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Mary Rodwell on E.T. Contact, Starseeds & the Future of Human Consciousness
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In this episode of the Journey Mindfulness Podcast, host James O'Neill, LCPC explores the frontiers of consciousness with Mary Rodwell, a globally recognized pioneer in extraterrestrial contact and human evolution. As the founder of the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network (ACERN), Mary shares her three decades of experience supporting thousands navigating profound anomalous experiences. From star children to hybrid programs, she discusses how non-human encounters are transforming our understanding of humanity’s cosmic heritage. Mary offers insights into multidimensional mindfulness, the activation of dormant DNA, and the urgent need for authenticity in an evolving world, inspiring listeners to embrace their truth and potential.
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Introduction to Mary Rodwell and Her Work
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Welcome to the Journey Mindfulness Podcast, where we explore the frontiers of consciousness and human potential. Today, we're thrilled to introduce Mary Rodwell, a globally recognized pioneer in the realm of extraterrestrial contact and the evolution of human consciousness.
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As the founder of the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network, ACERN, Mary has dedicated over three decades to supporting thousands of individuals and their families navigating profound anomalous experiences.
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A former nurse, midwife, and counselor, she's also an acclaimed author of Awakening, How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life in the New Human, Awakening to Our Cosmic Heritage.
Research on Star Children and Multidimensionality
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With her groundbreaking research into the star children and the transformative effects of non-human encounters, Mary is reshaping our understanding of humanity's place in the cosmos.
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Join us as we dive into her extraordinary insights on mindfulness, or rather multidimensional mindfulness and awareness, and the next chapter of human evolution.
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Mary, welcome to the show. Thank you very much for being here. What a time to be alive. James, thank you so much for inviting me. And you're absolutely right. We are at a really crucial um point, I think, in human evolution and the awakening of consciousness on this planet, which is really quite incredibly stunning and exciting.
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Yes. I mean, there's just so much happening. it's It seems like time is accelerating and things are happening every day.
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Well, I think for me, the reality which helps me you you know embrace what's happening even more is the numbers of people that are contacting me that are waking up to more of their own multidimensionality and whether that's through interactions with non-human intelligences or angelic beings or other intelligences,
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through the cosmos, to me, that is validating everything that we're we're talking about right now. i So I recently had a prominent psychologist ah say something to me they they that shook me a little bit.
Embracing Authenticity and Cosmic Identity
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They said, how we how are you so brave talking about these things?
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But i I look at people like you and you've been doing this forever. yeah How are you so brave? Because this was so so taboo for so long. James, I don't see that as being brave at all. I just got to a point in my life where I was fed up of pretending.
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yeah you know um We put on these masks and faces and we put on what people expect us to say and to do. and i I reached a point in my life, particularly because I was working with people that were facing their mortality, you know, in in I was counselling grief and bereavement, hospice, those saying, you know, um talking about life after death because that's what they were facing and the regrets that they hadn't perhaps in their life um done certain things. And i what it said to me more than anything is the one gift I can give my children
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is to be me, to speak truthfully and authentically about what I actually believe and what my experience is, because I felt that that's my legacy, is to be ah truthful and honest and to be the person that I want them to um understand, you know, rather than them when I'm on my deathbed thinking, well, what who was mum?
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Well, she wasn't one that just put on faces. Mum, you know, was weird and wonderful and she used to say all these things or whatever. But at the end of the day, she was, we know who she was. And I think my message to most people is being authentic is why we're here on this planet to be ourselves, because that's the only way we're going to change anything.
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Yeah. And, um, you know, there's a lot to be said for, i joke around ah with a lot of people, but you know, you kind of put it out on your book. It's coming out of the cosmic closet. It's like, you know, you're coming into alignment and integrity and authenticity as you speak to these things, because people need that. They need to feel safe and heard as they experience these things, because a lot of times people, you know, scoff at them. They don't give them that, that grace.
Disclosure and Cultural Acceptance
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What I found, James, more than anything now is that, you know, they talk about disclosure. And certainly there's a limited drip feeding of disclosure now ah in the public from governments and what have you.
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But I believe disclosure is going to come from the ground up. It's going to come from the people that are saying, I'm fed up of pretending. that this is my life and there's nothing more to it because I'm meeting people of all cultures, ages, belief systems that are saying, you know, I've seen spirits since I was a child. You know, I've seen orbs. I've had communication with different intelligences.
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I've been up on the spacecraft. I, you know, i I know where I come from and and another space, whether or not it's a another origin, a star origin or whatever. whatever I don't talk about this to anyone, they'll say, you know, because...
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They don't understand or they'll think I'm crazy. And this is the story I'm hearing time and time again. And most of them say, I can't talk about it to anyone, you know, and this is my real life. This is my true life.
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And they're they're isolated because they think nobody else is having the same experience. And it I'm hearing it time and time again from all people. echelons of society. doesn't matter if they're professor of psychiatry, believe it or not, or whether or not it's a housewife or a farmer or a seven-year-old that's telling me they come from another planet and that they've got these abilities.
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Why is this not okay to share with the world? It's because of what's happened over eons where we've been afraid to be ourselves, to speak our truth because of all the limits and programs.
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Now's the time. now the Are you going to do it or not? I really do feel that. I just had a, ah you know, a rene ah renowned mindfulness teacher, you know, in the university space who, after 50 years, came out with his near-death experience and also that he had decades of out-of-body experiences where he would go into the cosmos and go to classes. Yeah.
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And he chronicled it in his journal. He didn't tell us. He didn't tell anybody, you know, but it's only felt safe in the last couple of years as this shift has taken place, this drip of disclosure and in in and the zeitgeist. So like, well, I guess it's OK to talk about it now.
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Well, I think that's been the major shift in, you know, 30 years ago, much of this was still very much behind closed doors talking about it or whatever. And you could talk about out-of-body experiences, shamanic experiences, healing, um energetic work and what have you. And it was still very much, whoa, that's all weird and strange. And you're obviously, you know, lost the plot. Excuse me.
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um But now there's been a real shift into looking at consciousness itself. And there are books that are writing you know about near-death experiences and out-of-body astral traveling, shamanic experiences, and a whole range of of different ways people are opening up to the multidimensional one way or another.
Supporting Gifted Children and Exploring Reality
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ah now credible people writing books and legitimizing this this whole area more and more, which is big more and more mainstream because people are seeking now answers to their own experiences and looking for where they can get the information.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. ah Several years ago, i was fortunate enough. um There was a psychiatrist who had a Christian background, but there was a child that was, they saw and they referred to me.
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and this was the first time that I came across this, but this child remembered all of their are past lives. and could see angels, knew them more by colors than by name, um could see spirits. And it was, mean, it was honored that they sent them to me because I could, I was more open-minded perhaps and than maybe others.
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um But what was the, that moment for me was like, okay, there's children that are supremely gifted that ah that are coming in and need help and support because Their parents may not know what's going on or the health care system may not treat them accordingly.
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What was that moment for you on your journey where you started to devote maybe, you know, the event that triggered your experiences to devote your time to that?
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Well, there are a combination of different steps. I think I've always been someone that's been seeking to understand reality on you know without understanding. That's what I was doing on what level. You get told about a whole range of things. You're programmed in through religion, through education and what have you.
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And then there's the questioning and there's, well, if that's accurate, why is this not falling into place or whatever? So i I was reading eclectically right from a young age, you know, whether if it was weird and wonderful, I'd try and get a book on it. You know what I mean? But I think that it was a gradual process of thinking to myself, there's so much I don't know.
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and there were various things like working with those that were facing their mortality and questioning was the life after death. And on top of that, I was exploring my own spirituality and looking at reincarnation and looking at hypnosis to you know to understand how people can tap into past lives and whatever.
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That intrigued me. And I had a few experiences of my own where that that happened.
Catalysts and Early Experiences in Extraterrestrial Contact
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And I found it fascinating, you know, the whole point of it. But what really got me into this particular field more than anything else was I'd synchronously, as we we know what that means, um picked up two books that are um looked interesting. One was Abduction by Dr. John Mack, the Harvard Professor of Psychiatry, um Human Encounters with Aliens.
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That looked fascinating. And I also picked up Whitney Streber's book, Communion, which was, of course, the classic about his own interactions with non-human intelligences, basically at the same time.
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And reading these books, thinking, gosh, this is fascinating. I expect it's pretty rare, you know, thinking that, you know, this is just another aspect that is part of the matrix, as it were.
