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It's Lynchian
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This episode of This Are Johnny Domino swings in a surrealistic, experimental way as Steve and Giles explore more aspects of their musical past, present and future.
There are atmospheric vibes from the "miserable" album and a rough-hewn demo inspired by a bunch of fleshy muppets. As well as that, Dr Mark Hibbert and family provide their musings on our shared emotional reality and lived experience…
…to the sound of a relentlessly bouncing ball...
Also featuring:
- Eraserhead hairstyle!
- Vibraphone mashup!
- Engagement opportunities!
- Book recommendations!
Related audiovisual material is available on the This Are Johnny Domino blog.
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Podcast artwork by Giles Woodward
Edited by Steve Woodward at PodcastingEditor.com
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Transcript
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Tribute to David Lynch's Artistic Influence
00:01:30
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Welcome to the This R Johnny Domino podcast. Feel strange saying it again because we said it quite clearly at the start. That was our tribute to the late, great David Lynch.
00:01:43
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it's a bit late all the other podcasts have done it like a week and a half two weeks ago but there you go that's how we roll they don't have proper jobs yeah and i really did i really did enjoy your uh altered intro there steve thank you very very nice very nice you did a good job on that yeah i don't really understand how you did it but it's it's very good i just re-recorded it Wow. It wasn't a remix. Wow. It was a re... double or something. It was beautiful, man. Thank you. It was beautiful. But yeah, David Lynch.
00:02:18
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possibly the greatest living artist that we had, he's gone. And his work, it was like the antithesis really, to the 12 second detention span, doing it for likes kind of vibe that we are living in at the moment. And, you know, it's sad. It is sad. The thing is, I mean, lots of people have written their tributes and done their tributes and all that kind of stuff. But The only thing I i want to say is the fact that once you start getting into David Lynch, the world looks different. And that's there's not many people who you can kind of say that about. you know yeah you so You start thinking things look a bit weird or sinister. It might be a changing traffic light.
00:03:05
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and all of a sudden that takes on this kind of very sinister overtone. Or, you know, if someone's, people just doing weird dances in high schools for no apparent reason. I go through days which um I wake up in a bit of a David Lynch kind of mood and everything seems to be that way. It does happen occasionally. Yeah. But it's a bit sad that we're not going to see any more of his stuff. and then All the stuff that was on the internet, all of his little speeches of of his philosophy of life and all that, that was all great. and you know He just seemed like a great guy and he had good hair. Great hair. Do you know what I mean? He had great hair for an old guy with great hair. Let's let's you know let's just praise that for a moment.
00:03:47
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I think I was influenced by David Lynch before I'd even seen a David Lynch film because I remember seeing the Eraserhead t-shirt and I had my hair like that. I had my hair like that in Eraserhead. You did. that I still want you to get your hair back like that, but you keep resisting. I think you could grow it high against it. Man, I'm tall enough. But come on, on you it was a good look. yeah It's a bit like, you know, it was like either a razor head or the guy from third base, whose name I can't remember.
Music Rivalries and Lynchian Influences
00:04:19
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ah Prime Minister Pete Nice. Oh, that guy, yeah.
00:04:24
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For the remainder of this short conversation about Def Jam Records signings of the late 80s, early 90s third base, please replace the words Prime Minister Pete Nice with MC Search. That's MC Search, not Prime Minister Pete Nice. You're kind of going in that vibe as well. You know, Prime Minister Pete Nice, he is the subject of the Beastie Boys song, Professor Booty.
00:04:54
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I did not know that. Yeah, because he, he auditioned to join the Beastie Boys. Yeah. But he was too busy dancing with his baggy pants. So there's all these, all these lines about dancing around just like you Janet Jackson. And I think by the time they recorded that song, third base, sorry, this is tangent time, third base has released the album, the Cactus album, and there's a song called Sons of Third Base, which is talking about how much they hate the Beastie Boys.
00:05:24
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So the oh there was a bit of a, there was a bit of ah a war, a rap war going on. Lowkey beef. Lowkey beef. Oh, between the, the sort of. Oh, there was a white boy. right but The white guys, we just needed, it was probably a couple of, was it a couple of years before or after Vanilla Ice? We just needed him to get involved, didn't we really? Then it would all have kicked off.
