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Cate Chassé on UFO Encounters, Light Beings & the Message That Death Does Not Exist
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In this episode of the Journey Mindfulness Podcast James has an exciting conversation with Experiencer Cate Chassé.
Cate Chassé's life has been deeply intertwined with the UAP/UFO phenomenon and other mystical, & paranormal experiences . From an early age, she has experienced the profound, encountering a non-corporeal being at just six years old, an event that forever shifted her perception of reality, especially concerning the concept of LIFE & DEATH.
Over the years, Cate has witnessed a variety of UFO/ Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), including eight distinct types of craft, & a light being. These encounters have further solidified her belief in the existence of realities beyond our current understanding. She is also discerning, credible, and relatable, which is why her message resonates with so many.
In this episode, we delve into Cate's fascinating experiences, explore the nature of consciousness, and discuss the implications of these encounters for our understanding of the universe. Join us as we journey into the unknown with the wonderful Cate Chassé.
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Introduction and Meeting Kate
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to the Journey Mindfulness Podcast, where we explore the depths of human experience and the mysteries beyond. Today, we have the privilege of speaking with Kate Chasse, a retired librarian with an extraordinary background. Kate's life has been deeply intertwined with the phenomenon and other metaphysical experiences.
Early Encounter with Non-Corporeal Being
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ah From an early age, she has experienced the profound encountering a non-goporial being at just six years old,
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an event that forever shifted her perception of reality, especially with the concept of life and death. Over the years, Kate has witnessed a number of UFO UAP p phenomena, including eight distinct types of craft. These encounters have further solidified her belief or questions in the existence of ah realities beyond our current understanding.
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In this episode, we will delve into Kate's fascinating experiences, explore the nature of consciousness, and discuss the implications of these encounters for our understanding of the universe. Please join us as we journey into the unknown with Kate Chasse. Welcome, Kate. Thank you so much for being with us here today. Well, thank you for having me. This is very exciting.
A Voice Beyond: 'Death Does Not Exist'
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Well, let's begin maybe with that first experience when you were six. That seems when it first started, right? That's right. Yeah. So um i was um it was in the summer ah before I think I started kindergarten, if I remember correctly. and so i Was I six? Or maybe it was starting grade one. um So I was i was six years old going on seven, I think it was. Anyways, um that summer I saw my dog get hit by a a bus um and you know he died instantly. And so as a six year old experiencing this, a just I found this very, I mean, it's shocking of course. and it's Yeah.
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He was my buddy, you know and and but it also started started getting me really thinking about death, dying. and you know Once he was dead, he like that was it. He was gone. you know and that and so That just really baffled me and I found it very disturbing.
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And so I was waiting for my bus one day, um just early, I think within the first week of school.
Childhood Reflections on Death and Guidance
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And it seemed like the bus came to the front door and right in front of our house, I guess, good location or something. So I'm standing in the the foyer ah of the house. So there's ah you know a door the outside door and then the inside door to the rest of the house and the foyer is about five feet square and nine feet high and I'm standing there watching for the bus and thinking about I guess I started thinking about dying and and I just really couldn't wrap my head around it this idea of
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just that I would just cease to exist one day. ah just It just didn't it just just felt wrong. It just really felt wrong. And all of a sudden, after thinking about this for probably about 10 minutes,
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um I felt ah sort of like a presence enter the room or enter the space. And so the I could feel the sort of presence entering the space, but the more it seemed to enter the space, the sort of the more pressure I felt up against my body, and it it's a strange thing because there was a physical aspect to it. ah It was as if like the the space wasn't big enough for this being of some sort. I couldn't see anything, but I could definitely feel its presence, and I could feel this pressure. like It just didn't quite fit, and so we were both trying to stand in this space.
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Um, and, uh, so I'm standing there like feeling this pressure against me. And all of a sudden the voice, a voice says out loud in a male baritone voice, and it comes from outside of me. And it all it says is death does not exist. And then as soon as it delivered its message, it receded from, from the space and the pressure released. And, uh, that was it. I carried on with my day. Um, yeah you know,
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No problem. Did it feel like loving or what was the, was there an emotion?
Religious Upbringing and Family Influence
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It was neutral. Very neutral. Yeah. I didn't feel, it was just sort of very authoritative. Death does not exist. Don't even think about it kind of thing. You know, it's very clear. Very clear. Yeah. Wow. And you just went on your day.
00:05:21
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It went on with my day. I never told my parents. I yeah just somehow knew. I don't know. I just knew not to tell them. ah and I don't think they would have believed me. They you know would have thought I was childish things sort of thing. and But it stuck with me all my life. and I really felt like someone was watching over me and guiding me through my childhood and really it stuck with me. And I always thought, no, there's that person there, whoever it was. I thought I as a six year old thought it was God. Um, I didn't, didn't know even about angels at that time. So to me, that was God and God was watching over me. ah And, uh, yeah. yeah
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Did you grow up with the religion at all? or Not really. ah So I'm from Quebec, and so every French Canadian Quebecer is, you know, is born, is sort of baptized into the Catholic religion. ah But my parents left the church when I was about a year or two, two years old. And my grandmother still went on almost daily whenever there was a mass, she would go and every now and again, she would take me. and
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Because in Quebec, a lot of the public schools are Catholic, um so I got some little bit of religion, not a lot, but a little bit in there when I was growing up. So I had an awareness of God and Jesus and and so on. and But i um my parents were agnostic and um raised us that way. They didn't discourage, but they didn't encourage. It was left it up to us to to yeah figure it out, I guess.
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Well, I'm sure that experience, you know, made you pay attention a little bit more. Um, what kind of moving along and no, you didn't have any experiences for a while after that. Is that correct? Or.
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Yeah, there was a few there were some dreams, you know flying dreams, and I had a dream one night, maybe when I was 12 or 13, there were demons flying around my house, um going past my window around and around and around, and trying to get at me, but they couldn't get at me for some reason. They couldn't get into my room, but in my dream, they were after me.