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Within a couple of weeks, somebody walked through my door and said, Mary, I've heard you're open-minded. For this, there's no support groups. For this, they just think you're a loony. I've been having marks on my body, shaved areas.
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I know I'm going on spacecraft. My partner's having experiences. The kids are having experiences. Can you help? Now, for me, the fact that it wasn't just the person who was, you know, I had no doubts he was speaking his truth.
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I had zero doubts on that. But the fact that it was involving the whole family, he said, people won't come to the house because they think it's demons. And that was like, this is what we're talking about. This is an experience.
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And I didn't know if I could help or not at that point. but the But for me, it was so compelling. and And from that, really, that was the catalyst was, okay.
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And i was doing advanced counseling at the time. And i very bravely, courageously took that case study because I thought, well, You know, it's it's someone that's come to me.
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They're asking for counselling. Yes, they're having this weird experience. What is the group going to make of that? And they were a mix of um psychologists, counsellors, uniting minister and whatever. And I threw the case out to them and thought, well, they're going to think that the guy's crazy or they're going to say, well, maybe there's something to it.
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What was fascinating, James, more than anything, was they all started to come out with their own weird experiences. One said I was in a haunted house once and somebody else talked about another weird experience. So instead of shutting it down and saying, well, the good guy's plainly fantasy prone, they were all telling me about weird experiences that they had. Interesting. Not fully understanding, you know, um what this experience was that that, you know, my client had.
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What that proved to me then was I needed more information because they couldn't help me. They certainly didn't think he was crazy. um And they were all experiencing multidimensional things in their own way as well.
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So that started me on the catalyst for my journey. And I you know contacted the organization that was run by Dr. John Mack and others. And that sort of was I didn't expect it was going to be my trajectory for my future.
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But i I opened up an induction support group with a social worker. Twelve people turned up. And this is in ah a city of a million at the time.
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And that's a lot. Yeah, and think that's I'm pretty impressed by that. You know, right away, 12 people. And that it sort expanded into several hundred.
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And I realized then that this wasn't rare at all. This was about consciousness being activated on the planet. This is through cultures, belief systems.
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It doesn't matter age. It doesn't matter what you're doing. It doesn't matter whatever your belief systems may be previously. You can have these experiences. And that is why I stayed with it, because there were so many that didn't know where to go, that were afraid to go to conventional resources because of the lack of understanding, primarily, because of the way that we understand reality. And of course, if it's anything beyond your five senses, then it's suspect in certain quarters.
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So who do you go to? Where do you go? And that's why I wrote Awakening was a kind of resource book, ah you know, a handbook to help people through. Yeah. yeah i was One of my later questions, but where where might you direct contactees or people that are awakening or new to this phenomenon um or have had some experiences, where might you direct them to? But your book would be one of the resources to do that.
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Well, it was what I was trying to do was how can I help when people are so isolated? They're afraid to go to conventional health because they obviously are wary about what what is going to happen if that it's misunderstood.
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And in many cases, because our therapeutic organizations don't have the understanding, because anything beyond your five senses is still considered, in many cases, suspect, as we know.
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So... And I've met many that have been damaged by going that route, that have ended up in heavy medication, hospitalization and what have you. And that's that the dilemma, isn't it? If you're looking and seeking support, but that support isn't actually accurate or useful support.
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In fact, extremely damaging in many cases. Then what do you do? Yeah. I mean, it was, uh, I think maybe even just a week ago or so the New York times had a a large expose on, you know, the industry, uh, in treatment of ADHD.
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And just yeah rethinking that. um But perhaps we could tie that into, ah you know, these star kids or indigo children ah or the letter, the letter children as is it Dr. Lena Olsen? Is that what she she coined? Letter people.
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The letter people. Yes. I think that to me has been quite fascinating was you never know what is you're going to find as you go on this journey. And what of course was very clear was that in many cases it was an intergenerational experience.
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And even a though the older generations didn't talk about it, there were indicators that they were involved. I would often say to somebody, well, was your parents or your grandparents ever in um a bit different? You know, like like a bit psychic, like they'd say, oh, granny was a bit fae or granddad was always into UFOs.
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That would be the generational, the the link that I would look for. Even though they'd never talk about it, they would be open to multidimensional experience. But what was fascinating was many of the children being born from people having experiences were often seen as dysfunctional or having, you know, were neurodivergent, if you like.
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And we're given labels like ADHD, Asperger's, autism, dyslexic, and i I'm even bringing in bipolar now as well as a possibility, seen as aberrations without necessarily looking at it from a more holistic point of view and realizing that many of these are really higher functioning in many ways that we just don't realize.
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I mean, i remember that the clue to that. And you you know how you're trying to make sense of things and things come into your consciousness or your help to get understanding, and particularly the ADHD.
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And I remember talking to ah an experiencer, Neil Gold, in in hongk when I was in Hong Kong. He was in his 50s and he said, Mary, he wrote the book Close Encounters of the ADHD Kind.
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which was himself having interacted with light beings. And he said, I always saw a greater reality than most people, he said. He'd only really realized he would would be diagnosed as ADHD.
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And he changed that to always dialed into higher dimensions. And that's what ADHD is, in fact, is they're operating from a higher perspective.
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And what we do, or mainstream does, was say, oh, they can't can't focus, they they need to be programmed into and educated in this way.
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They're lowering the frequency with medication so that they can be programmed. In fact, we're saying, how can we find a way to stabilize them so that they they are able to function better?
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And Dr. Lena Olsen particularly said, because of her own experiences, you know, said, yes, it can be, um it can be stabilized with certain vitamins and minerals and what have you. They need more of them because they're operating on a higher frequency.
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So really it's about understanding what's going on and how we can help them rather than medicate them out of what we think is a dysfunction or disorder. When in fact, I believe their new mindsets to stop us from being programmed into that environment,
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um 3D limited and limiting ah reality, which now is not functional for humanity. We're finally realizing that we are all multidimensional and that is our five senses are only part of the the equation.
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Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's really interesting. um His, Dr. Gold's perspectives, um, on that. And, um, also that, you know, there's this sort of built in protection, like it's, they're breaking away from the 3d into this newer, newer reality. Um, it's, it's, that's part of it is fascinating.
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And it's one of the common complaints that I hear from, ah my adult clients is, you know, I was medicated at an early age and essentially my, my light was dimmed.
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You know, my personality was blunted and i really regret that. And now that I'm an adult, you know, I'm kind of discovering who I am. um But it's it's really fascinating to hear you say that just in how education, too. I mean, like that's a big part of your book is kind of am maybe you can talk about that, like how you see that evolving as as these things come out and we look at this in a new way.
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Well, for me, James, it wasn't just about saying this is the issue here that's going on and how we're misunderstanding these amazing new um generations of enlightened humans that are coming in that are different. And they're certainly different in thinking that's deliberate so that we can start to really expand and show our abilities and what have you anyway.
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How do we support them? Well, we don't support them by trying to program into a box that doesn't fit for them because all that's got to do is is disable them on multiple levels.
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Ultimately, when we have more understanding, I believe that the children, and these generations themselves, will tell us what they most need to function in an optimal way with their abilities and their awareness.
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So I see it as providing a space for them to actually say, this is what I need to you know expand my abilities and what have you. And our job, more than anything, will be to support that, support them with eating healthily and keeping them healthy.
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um in a a safe environment so they can expand with their abilities. When you're talking to children that know how to heal, I was talking to a seven-year-old some months ago and she said that she's a hybrid. She explained that she was part blue avian, part human.
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And then she goes back to her planet at times. But she said, when I do healing and she does it with a certain frequency, she said, what I'm doing is activating them to do healing for themselves.
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So she's she knows exactly what her role is, exactly how she does it um in in in amazing detail and her origins. Now, what do you do with that? You know, do you put her into...
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you know, a state school and say, you know, sit there and this is how reality works when she's tapping into her own sources of information and what have you. yeah I always remember a 13-year-old telling me that she'd go into the classroom and she had a being that used to stay with her.
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And if the teacher had said something that was inaccurate, the being would say to her, well, that's inaccurate. This is what you actually need to know. And so she'd be listening to what the teacher's saying and and knowing when to dismiss it because she had this other...
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information. If we understood that, then everything would change in terms of how we understand reality. But of course, nobody nobody talks about it, do they?
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They just get on with it and keep quiet. Well, we're talking about it. a eight There's an example in your book where I can't can't remember the exact quote, but basically the the child is talking about, you know, we already know all the information that they're trying to teach us. Like where we we're learning at a higher level. We're already coming in with these skills. I mean, you talking about a seven-year-old with healing abilities is fantastic.