00:05:46
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stop, collaborate and listen. but Anyway, let's go. okay um Yeah, David Lynch. david lynch um We're going to do what we normally do and we're going to listen to some of our stuff. But the first song that we've chosen today has possibly, I think, a bit of a Lynchian vibe, don't you think? and We've mentioned in the past one of the things We did a lot on our recordings. We had a bit of a thing for the vibraphone sound, the echoing vibraphone sound, usually from the Casio Caesar 3000. All the keyboards are available. And this is thankfully. Thankful. Thank God for that. Because it was, you know, it was all right. Not that good. Yeah. Look, it did us proud.
00:06:34
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Yeah, the vibraphone sound is in heavy rotation around domino towers. And we've done, we've talked about it on a lot of previous episodes.
Johnny Domino's Music and Philosophical Reflections
00:06:45
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Insert medley of Johnny Domino songs with vibraphone. What have you made a medley? Not yet. Right. I'm going to imagine a medley. Hold on.
00:07:33
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Wow. That was vibey. Wow, Bob. Wow. That was vibey. And I was trying desperately to think of if there were any more that we hadn't spoken about. And I remembered there's one from Johnny Domino's third album.
00:07:48
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the album called The First 100 Years, which of all of our seldom heard albums is the most seldom heard or the least heard. Possibly because it's possibly the most miserable album we did, I think. I suppose some people think that but a lot of them are quite miserable.
00:08:08
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But i we lent into it. Yeah, OK. But I think this is the most miserable album. And this is a track that I think is a little bit lynching. It's fairly stripped down. it's It's called It's Not My Night. And it sounds it's kind of got a slightly mellow sound, but it's also a bit like on edge. So in that way, I think that's quite lynching, isn't it? If you think about it and the keyboards obviously are a bit vibraphony.
00:08:38
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I think, and see what you think, listeners, I think this song would be amazing if Julie Cruz was singing it, ah rather than a sort of grumpy art technician who doesn't really have the pipes. But it's a suspension of disbelief. You are, you know, proven to be people with a good imagination because you listen to this podcast. So ah see what you think. Imagine it playing at the Roadhouse.
00:09:22
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I don't think it's you singing on it. It's not Jim.
00:09:29
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I think it's me.
00:09:52
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That's both of us. Yeah I know but Jim's doing the lead.
00:10:22
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It's not my night
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we
00:14:01
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Can I just say something? Of course, that was... of but but No, you can't. Of course, that was the the big Jay C, Jim Connery, singing on that. But I do feel he was ah inhabiting a grumpy art technician in his performance. In a way, it's very similar to the film Lost Highway, in that you know there are two actors playing the same character. Exactly. no That's...
00:14:30
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Who's the dreamer? Who's the dream? Yeah, indeed. Maybe we're stretching this a little bit too far. No, but it is singing in lyrics that I wrote and, yeah, does it a great job of it. Yeah. I like that. I thought that was good. It's a long time since I've listened to that, Steve. Yeah. The one thing I wanted to say that you wouldn't let me speak is I wanted to point out the fact that I think I'm playing the vibraphone sound.
00:14:55
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And you're obviously standing next to me because any time you've got anywhere near a keyboard, you used to do the Latino piano house thing. So at the end of it, it goes, boom, boom, ching, boom, boom, ching, ching. That's you. That's you. That's my signature move. It's your signature move on the keyboard. It still is. It still is. And that's why I am think I press the modulation.
00:15:17
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to make you stop. I think most of the noises, I've just been doing a little bit of mid recording research with Mark Elston of the Johnny Domino band. Hi there, Mark. Remember, Mark had this like a little synth without a keyboard that was designed for drummers where you could hit it. And we used to just yeah eat the crap out of it.
00:15:37
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And I'll ask you what it was. Yeah, it was called a Coron DS7. He said, I sold it along with other stuff when I panicked about all that gear, a small house and a second baby on the way. So yes, when the second kid was on the way, it all went. You had to get rid of his Coron. The Coron DS7.
00:15:56
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Interesting bit of kit, wasn't it? It was just mad. It was like uncontrollable, but it was kind of fun. I think it was all played on that. Probably Elston will completely contradict me and say it was all on his Korg MS-10. I think it was.