00:08:04
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So whether there there were things like that. um um Other than that, until I was in my 20s, the dreams were were pretty sort of standard dreams for kids. um I had a lot of flying dreams and so on, but nothing that's not too outside of the the ordinary. so Flying in like on Earth or somewhere else? Flying on Earth. So if something would be chasing me, I knew I could just bounce and I would bounce and then bounce and then fly. you know So I knew I could get away if something was chasing me. and
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i yeah off dreamed ah When I dreamed, I often dreamed it was nighttime, so it was always dark out. There was always stars in the sky, and there was always sort of somewhere in my neighborhood, near my neighborhood. um So I almost felt like maybe sometimes, who knows, ah doing a bit of out of body travel or astral traveling while dreaming, because they were kind of consistent that way.
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but Yeah,
Flying Dreams and Escape Scenarios
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I know. I was curious about that. I wrote that out. Like, it were these out of body experiences, do you think? it They might have been. I didn't know at the time. I just would wake up thinking, oh, you know, I had this ability to fly. And it's funny, as I got older, I found it harder and harder to fly. You know, I'd go to jump and I like, oh, I wouldn't be flying quite as high. And now I hardly ever have flying dreams, which is kind of strange.
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When did they slow down, do you think? Probably maybe by the my 30s. I remember having one dream in my late 20s where I was standing sort of over, ah like it was a 10 story building and there was an atrium in the middle. so i could I was standing on the 10th floor and I just dove off the 10th floor and was flying around in this atrium of this building. But that was the last flying dream I ever had. and That was maybe about late 20s, early 30s. It's impressive to me that you remember that. well it was It was fun.
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but You know, it was like, cause I just like, like literally let myself, oh, so I'm, I'm, there were two other dreams recently. I forgot about those, uh, that I flew, but I had wings and those ones. I'll, I'll talk about those later, but, but yeah, it was fun because I had just dove off this 10th floor and it was great big, huge building. and And the atrium was all open. And so I was just soaring around in this atrium. So that's, I remembered it because it was so beautiful.
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That's impressive. And like, you know, they say, you know, when we're younger, we, we don't have these filters, right? Or we haven't had these constraints put on us by society. And so our imaginations too.
00:11:18
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We just see possibilities and it, you know, it tends to slow down as we get older and um experience life. But those, those are very interesting. um So then how, how old were you when you had the experience with the light being? What could you tell us about that?
Encounter with a Neutral Light Being
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Yeah, so this was in 97. So how old would I have been? Um, uh, 34, I guess. Um, and I was living in Toronto and I was living in this old house and it, uh, I was on the second floor in an apartment and, um, it had a really, really long hallway.
00:12:04
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From the bedroom to the bathroom and 1 night in the middle of the night, 3 in the morning, something like that. i I woke up and had to go to the bathroom. So. I just got up in a bed didn't turn on any lights and walked down the long hallway to the bathroom. Went into the bathroom turned on the light.
00:12:23
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my business, turned off the light, and standing in front of me about a foot and a half away was this being that was about five, ten, um and it was in the shape of a human, but it was made entirely of light. So I never saw any features, it was just the actual shape of a human. What I felt like was a male.
00:12:48
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And it had that light, but the bright like the brightness of light, like a star, when you see a star, and like so bright, but not blinding, just that beautiful, warm, bright light.
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And it appeared just as I turned off the light or turned off the light. Yeah. And then as soon as I saw it, I coll collapsed to the ground. um I didn't experience any fear. I didn't sense anything from the being one way or the other. um But for some reason, my body just came out and I collapsed to the ground. I didn't lose consciousness. And so I went, fell onto the ground. And when I, you know, hands and knees sort of looked up, it was gone.
00:13:31
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Wow. Yeah. so But no fear. So it was like neutral again. yeah though I didn't feel anything from the being at all and no emotion from the being. And I didn't experience fear, but my body completely collapsed. So I didn't even have time to experience fear. I just went oh right down. It was so instantaneous.
00:13:51
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Yeah. And I don't know if that's, that's kind of beyond fear. It's like that fight light or freeze. Yeah. Kind of, I froze and just collapsed. I don't know. Um, but it's, yeah, it was pretty, uh, it was, and then, you know, I went back to bed, got up the next morning, went to work, never told anybody about it. Cause like, who do you tell, right? Who are you going to tell these stories to?
00:14:19
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Well, years later on this podcast, and anyway what did you, like, how did you go to sleep after that? I did. I went to sleep. I didn't affect my sleep. I don't know. It's the strangest thing. Once I realized I was fine, you know I never actually experienced that that surge of fear. I didn't get that. It was like, okay, well, that was pretty cool. I have no idea what that was all about. and Am I going crazy or what? you know
00:14:56
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um and so But I had seen Cocoon, or I don't know, I think the movie Cocoon had played years earlier, and it kind of looked like one of those beings a bit. So I wasn't completely like, oh well, like maybe that was some sort of, I didn't know what it was, but some sort of being of some sort, whether it's you know extraterrestrial or what. um And I just went on with my life. and
00:15:28
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Wow. So you you just, it was this question in your head of like, what was that? ah Yeah. And for years, oh I mean, of course I, you know, there was no internet back then, but I would always, you know, go to the library or bookstores, like, you know, some of those new age bookstores and try to find stuff that you could read that would kind of figure, help you figure out what's going like what's going on with me. I'm hearing voices and seeing beings I had seen at UFOs at that point. you know So what the heck is going on? So you were 34 then, but you had already had your first UFO sighting.
00:16:06
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Yeah, and that was in 92, so that would have put me at, what was I, in 92, 29, I guess, something like that. And and yeah, so that sighting um was a very clear close-up sighting. I was walking in a park in Ottawa, actually, ah with my roommate and his best friend.
00:16:31
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and we were just walking along about 11 o'clock at night. It was November and there was snow on the ground and a low ceiling and there are there are lights in the park and it's those ah in Ottawa they use the more orangy tinted lights so there's like a sort of an orange glow and ah we could see well like the you know it was because of the snow and the low ceiling visibility was good and All of a sudden in the eastern sky, I see this
UFO Sighting in Ottawa
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object. and It's huge. and you know It's about 500 feet up and about 500 feet away. and It's about the size of 2 747s, so it had real mass to it. and It was in the shape of a football.
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And um it had lights going around it all the way around in this sequence, red, yellow, green, blue, all the way around. And the lights were about um you know about a foot and a half in diameter. And the object itself, I figure, was hard to tell, but like 50, 60 feet in length and 30 feet high, something like that, you know big football shape. That's huge. It's huge and close. and It was just sitting there, it was metallic, like a a dull metallic color, great like a dark gray. and um It just was sitting there, no sound. It was on sort of a slant, like it was just kind of tilted slightly.
