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What to say, what to say…
It's another episode… but this one?
Well, it’s got a little swagger in its tail. Steve and Giles delve into their juvenilia and pull up a neo-psychedelic gem, then engage in their own engagement opportunity before serving up some musical cuisine from the 90s Derby music scene.
It's a pretty crazy ride, are you sure you can handle it?
Also includes:
- New York!
- Marketing!
- Clown Man!
- Jeep boys!
Related audiovisual material is available on the This Are Johnny Domino blog.
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Podcast artwork by Giles Woodward
Edited by Steve Woodward at PodcastingEditor.com
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Transcript
00:00:00
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I've never seen you look like this without a reason. Another promise fallen through. Another season passes by you. I never took the smile away from anybody's face.
00:00:15
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And that's a desperate way to look for someone who is still a child.
00:00:22
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In a big country, dreams stay with you. Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside. Stay alive. Here
Introduction to This Our Johnny Domino podcast
00:00:34
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we go. Ooh.
00:00:59
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Hello, welcome to the This Our Johnny Domino podcast, a self-referential and entertaining music-based podcast by two brothers, Giles and Steve Woodward, in which they discuss music, what they recorded back in the day and talk about it and the memories that arise therewith and thereon.
00:01:22
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We explore our music and our relationship to music. And our relationship to each other, let's be honest. In the past, the present, and the future.
00:01:35
Speaker
Is that right? That's all right. that's on On the Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Those lyrics really did make me laugh because it surprised me when the chorus kicked in. They're good lyrics, aren't they? Good lyrics. Quite deep.
00:01:47
Speaker
Quite deep. Yeah. So what was it? It was In a Big Country by... Big country, obviously. Yeah, I've got to make a point here. though that you know Through the strata of time since we've ever been doing this podcast, you, Stephen, have been editing out all of my big country content every few episodes, really. I seem to mention it.
00:02:09
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And does it ever get in? I mean, I know you've got the final edit on the podcast, but you can't edit that out. Off the top of my head, I'm completely unaware of editing out any big country content.
00:02:21
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I don't know if you're just if you're just trolling me with your little editing comments where you make out that I've cut things out. Yeah, that's what you're saying. That's what you're saying.
00:02:32
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Yeah, it's, you know, come on. Just stop it Alternative facts here. oh Anyway, I've been in a big country. oh where would that be, Giles? I've been at the US of Trump, as I think they've called it now.
00:02:46
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i went to I went to New York.
Giles's New York City adventure
00:02:48
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In fact, I've written a short report. Would you like me to read it to you, Steve, and listeners? I would very much like you to read me this report. Thank you.
00:03:00
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New York City. In fact, in February... was a wonderful place, bright, clear and cold, looking like a gigantic glass stone and metal forest.
00:03:13
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We stayed in the Bowery. It was up and in a trendy art-filled hotel across the road from restaurant supply shops and next to a homeless shelter.
00:03:27
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in an area where every surface other than the roads and the windows was covered in graffiti stickers and homemade posters. We did all the stuff and just before we went home, we walked up the road to see the site of the Punk Rock and New Wave home and originating site, CBGB's.
00:03:51
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The legendary bar where the Ramones did their first gig and where Talking Ads and Blondie and Television found their first audience. They all played there. It's no longer a club, but it's a branch of John Vovatos, a luxury men's lifestyle brand that sells high-end fashion using rock aesthetics.
00:04:12
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It's basically a sort of it' the sort of clothes that you might see ah Chris Hemsworth or Dwayne The Rock Johnson or Jude Law wearing. The belts were $400.
00:04:24
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four hundred dollars The place was done out in a rock style with fake racks of real records that weren't for sale and like really, really fancy guitars and drum kits or strewn about the place to make it look cool.
00:04:43
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The board sales assistant quickly ascertained that we weren't there to buy anything. and explained that everything was props and that the only original feature was a section of wall covered in ripped posters that had been preserved behind a glass screen.
00:05:00
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It was a bit like a section of Roman mosaic. And there was also a black and white photo of how the stage used to look. I stared at it for a while and two young women who had entered the shop after us stood next to me looking.
00:05:16
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And I said, this is the only original feature. And over there's a photo of how the stage was. And she said, wow. And then we left the shop and i then i realized that they were members of the band Heim.
00:05:32
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Excellent. And you mansplained CBGBs to them? They didn't know. the first time they'd been in there. How do you know? Well, they were looking around like with their eyes wide open and their mouths open.
00:05:45
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Right. That was it. It was kind of a bit disappointing, really. Yes. ah The CBGBs bit, but the rest of New York was really good. Cool. Anyway, I'm bared back, back, back.
00:06:00
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So this episode, we've got a number of songs to listen to. And the first one is a song that is from way back, way back way back in the olden days.
The significance of 'Fish' by The Usual Rosie
00:06:15
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And it is a song called Fish. And we've got to listen to this in response to the overwhelming demand and clamour that we've had, really, ah fans of The Usual Rosie. Because we played them a few episodes ago, didn't we? Yes, we did. The Usual Rosie were a band that we were in a long time ago.
00:06:35
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yeah College days, really. can't remember. Were they after the Millers or before them They were before the Millers. They were... After Space Rat. After Space Rat. That's it.
