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Episode 733 - The Superhero Movie Vibe Shift f/ Elle Collins
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Our longtime pal Elle Collins drops by the show this week for a super-sized chat about "Superman," "Fantastic Four: First Steps," and how superhero movies seem to be changing at this particular moment.
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I'm bored. What plaything can you offer me today?
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got War Rocket Ajax to bring back his body. Terminator X-Z-O-X-O!
Meet the Hosts and Their Fantasies
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Hello everybody and welcome to War Rocket Ajax. This is the internet's most explosive comic book and pop culture podcast and we are your hosts. My name is Chris Sims. With me as always is Matt Wilson.
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And Matt, if I was in Starfleet and I had to relax by going on the old holodeck and punching up a little holodeck program to to have some fun with in the style of ah Captain Picard doing Dixon Hill or Or the crew of the Voyager, Tom Paris, doing ah Captain Proton, the Flash Gordon pastiche.
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right You might think that I would either go with like a superhero thing or shonen anime. like You might think I'd be like, oh, I want to be Batman or Goku. But what I like to do in my spare time is D&D, is like fantasy stuff. So I think I would probably i would want something with a considerable amount of swords.
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So, would you go like do like a fantasy story in the holodeck, more or less? Yeah, and I think much like my current Dungeons & Dragons campaign, it would incorporate several elements of Dragon Ball.
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That makes perfect sense, yes. yeah There would be Kamehameha's. hu ah So Matt, I ask you, what would you do ah if you were in Starfleet?
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This is a question that ah I have discussed with our mutual friend Ben Gully. ah What would you do if you were in Starfleet? What would your holodeck escapism be?
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Much the same way, you might think that I would say like I would be Spider-Man or something, right? But no. I actually think you would be Matt Wilson. and No, then no, no, no. I would go to the holodeck to relax, and there's nothing relaxing about being
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You might also think that I would do what Picard does, which is Dixon Hill, which like I would. like I'd go do a noir thing in a heartbeat. But what what I do for fun, and if you've subscribed my YouTube channel, you know this, I play survival horror games because I've never been scared.
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Correct. I would go into the holodeck and play and have it be a survival horror game. But it would be only like a limited amount of shooting zombies or like monsters or whatever. And it would mostly be me just like going from room to room solving puzzles.
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It would but essentially be an escape room. i would I would make the holodeck into an escape room. I mean, the holodeck generally becomes an escape room, regardless of people's intentions. That's true. For plot reasons. Yeah. ah But that's what I would do.
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yeah That would be so frustrating for the computer, because you've never been scared. I know, but like i'm I don't play survival horror games to be scared to begin with. I play survival horror games because they're the games with... like You go around a building and solve puzzles until you find your way out.
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And that's fun for me. You are the kind of madman who would build the Raccoon City Police Station. yeah Absolutely. Absolutely.
Patreon Appreciation and Listener Benefits
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ah We have a great show for everybody this week. We do. i And that incorporates two things I will get to later in my check. ah We do have a great show. We're going to be talking to Elle Collins, our old friend, ah former staff colleague at Comics Alliance, about just like superhero movies, the state of where they are right now in 2025, and how the vibes are kind of changing.
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but We're going to be talking a lot about Superman, and there's going to be a lot of spoilers. Yes. So if you haven't seen it yet and you don't want to be spoiled, ah come back to this one later. But yeah, there's it is an extra long interview segment where we're talking about – plot details of Superman, the vibe of Fantastic Four First Steps, and maybe where superhero movies can go from here to stay exciting.
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ah Because they haven't been in a little while, and and there's there's a little bit of that spark coming back. ah So stay around for that. But Chris, before we get to that, we need to take care of some business.
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The first piece of business is thanking our newest supporters over on Patreon. That's right, Matt. Now, these are the people who want to support the show. So they don't have to go down to 733 Gimmick Street.
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they don't They don't need no kettlebells. But if they did go down to 733 Gimmick Street, they might find a little something. All you have to do Is go to patreon.com slash warrocketajax where you can kick in as little as a dollar a month to help us do the show. Help the show keep going.
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Help us do all the fun side projects and side series that we do. It's a great time. And ah you can get in on that. There.
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I've changed up my patter and now I'm a little lost. Well, Chris. You mix in the mail called bills. Would you like to know the what is at 733 Gimmick Street thanks to the newest member of the gimick Gimmick Street Preservation Society? I would love to know, Matt.
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Okay. At the $15 level of our Patreon, you can join the Gimmick Street Preservation Society and ah name and address. Put something at a plot of land on Gimmick Street.
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And Clark Farmer has named the... What is at 733 Gimmick Street? It is ah rainy alley draped over a trash can as a discarded Spider-Man costume.
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Oh no!
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Spider-Man No More. Jonah's going to pay big bucks for this, though. I bet that's going to stick.
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I really bet that's going to stick. It's nice to know that that's where that alley is, and it's nice to know that that alley is so close to Danny the Street. Yeah, like, Danny the Street is good. Like, Peter's going to go walk down Danny the Street, and he's going to have a change of heart.
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Maybe so. Maybe so. That's what I think is going to happen. When was the last time you read Spider-Man No More? Been a while. I should go back and read it. It's great. You should, because that shit's pretty good. It's pretty good.
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You ain't kidding. Chris, here are newest Patreon supporters. Ash Short. Thank you, Ash. And Thomas Mason. Thomas, thank you.
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We love to see the numbers go up. Numbers gotta go up. Chris, with that, it's time for some Checks and Wrecks. What do you say? Let's do it.
Gifts and Hobbies: Swords and Star Trek
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What would you like to check in with this week, buddy? Matt, I got some bad news. Oh, no. I... It's hard to even talk about, but i no longer own a sword.
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What happened? What happened? To the Invincible Superblade. Oh, no, I still have it. I own two swords now, Matt. Oh, you that you you pulled one on me.
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did. You really got one over on me there. Which is funny, because you actually knew that I had two swords. did. knew exactly what you were doing the whole time, but played along. knew that, like Jerry Riviera, I got one for beasts and one for men.
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Look, improv, baby. Improv.
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That's right. ah the The birthday bar has been set pretty high. ah We are closing in on on my birthday coming up, I guess, in in a little bit more than a week from the time people are hearing this.
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Yeah, really approaching fast. Yeah, it'll be ah the day after next week's episode, actually. ah And I got an early birthday present from our our friends Annie Creighton and Lucas Brown,
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ah who heard us on the show talking about the Sword of Omens and how the Sword of Omens kicks ass. It really does. Yeah, it does, Matt.
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And I know that because I'm looking at it right now. You now own it. I now own it. It's huge. yes I have a picture of AC holding it, and it is like it's like three quarters the length of her body.
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It is... and And let me tell you, yeah this is a one-handed sword. Lion-O is hench. Lion-O is swole as hell.
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Gotta be. ah But ah it's it's a ah fantastic recreation of the Sword of Omens. the The Thundercats logo lights up, and I am delighted to have it.
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they They had an inscription etched in the blade, so it says, Give me sight beyond sight. And then it came with a scabbard where the inscription is ah oh no weapon formed against mutual prosper. Which is pretty good.
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Matt, it's pretty good. It sounds like it. Yeah. So I am ah well pleased with the the sword that I now own. The only problem is I only had storage for one sword.
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so
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So I got to figure something out, man.
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You'll get there. I'm sure i'm sure you'll get there. ah Hey, I'm sure I will, too. The only question is how many swords I'm going to have at the end of August.
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We'll see what happens. ah Matt, what have you been up to this past week? Well, Chris, I have two things that I would like to mention. I By the time this episode goes up, I will have done one weekend of improvised Star Trek shows, but there will still be one more weekend of improvised Star Trek shows at NC Stage here in Asheville, North Carolina.
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ah August 8th, 9th, and 10th, we are doing shows. ah So anybody listening to this who can come to that should come to that. um I've been doing rehearsals for the past...
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two And a half weeks or so. um Well, actually longer than that, but those were weekly rehearsals. and And then the past couple of weeks we've been doing like almost nightly run throughs.
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And you might wonder how can you release, how can you rehearse and improvise show? I think I talked about this last week too. um It's, you know, we do a run through,
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That will never actually be performed in front of people, but we're we're getting the rhythm down. We're figuring out lighting cues and all of that kind of stuff. and we So we've done full run-throughs of entire episodes for the last two nights, and they have been so good.
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but i've I have been so surprised with how well they turned out. um like We did a run-through last night where... And some quote-unquote ambassadors came onto the ship, but they were in fact shapeshifters who could look like the people we missed most.