00:18:07
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And it just then it just disappeared, and then it reappeared in the western sky, and then and it disappeared again, reappeared in its original spot, and then disappeared. almost like teleport, like it just disappeared. It didn't move, it just went poof, wasn't there, then it was there, and then it wasn't there, and then it was there, and then it wasn't there. But there was no movement. Now, maybe it was going so fast, it's your eye couldn't see it. But from what we could tell, ah my roommate and I, the other guy missed the whole thing.
00:18:40
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He missed the whole thing because it happened pretty quickly. and I got my roommate to describe to me what he saw, so ah which was maybe unfair because this way ah I knew for a fact you know that yeah it sort of made it really solid for me that that what we had seen was real.
00:19:02
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you know It validated what you mean. Validated it, yeah. Yeah. And I got to have, in a way, I got to have the proof because he just, literally what I told to you is what he told to me. you And it's actually made, you know how a story can, can it can morph over time, right? but Sure. Because he told me that it solidified it in a way. so and you know And then I actually went home and and wrote down what he had said and what I had seen. so You know, because as time goes on, the, you know, your memory starts to fade. so Yeah. Well, I mean, thank goodness you you were with someone else who saw it, right? it's Absolutely. Makes it a different thing.
00:19:47
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Yeah, absolutely. because ah Part of me didn't even believe what I had seen. As we were walking along, I was like kind of it feel like I was almost forgetting it. ah and and Then when he said, oh, did you just see that? Did you guys just see that? and and I'm like, oh my God, you saw that? That was real. like In my brain, I was just thinking that can't be real.
00:20:14
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Oh my goodness. Yeah. I know. I, I, I had a slightly similar experience where I was with somebody else and they, oh Oh my God. Like you saw, you heard that. Yes, you did. Oh, thank God. You know, like I'm not crazy. Yeah. That's exactly it. That's exactly it.
00:20:33
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Okay. So you're you, you, you are 29 when you had that. Now were your dreams impacted? So you were still having those pretty vivid dreams here. I've always had the vivid dreams, but since that one sighting, my dreams took on a different tone. So I started, uh, some of my best spiritual dreams happened after the sightings. Okay.
00:21:04
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And I had one really cool one before, but then after that, it was, you know, after the sighting, there was a lot more.
Intensified Experiences Post-UFO
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And and my experiences, a lot happened after that sighting. And then there was also a large gap between 97 when I saw that light being. And let's say 2021, not much happened as far as sightings. And then it all started to start up again in 2021.
00:21:33
Speaker
as far as physical sightings. Interesting. Yeah. Well, where work and would you like to go next? Well, let's see. I could talk about the the dreams I had after that first sighting, which are kind of interesting. Yeah, whatever whatever is is interesting. I know you have some pretty cool stuff to share. so Okay, so um so I had a a couple of interesting dreams um just after. I'll tell you one where, ah so where I had that sighting was in a park. We lived down the street from that park.
00:22:17
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And shortly after my sighting, I had a dream where across the street, from the street that the park is on, there was a lamp stand or a light, you know, one of those lights, like a street light.
00:22:36
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And um there was this man in the dream standing under the streetlight. And in my head, it looked like Jesus. He had, you know, are our stare of the stereotypical white Jesus, you know. I'm not sure what Jesus looks like, but what stereotypically he's been portrayed as with the long blonde hair.
00:22:57
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a bit of a what a beard, like he had strawberry blonde hair, strawberry blonde beard, and then blue eyes, and slightly tan skin, very nice looking, actually. and i I walk up to him, so it's it's I'm on this under this lampstand, or he's under the lampstand, and I'm walking towards him. and When I get in front of him, he says to me, I want you to turn the pavement into sand.
00:23:24
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and I'm like, excuse me, I don't know how to do that. He's like, just do it. I'm like, okay. So I looked down at the pavement and I imagine it turning to sand and then it does. and Then he says, okay, come with me. and We walked down the street, to that too like which is about a half a mile long and the park is at the end of it. So we walk halfway down that street towards the park where I had the sighting.
00:23:53
Speaker
And on the left-hand side, there's there's a row of houses all all along the street, of course. And we walk up to one of these houses, and he goes in, and then I follow him. I go up the steps. i get into I get into the foyer again, and it's the same size, five by five by nine foyer. As I walk into this, I start, I remember who I am.
00:24:20
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And all of a sudden I'm like, oh, and I know who I am. And I walk into the house. I make a left and there's a large, large living room, dining room kind of situation, beautiful hardwood floors, a whole bit. And there's a round table in the middle of the room.
00:24:37
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and a wood table, and there's four chairs around it. And it's great big wood table with four big nice big comfy chairs. And in the in the west position is a woman with white, like hair like mine basically, but white. And with really broad cheekbones, blue eyes, and and beautiful, and she's about, just looks about 70.
00:25:07
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And opposite her on the east is a man who looks almost identical to her, but he's male with the same broad cheekbones, blue eyes, and similar hair. And no bangs, just straight straight hair down to here, but without the bangs. She has the bangs.
00:25:24
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And I sit on this, I guess it's the south, and Jesus sits, who I think is Jesus, sits on the north. The guy, this blonde haired guy, sits on the north. And the woman on the left or west of me says to me, all she says is one word, report. And then, so for half an hour, I reported to her on something.
00:25:49
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i i I had all this information. I talked and talked and talked for about half an hour. And then she said, okay, that's fine. You can go. So I get up. I walk out the door. When I pass through the vet the yeah foyer, I lose everything. Everything I said is wiped out.
00:26:08
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so all i knew is that happened i spoke i told her things you know they listened uh-huh they thanked me said i could go and then when i left everything was wiped out of my mind so i have no idea what i told her hang on when you went in you said i remembered who i am yeah what did you who were you I don't remember. so i that i okay like like I know I remembered. I'm like, oh, okay. I went in and I reported on something. When I walked through that foyer again, everything was white clean, including the memory of who I was. All I remembered was remembering I had remembered it, but didn't.
00:26:51
Speaker
I so I hear what you're saying that sounds to me like what some people report when they have a near death experience. Wow. Where they.
