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The Sallie House: Scratches, Fire & A Child's Ghost
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Get ready for one of the most terrifying haunted house stories in American history. In this episode, we're diving deep into the Sallie House in Atchison, Kansas - a place where paranormal activity turned from playful to absolutely violent.
What started as harmless child-like pranks quickly escalated into physical attacks, mysterious fires, and unexplainable terror. The Pickman family thought they were moving into a charming historic home, but they had no idea they were about to experience one of the most documented and aggressive hauntings ever recorded.
In this chilling episode, discover:
• The tragic story behind the name "Sallie" and who she really was
• The escalating paranormal activity that went from toys moving to physical attacks
• Why the attacks seemed to target Tony Pickman specifically
• The mysterious scratches, burns, and marks that appeared on his body
• Evidence captured by paranormal investigators over the decades
• The darker entities that may lurk beyond the innocent child spirit
• Why this house continues to terrify visitors to this day
This isn't just another ghost story - this is a case that's been investigated by countless paranormal teams, featured on major TV shows, and continues to be one of the most active haunted locations in America.
Warning: This episode contains descriptions of physical attacks and disturbing paranormal activity. Listener discretion is advised.
Are you brave enough to hear the full story of the Sallie House?
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Transcript
00:00:01
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The 28th Angle Podcast.
00:00:07
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Hey guys, welcome back. Hey. How's it going? ah It's going pretty good. are you doing? Yeah, episode two. um I'm good.
00:00:18
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I hurt my back, so I guess I could be better, but um that's okay. so mark I'm doing pretty good. I feel like I've just been extremely busy with life and sports and stuff so you have yeah i'm good i guess otherwise feel like i drove busy with life i drove over an hour to like get kids and back home like three or four times last week and and's right but that's i mean i know you drive that on a normal basis but you know like your new week right you're like that you're gonna be doing that every week now
00:01:02
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oh i mean, yes, at least twice, but i hope that I have help otherwise. They extended practice longer, so it's she doesn't get out until 630, so therefore I could make it there every day, but I shouldn't have to. I only did it last week because they had a parent like parenton meeting at one of them, so I had to go.
00:01:24
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Oh. So I have been working on my you know cosplay a little bit more, so my mask is coming together. um and Other than that, I have actually when this is recording, I have a parent teacher conference for my youngest. So that'll be very interesting.
00:01:41
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I can't wait to hear all the details on that one. Yeah. So, um, yeah, that's going to be my week. Um, ah very yeah just I'm just getting ready for Halloween. um so this year we are doing Halloween.
00:01:59
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I mean, I've been doing Halloween at my house for the past three years. Jay's Jerky, who is a buddy of ours that was actually a guest on our podcast last season, he usually comes to my house, or not usually, he does come to my house, and he sets up his tents tent at my house. We hand out candy for the kids, and then for protein and energy, the parents come and they grab their jerky as they're trick-or-treating.
00:02:27
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Big hit. um This year, we're adding ah smoothie tent. And Shelly lives in a neighborhood that's you huge for trick-or-treating. It's the neighborhood I also used to live in, but um I mean, thousands, hundreds, thousands of kids. People trick-or-treat that neighborhood. Last year, we didn't do treat bags, and we ran out of candy at like 8 o'clock.
00:02:51
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um And the year before, we did 300 treat bags, and we ran out of candy. This year, we did 500.
00:03:00
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We'll see when you run out. yeah Yeah, we're hoping that it's going to be good. um We're adding a lot more stuff this year. So if you live in Florida or in my town, come on down to my neighborhood.
00:03:15
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Yeah, I used to run out of candy too. when When I lived there, we always, of course, did it big too. I'd go all out and... When I lived there, I had a neighborhood that people went trick-or-treating at anyway. I would go crazy with decorations.
00:03:27
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um So yeah, we used to always make treat bags then years and years ago now and would run out too. So it's crazy. So since Halloween's on a Friday... We're going to all get to go out there and yeah we all get to go together again. Yeah. yeah together Because it's on a Friday. so So yeah.
