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Ep 06- Liam Cullinane: Legionnaire Part 2- Finding Freedom
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In this episode, we hear about Liam's time after the Legion. While some might say tragedy struck, there is nothing tragic about Liam or how he perceives the world. This is my favorite discussion thus far on the podcast. Liam is an indomitable spirit, with a depth of character that is rare, as is the grace that Liam brings to life.
I am grateful to be a part of sharing his story.
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Transcript
Welcome and Guest Introduction
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philosophecker
Hello, welcome to Philosophagery. And today we have part two with Liam Cullinan. Since our last recording, many people have asked to know more about Liam's active duty in the Legion.
Focus on Post-Ditch Period
00:00:18
philosophecker
And because of that, we've decided to do a third podcast, which will be on this subject and other subjects. But for now, we're going to continue as planned and talk about Liam's time after the ditch. So hi, Liam. Thanks for coming back. So how have you been since? Good, very good. Nice, nice. Okay, so the last time we were here, we finished just after you had gone on your trip to the Himalayas.
Transition to Commercial Diving
00:00:57
philosophecker
You then went to Egypt.
00:01:01
philosophecker
where you continued some diving which you had started in the Legion in the Special Forces. Just a couple of dives. A couple of dives in the Special Forces. And then you went on to Fort William in Scotland to become a commercial diver. So how did it feel arriving at Fort William in Scotland first with this new adventure ahead of you?
00:01:28
philosophecker
very very ah heavy sort of the saying and for Fort William regarding the weather If you can't see Benevas, Benevas is the highest mountain in the UK, and it's very close for William. If you can't see Benevas, it's raining. If you can't see Benevas, it's about to rain.
00:02:07
philosophecker
Okay. And there are clouds keeping for William.
00:02:14
philosophecker
When you look out over the bay,
00:02:17
philosophecker
so see I was going into work in the mornings or into the live in school. The school would be on the coastline and then there would be a pier with all our diving gear. out at the end and that's where we do our training well most of it and when you look out onto the bay the clouds to be whispering by a bit like flags lost in the wind and they be fluttering about about three foot above the ground
00:03:07
philosophecker
So it was, it felt like you had the weight on your shoulders all the time. The first time I kind of attempted to climb benefits on the weekend of work, I got about 400 meters up the mountain. And I was wearing in cortex here, had the bag with, sleep, my baby bag, all that kind of stuff. Just it was needed. And the 400 meters, I turned back, absolutely decreased. And the following weekend, the was off.
00:03:55
philosophecker
But I saw both of the necessary year for that just in case, a situation. And when it got to the top of Ben Evers, there was families with young children having picnic, and they were all dressed in shops t-shirts. But the thing is there, The majority of cases does involve the mountain rescue teams in the Scottish Highlands. They pick up mainly people who were dressed in shorts, t-shirts and sandals. They got on a beautiful sunny day and suddenly, bam, it's
00:04:51
philosophecker
would be in the exact direction to see it there suddenly caught in the white house of similar situation. Yeah, I suppose when yeah you change altitudes as well and start going up, the the weather is already different up there before you've left. Yeah. But a lot of people don't notice that. I think it's a lot of the mountain rescues in Ireland and stuff are similar. It's people dressed wrong, you know, not prepared. So like you said, you you arrived up to the top of the mountain in Gore-Tex gear. After coming back from the Himalayas, I'm sure you had all the proper gear like for a mountain climb. And the locals were up there in their shorts and T-shirts and the whole shebang. But still, if the weather changed, you weren't the one in trouble. Very good. And how did you like the diving at first? Like the diving in Fort William. when When it changed from the recreational diving you had been doing in Egypt.
00:05:48
philosophecker
to kind of, okay, this is going to be worth knowing. Was there a difference different approach to it? Yeah, there was definitely no touristic scene involved in the hub.
Commercial Diving Challenges and Aspirations
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philosophecker
I remember diving in the Ross Mohammed National Park. There is this top log. You could feel a shadow passing over you. and you look up and face fully the man from Ray was cruising over your head and you be looking at the long tail thing and yeah all very very scenic pretty incredible and for will Fort William
00:06:45
philosophecker
for william The water is just black. Just black, there's no visibility, and it's colder, it's the Atlantic. Is it the North Sea up there? No, it's over on the west coast. It's coming about two hours north. A two hour drive north of Glasgow. And how long were you there? It was a three-month course. Yeah. And even though though but there wasn't the natural beauty evident in the Red Sea. But all the technological stuff you'd be working with was really interesting. You'd be learning about mixing gas No, the first level is just straight normal air diving and the maximum depth would be 50 meters to be training with hot water versus all that kind of gear. where what well What exactly would have been the job that you would have been hoping to get after that? Or did you have one lined up? Was it diving on oil rigs? Was it diving?
00:08:11
philosophecker
Well in shape, so I know that there's a lot of different jobs for commercial Yeah, the aim would be to work on the ricks and you're not off sea for both. Yeah, very early on you really like it out. That's a niche market to only experience diagrams with retrains as gas diagrams can go up there. So to become the color saturation diving.
00:08:47
philosophecker
you have to want to qualify with your basic gear diving you have to do I've used worth of logs before they qualify you to train as a saturation diver and then might have the possibility of working on the north seam stuff like that but um once again it's niche markers It's a niche market and it's a year's worth of logs and it wouldn't have been as easy to get that. It's what you got in Egypt when you jumped up the ranks because there was no other tourists around. The Scots were different, it was a bit more a bit more legalistic about them kind of things. Most of our first years might be when they in jobs like parking on fish farms, cleaning goes out or sleep.
00:09:47
philosophecker
cleaning barns and coups off the hulls of ships a dock okay yeah tough work i'd imagine that yeah yeah imagine is not at all stimulating yeah i must say maybe you dodged a bullet what do you think yeah the first year would have been a big bullet Well, my aim was the saturation diving and eventually training as well. So be on the surface controlling the
00:10:36
philosophecker
and That was the plan. That was the plan. It's a yeah, but it sounds like you it wasn't It wasn't just a plan you just thought up well I'm gonna take this next step like you said you you had planned You know what? The first year it was gonna be like it was gonna be tough clean of ranikas But you saw further into the future as you were gonna be supervising on these So you were you were a very future orientated kind of person. I think you know with with with serious plans and heading towards Well, so thoughts man for first world
00:11:10
philosophecker
I ah don't know how realistic it is to envision yourself as a saturation diver and then suddenly becoming a diacordinator. I don't know what that entails. I'm going to go with the year I thought of that as a bit like basic training to do the crappy stuff. And then once you've done that, the rise, the horizon is really open up in the world. Yeah, I get you. I think that's the way it is of a lot of stuff. But you were obviously not prepared to do the crappy stuff. You were like, okay, here we go.
