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The Barlow Defence
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Featuring a scary clown, a sexy Six-Music Dad and critiques of toxic masculinity in lyrics.
It’s definitely the sort of thing you’ll like, if you like this sort of thing!
Consider, if you will…
- Reactions to Beefheart!
- Steve's new music choices!
- Lowbrow opinions about superheroes!
- The life of Joel!
Includes music by I Am Willbraham, Dr Coca-Cola McDonalds and MJ Hibbett as well as selected juvenilia by us.
Related audiovisual material has been teleported unwillingly onto the blog.
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Podcast artwork by Giles Woodward
Edited by Steve Woodward at PodcastingEditor.com
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Transcript
Introduction and Nostalgia
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I guess now it's time. For me to give up, I feel it's time. I've got a picture of you beside me.
00:00:12
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Got your lipstick marks still on your coffee cup. Oh yeah.
00:00:18
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Got a fist of pure emotion. Got a head of shattered dreams. Got to leave it. Got to leave it all behind now. Whatever I said, whatever I did.
00:00:31
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I didn't mean it. i just want you back for good. Fucking hell!
Podcast and Hosts Introduction
00:01:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to another episode of the This Our Johnny Domino podcast, wherein myself, Steve, and my brother Giles listen to songs that we have recorded or our friends have recorded over the years, and we talk about them and all of that kind of shit. And other music. And other stuff. And other stuff.
00:01:19
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And here we are again, episode number... Fucking hell. Who's that? dying That is from a spotted in Ilkiston group on Facebook.
00:01:29
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And it was a bloke getting caught up at an island because it's the ultimate Ilkiston type of saying canal. Yeah. So if you weren't aware, we're from a small town in the middle of the UK called Ilkiston.
00:01:48
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Yes, it is. Play it one more time. Fucking hell. Beautiful. Right. you Great lyrics. Great song. Did you enjoy it? What song was it, Stephen?
Exploring 'Back For Good' by Take That
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It was Back For Good by Take That.
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Yeah, it was. It's the Take That song that six music dads are okay to like. Yeah, I find it an interesting song. I heard it recently when I was at the gym yeah and that's when it got into my head. Yeah. And I was just thinking about the lyrics and analyzing them over-analyzing them a little bit, to be honest, actually.
00:02:19
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Toxic. And it's a very popular song amongst the ladies. Toxic. Whatever I did, whatever I said, didn't mean it. I didn't mean it. i mean, if I said that, I think, in fact, to be honest, I probably have said that sort of thing before in my very happy relationship with my long-term partner.
00:02:38
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Yeah. And she would say to me, you know, understandably, take some fucking responsibility for your actions, dude. Yeah. Or if you don't know... then there's no fucking hope for you. for but well it's a It's a very male lyric, isn't it? Whatever I say, where well I'm sorry for what whatever I did. Just stop going on.
00:03:01
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That's what it's saying, isn't it? That's what the whole song's saying. It's a great song. It's a great song, but Gary Barlow gets away with it, you see. Does he? With that level of toxic masculinity. has a massive hit.
00:03:14
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Yeah. With a sing-along song with his little friends. I certainly can't get away with that kind of shit. reckon people have used the Barlow defence? I'm sure lots of people have used the Barlow. It's failure. i loved I would imagine it is. Don't try using the Barlow defence around here, man.
00:03:31
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Whatever it is. God. I don't know. i' was pissed.
00:03:35
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Jesus. Here we go. Let's do it. Right. Yes. So we've got the song. We've got a song to play. Yes, we do. Yeah. And we're going all the way back. So we're going to listen to some very old primitive recording that you and I made.
00:03:49
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Yes.
Memories of Music Recording Days
00:03:50
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Many, many years ago. you're going to tell us what you year that was. Ooh, would have 1989. 1989. First year at college. I think it was between the gap, me leaving school, starting college, doing my A-levels and all of that shit.
00:04:07
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And it was a band we have played before. It's barely music. It's a band called The Usual Rosie. Yeah, the kids want to hear more. the Usual Rosie. Yeah. They're a very influential band on the Gen Z. Really? In my imagination, anyway.
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This is a song that we recorded at a studio, didn't we, Steve? We did. We recorded it at a place called the Canning Factory, which was in Nottingham on Canning Circus. It was an eight-track recording studio.
00:04:35
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ah just had a little bit of a listen to this song. It sounds like it was recorded... just like on a piece of shit recorder. It's unbelievable. It's such a bad recording. Nothing against Dave Chang. I think we should firmly hold our hands up about the fact that we were using a drum machine with one output.
00:04:52
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Long-haired, lovely Dave Chang, who was our engineer. Yeah. Lovely guy. Lovely guy. As I remember. Yeah. but And this song is me and you. I'm on the g guitar, I believe. You're playing the drum machine and the keyboard bass. Sweet keyboard bass. And then we've got the legend that is Mr.
Critique of 'Face Mask' by The Usual Rosie
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Andy Gillett on vocals. Yeah. and this is a song called... Face Mask.
00:05:39
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I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm sticking in the car. You in your happy place next, I'll check your list, dancing, I'll check your list, dancing, I won't hold like you today, going on.
00:06:11
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It sounds like it was recorded in a bog or something. Is it going to end soon? I don't know how much more can take this. Okay. Well, I mean, finest work song by R.E.M.
00:06:22
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Oh, yes. Obviously a key text.
00:06:28
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Andy is definitely emoting quite heavily, is his want.
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Are we going to talk over it? or I am talking over it. I am talking over it. And you're fading it slightly, i think. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. You all right? I just went down the wrong hole. Yeah. The usual ras Rosie did tend to go down the wrong hole.
00:06:52
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I think there's an element of first time in a recording studio going on. Explain, explain. Well, I think when you're in a band and you're practicing your bedroom or whatever, we were playing with a drum machine so we could practice pretty much anywhere ah without disturbing people, particularly unless people were actually listening to that piece of shit music. Make the voice.