00:06:47
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you You really do need to do a family tree. you need to ah I personally would love it. yeah My birthday will be coming in a couple of months and you can do that for me. That would be great. ah all right It was the lovelies into Space Rat. Space Rat.
00:07:02
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into the usual rosy, usual rosy into the Millers. Got you. There you go. Johnny Domino, pretty much. Okay. So yeah, the usual rosy. It's a sound that speaks to young people today, I think, in this dystopian Trumpian wilderness.
00:07:19
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And it's kind of coming forth from an echo of the late 80s. And I think they can relate to it. I think it's authentic.
00:07:29
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it's you know Who are these fans? Who are they? i think you just wanted to play it because you think it's funny. Or has Andy been in touch?
00:07:40
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He hasn't, has he? No. Thank God for that.
Creating the Gaviscon jingle for middle-aged men
00:08:33
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If you want to make the world a better place
00:08:56
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Just switch it, turn it yourself and go, and do something else for you instead. Why can't I get the words out of my head? So much to do, so little time.
00:10:37
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I was coming, I'm coming!
00:10:52
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that asho i was You called me an asshole. I don't think that's me calling you an asshole. I don't think it was. I'm pretty sure it was Andy. Somebody was calling me an asshole. It was Andy. I wouldn't call you an asshole. No.
00:11:09
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I might do now, but I wouldn't have done that. No, you'd prefer the... You'd use the word dick or something, or twat. Or something like that. But not asshole. Yeah. Somebody's calling me an asshole. Someone's always calling me an asshole, let's face it. It's one of the eternal truths. Yeah. Yep, that was ah the usual Rosie.
00:11:29
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God... Quite something, isn't it? um I listened to it the other day, and weirdly, it was actually an old song. It's a really old song. It wasn't written by the usual Rosie. It was an old Space Rats song.
00:11:42
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Oh, yeah. It's really, really old, even older than old. Yeah, it stood the task of time. For some reason, we decided to keep it going, even though it's incredibly static. You're doing your kind of washy guitar bit, and I'm doing the same thing on the keyboards.
00:11:57
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Yeah. So there's very little going on. It's weird. I think we were trying to be psychedelic. Well, I did write a little note. and I said, hmm, someone's been learning about Eastern scales.
00:12:07
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And that's me. I've been learning about Eastern scales in my GCSE at that point, I think, which kind of dates it. It's obviously sort of... 1989 when we were doing it so I was probably just finishing my my GCSEs so yeah and yeah and I was very keen on playing the little eastern scaly things and yes very strange I quite enjoyed it, actually. you know I mean, you've got to get into its own little universe of what it is.
00:12:36
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But, you know, I can see there's some good points there. I mean, you talk about the washy guitars. Yeah, yeah. that's like I mean, I'm literally doing all that I can do.
00:12:48
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No, but it works. Because I have no i have no other i have no ones tricks. No, but it works. It does work. Yeah. I think this particular song is the best of a bad bunch.
00:12:58
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Do you? I think it of the four-track demo that we recorded at the Canin Factory with Dave Chang, yeah I think that was the best song that we did. So it's interesting that it's so old.
00:13:09
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Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I think it always used to go all right when we played it as Space Rat, when we used to play with Jock on the drums. Hi there, Jock. And it's been my first psychedelic raga track.
00:13:21
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Yeah. And then, you know, obviously the lyrics are kind of... I find the lyrics quite funny. Don't you? Don't you? i do. i do. i mean, I don't think they're intentionally funny.
00:13:34
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But sometimes that's the best kind of funny, really. We're doing a bit of the old magpying because there's a clear reference to Why Don't You, yeah the famous BBC television series.
00:13:48
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Andy says, why don't you just switch off your television set and go and do something less boring instead, which was a well-known phrase to people of our age, for sure.
00:14:00
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And it was encouraging young people, a program encouraging young people to play games and make things and go on days out rather than watch TV. Had a good theme tune. An absolute cracking theme tune, didn't it, Steve?
00:14:12
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It certainly did. Insert.
00:14:43
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So why don't you? Why don't you? Why?
00:14:55
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That was quite a rock and roll theme tune, wasn't it, really? Yeah. That was probably one of the first pieces of rock and roll. That's the origin of like my interest in rock and roll.
00:15:05
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That can't be true. The Why Don't You theme.
00:15:11
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I think Andy probably liked it too. i think andy wrote I think Andy wrote most of these lyrics. I think it was a collaboration. So much to do, so little time. Have you seen The Price of Fish?
00:15:27
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What's he saying? there what's what What kind of comment are we making here? I think he's just trying to write some words. I think he's just trying to fill some gaps. I think that's all it is. i don't know. I think he's making a comment about the state of the world.
00:15:41
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You think? I do remember when when we brought the demo home and he played it to his parents. His mum was really cross about the swearing. they The frankly unnecessary swearing. and Yeah, but listen it's but it's very kind of like sit it's like... It's not like a very full-bodied swear, is it? It's more like... Do you know think he knew he was going to eventually play it to his mum and he didn't want to lean into it?
00:16:11
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Yeah, he didn't want to lean into it too, so held back a little bit with the with the with that... Well, yeah, like I like that. And obviously, clearly another example of this old Johnny Domino digging into the juvenilia.
00:16:25
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Once again, hopefully we're prompting our listeners not to be scared. Look, I mean, we're we're doing this. We're playing a ridiculous song from our youth so that we can all have a bit of a laugh.
