Transcript
Alexis: All right, so we're approaching fall, but we're not there yet. But my question for you today is what smell is like something that's bringing you like some some joy right now?
atack2010: The weather is variable.
Alexis: Like.
Jessica : Hmm.
atack2010: I'm going to say it's not cabbage, which we talked about a little bit on our last episode.
Jessica : Yeah, not cabbage.
atack2010: at the the not not Not rotting cabbage.
Alexis: Well, that's good, that's that's a positive.
atack2010: No, no.
Brett: Well, properly fermenting cabbage though, because I just pulled out, uh, we just pulled out our big batch of sauerkraut that I've let, I let rock and roll for a little while.
atack2010: Yeah. um bo that's That's not bad.
Alexis: on
atack2010: Yeah, that's good.
Brett: It's oh man.
atack2010: Yeah.
Brett: Oh man.
atack2010: Good stuff.
Brett: That's, that's a good smell. It doesn't, I mean, it's just, it's it's a different thing, but are you, are you asking for like this time of year associated sort of thing?
Jessica : Or just, yeah, smell in general.
Alexis: yeah Yeah, well, uh, you know, pick your poison, so
atack2010: ah It's tough in zone 7 because we're I mean I know people are still producing the weather maybe 70 degrees it may be 90 here in Kentucky. It varies but I don't know it seems like I smell kind of a woodsy leafy falling kind of smell even though leaves aren't falling yet. I start to smell like a dry crunchy smell.
atack2010: I do. ah Maybe it's my wishful thinking leading into PSL season, or if you're uninitiated, smells dry and crunchy.
Alexis: I start to smell sounds.
Brett: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Jessica : smell a leaf.
Brett: Smells, smells dry and crunchy.
atack2010: unlike I'm not talking about granola.
Jessica : Cereal.
atack2010: Come on.
Brett: Oh, but I'm, I'm, can you, can you give me more?
atack2010: Yeah. It's hot. and me let me Let me quantify.
Brett: Those are both, those are both textures.
atack2010: Yeah, I know.
Alexis: Those are not smells.
atack2010: But in my mind, there's a translator that one translates. and Sometimes I smell colors. It's fine.
Brett: Yeah. and You're a synesthete.
atack2010: It's fine.
Alexis: Yeah.
Brett: Okay.
atack2010: Yes, I have a translator in my head.
Alexis: Ooh.
Brett: Like Jimi Hendrix of fall.
atack2010: but
Jessica : no
atack2010: I guess you know we've dog days have happened. It's been hot and it's been dry. starting to say It's like the peak of growing. You hit this solar peak and start down the other side and there's more decay and more brown leafy material.
Jessica : Whoa.
atack2010: and It's got a certain smell in the garden or the woods.
Brett: Mmm.
atack2010: I'm thinking of the woods, but it's the foliage.
Brett: Mmm. Uh -huh.
Jessica : We'll be at the woods over the garden. Garden's like rotten tomatoes at this point.
atack2010: No, the but yeah, on commercial fields, you do get a little bit of that potpourri, that undertone of rot. Yeah, that's a good point, though, Jasper. But yeah, in the woods, I'm thinking of you start to get that hot leaf litter smell.
atack2010: And that means fall to me. And and I'm looking forward to kind of the cooler temps and stuff, which are not here.
Alexis: humus you and smell of humus no no i don't don't want to smell humans
atack2010: Yes, not humans, but humus. A brief differentiation. But yeah, I mean, to me, that's that kind of this time of year, you may have these really hot days and I kind of associate that.
atack2010: Yeah, it's one of the things. Sure. Yeah.
Brett: I feel like I've smelled more more people around our neighborhood, uh, like cooking with wood or, or just having little bonfires in their backyard, or I don't know what exactly it is, but just like the smell of what would smell and like, uh, like, like lower, slower barbecue kind of vibe, um um, headed into fall.
atack2010: How about you?
atack2010: Oh, yeah. Wood smell.
Alexis: Oh, like campfire.
atack2010: Oh, nice.
Jessica : yeah
Brett: That's like a part of it for me that I just noticed that. Cause I was going to say overall, our August has been was relatively mild, I thought compared to what it could have been.
Alexis: Yeah, I would agree with that.
Jessica : I agree with that.
Brett: and compared Compared to the terrible June when it was like blazing hot and like the second week of June, we've had like a ah couple of multi -day stretches that were like very chill for for August.
atack2010: Yeah.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Brett: And so that that ah gave me, fault it gave a little false fall vibes.
atack2010: Yes.
atack2010: Just, yeah. I mean, I had the flannel halfway out and then I was like, nope, too soon.
Brett: And too soon.
Alexis: Better.
atack2010: Too soon.
Jessica : Nope, too soon.
Alexis: Better not.
atack2010: Too soon.
Brett: so So this will go to air. People will be hearing this on on September 1st. And, you know, I, I'm a, so I have a September birthday and so I always liked to, liked to believe that my birthday would be in the fall, but it was always a sweaty time still.
Brett: Can you all just do a quick check on when, when, when is it that we actually think about having some sort of a frost?