00:07:11
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but But you sing in a different way and then you get a microphone, you sing through the microphone, then you get recording studio and you can really hear yourself. And you'd probably start singing it in a weird way.
00:07:22
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And I don't think Andy sang that song like that live. me It's a bit, it's kind of... and and the ah You know, the emotion, like you say, he's emoting quite heavily. I don't think he ever did that when we played live. No, it was more punk live, wasn't it? Well, a bit more.
00:07:39
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bit more punk. I mean, the thing about... I mean, yes, there's the finest works on guitar part, which is, you know, that's fine. There's the, for some reason, the keyboard bass sound it sounds like a bloody bass clarinet or something. I really like, that's the thing that I actually liked. If I had to pick one thing to take from that song as a good thing, I would say I like, I like that.
00:07:58
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i love that keyboard bass, man. I know you love that keyboard bass, but that sound, it's pumping along there. It's pumping along. Parping along. Parping along beautifully. So yeah, I enjoyed that.
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Was it too horrific? The drum machine thing. Tell us about some more about the drum. What do you feel about the drum machine thing? Well, it's it's it's very prescriptive. It's like... right um duckca tu du come but umm tum right at this point, right we had been playing in a band called Space Rat. It started off as me, you, and Andy.
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Then we got Jock in to play drums. And then Jock decided he didn't want to play anymore, so he left. So we formed the usual Rosie and with the three of us. So it went back to the original line. It's like the new originals. It's fucking Spinal Tap. So it's me, you, and Andy. We've covered this before. No.
00:08:48
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I'm not assuming that everyone is listening or cares about it. We're taking notes. Right? ah Yeah. Yeah. I still want you to do a rock family tree, but I'll leave that alone. um So, yeah, so you've got these three idiots and we decide we're going to play some of the Space Rats songs, but we're going to free ourselves from the tyranny of having a live drummer.
00:09:09
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okay by trying to And I just started getting into hip hop. So I thought, more I'm going to use the Boss DR220A to try and make some kind of hip hop beat. And that's the best I could do.
00:09:20
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And it's just... um dua tongue tu There's no dynamic to it. It's just horrible. It's okay.
00:09:31
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So we've not managed to unearth a diamond. Oh no. From our tape mount there, have we Steve? Yeah, and fair warning to listeners, if there is an element of the audience that wants to listen to more songs by the usual Rosie, we've got one of the studio song and then we're going to bedroom recordings and live recordings.
00:09:51
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So be careful what you wish for. Something to look forward to, isn't it?
00:09:57
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Not got much to say about the lyrics, really, because I didn't write them. But it sounds a little bit edgy. It's a bit emo. It's bit like about checking somebody's wrists and, you know, ah happy face mask and stuff. I checked your wrists and they aren't slit. I ran over a black cat today.
00:10:15
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ah know. I felt bad about that. I don't like hearing about animals getting hurt. No. I don't think that's a good thing to include in a song, really. Yeah. So that was that was quite shit.
00:10:27
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Jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle.
00:10:35
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jing ching gu chingoo ching gu ching The other week, I watched a program on the telly. It was all about 50 years of Saturday night live performances, musical performances.
00:10:50
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And it had some really good stuff on it. And it had something which I'd never seen before,
Musical Stories and Anecdotes
00:10:54
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which is performance by Captain Beefheart and his magic band. And the reason it was interesting is because they played it it was in 1980, and they played two songs, Ashtray Heart and Hothead.
00:11:06
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And when they finished their song, it was absolute silence in the studio, ah apart from the fact that somebody shouted shit at the top of their voice.
00:11:18
Speaker
yeah And that was the audience feedback for the captain. doing his great music. And it's a great performance. Actually, yeah. And and that's an unjustified review, I feel, of that performance. Because, you know, we'll put the clip on the show notes, which you really should visit.
00:11:35
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a Link in the podcast description. and And it's a really good Captain Beef art performance, actually. yeah And it's really it's quite a good song that I've not really heard before.
00:11:46
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and And then this voice just pipes up, you know, the end. It's kind just there, you know. And I think we should play a little bit of ending, and then perhaps we could put it the end of The Usual Rosie instead.
00:12:02
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Justified. We've got a justified usage of that particular review.
00:12:34
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yeah
00:12:43
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But do know any more about that situation? What would you describe it? shared that story with you. We had a bit of a chat. On a website called Captain Beefheart Radar Station, there's a section about it.
00:12:55
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And the person, according to the website, the person yelling shit at the end of the SNL performance was, and I'm probably going to say the name incorrectly, Radamus Perra.
00:13:06
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Okay? Okay. yeah the The once child actor who played grasshopper in the TV show Kung Fu. Crazy. He was disgusted with the Beefheart performance.
00:13:18
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It was evidently his first exposure to Don's music. And then... The Magic Band's drummer, Robert Williams, he also commented, i'm going to read his quote in full,
00:13:29
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after the show we went to an after show party at a bar in manhattan the cast including malcolm mcdowell john's rocket introduced me to raamus and we became friends ah gave him the beart sales pitch ah managed to convert him into a fan two days later we played a show ah the beacon theatre And when the union guys cut our show short, Radamus got on the microphone and tried to rile the audience with something like, hey, we're not going to take this, are we?
00:13:55
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so So he was a fan then. So he's converted. He's converted. He sounds like somebody who changes his mind. And I can respect that. Do you know I mean? Opinions are for changing, right?
00:14:08
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I can respect it with regards to Captain Beefheart. Because I bought, I bought Trout Mask Replica when I was working at Virgin Megastore, bought it and I listened to it and I took it back and I said, this is shit.
00:14:22
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Yeah. I bought again. Yeah. Classic. You know, imagine not the only person who's ever done that with that album. I can't imagine I am, but yeah, it was, it was an extreme reaction, but it's, it's an extreme album.
00:14:35
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It's extreme. It's pretty extreme. It is.