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And ah it went great. And it was such a like a good like Star Trek-y sci-fi premise. And I'm really excited to do these shows in front of people. So ah one more weekend of that coming up. and And been doing a lot of rehearsals and getting ready for that.
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ah I've got an actual Star Trek shirt like Next Generation style shirt with a communicator and pips. And it looks really good.
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And I'm very excited. ah tough of there yes On top of that, I started a playthrough. like i don't have enough going on. um I started a playthrough of the Silent Hill 2 remake.
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So if you go to my YouTube channel, um you can see me playing through probably about two-thirds of So far of the Silent Hill 2 remake.
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ah Which is good. um um i was a little concerned. About whether. Remaking that game was a great idea. um but Aside from a few things that you can find out in the stream, ah I think the remake is very solidly done and like really captures the feel of Silent Hill 2.
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um So go check out my stream of playing through Silent Hill 2 as well.
Gaming and Comic Reviews
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Those are my checks. Chris, what do you have to recommend? ah Matt, continuing with the theme of how much I love swords and fantasy roleplaying, i would like to recommend ah some products from the fine people at CZYY.
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ah If you have been on TikTok, you have probably seen people talking about the stuff that they make. ah They make a lot of wooden D&D accessories. And they were nice enough to send me a bunch. I also bought a couple of things before I got in touch with them.
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ah But they make, like, wooden ah kits that you can build so that you have full-size sailing ship or airship or Viking longship, all of which I now have and all of which I'm extremely excited about.
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i put them together. They don't require any tools, right? But ah they are fantastic. I have showed them off to ah to Ted Anderson, who plays in one of my games, and to AC, and they were both like, this is incredible.
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oh They're very handy, and they are pretty shockingly affordable. like Especially if you've looked at miniatures of vehicles before.
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If you want to do like a fun ship-to-ship combat in ah in D&D. It can be kind of difficult to pull that off on a battle map if you're playing in person.
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Unless you have ship miniatures that you can move around. And this one is amazing. i have I have the long ship, which is pretty basic, just one deck.
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The sailing ship has ah three decks, two full decks, and then a foxhole and aft castle. I don't know how you pronounce. but I'm not a sailor man.
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ah But it's got those. And I also have their Eberron-themed airship. ah Long-time listeners will know that I am a ah huge mark for Eberron. And this thing rules super hard.
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It's got ah multi-level decks, stairways, a big elemental ring. It's got a stand that it sits on. I will say that one was the hardest one for me to put together. ah but I still did not need to use any tools or anything. They're laser-cut wood.
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ah They also make a ton of really fun stuff that I'm looking forward to using. They have ah tokens for potions that ah remind you of what dice you actually have to roll for a healing potion, which is something that i consistently forget after 23 years of playing Dungeons & Dragons.
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but They also have condition rings that are really nice. And shockingly... My favorite thing of everything they sent me are their area of effect templates.
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they are that They have you know spheres, cubes, you know circles, squares, and cones in various sizes and lines. But the acrylic that they're made of, the color catches the light in such a beautiful way.
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it is I spent money on another set of spell templates that are are pretty nice. they're They're plastic. They have like reminders of what the spells are on them.
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I don't think those will ever see the light of day. Because the ones that they have sent, I find so aesthetically appealing. They're beautiful.
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ah Photos literally do not do them justice. You can find all of their stuff at czyy.me or you can look for stuff on the bookstore website or on the TikTok shop if you're on there. Like I said, you've probably seen these things before.
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I really like genuinely ah the stuff that I purchased and all the stuff that they sent me. And I will probably recommend some more of it in the future because they were nice enough to send me literally everything I asked for.
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So ah very, very cool stuff. I have already impressed my players and I am delighted to have them. ah But definitely go look at their ship,
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oh ship ah model and the airship and longship. Those are great. There's also a very inexpensive set of rowboats that are ah just flat rowboat pieces, but there's two of them so you can do a little... I already have plans for them in my in my next D&D campaign that I'm running.
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so ah Check those out. Lots of cool stuff. Very fun and easy to put together. and ah their Their slogan that they put on on the box of everything is simplify and enhance your TTRPG.
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And so far, that is the case ah for all this stuff that I've tried. They're very cool stuff, ah so definitely check them out.
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ah Matt, what would you like to recommend for the people? Well, Chris, I've kind of already recommended it. I talked about my playthrough of it and ah sort of recommended the game in that. um The Silent Hill 2 remake is...
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is genuinely better than I thought it would be. um I really thought the game was going to lose something by having better, clearer, crisper graphics.
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um Because part of what makes Silent Hill 2 so effective is kind of... It is sort of like fuzzy to look at. And there's a sort of air of mystery to the whole game.
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But um they they capture that in the remake somehow. Even... ah like with
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better graphics. and And I didn't think that that was possible. It is so much better than the Dead Space remake, which I think missed a lot of what was good about the original game.
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ah who The people who made the Silent Hill 2 remake absolutely get what's good about Silent Hill. So I hope they continue to make Silent Hill games.
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ah So that's my recommendation. Chris, with that, it's time to talk about some comics. Let's do it.
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Chris, we only have limited time because the interview segment is longer than normal this week. And also, i didn't have time to read any comics. so we're just going to talk about you catching up on Hush 2. Yeah, it was kind of a light week.
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And for some reason, you and i have not recorded an episode. like the The rare occasions where we take a week off have happened when the issues of Twush have come out.
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Yeah. Or like when we do an episode that's like... when we don't do comics reviews for whatever reason. Yeah. ah So, I caught up on Hush 2, and funny I gotta to say, it sucks.
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but in In new and exciting ways? No, it's the same old ways, but for some reason it's really funny to me now.
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ah The... the
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it's It's so weird that in like 2005 or whatever it was, 2003 maybe, oh like this was me, Hush Sucks, big frowny face.
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And now, all these years later, this is me, Hush Sucks, delighted. Yeah. Because it's so bad. ah like I will say, i think Jim Lee is doing a pretty solid job on the art. I like that Batman's got his oval.
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I think any costume redesigns that he's doing are not the best. And he makes a couple of weird choices. But I think he can lay the um stuff that sucks pretty much nearly 100% at the feet of Loeb.
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ah so i Aside from from Thick Riddler, yeah. Aside from Thick Riddler, ah the buddy, there's this whole part in in the last issue in Batman 160.
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You can Google things. You know, you can duck-duck-go them. you can You can hop on Wikipedia and chip in $3 to Jimbo Whales so they can they can keep that free.
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So if you don't know what Damascus Steel is, you don't have to write a comic about it. You can just not do that and instead find out what it is and then write a comic about it.
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Or or write about cut write a comic about something else. Or write a comic about something else. You don't have to talk about Damascus Steel and reveal that you just think it's special steel from Damascus.
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And that you could use it to make toy soldiers. That's not what that is and what that does. Source? Guy who owns a lot of knives. Right. Right.
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In fact, much Damascus steel was not actually from Damascus. It was imported. I know that because it's in the first fucking paragraph on the Wikipedia article.
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there's ah there's There's parts in this where Batman is where he's quoting Dark Knight Returns, but it's a Batman saying it instead of Jim Gordon.
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And I'm... you know he He wants you to do the DiCaprio point, Matt. Of course, yeah. And i'm just I'm just over here... Delighted.
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It's... Batgirl can turn invisible now? I'm looking at this at 161, which is the most recent issue. Uh-huh.
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Uh-huh. And it is the most convoluted way to get to a Batman-Batgirl fight that you could possibly imagine. Oh, yeah. It's it's wild. um Nobody speaks like a human being, which is weird.
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Well, it's also... ah Oh, these caption boxes that say, suddenly, Barbara Gordon, Batgirl.
00:27:21
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Like Dick. I watched her grow up. There's got to be a better way to say that. There's got to be a better way. Again, my frivolous use of time travel.
00:27:31
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She showed no interest in my training her. That's not true. That's not true in any version of Batgirl. But like we we will get into this in the interview segment.
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You never need to explain who Batgirl is.
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Like, yeah why on earth are we like, this is who Batgirl is? but Especially since she was in the previous issue. just It's a little late. i mean, she's been in every issue of Hush 2 so far, so it's kind of late to be explaining who she is.
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um Especially when there's people in this comic that have not ah had things explained about them. Like, one lady just has a responsometer? Like, the metal man?
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And she's like, yeah, you just need a talented doctor to put it in you to make you a metal man. And that's not how that works either. Like, that's a fake thing. So it's not let's not like you can like you can get away with that because that's a fake imaginary thing. And Damascus Steel is like an actual real thing.