Jessica : Yeah.
Alexis: In central Kentucky, we usually say no early really no earlier than mid -October, but like lately it's been late October.
atack2010: mid -October.
Alexis: um
Jessica : I will say that it's usually pretty cold. It starts to get cold around the end of October and Halloween because of.
Alexis: yeah
atack2010: yeah
Alexis: yeah It's either 30 degrees or 85 degrees on Halloween.
Jessica : Yeah, yeah.
atack2010: I mean, I, I always want to buy Halloween hoodie cause I love, I mean, I enjoyed the Halloween season, but I never can commit to that because just as you said, Alexis, we've had these Halloween's it's 85, 90 degrees.
Alexis: There are no in -betweens.
atack2010: And then we've had Halloween's that are in the fifties.
Brett: oh My gosh For coal is this is this for cold or for like ah modesty I didn't know if you were asking me if my mom ever slut shamed me into wearing a coat over my
Jessica : Yeah.
atack2010: We've had snow on Halloween before.
Alexis: raise your hand if your mom made you cover your halloween costume with a jacket because everyone i'm
atack2010: Somebody's bitter. I feel the bitterness.
Jessica : Oh.
atack2010: Yes. That's an important differentiation there, Brett.
Alexis: not sure what that means you think about me brett but um no
Jessica : Oh.
atack2010: Totally modesty is yeah, totally, total modesty. Yeah.
Alexis: i was just saying it was snowing outside and mom was like you have to wear a jacket
atack2010: Cover up young child.
Brett: Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
atack2010: Oh yeah. Yeah. That's totally where we were going with her.
Brett: ah For me, it was because it was a little too risque.
atack2010: Yeah.
Brett: Like, easy there.
Alexis: Listen, mom did not have, yeah, you never know.
atack2010: It could be either cold or hot. Yeah.
Brett: Yeah.
Jessica : Yeah.
Alexis: That's true.
atack2010: and And that's why I can't commit to like the wardrobe.
Alexis: oh you put
atack2010: You do you cannot commit to a Halloween. Like Reed will commit to a full astronaut fleece lined outfit for Halloween.
Alexis: him Will You have to have two Halloween costumes.
atack2010: It turns out to be 90.
Brett: Oh.
atack2010: I'm like, you will perish inside of that son.
Brett: Yeah.
atack2010: You will perish.
Brett: He's simulating the coming back through the atmosphere and the hot
atack2010: Yes. The heat shields are down captain.
Alexis: ah
atack2010: They are way down. Yeah, exactly.
Jessica : My kids are just tractors. I just make tractor costumes every year out of the sniper boxes.
atack2010: Nice.
Brett: Oh.
Alexis: but Well, one of yours was going on the cob last year, right?
atack2010: Are they breathable?
Alexis: So.
Jessica : Yeah, one of them was an ear of corn last year. So we had a ah John Deere tractor with a bucket loader on it. Yes, I built a bucket loader out of cardboard people.
Alexis: It's very important.
Brett: Wow.
Jessica : um And then an ear of corn.
atack2010: superstar.
Jessica : And there's a great picture of Alexis with the ear of corn last year.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Jessica : So he was nice and toasty on Halloween.
Brett: Was there is.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Jessica : My other child was like freezing to death, but you know, he can't really cover up a cardboard tractor.
atack2010: It's hard, man.
Brett: Cold gold start.
atack2010: It's really hard. It's really hard. Yeah.
Alexis: You must sacrifice for your craft.
atack2010: I mean, it's difficult.
Brett: is the Does the brand loyalty of the tractors shift or is it pretty?
atack2010: Oh, now we're meddling.
Jessica : Well, we do not discriminate in tractor color inside of my house, right? We have them of all colors that you can easily step on.
Brett: I got you.
Jessica : um But he will pick a John Deere.
Brett: I you.
Jessica : He likes a John Deere bucket loader, is what he said. He actually saw Alexis's soda, as he called it, and he was impressed with her orange tractor.
Alexis: Yeah.
Alexis: yeah
Jessica : Yeah.
Brett: I like that.
Jessica : Not so impressed with her small bush hog.
Alexis: a walk behind tractor unfortunately but yeah yeah but i
atack2010: Your BCS didn't cut it.
Brett: That would be a very, very like niche kid that was like, I want to be a BCS for Halloween.
Jessica : Yeah. but
Brett: Oh, okay.
atack2010: Yeah, okay, that's oddly specific.
Alexis: bet joel from earth tools dressed his kid up as a bcs tractor i said that would be something joel from earth tools would address his kids up and
atack2010: Let's go with that. Yeah.
Brett: Who did?
Brett: Oh, yeah.
atack2010: You can just like give them handles coming out the back of the costume and they could be like a little hay, you know, baler.
Jessica : Yeah.
Alexis: Yeah. Yeah. And then that's kind of how you lead them around when they're young, right? Instead of a leash, you just have the little.
atack2010: Nice. You can steer them.
Jessica : There you go. I like that idea. Sounds good to me.