00:14:50
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We're making a podcast in the face of certain doom. We are this our Johnny Domino. We're making a podcast and we're playing our skill tunes.
00:15:02
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This is this our Johnny Domino. We're brothers, we wear glasses. We've got medical conditions.
00:15:13
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We've both been alive for a while.
00:15:20
Speaker
We're making a podcast in the face of certain doom. It's time for the Sajani Domino. Oh, something like that, anyway. I've not been doing very much recently because I've been busy at work as a teacher and we've had Osted in recently, so it's been pretty rubbish.
00:15:39
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I've written a poem about my job. Do you want to hear it? I'd love to hear ah poem about your job. A poem about my job. Please. Okay.
00:15:52
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It's called Who If Not I?
00:16:00
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In a barren land of anxious, barren, angry people who bear angry, anxious children, it's less about what I say at work and more about what I am and do.
00:16:13
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An alternate version, adult male, no stress head, no art teacher,
00:16:28
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Providing opportunities to do stuff. IRL. The graphite moves. Intrepid. And see, ideas come like weeds. You pull them out and more sprout up and more unravel.
00:16:44
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And just look, you can weave them into something new with lines and bits of shading. It's not boring. It's heroic.
00:16:56
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I teach them this and then I go home and clean up all my shit just like the rest of us. Yes, I do make a podcast. Yes, I spout and I'm divorced.
00:17:08
Speaker
Like most of us, I spend my free time enhanced of state and off my nut
Creative Endeavors and Poetry
00:17:15
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on fresh air and good food and the complexities of relationships and art and music and art.
00:17:23
Speaker
And I inhale it all emphatically. So when that dark Tuesday comes and the Ofsted bell knolls for me, rooted out for inconsistency and poor record keeping, what kind of people I will ask them, level voiced, what type of person?
00:17:50
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As I bring the hemlock to my lips, who, if not I, do you think will ever educate these children?
00:18:07
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Sorry, that was a bit of rapid background downloading. Beautiful. Thank you. The PRF Tribute Series. Hooray. We do need a jingle for this section of the podcast, don't Yes, we do. We do. We do.
00:18:19
Speaker
And after last episode, where we featured the lovely sound of Mr. Hench. Zach. Zach Hench. Of California. Of California. And we were pondering about what he had for his tea. Yeah.
00:18:32
Speaker
And he obviously is the Zeus of the PRF Tribute Series, the loose collective of musicians that... Each month put together an album of material as a tribute to a chosen artist.
00:18:47
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and It's a bit like a competition. We kind of like haven't won it yet. Steve's getting a little bit antsy about that. Yeah, I could give a shit. At some point, we hope to possibly win it and make a choice as to what the next artist will be. I've got so many good ideas, but you know is is it going to happen? Who knows?
00:19:08
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And yeah, is that good old Zach? Yeah. We did offer him to record a jingle for us, but he didn't want it, did he, Steve? He didn't want it to be a conflict of interests. Yeah. It would have been nice.
00:19:19
Speaker
Because he had a great voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm assuming he still does have a great voice. This month, the artist is Beyonce. And we have not recorded our song for this month's PRF monthly tribute series yet. No. But I'll tell you, a man who has. Oh, yes.
00:19:35
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It's Wilbraham. He's recorded a fabulous version ah the song and think he's given it his own little spin, hasn't he, Steve? He really has. I mean, it's a man in his late 40s saying the word sexy a lot.
00:19:51
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I think we need to hear it now. MUSIC PLAYS
00:20:05
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I love to love you baby I love to baby love to love you baby I love to love you baby love to love you baby I love to love you baby I love to love you baby I love love you baby love to love you baby I love to love you baby I'm feeling I want hear you say my name Girl, if you can reach me
00:20:35
Speaker
Feel
Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska Album Discussion
00:20:36
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my burning flame Baby, the minutes I feel your energy The vibe's just taking over me I start being so crazy babe Lately, I feel the funk coming over me don't know what's gotten into me The rhythm's got to be so crazy babe Tonight, I'll be your naughty boy I'm calling all boys We're gonna turn this party out I know you want my party Tonight I'll be a naughty boy I'm calling all my boys I see you put me up and down Now it makes party So sexy Tonight I am all yours Girl, the way your body
00:21:33
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Moves across the floor, girl Baby, the minutes I feel your energy The vibe is just taking over me I start feeling so crazy, babe Lately, I feel the fun coming over me I don't know what's got an enemy The rhythm's got me feeling so crazy, babe Tonight, I'll be naughty boy
00:22:02
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I'll have to love you baby I'll have to love you baby I'll have to love you baby I'll have to love you baby
00:22:34
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Tonight I'll be a naughty boy I'm calling all my boys We're gonna turn this party out I know you won't come tonight I'll be a naughty boy I'm calling all my boys I said you love me up and down And came to party Tonight I'll be a naughty boy
00:23:04
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Oh
00:23:19
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I think that is absolute quality. Okay, I've got a couple of points about that. Number one. Number one. I'm feeling something down there. Something's moving. You're thinking it's... Yeah, all right. It's getting me going. Oh, Jesus. It's getting me going.
00:23:34
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ah Number two, Wilburham needs to just lean into that reggaeton beat a bit more in his work. Yeah, it great. think this could be his new thing. I like the fact that the way he is the vocals overlap. Sometimes it sounds like instead of saying, i know you want my body, it sounds like he's saying, i know you want my body.
00:23:54
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It's a very, very sexy six music dad, isn't it? Yeah. or And I kind of, I could go with that. You know, it's working on many levels. It should win, to be honest.
00:24:07
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It should win. I really hope it does. I think there's only a small handful of entries so far. And i think as we're recording, there's four entries. And I just think he's done an absolutely cracking job there.
00:24:19
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It very much has. Well done. In terms of six music dads and stuff, there is a film coming out very soon, which I think is going to be of very much interest. We talked about this film before.