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But like that's also not how responsometers work. And I do feel compelled to point that out. The last page of this issue has Riddler in it, but he's not as thick. And it's Riddler ellipses question mark.
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Yeah, Riddler knows everything, ah which he didn't know two issues before Hush 2 started. So, you know, but they ain ain't my job to know that, I guess.
00:29:09
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Oh, buddy, it's it's a hoot. It's a delight. It's bad. Is it already late, too? ah I don't know. like it's in the It's on issue four, and it feels like it should be further along than that, right?
00:29:27
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oh the Matt, are you are you saying that you want the Hush 2 experience to be over faster? i mean, look, I'm not i'm not saying anything.
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I'm just saying i i think it may be already behind. I hope we get a Hush 2 fill-in. And I would like to actually volunteer to write the Hush 2 fill-in. Because there's a lot of stuff I don't know about either, and I promise I won't look it up.
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Oh yeah, it skipped June.
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There wasn't an issue in June. Hush 2. Hush, twush. That logo still sucks. Oh, it's... It's atrocious.
00:30:15
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It's bad. Bad stuff. It's... I'm sure somebody's trying on this comic, but it's really hard to tell. i mean, Jim Lee is. I mean, aside from some bad character redesigns.
00:30:29
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I mean, I'm not sure that Jim Lee is trying. You think this is Jim on autopilot? I mean, that kind of is a compliment. I feel like this kind of looks like every other Jim Lee comic, which is, you know...
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Pretty good. The Joker's got braces. He sure does. And I don't know why that is. So you think this is Jim Lee coasting? I mean, I think it's like, I don't think he's, I would not say he's coasting. I don't think he's phoning it in, but I also don't think he's like, don't, I don't look, this is, this is me speculating on someone's motivations that I have never might've spoken to.
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But like, I feel like Jim Lee could draw a comic that looked like this pretty, you know, He's she's Jim Lee. He can draw this in his sleep, right? Probably. Maybe he is putting his heart and soul into it, but I don't know.
00:31:21
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Well, speaking of putting your heart heart and soul into things, ah there's ah there's ah an earnestness and brightness to superhero movies that we haven't seen in a while. Let's talk to L. Collins about that.
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Yeah, let's do it.
Guest Segment: Superhero Movies with Elle Collins
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Joining us for the program this week is a guest that we always like to have on the show. Longtime friend of the show, longtime friend of us. ah You know them from their many appearances on War Rocket Ajax, most likely. El Collins is here. El, how are you? Hey, it's great to be here. I'm ah i'm doing good, guys.
00:32:06
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Thanks for having me. I'm excited talk about superhero movies. And that's weird, right? Because it's been a while. yeah It's been a while since you've been excited to talk about superhero movies.
00:32:19
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Yeah, literally as I was driving home from Superman was the first time in literally years that I had the thought, gosh, I wish I still wrote about comic books and stuff. There's some stuff to cover in there.
00:32:33
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That would be fun. And for for the listeners who don't know, l for for quite some time, you had a had the Comics Alliance fan casting column.
00:32:45
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Yes. and yeah That ah had some of the best casting picks I've ever seen. The only other column I can compare it to was the one that was in Wizard Magazine. Which was the direct inspiration, let's be honest.
00:32:57
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And yours was yours was way better. Well, I used a lot less Howie Long.
00:33:05
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but they they They love Broken Arrow. I mean, i get it. He kind of looked like Captain America in 1993, but, you know, what do you you know. ah Also, I would add, not to toot own horn, but that that column, which, let's see, I get the names mixed up, but I believe it was called Cast Party at... ah at uh comics alliance it actually outlived comics alliance uh after you know we all got laid off by comics alliance i was contacted by uh sci-fi.com the sci-fi check website i remember continuing it for like two or three more years now did they request that you include sci-fi elements like when they were broadcasting ecw
00:33:53
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but Uh, no, but I kind of did anyway, because when I, obviously when I was doing it for comics Alliance, there, almost everything I did was, you know, comics, uh, that I, that I turned into movies, but doing, working at sci-fi.com, you know, gave me space to do like, uh, I did Dune before they put out the official cast, uh,
00:34:17
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And I, you know, not that the goal was prediction, but I did cast Timothee Chalamet in the role that he ultimately got. Because it's like, obviously, that's who's going to play Paul Atreides in the 2020s.
00:34:32
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But, you know, and I also did, I think I did a few video games and things like that. Now, I know that you had a gimmick at the time of every cast included a pro wrestler.
00:34:43
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Did you put Batista in Dune? but No, I don't think, because I didn't continue that gimmick at SyFy. So I don't think I put a pro wrestler in Dune.
00:34:55
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Okay. Because that's, Dune, now that I'm thinking about the cast of of of Dune, that's an L. Collins-ass movie. but ah Well, you know...
00:35:06
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Now that I'm thinking about it, I might have put Like, somebody has to play the Beast Rabban. So, like, I might have put a pro wrestler in there. It was not a stretch to give that part to a wrestler.
00:35:18
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Yeah. in the in In David Lynch's movie, the only thing I know about the actor who plays that role is that he's the same guy who plays Bluto in the Robin Williams-Popeye movie.
00:35:31
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Wild. Right? Now that you bring up Howie Long... i I really want to know who Howie Long would play in a movie. And like the first thing my mind goes to is he is a comics accurate John Walker.
00:35:47
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He is, which is weird because like short like in the U.S. s agent era, they were constantly casting him as Steve Rogers. Yeah. like he's He's so obviously John Walker.
00:36:01
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He's obviously John Walker. Wow. they They missed it. they They were so close every time, and they just missed it. ah Although, I thought i the guy that ultimately did play John Walker, oh what is his name?
00:36:20
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Wyatt russ Russell. Yeah, Wyatt Russell. He was a really great ah John Walker for TV because he has such a distinct face that as you soon as you see him in a Captain America costume, you're like, that's not fucking Captain America. Who the fuck is that guy?
00:36:35
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Yeah, his his jaw does not look... he You could not cast a more different jaw from... Yeah. ah From... ah Chris Evans. evans Yeah.
00:36:47
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But... ah Yeah, it's it was right there. It was right there the whole time, and they just missed it. Okay, while we're talking about general casting stuff, because I know we we I really wanted to talk about Superman and the whole new DC Universe stuff, but I do want to touch a little bit on Fantastic Four, even though I haven't seen it yet.
00:37:09
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um Yeah, let's hear it. I don't think any of the three of us have seen it yet. yeah I have not seen it yet. I'm looking forward to it I'm a little like Superman was so good that to me Fantastic Four already feels overshadowed in a way that I wish it wasn't.
00:37:24
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it There's almost no way for it to not be a letdown, I'm afraid. It's hard to imagine because even if it's a really great portrayal of Fantastic Four, it's not going to – it's it's not going to have that moment that that Superman has where the movie looks out at you and says, also, I have your politics.
00:37:43
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ah That's right. Yeah. um But I cannot imagine, and I've been saying this since he was announced, I cannot imagine a better casting choice for Ben Grimm than Evan Moss Bacharach.
00:37:58
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Yeah. have you Have you caught some of the stuff he's been saying lately on his press tour? Because it's like every right thing.
00:38:08
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I saw him, somebody asked what he would do if he had the thing's powers, and he was like, throw fascists into space. Yes, he said, there are some fascists I would throw into space.
00:38:21
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Perfect. Oh my god. And here's the thing that I figured out about about why the casting... of Bacharach as Ben Grimm is so good and so head and shoulders above anything anybody's tried to do as Ben Grimm in the past.
00:38:37
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It's not just because he's a very good actor, which he is, or because he's a specific sort of, you know, East Coast urban type, which is also true. And both of those things are good. But like, he's also hot.
00:38:52
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And I feel like something that is missed about Ben Grimm is that he's kind of supposed to have a smolder. Like, yeah, he's literally the blue-eyed idol of millions.
00:39:03
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Well, it's – Eben Moss-Bakarek is hot in a particular kind of, like, schlubby way. Yeah. that ah That I think is very appropriate to Ben Grimm. Like, not not not that not to say there was anything wrong with Michael Chiklis as an actor. Like – It's weird that the Thing, him and the Thing but makeup looked like Michael Chiklis. Right. They literally cast Michael Chiklis because he already looked like the Thing.
00:39:30
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That was some Wizard Magazine ass casting. It really was, yes. yeah The only time that kind of casting has ever worked was Patrick Stewart as Professor X. Correct. And it made a little more sense for that era because obviously they just put like a thin layer of latex on him and said, no, you're the Thing.