00:12:03
philosophecker
from when I went from basic training to the power regiment in Grofsegol. The John Yellin was
Medical Crisis After Dental Visit
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philosophecker
incredible driving through the Grofsegol mountains. That's what this was before they constructed really good motorway system in Grofsegol. driving around these hairpin bends and carves ago and you could see quite a few cars that had fallen off the road when they were rolled over and tumbled to the bottom maybe two or three hundred meters down the hill before they stopped
00:12:55
philosophecker
tumbling over and then the gates at gates of the camp when they pulled up was looking round absolutely certain this couldn't possibly be our destination it was so ah immensely beautiful really the regiment And then the scenic backdrop at bottom of the valley, the trafficking of the mountains just grew from sea level to above.
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philosophecker
maybe, I don't know, 1,200 meters high, Andres. It's not that a few reverse of the wall, yeah, be over a few miles, yeah but it dramatically goes so shoots up. And when you're looking at from the seashore, it's astounding. I think we're in danger of going into part three here. we leave these These descriptions from lame, we can think of them as a teaser for part three. That's common. Okay, let's go back and get back to forward. And you were training hard. Become the diver. And then what was your first inkling that something wasn't right?
00:14:32
philosophecker
The first tingling of the panel make the training, I a problem with the teeth, a wet tooth, and I went to a deadest, and the pungent was, I think it was five o'clock, and at six o'clock, my head was exploding when i see exploding it felt like it felt like it was a little shit with a slash hammer smashing on my brain and i just put that on too i'm about to also get through something and and was this you had gone to the dentist then you had gone home and this this pain started
00:15:31
philosophecker
e or even before it got on. So within, within minutes of leaving the dental surgery, that this had been started. And I was sick of lab life.
00:15:50
philosophecker
And the next day, the training, all the physical stuff was I was also minor paperwork to be done. and I was asked by one of the staff members know to see it after. This was Friday. My plan was Saturday morning.
00:16:24
philosophecker
Get the bus down to Edinburgh, meet up with Harry, my brother, who was doing the university thing down there. Just have a fun weekend in Edinburgh. And on the Monday, I was flying to Holland. to start a new life, um ah yeah a chapter in your career. And indeed a new chapter did start. Yeah, it did start definitely to start, but there was no, no, no thought given to the question of
00:17:18
philosophecker
but I wanted to go and see a doctor on the Friday, although I was thinking about it until Saturday morning and I remember finding how I can remember finding exactly if one of them was feeling better off. ah ah on the it's I be fine by Saturday morning. I just thought there was an extra bad dose of something like that. And how were you Saturday morning?
00:17:59
philosophecker
Saturday in the morning doesn't really exist in my consciousness. On Friday, after the paperwork from all the days were done, they were awarded our certificate. so yeah i way sir a v And I, by lunch time,
00:18:28
philosophecker
ah cos were don so one um back two or bursting it all ah hall the So went back And pack time bags on the Friday afternoon. And I lost consciousness. And I, I was found by the, the cleaning lady on that Sunday morning unconscious in the shower so you lost consciousness on the Friday you finalised your three months of a course you'd finished that you were going to Holland to start this new chapter in the career you went home to pack to go down to Edinburgh you lost consciousness in the shower and you were found on Sunday
Navigating Initial Hospital Challenges
00:19:24
philosophecker
So you've been there 40 hours-ish?
00:19:28
philosophecker
Yeah, roughly. I only know about the whole show then because I went back to 4th volume in 2013 for my 20th anniversary. I driving center, although I had previously been in touch with that many years before. same thing
00:20:00
philosophecker
yeah Also, I'm with a friend just to let them know while they were with you were telling me that it made me laugh. They said you were found in the shower on Sunday and that that made me laugh because back in leeching times when you'd be feeling ruffled, especially if you were hungover,
00:20:35
philosophecker
Just hop in the cold shore for a few minutes and you come up and then they all set to go. So that was probably my thinking on the Friday afternoon. Just go for a cold shore and you'll be you'll be fine. It was the shower running when they found you. I honestly don't know but I imagine probably was God that alone is a scary thought to think that you were 40 hours under a cold shower one I i don't don't think I was actually under a cold shower that would probably all be ancient in the medical notes okay but yeah okay so you were
00:21:29
philosophecker
It's amazing how your thoughts, whatever training, and the training kicked in, even though it wasn't exactly like military training, but the training to have a cold shower, you'll be fine. So that's what you did. I mentioned the medical notes.
00:21:45
philosophecker
They were highly entertaining.
00:21:53
philosophecker
Well, well, to be truthful, I had to bring my medical notes to my GB to get him to read them back to me. Dear God, I couldn't read the scribble. Oh, the doctor's right. talk toward The was so harp-pushed. They were just writing out about 300 miles in no more. So I think that there was a problem of being exposed to cold water for their life and would have filled up in the north because
00:22:40
philosophecker
like Like you just said about happening all the year, the cortex didn't follow up for growing up. I also had a lot of problems. I did still have, I don't know why, but I still had all the drug stuff I brought me to the Himalayas just in case I got exposed to high-gal tissue sickness there was drugs that
00:23:17
philosophecker
lead the onset them so beyond said of symptoms for a couple of world wars and a couple of world wars might just give you nothing to get all the dangers to eat.
00:23:35
philosophecker
im full For some reason, they were still in my bags when the police were called by the cleaner to come and get me along with the ambulance. The police went through my my my my bags and stuff. and because the infant will laugh through drugs it was suspected that maybe I was some kind of drug addict oh no way so that was mentioned in the news there was a lot of stuff like they tested me for HIV a whole spectrum of tests and stuff just because
00:24:31
philosophecker
post with me no check this disease.
Meningitis Diagnosis and Physical Limitations
00:24:37
philosophecker
Not not much is known about the email. Yeah, I'm sure did we say the reason I entered up in hospital is because I'm jumping the car. It's okay. It's fine. It's when The last thing you remember before is packing your bags to go to When's your next moment of conscious awareness that you
00:25:08
philosophecker
ah no of sure za the but my first lucid memory is waking up in bed and Hardy was of my best size and Harry, he had a huge heart and he can diffuse the most insane situation and make it seem totally reasonable. And he told me what's back small. Amen. You could be freaking awkward to end a god that is very rare of disease called mainstream churches.