00:24:36
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The film Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere, which is coming out soon. Yeah, I'm quite excited about it. think it looks really interesting. I think music dads are, really. It took me a while to get into Springsteen. I didn't really like him very much for many years. And I've only really just got into the Nebraska album maybe a couple of years ago.
00:24:57
Speaker
it is i think it really is one of my favourite albums ever. Nebraska is a cracking album. and In a similar sort of way... to you know Back for Good by Take That is the Take That song. It's okay for six music dads to like.
00:25:11
Speaker
Nebraska is the Bruce Springsteen album that sort of like obscure lo-fi indie music wankers. It's okay for them to like. I think I like one and a half Bruce Springsteen albums.
00:25:22
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I like Nebraska and I like half of Born to Run. and Okay, cool. I think that's half more than I like. Yeah. And here we are on the Journey Domino podcast, and it's continuing our tradition of reviewing things that either people haven't seen yet, or we and we haven't actually seen it, have we, Steve? it ain't out yet. But maybe next episode we might be able to talk about it.
Studio Recording Insights and Film Excitement
00:25:42
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I think it would be a key thing for us to talk about, because it is a film about... Lo-fi home recording.
00:25:48
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Yeah, pretty much about a man who is depressed, and recording some music yeah in a bedroom yeah on a Tascam cassette deck recording, you know, four track. And that's it. That's what the film's about.
00:26:04
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Yeah. It's a TAAC 414 or something like that. And they actually, the actor, I can't remember the name of the character, but basically it's You do. His name's Jeremy Allen White. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the guy who recorded the album.
00:26:19
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Oh, I see. He's playing Springsteen, by the way, Jeremy Allen White. Bruce. He's playing Bruce. and But the other guy is playing... I'll slip it in.
00:26:32
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The album Nebraska was recorded in Colts Neck on a TEAC 144 Porter Studio by engineer Mike Batlan.
00:26:46
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And he had to learn how to operate four-track recorder for the film. And they had to source like as many original versions of that tape deck in as possible. And they they frequently stopped working literally while they were making the film.
00:27:04
Speaker
That's good for them. So, yeah. That's something that I never learned how to do. Yes, so they had to get the four-track recorder and Echoplex vocal effect thing, and then they had to effectively record it as if they were in the same room.
00:27:21
Speaker
yeah They were setting the room up in a similar way to how Bruce was doing it. so okay. Yeah, it's quite interesting, but yeah. Very geeky. Well, but in the same way that...
00:27:34
Speaker
The I Am Wilbraham but Beyonce song stirred something downstairs for you. All this talk about noise reduction and four track recording is stirring something. It's quite primal.
00:27:45
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Is it? Yeah. yeah you have a Yeah. Let's get visceral again. but I'm going to spill my guts all over the desk right now. Very much looking forward to seeing that soon.
00:27:57
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And maybe we could do a bit of a review of it next episode. Cool.
00:28:10
Speaker
It's the spooky season, Steve. you yeah The streets are getting darker. yes There are leaves blowing around on the pavement.
00:28:23
Speaker
That's not terrifying. getting cold. Again, not terrifying. The central heating is being turned on. It never gets turned on in your house.
00:28:35
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I know that for a fact. It's on now. Is it? We're eating soup. It's time to eat soup. And we're jumpers. Yes. it's that time of year where people get a little bit scared and a bit freaked out, isn't it? Because it's the Halloween.
00:28:51
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So we were we were thinking, what kind of a song could we play to mark this season that we're in? wonder if there's anything within our within our universe, does this our Johnny Domino universe, that would sum up how we feel.
00:29:07
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well And we had to really dig around, it we, Steve? But we found something, didn't we? We didn't really have to dig around. so We didn't have to dig around at all. We had to scrabble slightly. had to go, oh, yeah. We scratched the surface. Yeah.
00:29:19
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We moved a potted plant to one side. And we found the key. But we did have a thing. And previously, we've spoken about Derby legend Twinkie and the lead singer who went by the name of Moo.
00:29:33
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Real name, Paul. And after Twinkie, he, or actually alongside Twinkie, he was a performer who went by the name of Dr. Coca-Cola McDonald's.
00:29:46
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And Coca-Cola McDonald's recorded a song called, Here It Is, Halloween Brackets, Everyone Is Getting Scared, which is like the specificity, the specificity.
00:30:00
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i enjoy i like I like how specific he is in his wordage. Yeah, we like that. we like that Shall we hit that? Let's hit that. This is Dr. Coca-Cola McDonald's.
00:30:12
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i think this whole thing is a big joke. and i mean, look at whole thing is a
00:30:23
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big joke.
00:30:45
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Are you hanging up fluorescent skeletons upon your wall? Are you finding it's too early to be throwing a snowball? you're loving spooks and demons and think that is way too drastic, it's time to worship sugar and cheap items made of plastic.
00:31:06
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No!
00:31:11
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Bye.
00:31:28
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At the end the tenth month you start to get this dreadful fear Forget to buy the treats and the thirty-first air draws near You find your house invaded with the hungry lil snackers Pretending disappointed children with out-of-date crick-crackers
00:31:52
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When the office parters get slightly better
00:32:16
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to random birds. Exciting. Inviting.
00:32:27
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With lighting and writing Halloween is the tier of the holidays Halloween Except you don't get a day off work Halloween And you don't get one for butter night either
00:32:55
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Follow preservatives and additives. Halloween. Because today is preventative. Halloween.
00:33:06
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And I think this song is repetitive. Halloween. Halloween. Halloween.
00:33:17
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I think I've said this 14 times now.
00:33:21
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Halloween
00:33:46
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Quite a piece of work, I think you'll agree. that's beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah? did You were a but bit unsure, Steve, weren't you, going into that? so you But you enjoyed it, did you, that time? thoroughly enjoyed it.
00:33:57
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Did you? yeah Yeah. I want to know where the where the music came from. Well, it says on the credits on the Bandcamp page is All Instruments by Satan. and I don't specifically believe that.