00:27:04
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ah
00:27:08
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I mean, some people, you know, depending on their, they might be meeting with Jesus or their spiritual team, but they are shared sort of wisdom about the reality of life. And then if they are given some, you know, the option to return or whatever, you know, you can ask whatever you want. But when you go back, you're not going to remember. Yeah.
00:27:34
Speaker
And that's, but that's what that makes me think of is yeah people's reports of what happens to them and in some of their near death experiences. That's really interesting. I've never heard that. Like during your lifetime, that you, this was just in a dream. This wasn't, you didn't, there was no physical trauma or anything that happened that induced that. Unless I died at night and didn't know. And they, I don't know, but I don't i don't know, but that's super interesting.
00:28:05
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cool. So what did you make of that though? i mean hu Again, it's like it's it it's wild. i mean it It made me realize, well, first of all, maybe I'm here for a reason. It made me feel like I was here for on a mission of some sort, that I was here working, that I wasn't just here living, and this love I am living my life and so on. but I felt like there was so was another aspect to it. It made me, of of course, curious to understand what they meant. by like what what like What I remembered. like I want to know, like well, if I'm not me, then who? kind of thing You know what I mean? Who am I? I'm still still trying to figure that one out.
00:28:57
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so The thing is very lucid. Yeah, was it was. It was, ah you know, and this is all in full technicolor and so on. It's it feels very real. Wow. So at this point, how is this inform me? I mean, I would imagine i my curiosity would just be spiked.
00:29:20
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Well, of course, this is shortly this is within um probably a month of my sighting, so I'm i'm obsessing now, right, at this point.
Academic Focus and Reduced Experiences
00:29:29
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I mean i went on from 90 to 90, let's say 98, I just obsessed about the subject. And then in 98, I went back to university and you know ended up getting my undergrad and then my master's. so I got busy and I just didn't have time to read any other book but school books and and so my thoughts just really focused on on that, on my education and then like then I got a job and then that took up all my mental energy. And it's only in the last few years um since 21, well actually probably 2018 I started back into the topic and then in 2021 I started having more experiences.
00:30:12
Speaker
um more sightings and so on. what um What happened to get you back in? What was that the sighting?
00:30:25
Speaker
the yeah Well, what got me back in was the um you know the WikiLeaks and the TTSA ah you know ah ah launch and then the the article from the New York Times about the UFOs and so on, all of that. The Nimitz. The Nimitz and all that. All that pulled me back in.
00:30:46
Speaker
And it took me a while. you know I started just like, oh, okay, sort of like this is going on. But I was still working and I was in a stressful job and you know I was managing a department. And and so it it took me a while to really start getting back into it. and But I started reading and getting onto UFO Twitter and you know, listening to podcasts and so on. And by 2021, January 2021, I really started in on it. I started on a, you know, with ah on a Richard Dolan website and then got that got me to an online conference and then eventually into real life conferences once COVID was done.
Rekindled Interest in UFO Phenomena
00:31:31
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But it was in 2021 when things started to really ramp up again for me.
00:31:38
Speaker
What happened then? ah Just a bunch of different sightings. ah Plus, ah those ah i had for the audience, so I had sent James some pictures, ah and these two incidences happened at that time. so Yeah, okay. I can tell you about those.
00:31:59
Speaker
so um So I'm starting to read a lot about UFOs and I'm starting to meditate more and all of
Meditation and Kaleidoscope Colors
00:32:08
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this. and then So one night I went to bed as normal and woke up in the middle of the night and um three in the morning type of thing and there was this object floating ah over me but it wasn't like a solid object, it was like uh like a bunch of lights in a in a sort of a kaleidoscope fashion and it was just sort of undulating in front of me it like i'm lying down so i'm looking up at it and it's just sort of or so the round part is horizontally over me so i'm just watching this and it's beautiful how big was it it was about
00:32:50
Speaker
four feet in diameter. okay And about it was about four mean three, four feet above me. So I just had just a good view, ah sort of just below my ceiling kind of thing, you know, mid or mid ceiling, you know, like I have nine foot ceiling. So maybe about it seven feet was floating there. And um it it was beautiful, and reds and golds. and greens and browns and all just all these colors but in just a very rich colors like not to Like not bright and fluorescent II type colors just very rich deep colors And the thing was just moving around like that for about 10 minutes I watched it and it it reminded me of a kaleidoscope um It was absolutely stunning and I just watched it. I wasn't I didn't feel any emotion from it I wasn't afraid because it was just so beautiful
00:33:48
Speaker
I just wondered at it. i mean it was I'm like and'm thinking, what am I seeing here? This is absolutely an incredible display. i mean ah It sounds like you were mesmerized, but it it is a um mesmerizing photo.
00:34:03
Speaker
Yeah. ye And then it just receded at some point and I went back to sleep but again. you know So there was no like telepathic communication or anything. It was just observing this yep object.
00:34:18
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yeah yeah i don't I didn't know maybe it was something my brain was doing. like hi I don't know. right it's it it It wasn't physical, but it was was just a a swirl of colors like a kaleidoscope and moving around and it was absolutely stunning. so I'm not sure. Is that my brain? Some you know some sort of psychological thing. I don't know. it Didn't seem like it. but Not that it I mean that I think if you were hallucinating you you would know there was something going on. Right it was like a almost yeah like that kind of um yeah like let you hear about people I've never done any drugs like that anyways and hallucinogens but to see all the swirling colors but
00:35:09
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Maybe something like that. Yeah. I mean, if you were under the influence of that at the time, it might make more sense. But the um it there's a pattern to it. I mean, like that's.
00:35:21
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And you know, like you think of like angels and sacred geometry and colors. A lot of times people that talk about angels, talk there's ah kind of they associate them with colors, but that's, you know, just speculating with that.
Encounter with a Winged Being of Light
00:35:35
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I mean, it almost looks like a portal or something like that. Like, it's fascinating.
00:35:40
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Yeah, yeah, i don't I don't have no idea what it was. It's never happened again. um I justrembered just remember it was just so incredibly beautiful. And this was, okay, you said 21? Probably, yeah, it was a few years ago, so around 2020, 2021, something like that. Interesting. Yeah. What did you make of that?
00:36:05
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I don't know. I mean, alive I had been you know seeing stuff at that point, you know i you know the light being the the different craft, and I had that you know voice talking to me. So I just assumed it's along the lines of of that phenomena. One more thing.