00:25:59
philosophecker
and on top of that still smiling you you would go and get a very real variant of that already real disease major field special straight away yeah exactly okay on that death stage I had I had no mobility I couldn't move my legs nor my arms well no lie I could move my right arm a little but I couldn't move my leg and
Understanding Meningitis and Recovery
00:26:46
philosophecker
My view was only what my eyes could maneuver around to see, so I was mad. was where I was in the room couldn't see what was on the was a door leading into the room and on the ceiling I was popped up by pillows on the ceiling there was a camera there was a camera looking down at me
00:27:27
philosophecker
and I was wondering what we were doing with the camera looking down on me that was just to keep an eye on you I guess yeah and so what was I'm sure you know now even though you probably didn't know exactly what did the meningitis do Why couldn't you move? What was it do meningitis the to you? is ah
00:28:22
philosophecker
predominant in the environment. Even if you're walking on the grass in your garden, you're exposing yourself to the bacterial hysteria. and but But for the research long after I left hospital, it turns out that 10% of percent human population have the Listeria bacteria living in their stomach.
00:29:02
philosophecker
in their digestive tract, but as long as it remains in their digestive tract, it's finding no risk of harm. And the damage to the body,
00:29:23
philosophecker
It was first walled with the brain ah the the du the brainte deerebo um and and the cerebellum is a bit like the conductor of an orchestra. straw So, all the musical instruments can be playing away in an orchestra, but there's only when they're under the fine control of an external conductor that all the noise making turns into this fantastic music and it brings your orchestra
00:30:12
philosophecker
the cerebellum is your master conductor. So but without the cerebellum in control, all the messages going to the brain, sorry, going to the body from the brain, they are lost. Fine tunes. So you have yeah the cerebellum is at the brainstem it's it's at the back of your head if any as we said in the previous show i've watched the old martial arts movies and somebody karate chop somebody in the back of the neck it'd basically knock out their cerebellum and their whole all the signals to their body and they drop and that's still true today there there is a place there and
00:31:00
philosophecker
It actually means baby brain, cerebellum. And so the the music you're talking about is actually played in like the front lobe and the occipital lobe and the different part, the other parts of your brain and the language central parts of your brain. But the cerebellum is what controls all your movements, what controls the nerves that create those movements and transmit those signals. So there was nothing really wrong with your leg or your arm or such. It was the controller. It was the conductor that was down.
00:31:34
philosophecker
First of all, before I turn near that, the karate chop to the back of the head. Unless you're too sleepy, things are quite so simple in karate. no no of course It's an excellent form of combat, but ah once again, it's not like Bruce Lee would have the one. No, and I doubt there in karate there even is such a thing as a karate chop. I'm talking about the one like Sean Connery done as James Bond. You know them once. But but but then what the idea behind them was they were hitting the ceremony. You know what I mean?
00:32:24
philosophecker
But yeah, no, of course, of course they're not real. So yeah, so you walk up in the bed. The conductor was down. Was there any other part of your brain affected? I mean, you seem like a very lucid, intelligent man. Fantastic memory. you You're funny. you they Like your speech is a little bit off. And to see you walking, you can see that there's an intense amount of concentration that has to go into every step.
00:32:56
philosophecker
But you seem very intelligent. You seem very with it. So is the conductor the only one down? The orchestra is still all playing the tunes?
Hospital Challenges and Support
00:33:06
philosophecker
The orchestra, especially the guys who perform the musical instruments that give it color the high range like vibration there they were not affected though for the first six months but the with this trauma and the amount of drugs I was given our woves I was yeah once he in la la land of six months
00:33:44
philosophecker
But my group on reality was very from, very reality. Yeah, well I imagine there must have been like, there's a hyperdrug still giving you. But it's a huge shift in in everything you had been going towards and now you're suddenly here. There must have been a huge kind of emotional readjustment, it doesn't even come close to saying the truth, but there must have been a huge shift.
00:34:19
philosophecker
It was a big challenge, but I was extremely lucky. No depression, no pride me, no know anything like that. um ta I remember vividly telling a visitor that in six weeks I'm out of here. But it didn't turn on me that it had already been well my past six weeks that I'd already been in hospital. But you had you had no.
00:35:04
philosophecker
You had to know why me, like I put myself in that in that and that shoes. I'm straight out crying for a week after I come conscious again. and I'll probably come out the other end somewhere, but that that that in sense of know why me, know, oh, Jesus, how can this happen to me? I'm so unlucky. No sense of that. Was that, did did you ever have a sense of that ever for anything or was, Was that a strength you learned along the way, you know? No, not so much a along the way, but the legion had a huge, huge influence and a bad way of thinking.
00:35:51
philosophecker
stop flag being a legion man they would take everything from you and it seemed like they were asking you to do to reconstruct everything that has just been taken away and you'd be thinking this is possible but there will be senior guys in the team and well I sent the team in the unit you know all day they start working you rank you will just follow the overalls follow their example and next thing what you thought was impossible was done
00:37:17
philosophecker
who,
00:37:22
philosophecker
I think about four or five months after The whole scenario started. I'd been transferred to the head injury unit for or the adventures yeah the head of Scotland. I'd been transferred there. It was an edible incredibly scenic beautiful grounds and it was that handy for Harry who was just five minutes cycle for him and I remember there was a hill in the grounds and Harry brought me up for a walk
00:38:20
philosophecker
and he was doing the walking and we got to the top of the hill and he just hopped up in the back of the wheelchair on the handles yeah straightens our head down and we went queering down the hill. What's it been doing? I don't know, maybe 30 mil doing up with crazy speed and the hill
00:38:53
philosophecker
gradually windled and we came to a standstill and that adrenaline buzz was, that was, that was heaven to me after once of being confined to practically no outside stimulation and then
00:39:19
philosophecker
you want he pushed me in the shoe onto the the ward and i I managed to climb out of sat on the time craft i could feel my butt getting all wet and i'm thinking to myself i don't hear i will unravel thank you so much and my
00:39:57
philosophecker
i eyes stilllezed over dear I I haven't been able to cry in several years before on. Well, say, four or five years. Because 1980, when I made farewell to my dying mother under that bed, That was the last time I cried. And the closest I came to that since then was with Harry when I was bursting my ass laughing with joy. And Harry was look here ah looking at me with those arms both saying,
00:40:46
philosophecker
yeah you better watch that laughing look become my my star thing in your red lula i love your continued laughing and and for call it paperwork reasons of paperwork reasons of paperwork things I thought the brain injury unit did work out and they wanted to get rid of me when Harry was told by my consultant they wanted to get rid of me
00:41:32
philosophecker
I wanna fight the wanted with me no nothing on and when Harry asked why the council told them because your father is never going to get better and when my Harry told me that that's when I found out why I was in religion because when Harry told me that I just smiled just to myself, I'm sad to myself. I'm a thing listener who don't do that shit.