Alexis: and
atack2010: What was your smell, Jesbess? Was that the original question? what What smells do we associate with what?
Jessica : i
Brett: Oh, yeah.
Alexis: Yeah.
atack2010: The oncoming fall or what?
Alexis: Yeah.
atack2010: Yeah.
Alexis: I was just like, you know, what are your vibing on?
Brett: Is your vibe on right now?
Jessica : Well, like the same like as Ray mentioned, but I think like fall wise, I think like I don't know.
atack2010: Yeah. Yeah.
Jessica : It's still very much summer to me like I don't like.
atack2010: it's It's almost a hay smell season still. Like last cutting of Alpha Alpha smell.
Alexis: um
Jessica : Yeah, hey mom. We've been baking a lot, so we make a lot of cinnamon rolls at our house.
atack2010: Oh my goodness.
Jessica : So like that cinnamon roll you kind of smell from bread and stuff.
Brett: Oh, man.
atack2010: I'll be over there in 35 minutes or less. Yeah.
Alexis: On my way.
atack2010: On my way.
Jessica : But it's definitely that weather where you like wake up in the morning and you're like, oh, it's slightly chilly.
atack2010: Yeah.
Alexis: Do I need a jacket?
Jessica : I could wear this like sweater. And then by the end of the day, you're like, I'm dying.
atack2010: Yes, I'm dehydrated.
Jessica : It's stuck to you. right It's like too hot. to
Alexis: Yeah.
Jessica : Like ah you did it when you started school back, I feel like.
atack2010: Yeah, tough.
Brett: Yeah, I
Jessica : And then you'd be melting.
atack2010: Yeah, that, that is a big breaking point. If you've got kids as when, so and I didn't realize that that would be the case, but and there's other markers of time. But one of the markers of time for me now is when kids go back to school, it's not necessarily weather related, but it's a certain amount of freedom in certain cases.
atack2010: Um, I mean, schedules change.
Brett: No, no.
atack2010: I mean, it's just kind of crazy that that's just one of those cycle things, one of those little monuments that, that may or may not be in your life. and it just kind of marks things as well. And I was not prepared for that when that's the case now, because it seems like everything flows around school schedules, you know, so much.
atack2010: But that that can be interesting, just like farm schedules. and And you mentioned baking, Jessica. Is that a seasonal thing for you? You're a baker. I mean, you bake all the good things.
Jessica : Uh, I think, thank you.
Brett: You've been on the bike.
atack2010: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was going to say, we've got, I see you as a like the bread man, like bread is like, you know,
Jessica : Um, yeah.
atack2010: bread king, and many other things.
Alexis: Affirmantation guy.
atack2010: Yeah.
Jessica : Yeah. Um, I don't think it's really seasonal, but I think like there's some, like, I mean, there's some things that you make that you really only make around like the holidays, right? Or like, like, I know
atack2010: Is that what it is? Yeah.
Jessica : Like in the spring, like when there's strawberries and stuff, you're not really thinking about making like, I don't know, gingerbread cookies, you know, versus you're going to make like a strawberry pie or strawberry cake with all the fresh strawberries that are out there.
Alexis: Ginger Redman.
atack2010: Oh, yeah.
atack2010: I don't know, bread.
Brett: is is
atack2010: It seems like bread would go good with that any time of the year. I'm just saying, not that I'm encouraging you.
Alexis: Bread is always good.
Brett: Well, it's this interesting, there's this give and take with it, because when it's warm, the fermentation tends to be happier, but me heating up my house to bake it is not so happy.
Jessica : Bread and cheese.
atack2010: Oh, gotcha.
atack2010: Oh yeah.
Brett: And then when it gets colder, sometimes you got to kind of, I don't know, but ah i I tend, I first got into like bread baking in the summer, because and just because I, for whatever reason, did at that time.
Jessica : Right.
Brett: and It's pretty cool. And it is interesting to see like the culture, like if you're doing more of a wild fermented sourdough type culture, it does tend to do a little better in the warmer times of the year for one reason or another.
Brett: Um, even if you keep it in the same, at the same temperature, but, uh, I was going to ask Jessica, you said cinnamon rolls is cinnamon rolls, like a tipping point between summer and fall item in your old house.
Jessica : Oh no, cinnamon rolls all the time.
Alexis: yeah
Brett: Just twenty just a
Jessica : My kid thinks that. My kid is, yeah, he's kind of spoiled now with it because he doesn't realize, like, he'll be like, let's make cinnamon rolls.
atack2010: Tractors and cinnamon rolls.
Jessica : And I'm like, well, they take like, because I'm making them from scratch. And I guess I can, I don't have a can, but I like them now from scratch too, right?
Brett: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Brett: Oh, yeah.
Jessica : And so it's like, well, let's take six hours to make these cinnamon rolls.
atack2010: It takes 30 seconds to eat them.
Alexis: It's my absolute worst nightmare.
atack2010: It's like Thanksgiving dinner. Six hours to make, 30 seconds to eat them.
Alexis: like
Jessica : But you know, I do it, right? Because I like bread and cinnamon and sugar and all of the things.