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It's not just that. It's the fact that they're bringing in concepts and understanding of the greater reality. I always remember this eight-year-old in this very room talking to me about going up on the spacecraft with two of his school friends and sitting in a group. Some of them, he said, some of the children weren't human. They looked differently. Their eyes were different.
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And he said, and we were taught how to manage things with our consciousness, with our mind and taught concepts. And so I said to him, can you tell me some of the things that you've been taught?
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And he said, he said, no, he said, it's too complex for you. And that was the end of the conversation.
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What will say to that? He's just, okay. Oh my gosh. It's. It's fascinating to me how, as I'm learning more and more of these stories of people going into school at night and learning about the cosmos and advanced concepts and healing and you engineering and all of these things, um and some of which they're You know, I know the one guy i spoke with was like, you know, i try to write down as much as I can remember.
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You know, I don't remember everything, but ah there are people that remember a whole lot. I know our mutual friend Jacqueline Smith, she can recall...
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quite vividly so much of her experience going into, onto craft and her family, her star family. um It's just, it's, it's fantastic. And I remember hearing her story for the first time and just keeping an open mind. I'm like, she's just recounting her experience. Yeah.
00:25:47
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You know, there's no, no manipulation, nothing to be gained in what she's saying here. And she's just telling the story. And I just, it was so credible to me. it just blew me away.
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I think, James, that's what has been so profound for me when people say, oh, they're seeking attention. You know, they want they just want you to take notice of them or or give them publicity and what have you.
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And i I find that quite hilarious that they would say that. I remember being some mainstream news was asking me, you know, you know, do you actually believe them? I said, if somebody's travelled from another country and paid all that money to come and see me and where I live, I said, and recount to me a fantasy.
00:26:30
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I'm not going to make them famous. I'm only going to just listen and support them. Why would they do that? You know, it's illogical for a start. I said, and most people are not seeking attention.
00:26:41
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They just want someone to hear them and to hear their experience. And as you say, when they go into detail, And it's coming ah from such an authentic space. You've got no doubts they're speaking their truth, their experience. what i that's You can't question that because it's so obvious that, you know, and when you go into the, as you say, the detail, when Jacqueline gone into the detail of what she's learned and experienced,
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There is no question that that's a reality. But unless somebody's actually heard them themselves, it's very easy because it's so outside of their own belief system and paradigm that it's very hard unless they gradually realize that we don't know what we don't know.
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And there is, you know, and that's what I keep saying to people is you don't know what you don't know. So how can you say, well, that's real or not real if you actually don't know? Because we don't even know what reality is as such, you know?
00:27:38
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Yeah. Trying to work it out. I mean, it's a problem I run into. You know, I grew up Catholic and or my parents are are very Catholic and I tell them some of these stories and they're like, well, how does this relate?
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Like, how does God fit into this equation? example How do you explain that?
00:27:57
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Well, I was brought up Catholic too. So, i you know, very interesting programming we you know ah um in more ways than one. And of course, once ah I started to challenge things like reincarnation because people were having past life memories and that's not okay. And gradually pulling apart what I'd been taught over many, many years and what have you.
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I got to the point where I was saying, oh, yeah, the star of Bethlehem and what happened. Well, that's a UFO for a start. So putting a UFO on top of my Christmas tree was the first way of doing it.
00:28:31
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And men saying, oh, in vitro fertilization, they wanted a star kid called Jesus. So they actually made sure that that was the right. and And we've heard of implantations of ah people that have not had any intimacy whatsoever and having pregnancy. So that actually is part of what can happen anyway and and does happen in the missing pregnancy thing. It's not always where there's two people. I mean, there's.
00:28:56
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that I've worked with people who've had hypnosis where they um that have told me they've gone to a doctor because they thought they were pregnant and then it it wasn't there. But the doctor saying you look like you've had lots of pregnancies and they have had no pregnancies at all. They've not had any relationships or anything to do with that. So that's another program that is is quite fascinating is the hybrid program, which, you know, Jacqueline talked about.
00:29:22
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Yeah, I mean, she was just on a ah podcast talking about her hybrid children. And, ah I mean, it's,
00:29:32
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I did not realize just how extensive the hybridization program was. And I know you wrote about in your book to, um, a woman named Sarah, uh, but what?
00:29:43
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Yeah. You know, just maybe you could speak a little bit about like just her case in the hybridization program for those that aren't familiar. Well, id I'd like to say it from, first of all, an eight-year-old that was talking to me with her mother from the States.
00:30:02
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And she was very excited because two days before she'd she had been up on spacecraft, she wanted to tell me all about it. And she said they took me to a planet where they showed me how to levitate and use my third eye and use my abilities. And then they took me back onto the spacecraft and they were showing me how they were...
00:30:21
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manipulating human DNA and creating new species to go to other worlds and other dimensions. So they were showing this to an eight-year-old. And this is what we seem to understand from, and I mean, this is not just an odd case here and there. I'm talking about hundreds and hundreds of women who have spoken to me about being able, seeing their hybrid children um and being knowing more about their connection to them because often they're taken to see their hybrid children ah as there seems to be a need for them to recognize them and to share energy and emotions with them.
00:31:00
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There are some that have said, ah you know, she's got 20. ah or more. And they're all different, obviously different genders and and what have you as well. But there seems to be ah a an important reason for this program. And it seems to be looking at certain qualities in in the um the different children that they have. Some have different awareness, different qualities, and not all of them will ever come and and be you know incarnated in inner a human life.
00:31:34
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you know on on our planet, many starships and what have you. it's I wrote about missing pregnancies very much in the awakening one because so many women have said, I felt I was pregnant for two or three months and then suddenly it was gone, that my pregnancy was gone.
00:31:51
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And they felt the grief and the loss of that and the tangibility of it. if somebody says to me, well, the tangibility, one case that was quite profound in there was a lady called Anne in the UK,
00:32:04
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where she had two children and got pregnant again. And she wasn't sure she could go ahead with it because the doctor had told her that it was a bit um dangerous for to go ahead again because she might end up losing her life or having a stillborn because it was very close after the second child.
00:32:21
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The second child, who was called Jason, had nearly died himself. So she was very wary about whether she should go ahead with the pregnancy. But it was the it was taken um the decision was taken away from her because she woke up one morning and the pregnancy was gone.
00:32:38
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And then she came to the conclusion that the the child was taken. I'm very, very angry with the ETs. She said, how dare they, you know, doing this, taking my child and couldn't even look at children because of the deep grief that she felt.
00:32:53
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And it was interesting because she came to Australia and she wanted to to finally look at that with me in ah in ah um in hypnosis and find out more about what actually happened.
00:33:04
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Because it had so traumatized her, yeah so deeply traumatized her. And I remember saying, are you sure you want to do this? Because I didn't know what we were going to find. Right.
00:33:16
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But it was actually quite amazing because when she went back to the experience and being taken up on board craft, she saw that they were actually taking the fetus and putting it into a kind of ah incubator or whatever.
00:33:32
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So I said, i said, so tell me more about your side of this. And she says, I'm sitting in front of this being. And he's saying to me, if you go ahead with the pregnancy, you know what the doctor said, that you're going you very likely could lose your life.
00:33:48
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This way, we can keep that help you keep the child, but it'll have to stay on board craft. And I remember her, and she was in tears, so emotional in this hypnosis.
00:33:59
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And she said... I decided that I wanted to keep him alive and that was the only way to do it because I didn't want to leave my sons without a mother. And she said something like, promise me you'll love him and you'll always look after him.
00:34:12
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Promise me that to the being and the being saying, yes, we will. We'll make sure that he's he's okay. So she gave her consent, which was something she had not realized that she'd done.
00:34:23
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yeah And she said, and I said, can you see your son now? And she describes a 12-year-old coming in, holding a rose and saying, hi, mom, I've been wanting to meet you for so long. Wow.
00:34:37
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it was the most amazing kind of shift in her consciousness and her awareness and her understanding that this was actually a consensual thing.
00:34:48
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And that he'd bit he says, I've been with you all the time, mom. I've been with you all the time. And she was writing a second book about her experiences. And she said, Mary, whenever I get stuck, he will come in and he'll give me information and he'll help me with whatever I'm stuck with. So she's having ongoing communication with this third child.