00:36:26
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Yeah. and i and it was i mean I started with the Experiencer Group. I'm the J. Christopher King Experiencer Group. I don't know if you've heard of it. but no When I started with him and started talking about my experiences i and reading more about the phenomenon, I realized, well, this maybe it's just all tied into the phenomenon. I don't know.
00:36:49
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but it's it's just became ah um I mean, it's not commonplace, but it's i it's not it doesn't feel unexpected anymore. or It's more like i'm I'm always happy when something like that happens because it's it's it's kind of it's ah yeah it's exciting it's a because it's incredibly beautiful and it's magical. and yeah Yeah. I mean, not all of my, my dreams have been beautiful and magical. I've had some very, very, very dark stuff, but yeah for another time, but. Well, I mean, you're, you're welcome to go there. i So do you consider yourself an experiencer?
00:37:33
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I do. Yeah. Yeah. but I mean, i because I've seen a being, a delight being, and then I had those voices and I've had other experiences and all the dreams and then all the sightings, I mean, eight or nine sightings. So it when you start adding it up,
00:37:54
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And putting all the dreams together, when I start putting it all together, yeah, I start to realize, yeah, I'm an experiencer of some sort. I don't, I'm not an abductee as far as I know. I don't think I've ever been abducted, but I don't know that for sure. Yeah.
00:38:11
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Yeah. I mean, it's, um, are you familiar with Chris Bledsoe in that story? yeah Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, he seems to be a, like a magnet, right? For just phenomenon. its It sounds like, you know, on some degree you are as well. Um, he has a magnetic quality to him. I met him, uh, last year at contact in the desert and there is something very,
00:38:40
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you know he is He's an incredibly kind individual, very empathetic, and yeah yeah very a very interesting individual. Yeah, his whole story is fascinating. I would imagine people watching this probably know who he is, but he wrote a book, a UFO of God, but his whole story You know, cause when you're talking about observing these things too, right? Like you want to make sure that you're hearing these fantastic stories, right? Do these people sound credible? Are they crazy? Like, you know, and there's a lot of, you know, potentially like embarrassment, even sharing about them, which I think part of what's really helpful, I hope for you and for other people to hear this is that it's cathartic and you're not crazy. And these things, people observe them and, you know, are of sound mind.
00:39:35
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um But he his experience with moo fun and being
00:39:43
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I don't know, I'm gonna say wronged, but just, you know, kind of cast aside as this liar when if you you just observing him and hearing him talk, sounds very credible. Like, just like, it's not in his bones to to tell a lie or anything like that. So it's it's really, interesting and I've not met him. um But that's very interesting that you say that about him.
00:40:07
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Yeah, i don't yeah i I believe his story. And he describes a ah moment when he collapses to the ground as well, I think when the lady popped through as Hathor. So at one point, ah he sees come through the woods as this great big bull with horns and so on.
00:40:29
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and Then this bowl changes to the lady, which is a a woman who's all in white and blonde hair, blue eyes, and bloating, I guess, if you know three feet off the ground. and I think when he sees her, he falls to the ground as well. To me, that was when I heard that story when he said that.
00:40:50
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Or when i I don't know if I read that or you had said it in a podcast, I realized that's when I realized, okay, because I had collapsed. I had done the same thing and I think something in the human body.
00:41:05
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When you're encountering something like that, ah it's a pri I think it's ah some sort of primal thing. You could almost imagine you know ah maybe a monkey might might react in the same way if we showed it something really like astonishing. right and Not that we're monkeys, but you know what I mean. like I'm thinking about those goats that like fall over when they get startled. Well, they have a neurological disorder, but yeah, kind of something like that. I had a dog who had the same disorder, actually. Oh, no. Yeah. so he'd if he'd I'd go to throw the ball and he'd just like, because you know he was a cattle dog, so ah he'd go to I'd throw the ball and he'd be like, wow I gotta go get the ball. And as soon as he did that, he stiffened right up and fall over. Yeah. know So I learned to have, I'd have to throw the ball really, really get him running, throw the ball and he'd go after it and he wouldn't collapse. But the excitement of going after the ball would cause him to have this, this, uh, the muscles, uh, basically spasm and it causes them to fall over. Interesting. The goats have the same issue.
00:42:20
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So, but Chris Bledsoe had that um that experience that that caught your attention, like, oh, that happened to me. Yeah, well, the fact that he had collapsed at some point in his story, upon I think upon seeing the lady for the first time, it made me realize, oh, okay, that's interesting. ah That's not something a guy is normally going to admit to. Yeah, look, I fell to the ground, you know? So to me, that was like, okay, that's a response that I had. ah So it suggested to me that he was telling the truth about his story.
00:42:58
Speaker
And you mentioned, I think, the name Hathor. Is is that what he calls her, the lady? yeah Well, um he believes the bull that came through ah might have been Hathor. he they He doesn't know. This is just his speculation. okay And he doesn't believe the lady is Mary, you know, the mother of God. the He just calls her the lady in white, the lady. He calls her the lady.
00:43:23
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OK, so he's not ascribing any and even though he has a religious background, he is not ascribing any um identity to the lady. He doesn't know who she is. Well, the um the videos and photos that he captures almost ah I mean, they're they're incredible that he posts online and on his Instagram and things like that. Yeah, yeah.
00:43:52
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And Twitter, too. He's on Twitter, too. yeah And he's on Twitter. And Richard Dolan did a series, I think, for interviews with him. And I think those are some of the most comprehensive interviews with David Bledsoe, if anyone's interest interested. I believe you could see the Richard Dolan ah interviews ah on on YouTube. And I don't think there's a charge for anything if anyone's interested. They're really good. Yeah.
00:44:20
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Yeah. If I find it, I can put it in the show notes. Yeah. yeah Now you had sent me another ah photo, which is also fascinating. What's the story behind that?
00:44:34
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So that happened a few months after that first one I sent, the one with the the kaleidoscope of colours. um And it was about it was a kind of the same thing. um Three o'clock in the morning, this being is sort of hovering over me about three or four feet above my body, sort of like It's hovering over me, so kind of flying over me. And it's about this but about my size, ah but it's three feet above me. And it's it's hard to describe, but it it was in this sort of magenta color, blue-ish, purple-ish. And there was a mixture of colors.