Brett: Oh, yeah.
atack2010: Did you like them? Yeah.
atack2010: glazes.
Brett: um' I'm sold.
Jessica : And wait, butter, lots of butter.
atack2010: I mean, you need not to sell this anymore because it's already hard sold into my soul.
Brett: I'm sold.
Jessica : but
atack2010: so
Jessica : And they're maple they're maple cinnamon rolls. so We put pure maple syrup that we got from Vermont in there.
Brett: Oh, wow.
atack2010: um I miss making maple syrup. You said maple syrup. You know, that's one thing you used to make almost every year. And I, and that's one of those cyclical things. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Uh, process.
Brett: Yeah, yeah, we need to do it.
atack2010: but No, we have not.
Brett: have we not Have we done a maple syrup episode?
Alexis: No, we need to do one.
atack2010: And, uh,
Jessica : I would it be a good one.
Brett: We need to. Yeah, we need to do one, you know, the the maple typical maple season being that just after kind of after Christmas through, um you know, yeah, depending, depends.
atack2010: Yeah. Sapflow, yeah.
Jessica : And Shaker shaker Village is here in my county. like They tap all sorts of trees. like They're doing like walnuts, and and now I can't think of the other ones, but they're not maples that they're tapping.
Brett: Mm -hmm.
atack2010: Yeah, you can do other stuff, yeah.
Brett: Yeah.
Alexis: purchase and...
Brett: yeah
Jessica : And they're making all sorts of different kinds of syrup. So it's kind of cool.
atack2010: so many So many things in, you know, and that's a good question. We talk a lot about cycles and seasons, of course, on hort culture, but so much of what we do has this kind of seasonal rhythm to it. And so I don't know about you all, but I'm always fascinated by it because my mind my mind starts to switch gears at some point magically, ah you know, when the seasons start to change and kind of your flow and rhythm, even professionally, even the way we deliver educational programs and and the activities that we do day in and day out as ah extension agents and within the extension system, mind changes.
atack2010: So it's seasonality is a kind of a big deal to me still, even though I'm not an active producer anymore as far as production.
Alexis: Mm -hmm.
Brett: Yeah. In Kentucky, I always, I always had thought of like September is this magical month where you still have the summer produce and you start to have some of the fall produce.
Alexis: Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Brett: And so you can have like a lettuce salad with peppers and tomatoes in it all like off this. Oh man. It's just this weird confluence of crop timing.
Alexis: Yeah. It's like May.
atack2010: Is that what you call the shoulder season, Brad?
Alexis: It's like how May's spring and summer.
atack2010: I've heard you use that term.
Brett: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, head, shoulders, knees and toes season maybe.
atack2010: Yes.
Brett: ah
atack2010: You know, those fringe seasons that are like everything all at once.
Alexis: Cuffs.
Brett: Yeah, it's that transition period that is just, it's so awesome and yeah and it makes you understand why, you know, we've talked we've talked in previous episodes about like the county fair and harvest festivals and stuff like that.
atack2010: Yeah.
Brett: It makes you understand why in a time where localism and seasonality wasn't something that you sort of had to try to do, it was something that you just coped with. why people would be like, oh my gosh, September and October is the best time of year.
Alexis: Mmhmm.
Brett: There's more food than we know what to do with. We're trying to put stuff up and save it. We're gonna, oh man, let's celebrate. Yeah, it makes sense.
atack2010: Seems like so much in horticulture production, just agriculture production also in general, especially in horticulture. But we're trying to take the seasonality out of some of this production with protected ag, you know, where, you know, we have greenhouses and all this other technology to extend seasons and stuff. But still, seasonality is a real thing here in Kentucky. May not be where you're listening from ah in your geography, but I know it's still a big deal for me here in Kentucky, no matter how much we put into um you know, taking some of that out with even like a greenhouse.
atack2010: But yeah, seasonality is still a real thing.
Brett: what What was this time of year?
Jessica : Thank you.
Brett: ah What was some of the key, whatever, meanings or or associations during when when tobacco was like the thing?
atack2010: Oh, man.
Brett: you know This time of year feels like one of those periods where there might be something important happening.
atack2010: You're, yeah, no, don't go.
Jessica : They were, oh, you want to go for it? You grew it too.
atack2010: Yeah, that's a way this sparks. Yeah, close to home. But go ahead. Yes.
Jessica : Oh yeah. i was So I think I've mentioned that before that. I don't know if I did in my first episode, but I grew up growing tobacco too. My family did that. And there's actually, I think one of the only tobacco fields left in the county where I live that's right next door to my house. So it's kind of weird and my kids get to see it, but getting close to that time when they would start cutting.
Jessica : right, right, and start cutting and and housing tobacco.
atack2010: Yeah, yeah. And that was a huge process.
Jessica : And that was a huge process, a big family event, a big community event, right?
atack2010: All the uncles and aunts. Yes, absolutely.