00:03:45
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On a weekday. So it's crazy. Next year we'll be on a Saturday. So we'll see what happens next year. um i I'm thinking it's going to be crazy this year just because it's on a Friday.
00:03:59
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Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. So it should be fun. So happy Halloween because will be the one time we get to tell you guys. I'm wearing my Halloween shirt.
00:04:10
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got little ghosts and witches and pumpkins on it. You can't really see it, but... Which brings up our episode. So yeah in honor of Halloween, um I don't know what you want to call the other episodes since I just said that, but you know, for this week we'll go.
00:04:28
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In honor of Halloween, we are going to be doing a Haunted House episode again. um So just i guess a little opening before we go in there.
00:04:40
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um Today we're traveling to a small town. with a big secret, Etchison, Kansas. And I think you guys know the name, don't you? and Yes.
00:04:51
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Shelly does. I don't. Our destination. I feel like I should. You should, yeah. Is a seemingly innocent looking Victorian style house, which, you know, I love Victorian style houses.
00:05:03
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um But the house has a reputation that's so terrifying. It's known as one of the most haunted houses in America. of course, we're talking about the Sally House. Yeah.
00:05:15
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And this house, reading about it, is probably one of the scariest ones I've read about, which is crazy considering like Leap Castle's insane. But I just feel like maybe this one's like more realistic because it's in the U.S. and I could get to it maybe. I don't know. was going say, I wonder it's because it's like yeah here or we can get that. Okay.
00:05:39
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So they're going on a day trip or so. Shelly's visit with us, our weekend trip went to Kansas. ah All right. Are we ready to get into it?
00:05:50
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Yeah, let's get into it. I'm going to put on scary music for myself. Well, by the time this records, there'll be scary music too. So. All right. Let's Let's go.
00:06:02
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Three best friends twist and spin Victoria, Heather and Shelley Let the fun begin Stories to tell, laughs to ignite It's the 28th angle Shining bright Every week a brand new game Three voices, one wild
00:06:29
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So, the pain was absolute. It ripped through the six-year-old girl like a frantic, desperate blade. She was lying on a makeshift operating table, struggling to breathe, blinded by terror and agony.
00:06:44
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In the early 1900s, this unsuspecting house, located at 508 North 2nd Street in Etchington, Kansas, was not just a family resident.
00:06:55
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It was a medical office, an examination room, and on one faithful day, an amateur operating theater. A desperate mother had rushed her small, severely era daughter ill daughter later, identified by the legends as Sally, to the physician's resident within.
00:07:15
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The doctor, fearing an imminent ru ruptured appendix, determined there was no time to delay emergency surgery. In a decision driven by panic and perceived necessity, the cutting began before the limited anesthesia of the error had even taken full effect.
00:07:31
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Oh my god. The child's final moments were spent screaming, conscious of the intense, blinding pain dying on the operating table. Oh wow. Her last coherent thought was that the man hovering above her was not a healer, but a tormentor.
00:07:50
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Oh, wow. The legend holds that the Sally House is haunted by the lingering spirit of this lost innocent child, Sally. Seeking justice for her short, betrayed life, this is the story sold to tourists and embraced by paranormal lore.
00:08:06
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Yet, the history of this house reveals a more complex and ultimately more malevolent narrative. What if the perceived innocent of this haunting is merely a carefully constructed mask?
00:08:20
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What if the house is actually occupied by something far, far more dangerous? A deceptive entity that feeds upon the primal fear of betrayal and uses the sympathetic image of a dead child to lure its targets.
00:08:37
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So. The physical location of the haunting is like I mentioned earlier, it's 508 North Street, Edgington, which I could definitely be saying wrong, Kansas.
00:08:48
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um It's deceptively ordinary. The structure is a two-story white house with blue trim. Blending seamlessly into the historic, pisscarre piss picturesque Victorian in neighborhood.