00:16:39
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And we want to keep doing it. But it would be nice if you'd like, you know, you might want to join in too. So if you've got like a song from your earliest bands, maybe on a bit of tape somewhere, you know, share it with us and we can all can all enjoy it in a nice, warm, cuddly, fuzzy way.
00:16:58
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And we can listen to it. And you might even end up in...
Listener submissions of old music recordings
00:17:03
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The eternal halls
00:17:09
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of the four track. God. God.
00:17:18
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God. yeah thank you for mentioning that because we haven't had anything for a while from people's backp pages and i know people are sitting on it i know people and the shy ah you know that's cool yeah you know you know we want it we want it Yeah, we do. And you know what?
00:17:34
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Steve's got a tape deck. So if you've got a tape deck, or you can't digitize it, i've gone I've just got it on tape. Well, you know, post it to us, right? And Steve can digitize it, and then we'll send you back, right?
00:17:47
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They literally are no excuses. There are no excuses. There are no barriers. No barriers whatsoever to engaging with us on this particular engagement opportunity. And we do like listening to other people's stuff, ah especially but if it's interesting and or funny, then yeah we just dig it.
00:18:06
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We do. And Andy hasn't really been in touch. But he might do. he might do. Maybe we should yeah maybe she'd put a call out for him, see if we can find I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I want to see Andy. I want to find his view on this stuff. We're playing his stuff, so I'd like to talk to them about what he thinks about it. I'd like his perspective.
00:18:32
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Yes, i think that's fair. Yes, definitely. As we've said, it didn't end particularly well with the the usual Rosie. Well, there wasn't a big bust up. It's just we didn't handle it particularly well, did we? You know, it was just one of those things, and it was like, oh, let's just stop doing it. And we rang him, and or yeah, but anyway, it was fine.
00:18:55
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it was fine. We were very young and a bit callow and all this kind of stuff. I mean, that was our first time in an actual recording studio. So, you know, you were playing your guitar, and we had a bit of...
00:19:08
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He had a bit of delay on the guitar at the end. Very nice. And it was probably his first time hearing his voice as well. Yeah. That's got to be nerve wracking. That's got to be nerve wracking. Because when we played live, he was it wasn't a shouter, but that was a quite a hush delivery compared to some other recordings I've got of it.
00:19:25
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Yeah. But as you said, Dave Chang. Dave Chang. Dave Chang. very good job of recording it. I remember Dave Chang very clearly. He had long, impressively long hair. Well, interestingly, if you remember, the last time we played The Usual Rosa, we mentioned Dave Chang.
00:19:39
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And our mate Tom Von Vorten, large pony, got in touch and said Dave Chang was in a band with Tom's uncle. Oh, And they were called Inconsequential Bellybutton Fluff.
00:19:53
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oh and And I did a bit of digging round and I found ah page on Facebook for inconsequential belly button fluff. And I do remember, look this ah there's like a picture of a ah a tape that they had.
00:20:07
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And I remember him talking about a song that they got called Atom Bomb, Atom Bomb, Drop It On Me. And that's on the tape. Cool. Yeah. But there's no actual music on that site, is there? No, there isn't. an Annoyingly. but I remember Dave at the time mentioning the fact that he was in a kind of a comedy band.
00:20:24
Speaker
That song title really sticks in my head. That would be a great banter here on this podcast. But yeah can we dig it up? Can somebody make some sort of weird contact with an uncle, perhaps?
00:20:35
Speaker
Well, as Tom mentions, he's got a copy of their live album. But sadly, the band ended acrimoniously when Tom's uncle stole Dave's girlfriend. So I'm not sure how burnt those particular bridges are. So we'll see.
00:20:52
Speaker
We've all been there. Have we? you know Oh, you probably have. I wasn't sure about the Johnny Domino podcast, but I gave it a chance. And now I think I love it Speaking of engagement opportunities, as we were with the 4Track Gods, we are currently running well we're running many, many, many, many engagement opportunities. There's loads. There's so so many.
00:21:16
Speaker
Mainly to keep ourselves engaged. Yeah, keep us interested. And ah one of them is all about product placement. You had an idea to go for the marketing dollar, mention some product placement, try and get some of that sweet, sweet marketing money heading towards.
00:21:30
Speaker
And ah we've we've done one. We have, yeah. So we're going to play our product placement song in a second. But yeah, definitely, you can have a go at writing one. You know, you can pick anything, yeah right? Any product.
00:21:43
Speaker
But yeah, let's let's do it. It's it's a fun thing. We've chosen something that we all use, and we're thinking about our target audience, aren't we, Steve, of the Johnny Domino, this is our Johnny Domino podcast. Yeah. Men of a certain age are a bit stressed.
00:21:57
Speaker
They suffer with heartburn and digestive problems and used to listen to bands like the Pixies. Exactly. So, sweet you know, imagine an advert, Steve, you know. Yeah. There's a bunch of middle-aged guys with the glasses and grey hair, probably beard.
00:22:12
Speaker
If any hair. Yeah, possibly bald. Yeah. Yeah. Possibly totally bald. Right. Hanging out and watching music in a field, perhaps. Yeah. Having fun, you know, arms around each other. Having a drink. Around a campfire. Having a drink. Drinking out of cans. Drinking out of plastic cups.