Jessica : Neighbors, everyone helping um to do that, actually cut it out in the field, but then to like help put it up and house it up in those barns.
atack2010: Yeah, I just remember, like you said, a community event. We would have a lot of family members, plus a few people outside of the family. But there's, I would just remember like huge pots of soup beans and cornbread and fried potatoes being brought out to like the field under these big shade trees because it was during a hot time of the year, generally.
Jessica : yeah
atack2010: I mean, There's still these intermittent hot days when you're cutting, you come in tired for lunch, and all these people just sitting together eating is really cool memories of cutting tobacco. Now, at the time, I didn't think there was anything cool about it because it's very hard work.
atack2010: ah But yeah, remember I remember some good memories of those big meals we all ate together out, you know, right beside the field.
Alexis: Mmhmm.
atack2010: They, to save time, they just bring the stuff out to the field.
Jessica : Yeah.
atack2010: or in a to barn if you were really lucky and have a little bit of sun protection.
Jessica : Mm hmm.
atack2010: So yeah, good time of year. I'm busy when tobacco is cut. You're just always looking at the radar fanatically, hoping that it doesn't rain when you have cure on the tobacco. So you can get that up without sand on it.
atack2010: And this whole process that surrounded that. But that's one of those highly, highly seasonal things that was very weather dependent. that whole entire process. So yeah, so cool.
atack2010: When that was a bigger part of Kentucky agriculture, I mean, it still obviously is a big part of Kentucky agriculture, but fewer people are involved in that process now, but it's still here.
Jessica : yeah
atack2010: And I love, it's just, it brings back memories every time I go past a field of stick tobacco that's carrying out in the field and just seeing that I can smell that and I feel the gum and the nicotine kind of
Alexis: Mhmm.
Brett: Yeah.
atack2010: this residue, this resin you get on your hand from cutting tobacco for 12 hours a day, I can just feel that on my hands, I mean.
Jessica : Yeah. Yeah.
Jessica : So there you go, Alexis. That would be, if it was quite a few years ago, that could be the smell that, I guess, but so that would be that time.
atack2010: The smell of tobacco is very, yeah, it's very, even curing in the barn, but in the field when you're you're cutting it, yeah.
Alexis: Yeah.
Brett: Yeah.
Alexis: Mhmm.
Brett: Well, on a previous episode, we had talked about the the state fair and and that was one of the the smells of tobacco, of hay, of some of the, yeah, some of the, just the different like drying and, and and the you know, settling in agricultural products was one of, I remember the smell of the tobacco room in particular was just like, oh, it smells so, it smells I think it smells so good.
Jessica : What?
Alexis: Silage.
Brett: And um and so that's why i was I wanted to, for people who had had had that experience, I wanted to see what you all had to say about that this time of year.
Alexis: Yeah.
Jessica : something that I think about that's getting ready to start.
Alexis: So.
Jessica : All of them are getting ready to open. Some of them are already open. There are all of these um orchards and pumpkin farms and all of that.
Alexis: Hmm.
Jessica : I talked to one of my pumpkin growers this morning, um fortunately, about disease pressure potentially, but um because that gets really high right now for those pumpkin growers and it's go time for them, right?
Jessica : Nothing worse would be than to get a fungal disease right now before those pumpkins are mature. But, you know, he was saying, oh, we're going to be open mid September. Right.
Jessica : And so I think like really when those places open, that really like jump starts everyone's like fall is here, you know, attitude for sure when all those get going.
atack2010: Oh, definitely. When all the orchards and stuff start to have events, and I know that a lot of their cash flow comes from just a few weeks in the fall or pre -fall, just whenever they start to do things, but that's when it goes into overdrive. When the weather starts to cool down and I see my local, we're very lucky to have a several local orchards around that we can visit, but when I see that big sign, you know, or local advertisements, then it's on. It is on. ah For me and my, I mean, we start visiting, you know, taking our sign, and my wife, we all go out and kind of do all the orchard things, and it's big fun, yeah, for sure.
Brett: Do you all you all ever do pick your own?
atack2010: Yeah, as far as taking part in those activities,
Brett: Yeah. Do you you and you and the school and the fam ever go out and and pick your own everything?
atack2010: um
atack2010: Yeah, you but but now it's a kind of relative because I know the pumpkin patches every evening, most pumpkin patches get overran, the original pumpkins get picked and then you will go out and pick up a pumpkin that they have set there as far as pick your own.
Brett: Hmm.
Alexis: so
atack2010: But now I used to do a little bit more of that with a orchard that's no longer, it's transitioned into new ownership. We always enjoyed going to a certain orchard and picking like our own apples right off the tree.
atack2010: We love that.
Brett: Mm hmm.
Jessica : We do that, yeah.
atack2010: And you love it. Yeah.
Jessica : We go and get the apples from the orchards versus the pumpkins, which I think I may have shared before how my husband's kind of like the pumpkin fairy where he like he buys, I love pumpkins, but I'm not allowed to grow them because they as we've talked about before, they take up a lot of space.
atack2010: and
Brett: That's right. Too much space.
Jessica : um So he likes to buy a truckload and then shares them around with everybody. um
Alexis: I've never gotten any of those pumpkins, I'm just saying.