00:09:02
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Despite its unassuming appearance, the Salley House is routinely cited by paranormal researchers as the most intensely haunted house in the United States. Primarily due to the intense and often violent nature of the spectral outbursts reported within.
00:09:19
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The history of the property dates back to the mid-1800s. It was constructed between 1867 and 1871, originally commissioned by Michael Finney.
00:09:32
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Michael Finney passed away shortly after its completion in 1872. Eventually his son, Dr. Charles Finney, took ownership. Dr. Finney was one of the few physicians in Etchison utilizing the front rooms of the residence as his medical office and examination space.
00:09:53
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While the family, while his family lived in the rooms upstairs, it should be noted that some investigators have questioned the structural suitability and original floor pans of the house for the surgery slash office setup, suggesting the historic historical detail surrounded by Dr. Finley's practice within the home may be part of the evolving retroactive legend. So he did surgeries in that house.
00:10:18
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Yeah, right. right I mean, I guess necessary ones, but yeah, they had anesthesia, you know, the ones that they used, obviously not the same. Less rules and stuff back then. I 1800s, 1872.
00:10:35
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Maybe little after that. So, yeah. So, I mean, that's just kind of lays the... You could have did it out in the building attached to the house. Maybe he didn't have one. There whole lot of choices there.
00:10:50
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Yeah, probably not. So the popular narrative of the Sally House is linked to the tragic medical emergency described in the opening, the frantic arrival of the mother and the child, the diagnosis of acute appendicitis, the hasty surgery performed within without full anesthesia, and the resulting traumatic death of the six-year-old child.
00:11:12
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The core narrative focused on intense physical trauma and betrayal served as the universal accepted foundation for the subsequent paranormal activity.
00:11:24
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However, historical investigations introduce a critical flaw in this foundation. Genealogically, research has been exhaustive in attempting to verify the identity and death of the the victim, Sally.
00:11:40
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Excuse me. Despite the widespread acceptance of this tragic story, there's no definitive history, record, death certificate, nothing that confirms that the young girl named Sally died in this house due to a failed appendectomy performed by Dr. Finley. So really that's all just legend and people have obviously ran with it.
00:12:03
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Yeah, for reals. And we'll get into, you know, obviously we're about to get into why. So, um, The name Sally itself appears to have been entered the public consciousness after the fact.
00:12:18
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Early in the haunting's history, a resident contacted a psychic in California named Barbara, who, despite the distance, claimed there was a ghost in the house, a young girl between five and 13 years old named Sally.
00:12:32
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The details suggested a profound possibility. The house's most famous narrative is either a complete misdistribution or the name and identity were externally projected onto a pre-existing haunting.
00:12:47
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If the child Sally never actually existed or did not die in that specific traumatic matter by the hands of Dr. Finney, ah haunting the haunting entity may have adopted the sympathetic identity of Sally.
00:13:02
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This potential deception suggests that the spirit's motive is not simply vengeance for medical malpractice, but something entirely different, using the tragic but surgical failure as a carefully crafted cover story.
00:13:19
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The entity inhabiting the property may have fundamentally deceptive, manipulating visitors and residents with a narrative of use youthful victimhood.
00:13:32
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So basically people could have known about this story or the spirit or the, you know, whatever's living there has now just kind of grabbed onto that theory and ran with it. me Um, so yeah.
00:13:51
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Um, And like there's people that still that lived there and went through ah bunch of stuff with it too. So it's very crazy. This is still standing. Yeah, it's still standing. You can buy tickets. You can go see it.
00:14:05
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We're going to plan a trip. Shall we say we're going to go one day, Shelley? Um...
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The widespread fame of the Sally House is largely traced back to the extensive documentation of the experiences of Tony and Deborah Pickman.
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So, they moved into the house on December 31st, 1992. The young couple was a newly married couple and expecting their first child. Drawn by the historical character of the property and its two bedrooms, which included a nursery,
00:14:40
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The first two months of their there living there were relatively quiet, but soon strange occurrences began to manifest. Tony and Deborah observed the lights in the house dimming and brightening nightly, a strange electrical anomaly that presented that persisted despite multiple repair attempts by professionals who could find no structural faults.