00:34:09
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I think we need to take it literally. You think so? Well, it's that time of year, isn't it? Well, he is an evil clown, isn't he? Aren't all clowns.
00:34:17
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All clowns are evil, aren't they? I'm just trying to think now if there are any that aren't evil. They just look fucking evil, don't they? I can't think of any non-evil clowns. No. But yeah, that was cool. I think there was a lot in that soul.
00:34:31
Speaker
There's a lot of stuff. that I think he hit the nail on the head about the Halloween season. Yeah, spending 50 quid in B&M bargains is ah it is a great thing. You can buy a lot of crap, can't you, if you wanted to? I mean, I can't imagine how much shit you would get if you spent 50 quid in being in bargains. you Not that much, to be honest, these days. oh But you could put a few things around your house, yeah you know on your front doorstep and that, and have an inflatable zombie or something.
00:35:00
Speaker
yeah Yeah, that's Halloween. Ooh, scary. Hello, this is Turkey Paul and I love listening to the This R Johnny Domino podcast.
Johnny Domino's Music Tradition
00:35:14
Speaker
Ben je, dunjanin en gazelle podcast laran dan birisi. May, finally. But, you know, this podcast is called This Are Johnny Domino.
00:35:26
Speaker
And originally we wanted to talk about songs recorded by Johnny Domino. So for tradition's sake, let's have a Johnny Domino song. Let's do it. This was recorded on four track in the winter of...
00:35:40
Speaker
1993 into 1994. So Christmas, 1993. Were we a bit depressed? I'm not particularly sure. ah think it's safe to say that our faces were set to Poe.
00:35:54
Speaker
for this But, you know, i think we are sometimes too hard on ourselves for the Pope-faced music that we have recorded in the past. And we both like listening to stuff which takes itself quite seriously.
00:36:06
Speaker
a so I don't really remember this song at all. This is going to be a genuine first-time hearing reaction. All I know there is Rob Long.
00:42:19
Speaker
I maintain it's pretty good. i think it's pretty good. You know, it's got that motric thing that we try to do a lot e in in all of the Johnny Domino recordings. and You're playing bass, I'm doing a guitar.
00:42:33
Speaker
yeah and It's got some, i like the little bits of dialogue. we used to do We didn't do that often enough, I don't think. We only did it in the first couple of periods of the band. Yeah, that's good. It's all right. You know, it's like we've got a drum machine and we're going to use it.
00:42:49
Speaker
But very, and and very minimally. Yeah, but, you know, we didn't really overdo the drum machine programming. Let's get think back to the usual Rosie. It's definitely better. I think it's definitely a better example of the use of drum machine than the usual Rosie previously mentioned.
00:43:05
Speaker
Yeah. And long-time listeners of the podcast may recognize this sound. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Which was ah used liberally throughout that song, which was called, I don't know if we actually said the title, it was called Square Hole. It's just one of those titles we probably just, I know there's a reference to it in the lyrics, but I don't know what you're on about.
00:43:27
Speaker
I don't really. What age were we when we recorded that? Oh, well, we're talking 93. I would have been 20. You would have just turned 23.
00:43:38
Speaker
Jesus. oh jesus I was 20, you were 23. That's probably something to do with sex or something. I don't really want to think about that. I'll be honest. Has that put you off the song? No, it's just put me off talking to you.
00:43:54
Speaker
But he's but ah look, so I don't mean to do that. I don't mean to do that. I don't want to put you off talking to me or the song. I don't think that song is like the greatest thing we ever did. It's not sex it's not as sexy as Wilburon.
00:44:08
Speaker
well Well, you know, so few things are... Not in the same way. No. First time i've listened to it for many decades. Yeah, i quite like the way we leaned into like the... the The repetition. The machine thing and the repetition, yeah.
00:44:23
Speaker
It was all right, actually. There you go. It kind of made me think we could have done more of that sort of stuff. Well, we did do a lot of that sort of stuff. Well, not really. like the fact that i had quite a lot of space in it. Yeah.
00:44:34
Speaker
The thing that I don't like about it is my my contribution, really, apart from the bass play. yeah' I don't really, i think the lyrics are a bit, and I think we, you know,
00:44:45
Speaker
I think it's, if we ever, re if you ever run out bits of music to record, just do that one again. Yeah. And I'll put some different lyrics to it. I think, you know, that'd be all right.
00:44:56
Speaker
I think that would work. The lyrics are fine. No, no, no, no. No one listens to them anyway. No, no, no, no. Well, i I think people do. I know you, maybe you don't, but there are people out there that are kind of heavy on the lyrics. You see, I just think lyrics are the bits between the guitar solos. Yeah, well, that, you know.
00:45:12
Speaker
the That's probably me that more than you. Yeah. I mean, think about it. You know, bruce if you're into Bruce Springsteen, you're really into the lyrics, aren't you? You know, you really listen to them. Even the bits where you can't really understand what the hell he's singing. Yeah.
00:45:28
Speaker
So yeah, I think words, I'm a bit of a wordsmith. I don't like the words on that. but mother My 23-year-old self kind of could have done better on the lyrics there, but I would give a B plus for the music, definitely. Yeah.
00:45:44
Speaker
Cool. If I was going to mark it, I quite enjoy it. Excellent. I think it's got potential to be redone, actually. mean it, Steve. I think you could redo that music. If we ever run out of ideas. It may have already happened. Who knows?
00:45:56
Speaker
ah remember cruel people ah mean We were going to talk. Oh, you know what? Yeah. yeah In this podcast, we do talk about a lot of old music, don't we, Steve? We do. We do tend to focus on the old music. On the old music.
00:46:13
Speaker
So I did sort of set you a little bit of a task the other day. Yes. Of thinking about some new music that you could recommend.
Current Music Recommendations
00:46:22
Speaker
So do you want to just hit us off with something that you've been listening to recently that is 2025?