00:39:47
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ah But then in the in that other shitty movie, they did like the opposite, which is that they cast Jamie Bell, who is like a little skinny guy in this way that Ben Grimm never was. ah Yeah, i actually had to look up who played him and that movie, because I'd forgotten.
00:40:06
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But Ben Grimm is like... And Edmund Mons-Baccarat, like you said, he's a very particular kind of of attractive, and he's yeah he's believable as... like Oh, yeah, that guy was a famous astronaut in the 60s.
00:40:19
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Like, he totally has that. He totally has that look. And he has that kind of ah personality and, again, those, you know, signature blue eyes where you can, like, continue his particular sort of hotness into him being a big rock monster.
00:40:39
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ah In a way that I think is sort of ah essential two to the Bingram equation. the The combination of his charm as an actor, and then also the thing just looking like the thing yeah from comic books already made me more interested in that movie than any take on Fantastic Four before.
00:41:09
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Because they always made him look kind of wrong in every movie before. Nobody since Roger Corman has gotten the brow. yeah Yeah. It's just not been there.
00:41:21
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It's true.
00:41:23
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like The comparison between the two movies is unavoidable, ah I think. like Just by nature of when they're coming out and how the DC movies have not been good and the Marvel movies were pretty good.
00:41:40
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that That makes me want to Sorry for interrupting you, Chris. yeah yeah I'll let you finish your question in a second. but l Earlier you said you know it's weird to be excited about ah superhero movie.
00:41:51
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Do you remember the last time you were excited about a superhero? I think the last time I was really excited about a new superhero movie was The Batman. Okay. i also like The last Marvel movie I looked forward to and then enjoyed would have been Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which right I thought kind of, and I think, I remember you guys talking about it, and I feel like you're kind of on the same page I am. That like that movie kind of got a bad rap publicly. People were like, ew, it's too, you know, it's kind of a mess. And I'm like, it's a Sam Raimi Doctor Strange movie. It's everything that that should be. Well, I think the general public has gotten and is sick of multiverse stuff.
00:42:35
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um yeah and And that's why that movie gets a bad rap, but like well it's a very fun movie to watch. It is guilty of the thing that has really they really started to sour me on Marvel movies, ah which is the bit with Charlize Theron as Clay at the end.
00:42:52
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They just started throwing shit at the wall in those end credits with no conception of when it might turn up. Yeah, I mean, the worst offender on that, and I feel like the worst offender of Marvel movies and where things really started to turn, was Eternals.
00:43:13
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Right. like Because Eternals has two post-credit scenes that are like, they're never going to do anything with either of these. All right, all right. Look, I... i Did you two like get together before we started recording and decide you were going to like prank me into thinking there was an Eternals movie? like That first post-credit scene brings fucking Harry Styles.
00:43:48
Speaker
Fucking Harry Styles Star Fox. As Star Fox. Don't put Star Fox in a movie. And then the second one is like a Black Knight tease where Blade talks from off screen. Apparently that Blade movie is getting made, but I'll believe it when I see it.
00:44:05
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um ah The last Thor movie brought in the the guy from Ted Lasso as Hercules. Oh, right, yeah. yeah In the post-credits. And that's clearly going nowhere.
00:44:17
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i don't even I didn't even love that casting, although I think ah the guy whose name I can't think of at the time is a good, likable actor. ah Yeah. But I never quite was like, oh, yeah, that's definitely Hercules.
00:44:30
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But I guess he's probably not Hercules, so who really cares? That's just a like a ah an actor people like from a popular thing. Yeah. yeah That's really all it is, yeah.
00:44:41
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What I was getting at is not to put the the movies into competition in a way that they aren't necessarily. And not that you know I have a particular um dog in this fight.
00:44:56
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ah No pun intended. You'll see in a minute. But I don't think, as someone who loves Marvel Comics and loves Benjamin J. Grimm and has a lot of fondness for the Fantastic Four and overwhelming affection for Jack Kirby, i honest to God, do not know if there's anything they could put in that movie that would be as much of a signal to me as having Crypto in that first trailer for Superman. um
00:45:31
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Because there's nothing in the Fantastic Four that is, like, ignored in the way that Crypto and Jimmy Olsen were ignored. Yeah. Like, if John Cena showed up as the champion of the universe, maybe. Okay.
00:45:50
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but I would say for me there is one thing that I could kind of put in that category. which is ah the space age setting slash vibe. the like you know they're It's not like they're necessarily saying, hey, it's 1963, but they're letting you feel like it's 1963, and no Fantastic Four movie has been interested in that before.
00:46:14
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Yeah, their way of getting around that, it's instead of making it a period movie, is just setting it in a different universe that... It's like in a perpetual futuristic 1960s.
00:46:25
Speaker
Is that what it is? Yes. Okay. And the earth the Earth is named after Kirby's birthday. I forget what it is, but it's the month and day of Kirby's birthday. August 28th.
00:46:35
Speaker
It's my local area code, 828. Yeah. yeah Earth 828. How did you not know Jack Kirby's birthday off the top of your head? oh Unbelievable. Well, I knew that you would. Yeah.
00:46:47
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Anyway. Now that I've talked about crypto, boy, there's a lot of crypto in that movie. There's more crypto in that movie than I was expecting, and I loved every second of it. Crypto's terrible. What a good dog. yeah Oh, here's your here's your warning, by the way, listener. we We're going full spoiler on Superman.
00:47:03
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but like We haven't seen Fantastic Four yet. I know the plot, unfortunately, for other reasons, but – but we're We're not going to spoil that one, but we are going to go like total spoiler on Superman. So this is your warning if you don't want to get spoiled and you haven't seen it yet.
00:47:25
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um We're going total spoiler. Spoiler's not in it. No, but like I'm now convinced that that could happen yeah in a future movie.
00:47:35
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Because
00:47:39
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that Superman movie didn't just have Mr. Terrific in it. it made It made Mr. Terrific cool as fuck. Yeah, it did.
00:47:50
Speaker
That's unbelievable. a thing A wild thing to me about that movie is how easily i could picture that Superman hanging out with the Batman.
00:48:02
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yeah Like the Robert Pattinson Batman. And they're very different movies, but I was like, yeah, I get it. You know what I was thinking? and And I i was thinking this before I even found out that apparently James Gunn and Robert Pattinson have talked about him being Batman in the DCU.
00:48:18
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ah I think it would be great if like, if those movies took place in the DCU, but the DCU wasn't really present in the Matt Reeves Batman movies. Yeah.
00:48:31
Speaker
So like Gotham is still like literally very dark. Yeah. But there's this whole DC universe outside of it and Batman can leave the DC universe and, uh, you know, i interact with, you know, I, if you wanted, I'm just throwing this out there. Maybe Batman visits the fortress of solitude and he needs like a temporary uniform and the robots whip him up one that's fabric and gray and blue.
00:48:58
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It would be nice. But what I really want, though, that I was thinking, that what I think would be great is eventually there's going to be a supervillain team. ah You know, Legion of Doom, Injustice League, whatever you call it.
00:49:09
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And I want ah fucking Paul Dano to show up as the Riddler in a bright green three-piece suit with question marks all over it and a little purple domino mask.
00:49:21
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And be like, yeah, that's you know that's what I thought I had to look like to be scary in Gotham. But now that I'm doing this, this makes sense.
00:49:30
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Yeah. Because I feel like that that character could totally make that transition into just being the Riddler. i think i I agree with that. oh i would I would love to see that.
00:49:44
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I mean, obviously. Obviously. Yeah, like, oh oh, you want to put more Batman shit in something? Yeah, I could take it. But, you know, I also like, and I was, I forget who I was saying this to, but, oh, I was talking to, uh,
00:50:03
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i to our friend Charlotte in chat. And I was saying that, ah you know, what's great about Mr. Terrific is Mr. Terrific can sort of be like the a kind of Batman guy as a supporting character in a Superman movie.
00:50:17
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And he doesn't have to like hold things back for his own franchise. Yeah, even though he'll probably get an HBO Max series at some point, but you know you can do whatever with that. it's not Here's ah ah a sentence I never thought I'd say. I'd probably watch that HBO Max Mr. Terrific series, right?
00:50:33
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Yeah, I mean, they really did a great job of introducing him specifically. like I mean, Guy Gardner is likable, and Hawkgirl is... Well cast and well performed, even though she didn't get a ton to do.
00:50:46
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I think she probably has the biggest future of any of the secondary superheroes introduced. Well, yeah, or she's going to get reincarnated. I mean, also true. But ah the fact that she's you know Isabella Merced, who's a like you know i talented and promising young actress who's hal already had a lot of buzz. you know She's on the Last of Us. Last of Us.