00:22:28
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Eating expensive fast food out of caravans. or Or dodgy fast food out of a caravan. Yeah. Well, it dodgy expensive fast food. And then, oof.
00:22:40
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Getting a bit of indigestion. oh see, look on his face. Oh, it's not fun. But then to the rescue, it's Gavis gone. Double action, fast relief for indigestion.
00:22:51
Speaker
And what kind of music would this advert have, Steve? You're right. It would be kind of a bit Pixies-ish, wouldn't it, right? fit with the target audience. Absolutely. Maybe a bit Nick Cave, yeah. A bit lo-fi.
00:23:03
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Maybe with some heartfelt lyrics about feeling a bit insecure and your relationship with your lady. Yeah. Here we go. This is our song, Gaviscon, double action.
00:23:14
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Music and lyrics, Giles Woodward and Stephen Woodward.
00:23:29
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Hey companiera, I'm talking to you. Disregard the reals for now, I'm talking to you.
00:23:49
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Cavit's gone, double act.
00:24:10
Speaker
It confines your earth, I've got it on my sleeve. The symbol for openness, I wear it on my sleeve.
00:24:26
Speaker
Do you have a cue that's forming, Kaviskan?
00:26:16
Speaker
I think we cracked it there, Steve. I'm interested to know if anybody feels the immediate need to go out and buy some Gaviscon, or at least adding it to your next home delivery shopping cart. Yeah, I've already got some.
00:26:28
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I'm always well stocked up.
00:26:32
Speaker
Did you enjoy that? I did. You enjoyed doing it? Yeah, I had fun. It was fun doing that, wasn't it? I mean, that's a bit of music I wrote ages ago, and I recorded it as a in inverted commas proper johnny domino song what you talking about the big do you know what i mean it's kind are talking about willis i'm sorry in but it was one of the first bits of music i made up after i got my acoustic guitar back off yeah yeah because i remember playing it at a time when there was no tuning peg on the on one of the strings and i remember thinking oh let's get that tuning peg sorted then i can choose guitar improperly
00:27:08
Speaker
But it doesn't come across in the recording. I think it sounds very good. I like the guitar very much. still Very enjoyable. Especially electric guitar very good. a little bit loud, possibly, on that mix. I just did. No, I don't think so. I think you sound like yeah you're making the guitar eat itself, there which is quite good. There go. That's good.
00:27:23
Speaker
Thank you. It's got indigestion, that guitar. Yeah. i've I've actually been annoying the the women that I live with. and my wife and daughter, not multiple wives. and He's not a Mormon. No, but I've been annoying them by walking around singing the chorus.
00:27:39
Speaker
Well, yeah. It is great. It's a great chorus. Okay. Well, it you know, I took it straight off the packet, dude. Hey, there' there's some good words. We're magpying. But I think and we're going to send it to Gaviscon.
00:27:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think we perhaps should. I think you know, going have to work on composing that letter. Yeah. I mean, it's a big pharmaceutical company. car I did look, but can't remember the name of it now.
00:28:03
Speaker
But, you know, I think it's based in Slough. And, you know, we can just send we could send it to somebody there and say, come on. Think about your target audience there. We're big fans. Big fans of your product.
00:28:16
Speaker
Couldn't this be a good advert? You know. they get it Obviously, they're going to pick up quite a lot from advertising on this podcast. Yeah. Our um huge audience. So...
00:28:27
Speaker
There you go. But yeah, get involved and write a song that is endorsing a product that you perhaps use on a regular basis.
00:28:38
Speaker
And you can have it played on our podcast. Maybe we could make a whole album of product type songs. I like that. Let's do it. That's a good idea. Right. right Come on, Dan, get the guitar out the loft. Let's have some stuff.
00:28:53
Speaker
It's time for the This Our Johnny.
00:29:04
Speaker
Talk you about something pointless, oh yeah
00:29:10
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Time for a new feature on the podcast. In the previous episode, ah my brother asked if people would be willing to submit a jingle for a section where we talk about the Derby music scene.
00:29:23
Speaker
Ideally of the 90s when we were in the Derby music scene, but very much about the Derby music scene. And we did get a submission by our mate Wilbraham.
00:29:36
Speaker
He's always the first in line, isn't that guy? I love that guy. He's always there and he's submitted an absolute belter. We need to underline right now, though, this does not mean that this is the only jingle that can be used for this section.
00:29:50
Speaker
If anybody's got a hankering or a taste for wanting to submit a jingle, we will take anything. Yeah, take this as a challenge. yeah Could you write a better jingle for on the Derby music scene and than this?
00:30:02
Speaker
ah You should know that the bar has been set quite high. Well, you could take a bit of judging that.
00:30:29
Speaker
And what musical cuisine are we going to serve today,
Remembering Twinkie and their music style
00:30:32
Speaker
Steve? We are going to talk about a band called Twinkie. Talking about Twinkie was prompted by me finding a tape that came with a fanzine called Kato's Day Out.
00:30:44
Speaker
And it had songs on it by someone called Johnny Domino, Twinkie and a band called Kato. Now, we did gigs with them. We did loads of gigs with them. They were like our major gigging partners for a while.
00:30:56
Speaker
Yeah. I really liked them, actually, as a band. I was quite ah kind of wanted to be in Twinkie, really. Well, charming. They were really nice people. And I think possibly at that time we were almost like amongst the elders of the Derby music scene.