00:15:03
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More disconcerting, personal items were manipulated. Photos on the wall were found turned upside down. And at least one photo was shattered. Their dog would often growl.
00:15:14
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Yeah, it would be. Just imagine waking up and your pictures are upside but yeah um third me out Yeah. shelley but Shelly would not even say anything. She'd be calling us. swift
00:15:28
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Their dog would often growl and bark intently at unseen entities around the house. So... The activity focused intensely on the nursery after the birth of their son.
00:15:39
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In the hallway. This is why I would never buy a house that was built... That long ago? Before I was born. Well, even, yeah, before I was born.
00:15:53
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I would definitely have to go feel the vibe out before. Even then, though, I don't know, because they can not show up until later. Yeah, there's some, like... No.
00:16:04
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No. Just no. Just no.
00:16:09
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So in a hallway example of child ghost behavior, seemingly playful and non-threatening, stuffed animals were repeatedly taken off the shelves. On one eerie night, investigators reported finding all the stuffed animals arranged in a perfect circle in the middle of the nursery floor, as if they were having a meeting.
00:16:30
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She was just playing. Hell no. What's wrong with that? The initial behavior served to reinforce the narrative of the house being haunted by a curious and playful child spirit.
00:16:44
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The perception of the haunting quickly shifted from playful curiosity to targeted physical malice. See, that's what happens. They're all nice and playful and then bam. It doesn't always happen that way. I've watched a lot of scary movies. Shelly's stories are.
00:16:59
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They always try to like butter you up to that ba and you know you know it. Oh man. You would have left before they got that far though. Yeah. Yeah. The lights were dipping. I would have been out of the house.
00:17:16
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She would have stepped foot in the door and then said, nope, we're selling. We're not living here. Are you crazy? Oh man. So the activity escalated significantly, becoming far more physical and dangerous.
00:17:31
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Crucially, this violence was almost exclusively directed at Tony Pickman, the male head of the household. Deborah and their baby were reported reportedly never physically harmed by the entity.
00:17:44
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Tony experienced severe physical phenomenon. Objects would visibly move when he came near them, and he would often suffer intense, mysterious coldness, particularly when standing in the area believed to be Dr. Finney's former operating space.
00:18:03
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The most chilling manifestations were the unexplained injuries that appeared on his body during or after the visits of the hot spots of the activities. Assuming this came from, because that's, there was a guy that hurt.
00:18:17
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hurt her, like if we're going with that story. Right, exactly, yeah. So they think that, you know, it was a male doctor that hurt the, you know, ultimately.
00:18:30
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How long do these people stay in this house? We'll get there, shelley but get Shelly. She's like, how long did they put up with this? Because she would been gone already.
00:18:43
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Oh my goodness. So, he would often discover unexplained scratches or bruises. In one famous incident documented by investigators, Tony discovered three bloody scratches across his chest and abdominal.
00:19:00
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Abdominal. Shelly's face. yeah I wasn't laughing at the story. Oh, it's so funny. you guys um The consistency of the targeted gender-specific attacks against Tony suggests a calculated intelligence behind the haunting. So what we just kind of talked about.
00:19:21
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The entity appeared to identify Tony as a male figure of authority, a direct proxy for Dr. Finney, the male tormentor in the original legend. This retaliatory pattern elevates the haunting beyond generic poltergeist activity into a realm of active, intelligent, and vengeful manipulated tied directly to the house's history of trauma.
00:19:46
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The violence is a projection of retribution against the perceived aggressor.
00:19:53
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Beyond the physical attacks, the paranormal entity engaged in deep psychological assaults against Tony Pickman. His wife, Deborah, later described the experiments as bordering on a mental attack.
00:20:09
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So, Tony began experiencing profound self-doubt, leading him to question his own perception of reality insanity, which I think that that would happen to me too. ah so um I mean, yeah, if it's just happening to you. like Yeah, I'd be like, am I crazy? Like, what is going on? Like...
