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Watch out, Giles is definitely 'on one' in today's episode, and poor old Steve does an excellent job of riding this particular train to Domino town!
Listen and find out our thoughts on The Fall and Nick Cave, and how Giles has got over his ‘Mr Brightside’ aversion.
Featuring tunes by friends of the show Motorcade One and Simon from The Tidmoth Sheds.
As well as the usual mix of obscure gubbins from the JD’s back catalogue, recent noodlings, unpopular opinions about music, brotherly banter and poems.
Related audiovisual material can be enjoyed on our blog.
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Podcast artwork by Giles Woodward
Edited by Steve Woodward at PodcastingEditor.com
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:01
Speaker
Look down the road in the sun. I make a path through a 40-strong gang. I'm fit and working again. i think the sick we've seen the tail end I'm fit and working again.
00:00:14
Speaker
ah used to hang like a chandelier. My lungs encrusted in blood. But the flex is now cooked clear. MUSIC PLAYS
00:00:44
Speaker
Hello and welcome to another episode of This Art, Johnny Domino, a light-hearted, musical, mirthful podcast or hoho featuring myself, Steve, and my brother Giles.
Giles's Quirky Anecdotes
00:00:58
Speaker
It sounds like it's going to be really funny, so I really hope it is today because it might not be. But I just feel like Alan Minter, I just ate eight sheets of blotting paper and tripped out on the Alka-Seltzer.
00:01:10
Speaker
Have you been listening to The Fall this week?
Favorite 'The Fall' Songs Discussion
00:01:12
Speaker
I have been listening to The Fall, particularly the song that I was just quotating the lyrics from, ah hu which is Fit and Working Again.
00:01:21
Speaker
Yes, which is from my favourite Fall album, Palace of Swords reversed. It's not normally regarded as a Fall album. It's a compilation. Fuck off.
00:01:32
Speaker
There you go. It's not canon, but I think it's also probably my favourite Fall album. Yeah. I really like it. It's a great collection. My favourite Fall song is on there. Which is?
00:01:43
Speaker
Wings. Wings is favourite Fall song. Yeah. It's a great guitar sound. It's a great riff. just goes on and on and rolling and rolling and rolling. It's fantastic. Do you know, though there's something about The Fall where I go for ages without listening to The Fall, but then when I get into a Fall mood...
00:02:01
Speaker
You can't get out. The fall is the thing that I want to hear. I just, I want that fall and I'm going to just keep going with the fall for while.
Connection to 'We Are The Fall' Podcast
00:02:09
Speaker
I've been listening to fall podcast as well.
00:02:13
Speaker
Okay. Have you heard We Are The Fall podcast? No, haven't. It's quite good, actually. like Cool. if These are two American dudes, Gavin and Steve, and they dissect albums and sort of like rare things as well.
00:02:27
Speaker
You know, and they quite often play through fall albums that they've never heard. It's quite good. The most recent episode is about Marshall Suite The 1999 album, where okay which I bought, which was when The Fall kind of started going off a little bit, to be honest.
00:02:42
Speaker
And it's it's quite funny, actually, because these two American guys talking about The Fall, they're like talking about something that's quite alien to them in a way.
00:02:53
Speaker
It's a bit like listening to some blokes from Witness making a podcast about Fella Cootie or something like that. Yeah. You know, really appreciate it. something that's quite different to their reality.
00:03:04
Speaker
And they talk about touch sensitive from the Marshall suite in the most recent episode. And, uh, it was used in a Vauxhall Corsair advert and they're they're talking about, Oh, is a Vauxhall Corsair a cool car?
00:03:18
Speaker
ah Okay. You know, is it a cool car? Let's look. So yeah, it's quite good. I'd listen to it. There's another full podcast, which you're going to tell us about. I thought that's what you were Googling, man.
00:03:30
Speaker
But you weren't, were you? You weren't, were you? What were you Googling, man? I was Googling the fact that there is a book coming. I don't know if it's out already or if it's coming out. It's called You Must Get Them All.
00:03:41
Speaker
And it's basically every fall album. discussed stories of that kind of thing. Yeah. Sounds quite interesting. It does sound quite good. My window of the fall is one that you created with the albums that you bought.
00:03:56
Speaker
So it's Mark Reilly era. Yeah, yeah. As i was covered in Palace of Swords reversed up to i Am Curious Orange. that's That's like my key area.
00:04:07
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of liking. But I think the complete Peel Sessions box set, I've got that. And that's Yeah. they Sort of the key texts. Man, you could do it you could do without the rest, but there's interesting stuff there as well, now as they discover in the podcast.
Life Updates and Social Gatherings
00:04:22
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, like Fit and Working Again is a song that I've been listening to quite a lot because I'm kind of relating to it because I'm going back to work, you see. I know. You know, Fit and Working Again, man. Excellent.
00:04:33
Speaker
Yeah, before we get into playing some songs and stuff, Steve, normally we'll have a little chat at the start of the episode about what you've been doing. well What have you been doing, man? I haven't seen you much, have I, really?
00:04:46
Speaker
No, no, well, we've been away and elsewhere. We had a ah nice week away just before the inevitable return to school happened in the middle of last week. What about you? What have to?
00:04:58
Speaker
Well, I've been doing a few little trips and stuff, but went to a wedding yesterday. ah o i was quite fun. It was a beautiful wedding, actually. I've seen photos of the wedding that you went to.