00:35:09
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Is that okay? There's a clairaudience. She can communicate with him. Yeah. Well, she was always very intuitive as a child. And she said it had been shut down by her parents because they said, you can't talk about that. They'll think you're crazy and whatever.
00:35:23
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So she shut down. So when she had two children and the second one said, look, you know, i I'm from somewhere else. i'm I'm having experiences. She struggled to believe him for a long time.
00:35:35
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And it was only when he was in his, thirty he was about 12 or 13 years He comes running in and saying, see, I told you this was real. He'd seen a talk show on television from the UN and they were talking about ETs. And he said, I told you that I was having these experiences. I told you, I told you.
00:35:50
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And then she finally, ah group you know, um accepted that he was having experiences. And he was saying he'd got a brother. And she said, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. um Because he'd been having interactions with this child on board craft, but she didn't want to hear any of it.
00:36:06
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So this was huge for her to finally own that it wasn't um something um without her you know her involvement with it.
00:36:18
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And this is one of the questions that I often ask James when they're in that process of getting understanding in the in that trance state. Have you on any level?
00:36:29
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agreed to this experience, to this, what you're experiencing now. And nine times out of 10, they'll say, yes, but before I came here. Yeah. Yeah, that's ah hard for people to understand that you, okay, but you ask about that in in the session. Okay.
00:36:46
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Because ah to me, the more understanding they have, what people don't also understand in hypnosis when you've got them in that altered state and they may be on the craft and they're seeing a procedure and they want to know what the procedure is.
00:36:59
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Usually the question I ask is, any of these beings familiar to you? And of course, there always is one familiar because generally this is lifelong. And they'll say yes. And I'll say which one. And they'll say the one to my right.
00:37:11
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Ask that being how many times they picked you up is usually what I say. And oh, two, five, seven. done And they'll list out the number of times they've been asked this being why they've done picked you up this time.
00:37:25
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And they'll say, oh, they're just giving me a check over. They're doing this, this and this and this. And any other questions that they've wanted to know, i will get them to ask in that space. And they'll have a communication with that intelligence.
00:37:38
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So this gives them the opportunity to get answers. And it's spontaneous. this's There's, you know, there's no way of their left brain coming in and getting in the way at all because they're in that altered state where we shut down.
00:37:53
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And they'll come out of it and say, oh, my goodness, you know, I'm realizing far more of there their understanding of themselves and their consciousness and the intelligences they're working with.
00:38:07
Speaker
It's so fascinating to hear you talk about this. When I first got into hope hypnosis, probably about five years ago, ah one of my first cases, someone who was more familiar with the work said, have you come across any aliens yet?
00:38:25
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And I just had. um There was a woman who a she recounted her abduction experience with beings known as Syrians.
00:38:36
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who essentially she had some uh some extensive uh trouble going on in in her upper body and they they cured her they they performed surgery on it and fixed her and so she was very grateful for her experience even though there was so you know elements of fear on on the surface so of you know abduction it can be a scary word but It's interesting to hear. you know Is there a percentage you would put to you know positive experiences that you come across?
00:39:10
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Well, i'll I'll go to the research of the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Free Foundation that I was um one of the founders of with um Dr. Rudy Shield, um Ray Hernandez, and Dr. Edgar Mitchell. And the research that we did was with 4,200 individuals globally, 600 questions.
00:39:29
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And one of the most profound was, asking about the outcomes of their experiences, despite many of them initially experiencing fear to to begin with.
00:39:40
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And we found that 85% of those surveyed had a psycho-spiritual transformation. only 15% were still in fear, that the rest had noticed a complete transformation of their awareness and their consciousness. 50% had healing on board craft.
00:39:59
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So when we look at outcomes, that's ah an extremely significant outcome. Their whole perspective on life changed, materialistic values, um looking at a more holistic lifestyle, changes his understanding of consciousness, and a whole shift in everything that mattered to them came from their experiences ultimately, as you saw with Jacqueline and whatever.
00:40:25
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and And that to me, gives us a pretty good indication that, that in a majority of cases, this has been a very, very beneficial. Yeah.
00:40:36
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It's, you know, someone like Jacqueline who devoted her life to helping people and animals. Yeah. You know, who has come into her own as a, as a, you know, healer and very wonderful helper.
00:40:52
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Yeah. Quite, quite fascinating.
00:40:56
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ah Mary, my my ah training in mindfulness ah took place, one of the first trainings I went to was at the Earth Rise Retreat Center in Petaluma, which was ah the Institute of Noetic Sciences, Dr. Edgar Mitchell's place.
00:41:17
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Yeah. And I had no idea at the time years ago that he had started his organization and was into all these things. This was not in my, uh, aperture at the time.
00:41:29
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Fascinating that you you're a part of that group and you're co-founder in that. It's really wonderful. Well, what was so important and it hadn't happened, James, is that this had not been, this kind of survey hadn't been done in any meaningful way.
00:41:45
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You know, a number 50, maybe maximum or whatever. And the whole idea was to bring this into the academic arena with the same protocols and get a really broad spectrum globally.
00:41:57
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And the 600 questions were really quite incredible. And it's in a book for Beyond UFOs. I can send you a PDF of that if you're interested. ah Very much so. I think it's really important information to put out there.
00:42:11
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Well, there was so much, you know, in terms of everyone thinks the greys are the first, the most and prolific of those that people experience. Well, in fact, it's not. it's It's humans. It's energy beings that are the first that most people see, not the greys. The greys are actually a second second down.
00:42:31
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So it takes away a lot of the myths that around this whole thing because of what's put out there, you know, in mainstream news and whatever. But for me, the most profound things were the acceptance of us being connected to many of these intelligences and our resonance to that as well.
00:42:51
Speaker
and And that to me has been opening up a bigger, ah far greater picture of what's actually going on in terms of consciousness. and how we're connected to all of these, not just physical AT beings, but interdimensionals, extradimensionals, transdimensionals, ultradimensionals, and beings from our future.
00:43:14
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And one seven-year-old told me he was from our future, and yeah he was a being with four digits, and he'd come back, as we would see in time, to be human now.
00:43:26
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And he was explaining that some of the intelligences... that he knows have an IQ of over 400. So he you know he was coming out with lots of detail about how he understood it, including the concept of God, which was an ultraviolet frequent ultraviolet light that creates with his understanding of God. Make of that what you will.
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah. You know, but it sort of gets you far it fun Yeah, I mean, do you do future life progressions or... I haven't done that the future.
00:44:06
Speaker
I don't know. I've not been ever asked to. Primarily, I'll work with um past lives, although it's not really past lives, is it? We're all just accessing, you know, side what's past lives? You know, you get that.
00:44:20
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That's just a term that we use because we're accessing all of that data from our soul memory anyway, you know, in in our everyday life or whatever. yeah For me, all I would need to do is, again, say to that person, this is this if you want to go to that, what is it that's coming to you?
00:44:40
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and turns out that The big thing for me, James, is is teaching individuals how to know the difference between left brain and right brain information. Once they've got that clear in their mind...
00:44:51
Speaker
then um it makes it easier for them to tap into and trust what they're experiencing because that seems to be the big confusion, you know, knowing the difference, you know, and I usually say in left brain, you think before you speak in right brain, you speak before you think.
00:45:08
Speaker
Okay. Okay. The absolute reverse. And I think when they get that, then I think so that's coming in instantly. That's your multidimensional self giving you information, whether it's a sensing, feeling, knowing or um vision or whatever else it is. If it's coming in instantly, then that's multidimensional.
00:45:25
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But, you know, it's it's getting it's getting to know everything. just how to ah understand it and operate. And they say, well, how do I know it's not my imagination? And that's the question that they ask.
00:45:37
Speaker
And my answer to that is, you know it's not your imagination because if something's real like your bedroom, you know immediately in your mind's eye your bedroom, you know where the door is, the window, the the color the walls are, et cetera.
00:45:49
Speaker
If I said to you, imagine a bedroom or create a bedroom, you'd have to think to create it. You'd have to say, how big would the room be? Blah, bla blah, blah, blah, blah. So if something's coming in in instantly, it's not imagination.
00:46:01
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It's your multidimensional self bringing in information. And when they sort of get the handle on that, then it simplifies their own downloads. If they're interacting with different intelligences,
00:46:12
Speaker
it clarifies that for them because then they can start to have more confidence in um what I call the telephone conversation, you know, ask the question, get the answer, ask the question, get the answer, ask the question. Yeah.
00:46:25
Speaker
You're able to trust it more. Yeah. Just giving them tools to operate with confidence in their multidimensional side so that they can, you know, start to, you know, and enjoy it and trust it really.