00:31:13
Speaker
yeah You know what i mean? was There was something about that, and and people wanted us to do gigs with them, and we wanted to do more gigs, so we were happy to... play it whatever anyone wanted us to play out. And so, we as you say, we did a lot of gigs, mostly at the Loft slash Warehouse in Derby.
00:31:29
Speaker
And yeah, we did quite a few gigs with Kato and Twinkie. And yeah, and this is a song... but Describe to it, left it what were Twinkie like? what did What did you think about, what what were Twinkie? What Twinkie like? What were Twinkie?
00:31:43
Speaker
I think there was something really English about them. They didn't take themselves too seriously... They were noisy. They were very noisy. And they had dissonance and noise and they were kind of punky.
00:31:55
Speaker
And they were pretty cool. They were quite exciting live, I thought. They were exciting. They were pretty tight, definitely. Yeah. So let's let's have a listen and see if you can see if listening to it jogs our memory to some more Twinkie memories.
00:33:16
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Can't you say I'm such a pretty fan? GK, pretty, pretty, oh GK, what a key is all you're around
00:34:41
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That's a good song. Don't go.
00:35:29
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Abrasive. Very stooges. Yes. I was kind of surprised when I listened to it the other day, how stooge like it was. Yeah. Also, ah the the dog is going mental in the back garden or just downstairs. actually Can you hear the dog?
00:35:45
Speaker
Yeah. I think they responded to twinkie there. Absolutely. Absolutely. references I kind of got was kind of Pussy Galore a bit as well. That kind of New York noise thing.
00:35:56
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And the thing I really liked about Twinkie, one of the things that set them apart from us really, is they actually looked like a band. Yes. Do you know what I mean? the jo Johnny Domino did not really look like a band ever.
00:36:09
Speaker
We looked like a bunch of blokes that just kind of turned up and plugged in. But i think I think that Twinkie did look like a band and they had an impressive lead singer. Yeah.
00:36:20
Speaker
Who's quite a tall fellow. Moo. As he will always be known in Moo. Yeah. It's always good to have a tall lead singer, I think. Yeah, and he had ah he had but a massive Rickenbacker bass guitar. He did.
00:36:32
Speaker
And he's really got a great sound on that. The drums, the Pussy Gilore thing is quite good because what I wrote down was cardboard box drums. Yes. a Very boxy recording that. They changed drummers, I think, eventually, and that is not, they had a drummer whose name was Elvis.
00:36:49
Speaker
There you go. And it was, his name was Elvis. And you know what mean? They were bands. Proper band. ah But I really like, I like Debbie's vocal on that. Yeah. I really like Debbie's vocal. I like the sound just kind of like wavering in the background. I love it.
00:37:03
Speaker
It is out of tune, but that's the point, right? That's the point. So what? That's what I like about it. ah like the out of tune singing. Yeah. You know, it's, it's cool. like, that was a good one. I remember that one from doing gigs with them. I remember yeah hearing that one. Definitely.
00:37:19
Speaker
My favourite song, though, ah I'd really like to play it at some point, always known as Malevolent Jew. Yes. Amongst the Johnny Domino band. And that was so that was I really thought that's what the song was.
00:37:33
Speaker
Is it called ah My Favourite Animal is the White Tiger? You're telling me it's not called Malevolent Jew? No, it's not called Malevolent Jew because I think even back in the heady days of the everything's all sorted 1990s, I don't think that would have gone down amazingly well.
00:37:48
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Okay. I thought they were being very edgy there, actually. But yeah, we'll have to listen to that one and you can see where I'm getting that misunderstanding from. Yeah. Maybe it was the sound system at the loft.
00:38:01
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No, it did it did sound a bit like it. It did sound like it. Okay, it wasn't just me. Okay. Twinkie. um What's Moo doing these days? Is he doing any music? After Twinkie stopped doing Twinkie things, he went out as a solo performer under the name Dr. Coca-Cola McDonald's. And yes, we will have to talk about him at some point. um he he was like a clown man in underpants,
00:38:28
Speaker
performing very feral satirical songs with like electronic instruments. And he actually appeared on an early BBC3 comedy programme.
00:38:40
Speaker
Did he? He was a returning performer on this comedy programme, which was quite weird to see someone that you knew, someone whose wedding you went to, and on on the telly.
00:38:53
Speaker
Wow. Very peculiar. Thank you. but They were a good band. They did a live Peel session. Did they? and In 2003. I was doing a bit of research on them because I knew they'd done a Peel session, and it was because they were on something called the Two Minute Men single.
00:39:09
Speaker
And the Two Minute Men was a two-time seven-inch compilation EP released in 2002 on the Johnson family label of indie band Stanton. And each track on the compilation was no more than two minutes long.
00:39:22
Speaker
However, when I heard that concept, I thought, I wish we'd known about that concept or if we'd known the people who were doing that concept because we'd been right into that. Because we did do a song which was for a compilation tape by our French mates at Candy Sherry.
00:39:36
Speaker
They wanted to do a compilation where every song was 60 seconds long. Yeah. but can We're good at working within time limits. Limits are good. Limitations are always good to work within. Limits good, yeah. They did a couple of Peel sessions related to those singles, and the bands who performed had a set of 10 minutes, and they did a live set of 10 minutes.