00:16:10
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Yeah. I remember we practice up those songs quite a lot. I've got mini discs full of us playing that in my old bedroom, like week in week out. I'm not entirely sure who's playing bass on it. I don't know. It's an interesting thing. Observation. We practice those songs all like crazy for months and months. And we never ever never ever played that live, did we? Never. We never ever even attempted to play that live. And it wouldn't be quite good, I think. But there you go.
00:16:40
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Yeah. At the time that we were practicing those songs, I think there was a two year period when we did a gig a year and that was it. We could have played that song at one of them. We thought so. But, you know, as we we tended to do, we kind of went like that's done next. I think people do that, but maybe we shouldn't have. No.
00:17:02
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Anyway, it's a song about the complexity of human relationships. It's not exactly Dostoevsky, but I think it's about combative relations around a restaurant table or a pub. Do you know what I mean? It's kind of like when you go out for a bit of a night out and there's a bit of a subtext to what's going on. Or is that just me? No, no. Sorry, you're intriguing me now. I don't know what that's about.
00:17:30
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Yeah, well, it's not about anything specific, but it's about that kind of thing, you know, yeah where you go out and it's everybody on the surface, everything's like, all right, but there's a subtext going on underneath it. And there's a cockfight going on. There's that kind of vibe. I keep saying the word vibe today. Next time I say the word vibe, you need to put some sort of alarm bell on or oh ah bleep it like you did last episode. That was really good, the bleeping. a lot You like the bleeping, didn't you?
00:17:57
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a
00:18:03
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Another thing we were talking about last episode was an engagemento, no kikai, ah about product placement, writing a song which is blatantly about a product or a service that you endorse. and We floated the idea that it would be cool to you know write some songs. We'd mentioned like Costa or I'm a big fan of Ribena, as I keep saying. yeah still aren't calling are they like it's no and it's all about accessing that sweet sweet marketing dollar which you know why not so we're working up at this very moment well not this very moment but at the moment we are working on our own ah exciting product placement song that hopefully we might premiere next episode but you know
00:18:50
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If it would be cool if someone else maybe picked up the guitar and had a go, you know, yeah think think about something that you that you use on a day-to-day basis that is worthy of a song. Yeah, so, you know, grab your instruments, Dad. Yes, grab your instruments, Dad. Yeah. I wasn't sure about the Johnny Domino podcast, but I gave it a chance and now I think I love it.
00:19:18
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I thought of another opportunity to participate in the Audencia. I've got one wrong actually. Anyway, I'm going to stop doing that. The Japanese one went really well, but yeah, okay. Anyway, another engagement opportunity.
00:19:36
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We're going to need a jingle for a new feature on the podcast. I haven't told you about this, Steve, but okay with we but yeah you'll know where I'm going with it. So we need a jingle for the feature called On the Derby Scene. And I'm imagining a tune similar to Cliff Richards in you know in the country. You're going to find me. You know that one, right? A bit of a minor verse into a Major chorus and you know probably someone called something like mark or een might do quite a good job of it i think but you know what i mean that kind of thing yeah strumming a strumming song a strumming song on the darby scene.
00:20:19
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I reckon someone could do it. Anyway, that's going to be a new feature on the Derby scene. I think the next song that we're going to play could actually be one of those songs, actually. It kind of relates to that, don't it, Steve? Don't it, don't it Steve? Aye, aye. I don't know. um ah are We could go in for the same song. What song are you going for? I thought we were going for Jane and John. On the Derby Seed. Who sings it?
00:20:48
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Mark Hibbert who lives in London and was from Leicester. But he was on the Derby scene. Well, yes, OK. That's tenuous. You know, he did gigs in Derby. That's what I mean. On the scene. On the live music team. OK, OK. He's still on the Derby scene, man. In my head. OK.
00:21:13
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Anyway, on the last, on the on the previous episode, we talked about a song that you said was boingy. We did, we did. A boingy song. We like boingy songs. Some people have said there are lots of boingy songs, apparently, but Mark Hibbert has pointed out one that he recorded and it's very boingy, isn't it?
00:21:34
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It is. And this is from an act called Jane and John, and that was the band that Mark and his other half started during lockdown. And the boinginess, most of it derives from the fact that the sound of tennis balls are used as percussion.
00:24:34
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what What do you think about that, Steve? I find that increasingly utterly charming. You know what I mean? I just i've really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed listening to it. Again, I listened to it ah earlier today and I listened to it just then and I really enjoyed it.