00:46:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, with because when things start coming out, you know, I know um when in my own regressions, ah you know, after the fact, being like, what just came out of my mouth?
00:46:50
Speaker
Like, is this true? Oh, it's just a lie. The hard thing, they'll trust it if they're completely somnambulistic, which some are, um but most are not.
00:47:02
Speaker
So i'd say to them as devil's advocate, do you think that you would imagined that? And they're saying, not in a million years would I have imagined that. And I always remember a lady really in deep hypnosis using the clicking language of the mantis.
00:47:19
Speaker
And she's having a conversation in this clicking. kicking And I knew that she was talking to the mantis and whatever. She comes out of it and I said, um you know that you were having a conversation. She said, what do you mean? I said, well, with the clicking language and what have you. She said, oh she says, that's the absolute rubbish. She said, I couldn't possibly be doing that or whatever until she heard it.
00:47:40
Speaker
And she she really struggled to believe that that was her having a ah conversation with the the Mantis intelligences and whatever. So I'm saying, but, you know, you don't imagine that, you know, you don't create that.
00:47:54
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It happens or it doesn't because it's real. Yeah. I mean, it's that whole thing is just mind boggling. And we're going back to Jacqueline Smith or speaking in light language or writing in light language or, you know, you see art with light language. It's yeah. yeah I'm sure you could say more on that, but at that whole thing, that multidimensional, you know, the communication is is just unbelievable.
00:48:23
Speaker
Well, that's more of the reality that I say proves that they're having a multidimensional experience because that's not something you do out of your imagination. And when you see a seven-year-old having a conversation over the phone with someone else that's speaking to them in light language and they're actually having a conversation in light language with each other, and I've got video of that,
00:48:45
Speaker
but I have not seen that. That's that's great. And they're literally, this seven-year-old's having this conversation. she's She's getting the response on the other end of this other person that's having speaking light language.
00:48:57
Speaker
And it's the same light language. So they're actually understanding one another. and you know It's pretty compelling when you get this kind of thing going on. But we have to understand with like language, not all of it is linear in the same way.
00:49:11
Speaker
Some of it are are packets of information, ah more like code. So in other words, um One syllable, for example, can contain the information of a room full of encyclopedias.
00:49:23
Speaker
So it can be it can be software, if you like. I think it's software for a new upgraded human. And I think we're being downloaded with some of this to prepare us for when we expand multidimensionally.
00:49:37
Speaker
And I think this is where we're headed. And that's why some of this is actually coming in. I don't know if I'm right. It's just my opinion. But it sort of makes sense to me. ah yeah You see it and hear it more and more, at least from what I'm looking at and perceiving.
00:49:54
Speaker
You know, people being able to speak it. It's almost as though they open themselves up, James, to a certain frequency. And that means then that they are open to these codes or these this frequency ah and vibration that is, ah I think, activating more of their dormant DNA.
00:50:14
Speaker
Because, i you know, for me, that's the key is the DNA side of it. We know that one gram of DNA can hold enough information of all the information on the Internet. That's just one gram.
00:50:26
Speaker
So what is held in our DNA that we're not accessing, that we can't you know that could be telling us more about who we are? And Dr Francis Crick was one of the proponents of that in his book Life Itself, saying that it was no doubt that we were intelligently designed.
00:50:43
Speaker
And, you know, that it all ties into that, that if we are part of these intelligences and there's supposed to have been at least 12 different species that had part, were a part of their program, some say as many as 22. What, what, ah why are they interested in us? Because we're part of them.
00:51:03
Speaker
And they're now seeing us gradually um opening up to who and what we are and assisting us to do so, in my view, that the part of the interactions is all part of that.
00:51:15
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, what you just said is very important because i people ask the question, well, what you know what do they want with us? And it's, well, we are part of them. yeah there's There's a mutual interest there.
00:51:28
Speaker
And an eight-year-old said that's what they do. This is what many species do. It's part of their mandate to create new intelligences and species on different worlds and different universes and what have you. That's that's part of the program. And this is why there's a you know this what what is almost an activation of awareness with those that have these experiences. They start to find themselves becoming more psychic.
00:51:53
Speaker
You know, ah more clairvoyant, more clairaudient, more clairsentient. And the thing that is difficult on this planet is when that happens, it's harder and harder for them to function in limited 3D reality. And so, you know, they're seen by many as looking a little bit weird or ah um or being a bit strange.
00:52:12
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If you've got a child that can communicate with animals, I've met many adults as well as children communicating with animals. And one of them is a veterinary surgeon that wrote to me, and said that she can the animals tell her, the pets tell her what to say to the owners.
00:52:28
Speaker
And she says, and she translates what they say um to them. She says also that some of the pets that have passed on, she will get messages from them to tell the owners.
00:52:39
Speaker
Now, this is a veterinary surgeon telling me this. give wow But I've met numerous, numerous people, adults, as well as children, saying they communicate with animals.
00:52:50
Speaker
Some communicate with, um you know, dolphins and what have you as well. So where's the barrier? The barrier is just our own limited thinking that we can't do that.
00:53:03
Speaker
Yeah, and as you're telling me this, i there is someone I know. He's an adult. ah he's one of He has Asperger's, and he can communicate with animals. That's one of the things one of his gifts.
00:53:19
Speaker
yeah It's extraordinary. ah but So yeah, this DNA, that that's a big piece. there' This upgrade upgrading of consciousness, and these children are helping to bring that in.
00:53:33
Speaker
I think what's fascinating is many of them are not only embodying these these upgrades, but as as this little seven-year-old was saying, shit she has the energy that actually activates by just being in an energy field with them as well.
00:53:51
Speaker
So it's like if you are activated, you can actually activate others around you if they're ready to be activated. So it's like... you know, this, um, this frequency can be broadcast to others.
00:54:07
Speaker
Interesting. So that's how it happens. Not everyone needs to have the direct experience, but be in the field of someone who is already activated, who's already having experiences.
00:54:21
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that and the the codes or the, cause I, all the scripts that people send me, hundreds of those strange scripts, all different kinds of writing and whatever, um apart from the style languages. And I was wondering what on earth should I do with them?
00:54:35
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You know, because there's so many, how do I, so, you know, my weird side was, what am I supposed to do with these guys? You know, tell me what i was supposed to do with them. And the sense was that they, they are part of my energy field.
00:54:49
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And that when I'm in any environment where people are open, that they get disseminated. Now, I questioned that because I thought maybe Mary's getting to get a bit carried away here.
00:55:00
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um So I basically said, ah you're going to have to prove that one to me. And I was in a an expo on a panel and i was sitting there quietly and a lady in the audience stood up and said, Mary, you're sitting there and you're not saying anything, but you're beaming out all these frequencies and we're to the audience.
00:55:21
Speaker
And that was within a week of being this sense that that's what happens. You're going have to tell me something. Show me. And they did. They did. So, because I, you know, if I do get a sense of something, I say, well, you know, going to have to prove that one to me because I, you know, I'm very careful not to get carried away.
00:55:40
Speaker
um But it always happens. and it and And then I realized that everyone that's got those frequencies from their experiences and and what have you is doing the same thing.
00:55:51
Speaker
We're all acting acting like um antennas. with what we So everyone that's going having different experiences than what have you as an antenna that is embodying the frequencies that is available to those around them that are ready to be activated.
00:56:08
Speaker
So I believe that's how it happens. a bit like the 100th monkey kind of thing. Yeah. So is that always happening then? Like you're just, you're carrying that with you and then in your interactions with everybody that you come across.
00:56:21
Speaker
Well, it's logical if you think about it. Because we're all our energy systems. We're all frequencies. Yeah. And all different, you know because I kept saying I've got pages and page hundreds of pages of scripts.
00:56:34
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um I've listened hundreds of light languages and what have you. And it seemed I can only convey minuscule amount of that information in a presentation. And I know that activates people because I've seen it happen where I've.
00:56:48
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shown something and then somebody in the audience starts writing a script or something. A nurse showed me what she'd done after I'd just shown her one particular script and and and played a bit of language.
00:56:58
Speaker
She came up to me afterwards and said, as soon as I saw that, I started doing the script. So i know. So it was that instant. So I kept saying, you know, all this stuff, all this data, I you know i can't possibly show all of this in my presentation. It's too much.
00:57:13
Speaker
Yeah. And it was like, doesn't matter. Once you've seen it, it's in your energy field.