00:39:56
Speaker
That's cool. And Twinkies is on YouTube. Oh, wow. go I want to watch that. Put that on the notes, Steve. Yes, I will. Yeah. Remember, every episode, we do always put together extensive notes and links, which you should have a look at because, you know, we's it's kind interesting.
00:40:14
Speaker
And, you know, we do them. And if no one's looking at them it's kind of annoying. It's entertainment for free. Yes. One of the other bands who was on those Two Minute Men single compilation, I think they did two of them.
00:40:28
Speaker
One of the other bands was a band called Hiramika Hi-Fi. Oh, I've heard of that. They were on Gringo Records. I think they're based in Nottingham or were based in Nottingham. And we did a gig with them.
00:40:38
Speaker
Oh, right, did we? We did a gig with Hiramika Hi-Fi. And the only time that we performed the song Double Diamond, which was the song that we featured on the Kato's Day Out cassette, the only time we ever played that song live was when we supported Hiramika Hi-Fi.
00:40:55
Speaker
Oh, I see. There you go. That's interesting. That's good because that's the song we're going to listen to next, isn't it? Yes. But before we leave the Derby scene... have you Have you got any bands that you're thinking it would be really good to feature in a future episode, Steve? Have you thought of any?
00:41:11
Speaker
Well, think about the bands that we played with. We did quite a few gigs with a band called Laser Guided. Super Creeps. I really want to hear some Super i know. I need to get touch with There's loads. There's loads of bands.
00:41:25
Speaker
You're welcome to engage in this opportunity as well. send a you know If you were in a derby band and we've forgotten about you, send us something. Especially if we did loads of gigs with you. Yeah, just prod us, you know. yeah As previously mentioned, ah the next one we're going to be talking about is a Johnny Domino song called Double Diamond.
The story of 'Double Diamond' by Johnny Domino
00:41:45
Speaker
It was a song that we included on a 12-inch mini LP that was released in America by a man called, and this is a quality name, a man called Mike Landucci.
00:41:57
Speaker
Mike Landucci. Mike Landucci. And the label had a less quality name, which was Black Bean and Placenta Tape Club. So he ended up releasing this on a 12-inch vinyl record.
00:42:08
Speaker
And we only played it live once. And I remember why we only played it live once. Shall we play the song now? Yeah, I think it's a good song. I listened to it the other day when I was walking the dog.
00:42:21
Speaker
I think it's a jerky, proto-Britpop vibe, and it's unusually cohesive in its lyrics. Music
00:43:11
Speaker
Like a hit record going down. No longer welcome in this town. Like a hit record going down.
00:43:50
Speaker
Something about a neon snake of gas.
00:45:54
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Behind the bar there's no one else
00:46:35
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I thought of something that I wanted to say. Went down the front porch wearing a t-shirt.
00:46:48
Speaker
Yeah, I think I remember what you were getting out there. It's about the hazards of playing with a drum machine, I think. Absolutely, yeah. There's a bit um at the end when the drums drop out and you play the bass line and then Mark comes in on the acoustic guitar.
00:47:03
Speaker
And when we did it live, you obviously couldn't hear the hi-hat. Blame it on the monitors. absolutely Absolutely. Poor monitoring. What can we say? but yeah When the drums came in, it all just fell apart.
00:47:14
Speaker
And, yeah, I've just been looking back at my extensive notes, trying to find through the many, many, many, many gigs that we played. We didn't play many gigs. It was at the loft. According to this, it was in September 1998 that we played with Hiramika Hi-Fi. And that just didn't seem right because I can't remember as playing that song that much.
00:47:36
Speaker
Well, ah I don't know, man. I liked I think we should have played it more. I mean, I've listened to it again a couple of times. Yeah. And I'd listened to it for years. And actually, I think it's it' all right, actually.
00:47:47
Speaker
it doesn't That recording particularly, put it politely, it doesn't sound over-rehearsed. No, I mean, there's a proper guitar flub on the lead guitar bit. I quite like it. I completely miss the strings.
00:47:59
Speaker
There's some dodgy bass playing. There's some bits that I can hear. But Jim's vocals are really good on it. Yeah. And I like Mark singing on it as well. That's good. It's nice that it's a song that's actually, it's about something. You know what mean?
00:48:12
Speaker
I remember writing the lyrics and it was about... It was clearly about sort of like hanging out and going down the pub, you know, like we used to, to the legendary Derby scene pub, the Blessington Carriage, yeah which ah unlike CBGB's is still there, kids. So you can go and visit it and see where it all happened.
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah. can yeah can't You can't smoke in there anymore. You can't smoke in there anymore. But yeah, we spent many, many, many nights in there, usually having quite a good time.
00:48:44
Speaker
But, you know, the lyrics are about, partly about the unobtainability of the barmaid and various other things, really. And there's a line about the jeep outside the jeep boys.
00:48:56
Speaker
I remember I couldn't get the word Landy to scan. Yeah. gon So we used to drive around a Land Rover. Hi, Dick. Hi, Dick. So I substituted it for Jeep, the Jeep Boys.
00:49:08
Speaker
And we had a bath before we went out, you see, to make ourselves feel good. Well, no, that's the lyrics. You know, the lyrics outside the Jeep Boys. What a laugh. Yeah.