00:51:09
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She was Dora the Explorer. She was Dora. Yeah. And I feel like that character is really like well set up to like go on to like the real Justice League when that happens.
00:51:22
Speaker
And maybe you know her own spinoff at some point. but and I didn't know, because you guys were just talking about the recent ah Hot Girl series. I didn't know Hot Girl was queer now.
00:51:33
Speaker
Well, I misinterpreted... ah a relationship in that. Oh, really? Apparently they are just friends. Oh, well. and and And that being Jadzia Axelrod ah writing that, like that's that's an intentional choice.
00:51:50
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um But I think like she's as queer-coded in that series as she could possibly be. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and when you cast a ah queer actress in the role, that sort i mean, let's be honest, Hawkgirl has been queer coded since the Justice League cartoon, with apologies to Jon Stewart. a But I really feel like there's potential in, you know, in in in in the the future of the DC franchise in like, you know, a queer Latina Hawkgirl just shrieking and kicking ass across multiple movies.
00:52:29
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and Also, I thought it was really smart the way there's a lot of doors that are sort of left open in the Superman movie for the DC Universe. I mean, literally doors to a pocket universe. Well, yes, that's also true.
00:52:42
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But like you never really know, and it doesn't really matter to the story if the Justice Gang is something that comes before the Justice League or something that comes after an initial attempt at the Justice League.
00:52:55
Speaker
Well, it's it's interesting. like They're never called the JLI in the movie, right? But they're basically the JLI. Yes. because Because they're funded by Maxwell Lord. And that that was the least amount of Sean Gunn I think there's ever been in a James Gunn movie that I can recall.
00:53:14
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But it was an effective like single scene of him. And like it definitely feels like they're goingnna like the real Justice League is going to emerge out of the JLI somehow.
00:53:26
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Yeah. Which I find kind of fascinating. Side note, I never thought I'd see Sean Gunn playing a character previously played by Pedro Pascal and think, thank God they got him right this time.
00:53:38
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I know. i know. It's a strange new world we're living in. Yeah. ah The only, like, as, ah you know, an old-time DC Comics fan, the only character that i didn't feel like ah came out of the movie with the full love that they deserved as Rex Mason.
00:54:00
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Because to make him fit the role that he had in the movie, you kind of had to do like broken, sad dad, like Justice League Europe metamorpho. Right. Which is not really the best version of him, but it's the best version of him for the story that they were telling.
00:54:14
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was you that the initially said that and and pointed out that it's the Justice League Europe metamorpho and the kind of post Batman and the Outsiders metamorpho and not what we all want, which is the the Bob Haney, Ramona Freight, and Metamorpho.
00:54:29
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Yeah. Although, you know, ah ah that actor you know can do all sorts of things. You could have Metamorpho get like back on his feet and give him ah you know a rollicking spinoff aye where he could have any number of adventures involving tiny screaming aliens. keep wanting to not be a Mark.
00:54:52
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You know? i keep wanting to not go like... That's Rocket Raccoon. This must be good. And yet, here I am sitting in theater. First of all, when the engineer showed up, that was a surprise. i did not know that was going to happen.
00:55:10
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it's It's the engineer, but only somewhat nominally the engineer. She's like, engineer by way of Mercy Graves. Yeah, but she is the engineer!
00:55:20
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she i mean, she she could make her arms into she's spinning blades, for sure. She replaced her blood with nine pints of liquid metal nanomachines, Matt. I don't know how she could be more the engineer than Matt.
00:55:35
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um Fair enough. but like yeah i go ah But, like, that is a movie where I was like, I turned to my my wife while we were watching and I went, that's Sapphire Stag! Yeah.
00:55:47
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Safi babies in this movie. ah i and One thing that i I was thinking is that I really felt like people were so up in arms. And I know a lot of people are just in bad faith about like just blatantly wanting this movie to fail because they have a weird boner for Zack Snyder, which is its own thing.
00:56:06
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But... i there There was a lot of like hemming and hawing about how many superheroes were in this movie before it came out. And how could it be focused on Superman when you've got Metamorpho and in the Justice Gang and everybody hanging around.
00:56:21
Speaker
And ultimately, i really felt like, with the exception of Supergirl, which didn't even bother me, the superheroes were in this movie the superroes who were in this movie were there because those were the superheroes that fit into the story, not because shit was being set up for later.
00:56:43
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i I think that's... I agree and disagree with that. i There was one moment in the movie where I thought, Superman should have taken care of this.
00:56:56
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And it's when the big kaiju thing happens. Because like... Superman is, like, when the kaiju first attacks, Superman is spending a lot of his energy and time just saving people from it.
00:57:12
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And then the Justice Gang comes in and, like, kills it, and Superman's upset about that because he didn't want to kill it. And, like, on the one hand, story-wise, I understand why all that happened.
00:57:30
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But, like, in my mind, I kind of thought, I wanted Superman to just deal with this problem in a Superman way. You know what I mean? So that was the one time where I was like, the the the heroes the other heroes were detracting a little bit.
00:57:50
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Yeah, it's at no point in that movie did i did I ever have the feeling, well, we've got to find out what happens in the Nathan Fillion Guy Gardner movie.
00:58:01
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Right. ah He never feels like anything but a part of a team, right? yeah Yeah. And even, like, I literally thought Guy Gardner was going to be a joke cameo.
00:58:14
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But he's actually, like, the perfect DC character for the role he has. Not just because, you know, he's a longtime JLI guy, but because, like, you want whoever is, like, the nominal leader of the Justice Gang to be like kind of an idiot and maybe a little bit of a coward so that he doesn't immediately back Superman.
00:58:35
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But he also needs some sort of like veteran status or heir of authority, like perhaps you know a ring because he's a space cop, so that you buy that he's in charge.
00:58:46
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and yeah It's just yeah Guy Gardner. that's who That's who fits that part. What really sold me on him was that scene with Lois. Yeah. In the... Justice League headquarters. Yeah, in the Cincinnati Union Terminal. Yeah. yeah yeah i And also, he can easily be replaced.
00:59:04
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Yeah. Like, in an instant. And it's not a big deal. That's the first thing you find out about Green Lantern, is that he can be replaced. Yeah. First thing that happens to one of those dudes is he fucking dies.
00:59:18
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That's true. yeah i I find it interesting how and And something I've seen a lot of people remark on is how Superman like so immediately throws you in the deep end.
00:59:32
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like
00:59:35
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you you know we're We're talking about the vibe change in superhero movies. And there's certainly like a tone change in both Superman and, we assume and believe, the Fantastic Four movie. like Fantastic Four doesn't have crypto, but it's got Herbie.
00:59:52
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You know? Very, very different. Matt, we'll we'll we'll talk off mic about what you just said and how it offended me. I'm saying it's embracing the sillier stuff is what I mean. The silver age.
01:00:06
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For good and bad, yeah. um ah her like also okay
01:00:12
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ah But also, there's the element of just like, we don't need to hold your hand anymore. We've been doing this for almost 20 years of just the MCU. And if we're including like X-Men, this entire century, like since the year 2000, superhero movies have been in movie theaters. There was decade of Batman movies before that.
01:00:40
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Yeah. Every year. summer. Every summer. So like we don't need to explain to you what a superhero is anymore or what a superhero universe is or how any of this works.
01:00:54
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Here you go. And wow, do I love that. yeah Yeah, very much so. Yeah. All right. The idea that like none of none of the supporting characters in a Superman movie should also be superheroes is extremely outdated because everyone knows and has known for 20 years that Superman hangs out with superheroes.
01:01:19
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Because the Justice League cartoon was also a huge thing. yeah you know i mean of Of course, there were super friends before that. The superheroes always hung out together. Yeah. Yeah. it's it And I also like that because I went on to social media website Blue Sky and I said my spoiler-free review of this movie was, at last, Superman 3 can lay down its burden as the only good Superman movie.
01:01:46
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And people wanted to argue with me about that. Well, people loved that first one. yeah That first one is wrong nothing but hand-holding for like an hour. Gen X-Men.
01:01:59
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ah Like Chamber?
01:02:04
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Not to be confused with Chambers, who has too bad. That's correct. Gen X-Men cannot be normal about Christopher Reeve's Superman. It's a thing. and like i I don't know if it's just because they saw it when they were two. I mean, I saw it when I was two, but i just it was a little later and I'm a little different, so it didn't hit me the same.
01:02:24
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yeah look There's a lot of dudes who are like a little older than us. Who just can't like look at that movie with normal eyes ever. part of like part of Some of those dudes have made Superman movies.