00:05:12
Speaker
I've seen photos. I didn't send you photographs of the wedding. No, but you sent them to Dad, so I've seen Oh, there you go. Right, okay. So, yeah, I went to this wedding. It was a very beautiful wedding. It was a colleague of my partner.
00:05:23
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so And I kind of knew some people there. And it was in a it was in a field and they'd got like a marquee and lights and stuff and there was food trucks. It like a little festival kind of vibe.
00:05:37
Speaker
And hay bales to sit on. it was It was really good. i mean, it was like it worked out exactly as they'd imagined it really because the weather was so good and it was great.
00:05:47
Speaker
But, you know, wedding music, wedding disco music.
Wedding Music Preferences
00:05:51
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's inevitable, isn't it? Really? You're going to hear some killers, aren't you? You know where I'm going with this. can smell Mr. Brightside on the wind. You know where I'm going with this. You know my least favourite song of all time?
00:06:05
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that Yes. The aforementioned Mr. Brightside. By the killers, ryan That's like, that is bound to turn up. And it did. It did. Right? But it was funny because I said to my mate Dave, I said, you know, they're going to play a song in a minute because I could sort of feel the way the music was going, right? It was heading towards that section, right? They'd had the Motown bit.
00:06:26
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They were heading towards the kind of 2000s indie section. And I said to him, I said, you know, there's a song that i really hate coming up. and And he said, is it Mr. Brightside? And he hated as well.
00:06:39
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Nice. And it wasn't because I hated it cool But then he told me something has kind of helped me deal with the fact that this is such a terrible song.
00:06:51
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and Because i I kind of have quite a visceral reaction to it. It makes me not want to be in a room. It makes me leave places. But he told me a really good thing that's going to help me cope.
00:07:03
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Have you ever heard of the phrase soaking? Yeah. Or the practice of soaking. No. It sounds no slightly unsavory, but carry on. No, well, but fact you know, let's I'll flag this all because yeah it could... Don't listen to this one in the car with your young children.
00:07:20
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like Okay. So the killers, famously, Brandon Flowers is a... a Mormon. Of the Mormon religion, right? Yeah. Yeah. Now, soaking is a practice of having sexual intercourse used by the Mormons where they get around the prohibition of having premarital sex.
00:07:40
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Basically, they kind of lie completely still. So they they will enter enter into the sexual position. Jesus.
00:07:52
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but But then not not move. Okay. Not move. It's the moving that's bad. Right. But then there's an extra bit soak in, which is like an optional extra, where they get a third party.
00:08:07
Speaker
What? To come and shove the bed. What, repeatedly? Repeatedly, shoot the bed. Well, that is. So then it's not having sex because they're not moving. They're staying still.
00:08:20
Speaker
Oh, what a crock. a That's real. He told me this, and i was like, the this is not real. And i yeah obviously, it is. I Googled it. It's real. Right. So now, when I listen to Mr. Brightside, I don't feel bad. I just think about that.
00:08:35
Speaker
And does that make you... and don but' just think I just think about Brandon Flowers doing that Jesus that's terrible maybe maybe ah another member of the killers shoving the bed soaking soaking Steve That's it.
00:08:52
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who I don't want to get too, look, I mean, can we just say as well, I've not got anything against anyone who's got any religion or Mormons or anything. anything i just I just really hate that song, man. And it's just the thought of that just makes me, I can cope with it now.
00:09:05
Speaker
well So I'm looking forward to the next wedding. Excellent. Yeah. Played at yours. Well, that is not going to get played in mind. Seriously, no. That's something we can talk about in the next few f episodes, perhaps. I could start discussing possible music arrangements for my forthcoming wedding.
00:09:25
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Well, there you go. So, you know, that's something to look forward to, kids. I might create a 10-hour version of Mr. Brightside. Sneaking onto the playlist. It's not going to happen. It's not going happen. It might do.
00:09:40
Speaker
It's time for the This Art Journey. Domino Podcast, time for some very obscure music. Judd Giles and Steve will probably harp you about something pointless, oh yeah.
00:09:57
Speaker
The PRF Tribute Series. yes.
PRF Tribute Series Explained
00:10:00
Speaker
It's a musical collaboration of international artists based in Chicago, I believe. Yep. Every month an artist is picked and the people who are involved with the PRF Monthly Tribute Series will submit their own versions of songs, whether it's a cover version by that artist, a song about said artist,
00:10:20
Speaker
or just anything which is related to the artist in a kind It's a competition, Steve. It's a competition. It's a competition. Yes, yes, yes. And you find me again. Yet again, we have been denied in our quest for songwriting superiority.
00:10:36
Speaker
Or song playing, because a lot of it... Because you you have to write a song or play a song, do a cover, which relates to the month's artist. And last month, it was Nick Cave.
00:10:47
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Yes. And we got song together, didn't we, Steve? We did. And we did not win again. Yes. And I, of course, can deal with that quite well. been very sanguine. But I think you have been struggling with it, haven't you?
00:11:03
Speaker
You've been struggling with it a bit. There's been much gnashing of teeth and the lashing of my back and things like that. I mean, look, but I'll be honest. This is this is a bit I'm not really bothered. um we We managed to get Yes, yes, yes.