00:49:19
Speaker
Something, something, add a bath or something. Yeah. I mean, in the way that my first thought with the the Twinkie song was Stooges much. and With Double Diamond, it's got to be Pavement much. Yeah.
00:49:32
Speaker
I think we tried to rewrite an old song called Jilted G, which we talked about on the episode Obsolete Sunday. And I think that was a ah blatant attempt to write another song that sounds like Jilted G. A bit Jilted G. A bit jerky, a bit lurky. yeah And it's got that sort of like fade out instrumental, not a fade out, it's got that long instrumental section where it sounds a bit like the Pixie song number 13, baby. Oh, yeah. Well, I do love that. Yeah, it's a great song, which is why we tried to write it on Double Diamond and Jilted G. I remember when we went to see them.
00:50:08
Speaker
Yeah. When I went with you to see them at Rock City and they played that. And I really have got, it's like one of those memories that I've got of a gig that like is like really ingrained in my brain, that whole gig. But that song in particular, and it felt like they were kind of like taking off at that point.
00:50:24
Speaker
They had a really impressive light show. Yeah. For those days. and I remember on the play out bit of that song, it just became like a ah sky and of clouds.
00:50:36
Speaker
yeah And it was just beautiful. And it went, I never wanted to stop playing it. No, I know. And they did. They extended that bit, didn't they? And it was so good. And it really like, it's just so amazing. Anyway, I like um ah quite like the way that that song, Dooled Diamond, I quite also like the way it goes back to the start at the end.
00:50:55
Speaker
ah didn't used to like that. I just think that was a bit of an annoying thing. But actually now I listen to again, I think it it kind of works. It's quite good. you think it's saying something about the inevitability of we've gone to the bless, and we've had a bad night, but we're going to go back again? We're going to go do again, yeah. It's like it's like the infinite trips to the Blessington carriage.
00:51:17
Speaker
Absolutely. And Double Diamond, the title is from a ah brand of beer that was a local brewery, and certainly to our area of the East Midlands,
00:51:31
Speaker
But ironically, they didn't serve Double Diamond at the Blessington carriage. Certainly not while we were going there. No, no, they probably stopped serving it everywhere by the time we were going to pubs.
00:51:41
Speaker
Exactly. But i just like the name Double Diamond. I thought it was a good name.
00:51:48
Speaker
Have you got anything else you want to say about Double Diamond? No. Apart from the last time I heard from Mike Landucci. When was the last time you heard from Mike Landucci? I mean, it was probably long, long, long, long time ago because he sent us a very heavy package of records for us, all the way from of And then a couple of months later, he got in touch to say, do you want the rest of the the records that I've got? Because he sold some and then he sent some to us. He said, I'm not going to be able to do anything with them. So you might as well have them.
00:52:25
Speaker
And we said, no, ah he would. He just wanted us to pay him the postage. And I remember we said no. Yeah. It wasn't a particularly good record, that's why. it was not it was not a great one.
00:52:39
Speaker
It was one of one of our one our finest recordings. I didn't like the packaging either. Well, the packaging was fine. you know we yeah We didn't have to pay anything for it. He processed up some records. If you're listening, Mike, thank you very much.
00:52:51
Speaker
But the recordings, we were recorded them all pretty much live. on four track. So some of them were quite loud. And then we did a couple of pretty perfunctory versions of old Johnny Domino songs and just all right stuff on it.
00:53:06
Speaker
Have we played any of it on this podcast? We played Monkey Nuts. And we talked about the song Drunken Master and the artist and New Pink Shirt, which were done in not as good versions.
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah, they weren't as good versions. No. So that's why we didn't want it, because they weren't as good versions of of like previous songs that we'd already done better. Yeah. But that song's all right. That song was good.
00:53:32
Speaker
Was that this version that was actually on the Mike Landucci vinyl? It was, yeah. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. That sounded right. We should have probably got those records. I think it's probably side two, track one. Oh, well.
00:53:43
Speaker
Probably been turned into vases or something. Probably just smashed them all because those limey cocksuckers didn't want his record. So we have reached the end of the podcast on which we heard songs featuring Fish by The Usual Rosie, Gaviscon by Johnny Domino. Is that the title?
00:54:05
Speaker
Gaviscon Double Action. Then we heard Twinkie, Oo Oo Ruby Shmoo and Double Diamond by the Johnny Domino band. At the end of each episode of the podcast, we choose one song to go on to a future best of This Our Johnny Domino compilation.
00:54:22
Speaker
So I think the three but three that are under consideration are possibly Fish by The Usual Rosie. Yeah. What do you think? No. and The Gaviscon song.
00:54:34
Speaker
Yeah. We say yes. And Double Diamond. We say maybe. Yeah, well, it's it's like a double bill, isn't it? Is it Double Domino? It's a Double Domino, Double Bill.
00:54:46
Speaker
I like both of those songs. I think we should include Gaviscon. And I think we're going to write least another so another song before the next very best of comes out.
00:54:58
Speaker
Okay. I'm setting that challenge right there because it's good to us have some new stuff on there. And I think Double Diamond, I think, is hope for contention as well because I quite liked it Put it in the subs pile.
00:55:11
Speaker
Excellent stuff. Thank you for listening to the This Our Johnny Domino podcast. If you're enjoying the podcast, please share. It's not the end. It's not the end yet. Just put pause it there for a minute. Just hold on. Hold on.