00:45:23
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ah kind of maybe more towards magenta. It was sort of almost pink too. It's hard to describe. It was a mixture. and it's The wings aren't <unk> solid. it's just It's like wispy kind of wispy sort of wings.
00:45:41
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um and it it had two sets of wings so they were and they were flying. And so I could see it, the wings flying like that. ah They were and weren't flying like this, but like alongside like that. Like it was it was keeping itself in position almost. ah Yeah, yeah. But it was just, it yeah, I can't even describe like a, cause it's not solid, right? So it's a,
00:46:15
Speaker
It's just, i can't I don't know the wording, but like a mist almost, you know? But in it but anyways, it it hovered over me for a few minutes and I again just watched it. But this time I did have an emotion that was coming from in it. It was just this pure love emotion.
00:46:38
Speaker
And, uh, it just felt really great to be in its presence and, uh, it didn't last long, maybe three, four minutes. And then again, it just, uh, just faded away like, like it lost containment or something. oh I mean, it looks angelic or, I mean, with the wings, two sets of wings, I think the word fairy comes to mind that.
00:47:02
Speaker
Very like yeah very like it, it was beautiful ah and you know about five foot five feet. uh, long, because it's over me, five or, you know, five and a half feet long, about the size of my body. Yeah. It was really cool. And I, I, again, I don't know what it is. So I just, I just stick, you know, while that was really cool. And, uh, yeah, incredibly beautiful. And the emotion coming from it was just as incredible love, a real sensation of love, which I had never,
00:47:38
Speaker
And any of my accounts is I had not ah felt anything. It was all very neutral. Yeah, because I was curious, you know, like what was there something being communicated? I didn't get any thoughts. I just marveled at it. I mean, it was so incredibly beautiful. Wow. Have there been others like this? I mean, these are incredible, but And that's it. Those, those two. Yeah. That was it. and i Um, it's not happened again. I wake up and looks, you know, if I wake up at three in the morning, I'm always looking for something, but no. Yeah. Just those two times. Wow. Yeah. I mean, this, yeah.
00:48:25
Speaker
I mean, it's so fascinating that you've had so many, and there's, there's a lot more experiences that I'm not, I know that you've had and shared, um but these are just incredible that you've been able ah to experience different kinds of phenomena too.
00:48:44
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's true. and that um yeah it yeah Some critics will say, well, okay, you know people, they experience this and they experience that and they this and this and this. ah How come some people are getting all these experiences? and I don't know. um I just feel mostly blessed that I but i get to experience all these different things. um i mean i've had some Like I've said, I've had some ah a couple of really dark, scary dreams, and so probably could live without those ones. but
00:49:23
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i I think I would rather know the entirety of creation. if If these things are real, then I think it's good to know all aspects of it, not just the one side, but the other side is kind of hard to to cope with sometimes.
00:49:45
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um I just had a woman named Jacqueline Smith on who yeah is an experiencer and a hypnotherapist and she talks about kind of, you know, people want to have experiences and in some sense, you know, just You want to be a little bit careful about what you ask for, you know, like all things there are, you know, good and maybe bad in very simple terms. ah But it might be helpful for people to, you know, hear maybe some of the negative or what, you know, is the perception of bad or negative just
00:50:28
Speaker
Because if other people are experiencing it and they know they may not know what to make of it and kind of what to do about it So I mean you're welcome to share about that if you you don't mind and I mean, I don't I don't mind at all. It's It's pretty dark some of it. So but I'm happy to share it um ah Well, whatever you think would be helpful for people to know I and Okay, um, whether the first one I had, um, I was, um, see, it was in nineteen eighty. Probably nineteen eighty five January or February in Toronto.
00:51:09
Speaker
And, um, so what am I, I'm 22 at this point and I'm staying at a friend's house in downtown Toronto. And I'm sleeping in the living room on a mattress on the floor. And it's probably about, it's about six in the morning, maybe seven in the morning, the sun's just coming up. So it must've been seven, seven 30 in the morning, something like that. And.
00:51:40
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i um So in the dream, it's a dream. And in the dream, my father is trying to resuscitate my brother.
00:51:53
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who is, can't breathe. And he tells me to go and get an ambulance, go and call for an ambulance, or get an ambulance. So we're in a house, but it's not our house. I run down the stairs and out onto the street to get an ambulance. And across the street, um there's no other houses, it's just an empty field.
00:52:20
Speaker
And it's it's wintertime in Canada, so it's kind of like a gray outside, of brown like a sort of a pale brown and gray. everything's like there's not there's no There's no color, nothing's green. you know It's kind of dull. And there's three ambulances parked across the street. All three ambulances are gray. And there's three gray nuns in each ambulance.
00:52:47
Speaker
So, the nuns are gray, and their habit is gray, and they're in a gray ambulance, and there's three of them. And it's the old style ambulance. I don't know if you'd like something from the 60s, so the long, long, long ones. you know Okay.
00:53:02
Speaker
and And my roommate all of a sudden appears, um and she's a a couple of years older than me, and she's kind of like an older sister sort of person in my life, kind of kind of looking out for me. And she sees me and takes ah sort of goes to hug me, but then you know wraps her arms around me and sort of buries my head so where I can't look. And so she buries my head like that. And she says to me, the dark one is coming. The dark one is coming. Don't look at him or you'll never look up again.
00:53:44
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and and through, but even though she had my head cover, I couldn't i could see this thing coming from behind me, and it's um it's this man who's about seven feet, a being of some sort that's about seven feet tall, and
00:54:09
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He's riding a fly and the fly is big enough to carry him. So it's a great big fly and a seven foot tall demon like being.
00:54:19
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writing it. And it has, for its face, is the eye of a fly. I don't know if you've ever seen the eye of a fly. It's like the segmented, they don't have eyes. It's like it's like a a screen and it's all segmented. That's what it looked like. And it had like leathery, rubbery skin and it had long, long uh, talons with nails extending from them. And as he's flying by me, he, as he comes close to me, he reaches into my back
00:54:57
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through my back and grabs my heart and pulls it out of my body. And I felt my soul going with the heart and I battled for my soul for half an hour in the dream.
00:55:14
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And how what I mean by that is I kept just saying the Lord's Prayer because I didn't know what else to do. and So I just said the Lord's Prayer over and over again for about half an hour. And it it was just this battle for my soul. And then eventually he threw it back in my body with this surge of hate. And when that happened, I kind of woke up like that, like in like straight up in bed and then went back down because it was so painful and.