01:02:37
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Part of me gets that. Because Christopher Reeve couldn't have asked for a better Superman. Could not have have asked for a better Superman. It's also 45 fucking minutes before Superman's in that movie.
01:02:49
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and Well, ah look. You can't say shit to me about Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. So I get it true. Yeah. But you know what? You know what? I've gone back and watched both of those movies recently, and you know what?
01:03:05
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Spider-Man's good. But here's the thing. and i And i'm I'm going to remind listeners before I say what I'm about to say. I went to film school. I'm very educated in these matters.
01:03:18
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Movies in the 70s were fucking boring. Yeah. ah Like by and large movies like they just did not have the same pace, especially like, ah you know, quote unquote grown up movies.
01:03:32
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And the whole point of Superman was that it was trying to prove that you could make a real movie with a Subaru, not just a Saturday morning, you know. Right, you will believe a man can fly. Yeah, exactly. The whole point of that movie, the whole reason it takes 45 goddamn minutes for any superhero shit to happen, the whole reason that they hired...
01:03:54
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Marlon Brando, you know who couldn't even be taught to pronounce the word Krypton, is that they were trying to say this is cinema. you know And I guess that worked. maybe those Maybe those kids of that era, their parents had already shown them so many 1970s movies that they were like, oh, well, this is as boring as everything else, but it has a really good Superman in it, so it's going to be my favorite movie for the rest of my life.
01:04:15
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That movie came out a year after Star Wars.
01:04:21
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Yes. That's all I'm saying. No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. i i don't like it. It's not. I'm just trying to to understand why many, many.
01:04:34
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i'm just I'm just saying things like people, but mainly men do. it's It's notable that Star Wars was not trying to be a nineteen seventy s movie. Star Wars was trying to be like the serials of the 30s. Yeah, it was almost doing the opposite thing.
01:04:50
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Because there were no superhero movies in the 70s. There were tons of sci-fi movies in the 70s. But they were all huge fucking bummers until Star Wars. Yeah. yeah but i I have just always felt like the only reason there was a Superman movie is because Star Wars made a billion dollars.
01:05:11
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And so they were like, oh, what's what's some other bullshit kids like? But maybe I have that wrong.
01:05:18
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i mean, maybe. i did But like it's clearly doing a different thing. Superman is in Star Wars. That's certainly true. yeah Also, Christopher Reeve was phenomenal. No disrespect to him.
01:05:31
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But people are always on this, like, he's the you know the one true cinematic Superman or whatever. when i see When I see Christopher Reeve's footage now... I don't buy it as Superman. I just buy it as Christopher Reeves.
01:05:45
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Like he's so, ah they made him so aggressively like clean cut as Superman and his hair is so like shellacked that I'm, it's just very like, it's very 1978 and that's fine because that's when that movie was made.
01:05:59
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But, uh, David Corn Sweat's hair fucking moves when he moves.
01:06:07
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Uh, and I'm in favor of that. And it's combed the right way. yeah The one thing that I was not so sure about was him being cast as Superman, and I could not have been more wrong about questioning that. He was so good.
01:06:23
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He was yeah was excellent. Yeah, he he really was. i I think, much in the same way that i ah my for one of my more surprising hot takes is that I don't think that there's ever been bad casting for Batman.
01:06:40
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like I can see it for everybody. And I feel very similarly to Superman, where it's like, yeah, I get Henry Cavill. I get Brandon Routh.
01:06:52
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If you watch him in other stuff, you you you're like, oh yeah, okay, I get this. See, here's the thing. continuing Continuing what we were saying about Christopher Reeve, I'll just add this.
01:07:03
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ah I feel like this new Superman is the first post-Christopher Reeve Superman movie ever. that has no relationship to those movies.
01:07:14
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Because all Brandon Routh is doing is trying to be Christopher Reeve, or all Bryan Singer is doing is trying recreate Christopher Reeve. Trying to be Richard Donner. Yeah. And all Henry Cavill and Zack Snyder are doing are is not being that's those movies. That's literally all they have.
01:07:30
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They don't have anything good. They just have, let's do everything different from the way it used to be. Yeah, which brings me to something that I wanted to talk to you about, because I know what Matt's initial feeling was on this, and I'm i am curious if that changed after seeing it, but I know both of us knew, because you found out and then I asked you to tell me, ah both of us knew going into it that Superman's parents had ah sent him essentially to conquer Superman.
01:08:02
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the earth, or or or to thrive via conquest. They sent him someplace where he could easily take over and would be safe. If you want to be charitable about it. And my initial thought was, oh, like Dragon Ball.
01:08:15
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Because there's a surprising amount of Dragon Ball in that movie. But I feel like having watched it, that I might not love that as a take on Superman and Jor-El and Lara.
01:08:33
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I prefer when there is a i guess more of a purity to their motives, but also i feel like thematically it is so necessary To make this Superman movie be like, actually, fuck Krypton.
01:08:51
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That's not what Superman's about. Because every other fucking Superman movie is all about Krypton. Yeah. I also, like, once I saw the payoff at the end.
01:09:02
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Yeah. Where it's like, show him the video of his parents. He loves to watch it. And then it's Mon Pa Kent.
01:09:11
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That ah made me feel some stuff, and ah it that was great. like That made it all worth it for me. Did either of you cry? ah i definitely teared up at a ah point or two.
01:09:25
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The Pa Kent scene. The scene where it's just Clark and Pa Kent sitting outside, and Pa Kent tells him, you are you're not your parents. You are who you decide to be.
01:09:38
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That's the part where I teared up, for sure. Yeah. Let me say this about Ma and Pa Kenner. In addition to the fact that they were wonderful in this movie, they were my favorite Ma and Pa Kenner ever. But I had never previously had the thought of like, oh, John Schneider and Annette O'Toole are just like a ah a fascist idealized version of country people before.
01:10:00
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But in retrospect, you know, yeah, that's kind of what they were. Cleaned boots. That was my favorite part. What got me was when the when the little kids make the Superman flag.
01:10:13
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That's also great, yeah. That shit fucking wrecked me. the but But, like, Ma and Pa Kent, like, we got a comment from a listener, like, that was upset that they were so countryfied and saw it as sort of like a stereotype of Kansans, which I can see.
01:10:35
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But... ah But I thought it was, I personally thought it was so great to see the Kents actually be country folk.
01:10:46
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Who have good hearts. I don't mean to laugh that much at someone's take, because I think that's, you know, that's valid. um But as someone who does ah come from a small country-ass town, i felt seen.
01:11:02
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Yeah, same. Yeah.
01:11:06
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and Now, I will say, I can't really speak to the accents. I know we're all from the South. When I heard the kids speak in the movie, I was like, they sound kind of Southern for Kansas to me. But I also know that actual rural people of the kind that again, you don't often see in in blockbuster movies, often have a rural accent that sounds Southern to me, even they're not from the South.
01:11:28
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Yeah, yeah it's it's that it's that bit about how, you know, Roswell, Georgia... and And Bakersfield, California, and Bozeman, Montana all have the same accent.
01:11:42
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Yes. That was David Crossbett. Yeah, David Crossbett. I read that album back in the day. Which I think is true. There is a certain rural accent.
01:11:54
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Yes. That if any one of the three of us is not careful... It's coming out. It might come out. Yeah. Yeah. and And as far as the Jor-El thing, too, like... Jor-El's been evil in the comics.
01:12:11
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So I, like, justified for that that for myself that way, too. Like... Yeah. it Honestly, it doesn't bother me. I kind of like it. Like...
01:12:23
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If... You know, you know i I am a particular kind of of comics nerd who who likes the old campy comics, as as y'all and many of you listeners know.
01:12:34
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And if the Jor-El who was evil was the Jor-El who looks exactly like Superman, except he wears green and has a headband, I would feel more upset. Yeah.
01:12:45
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But Bradley Cooper Jor-El can be as evil as he wants, and it doesn't really get under my skin. Because I like what it does to Superman's story, and because it makes who he is about the parents who raised him, not the parents who birthed him.
01:13:03
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And I think that's better for Superman. I don't think I would call this Jor-El evil.
01:13:13
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He's got bad intentions. Well, his intent is for his species to endure. for for cryp for i you know i guess he he sort of wants Kal-El to make Earth into new Krypton.
01:13:30
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Yeah. so Which, you know, if Earth was about to explode and I could only send Biscuit. to a planet of like real fucking bozos where where she could take over, I'd be like, hell yeah, go go get as many treats as you want.
01:13:49
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Wasn't that the idea of him like ah conquering... Wasn't that kind of in the like John Byrne Krypton stuff? the It's definitely... There was a lot of Byrne Krypton in that.