00:46:27
Speaker
2025. I've got...
00:46:30
Speaker
ah got ah what think I've ah've bought like nine albums this year, new records. i don't I've been trying to wean myself off buying back catalogue stuff.
00:46:43
Speaker
And I don't like, I know everyone does it where you buy multiple copies of the same album. You know, if you've had it on vinyl, then you were tricked into buying it on CD and then you sold your vinyl and then it's come out on vinyl again. So you buy it on vinyl again.
00:46:56
Speaker
um' I'm trying to stop do that stop doing that. so it might might buy the new Nebraska though that's coming out. Are you going to buy the whole box set? want to hear the electric one. Yeah, well, that is what you know streaming is for, isn't it? It's not right. Maybe convince me not to by telling me about some new music that I should spend my money on instead.
00:47:16
Speaker
Okay. Go. Go. Okay, well, I'll tell you about my favorite albums so far from this year. There's an album called Gollywog by Billy Woods. Billy Woods is a kind of an abstract rapper that is almost in some ways a spoken word performer.
00:47:32
Speaker
And the music is kind of horrorcore rap, but instead of being about sex and violence, it's about kind of nightmarish visions of the past and nightmarish visions of the present day with a particular emphasis on the experience of black Americans.
00:47:50
Speaker
It's proper disturbing, but it's it's a great, great album. And that's from this year. That's dark. It's pretty dark though, right? Oh, fucking dark. Really dark.
00:48:00
Speaker
ah Got something a bit lighter. i mean, I'm a big fan of the New Eves and their album, The New Eve Is Rising. That's a great album. I read a review where it said it's almost like the John Cale era, Velvet Underground, doing a new score for The Wicker Man.
00:48:18
Speaker
and It's kind of like witchy, folky music. But it's got a bit of a post-punk sound to it as well. A new band, right? Yeah, yes. UK-based. Yeah, new UK band.
00:48:29
Speaker
And the New Eves and the album The New Eve Is Rising is a really, really great album. Do they wear exclusively white clothes? That's just on... is that Is this just my imagination? No, that's on the cover. I've just got a mental image of white women in white clothes, young women in white clothes with lots of red splattered it. Horrific looking.
00:48:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, but they're kind of leaning into this, you know, it's It's lyrically, it's very cool as well because they're talking about women rising up against the patriarchy.
00:49:01
Speaker
And it's... We're all for that. I think that's a really good album. I think another album I like, they're not quite a brand new band. um But the second Horse Girl album called Phonetics On and On is in a similar sort of post-punk kind of vibe.
00:49:18
Speaker
And that's one of my favorite albums from this year. What else got recently? I've got the band called Wednesday. They've got an album called Bleeds, which is... sort of lo-fi, pavement-esque country album with some really weird guitar parts on it.
00:49:36
Speaker
is Unfortunately, there's one or two songs where the vocals get a little bit histrionic, but if you can miss those bits out, there's some really great songs on it.
00:49:46
Speaker
here Recently, there's a band called the Bel Air Lip Balms. That was easy for you to say. They're an Australian band, and... They've got that sort of thing that Australian bands have got where they've seem they can write really great guitar songs.
00:50:04
Speaker
Think about Rolling Coastal, Blackout, whatever they're fucking called. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool from a few years ago. I think one of their member produced their album. I haven't got this album, but what I've heard has been really good.
00:50:16
Speaker
And one other the band. him There's a Japanese band called Haku, and they are a four-piece band. indie band you and they're kind of like I'm a big fan of the band Always spelt Oliver Vays and they're kind of the Japanese version of Oliver Vays and I really like them what I've heard i don't think you can buy their stuff certainly in this country and I've only heard them on streaming sites and YouTube and things like that but yeah four piece girl band
00:50:52
Speaker
Sound like always. Hack it Be happy. Well, good stuff. Check out the show notes and go to episode page and there will be some links there to some of that music Steve's been talking about. Yeah, but you know, your mileage may vary. You may not appreciate it, but you know, there is some stuff out there, but just don't look for it on Jules Holland.
00:51:12
Speaker
All right. Well, I appreciate it Thank you very much. Can i just say thank you very much, Steve, for your ah new music recommendations. More than happy to do more research. And next episode, I will do some.
00:51:25
Speaker
I'll put some together. Definitely. Next, we are going to talk about a song by Mr.
Superhero Characters and Cultural Analysis
00:51:34
Speaker
MJ Hibbert.
00:51:36
Speaker
I need you to tee this one up for me because, as I mentioned to you, I've got this song. I haven't listened to it, so I'm going in...
00:51:46
Speaker
raw gaing You're going in, yeah is it called raw dogging? I'm raw dogging MJ Hibbert. this age for you All right. Okay. Data and Dr. Doom is the new live show in which indie legend MJ Hibbert, PhD, he likes to remind about that. He does. The world's leading and only academic expert on Dr. Doom tells you all you need to know about the MCU's next big baddie.
00:52:11
Speaker
So that's exciting, isn't it? Yeah. If you go on his website, you'll find out where he's performing this new live show. And we're going to play a song from his new work, which combines the majesty of rock with incredibly geeky knowledge about comics.
00:52:31
Speaker
And it's called Batman But Better.
00:52:41
Speaker
When Bruce Wayne's parents both got killed, they left him loads of cash, which he spent on gadgets, armoured cars, and dressing up like a bat. By day he plays a playboy, but when night time falls at last, he tries to exercise his pain by being of the working class.
00:52:57
Speaker
And if that sounds exactly like what rich people would do, Then I've another character to introduce to you. He's like Batman but better. He's Bruce Wayne rectified.
00:53:10
Speaker
He's Doctor Doom and I'm telling you, he's Batman but the right, Batman the right.