00:20:30
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turn me in, what am I doing? and So the psychological vulnerability was exploited by the entity. The malevolent presence twisted his perception, eventually influencing him towards horrific dark thoughts.
00:20:44
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Deborah Pickman recounted that Tony recalled with significant remorse, making intense plans to actually kill me. So, the psychological breaking point, the use of the host to plan violence against the innocent, domestic life, is a critical piece of evidence.
00:21:04
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It suggests the influence of a deeply malevolent or potentially demonic entity which utilized the perceived innocence of Sally as a disguise, a facade or something more demonic.
00:21:18
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The goal was the comprehensive destruction of the family unit, contradicting any narrative of any merely playful ghost child. So...
00:21:30
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Further compounding the sense of wrongness was the behavior of animals. While their family dog barked at unseen things, a specific or unnerving detail cited by multiple visitors that trained guide dogs universally refused to enter the nursery.
00:21:46
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This acute rejection by trained animals highlighted the intense, localized negative energy specifically contained within the child's room.
00:21:57
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Yeah. I imagine. That better not be sleeping in there much longer. They should took the baby out. Well, I mean, I don't. It's hurting the baby though, right? No, it's not hurting the baby. But also, like, I don't and think there's anything happening in the nursery. Like, it was a nursery when they moved in because it was just always a nursery, you know? Mm-hmm.
00:22:20
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So the focus on the unverified Sally legend overshadows a dark, historically documented death that occurred in or immediately adjacent to the Finley residence.
00:22:31
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The tragedy involved involving Frank Barnes. So in 1906, Johanna Barnes, who had a documented history of severe mental health issues and had been institutionalized for being violently insane, was released to the custody of Dr. Finney.
00:22:50
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On September 24th, 1906, Johanna attempted suicide by turning on the gas stove in the downstairs room, lying down on a cot with her five-year-old son, Frank Barnes.
00:23:02
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Johanna survived the attempt, but Frank died in the fumes. um This historical account introduces a chilling, verified alternative origin of the hauntings.
00:23:14
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Some investigators believe that Johanna may be the powerful, dominating female entity whose ghost voice has allegedly been corrupt been captured on audio and who may have been the source of the gender-specific hatred intended on harming male visitors, such as Tony Pickman.
00:23:33
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The existence of the Barnes tragedy provides a complex, verifiable anchor for the malevolent in this house, suggesting that the targeted violence and psychological terror may stem from not not from the pain of a surgical victim, but deep-seated psychosis and murderous intent of an adult killer.
00:23:55
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If the primary entity haunting the house is indeed intelligent and manipulative, it would benefit from maintaining the sympathetic Sally narrative to draw in curious visitors and investigators, diverting scrutiny away from the true source of darkness, the rage of a woman who took the child's life through suffocating, poisoning death.
00:24:16
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Hmm. That's...
00:24:20
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I like always wonder, like, how did they like this part? That part of it is like confirmed history. You know, they have evidence of it's like, how did we get from that to Sally?
00:24:33
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Like, I mean, I know how it happens, obviously, but it's so crazy that it's kind of still the Sally house, you know, like, mm hmm. So why, i guess I'm still confused why they're going, if we're in that story, why are they going after the male?
00:24:51
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For the confirmed story? Yeah. I'm not, I don't know that it goes into that except for just that she was violently mental, like she was mentally ill.
00:25:07
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She had been a male in her life. I guess I just she was released to a male. Yeah, who probably, you know, Dr. Finney, who probably, you know, because I can't do this. can't do that. Yeah. I guess that makes sense.
00:25:27
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I mean, and there may be, maybe there's more history to it too, as well, that I didn't, you know, include everything or there's, I know there's a lot to this. And so i was like trying to fit it all into one podcast is is always part of the struggle here.
00:25:41
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but So, um so yeah, beyond the spiritual and historical, historical narrative, scientists, scientific analysis provided a critical grounding explanation for many paranormal reported in the Sally house.