00:11:18
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We managed to get it in on the evening of August the 31st. Yes, the deadline. It was absolutely completely in the death throes of the whole thing.
00:11:29
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I was just amazed how many cover versions there There were quite a few submitted at the last minute. Loads. yeah We were like number 22 and it got up to 30 by the end of the day.
00:11:39
Speaker
It's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. I've listened to most of them. Mm-hmm. I still really don't like Nick Cave that much. I think he's one of those people that I like some of his songs.
00:11:50
Speaker
Some of his songs I really like feel like. Maybe two or three of his songs I really like. But I can't listen to his albums. don't know. It's just me. I don't know. There's something about the tone of it. I think he's an interesting guy.
00:12:02
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I i think my a lot of my problem with Nick Cave stems from the sorts of people who like Nick Cave. Oh, Steve. And it's similar to my feelings about... He was going to make any friends with this kind man. It's similar feelings about The Clash.
00:12:17
Speaker
Jesus, man. Listenership's going down as we speak. The grass going down, man. The grass going down. are like ah Women?
00:12:28
Speaker
No. no o a Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Come on. Mormons, yeah. Anyway, Nick Cave, right? Yeah.
Exploring Skinny Puppy
00:12:37
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We didn't win. So we didn't get chosen this month's artist, did we, Steve? No, we didn't.
00:12:42
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And I reckon we would have chosen something quite good, wouldn't we, Steve? Well, I think we would have done. Yeah, but what has been chosen, Steve? It's a band called Skinny Puppy. I mean, I remember them being featured in Melody Maker in the late eighty s theyre like and They're the kind of synthesizer industrial band, like Ministry.
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah, they are. Which, you know, it's like, we're we're transgressive. But it sounds like the kind of thing you'd hear in like an 80s disco. but I've been listening to... Well, I didn't. I haven't been listening to.
00:13:15
Speaker
I did, you know, I thought, well, i'm gonna I'm going to take part in this. I'm going to listen to some Skinny Puppy and I'm going to go, let's listen to the top five Skinny Puppy songs. And... musically didn't like it lyrically and vocally really didn't like it the lyrics are rubbish I mean you know that's my opinion i think they're rubbish so I'm not really i'm I'm struggling to find something good in there to do something with yeah So don't know whether we're going to take part in this month, but we'll see.
00:13:46
Speaker
I think we can find a way. Well, we struggled with Nick Cave, didn't we? But then we just found a way around it and made something bit weird. We did, we found a way. Let's have a little bit of background. Skinny Puppy, a Canadian electro-industrial band formed in Vancouver in 1982.
00:14:00
Speaker
Founders of industrial rock and electro-industrial genres. Very important band, I'm sure, you know. I'm sure many people love them. Industrial rock and electro-industrial genre. Yeah. No. Not really where I'm at, I'll be honest. So you're not the sort of person who goes, hi, I'm Steve.
00:14:14
Speaker
I like industrial. Or I like electro-industrial. I like any industrial, mate. I like industrial music. Anyway, Motorcade 1. Made a good Nick Cave song, didn't they? Really great. I think the kind of mind that makes this sort of sideways leap with a song which is so beloved as the one that he did a version of is, i mean, it's chef's kiss. It's just, it's a beautiful thing.
00:15:20
Speaker
If did, I would kneel down and ask you
00:15:26
Speaker
Not to intervene when it came to you Oh, not to touch it on your head Leave you as you are, if he felt he has to direct you Then direct you into my arms Into my arms, oh Lord, into my arms Oh Lord, it's in my arms Oh Lord
00:16:21
Speaker
If did, would still learn together. And
00:16:28
Speaker
ask them to watch over you. Both to each burn candle for you. To make it brighter you have. And walk like Christ, he creates an earth and guide you into
Creative Music Process Reflections
00:16:40
Speaker
my arms.
00:16:43
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Into my arms. Oh Lord, into my arms. Oh Lord, into my arms.
00:17:37
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Oh Lord,
00:18:15
Speaker
Yeah. I just think that's genius. Yeah, it works. I don't really care how they did it, but it just works, man. It just works. I mean, i like to hear somebody struggling to fit some lyrics in.
00:18:28
Speaker
Yes. But he did it, right? is it It was game, right? Yeah. That one should have won. well For my money, that should have won, right? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, but... That's just me and my weird little taste. That's how it goes. But yeah, that's the kind of thing that I want to hear from the PRF tribute series.
00:18:46
Speaker
I cannot wait to hear what Ian does for the Skinny Puppy Challenge. Matt, I think even Ian's going to struggle. The raw material's just not there. It's difficult to find an in with it.
00:18:57
Speaker
The lyrics are very...
Overcoming Musical Challenges
00:19:00
Speaker
Oh God, it's bad poetry. well iss It's trying so hard to be transgressive, isn't it? I'm trying to find a song there that doesn't, you know, that's got like some words that aren't giving me the ick, that aren't about like blood and viscera and stuff.
00:19:19
Speaker
Anyway, you know how I feel about viscera? from my working life in arts marketing anything that said it's a visceral performance he's like really is it is it are you really getting your guts out yeah I'm gonna get all my viscera all over the stage no it's just shocking hate it hate it hate it hate it so yeah we struggled with the Nick Cave thing because we were on holiday and stuff yeah so we knocked something together didn't we Steve Well, I recorded a little tiny bit of music in response to a prompt from yourself.