00:24:49
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I thought it was a comically touching reflection on the nature of of our everyday wellbeing, prompted by the experience of living through lockdown. I enjoyed it very much. And I like the sound effect of the boinging, but I don't think you needed it really. ah caught I think just the idea of the boing, boing was cool. And you know, I'm going to get philosophical here. A gentle boing, boing up and down.
00:25:18
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is literally the best we can hope for, for us the the state of our mental well-being, isn't it, Steve, really? you know Can I just say, this is a family a family podcast. Yeah. I don't know where you're going with this boing, boing, up and down. Well, I just mean like, you know, our mood.
00:25:37
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you know, our moods and our inner feeling, you know, a gentle, ever changing mood. A boing, boing is good, isn't it, really? That's all you get. Yeah, sustained sunshine and rainbows is not realistic. And we don't really want to have like crashing lows followed by stratospheric highs, you know, boing, boing is perhaps what we should all be aiming for, really. It's like a wibbling around the centre line. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:03
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But yeah, I did enjoy that a lot. and my feelings My feelings about the song itself changed, Steve. I like yours, actually, as I listened to it a few times. When I first listened to it, I thought it was really a twee abomination. But on reflection, I feel it sums up the entirety of my being in not just three minutes.
00:26:26
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And you do like a bit of the old Lawrence Gocart Mozart. I really do. thing don't yeah I really do. And there's a bit of that about it. Do you know why I'm liking that even more? Because you bought me a book for Christmas, which is incredibly good.
00:26:45
Speaker
So yeah, the book's called Street Level Superstar, A Year with Lawrence by Will Hodgkinson. And it's about Lawrence from Felt and Go Carp Mozart and all that. I mean, there was a film a few years ago, which came out, that was yeah like a documentary about him. That was pretty good, I quite liked it. But this this book, I think is much better, actually. And you get but far more of a taste of what kind of guy he is and what perhaps motivates him. And he's a very intriguing character. And since I've been reading the book, which I really do appreciate you buying me. It was a great present. It's signed copy as well. Amazing. Since reading it, I've been listening to quite a lot of felt and realized how much I like them.
00:27:36
Speaker
I didn't really realise how much I like felt, I really like them. And ah and some of Lawrence's new stuff is kind of interesting as well. yeah Dark, very dark, a lot of it. But yeah, really good, really good. So yeah, thank you for introducing me to that book. And I'd recommend that to anyone. um But yeah, MJ Hibbert, going back to that song, it's really nice. to I do like listening to other people's stuff on this podcast. And um and I really enjoyed the I like hearing stuff that's different, you know what I mean? yeah And we would have, I don't know, would we have recorded that? I don't think we would we were we would have written that, but maybe in a Jimmy Dorito kind of mood we might have done something a bit like that. But I don't think we would have delivered it with anything as much a plumb and i don't think as they do, as Jane and John do. And yeah, I really liked her voice as well. It reminded me, and I don't want to be offensive to anybody, but it it's this it sounded like a kind of a
00:28:32
Speaker
teenage girl from the 1970s singing, I thought. it's that's what That's what she sounded like from some sort of pop band. Oh, hang on. There's a great song. Hang on. A song called Terry by Twinkle. Yeah, that kind of. I nearly said vibe again. But yes, that kind of thing.
00:28:49
Speaker
I do like the fact that we mentioned boingy songs and one of the people who listens to the podcast says, I've got a boingy song and sends it. That's the kind of thing that I like. We mentioned something. That's the kind of thing I like. Yeah. We just talk about something completely random, a boingy song. Oh, I've got one of those. Bang. Here you go. Brilliant. MJ Hibbert, Mark Hibbert, Dr Hibbert.
00:29:13
Speaker
I just got to mention as well, another good thing that you could get into from listening to this podcast is doing a podcast himself called the Funny Comics Fan Club.
Nostalgic Insights from Funny Comics Fan Club
00:29:25
Speaker
And I think it's really fun, actually. It's fairly niche, you know, pot kettle situation there. Yeah. But it is to it is to middle aged men.