Jessica : Well, we'll have to make sure you're on his his stop, his lot on his way.
Alexis: I need a delivery beyond the delivery list.
Brett: Why don't you try?
Jessica : Yeah.
Brett: It could very well be that you're on the naughty list.
Jessica : Well, that's true.
Alexis: Well, I do give Jessica gourd plans, which like pumpkins take up a lot of space, so he might have put me on the the the do not.
Brett: Yeah.
Jessica : It's fine. I wish you had given me more to take over.
Alexis: Well, I'm glad you have some because um I semi on purpose, semi on purpose killed mine. so um
Jessica : one of them is like struggling that I have and it only has like one gigantic like gourd on on it and it's like this tiny little vine so I don't really know what's going on there but have just one big one yeah
Alexis: That's okay.
Alexis: It's doing its job. Yeah. I think for me, fall starts when I am starting seeds for fall, which is um just kind of coming from like a, like a grower perspective. um You know, we've got crops that are finishing up.
Alexis: In September they're you know usually going down from disease or something like that and then a lot of people have you know maybe a second succession if they're doing annual crops um of stuff that's maybe just starting to come in to fruition and I feel like fall is just as busy as spring for a lot of growers who are doing some type of annual production because it's that transition period again and so you're starting to flip beds you're putting down cover crop, you're you know putting in new crops, maybe you're starting seeds. so ah that you know It is temperature dependent to a point, but um you do kind of know generally when the frost is going to come. so Even if it's 90 degrees, you got to get those plants in the ground so they have enough time to kind of you know be chill before the first ah freeze comes. but
Brett: can Can you talk about the timeline of that?
Alexis: um
Brett: of like so we We have, I think, sounded the alarm at various times on this podcast to say, you know in July, in June even, be thinking about your fall garden.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Brett: Make sure you understand how long things are going to take.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Brett: If you're being outside, obviously some people have high tunnels or low tunnels or whatever else.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Brett: So what's your you know in your all's experience with growing stuff this time of year, what is your typical timeline? You said it starts when you start seeding stuff.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Brett: um but when Or you know you start thinking about it when you start seeding stuff. When is that?
Alexis: Um, for me with a lot of the cut flowers, um, I've either, I've got, my goal is to have plants in the ground around the beginning of October to mid -October that I'm going to overwinter, you know, with a little bit of protection, usually either outside or in you know a tunnel situation. So the same could be said.
Alexis: for, you know, lettuces or radishes or kales or things like that. So what that means, if I want them in the ground around, you know, by mid -October, I'm seeding them the for at least the first of September, if not earlier, you know, just kind of depends on what it is. um So seeding those into flats, if you're doing like a leaf lettuce or a radish, you could do, you know, you could be direct seeding those kind of um throughout September, really. A lot of those are super cold tolerant.
Alexis: But really thinking about, you know I'm trying to do a better job at cover cropping, building organic matter, not you know bringing in as many inputs from like a compost type standard, which I know a lot of people who are Growing or doing, or at least, at least a lot of the people I talk to are just because compost and those types of things are expensive. So, you know, ways to cut down on that. A lot of people are moving to cover cropping, even some of our, um, just home gardeners. And we've got an episode on that. So if you're unfamiliar, go find it. Um, but you know, that stuff needs to be in, in semi established before it gets too cold. And so.
Alexis: and central part of Kentucky. I've pushed it to like mid -October and towards far as the end of October depending on how warm it's been in the past um and it was okay.
Alexis: It did alright but I didn't quite have as much um above -ground growth to really protect that soil as I was wanting to so I'm really trying to make sure it's in by like October 1st this year which you know we'll see but there's still time to do that if you've not so from that perspective.
Jessica : Yeah.
Jessica : we excuse me We don't really end up growing a lot of fall produce. We always have the intentions to grow it. We're like, yeah, this is the year. And sometimes we've even seeded stuff. But I kind of mentioned to everyone earlier, is like we've, we're still like in full like tomato production right now.
Jessica : But thinking of one fall thing that we do that's have been a big investment for us and something that we were going to continue is doing plastic culture strawberries. And that's a crop that we had to place our order for those plants back in May.
Jessica : So when you're picking strawberries, that's when you have to place your order up to prepare for the fall because these things have to get in by the end of September.
Alexis: Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Alexis: Mm -hmm.
Jessica : And so there's going to be a whole block of time where we're going to be reworking that ground, getting soil tested, you know, fertilizer, laying plastic again, um all of that irrigation hookup to get those plants in for the fall to hopefully get a great crop of berries as early as, you know, mid April next year.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Jessica : um
Brett: so you're So you're, in that case, you're growing the strawberries like as an annual, essentially?
Jessica : Yeah. Yeah. So the strawberries, when they're grown on plastic culture, you tend to treat them as an annual crop. They end up having some disease issues if you keep them over. They won't be as productive. So, you know, normally when we do a matted row of strawberries, just plants regularly in the ground, you know, you break off those blooms the first year, you let those plants get established and your hopes to get that second year, you get a good crop of berries on them versus these plants that are already older plants that you're planting.