00:19:52
Speaker
Oh, it's a glimpse behind the curtain, is it? Yeah, let's look behind the curtain, inside the clown's pocket. And don't know what saying. And then you came around and you said, we've got a ah we've got three verses, want chorus there, chorus there, chorus there, make that bit longer, and that was it.
00:20:10
Speaker
Yeah, it was a good way of working. I liked it. I think we should do more stuff like it, to be honest. yeah And this is a song called Nick Cave in Colourful Clothes. And it's about a rare thing.
00:20:23
Speaker
So like Nick Cave in Colourful Clothes is a rare thing, right? So it's about stuff that doesn't happen very often or is very rarely found. And that's it, really.
00:20:40
Speaker
It's a bit like Nick Cave in colourful clothes Voynich manuscript a Buddha hand It's Nick Cave in colourful clothes
00:20:54
Speaker
It's a bit like Nick Cave in colourful clothes Voynich manuscript a Buddha hand
00:21:17
Speaker
It's going to transform my life, reduce my stress, recalibrate my space.
00:21:28
Speaker
We are the new Avengers, not the old Avengers, the new ones. The old ones are dead, and now we are new, slightly worse but new.
00:21:42
Speaker
I have seen my future and it's living in a vine. If you keep on moving, they can't get you.
00:22:09
Speaker
It's a bit like Nick Cave in colourful clothes. Voynich manuscripts I put hand.
00:22:23
Speaker
It's a bit like Nick Cave in colourful clothes.
00:23:04
Speaker
You are selling me a perfect necktree And you are selling me a dream of tomorrow New Year's Day
00:23:17
Speaker
It was the first of September That day I'll always remember Yes I will Cause that was the day my hamster died
00:23:59
Speaker
It's a bit like Nick Cave in colourful clothes. Voynich's manuscript to put it high. It's Nick Cave in colourful clothes. And there it ends.
00:24:12
Speaker
And it's perhaps not surprising that that one didn't win. Perhaps less surprising than the motorcade one track. Yeah. Not winning, I suppose. But we had fun.
00:24:24
Speaker
We had fun. If anyone was out there enjoying that, you know, having a bit of a dance to that one. ah Sorry to let you know that every other song in this episode is not really that danceable. So sorry, you're going to have to find your groove somewhere else.
00:24:38
Speaker
Well, you know. You might have enjoyed that. Yeah, you might not. Some good guitar on there, Steve. Thank you very You're for it there. You're definitely externalizing something. Well, it was... you that day? No, but I had my rat pedal plugged in for the first time in years.
00:24:53
Speaker
And I very much enjoyed that. Did a bit of slide. And I couldn't find any plectrums apart from some metal plectrums. So it was played with metal plectrums. It was all very... I can feel that. P-I-L.
00:25:05
Speaker
I can feel that anger. ah Anger is an energy. Very nice. Let's not forget that. Yeah, but ah but I wasn't feeling particularly angry. I was just enjoying myself. Well, don't know. I feel some subliminal anger in there. well I enjoyed it too.
00:25:20
Speaker
Thank you. Well done. Well done. Yeah, well done us. Well done. Well done you. Well done us. Well, aren't we great? Apparently not. There you go. There you go. No, isn't it?
00:25:33
Speaker
No, no. isn't it A couple couple of episodes ago we were talking about the band Iris. you remember, Steve? Yes, yes, I do remember. in On the Derby scene. I do remember. The listeners may remember this, if they've heard that f episode.
00:25:46
Speaker
And it was a little bit controversial, as usual, because I was expressing my enjoyment and love of the Iris song, which was called What the Hell Happened?
00:25:57
Speaker
Anyway, it's good song. And you were saying that you didn't like it very much, or in in not so many words. And we had a little bit of ah um a text chain with Phil Wagg, who is the singer from Iris.
00:26:13
Speaker
Yes. And there's a bit of it that's kind of made me go into a bit of a crisis of confidence, and I'm a little bit worried about it. So can I just read you a few things from it? Yes. See if you see if you think um it's me being paranoid. and Okay.
00:26:26
Speaker
Okay, so I sort of, you know, there's a little bit of a thing where you talk and then I go, great to hear from you, Phil. Thanks for reaching out. I really love that song. It's young and daft in the right way.
00:26:37
Speaker
Keep in touch and send us some more stuff to play. I thought that was nice and positive, right? And then he says, thanks. I'm not going to read his whole thing, but he talks about the fact that our interpretation of his song was completely wrong.
00:26:48
Speaker
because i was sort of saying it was about like a Randy Euston Derby, but it's not. It's about when he first got married in 98. And the first verse and chorus are referenced to and not beautiful bum, but it's beautiful bump.
00:27:04
Speaker
because obviously his missus is pregnant and the second verse him feeling terrified at the thought of having kids so I completely got the wrong end of the stick and and he says he was not Randy he was just shitting himself and so and then he says oh I know one of you guys hated the song and that's okay There are very many Irish songs that make me put my head in and in my hands and mutter what we'll be thinking.
00:27:33
Speaker
There you go. And then he's going to send us some stuff from the Electric Pets, which is his band, right, which is good. And we'd like to hear that, wouldn't we? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, Electric Pets.