00:42:18
philosophecker
So the to to Galway. other than returning home on holiday visitors, holiday visitors to see my family.
00:42:49
philosophecker
So the choice was either Ireland or back to to the hospital in Glasgow. So I went back to she went back to the hospital in Glasgow and a couple of days later
00:43:13
philosophecker
I've ah been trying this thing for quite a few weeks where I feel myself myself over to the base of the bed. Crap holes of the frame on the bed. on asked myself after the wheelchair into standing, let to go and try to stand unaided ah naked and ah yeah I almost immediately lost balance of course with their handre ah yeah i put the immediately grab hold and stabilize myself but for a split second
00:44:11
philosophecker
while our spirit of our split seconds.
00:44:17
philosophecker
Tiny. I managed to sense and hate it. So I knew then that they were, I knew for sure they were talking for lonely back in Edinburgh. and I yeah immediately feel myself asking to do curdles or the words curdle and Harry was my rock.
Long-Term Recovery and Independence
00:44:56
philosophecker
Today was through Harry that I communicated with the outside world
00:45:03
philosophecker
very few people could understand my Chinese dialect of of whatever language I was speaking but hardly could even understand me over the phone and I told him what had just happened had he properly thought to himself ah yeah yeah yeah and he said well well done stop with the big smile on me and off I went
00:45:41
philosophecker
But it was hardly like I said it was my rock, my mind linked to the absurd world. What year did that happen? That was 1993. From 1993, it's now 2024. That's soon. It's a long time ago and now Now you can be seen walking around town. Obviously not walking as easily as everybody else and still concentrating and fighting every day for all those steps. I have seen you as far out as Clare Galway on your tricycle.
00:46:27
philosophecker
like
00:46:28
philosophecker
And you're the one who was never going to get better. And you're the one who was going to go into a nursing home. And you're the one who they were telling pretty much it's all over for you. How did you get from there to here? I know you've Harry and you've a lot of help, but you live alone. You live independently now. And that's very important to you. how did How did you do it? I mean, most of us struggle with life, with with our conductor working okay, with our cerebellum pretty working okay.
00:47:02
philosophecker
there And not only that, every time I see it, it's like there's a smile hiding behind everything you say. like there's a There's a sense of humor, there's a sense of fun, a sense of enjoyment about life that I often don't get off everyday people when I'm talking to them. They do more moaning than anything else.
00:47:21
philosophecker
So this is what I'm curious about, genuinely, is I've given you lots of praise and different things like that, and you never take it. I feel like you feel you just are what you are, rather than rather than it's something to be proud of. You just seem, my just I just am. You just seem to get on with it every day and
Philosophical Reflections on Life and Equality
00:47:45
philosophecker
like I can only imagine Complete awareness. Awareness. Awareness of the fact that it all started according to how cool solid science
00:48:07
philosophecker
which I ah don't understand i even though I'm seeing it I can't honestly visualize how it's possible but they reckon everything started in this thing called the Big Bang which haven't so many usable that's also young comprehension something like 13 billion well whatever the billion is yeah that once again to me is beyond comprehension but but the the little library to put some some people say it was like the splitting of the atom in the nuclear explosion
00:49:00
philosophecker
other people see it was like grapefruit exploded, grape precise exploded. To me, I think of it as a hand grenade exploding.
00:49:18
philosophecker
But in that hang grenade everything originates from that. So those five stars you see and even further ones we get pictures absorb from na so hotel of based on the Earth's atmosphere, Hubble and all that. And then
00:49:47
philosophecker
That thing in the wall over there, you and yourself, we're all from the same spot. So from where I ah get there this the simple freeze. No one is better hard than me. No one. But I'm better than no one else. That's a beautiful way to think of it. A more egalitarian way of expressing that. there no No one is.
00:50:29
philosophecker
better than me, but I'm i equal to everyone else. So if you see some some some drug attacks pecking on a on a street bridge somewhere opened up on or some guy driving along the in the passenger seat
00:51:02
philosophecker
everybody is from the exact same place every everybody is equal and that brings to my mind ah that phrase we get from religion especially the
00:51:23
philosophecker
the Christian religion, even more so a Catholicism. There's things they call original sin.
00:51:36
philosophecker
I could be talking completely lonely and I'm sure there's plenty other who would burn me at the stake for singing it but I i think the original sin mentioned in the ba in the Bible has been misinterpreted through the translation in various languages and the the whole question of sin and the opposite of sin comes down to a line a dividing line together a guy you like Hitler okay I know he had mentally mental issues he was a complete rookie
00:52:34
philosophecker
ah if he had this way he would have continued to go conquering on conquering and killing and killing until there was no one left other than himself and one other human being but are a guy like Hitler and a guy like me The only difference to me is that he was more on one side of the line than I am. We can all be um but can be on both sides of the line, but at some times one side is more or obvious than others.
00:53:31
philosophecker
the famous line, line between good and evil runs through and even the ideas of good and evil are just, them and themselves are funny concepts that don't necessarily explain
00:53:48
philosophecker
I think that that you seem to be describing a kind of deterministic view of the world and it's a view that kind of, in a way, negates free will and a lot of people think that free will is important and that if you don't have the idea of free will, then how are we going to blame people for things? How are we going to hold people accountable? And I understand that.
00:54:31
philosophecker
There's very little to be proud of and there's very little to be ashamed of. you know and and And if we kind of drop them a bit and people just as you were saying regard we don't see the guy in the rich car we shouldn't look at him in the big car and the the pretty girl beside him and all the nice clothes we shouldn't think of him and think god he should be proud he's better than the drug addict who's on the street and looks haggard and is asking i mean one of them is a lot more pride than the other one but
00:55:03
philosophecker
I think it shows that pride is the original sin for me. For me, pick and and it's pushed on people. Okay, we've we've gone a bit deeper, here which which was expected. It is philosophically and you're early in culinary, so it was going to go deep.
Sense of Freedom and Physical Limitations
00:55:24
philosophecker
You said something to me, though.