00:55:43
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When I opened my eyes, there was a great big fly in the middle of winter in Canada, and the fly was about ah almost an inch in diameter, a house fly. I've never seen a fly that big, and it was circling me like this. What? And then it then it just flew through a closed window out to the outside.
00:56:09
Speaker
Right? this is and So it's a dream, but then I'm watching this fly circling me, this great big fly. So am I still asleep and I'm still dreaming? I'm in that in-between. And I have this horrible pain in my heart. Now, did I have a heart attack? And that's what my body did to interpret a heart attack. I don't, I, I've had EKGs, there's been no registered heart attack on my heart. So. Yeah.
00:56:37
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So I don't know, but that, mean let me tell you that scared the hell out of me. I couldn't sleep for weeks afterwards. Uh, yeah, I think it would scare any, any one of us. That's fascinating that you, it's the dream, but then you wake up in pain.
00:57:00
Speaker
with the fly. Yeah. Like you could see the fly and it flew out a window. Yeah. That's. I know. That is one of those I feel like paranormal things, right, where you ah
00:57:18
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feel like flies or sometimes insects are involved, or it's like, you know, in in ah in a kind of haunting or something like that, and where they might notice something, but that's, so that's pretty, I mean, it was surreal, but it wasn't, it was real, like it, that's, that is a fascinating dream. I'm curious if people listening, you might know more about like that type of phenomenon. um But that's almost like the spiritual battle taking place within you.
00:57:47
Speaker
It really felt like it. It really did. um and that's i think i mean I definitely know like the Lord's Prayer. It was that that saved me. Now, I don't think it's just ah you know Christianity. i Perhaps if I was Hindu, there might be a prayer that I would say. I don't think it might it probably doesn't matter, but to me, that's what I think that's what saved me. and it It was pissed off that it I wouldn't let go.
00:58:17
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I just, I knew I was fighting in my dream. I, I felt like I was fighting for my very soul. Like your existence. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:29
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Was that maybe the last battle, would you say, or is did that happen again? Because I know you said there was a previous dream, I think, where you said like demons were circling your house. There were demons. you That was when I was a kid and then this happened and then there's been to two or three others.
00:58:47
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um the The one that happened, ah so the one that happened next happened after my first sighting. So I had a couple of incredibly beautiful spiritual dreams. And then I had ah maybe about a year after my sighting, um I had a dream of a man. Again, this was a man, um a gray man. So he was ah he was gray. He looked like a human, but he was gray.
00:59:19
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Everything about him was gray. He was wearing a gray suit. He was tall. Six foot, maybe six foot two. and We were walking towards, ah we're on some sort of base.
00:59:34
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And we're walking towards a building and we go into the building and then doubt there's nothing else around just this building on this, what looks like a base of some sort of military base. And the building's made of glass, actually. And we walk into the building, we go down an escalator, really, really, really long escalator, right down to the bottom.
01:00:01
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And we turned the corner, and there's a vat, a huge vat, 10 by 10, filled with babies that had been skinned alive but were still living. And they were all riding in this vat. I mean, it was horrific. And then they we went into a room, and I don't remember anything after we went into this room. That dream,
01:00:31
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even though it's a very short dream, was horrific yeah and it was And it was the gray man again. it was this It's the same feeling as with those three gray nuns and the you know the demon riding the fly. It had that same feeling to it. So it was just this darkness. But I don't remember anything beyond that. Once we went into that room, I have no idea what happened in that room.
01:00:57
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There is um like a story going around on the Internet right now i that people are
01:01:08
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relating to that they've had these dreams. And it's in regards to, no I think Aaron Rodgers, the football quarterback, did an ayahuasca journey ah really and had an experience with an entity called the Hat Man, which oh i I was not familiar with the Hat Man, but other people online that I follow on Twitter mentioned that they've had experiences or other people have had experiences with this. I had never heard of that.
01:01:38
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But is that like the gray man? Is that something like something similar to that? Or like, ah have other people had experiences with the gray man that you know of? Well, I know some people when I, you know, I can't remember who I've told this to, but, or maybe I just consider this. Uh, so a lot of times when people have abductions, they have screen memories.
01:02:05
Speaker
Um, uh, perhaps I had been abducted. I don't know. Um, because the gray man, gray wearing gray, I mean, you know, the tall grays. So I, I don't know if my, maybe my brain was, uh, like I was, I had a screen memory cause I couldn't deal with the, maybe it was actually gray. So that's a possibility. Um,
01:02:32
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So these are, okay, like a memory that's deposited versus what really happened type of thing so that you don't remember it. Possibly given by them or our own brains just can't handle it. So it replaces it with something it can manage. ah You know what I mean? I'm not sure. Or could they could not, I don't i haven't heard, I've heard about the hot man, but I haven't read anything about it. But now I will, of course. um yeah So i don't I don't know who this guy was, and I don't know the significance of the vat of babies, why I see this, like why am I seeing this, what happened when I went to into that room, I don't know. ah But it was the, there was that darkness, that's what it was, it had that feeling, that same feeling of darkness about it.
01:03:26
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Yeah, I mean it's interesting, I guess ah all you can do is sort of speculate That's the thing, right? It's, and it's, it's a dream. Maybe it's just a dream. That's the, that's the unfortunate thing when it's a dream is like, well, it could have just been, you know, your mind fabricating. Maybe I'd seen a bad movie or something like a horror movie. I don't like horror movies, but I mean, I did think of that Jeff Goldblum movie, the fly. Well, yeah. Um, sure. Right. Well, your mind, right. When you're shown something.
01:04:02
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is going to go to something that you can recall to kind of, you know, make sense of what you're being told or or that kind of thing. ah but yeah Yeah, that's so there's, I mean, there are, I suppose, dark things and say conspiracy theories are but just ah darker elements about things that, you know,
01:04:24
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allegedly exist and whatnot but it's you know curious that you have in addition to these like beautiful extraordinary loving things um also this polarity with these other experiences it is interesting it's almost like you've gotten the full spectrum of experiences or reality you know Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you right? Like they, they happened to you. So these are your, you know, these are very, very real. Um, what do you, are you still experiencing these things?