00:57:20
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Jacqueline was describing to me ah she she does the art with the light language. And you write about this in your book, is Synesthesia.
00:57:33
Speaker
Oh, synesthesia is another part of this that I think we are all, because it's supposed to be an aberration. It's supposed to be a dysfunction. Well, I don't believe it is. Yeah, i agree. It's actually how we ultimately will see reality or experience reality in a multidimensional way. It will be ah sensing, a feeling, a knowing.
00:57:53
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It will be in frequency. It will be ah whole experience. Yeah, so with synesthesia, you get you're you're looking at one thing, but it's you're seeing something else paired with it. that's you get You get the whole thing. You don't just get, the say, that the number seven.
00:58:12
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You will get a feeling with number seven. You'll get a color with number seven. You will get um a um ah multidimensional kind of holistic energy with number seven. It will be everything in that number seven.
00:58:30
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um yeah and you know And that's what I believe is happening with many of those new upgrade children and why they struggle, because they don't see it in such a limited way as we do. We just see the seven.
00:58:42
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that's They're getting a feeling from it. They're getting a knowing from it. I remember this seven-year-old talking about when her mum talks, colours come out of her mouth because each word is a different frequency and what have you and she's seeing different colours and what have you.
00:58:57
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these ah These children, they don't know it's not normal. Right. The problem is that they're experiencing this and they think everybody else is. So when somebody says, well, what you know well there's something wrong then, you must be you there must be something wrong with you.
00:59:13
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and And this is why when a mother or a parent writes to me about their children having certain experiences, I send them a questionnaire for children because so there are things in that questionnaire the parent doesn't even think to ask.
00:59:27
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And they they come back to me and say, i didn't realize my child was doing this. I didn't realize my child could see this or they were feeling this or were picking up my thoughts on this or whatever. Because the child is just, thought oh, this is normal. Everybody experiences this.
00:59:41
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No, they don't. And so that once the parent understands how the child operates, they can be a lot more useful and helpful in facilitating that. So the child doesn't shut down because many of them do because they suddenly realize, well, maybe there's something wrong with me.
00:59:59
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yeah and i you know i hope i know that there's parents ah of you know blood or children watching this show and i really did want to convey hope and you know how they might be able to connect with their children perhaps in a a new way ah to bring out that creativity and innovation and you know that's one of the the other parts of your book you know that talks about just how they think and how they create and just how unique it is and and special.
01:00:31
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Well, this is the reality. The realities we are evolving as a species, our consciousness is being activated. And I believe this is all to do with the dormant DNA, where we've been limited up to you know the present generations. And I think there's been a and concerted effort by those intelligences to wake us up because of where we're at in terms of technology. and And we've got to start understanding the dangers of how we use this technology. It's it's almost like we've got a three-year-old with a loaded gun that doesn't realise it can kill.
01:01:05
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And they're saying, we've got to now... um upgrade the consciousness of humanity in general to realize the potentials of what they're actually now doing in terms of everything to do with technology, AI and whatever, because otherwise they're going to, you know, we're going to destroy ourselves.
01:01:24
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So a lot of these new energies, these new children coming in are coming in with abilities to assist that. And that's why I say in many ways, they'll be teaching us rather than us teaching them. It's going to be a reversal of roles, I think, where they're going to say, this is this is how we see it. This is what you need to understand when you do this or when you do that.
01:01:45
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and And understanding that everything is conscious, the trees, the plants. um And I remember this six-year-old explaining to his mum as he was holding a meteorite and saying he was communicating with the meteorite.
01:02:00
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And she's saying... um And he's saying, oh, the meteorite's telling me where it landed and what it felt and all the rest of it. and she's saying, how how does the meteorite communicate with you? He said, oh, it's in my mind. It tells me in my mind.
01:02:13
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So where do you go with that? Yeah. It's like, so everything, and in a way, and I don't know how many of those of your audience understand psychometry or whatever, but in psychometry, where you're holding an object that belongs to somebody,
01:02:34
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that's, you know, um perhaps worn it around their neck or on their wrist or bracelet or whatever. And when you hold it, it has information if you allow it to give it to you. To try and and just see what comes into your mind as you hold it, you can get information. I've i've done it many, many times.
01:02:52
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I've done it too, and it blew me away the first time I tried it and because I was terrified and was embarrassed I was going to say something silly, and then I got it correct. Wow.
01:03:03
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And, um, I, I, you know, it, you hear about things, but when you experience it it becomes a whole new thing. For me, I had to do that. I'm coming from a religious background where I was told what to believe. I had to prove things to myself, doubly blind, you know, to make, wasn't conning myself into believing something that wasn't true.
01:03:24
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So I was doubly skeptical. And the experience, it's, it's quite amazing the information that can come in just by holding something. So everything is, is, has a consciousness to it.
01:03:37
Speaker
It's just a different frequency. And so when you align with that, then you can actually tap into that as well. And that it always amazes me when somebody's never done it before to suddenly find themselves as you did.
01:03:51
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information just coming in and you're thinking, oh my goodness, where did where did that come from? And it's sort of like, it's a lot of fun. it's you know i say to people, you know just try it, you know just see what you you get from it.
01:04:05
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We just don't realize our potential in terms of what we can do. And we're these new human children coming in are showing these amazing abilities.
01:04:16
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And, not you know, and to me, that's what's so heartening because I, you know, when people say the world's in chaos, um look what's happening. I say, well, I believe these kids that are coming in haven't come in for a waste of time.
01:04:30
Speaker
They've come in because they can, they know they can make a difference. No, I mean, it, it, it feels like to me that they're tipping the scales. Yeah.
01:04:41
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You know, it to our benefit. Yeah. And many of them are telepathic, so you can't con them. You can't give them, you know, the propaganda because they know the truth.
01:04:53
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they They know right away whether or not you're you're on a truth frequency or not. So a lot of this propaganda that's going out there, one of the big things for me, James, in my work that I do is supporting people to trust their own resonance,
01:05:11
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to trust their own truth because there is so much out there now, so much information that is confusing. Some of it's accurate, some of it's not. What do you believe at the end of the day? And I said, well, the only thing you can believe really is your own resonance to truth and the integrity of it because, we you know, that's all we've got at the end the day.
01:05:32
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Yeah, I mean, we are... I mean, even, you know, today in the last 24 hours, you know, Wikigate, you know, there's a concerted effort to scrub or distort things on the Internet about certain people who, you know, have shared certain things about, you know, our history and our past, you know, that tie into the UFOs, among other things and political figures and things like that.
01:05:59
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um you really do have to to do your own sort of research and pay attention and trust yourself when you go through these things and know what's going on around you. I think that's particularly important when you start tuning in and and getting that sense and that feeling and that knowing.
01:06:17
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One of the things that I always feel is a kind of a buzz or a resonance. It's like, oh, that's true. You know, you get that kind that kind of feeling or that kind of just knowing that this just feels right.
01:06:31
Speaker
and and trusting that part of yourself that is accessing the truth frequency and whatever. Because ultimately, people can have as many credentials as they like. They can be coming from whatever position you like.
01:06:43
Speaker
But part of it may be that they they will be saying what they think is a truth. And some of it may be and some of it may not. It might be a mix of both. So at the end of the day, that resonance is is literally what the only thing we can...
01:06:58
Speaker
we can rely on in ourselves but it means you can't take responsibility but you've got to take responsibility for that and you can't blame somebody else oh well that's somebody else so it's their fault that i got it wrong you know yeah it doesn't work no that not that victim consciousness you have to take accountability for yourself exactly right yeah what um There's so much to talk about with you. what What are your experiences that you've had you know with UFOs? Have you seen UFOs? Have you had experiences?
01:07:33
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I've seen them. I've got no conscious memory of ever being on a craft as such, even though a few people have told me they see me up there. So um if I have, I've got, for some reason, no conscious memory of that.
01:07:45
Speaker
I had a very interesting experience once when I went to... um to ah Mexico to um look at the, to see if I could, I'm just trying to think of the name of the place now i'm um in Mexico where Carlos Diaz saw the light ships. I don't know if you're aware of Carlos Diaz in the in um in his ah In Mexico, he took some amazing pictures of light ships and he was taken up on board them.
01:08:16
Speaker
And I went with a group to that particular, where where his hometown is in Mexico. And this is the only time I would say it was very, very obvious something happened.
01:08:27
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I was with ah a couple of researchers and a filmmaker, a documentary maker. And we were, it was about nine nine o'clock at night in a field where they these photos had been taken by Colosteus.