Jessica : um you're going to get big large berries the very first year. But there's a lot of maintenance you know that goes in with them watering them through the winter, fertilizing through the winter, covering them when temperatures hit a certain level. But that all starts actually like way back in May. If you want a chance of even getting some varieties that you may want, you've got to order them in May to get them planted in September.
Alexis: Yeah, it's the same for um like bulbs and stuff like that we talked about that before just like your tulips your daffodils you know you can find them and lows and stuff you know you'll be planting those in the fall, um pretty much any time before the ground freezes October through.
Alexis: December really I've planted in December peony roots kind of the same way but if you're wanting something really specific and not just whatever the box store has you're ordering those usually like at the latest when you're starting to pick them some of that stuff you're ordering even earlier which is always hectic but um but even if in like ordering plugs so I know a lot of people who are growing small scale like you know so whether they're considered commercial because they're selling stuff or even just kind of large home garden style, some people are ordering in their plugs. And like Jessica said, like even with strawberries, with flowers, you know, that stuff takes time to grow from that greenhouse grower. So you're going to have to order it early enough. Um, you know, for the annuals that I order and have delivered, it's like 16 weeks is the lead time.
Alexis: Um, for some of that stuff to get it so that it has, it comes to me the size that it can go in the ground. Uh, so that's also kind of a thought process, but I like want to reiterate if you can still do some stuff like except, you know, it's the first of September. If you're wanting to get some stuff in the ground, like rip those tomatoes out and put in some lettuce or some radish and just look at stuff that is.
Alexis: Cold tolerant and in Kentucky, you know, depending on where you are and kind of what your microclimates are You may be harvesting in this into December and if you can give it a little bit of protection um you You know, you might be harvesting later than that just kind of depending on what wild what wild week of weather we get coming in or no, but and then if you don't want to do it because
Jessica : Yeah.
Alexis: By September, by the end of August, usually a lot of us are exhausted and we're like, we're done and respect ah goes out to you there. um ah We've all been there. ah You know, do a soil test and just kind of get prepared for next year. so I encourage you to cover your soil. So whether that be with a cover crop or something living or just covering it with just like a piece of plastic to kind of prevent erosion, um that can be enough. you know just Just cover it with something is usually what we say. But now is a really great time to start putting down you know if you need lime or you need sulfur or you know you're low in magnesium or whatever that is. I'm doing a soil test now, which I just dropped mine off today.
Jessica : Just got it.
Alexis: um So doing one now to prep for your spring crops or early summer crops that you're going to put in is ah is a great thing to be doing. And then just kind of like doing some cleanup.
Jessica : Yeah, as Alexis also mentioned, like when you're done, you're done, right? So going hard all summer, taking care of those plants, keeping um you know going going to markets every single weekend.
Jessica : right And it's kind of like for us personally, when we make that decision of like, all right, we're not going to do our like weekly or every other week fungicide spray for these tomatoes that keeps them going.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Jessica : And it's amazing to see the difference of when you are on a fungicide spray schedule for some of these plants, when you stop how fast they go down.
Alexis: Yeah.
Jessica : And so that's kind of one of the things that's for us too. It's like, okay, how much much longer do we want to keep this up and really try to keep them going? Um, and then stopping that. And then how, how many, how many more Saturdays do we want to give to the market?
Alexis: yeah
Jessica : Oh wait, it's football season. We really want to go to football games now, right?
Alexis: right
Jessica : How many more times, but I think a lot of that goes into it is just like, okay,
Alexis: hey
Jessica : Because that's you know money, too, going into those sprays and all your time and everything.
Alexis: I like to tell people and doing this myself and seeing the change it's made of making some reflection on the season right after the season. so We usually talk about like winter is a good period, time for reflection. and you know That's not wrong. right like Absolutely, by all means, do some of that big thinking. but I think what has at least helped me a lot is you know, reflecting on the past couple months, you know, whatever you would call summer or spring or whatever, right after it happens, because it's like you're really feeling it. And maybe you go back again in December and like think about it more strategically. But um what do you feel like at the end of it? Do you feel great? Could you have done more? Or was this the perfect amount? And feeling that in the moment I think is really important.
Alexis: um And you know for me like doing that last year and how exhausted I was by like the first of August when I still had a whole fall season when falls are really big season for cut flowers you know I said this whole fall to go and it was like.
Alexis: just exhausting to even think about because I was so tired until one thing I did, you know I made note of that and I kind of semi took July off. I started a lot of crops later so that they weren't, you know didn't need a whole lot. I wasn't doing a ton of picking in July. I didn't have big events and that has made a huge difference in how I feel right now.
Alexis: um you know, going into September in a big busy season. And so I think making some immediate thoughts on how you feel at the end of each kind of quarter it can be really, really valuable. So just my thoughts on that.
Brett: Yeah, I think that the, you know, you mentioned how fall can be like spring as far as busyness and planning everything else. The difference is you're not coming off of a forced period of sitting inside the house sipping hot cocoa and chilling and looking at seed catalogs here.