00:27:43
Speaker
I've not heard any of their stuff. No. And then I say, and thanks for the clarification of the lyrics. I think it's really interesting how songs can mean different things to a listener. whatever your initial intentions. I think that is right? Yeah, absolutely. You don't always get the meaning that the songwriter intended, and that's kind of cool, isn't it? don't think that's an issue, right? I think the final part of the creation of any artwork is supplied by the viewer and from the ball.
00:28:16
Speaker
Or absorber, or however you want to put it. Yo, man, and that's Berry right there. Thanks. Right, okay. and then then And then he goes, and to be fair, one of the reasons we made the podcast was to play the kind of shit that we made that otherwise would make us want to hide our head in the sand.
00:28:35
Speaker
Cheers, dude. Thumbs up. I did a thumbs up emoji. Okay. And then and this is the bit that kind of confused me. He wrote... Ha ha ha, full stop.
00:28:48
Speaker
Gotcha, full stop. You see that, I'm not sure, that sounds like an evil villain to me. Ha ha ha, gotcha.
00:29:00
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Could it be that? Or maybe it means, already I understand you. Got you. I've got you.
00:29:09
Speaker
I think that's what he means. she's saying but you know I think he could be. Ha ha ha. Gotcha. He's trapped me into admitting that the podcast is just us playing crap songs that we made in the past.
00:29:29
Speaker
don't know, man. I've been thinking about this for weeks now. You've been thinking about it too much. I can tell you that now. I'm sure that's what he means is, ha, ha, ha, I understand no hard feelings, that kind of thing.
00:29:40
Speaker
Because he needed to have a copy of the song that we played. He needed to have a copy of the song that we played because he didn't have one. He hadn't heard it in about 30-odd years. So I said, all right, I'll send you an MP3. So I communicated with him.
00:29:54
Speaker
on email and he was perfectly delightful. That's right then. Okay, good. I'm glad we got that straight. This is the thing that I would do. Yeah. Anyway, I've got a poem.
Poetic Reflections on Cancer Treatment
00:30:05
Speaker
Oh, good. Yeah. This is like regular health content, right? Yeah. Because obviously I'll go through cancer treatment, blab bla blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, right.
00:30:15
Speaker
And i'm going to do a poem. You're going to put some nice musical bed beneath it. yeah like This is a poem and it's called... Julie from Mapley and Victoria Practice.
00:30:28
Speaker
Okay. And it's kind of, is it a poem? It's kind of more like an M. It kind of starts off not very poetical and then ends up as a poem. Okay. Right?
00:30:41
Speaker
Regular appointment to receive life-saving cancer drug cancelled due to staff illness. I don't want to make a fuss, but apparently it stops it spreading.
00:30:55
Speaker
After much asking and searching and spreadsheets and ringing and looking, there is nothing for a month.
00:31:04
Speaker
I kind of need life-saving cancer's drug. I make a fuss, but it does no good. Now I have the drug. but no one to shoot it into me.
00:31:18
Speaker
Maybe I can administer it myself, perhaps as a suppository. Can I hire a nurse on Facebook Marketplace? Dark clouds are brewing as I enter the crying and banging my head on the desk stage.
00:31:35
Speaker
Then, as I stand in the backyard on a muggy slate day, she calls with a voice so sweet and tender And as I listen to her tell me that there's been a cancellation, I feel the soft autumn rain fall on my face and think maybe this is God and that Julie, from Mapley and Victoria practice, is an angel.
00:32:04
Speaker
And as John Coltrane plays after the rain, I hear the sound of a human being who is completely understanding the finite nature of existence and the serious business of appreciating that they woke up again today.
00:32:33
Speaker
Jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle. Is that all right? I love that Coltrane track. an amazing Coltrane track.
00:32:44
Speaker
Do you like the poem? Beautiful.
00:32:52
Speaker
is that all right i love that cold trade it's an amazing tall train train yeah yeah like like the poem beautiful Yeah. Beautiful. Well done. It's this reason I lived the experience, man.
00:33:04
Speaker
Dude.
00:33:07
Speaker
Heavy. But you know what? You just can't get it. It's mad, isn't it? Right. You can't get the stuff. You can't. You need the stuff. you can't what You can't get the stuff in you. Unbelievable.
00:33:19
Speaker
Crazy, man.
Health Challenges and Personal Stories
00:33:21
Speaker
Right. Oh, yeah. I've been, you know, I'm all right. I have to say I am okay for listeners. You know, things things are um all all right. I feel pretty steady, to be honest.
00:33:33
Speaker
I'm going back to work and I definitely feel a lot better after the radiotherapy. But it's, you know, the whole thing kind of makes me Moody is a motherfucker.
00:33:46
Speaker
And I've got many stories of me being ridiculous. You know, i was I was involved in a tussle with another middle-aged man at my son's gig.
00:34:00
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The Rosettis. The Rosettis. Now, did tell you this? No, you didn't. This is a good story. Oh, Jesus. So my son is it a very talented musician. They're going to check out the band Rosettes. We'll play them soon.
00:34:13
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um But, you know, they don't they don't need us. And the they did a gig and it was in the basement of a Nottingham pub. It was crowded. It was packed. It was hot.
00:34:25
Speaker
Yeah. And... I was hogging the air conditioning unit, right? I was standing in front of the air conditioning unit. Bear in mind, I'm on hormone therapy, which means that I get very overheated.