00:55:27
philosophecker
before that that really made me think and it really wasn't something I expected you to say about that time and you said there was a strange sense of freedom and I thought about that for a long and time would you go into that would you explain what that sense of freedom was that of the ego.
00:55:51
philosophecker
um When I first came to, after lots of thoughts, trying to figure see when I was in the Commonwealth,
00:56:07
philosophecker
supposed to later lasted three weeks but looking at the mental losses was just one week of pure coma and threats was probably just from all the drugs yeah that had me first out of it the trauma as well but but you need that time I had horrendous rims and
00:56:37
philosophecker
I knew I bought some hospital. I was fully aware of it. And in my dreams, all these people in Waikos were trying to kill me.
00:56:51
philosophecker
With all the medical infections, it was countless blood draws and lumbar punctures and guys drilling holes in my head and so on and so on.
00:57:10
philosophecker
I was fondly worried about details, but most of the vlog and failure and crazy stuff like... I can't even pronounce it, but it just makes me think of the a comedy d-drama... I'll find that as a clue.
00:57:40
philosophecker
his and his dirty bear staying eyes yeah i remember learn ground No matter how many times you've seen a particular episode it's still fragging hilarious So I was in a very weird that I was under two challenges and when I woke with time I scanned my body and figured out that everything was still there and with the knowledge hardly just portrayed me of having a man who is like this
00:58:25
philosophecker
I didn't know what mankind is was. I heard of it. And the only thing I knew about that was that something you do not want to get. So I knew I was in a terrible state. I lost a lot of weight as well. And I pictured myself as a bag of skinny bones.
00:59:00
philosophecker
And when he eventually licked me out of bed into a wheelchair, I could only hack sitting in the wheelchair for, I think it was maybe one or two minutes, first time. And that's when loved one it went to look at what turned out to be ah a sink and mirror beside the bed, up until then I wasn't aware And when I went to look in the mirror, I paused before and closed my eyes and caught to a myself, star praise praise yourself. I looked in the mirror and I could see
00:59:52
philosophecker
the face of my father my father when he was a young man he was incredibly beautiful very very thin though and I had a look and I was pleasantly relieved to see that but the eyes my eyes They weren't human, they were just black like a devil. No, no, no sign, no spark of life in them at all. And I was thinking, man, that's something to work on.
01:00:38
philosophecker
But going back to the death of the ego,
01:00:44
philosophecker
I knew that nothing much was working but to regard her body it looked like a shrinking old man I was 20 seconds at that time thinking so this is what they feel like to be 76 and when
01:01:10
philosophecker
I managed to sit in the wheelchair for a while, probably a week or two, maybe three or four later. I had no idea of the timeline. But I had double vision. I had to blink to see just one image. If I open the second eye, I had double vision and the room I was in with the camera on the wall was the observation room in front of the there over there was
01:02:05
philosophecker
But the looking out the window. My eyes full, so I could only see one image of the traffic passing up and down the wall, doctors, mainly doctors, few patients, attitude, nurses, and
01:02:30
philosophecker
but when you haven't cleaned your nostrils for a long time. The amount of garbage that builds up is fascinating. And I was sitting there in my wheelchair when I closed my finger. ah cu my noseles lookingping off and war
01:03:00
philosophecker
into the cor the all these people passing by and i looked the the sense of freedom the death um you go pair of tool loose certainly go you with the But many of the characters being in the hospital, I was big strong hands of mine. I knew it in the week. I didn't want to advertise that fact. I didn't want it. But I was highly aware of keeping up the image of being really strong man.
01:03:52
philosophecker
yeah walking with the looking to be the I was in the leading. All fat, the that on my shoulders, which was, It was a burden to have that in your mind all the time. And suddenly, no longer needed any but of I was in the bed, looking like a scared girl. And I didn't care.
01:04:45
philosophecker
ah you I was like a mama's boy. I was born on my mother's party. I was there for Cheryl and her family through the connection with fairly close. And you could see in wake, getting away from go away. Okay, but then escape from the routine.
01:05:15
philosophecker
the duet and go where you pulled out with mental is green, getting with and not getting to a place where there was this nonstop adventure, change in culture, total change in your daily exposure. But that was also a little bit of Captain Rafe from being a mama's boy. You could say that. You always say the most unexpected things to me. But at the ah freedom. The freedom from the ego. So, as you said, you were a big, tall, handsome, strapping man. Ex-legionaire, so you probably walked around with that Legionnaire's merch.
01:06:12
philosophecker
just Not that bad. I bet a bit of it stayed in your strut though. If you walked around a lot like that in day to search um you you you see it's like... yeah You knew you were it, but you also had awareness of of how that could come across as a poster. So you seem to have a down at that time that you were like, you didn't need to try as in with that stuff. But you still carried a weight as in you almost carried like the labels of I'm a big, strong, strapping man. I'm an ex-legionaire and But what comes with all that is
01:07:48
philosophecker
My life, obviously, was great. My life, until then, great. aieu um ah but were truly for the go All All I wanted to the the deep sea of physical adventure stuff. The simple things like, falling in love even even loving other humans normal unconditional love that that had no place really my horizons so even though my pretty entertaining physical life suddenly ended
01:08:41
philosophecker
Then the print down and you could see it opened up a tiny little spot spot of light a bit like the spot of the big bang. The world, my awareness changed. i I actually became above, well, yeah well The both the jute is impossible to calculate the both I became quite a bit bigger Bigger in your own mind in your air are More more in my yard look So strangely something was taken away from you the religion that are no the touchy That's just the beginning the beginning of what you're to create now
01:09:35
philosophecker
and you were creating something out of that little spot that you saw. you like And so could you say that with what happened, with your physicality being stripped down like that, did you take an intellectual turn? Did you become more interested in intellectual pursuits and thank you thinking about the world rather than acting in the world perhaps?
01:10:00
philosophecker
I definitely suddenly had more of time. I love the more time and my thoughts about what this world actually is. um ah maybe And the one country right now, but maybe in the future, podcast we might investigate what that little, little chink of light that's open in my brain has become. Oh, we will definitely go into that in a further podcast. Just a little bit about you now, actually, Liam, because you're still a big, strong, strapping, handsome man. Thanks.