00:25:57
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Skeptical researchers frequently observe that many common symptoms associated with the hauntings include feeling of being watched, hearing footsteps or voices, headaches, dizziness, and sudden paranormal paranoia or illness.
00:26:12
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um And they're also classified clinical indicators of carbon monoxide poison. So there's also that. and who The Pickman experiences align disturbingly well with the chronic CO o exposure.
00:26:26
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They reported dimming lights, suggesting infrastructure issues, and Tony reported, ah Tony suffered severe psychological degeneration, and paranormal, and onset of violent thoughts.
00:26:38
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These are all symptoms associated with a low-level, long-term exposure to odorless, colorless gas. Oh. If that doesn't make him feel more crazy, I don't know would.
00:26:48
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But they didn't have, like, inspections that you said 1992 right yeah 1992 i feel like we did well they said that they had brought people out to check out all that you know what i mean wouldn't that be part of it yeah yeah i feel like it would be i'm sure but i mean there probably are tons of people calling him crazy you know mean like so it's like they're trying to find any reason like that's not true it's you have carbon monoxide poison yeah if somebody told me that well i already thought was crazy i'd be like
00:27:20
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Maybe I am. Maybe it is just that. But with crazy but i mean but the wife never experienced any of that? like Doesn't that eliminate that completely to me? Yeah, exactly. She would have some type of symptom at least. At least one or two of them.
00:27:40
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Yeah, it was crazy. so the structure The structural element introduced introduces the concept of structural malevolence. Given that Frank Barnes died in this house from gas fumes in 1906, the property clearly possessed a faulty or dangerous gas infrastructure in the past.
00:27:59
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If this infrastructure was never fully corrected, or if age systems still produced traces of CO, o the environment itself could chemically introduce the hallucinations, the psychosis, the extreme stress reported by occupants.
00:28:15
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The physical hazard creates and an environment that actively twists the minds of its inhabitants, preparing them for spiritual or physical collapse. If the house chemically manufactured vulnerabilities, the line between pathology and possession becomes terrifyingly blurred.
00:28:34
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The primary claims of the haunting, when viewed through a skeptic's lens, shows the consistent overlap with known physical phenomenons. So... And then... Yeah, actually... So, the Sally House...
00:28:55
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is a critical nexus where unverified legends, verifiable history tragedy, historic tragedies, and acute environmental pathologies converge. The entity and or entities operating within have mastered the art of psychology, psychological where warfare and strategic misdirection, strategic misdirection. Sorry.
00:29:17
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um The evidence strongly suggests that the haunting is predicted on deception. By presenting itself initially as symptomatic, non-life-threatening spirit of the surgical victim Sally, the entity lures residents in, like the Pickmans, to a false sense of comfort.
00:29:38
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Just like Shelley said.
00:29:43
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However, the escalation to the target gender-specific violence against Tony, cultivating in destructive psychological impulses and physical attacks. So, yeah.
00:29:57
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yeah You said there was a movie, right? So, there I think there's shows. So there's actually two shows. um Well, there's one show about Tony and Deborah Pickman.
00:30:10
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That's the one I was trying to watch from the server, you know? um It's an episode of, what's it called? a Haunting, episode two. ah Season two, episode four, I think it is. It could be like, I can't remember the episode. I think it's episode four, but a haunting episode, season two, episode four, I believe.
00:30:28
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um But there's also ah show. Oh, I wish I would have wrote it down, but I didn't. um There's a show where investigators go in and investigate the Sally House.
00:30:39
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um So like one of those famous... paranormal researcher people go in and um investigate the house and i did watch that one um and that one's pretty crazy too that one's definitely worth watching i wonder if i have it written down here somewhere i probably oh u.s ghost adventures yeah the sally house by u.s ghost adventures so that is that um zach is that zach that does it i can i don't that was I don't know. Nobody else knows this, but we were supposed, this was supposed to be our final episode of season two season one.