00:29:37
Speaker
but ah they are reading through an old comic ah like a funny comic like the bino or the dandy and i really enjoyed it he does like to keep going on about how he's a doctor a lot but his friend john dredge is a very good foil to him and and ah they work really well together but I really liked it the dandy episode is great when you rediscover how shit the dandy was yeah because as as they do i actually had the revelation when they were talking about a plug comic in a recent episode from the description i realized that i'd actually read that comic 50 years ago it was like a real it was like a
00:30:14
Speaker
is a Proustian moment there. I could read it, you know. But yeah, they've wisely chosen a subject for the podcast that actually has a a small but actual audience, unlike Insert Jingle.
00:30:47
Speaker
Which is why they've appeared in the ah in the Guardian newspaper as the podcast of the week, at least twice, I think. Yeah. Well, he could he could always give us a bit of a shout out, couldn't he? I mean, it's not really the thing, but you know, it would be good if you did. They do include adverts, but they're like joke adverts because they read adverts from old comics.
00:31:07
Speaker
Well, maybe we could submit a joke advert for this podcast. you but Which is comic related. Yeah, but very good. ah But yeah yeah, I think we should have the titles like he's a doctor. but you What title are you going to have? Can you remember? We did one gig where we dressed up in office wear. Can you remember this? We did one gig. We had little badges. What title did you have? I was project manager.
00:31:34
Speaker
Oh, right. OK, I think I was. You know what? You know, as I am always and I always shall be. Yeah. I was the president of Madagascar. I don't think you were on your badge. You had you had a badge. We all had badges and sort of those little clip on things. What did you say yours was something? It was not enough. It was something like podcast gold podcast. OK, I remember what we wrote on a badge. Yeah. And we bought really cheap.
00:32:04
Speaker
office wear short sleeve white shirts. And they were so cheap and they were insanely hot. And yeah, that was good. They were gone. They were gone out of the window. too home Yeah, that was the end of our branding. We were too hot. our Costuming. it wass Too hot. Okay.
00:32:23
Speaker
Shall we move on to a different song? The last song we're talking about today. Shall we? Shall we? Yeah, so this one is by the Johnny Domino Band. Most of the stuff that we talk about was from the second millennium. But this is actually the the the early days of the third millennium, isn't it, Steve?
00:32:42
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, quite a lot of the stuff we talk about is from the early days of the third millennium. But this recording is probably from God, it's a rehearsal room recording. And it was when we managed to persuade somebody to drum with us. And that was the Jeff Bot 3000.
00:32:58
Speaker
and And it's a song that we we've never got a chance to record it properly. So we've got a couple of rehearsal recordings of this one on the mini disc. I used to love my mini disc recorder and I used to have a little rabbit ear microphone. So it had like two little things that you you point it in different directions. So it's almost a stereo recording.
00:33:20
Speaker
But it is rather low-fi. We've got to warn people, I guess. It is is quite a low-fi recording. Sometimes we do treat you to things that actually sound relatively professional. But yeah, this is quite rough. But, you know, have a listen to it. You know, you you might like it it. It was a song that we know is like ah one of those situations where you've got to imagine what it could have been like if we'd actually recorded it properly. And the challenge, see if you can figure out what Jim's singing about.
00:37:46
Speaker
He's singing something about being alive, I think. Is that the one word you can pick out? Pretty much. but yeah He's not the sort of person who hangs on to things, I don't think, so I don't imagine he's got the lyrics. But we'll see. I'll ask him.
00:38:02
Speaker
But yeah, Sterling worked from the Jeff Bot there on that song. It's just a real shame we never recorded it properly. Yeah, but it was good and I quite like listening to it actually. In terms of the song, I think we were going somewhere kind of interesting. It's got a bit of a summer loving bass line, which is a bit weird. I thought it had a something going on there, I quite liked it. It would have worked live, that one.
00:38:31
Speaker
Oh, it did. It did. We played it live ah quite a bit. I remember the first time we played it live, it was a, there was a weird bar in Derby that was on the corner and it was like being in a glass bowl, like a goldfish bowl. And so like people, I remember, yeah, I remember. Yeah. Yeah. We played it there. Was it called Barbida or something? Yeah. Yeah. That was it. something It was called something like that. It was right on the corner. I think that was the gig that I sold my bass amp. Was it? Yeah. I sold my bass amp at that gig.