01:14:02
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And i I mean, again, you know that The only true DC universe is the post-zero-hour DC universe. ah Everything else is but a pale imitation.
01:14:13
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i mean, fair. and i So I have a lot of affection for like the Burn Krypton, where like you know everything's very sterile and and emotionless, and one of the reasons that Jor-El sends him to Earth is because, like yeah, like he'll be stronger than everybody. like That's a great way to keep him safe.
01:14:32
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Yeah. And also he shows Lara a shirtless farmer and she swoons. What a great comic. Shame what happened to that guy. ah So this is already a supersized interview. I want to get to listener questions here in a sec.
01:14:53
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At least a handful of them. But, Elle, are there any more points you want to make about Superman or superhero movies in general right now. but i get to that well okay I do have some thoughts because this is literally the intersection of the two things I was most known for when I covered comics on the internet.
01:15:14
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I have some thoughts about the casting of Wonder Woman, which is a thing that's happening again. by ah that supposedly you know i James Gunn is thinking about it. There are other writers involved. He might be meeting with some actresses.
01:15:29
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And this is something I've given a lot of thought to. um And I'm not saying I have like the right answer, but I feel like people think about the casting of Wonder Woman some very strange ways.
01:15:41
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by Because, like, okay. Everybody likes Linda Carter, right? Like, it's not even like Adam West, where, like, you can find, in any comic any comment section, you can find dumbasses who think Adam West wasn't a good Batman.
01:15:57
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There's not even that with Linda Carter. Anybody who likes Wonder Woman thinks Linda Carter was a good Wonder Woman. But at some point, we decided that Wonder Woman should be nothing like Linda Carter, which is weird, right?
01:16:09
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Well, it's kind of like the same thing as, like, i think most people agree that Christopher Reeve was a good Superman, but... we had but we had one absolute copy of Christopher Reeve as Superman and then one like everything that he wasn't, right? yeah I think that there came a point And I have i have i don't i don't i have a whole half-big theory about how ever since Xena Warrior Princess, people have wanted Wonder Woman to be Xena instead of Wonder Woman.
01:16:41
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But i i I haven't done enough research to proclaim that fact. There's something to that, though. i Yeah. As a noted Xena expert, you're not wrong.
01:16:52
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I mean, yeah, because it's so like at some point, and it seems like it was around the ninety s Everybody was like, wait, what if Wonder Woman wore armor and had a sword, though? What if she had like a Roman-style skirt instead of a little well swimsuit bottom? you know it just sort of It just sort of happened, and nobody was like, hey, she looks like Xena now.
01:17:09
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But she definitely evolved in a Xena-esque direction. ah But the thing about Xena is that she has Gabrielle. he And certainly...
01:17:22
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you could write a version of Wonder Woman where Etta Candy or any number of other characters played a similar role, but nobody ever does that. so if you So if you have like a Wonder Woman who's like Xena, you don't have anything to like balance out that like warrior aspect.
01:17:40
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and I think the first Wonder Woman movie worked to the degree it did because Chris Pine is so charismatic that he can sort of be that ingenue. ah you know, despite being a military dude himself.
01:17:55
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But I think that... I'm sorry, I'm just like monologuing now. Obviously, i have a lot of thoughts about Wonder Woman, but those who know me know that has always been true. i I think that the casting of Gal Gadot seemed to make sense at the time and seems terrible in retrospect.
01:18:14
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Yeah. And, you know, and I, this is something I've been thinking about lately. You know, there's a writer that you guys don't talk about anymore that I used to be a big, bigger, much bigger fan of than you guys.
01:18:26
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Uh, that, that, you know, we've learned some things about in the past year and I've come to the, I've come around to the conclusion uh, even though it gets a bad rap, like,
01:18:39
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cancellation can actually provide a lot of insight into people's work. When you look back at like the works of people that we don't like anymore, you find stuff.
01:18:50
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And you could be like, oh, that's not a sincere way to engage with art or whatever, but that's bullshit. We know who made shit.
01:18:58
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And I feel like when you look back at Gal Gadot now, you realize that she was never really an actor. like she she didn't go to so She didn't train to be an actor. She literally trained to be a soldier.
01:19:12
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And the things that Gal Gadot is good at, the reason that she's pretty good in some Fast and Furious movies and okay in a couple of grim-ass DC movies is because she's very good at telling stories through simulated violence.
01:19:26
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Yeah, I mean... I think inarguably the best of those movies that she's in is the first Wonder Woman, in which is set in World War I, where the the best scene is her walking across the no man's land.
01:19:41
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so yeah yeah ah Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, she can't like... She can sort of struggle her way through some dialogue. She can't certainly can't deliver a snappy zinger or like express a sincere emotion.
01:19:54
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ah And you know she also doesn't have... that Linda Carter charisma that I think people have decided Wonder Woman doesn't need, but I think actually she does. you know And when I say Linda Carter charisma, like I'm not saying... like ah Have I said him before in the past that I think Alexander Daddario would make an excellent Wonder Woman? I have.
01:20:20
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But I'm not advocating that right now in 2025 for the new DCU. I don't think Wonder Woman needs to be... You know, a pale white lady with bright blue eyes.
01:20:32
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Certainly not in the DCU because that's what Lois Lane looks like, and hopefully they'll get to hang out eventually. But I do think you need someone who can be passable not just as a warrior, but as a diplomat.
01:20:44
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As someone who can make friends and win people over in addition to just kicking their asses. Yeah. And I know there's rumors about ah Adria Arjona, the actress who plays Bix in the Star Wars Andor series, that she might be ah in talks to be the new Wonder Woman.
01:21:05
Speaker
And I think she would be great. I think she does have a lot more, or she's certainly better actor than Gal Gadot. And I think she has a lot more... ah charisma in that kind of, you know, ah that way where she can actually seem like somebody you'd want to hang out with, even if you weren't on the same side, ah you know, in World War I in that moment.
01:21:29
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i My pick, this is something I've thought about a lot. If I were in charge of casting a new Wonder Woman for the DCU, ah I think in 2025, you know, and going forward over the next several years, the best choice I could think of would be Haley Steinfeld.
01:21:49
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Of course, she was ah she was a child actress, you know, ah years ago. Most recently, she was in Sinners. And she's like, she's fairly tall. She has like the figure, the dark hair. And she...
01:22:03
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i and she
01:22:07
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can actually do all sorts of things as an actor, which is i what I think at the end of the day, Calcadote really was missing. ah Can I just say real quick, I have two thoughts based on everything you just said. ah ah One is I always thought it was very bad and wrongheaded to give Wonder Woman a sword.
01:22:31
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ah For the same reason that I think it is bad and wrong-headed to give Captain America a gun. I agree with both of those thoughts. Until I read Absolute Wonder Woman, and I'm like, no, the problem was the sword wasn't big enough.
01:22:42
Speaker
I've not read Absolute Wonder Woman yet. I don't read single-issue comics anymore, so I'm sort of waiting on things. When do you see the sword? All of the Absolute books sound pretty great from everything I've heard.
01:22:56
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it's It's shocking how good that line has turned out to be. um All right. We're going to take some listener questions real quick. My other thought real fast. I think we should give Dakota Johnson another shot.
01:23:09
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As Wonder Woman? Yeah. i i Reunite the Madam Web team. That's that's my thought. anyway Isabella Merced is already there.
01:23:21
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ah The other, and another, I was trying to think of like off the wall wonder woman's who aren't like, ah you know, fighter types, but could potentially have the charisma to do it. and I was like, you know, Dochi would actually make a pretty interesting wonder woman.
01:23:36
Speaker
I don't know she's interested in acting, but I would be interested in the idea of a Dochi wonder woman. All right, we're going to briefly take some listener questions. This is going to have to be kind of a lightning round of listener questions. ah um Sorry, i've been I've been talking way too much.
01:23:53
Speaker
No, we but we all have. we we got We got things to say about these movies. um If you would like to ask a listener question of our guests when we have a guest on the show, you can do it on Blue Sky. We're on Blue Sky at warrocketajax.com.
01:24:05
Speaker
Or you can do it on our Discord, ah which we have to be invited to be a member of. But if you ask nicely for an invitation, we will get you one. Here's a question from Pedro Valor, who asks, has Elle seen K-pop Demon Hunters, and if so, thoughts?
01:24:22
Speaker
I have not, but I want to. ah The whole like i Netflix anime industry is not really on my radar most of the time, but I've been hearing really good things about that movie and the music in it, so I'm definitely going to check it out.