00:55:25
Speaker
There's a few loose ends to tie up, I think. A few loose ends. And I don't want to just leave it. Last episode, I mentioned a a book that I've been reading called Street Level Superstar, A Year with Lawrence by Will Hodgkinson.
00:55:39
Speaker
Yeah. You might remember I mentioned it. I finished it. It's a beautiful book. I just want to sort of reiterate what a great book it is. And I think it's only in hardback at the moment, but I think, you know, it will obviously be out in paperback. And when, you know, you should definitely read it, people.
00:55:55
Speaker
If you don't really dig Lawrence or Felt or Go Kart Mozart or Denim or all that kind of stuff, don't let that put you off, really.
00:56:06
Speaker
I think it's a really well-written book. It describes... A man who is simultaneously very annoying and frustrating, who constantly seems to be putting things in the way of his own success, but I don't think he's doing it intentionally.
00:56:25
Speaker
And you shouldn't really like or sympathize him, really, if you sort of like if you if you think about it. But... You do, you do. And, you know, I kind of want to be his friend at the end of it, though he doesn't really have any friends and he doesn't like friends.
00:56:40
Speaker
And, you know, it's a portrait of, it is a portrait of an artist, really. It's a portrait of an artist with a vision and it's an unpopular vision, but it is a vision nonetheless.
Review of 'Street Level Superstar' by Will Hodgkinson
00:56:51
Speaker
And he has kind of made ah the ultimate sacrifice in the form of like having relationships and his health and,
00:57:00
Speaker
But he's still there and he still believes and he's still doing it. Do you know what mean? And, you know, Primitive Painters is like a wonderful, sublime noise of a song.
00:57:13
Speaker
I love it. I absolutely love it. That's by Felt, by the way, if you didn't. yeah And his other stuff is it' interesting. It's interesting. So, yeah, definitely read that.
00:57:25
Speaker
And the other thing I've been getting into on a different tack was ah the Beastie Boys documentary, Beastie Boys Story, which is on Apple TV only, I think, at the moment. And it was directed by Spike Jonze.
00:57:40
Speaker
And... it's It's really great. I mean, it's it's about three friends, really. And it's got some really lovely footage of them as young teens playing hardcore punk and pretending to be run DMC.
00:57:56
Speaker
And the fact is, you know, they always stuck together. they didn't get big and then sort of like split up or whatever they took the whole ride together as it says in the documentary and I think that's a cool thing who's your favourite Beastie boy Steve Adrock Adrock is good I have to say MCA is my man MCA is you know he's the spiritual leader yeah he's the guy and he is the he's the boy and but and the bass player jeez man yeah that guy was a good bass player great bass player And i actually, you know, when I was in New York, as so I did go to ah Beastie Boys Square, which is on Ludlow Suite and Rivington in New York City.
00:58:37
Speaker
And there's a good mural of them. And it's kind of the area that they grew up. And it's kind of cool. It was nice to go there. It was a big mattress leaning up against their mural.
00:58:48
Speaker
Okay. Behind some bins. Yeah, I think that's part of it. It was not part of it, but it kind of added something. Yeah. I thought it was like an installation. ah No, it's a good program. I remember watching that. Have you seen the last ever performance they did?
00:59:02
Speaker
It's the Bonnaroo Music Festival. No, I haven't. It's amazing. I think it was so an anniversary after, obviously, MCA died, and they put it up on YouTube for like a weekend.
00:59:15
Speaker
So ah myself and my wife, ah we watched it and we thought we'd watch a bit of it. And you go, oh, let's just see what they do next. Oh, let's see what they do next. Oh, I love this song. Let's see what they do next.
00:59:26
Speaker
And we just watched the whole thing. And it's an absolute joy. And I think it's on YouTube permanently now. Okay, cool. um if i can If I can find it, I'll send it to you because it is brilliant.
00:59:37
Speaker
I'm going through a bit of a Beastie Boys phase now. Yeah, it's a shame that that Spike Jonze thing is only on Apple because not many people have it. But no, it's good. And if you get a free trial of Apple, it's definitely one of the things you can watch.
00:59:49
Speaker
There's other things to watch on there. White Lotus. The Velvet Underground film. That's a good one. Yeah. You know, you could rinse it in a weekend, you'd be sorted. Yeah, exactly. Anything else we need talk about, Steve?
01:00:01
Speaker
I don't think so. No. But just to underline the fact, the underlying desperate need for engagement. If you've got old music that you've recorded back in your youth and you want it broadcasting on the podcast and you want us to listen to it,
01:00:14
Speaker
please send it to us and if it's on cassette that is not a barrier to engaging you can just send it to me and i've got a tape deck we have got the product placement engagement opportunity yeah write a song write a song about a product that you love and and or hate or something that you love and or hate yeah great just vent it that'd be fantastic If you want to write a jingle to go with Wilbraham's wonderful jingle for the Derby music scene segment, please send it through to us.
01:00:45
Speaker
If you've got any music that might be brand new that you're working on and you want us to talk about, that'd be great. And if you know of any Derby music bands that we should be talking about, either because you thought they were great or because you thought they were shit, send us notice and we'll we'll track them down and we'll include some stuff.
01:01:03
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Cool. All right. I think that's it. Until next time, Steve. A bientôt. A bientôt. Monsieur.