01:05:02
Speaker
um The last dream I had, the last really, so the last sighting I had was in contact in the desert ah this year. So ah and no, last year, sorry, 2024, 2023. So June 2023 was the last sighting I had. And um I had a really cool dream um just this summer.
01:05:32
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And I think that's probably it for experiences and dreams and sightings. So it's been relatively quiet this this year since Contact in the Desert, and which is odd, but it happens. You go through these quieter times. Well, maybe quiet for you, but there's other stuff going on. There's other stuff going on. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:58
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Yeah, it's interesting, you know, people were contacting me about the New Jersey stuff and, you know, who knows, I'm not entirely sure what to make of that other than there is some interesting things happening on this, um I guess, path to disclosure.
01:06:22
Speaker
Um, which is, I mean, people have had so many experiences at this point. It's hard to, uh, no, I don't, I don't necessarily look at it as a disclosure. It's like, I feel like that's for like other people. Um, but we're on, we're clearly on this path towards, um, I think more contact as more people open up to the idea that it's.
01:06:49
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maybe not as scary as some people would like you to believe, um, opening up. And so I hope, you know, that your story, uh, helps other people, um, for those listening, maybe that have had experiences, and where might you direct them to get, um, more information or more kind of help kind of making sense of things?
01:07:14
Speaker
Well, like I mentioned earlier, the Experiencer Group, if you just Google that, the Experiencer Group, that's not just for UFO, it's for all paranormal experiences.
Experiencer Group and Community Support
01:07:29
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okay And it's a great, great group.
01:07:32
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there's um you know We meet, ah and you can talk about your experiences, you can and you can form connections with other people, and there's all these other subgroups ah based on the different types of experiences. ah There's one group just for abductees, you know one group for that that have had more paranormal kind of stuff, or it runs the gamut.
01:07:55
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ah There's a group just for women, because some of the some of the experiences maybe are a little too personal to share in a group, and it's it's ah on Zoom.
01:08:07
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and they yeah There's a website, but the meetings are on Zoom, and so you can attend from all over the world. and ah That's been, for me, one of the most helpful groups I've ever been a part of.
01:08:22
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yeah Well, I'm sure it's helpful for people to see, you know, or to hear and to see, you know, other people's experiences and whether it's also footage or photos and things that they can get. Oh my gosh. Like I saw that too. Say no. yeah Yeah, with I mean, I didn't share all my experiences, but I know that when I saw footage online of something that I had seen, it validated me. Yeah. Like, oh, my God. Like, i that's what I saw. Yeah. Oh, OK. I come. Yeah.
01:08:58
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Like, okay, I could could put a video to it and just kind of jog my memory a little bit. but Yeah. I mean, the other thing I would recommend is going to conferences because that's where you get to meet other people. Like, a lot of people that go to these conferences, um either they're researchers um or they work with people who are experiencers and so on.
01:09:21
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But a lot of the people that are there are experiencers, so it's a good chance to really get to know other people and really get a chance to share your experiences here are other peoples and it's quite, I i find quite helpful.
01:09:39
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Yeah, and I guess I should share, it like I do work with, uh, experiences as well as a, as a therapist and hypnotherapist. And, um, you know, I know that there is a demand for, uh, for professionals that are opened in, you know, that people can feel safe with talking to because of the stigma behind it. Um, so there, there are people out there that can help as well. Yeah, definitely.
01:10:10
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Kate, is there anything else you would like to share to to others watching this? so yeah um I guess he did the one thing I'd like to say is that even though I've had these dark experiences, I do believe that light light or goodness will prevail over whatever darkness there might be out there. And I think mostly the phenomenon is good.
01:10:38
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um But and like we we were talking about earlier before we started um It's a big universe out there and there's probably a lot of different things out there that we could encounter and I think you just have to have a bit of discernment you be careful, but yeah, I think generally There's probably a lot of good out there I would agree with that. And I definitely believe that I'm optimistic in that way. Me too. One way that I've heard it is, you know, humans are good, but there are some bad apples. Exactly. I think it's the same sort of thing. Yeah. Are you familiar with Ruben Langdon at all? I'm not, no. He's interesting. You might want to check him out. I should write that down. Ruben. Ruben Langdon and his
01:11:33
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He has a podcast called interview with extra dimensionals, but you you may find that interesting. Oh, cool. I will check them out for sure. Yeah. But it there is a big universe and, uh, it's, uh, we're opening up to it. And, you know, I think the more people that there's the the element of fear.
01:11:53
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seems to be one of the sort of theories of the concepts, you know, like as if they just showed up, you know, it could be terrifying, right? And we all have our own belief systems about things that could really be very disruptive.
01:12:08
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um But as more people, I think, and maybe part of this sort of New Jersey drone stuff or whatever, you know, it's kind of like, in some ways, desensitizing people to like, okay, there's things happening,
01:12:24
Speaker
You know, more people are opening up to that possibility of, OK, these things are actually going on. They've been going on for a long time. And so they're not it's not ah as big of a leap for people to accept as part of my my thought, I guess. Yeah.
01:12:42
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Yeah. It's interesting times. I'm really curious about those drones. They, um, or whatever it seems to be a grouping of different things. So who knows? I'm, I'm very curious though. I, and yeah, I mean, it's recall the drones, but yeah, some of the footage and some of the descriptions are, uh, yeah. and Yeah. They don't sound like they don't know about all drones. It doesn't know.
01:13:12
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ah Yeah, yeah, call them drones if you need to, but you know, kind of thing. It's like, I think it's, I think that's become the more the catch phrase is like, oh, we'll call them drones and then people won't freak out. Because if you call them UAPs, UFOs or whatever, yeah, people are going to be starting to freak out.
01:13:32
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and Well, they had, ah you know, even so I'm down in in Maryland. Yeah. Our governor had one over his house or his property and he was filming one and it was just like, what is going on? And then all of a sudden it just like seemingly stopped. Yeah. Oh, so very curious things happening. say Yes. Yeah. An eventful time. But it's going to be an eventful year this year. For sure. Yeah.
01:14:03
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Well, Kate, I just want to say thank you so much for joining us and sharing your experiences. I hope this was helpful to those listening and I can't say thank you enough. Well, thank you very much for having me. It it is for me, it's always helpful to talk about it. It feels cathartic.
01:14:24
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