00:31:12
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so a lot of the research I did was literally months ago or when I watched that was literally months ago. So. Okay. I'll look it up. um but literally i There's a couple things, things that go bump in the night, um a haunted houses in Etchingson, Kansas, U S ghost adventures did one.
00:31:32
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There's a haunting history of the Sally house. the circuit. So yeah, there's actually bunch. I like watching. You can watch that on YouTube. Okay. I like watching those ghost adventure shows.
00:31:45
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Um, but only in the daytime. Okay. Only in the daytime. You know what? Eliana has been on a kick where she's been watching stuff about scary houses. I wonder if she'd want to watch it with me. Oh, that'd be cool.
00:31:57
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Maybe she would. Um, so I think, and that pretty much covers it, but I have some like, uh, like real life instances that has happened that I wanted to go over if you guys were interested.
00:32:12
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kind of round it out. Yeah, like people can still go, like you can go buy tickets and go in there and set up and investigate and all that stuff. So yeah. Sure, you can talk about it, but it ain't happening over here. Yeah, it is. I'm gonna let's tell Shelly what she's gonna experience.
00:32:30
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In the car? Over my face, we can go stay there. right Well, you guys? No. You want to go play with the little girl or a little boy?
00:32:44
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That show, the one watched, I can't remember now. Like, I feel like it was so, the but the one one where the investigators went in, like there's some, and I know it's tv so like you know I don't know how it actually happened, but like, there's actually some scary moments in there because it's like, they have, they did the whole stuffed animal thing and they put them in a circle.
00:33:04
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And then they, you know, they go out at night or what they do their normal stuff. Just like every show does. But there was a, there was a, one of the stuffed animals that actually like, he didn't fall over. Like most people were like, oh, he just fell over or the wind blew or no, you can see that thing like wobbled back and forth and then rolled around. Like it was, it's worth watching. It was really crazy. Actually.
00:33:25
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enjoyed it. I enjoyed that episode. So there's couple stories, like real life instances that happen here. um some There's a paranormal investigator who, I guess they want to remain remain anonymous for some reason. So once recounted a story.
00:33:48
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Yeah, i guess. From his team's visit. They had a camera set up in the bedroom and they were monitoring it from downstairs. Suddenly the camera's feed went black. they wouldn't When they rushed upstairs to check on it, the camera was completely unplugged.
00:34:02
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the co The cord was coiled neatly on the floor, and it was impossible for that to have just fallen out. It was deliberate and an intelligent act, he said. so There was another chilling account that comes from a woman named Sarah, who visited the house with a tour group. She was standing in the living room near the foot of the stairs when she felt a sudden sharp pain on her back.
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When she went to the bathroom to check, there was three fresh scratches, just like the ones Tony Pickman had reported. She had no idea about his story beforehand, which makes her experience all the more unnerving.
00:34:39
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But that makes me question if it's really... Just like one sex related, like why, like, know what mean? Like male relation. Because that was a woman. I don't think that it was. I think maybe like, maybe has to do with like the power of the people too. It has to something else that nobody knows.
00:34:59
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Yeah. Because, yeah, because that was her name was Sarah. So, it's probably a woman. It was Zach and his team that went. Was it? And I like those guys. Those are the guys that I always watch. She talks about Zach like she knows him because I don't know Zach.
00:35:14
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You don't know Zach Bagans? No, I don't. He's the one. ah okay. Well, he's the one that he's done ghost adventures for years and years and years. Then they stopped and then now they just revamped it. So it's back on TV again.
00:35:27
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Like recently, actually one of the guys, Aaron Goodwin, his wife put a hit on him. She's in jail now. Yeah, you hear about that? Yeah, no and apparently in the episode that just aired, I didn't see it, or aired a while ago, he like read the message where he found out that there was a hit on him, like on TV, but it could been for Dramatize.
00:35:49
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But anyways, yeah, I've always watched these guys, and um they're the ones that went into the Poltergeist house.