01:08:42
Speaker
And ah again, pitch black. And we we did a little meditation and the filmmaker was filming the whole thing. And there's only seven of us. And we did this meditation and we're standing very quietly And in the meditation, which wasn't very long, I got really annoyed because this bright light was coming right down in the middle of us.
01:09:05
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And I'm thinking it's the filmmaker lighting up his field so he can film us. So I'm going, bloody filmmaker, you know, we should buzz off and let us just do the meditation. i'm so So I'm getting quite irritated by it, you know.
01:09:20
Speaker
And then we come out of it. And then I look to where the filmmaker is and he's at the other end of the field. And he's saying, i had to leave. And I said, why? And he said, because this strange fog went over the top of you all and it scared the living shit out of me. he said do like said, I just bailed.
01:09:42
Speaker
And it was me and two others that saw the light, but nobody else. Wow. And all I can say is something went on, but it wasn't him with the light. Cause I remember getting really pissed off that, you know, dealing with our, our meditation what have you.
01:09:58
Speaker
Wow. ands so interesting That was interesting because of his reaction and the fact that, you know, something obviously happened. yeah Yeah. You know, but I've seen lots of craft where I i live now. I'm high up.
01:10:11
Speaker
I've often seen craft um apps, you know, in fact, on Google maps, that was done a few years ago, somebody noticed that when they looked at my house, there was a craft yeah in Google Maps. I think it was a triangular of craft or something. And said, Mary, you do realize there's a UFO just just above your house in Google Maps, don't you?
01:10:32
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I had no idea. Oh my gosh. That's interesting.
01:10:40
Speaker
Yeah, they're probably, were i mean, I would imagine you're, you're connected to all of this, you know, with all of the, mean, you've worked with thousands and thousands of people, you know, just that connection with everything, ah you know, is is strong with you, I would imagine.
01:10:58
Speaker
One of the things that has helped me understand the multidimensional side, James, and I've not talked to ah lot about it because I don't want to focus on that, but I needed to be aware of how it worked, how you operate multidimensionally.
01:11:13
Speaker
So I joined a group for three years and learned how to work that way. So we did everything from energy healing to you name it really, like psychometry and all that kind of stuff, which helped me understand the the different way we operate in our consciousness to be absolutely clear.
01:11:32
Speaker
This is what this is. This is what this is. And to you know understand the energetic connections of intelligence and how it works with your clairvoyance, your clairaudience, your clairsentience.
01:11:43
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And that was really important for me because I needed proof that it was tangible, it was real, it was repeatable. um And all of those things I proved to myself over those three years.
01:11:56
Speaker
What was valuable for me was by actually knowing how that all worked when people come to me with their experiences. You know, many are ah having orbs where they're communicating with orbs or they're seeing beings or they're getting downloads of information.
01:12:12
Speaker
it's really useful to help them with their understanding of how they operate because of how I've worked it out for myself. Yes. And of course, I'll be honest with you, i get insights that help me help them.
01:12:27
Speaker
So um I can tap into that because I know how it works now, you know. um And it's not something I, you know, talk about a lot um other than to say, I needed to know how it worked because that way I can be more useful to those that ah I'll say, okay, so how do you feel that energy?
01:12:45
Speaker
Do you feel there's a connection? Do you know the source of that interaction um and and helping them get tools to be more useful? um confident of how that that operates with them. How do they operate with that consciousness, that multidimensional consciousness has been really valuable because of my own three years of training, because of of what we did. you know, we did the gamut, really. I'd say from remote healing to the whole lot.
01:13:13
Speaker
Yeah. All the weird and wonderful stuff. Let's put it like that. So I've, got you know, but it's, it was invaluable because it actually showed me, I worked it out. if If you can work out something like that, how, how does it actually, how do you feel and sense it and know it and how can you prove it?
01:13:32
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Cause proving it was really important to me. Yes. I get information now prove it. I think that's it. Yeah. You, you develop that rapport and that trust.
01:13:44
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Because I would need to be i'd need to have it proved to me. It wasn't enough that I would intuit information. Right, now show me that it's it's it's um verifiable or whatever. And it may be just one of these energetic thrusts, and you know, where you get did the hairs stand up and it just you get the resonance.
01:14:02
Speaker
Or I might just look down at the clock and it's 11-11. Or I might just look at a book and it's got a certain title because that that's the different ways they show you that it's got integrity. well it's the way they show me anyway, that it's got integrity.
01:14:16
Speaker
Yeah. you know ah You know, synchronicity or, but it's, it's passing the message like this. Confirm it. confirm it Yeah. And the other thing with that, James, is it makes sense to the other person.
01:14:28
Speaker
So when you, if I say that, is it going to make sense to that person? And if it didn't, I would be telling them to take a hike. yeah well you They know that. So it's like, we're going to be right with Mary or Mary's not going talk to us anymore.
01:14:43
Speaker
So. Do you know like who or what it is? like is it your like what do you It's a combination. Okay. um yeah my I believe part part of it is my super conscious higher self.
01:14:56
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And then there are other intelligences, one I call my gatekeeper, um which is always there, but also ah spiritual team that come and go depending on what I'm learning and they'll show themselves to me, but it's never physical. it's It's like a ah like a ah screen to one side of me, images will come up and they will show me things on there and whatever.
01:15:20
Speaker
And I can open that up and they can show me a past life. or they can show me something that's relevant to the other person that I need to mention. And it's always accurate, always resonates with the person.
01:15:32
Speaker
So it depends on what I really need to know. yeah And I believe it's an aspect of, but probably it's all an aspect of me on one level. Communicating with their team, with their higher consciousness. So I see it as a, because I'll be showing what's with them, who's with them. this triage thing.
01:15:51
Speaker
um Yeah, exactly. It's a triage. And a be I can be shown what who's with them. I don't say anything to them, but I'll be shown who is with them. And then I'll be guided to the questions that ask that are going to be the most useful.
01:16:05
Speaker
So when they're in trance... I'll say, okay, is there any other questions that I need to ask that are going to be helpful for this individual? And I'll say, yeah, you asked this one or you asked that one because that will lead them into more understanding. So when I'm taking somebody in regression hypnosis on board craft and I'm saying, is there anything they need to be aware of?
01:16:25
Speaker
They may say something to the right is really important for them. So I'll say to them, I want you to look all the way around the room, particularly to the right. What are you seeing? So that I'm guided to guide them.
01:16:37
Speaker
to get the most out of that experience. That's wonderful. Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing that. That's very helpful to hear. Well, you know, it's not something ah I promoted or talked about for a long, long time because I, you know, it's very important ah for me that I'm seen as working along certain lines, but I'm, I'm fed up of pretending to go tell half the story when if people are having these experiences, the one thing they need to know is that do you understand my experiences or do you just think I'm weird?
01:17:15
Speaker
soon as they realize I'm just as weird, then that's okay. Then they can, that just all comes out. Then they open up and say, well, I'm actually talking to my guardian angel here and I'm talking to the fairies here and I'm talking to the truth and I'm saying, right, I understand.
01:17:28
Speaker
Yeah. And then we can work from that honest baseline because they know I do. You know, yeah, no, that's, uh, that is as authentic as it gets. And, uh, you know, I appreciate that. That means a lot to, to hear and for people to, you know, that are going to listen to this. Um, you know, I just think that that's very valuable to know that, that people are having these experiences, um, have impeccable, you know, integrity and credentials and, uh, you know, that they're not alone.
01:18:04
Speaker
I've got at least 12 medical doctors that are having incredible astral travelling, out-of-body experiences, interactions with beings and whatever, professors. You know, it it's right across the board.
01:18:18
Speaker
But again, because of society and the judgment and the lack of understanding and the limits to what is acceptable as a psychological process, They um can't come out and actually say, well, this is my experience. whatever One of the first questions anyone who's ah mentally unwell is, that are you hearing voices?
01:18:38
Speaker
That's the first thing they're going to be asking them. Well, there's an inner voice we all have anyway. yeah what Yeah. But is it separate to that? Yes. And it can be extremely helpful.
01:18:49
Speaker
It could be granddad that's passed on. It could be grandma. and and Why not? I've met many, many um individuals say, I always saw when grandma died, I always saw and she'd come and see me and talk to me at night and what have you.
01:19:03
Speaker
course you know if you've got the ability to see that frequency i don't see that way i i will get it in my third eye um and i i'm not sure how much longer we've got but i will say this to you i had an experience that made it very tangible and real to me and it was only my third my third week in this group and i was in a group with two of them were psychology clinical psychologists by the way so if i was going around the bend i was going around the bend in good company Yeah, for sure.