00:34:39
Speaker
And everyone else in the room, pretty much most of the other people in the room, were like under 18. Yeah. but yeah the Their constitution is probably ad lit, right? So I was. I was hogging that thing, right? And then this guy comes up to me and goes, stop hogging the air conditioning unit.
00:34:58
Speaker
And it didn't sort of like get into blows, but I did call him a fascist.
00:35:06
Speaker
I did call him a fascist. And then in my head, I've now got a kind of a erotic fantasy of the two of us. wrestling on the floor like two silverbacks in front of a crowd of squawking chimpanzees. Right. um as Because I was inconsiderate to hog the fan.
00:35:26
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But we were both partly right.
00:35:30
Speaker
Well, I don't know where the word fascist came from. Fascist, man. He's like, you know, he's like being very authoritarian. Well, he said it was like in a rig that rigged the young ones' use of the word fascist. Okay, right. So not understanding what fascism means. It sounds like it was more of a... It was a very loose. Okay.
00:35:50
Speaker
But, you know, excellent. So that's that's a that's medication for you. yeah You know, that's medication. That's what it does to you. yeah But it was all good fun. was all good fun. I mean, it's like all of this stuff has been quite, you know, it's interesting.
00:36:04
Speaker
It is. It's boring. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm not saying this stuff to complain. It's just, you know, yeah. Lolz. For the lolz.
00:36:16
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For the lolz.
00:36:20
Speaker
I wasn't sure about the Johnny Domino podcast, but I gave it a chance. And now I think I love it. We have a lot of recurring features on this podcast. One of the longest standing recurring features is the eternal halls of the four track gods.
00:36:37
Speaker
Say again, but do it properly. No, you've got to do it. No, you do it this time. It's your turn. The eternal halls of the four track gods. Gods. Gods.
00:36:52
Speaker
It feels weird. that It feels like I'm in someone else's trousers. It was nice. yeah stop In the initial ah formation of this feature, it was for people to send in recordings that are recorded in their youth that they're mildly embarrassed by. Yeah. now you Rough. Fucking rough, aren't we, Steve? We want it, man. We want it rough.
00:37:12
Speaker
want it rough and preferably before your voice breaks if you're a man. No, love it start stop it. No, but it started with me doing... It is not a completely prepubescent recording that we did years and years and years ago. Okay, but it's developing. It's developing. It's no longer necessarily about that. It's about, think about the fact that you've probably got a song, you want to write a song, you've got something there, but there's barriers, right? yeah you know You know, you'll do it when you get a better PC or when you get a good microphone.
00:37:45
Speaker
or when you blah-de-blah buy a new guitar, or when you've got time, right? Don't do that. Don't do that. Just do what our good friend Simon Gate Mouth Richardson does, right?
00:37:58
Speaker
Just get your phone, record the song, Send it to us. Yes. Right. We'll play it. Get it out there. Right. Then you can go and re-record it and make it fancy and teach band how to play it. Right. yeah Just play us that song.
00:38:15
Speaker
And then me and Steve will midwife that song and we'll hold that squalling bloody mess into the ear and dangle it for everyone to see.
Eternal Halls of the 4-Track Gods
00:38:26
Speaker
And we will exclaim, this exists. Yes. Yes. But we would probably say being the kind of indie wankers that we are, we prefer the early stuff. um But, you know, that's just for us to deal with. That's our cross to bear. Yeah. So so Simon sent us a lovely song.
00:38:42
Speaker
Yeah. And some words about it. He did. Bless him. Hi Giles and Steve and the listener. Thanks for yet again putting some of my crap on your show. The song Black Magic, Black Plastic is based around an old lyric from way back in the late noughties when I was in a band called Dean Queasy.
00:39:03
Speaker
It's a vague story of walking in the streets of Glasgow, looking at all the lights and thinking about how simultaneously the planet is roaring through space at some mental speed. So it's kind of sci-fi images mixed with the more mundane earthbound thoughts.
00:39:19
Speaker
The chorus is a recent addition which lifts directly from one of Lee Scratch Perry's rambling song intros on the album he made with On You Sounds in the 80s called Time Boom, The Devil Dead.
00:39:30
Speaker
Here he kind of investing black plastic, i.e. records, with the power of magic and equating magic to the power of nature. um I believe nature is music and music is nature. So it kind of has made sense as a sort of answer to the more confused ideas of the verses.
00:39:50
Speaker
It's probably about the fourth chorus that I've put on this song. I think at one point it was called I'm going to get me some justice. I'm going to get me some justice.
00:40:02
Speaker
And another time it was called rolling along. We're all rolling along. We're all just rolling along. so But I think this is the best version so far. This particular recording was made on my phone as a demo for a music stroke video performance at this year's North Berwick Film Festival.
00:40:18
Speaker
and You can see the video of Caroline and myself at the performance on my Instagram. and We're still currently working on the track with the rest of the band, Tidmouth Sheds, and we'll update you when we get ah get it right and get around to making a decent recording of it.
00:40:35
Speaker
All right, thanks again for playing, and that's it. Okay, i hope that's all right. Bye.
00:41:13
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Are you going to? Will you want you? Left my life at your name on time And I've been living on my face And so I do be Traveling with the beauty
00:41:45
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Black magic, black plastic.
00:42:19
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Never look at
00:42:42
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What will become of the moon? Oh, you need black magic, black plastic. Black magic, black plastic.