00:35:58
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You know, the one where they shot the movie that they say is cursed? That was freaky episode.
00:36:05
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I wonder if I've seen this episode because, sorry, I wonder if seen this episode because there was one part where there was a stuffed up. Siri? Siri was talking to There's one where there's a stuffed add animal that fell off a shelf.
00:36:21
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don't think it was a rabbit. Maybe. Um, there's just so many ghost adventure, like shows. I mean, yeah I can't even remember the guys' names of the ones I used to watch all the time. So, yeah, like I have pictures of them and shirts of them that they signed. And I still, if you asked me their name right now, I could not tell you their name.
00:36:39
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So, um, so I'll get into one last story and then we can end this here. Um, But one of the most famous stories involves a fire.
00:36:51
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So investigators have often reported strange temperature drops in the house. But one instance was particularly dramatic. During a televised investigation, a fire alarm suddenly blared.
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When the crew went to investigate, a small fire had started in the corner of one of the rooms. There was no explanation for how it could have ignited, and some believe the mallivin the malevolent entity was trying to prove its power or perhaps send a clear message.
00:37:19
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There's been some crazy stuff that's happened in that house while recording and not recording and just throughout the years. so And nobody lives in it. ah lives Nobody lives in it. No, nobody lives in it.
00:37:30
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The city owns it. um So it's not owned by one particular person right now. um Yeah. So that's crazy. oh I would like it. It's actually pretty terrifying. And I think I'd like to go see it one day. It'll be fun.
00:37:45
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Yeah, for sure. Doesn't sound like my fun. don't think I'd want to stay there, honestly. I wouldn't stay there, but I want to go see it, investigate it. Yeah, that would be cool. wouldn't mind seeing Kansas, but I don't think I would.
00:38:01
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What else is in Kansas, Shelly? You gotta do it for the podcast, Shelly. Sorry about your luck. You know You guys can go inside and investigate, and I will investigate the outer perimeter. Okay.
00:38:16
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The outer perimeter. But not on the property. The street. I'll take pictures from the street. Oh, We'll get her to go in.
00:38:27
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It's fine. She'll have to. Let's start with the house here. Not far from me. Locally. Because it's a haunted house. I thought about doing that one one day. Like I should investigate. Like I should research that one.
00:38:42
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But I would be fun for us to like go live and go. it was owned by a doctor. that Like record an episode in there. Like about it, I mean. Dr. Sheldon Stringer. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
00:38:55
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Shelly's like, that's reality now. So hold on. ah it would be cool though to do. It would be cool. yeah Well, there's a bunch by you. So, I mean, there's, what what, two or three by you that I think we could do.
00:39:11
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um And I know there's two or three up here. No. Well, I mean, one of them's kind of closer to you, I think. But, but yeah, by Heather. So, it should be something we should plan one day for real. Well, the May Stringer house would definitely be the top one on list.
00:39:27
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We should look into it. We could make an episode there. All right. Anybody out there that would like to take my spot for that interview, please comment.
00:39:40
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and No, please comment in and tell her that she has to for the podcast. So, sorry about your luck, Shelley. And volunteers to come and hold my hand. We'll be there, Shelley. We're there to hold your hand. Yeah, we'll be there.
00:39:53
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We can hold your hand. We can do that.
00:39:57
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I'm going to have rosary on my neck and Bible in my hand and say my prayers. All right. So I think that's going this episode up.
00:40:10
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so Yeah, now I get to go to sleep, guys, because, you know, this is late at night. Not really. I was going say it's not. It's 8 a.m., Shelley, what are you talking
00:40:22
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It's like 840 at this point. You what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Alright, so yeah. well We appreciate you guys. We'll see you again next week. And thank you for hanging out with us this week. Halloween, everybody. Happy hall Halloween.
00:40:38
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Dress up, have fun, share your Halloween pictures with us. And all the cute kiddos. because has our We like to know. Yeah, we'll definitely. We have a plan. We'll post pictures, yeah.
00:40:51
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Bye guys. Bye.