01:19:32
Speaker
You know, and it was the psychometry that did it. I was literally still very new to all of this. I thought that only really psychic people could do it. And I was just going to be an observer.
01:19:45
Speaker
That's how I saw myself to start with. We were around the table and I was and my teacher said, we're going to do psychometry. And I was offered a necklace from the lady opposite.
01:19:57
Speaker
And she said, the teacher said, just say whatever comes into your mind. You know what I'm talking about. And I thought, I suppose I can do that. I mean, nobody's going to if it's right or wrong because it's in my mind.
01:20:08
Speaker
So, you know, this performance anxiety that you get when, you know, am I going to be able to do this or not, you know, am going just look an idiot, you know, as well. And this was profound for me because they came around to me and I'm really nervous.
01:20:23
Speaker
And I'm holding this necklace. And in my mind's eye, I'm seeing a wedding. So I start to say, I'm seeing a wedding. and I believed it was the lady opposite's wedding.
01:20:34
Speaker
You know, she was an older lady. My consciousness seemed to shift to one side. And out of my mouth, talking to her, was this spirit saying, you know, I've never left you. I'll always be with you.
01:20:48
Speaker
I'm over here, having not a clue what's going on. My voice is talking or the the spirit is talking to his wife he had passed on. I'm hearing my teacher say, don't touch her. I'm hearing someone else her saying, talk to him then, talk to him.
01:21:05
Speaker
I'm over here thinking, what the hell's going on? Because I felt that i'm ah I'm out of my body just to one side. And there's a conversation. I've got no input in it whatsoever. And then all of a sudden, I'm back in my body again. And I remember my my teacher saying, have you done this before? And I went, oh my God.
01:21:26
Speaker
Oh, I would have like, what just happened? What just happened? And, you know, she explained it, you know, it's overshadowing. I had no idea what overshadowing was. I had no experience of that.
01:21:37
Speaker
But what it did, James, more than anything, was absolutely solidify the fact, to me, this wasn't a makeup thing. This wasn't me... somehow creating it.
01:21:48
Speaker
I didn't even know what it was that had happened until it happened. I mean, it happened, it's happened occasionally on other times, you know, in in different ways and whatever, where I literally feel my consciousness move to one side and even my face can change and the language is different.
01:22:05
Speaker
So it's it's an overshadowing of a particular intelligence or whatever. doesn't happen all the time. Mostly I do the telephone link, you know, whatever. But it was profound in the sense it proved to me something very, very important, that this was real.
01:22:19
Speaker
Yeah. this You know, this wasn't me making it up or whatever. And there were lots of other ways I tested myself. But it's very important for me to have the integrity of I'm not, you know, I'm not just imagining all of this.
01:22:31
Speaker
This had to be real. And they made sure it was real because it was the sketchbook. I remember going next the next week and walking into the room and saying, none of that overshadowing stuff.
01:22:42
Speaker
I just want the telephone link, if you don't mind. was giving them instructions. No, I'm not. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I had ah similar yeah type experience, but with the psychometry where I was put on the spot, I was very embarrassed.
Vision of Alien and Intuition
01:23:02
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I was holding an object and, ah you know, don't, don't think, just say what comes to your mind. And i was getting a grandparent had gifted this, what I didn't even really know what the object was. I could just feel it.
01:23:18
Speaker
um It was like some kind of ah like almost like metallic object. And then i got the image in my head of a dancing alien.
01:23:29
Speaker
And I was so embarrassed to say this out loud. And I was like, i I see a dancing alien. I have no idea what this means. This is like the funniest thing. It's just making me laugh.
01:23:41
Speaker
And the story goes is that the grant, there was a, ah this woman's grandfather had gifted after he passed, you know, he she received these objects.
01:23:52
Speaker
And part of the lore of this object was that it was from out of this world that they had had this relationship with these people from Arcturus that had passed on this object. And,
01:24:08
Speaker
and and And so I heard at the time, i was embarrassed to say what I said. And I heard in the audience, like, you know, of this group that I was in, that's spot on.
01:24:20
Speaker
And I'm like, I'd never done anything like this. You know, you couldn't have convinced me that I was going to get this right. And then it was just like, okay, wow, there's something to this. there This object is containing energy and I was able to tap into it. And I don't consider myself to have any you know type of special gift, but I'm just telling what I'm seeing right now.
01:24:40
Speaker
And it's, it it's, that's when it's really compelling, isn't it? Because know that there's no way you can create that. There's no way you can possibly imagine to say that.
01:24:53
Speaker
No, ah you said it best, you know, like in a million years, yeah i would never have come up with that. Yeah. Ever. I would have been so embarrassed. Oh, look, I've been there with it.
01:25:06
Speaker
I think for me, the three years that I did the training was to satisfy myself that there was something, this was real. This is very tangible.
01:25:18
Speaker
and And what it did do more than anything, James, is show me that everyone can do this. This is not unique to only a few people. We all have this capacity.
01:25:29
Speaker
It's shut down mostly through programming, through beliefs, different cultures or whatever that say it's not okay. So we we minimize our acceptance of it, our intuition, our knowing, our sensing, our feeling, all those things we half listen to but half not because, oh, it's a little bit too weird, isn't it?
01:25:49
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And it's that shuts us down.
Art, Cosmic Experiences, and Closing Thoughts
01:25:53
Speaker
Mary, I have been dying to ask you this question. You have a wonderful piece of artwork behind you. what is that?
01:26:02
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Well, that was given to me by a dear friend who'd come across it and said, that's the Mary. and it's an unknown artist. I think it's 1989.
01:26:14
Speaker
But what I will tell you is there have been number of experiences. One was an eight-year-old boy that told me he'd been down one of those pathways that the planet he passed, he said, was actually bigger than the one in the picture.
01:26:26
Speaker
And he goes to other galaxies. So it's like a dimensional portal or whatever. Wow. It almost looks like something Ingo Swann has, I've seen some of his paintings, just that that multidimensional.
01:26:44
Speaker
Yeah, this is metallic. Oh my gosh. Wow. That's fascinating. Yeah, I can actually send send you a a closer look at it if you like.
01:26:55
Speaker
But it was given to me. Yeah. It's beautiful. Oh, well, yeah. it's And it's interesting how many experiences have had connected to it when they've seen it. There's like, I've seen that.
01:27:08
Speaker
I've seen that. There's something about it. So I think, you know, nothing nothing's an accident, is it? No, not at all. Not at all. i so I've stopped doubting that.
01:27:23
Speaker
And that's what's so exciting is, ok so show me what's the next thing, you know, show me what else, you know, where are we going with all of this and whatever. Yeah. And i I think what's really important is now is the the growing acceptance, James, of of much of this, ah you know, in mainstream, it's starting to really open up and people are starting to feel safe enough to talk about it and what have you. And I think that's really wonderful.
01:27:53
Speaker
Yeah, i totally agree. And, ah you know, what i Mary, would you like to leave our audience with one last sort of inspiring message?
01:28:06
Speaker
If it's anything I'd like to say to everyone that's listening to this, speak your truth.
01:28:16
Speaker
Be yourself. Be your ah authentic self, because that's what is going to change the world. Because anything anything less than that is you're playing a program that will no never make any difference.
01:28:30
Speaker
It's only with your uniqueness are we going to actually make a difference to this planet and awake it up. So do that for not only yourself, but your family, for your children and your grandchildren and for the future of humanity.
01:28:45
Speaker
Thank you for that. That's so a wonderful last message and and one that we'll all benefit from.
01:28:52
Speaker
well its very Yes, thank you so much. It means a lot that you were willing to come on here and share your experience. It was was truly wonderful. Thank you.
01:29:04
Speaker
Well, I'm, but you know, I'm very grateful for individuals like yourself that are putting themselves out there to facilitate this information, to give the audience a chance to be exposed to more and more of what's going on.
01:29:19
Speaker
So, i you know, your your work is really invaluable, James. So thank you for all you do as well. Well, I will be sharing your, you know, your website, your message, telling people about your books and, you know, anything I can do to help you if you're coming over to the States or promoting anything, I'd be happy to help.
01:29:40
Speaker
Thank you, James. It's been an absolute pleasure. All right, Mary. Take care. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in today and being with us. May you find joy, flow, and adventure on your journey.
01:29:52
Speaker
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