00:53:18
Speaker
When Victor Bondu's mum and dad were murdered by the state He swore an oath to take revenge and make all mankind pay He fought the aristocracy and overthrew their rules He governed for the people and was generally quite cool He wiped out crime and poverty, made his nation safe And all his subjects had to do was utterly obey And he's like Batman but better, he's Bruce Wayne rectified He's Doctor Doom and I'm telling you, he's Batman but done right, Batman done right.
00:53:56
Speaker
So are Bruce Wayne's pretending that he wants to insult to girls. Think Bondoom's defending Liberia from a whole wide world. And while Batman has his demons, Doctor Doom does as well.
00:54:08
Speaker
Except his demons are literally demons and they're torturing his mother in hell.
00:54:34
Speaker
And Like Batman, but better about the benign dictator that is Doctor Doom, apparently. i don't really know that much about Doctor Doom. I feel like I didn't. Now I feel I had a lecture about Doctor Doom. Yes, and I know a lot more about him.
00:54:53
Speaker
i didn't I don't think I'd really close read those Marvel comics that much. you know I definitely used to read them. and I remember Doctor Doom. I remember the look of him with his metal face and stuff.
00:55:04
Speaker
Yeah. But I didn't really get into the subtext of it all. I never used to be able to get like Marvel comics regularly. Like the newsagent only ever had like odd ones.
00:55:16
Speaker
you know what I mean? And I used to like buy the odd one and read it. I never kind of like followed the arc of stories particularly. No. But you know, Hibbert did, obviously. He's a doctor of it now, isn't he?
00:55:28
Speaker
he's He's a Doctor Doom himself. He is a Doctor of Doom. And yeah it's his new live show out there talking about Doctor Doom. Did you enjoy the song, Steve?
00:55:40
Speaker
I did. it felt like I was at a lecture about Doctor Doom. He's getting a lot of information across, isn't he? There's a lot of information in those lyrics. i've got I've got the lyrics up while I was listening to it.
00:55:51
Speaker
I'm a big fan of Bruce Wayne. And I thought, are you? Yeah, i'm big fan of Batman. You see, that's what I think. he's His thesis is that Batman was a bit of twat. Well, obviously he's bit a twat. You know, he's a vigilante.
00:56:06
Speaker
And he needs some psychotherapy. Yeah, and he's like, you know, he's obviously this kind of very rich, very privileged sort of guy who's beating up the working class.
00:56:20
Speaker
But, you know, think about Iron Man. He's a dickhead with too much money. True. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably basing it more on the cinematic universe because like you, I didn't read that many Marvel comics. I was more of a DC sort of person.
00:56:36
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. Well, they all work for the government, man. then I mean, you know, basically like Superman and, you know, they're Superman at all. Yeah. that is I don't like Superman at all. He's a company man.
00:56:49
Speaker
More about Batman with his issues. Just like smacking people around. There you go. But if you want to find out more about Dr. Doom, check out MJ Hibbert's Data and Dr. Doom.
00:57:02
Speaker
Yes. Link in the show notes.
00:57:06
Speaker
Wow. So we've got to the end of another episode of the This Our Johnny Domino podcast. You like to think so? Well, we have got to the end of it. We have nothing else to speak about. So I'm going to start wrapping things up and say thank you so much for listening to the podcast.
00:57:23
Speaker
If you're enjoying the Johnny Domino podcast, please share it with a friend. Oh, but hold on a second, because I've got... that you but da pa bob pasta papa Hold on a second there, buddy. What? Hold on there.
00:57:34
Speaker
What? What? What is this? I never do this. What? You know when we win the PRF and tribute series, right? I'm going to make a case for Billy Joel because I really want to cover a song. I really want to cover For the Longest Time by Billy Joel. Oh. Yeah.
00:57:53
Speaker
Can I explain why? You're going to need to go for I've got to move a thesis about it, to be honest. Is it toxic in the way that tape that is? It's on multiple pieces of paper. Go. Okay, right.
00:58:03
Speaker
For the longest time, it's from Billy Joel's ninth studio album, 1983, An Innocent Man. A concept album on the cover of which Billy Joel is looking very innocent.
00:58:17
Speaker
Yes. Check out the picture. He looks like a very innocent man. And it was called it was recorded as he was newly divorced from his first wife, Elizabeth Webber. He was a single rock star, big guy on the music scene, had the opportunity to get a little bump and grind with some supermodels.
00:58:35
Speaker
At the quote of the time that he did say, I kind of felt like a teenager again. That's what he said. All right. Good old Billy. And he was nominated for a Grammy.
00:58:46
Speaker
Unfortunately, it was up against its Thriller at the time. So he did not win. and Okay. His former wife and business manager, Elizabeth Webber, of nine years, ended the marriage while he was in hospital, in bed in hospital, recovering from a near fatal crash.
00:59:02
Speaker
Their marriage had sort of gone down the tube because he was touring, touring, touring, working, and probably, you know, sleeping with a few supermodels and definitely functioning on a lot of drugs and alcohol.
00:59:16
Speaker
Yes. And i imagine he was quite difficult to be married to, possibly. Yeah. And he was driving around on motorcycles while he was, a you know, on drugs and et cetera. Yeah.
00:59:27
Speaker
And then he had an accident and then she basically finished the marriage while he was in bed with his like his arms in casts and things like that.
Billy Joel's Life and Music
00:59:36
Speaker
And I've been digging deep into Billy Joel's. he had He's had four wives.
00:59:41
Speaker
Has he? Yeah, yeah. His second wife, Christy Brinkley. Yeah, yeah know yeah. We know about her, right? She eventually divorced him after an incident where Joel accused his band of eating pasta that he had already consumed himself.
00:59:58
Speaker
What? Well, he was at the bottom of a few drinks, I imagine. What? i want and i said you you cut He got a bit angry with his band because he was saying that they'd eaten the pasta.
01:00:09
Speaker
He'd already eaten the pasta himself. Oh, right. Okay. Sorry. i i've That was such a weird sentence. I think I was, yeah, don't even want to go. So that made him get divorced.