01:24:35
Speaker
Yeah, that one seems to have broken containment. Yeah. uh, Womzilla asks mystery men justly or unjustly forgotten. Uh, unjustly.
01:24:47
Speaker
I actually had a a podcast for a little while with, uh, uh, with, uh, Jojo seems in, in, uh, Andrew Islay. And we did an episode about mystery men. Mystery men is great.
01:24:59
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Uh, it it's ah I would say it's probably in my top 10 superhero movies. like I don't have that list, but if I sit down and made it, Mystery Men is probably on it. Not near the top, but it's on there.
01:25:13
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Teeksch asks, what's your favorite superhero movie, Needle Drop?
01:25:19
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but I mean, there are good ones in Superman. There are good ones in Superman. i I love the closing credits music. The the punk rocker song.
01:25:32
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yeah, there's, there's some good ones in there. Um, I kind of, part of me is like, is it something from Zack Snyder's Watchmen? It might be something from Zack Snyder's Watchmen.
01:25:45
Speaker
But I hope not. You know, i want I feel like it's almost certainly James Gunn, because James Gunn is the needle drop in superhero movies guy. Yeah, for real. There's a lot of fun movies music in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, but I can't really think of it.
01:26:01
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Well, okay. You know that first come and get your love sequence? like I know that's like kind of cliched at this point, but that's pretty perfect. ah
01:26:13
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And it's diegetic. Yeah. Listen... it's It's very basic. Iron Man and Iron Man. Pretty good, actually.
01:26:27
Speaker
Better than ACDC. It should have all just been Black Sabbath. Because because you can't follow Iron Man with shoot to thrill, which is what they did.
01:26:43
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Lokified,
Elle's Critiques and Creative Projects
01:26:44
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Lucas Brown, on our Discord, says, less a question, more leaving space for L to talk about all the cool little guys they're painting.
01:26:52
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ah Yeah, I have gotten into Warhammer. ah i I have this whole idea. if i If I find the time to do some writing, I kind of want to write an essay about how, like,
01:27:05
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Warhammer has so much to teach like other areas of like like nerd culture and fandom. cause therere Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of fascist assholes in Warhammer, too.
01:27:16
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ah But there's also a lot of... There's a different relationship with things like continuity and canon that I find very refreshing. Anyway, uh, I recently got the new death guard combat patrol.
01:27:30
Speaker
And, uh, so I'll be painting my fourth squad of plague Marines. Uh, and there are seven plague Marines. And this is the first time I've, I've revealed this plan publicly.
01:27:40
Speaker
Uh, I'm planning to, uh, paint them to look like a pride flag. Uh, uh, So like, I'm going to have one, you know, they're going to be like six are each going to have a solid color of armor, you know, from red i to blue or purple.
01:27:58
Speaker
And then the champion, the leader of the seven men squad is going to have the progress colors like in the V pattern going down his armor. So he'll he'll have like a white helmet and black boots and the other colors in between, which I think is going to look awesome.
01:28:13
Speaker
So yeah. Thank you, Lucas. Despite this having the question construction that I would advise people not to have, I'm going to ask it. It's from Detective Spade, who says, What's the best superhero movie of the 90s, and why is it The Shadow?
01:28:31
Speaker
Don't do the and why is it. You could just be like, my favorite is The Shadow. ah Yeah, it's not The Shadow. It's definitely not The Shadow. like The Shadow. ah And moreover, I like how wrong every studio got the popularity of Batman the first time around. It's incredible.
01:28:48
Speaker
It's so good. but i was like You know what kids want? Spooky characters from the 30s, I guess? Pulp heroes? yeah Slam evil, baby. let's get Let's get the Phantom here. i kind of like the fan I like the Phantom at least as much as the Shadow, if I'm being honest. i mean it But if we're going with those kinds of movies, Darkman...
01:29:11
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Yeah. ah The Rocketeer is a strong contender. That's a great one, yeah. If only for that one part where Paul Sorvino is like, I'm a criminal, but I'm no Nazi.
01:29:23
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yeah What a great movie moment. Also, Tank Girl, not exactly a superhero, but based on a comic and an extremely underrated 90s comic book movie.
01:29:36
Speaker
This will be our last question. It's ah from ColecoVision.com. Who's your favorite comic movie pro wrestler? Like, okay. is Does that mean a pro wrestler from a comic movie? And sub-question, is there one besides Bonesaw?
01:29:52
Speaker
I think it's any pro wrestler who has been in a comics movie. So it wouldn't be, it would be like Macho Man as Bonesaw, John Cena as Peacemaker. Batista as Drax. I mean, it's John Cena as Peacemaker, I'm going to use this answer to say the two things I forgot to say about Superman.
01:30:11
Speaker
John Cena is incredible as Peacemaker. And when I was talking about all the superheroes having their own role to play in the Superman movie, even though a Peacemaker literally was a joke cameo, he was still absolutely perfect as the shitty superhero goes on Fox News.
01:30:26
Speaker
ah And it was perfect for that character, yeah. Right, exactly. He's literally like the superhero Dean Cain. Yeah.
01:30:34
Speaker
Oh, also, we haven't even mentioned Michael Ian Black's incredible Tucker Carlson impression. i you know, it was fantastic. Genuinely amazing. I was a little disappointed that Michael Ian Black was accredited as G. Gordon Godfrey, but it's okay.
01:30:48
Speaker
But ah the other thing I was going to say is I do think Dave Bautista is incredible as Drax. He brought that character to life. i never gave a There's been like three distinct versions of that character in Marvel Comics. I never gave a shit about any of them.
01:31:03
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And i Dave Bautista made him a lot of fun. he did have that He did get weirdly sexist sometimes, but that's not really his fault. It's James Gunn's fault, which is always my least favorite thing about James Gunn. The Jimmy Olsen of it all like in Superman, like if you think about it a little too hard...
01:31:23
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Right. They could have had just one scene where they were like, oh, she is doing that on purpose. She's actually pretty smart. Oh, Jimmy realizes he likes her and it all would have been fine.
01:31:35
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ah But, you know, as I think I said, one of the first things I said to you guys after I saw the movie was like, you have to get so many things right in a Superman movie to get to well, I wish Jimmy Olsen treated his many women better.
01:31:54
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as my chief problem with the writing. you know yeah
01:32:01
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yeah ah's Take that, ah Edge, for your appearance in the TV series The Flash. I will say this wait for Adam Copeland, though. Fantastic as Ares on the Percy Jackson series on Disney+.
01:32:19
Speaker
was adam Was Adam Edge cope Copeland Jimmy Olsen? No, no, he was in he was in an episode of The Flash. He was an Atom Smasher, wasn't he? Because he's so tall.
01:32:32
Speaker
Yeah. and ah And Triple H was in a Blade movie. Never forget that. Oh, Matt, I have never forgotten. and now he's in the Trump administration. Triple H and Parker Posey sharing screen time. Parker Posey's not in the Trump administration.
01:32:50
Speaker
Correct. L, this has been very fun. uh, We could go for a lot longer, but ah unfortunately there is a time limit. ah But we'll have you back on to talk about more superhero movies sometime Anytime you want. I'm always up for it.
01:33:04
Speaker
um Tell our listeners where they can find you and and your stuff. ah Well, i'm not my career is no longer based on or really discussed on the internet, ah but I do still have a Blue Sky account at Another L where I share opinions about things and random thoughts throughout the day sometimes.
01:33:24
Speaker
I also have an Instagram at another L where I mostly post ah my painted Warhammer miniatures and sometimes a cat or two. So yeah, you can find me there.
01:33:38
Speaker
And yeah, it's like like I said, it's always, it's always great being on this show. Well, thank you so much for
Closing Remarks and Community Engagement
01:33:45
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coming on the show to talk about superhero movies. We have clearly had a very fun time.
01:33:50
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Yeah, it's been great.
01:33:54
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Thanks once again Elle Collins. That was an absolute blast of conversation. And as you can probably tell, dear listener, we could have gone on for hours with that and had a phenomenal time. but time our time is limited.
01:34:10
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But we'll be back with more next week. More time. More of our time and your time. And your time. Thank you for giving us your time, by the way. That's right. for For joining us for our time.
01:34:23
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ah That does it for this week. We are going to be back next week. I think... Is is is next week Swords, Matt? Or is next week going to be American Made? Are we going to begin Hickmania next week?
01:34:35
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i I think I need to mentally prepare myself for Hickmania. I think I need to talk about some swords for a little while. All right. but but We'll do some swords next week, probably. But in the meantime, if you want to email us, you can do that at our email address, which is warrocketpodcast at gmail.com.
01:34:51
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01:35:05
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01:35:26
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01:35:46
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