00:43:23
Speaker
Well, are you going to inspect the galaxy? Look at the awesome kind of feeling. We'll leave it in space code.
00:43:37
Speaker
Get it from the black hole. Take off your conscious mind. I'd rather keep this good out there, son.
00:43:51
Speaker
Black keepers puttin' out the sun And we need Blackmagic Blackbast in Rick
00:44:23
Speaker
And thanks to Simon for sending us that. Yeah, it's great. Very, very fun. You know, I realised last time we played a song for Simon was last September.
00:44:34
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. yank It kind of suits this time a year, doesn't Yeah. Was that the All Them Trimmings? No, it was when he sent us one another song, another kind of kitchen phone recording.
00:44:48
Speaker
Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ah it's like the seasons. He comes around with the seasons. Season of Simon. I enjoyed that. And the point, I was trying to labour at the start of that little section there.
00:45:02
Speaker
was, you know, the Eternal Halls of the 4-track gods. You know, let's expand it a little bit, right? It's not necessarily about stuff that you recorded on a 4-track when you were, you know, a kid or when, you know, when you were a teenager whatever.
00:45:18
Speaker
doesn't have to be even recorded on a 4-track. It's just rough. Rough-ass stuff. You know? Just... Record something. Send it to us. The land where the fire is low. Yes.
00:45:30
Speaker
That's it. That's it. Be heroic in your attitude. Sweet. Anyway, like I think Simon Gates' Marth Richardson is. He's showing some heroism there.
00:45:43
Speaker
It's heroic. It's heroic sounding song. The This Art Johnny Domino podcast. It's got bongos. If you look at the cover art for this podcast, you will see there is a subtitle, which is How Not to Succeed at Music.
00:45:58
Speaker
Now, the song that I've chosen for us to listen to today within the group, sorry, it sounds like went some weird seminar, is a song called We Are Sleeping.
Learning from Musical Past
00:46:08
Speaker
And it's from an album by Johnny Domino called The First 100 Years, which we've previously talked about, which is, let's call it, it's the Miserable album.
00:46:16
Speaker
We were playing lots of songs quite slowly with not a huge amount of instruments on it. And for some reason, we were quite definitely rehearsing these songs, almost as if we were going to play them live.
00:46:33
Speaker
We never did play them live. But no we we practiced them, didn't we? We did. We practiced them all right away. The reason I've chosen this song is because it illustrates the fact that you should always follow your gut instinct and try not to second guess yourself.
00:46:51
Speaker
Because when we first started playing this song... It had a ludicrous guitar solo on it. I think I was trying to channel Slash from the November Rain song in a very, I can't play as well as Slash sort of way.
00:47:06
Speaker
You were going for it. It's histrionic. But when we recorded it for the album... I did it on a clean guitar sound and it's it just sounds crap. Now I was going through an old mini disc. God, I used to love my mini disc player.
00:47:20
Speaker
We used to record our rehearsals in the bedroom at mum and dad's house. And it was one of many versions of this song. And one of the things I used to love about mini discs is the fact that you could edit things very, very tightly.
00:47:33
Speaker
You could chop bits from different recordings, stick them at the ends of different recordings and bob them all together. I've obviously done that with this because part of it is a recording on the 8-track and then it goes into a version which is live in the bedroom that we've recorded vocals on top.
00:47:49
Speaker
And it features my original slightly crappy guitar solo, but it's more heroic than the version that was released. So we're going for heroism again. i think You think it's more heroic? I think it is it a little bit, and I don't know why I bottled it.
00:48:04
Speaker
i mean, it's an album that no one ever heard, so I might as well have gone for it. So what are you saying, the lesson that you're teaching us here? Yeah. is that don't hold back and don't edit yourself to too much. Yes.
00:48:18
Speaker
Because I think that's what we did. we kind of practiced it and practiced it and edited it too much until it became not the thing that it could have been. No. So we're not going to listen to the bad version.
00:48:29
Speaker
No. We're going listen to a version that, well, I don't know what mean. I don't know whether it's any good, but haven't heard it for ages, but you're going to play it to us now.
00:49:35
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See forever And look behind the stars
00:50:07
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Send us spinning Guide us if we stray I am weak, my load is heavy Help me prevail
00:51:09
Speaker
Brother, are sleeping, but when you wake be afraid. Sister, you are sleeping, when
00:51:47
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We are sleeping, but when wake up, we won't be afraid. We are sleeping, but when we wake up, we won't be afraid.
00:52:46
Speaker
I think he could have gone a bit madder with the guitar. could have done it. It's quite a tame guitar sound. It's still pretty tame anyway, man. But I didn't go for it. So that's the crazier version. Well, it's the less... I mean, you see, on a completely clean guitar sound, it's very, very tasteful.
00:53:43
Speaker
But it was one of those things that probably did it in rehearsal and it made us laugh. But yeah, I could have gone a bit further. i think another lesson for everybody. Yeah. Don't do it. It's kind of, that song, kind pastoral, isn't it? Pastoral.
00:53:59
Speaker
Violence pastoral. Violence pastoral. And I think it's, I like the fact that Jim is magpying most of the lyrics so from Graham Parsons' In My Hour of Darkness.