00:39:00
Speaker
I don't know. Rather than bring it home. Rather than bring it home, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Skills. Skills. On the stage, I think I held an auction at the end of the gig and sold the mason. It was a good amp. Yeah. It was a pretty, it wasn't it was too big though. It was like a keyboard ah mad thing. and ah it was it was It was insane. um It was so heavy. It's the Johnny Domino podcast.
00:39:24
Speaker
give it a chance though i can't really hear the lyrics on it i think that song it reminds me of an obsession that we had at the time i think we still perhaps do have an obsession with the band the meat puppets well three of us really like the meat puppets and we we're listening to a lot of the meat puppets at the time when we wrote that song and i think it's got a little bit of a I nearly said it, it has got a little bit of a similar taste to some of the later Meatpuppets albums, I think, where they did they did tend to have choruses where they repeat a word over and over again.
The Evolution of Meat Puppets and SST Records
00:40:01
Speaker
Yeah, see, I've just clicked onto my music files and looking on the third album, Up On The Sun, and track three is called Away. Away, that was the one. That was perhaps one of them, yeah. So it's quite similar. Away. In a lot of ways. Yeah, that one. It goes away, doesn't it? Yeah. That's supposed to be alive.
00:40:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, with little bets. But yeah, the Meat Puppet's great. I mean, they're a bit of an acquired taste, obviously. But we love them, don't we, Steve? We love the Meat Puppet. We do. We do. We do still like them a lot. What do you love about the Meat Puppet, Steve?
00:40:35
Speaker
What do I love about The Meat Puppets? What I love about The Meat Puppets is the fact that their first three albums, they go from this kind of insane hardcore, which sounds like, I think I used to call it, rabid glove puppets ripping apart a small stuffed animal. Yeah. Never has a band had such an appropriate name, I think as well. Meat puppets, yeah. Absolutely. They sound like meat puppets. So they go from that and then they go into sort of like,
00:41:00
Speaker
It's druggy, not quite country. I mean, the first album they recorded in three days and they were all just tripping for three days. And then the second album... Don't do drugs kids. No, not at all. But yeah, sort of what they used to call cow punk. Yeah. It's kind of a punky, ah rough around the edges version of country, but it's not really country music. And then it goes to Up On The Sun.
00:41:23
Speaker
really beautiful and clear sounding rippling psychedelia yeah type thing. But still with someone who sounds a little bit like a muppet. Yeah, but I kind of wish they'd stopped at that point because I think I went a little bit further into the studio albums after that point.
00:41:45
Speaker
There is one album and he was playing a synth guitar like a Roland synthesizer guitar, so it hasn't got actual strings and it plugs into a tone generator. I think that's Mirage, he's he's using that sort of guitar. He's saying to avoid that.
00:42:00
Speaker
But the thing is Jim, I know Jim really liked that album, he really rated that album but I tried it and I think I ended up just having to get rid of it because I didn't like it. We definitely recommend the first couple of albums, and wouldn't you really? I think the first three albums are great because you've got this insane hardcore to this weird country to talking headsy, psychedelia type things, quite funky as well.
00:42:23
Speaker
And the thing is, some of the instrument playing on the first chord of albums is a bit shunky. And then the third album did just completely on it, playing incredibly intricate guitar parts and bass lines and playing at insane speeds as well. The thing about American punk is it was more of a an attitude than British punk was was like a musical style.
00:42:46
Speaker
you know, in a larger sense, it became codified into three chords. And you play fast and you play loud. In American punk, you've got on the same record label, you've got Black Flag, you've got the Meat Puppets, you've got Minutemen, you know, they're all hanging out, all playing on the same lineups and things. It's weird, though, when you mentioned those bands that were the bands that were their contemporaries, really, it's weird that the Meat Puppets perhaps were a little, well, perhaps one of the least.
00:43:15
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appreciated, I think, really out of those, yeah or probably had the least success, I suppose, but they were incredibly original. You know, incredibly original, perhaps a bit too original for the general taste, I suppose, or even the alternative rock taste. And for what I've read, it seems like the bands on SST Records, they all really liked the Meat Puppets. I think The Minutemen actually did some Meat Puppets covers yeah on like a later album. And the strange thing is I've just finished reading a book called Corporate Rock Sucks, The Rise and Fall of SST Records by Jim Ruland.
00:43:51
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It basically paints a picture of SST records being run in a kind of egotistical mayhem and bad management that prioritised the releases of instrumental albums by Greg Ginn, not paying artists their royalties or safely storing their master recordings. So all the tapes have basically rotted of all the SST recordings because they stored them badly in extreme temperatures on the west coast.