01:10:53
philosophecker
you You're in great shape. I'll try not to let that affect my head too much. I think you're well capable of blacking out the ego. The door to the room is narrow enough. Hopefully my head will just fit out. Your head might put your shoulders like it does. But your you you're in really good shape. I mean, you're not a young man anymore, but you're in better shape than many young men I see going around. Myself, you're in better shape than me. My young fellow trends a lot, and he's really into the gym and eating healthy, and you may even be in better shape than him. But yet, you can't do all the physical activities that other people do.
01:11:44
philosophecker
So how oh have you maintained that up until now? Other people struggle to maintain that with, you know, with fully able-bodied people, right? How do you maintain being in such good shape and looking so healthy and
01:11:58
philosophecker
Jeremy, do you remember? I can't remember what was cold, but David Carden and he was for Kung Fu expert Kung Fu, yeah I remember this kid watching him and thinking How does he do that? How does he know? And now I know
01:12:32
philosophecker
I know that the vast majority of the stuff we learn in life is complete rubbish.
01:12:44
philosophecker
A simple thing like, you know how people in general put cow milk in your coffee? Yeah. And the other people, yeah. being the winners of being vegan and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My use, my use, soy milk. yeah
Importance of Diet and Health Practices
01:13:11
philosophecker
And I'm nothing against soy milk. Absolutely nothing except their particular formula of soy milk.
01:13:26
philosophecker
So a good organic brand of soy milk. I might have a couple that now in the end because it feels really nutritious. It gives you a pack, a bit like, you know, after a good double extra. So you got a pair. I get that from a good host. Coupled soy milk.
01:13:57
philosophecker
Well, that's the ah brand of animals I get in a healthy shop. That brand isn't available in the supermarket for most people by their groceries. Yeah, I get it. The brands in the supermarket, sure, they're a little bit cheaper. I don't know because I'm practicing maybe 10-20% cheaper but the difference in quality is not possible to quantify.
01:14:41
philosophecker
i know I know from personal experience if I have cup of soymilk from the supermarket brand I will feel terrible and not just feeling physically I won't be able to to mobilize well I actually
01:15:12
philosophecker
And the ah last time I experienced this, I went to a foreigner living in Galway, stopped me in the streets, and he wanted to put me into a taxi and go home later and he was going to pay for the taxi fare and I was like no thank you I'll be fine actually I got home okay so so two two
01:15:47
philosophecker
I know that if I spend financially 10% more to have a good quality, produce quality of produce, I'll get a much better in life. And that knowledge applies to almost every aspect of life. So yeah it it seems to be a quantity quality over quantity thing here when it comes to food, like stuff that we put into our body, stuff that we ingest. should ah You should always think about where it's coming from, what are the added ingredients, just because it says soy milk on the package. Look at the back, see what else it says, check out the brand. So you look for the purest, most whole, most closest to the source,
01:16:43
philosophecker
If you want buy a toy brand in this farm market and read the list of ingredients
01:16:57
philosophecker
Maybe, maybe not the fire brand itself, maybe some other projects. They'll by and large be full of stuff you can't understand, you never had, but a simple one is sugar. When they started to do crack down on that, the manufacturer's smart lads
01:17:27
philosophecker
Excuse me. The food industry is an industry. Being full of smart people, they make money, they provide the employment, all good. well But they do stuff like, they can use over 60 different names.
01:17:51
philosophecker
as ingredients in the produce and all those names are sugar. So to my list, you might just read a list of ingredients and in those readings there might be
01:18:12
philosophecker
two, three, four, maybe more, from such are names for sugar, very venous of sugar. And just think of the little guys that live in your valley. Yeah, when they're being hit by all of those, all the stuff they never encountered before. yeah Imagine going to the tub for a pint of Guinness.
01:18:48
philosophecker
You're licking your lips, thinking, ooh, there's something unusual about the taste of the Guinness or the beer, whatever that may be. and then you find out on further investigation that the manufacturer has been putting in droplets of to make the beer or beginners taste better
01:19:22
philosophecker
yeah Whereas to most people, I might do, but to you, you might detect that it tastes a bit different, a bit strange. Yeah, And like like, you have an intense awareness about
01:19:40
philosophecker
And as I said, you' you're you're a great shape, you look really healthy.
01:19:44
philosophecker
Is it a case of like you have to be top level of health for proper brain function, for proper to to to get through your day? Like what other people can do at 50%? No. No. No, trying to be the top level is highly stressful. Okay. Look at that Lee. Yeah. the guys who do 100 meters, I think even the sloths of them, it don't really live in seconds. It takes takes a huge amount of preparation of how to get to there, to get to that stage. They can only perform like that.
01:20:37
philosophecker
lamon to again i get to yeah not all the time ah get okay okay uh okay well then that was probably an exaggeration saying top level by me but if you think about it like you told me the story about the bad soy milk you had and it made you feel tired and you happened that's a that's a a keen awareness of your own body and the impact whereas i i could imagine me having that soy milk and because i'm
01:21:05
philosophecker
I drink shit and eat shit a lot of the time. probably I could still like could still get through the day, you know what I mean? like da da I I don't even like the word diet. For starters, it's called the word diet. And okay, you could say... diet is like ink but there's also diet that means death so doing something that involves the context the concept of death yeah probably doesn't play well in your mind just just think of it as nourishment nourishment it's a much better word
01:21:52
philosophecker
and then all those listeners out there who are thinking about losing weight losing weight I don't think that plays well on the mind as well when for example you lose the keys for your car you lose them to hunt their own, to find them. It comes back eventually. If you lose weight, you're gonna find this.
01:22:33
philosophecker
Fact. Okay, so. You see a lot of advertisements about, try this, try this, try that. People lose X amount of zone in a week, a month, a year, whatever. but what you want to see is the you know the before after photos what you really want to see is the after after one the second ten years down the line there's no no point
01:23:12
philosophecker
device you do no point engaging in something especially something you don't enjoy if if you can't possibly see yourself doing it 10 years down the line or 50 years down the line that's a good point do we i think nourishment
01:23:36
philosophecker
keep it simple, keep it real you only had a choice of 3 things to eat for the rest of your life not just to move on until next week or up until the end of the year up until Christmas
01:23:59
philosophecker
What would you eat on Christmas day? Ten years from now, every single day, if you only had the choice of three foods.
01:24:14
philosophecker
And just out of generosity, we'll add salt just to give it a taste. but not not that super mackerel that doesn't solve real solve sea salt or Himalayan salt which is full of minerals which are packaged as mineral supplements which are pretty expensive but sea salt
01:24:48
philosophecker
Yes, it is more expensive than your standard table salt, which isn't actually salt, but sea salt is much more beneficial, much more friendly to the weak-eyed living in your digest, wrecked, and three ingredients. Me personally, I go for spuds.