00:54:11
Speaker
pretty Yeah, I think it was, yeah. It's a lot of those words just lifted straight out. We're trying to do that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't we've decided to go all spiritual the album, but to know yeah I think I prefer this. I like the fact you've got this sort of like quite a clean eight track version at the start or maybe a bloody four track.
00:54:31
Speaker
And then it just cuts into the room recording. Yeah. I like the the backing vocals. don't know if I'm on one of them because it sounds like the kind of pitchiness that i tend to bring to the harmonies in the right ear possibly.
00:54:44
Speaker
And then you're in the left ear. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, ah i guess there's is no one's going to be surprised if I say i kind of prefer the kind of more all out guitar effect that you got on our more recent song that we played earlier on in the episode. Yeah. um I don't think it's worthy of the best of i don't think going on the next compilation, but maybe, I don't know. not sure. I just think, you know, just sit with it for a bit. I still, I don't hate it.
00:55:15
Speaker
Okay. I don't hate and Okay. that all Best of this old Joe Domino, still available at the moment on all streaming services oh and Bandcamp. Yes. But we were going to talk about this.
00:55:28
Speaker
You know, oh we are we going to take stuff off Spotify? don't know, man. I mean, Deerhoof have, haven't they? Yes, they have. And I like Deerhoof. Lots of people have, right?
00:55:39
Speaker
Yeah, of people King Gizzard. King Gizzard. you know and That's quite the hole in the ah Spotify back catalog. Just King Isidre and their many, many, many, many albums off. Yeah.
00:55:50
Speaker
So, don't know. Are there any reasons for not taking it off? I think we should... Someone's got to make Bandcamp better, basically. if i want to be able to put playlists on Bandcamp. That would be great. If they could do that, that would be fantastic. I don't know who is in control of Bandcamp and whether it's in their...
00:56:08
Speaker
There's got to be a way of making a playlist on Bandcamp. It would be great if there was. It's got many benefits. It's got a lot of frustrations about it. There's got to be a way forward. I don't think if we're ready for it.
00:56:20
Speaker
But, you know, Giles, I just want you to remember something, OK? Well, we're going to remember this. What?
Listener Engagement Invitation
00:56:26
Speaker
Scoop-oop-a-doop-a-dee-dee-dee-da Cause I like you Yes, I like you
00:56:44
Speaker
Okay. Just keep that in mind, right? Thanks.
00:56:50
Speaker
I've got a poem. It's called The Urban Fox. It's about an urban fox. Go. It's got the C word in it. Cue the music.
00:57:05
Speaker
Bouldering along at closing time, your clouds of vapour and vowels paint the air ugly, expensive, past the urban fox.
00:57:17
Speaker
He pays no heed to your terrace cunt t-shirt, flags and shags, macky-Ds, bread and circuses.
00:57:28
Speaker
He stands pale in the streetlight, petrification, grey-haired and moonlight wounded. He won't be here for long. But he sees. Oh, he sees.
00:57:41
Speaker
He sees through all your bullshit.
00:57:54
Speaker
Here we are. End of the podcast. Yes, it is. Yes. Another episode done. think I might have shared quite a lot today. You have. You've shared lot. Perhaps, some you know, maybe too much. What do you think?
00:58:08
Speaker
I don't know. Did I do too much? Don't need to dial it back a bit. I don't know. i don't know. You do you. You know, it's it's good for you to share.
00:58:19
Speaker
it? Is it? It's a safe space for you to share your shit. Is it? Okay. Okay. So it's all good. Okay. We'll see. We'll see. Thanks for listening, everybody. yeah it would be really nice if you enjoyed the podcast, perhaps tell somebody else that you enjoyed it yeah and share it on social media and stuff. and people who might think this kind of thing is good, but and have not heard of it, maybe you could kind of pass it around a little bit.
00:58:50
Speaker
yeah And if you want to get involved and send us some stuff, that would be amazing. yeah It could be anything. Rough-ass recordings for the Eternal Halls of the 4-Track Gods or, you know, anything really.
00:59:02
Speaker
Just join in, send us some music and we'll talk about it and play it to people. Yes. um And so Steve, you meant to be interrupting me, dude. So, yeah, so thanks for listening. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:59:14
Speaker
Oh, sorry. sorry um Yes, i I'm interrupting you because you have another bit to do. they See, that so that's what was confusing me. Oh, yeah. kind We kind of changed the format.
00:59:27
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Steve. Yes. Just before we finish, I've been listening to a lot of instrumental music. Okay. And I'm finding instrumental music to to be quite good at the moment, as well as the fall.
00:59:39
Speaker
Yeah. So you just recommend a good piece of instrumental music that is not jazz? Okay. Okay. Luckily, you did ask me this question earlier, but the piece of music which immediately came to mind was Gemera by Tortoise.
00:59:57
Speaker
I think they released it as a one side of a single on Stereolab's duophonic record label. It's 12 minutes long. Yeah. Describe.
01:00:09
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it's like a wide open space it's got elements of country music then it gets very motoric it's kind of on one note it's very driving great rhythms great guitar playing and it just motors it motors I love it that's your homework everybody go and listen to that song Please do like and subscribe to our podcast and recommend it to someone who you think might like listening to all this kind of weird shit.
01:00:39
Speaker
Send us some of your old music and enter the eternal halls of the four-track gods. It's a bit like Nick Cave in colourful clothes. Voynich manuscripts are put in high.
01:00:52
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It's Nick Cave in colourful clothes.