01:00:21
Speaker
Why? yeah that was his second one. That's Christy Brinkley. But why who who who was Zooming Did she end it because he was so far gone? Because he was too far gone. Okay, that's He was accusing people of eating pasta that he'd already eaten.
01:00:36
Speaker
He looks like he eats a lot pasta. Third wife, Katie Lee. Okay. he was She was 23. 32 years age difference. She's a dirty boy. Age gap slash alcoholism were cited as reasons for that divorce when that one ended. Okay.
01:00:52
Speaker
And number four, Alexis Redrick, a former equestrian and executive of Morgan Stanley. She obviously knows a lot about money, this lady. Okay. She's 33 years younger than Billy Joel.
01:01:10
Speaker
Okay. He was 65 when they got married. They are still married, according to Wikipedia. Apparently, yeah. So he's been on a bit of a journey, we could say. Paved with beautiful ladies. Definitely, definitely.
01:01:25
Speaker
But the song, let me get to the point, the song, The Longest Time. Just give me a second. I just need to get the lyrics up. If you said goodbye to me tonight, there would still be music left write. Read the first verse. I'm not reading the words. I've got them in my head.
01:01:41
Speaker
Do the first verse. Okay. If get it wrong, if you said goodbye to me tonight, there would still be music left to write. What else would I do? I'm so inspired by you. I haven't felt it for the longest time. Is that right? it hasn't happened for the longest rightco So that in that verse, you see, let's get into these. li I'm going to dig into these lyrics. Let's dig it. He's been somewhere, right? He's been somewhere, but he's back.
01:02:03
Speaker
yeah and he's he's said And this song almost sounds, he's got that kind of like do what kind of thing. Yes. He's getting back into the 50s. He's finding his roots and he's been found again.
01:02:14
Speaker
you I He's found a supermodel that likes him. right Then I'll tell you what, the bit that really like is the this kind of, a do you remember? There's like a middle bit, which has got a minor chord shift.
01:02:27
Speaker
He goes like, maybe this won't last very long. But you feel so right and I could be wrong. Maybe I've been hoping too hard, but I've gone this far.
01:02:38
Speaker
And it's more than i have hoped for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he goes, more than i hope, goes back up again. More than I hope for. I love that bit. He goes down. He goes down. Oh, down, dark.
01:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, maybe this one. He could go back up again. He's playing with our mood, man. He's great. He's the master, this guy. Right. And then it gets into a more philosophical note talking about mortality.
01:03:03
Speaker
Yeah. and
01:03:07
Speaker
He goes, who knows how much further we'll go on. You know, he's thinking about reality, life, you know. Yeah. The very existence. Maybe I'll be sorry when you're gone.
01:03:20
Speaker
I'll take my chances. I forgot how nice romance is. love that rhyme there. wild I haven't been there for the longest time. i would say though, though that you know say it writing a song about the longest time yeah is more realistic than saying forever.
01:03:36
Speaker
Yeah. I think when you say forever in a song, that's, you know, but for the longest time. In Billy's case, the longest time is not that long, apparently. It's couple of years, isn't it?
01:03:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do really think it's a great song, but then on the final verse... He kind of really fucks it up and it turns into a load of smaltzy nonsense in my view, to be honest.
01:03:58
Speaker
Let me read it to you. Right. I had second thoughts at the start. I said to myself, hold on to your heart. This line I hate.
01:04:09
Speaker
Now I know the woman that you are. You're wonderful so far. So far. It's more than i hoped for. Oh, Billy. Oh, Billy, Billy, Billy. Oh, Billy. No, I mean, it's it's treading the Beach Boys God Only Knows thing, isn't it?
01:04:28
Speaker
I may not always love you, but as long as there are stars above you, you know, it's kind of, it's supposed to be ah more realistic portrayal of romantic love if you're a fucking rock star musician who's going to be nobbing all over the world.
Lyrical Themes and Podcast Conclusion
01:04:41
Speaker
Check us out. We're digging up more lyrical toxic masculinity. It's going right back to the beginning of the episode, you see, Steve. It's like as if we planned it. I'm just looking at the Wikipedia. Apparently he does all of the lead and backing vocals. It's all Billy.
01:04:56
Speaker
I maintain it's a great piece of work. I think he's quite a piece of work. Final verse. I don't care what consequence it brings. I have been a fool for lesser things.
01:05:08
Speaker
Haven't we all, Billy? Haven't we all? He's been a fool for lesser things. Okay. Lesser things. Yeah. He's done, you know, done some shit.
01:05:20
Speaker
you know what I mean anyway go and listen to that song I maintain it's a great song and if we ever win the PRF tribute series I'm making a hard sell that I want to do that song what regardless of who we choose We could just whatever. In fact, let's just do that song and make it fit with the next artist. Let's do it for Beyonce month.
01:05:41
Speaker
Let's do it. Maybe they've met. Maybe they've met. yeah know Let's do that song for Beyonce. Let's find a link. Let's find a link. We could do it with Beyonce backing track.
01:05:52
Speaker
Look, it's a good idea. it's It's an idea, certainly. Have you had enough talking to me now? I've worn you Well, you know. No, look, it's been thoroughly enjoyable.
01:06:04
Speaker
It's been thoroughly enjoyable. But William Martin Joel, five foot eight inches, he's got the fucking Napoleon syndrome, hasn't he? Short man syndrome. love the guy. He wrote some great songs. I know that you would want to do scenes from an Italian restaurant if it would ever be Joel month. I think he's got better songs.
01:06:20
Speaker
You know where I first heard scenes from an Italian restaurant? Yeah. In an Italian restaurant.
01:06:28
Speaker
So we're going to say goodbye. We're going to say, please listen again next time we we put one out. I hope you enjoyed it. and If you could please recommend it to at least one person that you think might like this kind of shit, that would be amazing.
01:06:41
Speaker
Thank you very much. We love you. And we'll speak to you soon. Get in touch, you bastards.
01:06:51
Speaker
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