01:25:17
philosophecker
Spuds all the world and some form of high quality meat.
01:25:29
philosophecker
Steak, oh yeah, even better than that. It's readily available. Elk or moose, something wild. I've never eaten elk on birds, but I'd love to taste them. ah Yeah, I love to taste it as well. There's something about and I won't digress here too much actually, but I really like what you're saying about diet there So you're basically saying just keep it simple. Keep it real
01:26:03
philosophecker
never mind the big words on the back of packets because they're not the packets you should be looking at anyways you should be looking at the whole foods basically and the real salts not the cheat table salts
01:26:15
philosophecker
OK, there's a lot of good advice of about health, I think, and I won't use the word diet. I'm going to say nourishment.
01:26:25
philosophecker
is with Do you have anything to say? to there' ah does ah There seems to be a big uptick in people looking to live a healthy life now and youngsters going to the gyms and taking all the supplements. Do you have any advice for them,
01:26:41
philosophecker
We could be here all day talking. In many ways I'm physically stronger than when hour sixteen I I'm carrying less injuries and I'm definitely more agile.
01:27:03
philosophecker
I haven't been to the gym for a few years now. I really miss it and I'm really becoming aware of shrinking muscle, shrinking the phantemic term for that sarcopenia all humans yeah and for that phase of life not not you when it begins
01:27:34
philosophecker
probably as early as 30, your body actually loses muscle mass as time passes.
01:27:46
philosophecker
I will get back to gym and rebuild the stomach muscle. But there is a thing I call gym class college gym before the gym. So, jim the big, the biggest, sweetest with me, ah yeah I only find, find that out. After I got sick, my ye pelvis is the, the weakest part of me. And my, my pelvis is super strong compared to when I was doing young laws. When I was doing young laws, I remember
01:28:32
philosophecker
of rupee training to end when we be talking of everybody made the movement of a nation when they were getting dressed and there was one guy
01:28:52
philosophecker
I'm sorry, I'm getting that the wrong way around everybody made movement of CUNY, but there was one guy who be gone each time. Okay. That's all.
01:29:09
philosophecker
That was the first one when the one you would be tying up your laces on your boots. Everybody would bend their heads onto to the knee, tie their laces. There was one guy who would do the opposite. And when I saw that, that rainbow was part of his normal way of moving. So he would be standing up straight and he'd just bring up his leg to him. of just sitting down, but but he brings his knee up to his chin, ties, laces. When I saw that, that looks painful. But then, when the dead body became immobile,
01:30:00
philosophecker
when it was I was playing a game of things in ladders. And lotto um there I got to that high point in the game. Just before reaching 200, I stepped in a ladder and that brought me back to zero. So my my thought of seeing it as challenge was to rebuilt from point zero. And I was going to incorporate that nation movement, which just started in 95.
01:30:44
philosophecker
um And upon the servity thing, for me, it was extremely easy to injure myself. And if I injure myself, I would take months for the wine to recover. So I can start training that movement again.
01:31:11
philosophecker
and we both times it got easier and easier easier and easier and about five years ago I started hyperbaric oxygen therapy and for some reason it and made the movement much easier the groin muscles well felt very little strain and now I do a double knee chin movement whenever I'm doing stuff with my feet so when I'm getting dressed in the mornings I sit on the skull that bench
01:32:01
philosophecker
and lean against the guest wall for wellness and I do the nitrogen movement and I get dressed when I'm drying my feet, when I'm putting on my socks, when I'm putting on my shoes, when I'm tying my legs.
01:32:20
philosophecker
And that's one of the gym before gym movements I do. movements. I like that. It's gym before the gym. It's preparing your body to do harder things, I guess. What you're saying is these can be done in the everyday movements. The thing is that movement you don't actually do that at the gym.
01:32:51
philosophecker
And so that is building the kind of
01:32:57
philosophecker
supporting little muscles and tendons and ligaments that you're not going to use on say the leg press machine yeah but yes the movements that you do in the gym before the gym will stop you getting injured and the leg press machine will make you give you different more flexibility another exercise i've only recently started to doing this as part of my routine you can do it in bed
01:33:27
philosophecker
you're lying on your back. And the only part of you in touch with the bed is your heels and your shoulders. So you're flexing upward from the pelvis. And at the start, I could only We heard that for a split second and armstringng tend the to like it at all. For years, even still, I'm prone to heavy camping at night of the hamstrings.
01:34:12
philosophecker
um they recommend taking magnesium for that the supplement magnesium which definitely does help but with me in particular it just runs right through to me which isn't exactly recommendable but if you take FF16
01:34:44
philosophecker
immediately before and after the ingestion of magnesium it doesn't run straight through you. FF16 is a phyto biophysics formula. The FF is short for phyto biophysics. It's about 20 quid you get it in the health shop. um When you buy it, it'll probably you two or three months. But that kind of helps your body absorb the other nutrients and that you there. It So it doesn't just drop your digestive system.
01:35:37
philosophecker
So the little guys in your stomach that you were talking about, it it chills them out for what's coming next, magnesium. They're very important.
Exploration of Probiotics and Environmental Toxins
01:35:48
philosophecker
um A recent podcast views the subject of oxytocin came up Yeah, that would be Dan talking about his moral violence. Yeah, and there was a wee guy in the digestive tract called Lactobacillus rotary, which is an Western population, the Western world, sustained Europe. It's good partially instinctive, everyone.
01:36:27
philosophecker
but when one that guy lives in your deck, he has to fracked a science second almost to the domain 24-7 oxytocin please, there are a lot of hormone and suddenly when you've got that, you exude what's the worst
01:36:54
philosophecker
Empathy, you exude empathy after the world and you get empathy back. i think i hang on a minute I think we've just fixed the Western world. So you say lactobacteris is, and I know you're right, lactobacteris is in your stomach, it's a bacterium and it sends signals to your brain. drive to drive Give us some oxytocin there, which as Dan was saying in his podcast when he was on, is the love hormone. It's what mothers get it when they feed their children. It's it's an empathy drive towards other people. And you say it's nearly extinct in the Western world. well And this Not not much bad, but children like
01:37:47
philosophecker
our lifestyle is this and just the the implementation the nourishment of the air we breathe water we drink the magnetic fields the ah electrical stuff flying through the air
01:38:08
philosophecker
even simple things what everybody thinks is super cool you know the bluetooth everybody thinks that's magic
01:38:23
philosophecker
when I'm exposed to Bluetooth, it's massive problems for me. And, okay, you could say that I'm perfectly prepared to say Yeah, that's most probably 100% true, but I'm a human being like you, lie like that lad over there walking down the street with the Bluetooth speakers talking his ears.