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and Sonic Youth and the Meat Puppets, both of those two bands, they sued for their royalties and got the masters back, which is why, but probably a long time ago now, Meat Puppets, they reissued quite a lot of their albums on Raikou disc in a lightly remastered stuff.
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But, you know, you're not going to get any Huskadoo or Minutemen SST albums getting reissued because they don't own the tapes and they've all fallen apart. Got knackered. There you go. Good stuff. The live album's really good. That's one of my favorites. Live in Montana. ah That is a great album. The way I describe them, it sounds like, you know how some bands sound like a kind of a jet plane? The meat puppets are more like a biplane made out of cardboard.
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possibly wet cardboard, held together with rubber bands and piloted by these like hyperactive muppets. So if you fancy listening to that, I would check it out. Well, I read about Missoula for years in outdoor life. He's a liar. And that guy can't sew a stitch.
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Well, you know, so I thought to myself, I was to buy a guitar and come learn to play the guitar, play around, make money and buy a horse. I was talking with your parents the other day. Some inspiring intersong banter from The Meat Club. Yes, as at the the end of automatic mojo. Yeah. yeah yeah Anyway, check out the Meat Puppets if you've not really listened to them month before. They're great. If you want to be our friend, you should listen to them. Anyway, are we at the end of the podcast, Stephen? I think we are, yes. Thank you yeah for listening to the podcast. Just chill a minute. chi a minute chill a minute
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So are we are we going to include any of these songs in the next volume of the very best of this or joint domino? It's current volume, ah volume two out now. Check it out. It's good. It sounds good. So we we're working on the next volume. Are we going to include any of these songs in it?
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You see, I'd love to include a live, but I'm not sure if the if I think possibly the fire on that is possibly a little bit too live. Perhaps a little bit. But I did like enjoy listening to Not Mine. Yeah, it was better than I thought it was. And I think it did have a bit of a David Lin tune kind of ascetic to it. You know, and yeah, it was good. And we also thank you very much for MJ Hibbert or Mark Hibbert and his band Jane and John for letting us play their song.
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and rip it to pieces critically. We didn't at all. I know we didn't at all. Oh, did you edit that bit out? Oh my God, Steve. Oh, no, you're just messing with my brain and the ears of listeners. Anyway, thank you for listening to the ah ruthless badinage of the This Are Johnny Domino podcast. If you are enjoying the podcast. Just got to stop you there for a minute. I haven't really got an end bit today.
00:47:29
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I haven't really got an Mbit for today. So you interrupted me to say that you don't have an Mbit? Yeah. That's a new one. Because I think you'd be hanging if ah if I hadn't interrupted you. You'd be like, oh what am I going to do? What am I I've got an Mbit. Not really. Did you listen to Desert Island Discs with the Nick Cave? No. Did you not listen to it? It was very good. No, no. It's actually quite good. That's my recommendation. I haven't got any old vinyl or any Christian albums to talk about this week. But yeah, Nick Cave on on Desert Island Discs with Lovely Lauren. It's quite good actually, particularly the first bit where he's talking about writing songs. I also went to Rob's Records again. ah you know I'm a big fan of ah damaged records, but I didn't find any like you know obscure things or anything, but I did buy a record, yay, and it was a classic. It was Lady Soul by Aretha Franklin.
00:48:24
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a bonafide classic, right but then boo, it's a bit scratched. yeah I know Steve, you're feeling all kind of smug because you you know your attitude about i not your attitude about old records and Rob's Records is being confirmed here because I bought a dud record. but and and you know which Which track is actually ah scratched? The one I bought the album for, which was you know Chain of Fools, it's scratched. and I was a bit disappointed about it, but you know what?
00:48:54
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I've listened to the rest of the album and you know the rest of the album is is worth five quid of anyone's money, seriously. you know so ah It's an amazing album. So go and listen to that. It's really good. but It is perhaps the best music I've ever heard. I'll put it out there.
00:49:16
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There you go. You have said it. Thank you for listening and we will see you soon. Bye bye. Please do like and subscribe to our podcast and recommend it to someone who you think might like listening to all this kind of weird shit. Send us some of your old music and enter the eternal halls of the four track gods.
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