01:39:10
philosophecker
Bluetooth might be okay. for the lower of 2 but without a close proximity right next to the brain stuck in New Years that very much, that is beneficial. All that kind of stuff just adds up, adds, adds, adds. So far you've got toxic in the environment and we could be here all day talking about the
01:39:46
philosophecker
So much so that we give you me and everybody listing a headache. That's true. That's true. I just I said something to some friends my that they found that they found microplastics now in penises, apparently. A good friend of mine is his first question. Well, who was looking? But but just that they've just found it now. So that means it's probably been happening for a long, long time, probably since we started using plastics. Coming in to eject. Yeah. Yeah. Come to God, you brought up the word penis. Okay. Beak. Beak.
01:40:39
philosophecker
okay now You've picked my interest here as to why you why you're glad I brought it up, but okay, we've got it. Because earlier I mentioned a simple way of thinking about how the north shifts off in terms of food. And you know that I realized what two two youngto that or fairly essential or could be essential but the simplest way of thinking when when I'm being produced in a supermarket or whatever it's my hands sometimes I'm looking at this product and I slit the button in my backside reading the list of ingredients at the back I just looked at it and think to myself
01:41:38
philosophecker
I wonder if that's good for my cock.
01:41:44
philosophecker
which Which I would highly recommend to every single user of medication that controls cholesterol. Because if there's not enough cholesterol in your body, your cock will fall off.
01:42:10
philosophecker
okay jesus You could see that a play of words or a slight declaration, but it's a scientific fact that every single cell in the human body requires another good supply of cholesterol.
01:42:33
philosophecker
and it's also scientifically shown a proven cholesterol has zero effect on the heart.
01:42:47
philosophecker
well and and let's just ah just to not leave people without penises out of this conversation. I just like to say, I recognize it myself. I mean, I've a lot of women and women in my life. and And I feel like women's bodies are more complicated than men's. They have a lot more going on. I genuinely feel like they're a lot more in touch with kind of nature and the moon and, you know, a lot about them, a lot more going on, I think,
01:43:19
philosophecker
Have you ever read up on some stuff that happened to the female body during pregnancy? yeah it it's it's insane um but but you but you you picked out a very important point there when I mentioned the word of maybe as far as a lot of us men get to thinking about what's important and so they basically an axiom when you're thinking about food rather than trying to work your way through all the big words and learn all the science is for men to look at it and say
01:43:56
philosophecker
Do I think this will be good for my cock? That could be an excellent way to think about it. Simplified. Because you can very quickly come up with yes and no answer to that. Catch it really easily. Yeah. Simple stuff that most men are intending to do. To convert massage, to do gym, to do swimming. Let's do this. Go down and down. But the thing massage was for me, yeah yeah the best massage I ever had was the first time I had a massage. I was in my early 20s. It was an old woman. I'm not sure if it was bankrupt, but it was definitely silent.
01:44:52
philosophecker
her
01:44:54
philosophecker
It was a fantastic experience and you but she was actually standing on me and she had my legs, she was twisting it all over. And she kept saying, you long, you long, you long. And I was trying not to pass my backside laughing too badly because that afraid you longed me interpreted in many different ways but a massage or soft massage especially that's one word
01:45:38
philosophecker
depending on how statistic you want it to be but you can get guys to ram my elbows into your body and if you can take that it walks backwards and your body functions so much better And I have no scientific evidence to support the claim that a good massage that loosens up the body probably has beneficial effects. Not just to talk about your sexual performance,
01:46:26
philosophecker
fool sort Yeah, and ah yeah and and ah ah it probably has an effect on things like oxytocin and stuff too. I think like even just the human contact part, yeah there's something to it. Like how often are we in that close of contact with people? You know, I'm getting pushed and elbows and stuff. We could probably get a robot to do that, but I don't think it'd be the same thing. Yeah, but yeah, I don't think you want to be talking to, I see a military best for for the sports massage. A guy called Adrian Craddock is really good. Yeah. um
01:47:09
philosophecker
I don't think we'd have enjoyed that conversation while talking about the oxytocin facts of his elbow rubbing my back. No, no, absolutely All right, Liam, were I could keep this conversation and going for another three hours because So I'm I'm going to ask you one last question. It's a question that I've come up with that I'm hoping to ask all of my Is there an epiphany you've had in your life that you think has
Emotional Epiphany
01:47:47
philosophecker
an epiphany that you had that you could never go back to before?
01:47:52
philosophecker
Before I answer that, I'll just say we've been chatting and chatting and chatting and I never mention anyone who's helped me along the way of thousands, if not tens of thousands and of people. who helped me and I could brag to love easily dozens of names but I simply forgot to mention dozens of others for just saying thank you to everyone but even though I don't actually know thank you and as to Epiphany
01:48:37
philosophecker
When I said goodbye to my mother, she died of cancer in 88, I was regiment, in parallel regiment, the corps had got their time. And they allowed me to go home. She was in the hospital at the morning, not my home. She was in the And when I made her the final farewell,
01:49:17
philosophecker
i I never evolved my job like that before and found it extremely painful. All the muscular, muscular sure of the wish was really painfully under strain.
01:49:39
philosophecker
And I've never come close to being that emotional expression, the only emotional sustain. So in a way you could say that ah reverse is fifth name. Yeah, i i I closed up my, it feels my heart has closed up. yeah um and time it will open up again but I think that won't happen until I blow my eyes out and yeah I think that will probably happen when I get from two I forget the exact term but have you heard why you was school?
01:50:38
philosophecker
Well I heard somebody talking about how that's the... ah female bob the they don't have another ceremony which is male counterpart and he's right that had great benefit so I think probably please try the male bone at some stage okay and then to susan
01:51:11
philosophecker
your so complete the theroul and stop door pride the fa the iuosco Okay, that's it. God damn it, why didn't I ask that question at the start of the podcast? But okay, there's a lot there that we're gonna dig back into next time now. Yeah, so next time is gonna be about Liam's time and active service in the Legion. And we're gonna come back to the things Liam has just said next time too, because they're super interesting and there's a lot to go into there. So listeners, thanks again for your attention. say goodbye, Liam?
01:51:53
philosophecker
Thank you everyone for your time. Ciao! so