Alexis: Yeah.
Brett: Oh, wow. Another you season of planning after I'm already exhausted from a season of working.
Alexis: Yeah.
Brett: um Just a couple of things just to follow up in case, in case anybody's not familiar, hasn't heard the soil testing and amending episode Alexis was mentioned and stuff like ah Sulfur and lime to be able to adjust the pH of your soil if your soil is one way or the other those things take time And so that's part of the reason why this is a good time to do that is you can get that down So that you it'll be ready for you in spring. um I Think the other thing too as far as crops go we have a whole episode on garlic and and garlic is something this time of year. Unfortunately, it's probably sold out in many places. I don't know. We were just talking about that a little bit before um for one of these episodes. and But I think you know this is this is the time of year where you're thinking about s starting to plant garlic that will then grow throughout the year and then be usually available the following July, you know somewhere in there. um That's another part of as far as the crops go. but ah so
Brett: can i Can I just go ahead in the last little bit of time we have here? Asked to be a little bit touchy -feely, like I said I would. of So you said you...
atack2010: We would be disappointed if you did not, Brad.
Brett: yeah you
Alexis: little bit
atack2010: You need to.
Brett: You did. No, you did.
atack2010: You need to.
Brett: And you opened up the door for me. So you have only yourself to thank for for that. But you said, you know, at the end of at this time of year, what are the things that you're thinking or feeling this time of year? and And so I'm curious right now, what is it that you are feeling as this this initial transition toward fall happens, whether that be horticulture and seasonality related or something else?
Brett: I'm just I'm curious.
Alexis: I started a little bit.
atack2010: so One of my smarty pants friends ah happened to mention two or three days ago, he ah he likes to throw darts at me. I think he said, you know, this is the last eight 30 cents that we're going to see until next May.
atack2010: And I was like, thanks for that, bro. um But that is something that, you know, makes me feel a certain way when you get off work at whatever time that is, let's say an average day, not a long day, but an average day you get home, you have a certain amount of daylight left.
Alexis: um
atack2010: And that's really special to me to do activities and ah have all the fun and do all the things. And that's getting shorter. And so I'm keenly aware of that.
Jessica : It is.
atack2010: I mean, that's a huge thing.
Alexis: Hehe,
atack2010: I mean, daylight and, um you know, if it's personal or if you were doing production, it's, it's always been a big thing ah to me, but that's what I'm feeling this time of year is that the days are getting shorter and that that impacts a lot of different things for me.
Alexis: um...
Jessica : I've noticed that too. The fall is a busy but relaxing time if that makes sense for us, for my family, because it's kind of like I get through county fair, I get through state fair, and then we have like one or two other big things at work. And then I'm off a lot because my I'm going to have a two year old in the end of September and then a four year old on Halloween.
Jessica : So, um, I ended up taking a lot of time off in September and October and we have, and it's kind of, you know, like I said, the garden is all wrapping up, right?
atack2010: Fun time.
Jessica : Like Alexis and I always joke about, um, I'll see you in the winter or I'll see you in the fall. Like if we ever want to hang out, right? Cause that's just how, our schedule so we're actually like where we don't ever do vacations like really in the spring or summer that's but a very foreign concept to me for like my whole life to be like vacation in the summer what right um we that tends to be more of our fall and so it kind of just like all leads in and the next thing i know it's like thanksgiving and christmas and a new year like it's all when i say it's all downhill it's not downhill in a bad way it's like just you know coasting into like
atack2010: The holidays.
Alexis: yeah
Brett: Yeah, like the best part of the bike ride when you get to the top of the hill and then like, okay, here we go.
Jessica : fun things. Right, yeah.
Alexis: Yeah. Here we go!
Jessica : And I love the summer months too, but just a lot of fun things to look forward to coming up.
atack2010: Seems like once the holidays hit, I mean, I know that's it's always been a time to gather for gathering for me and I love all the gathering things and events. I mean, that's ah that's a big switch over to um is the gathering.
atack2010: that I call it the holidays, D -A -Z, because I mean, it goes by so quick.
Alexis: motion
atack2010: It can, especially, ah you know, depending on if you're traveling, you know, for family or whatever, vacations or breaks or from production, whatever, but that that's a big change too, is the holidays tend to have an impact on all of those things.
Alexis: I'm starting to get amped again, because like I said, Mike, from a growing perspective, but even as like an agent, um, until the first freeze, you are going to keep getting calls because that you know all your, all these plants are going down in the home gardens.
Jessica : Mm hmm.
Alexis: Um, you know, people are, you know, again again, it's, if you're commercial, a lot of those people are doing the same stuff, kind of stuff they're doing in the spring. And so you're, you're where July.
Alexis: Actually, um at least in my experience, tended to be a little bit more quiet.
Brett: Thank you.
Alexis: Like you would think, you know, the heat of summer, everybody's got a garden. um It'd be a big deal. The plants are usually doing pretty well by that point in the season.
Alexis: You know, they're like really starting to take off. People are excited or they're away on vacation and they come back and it's fall in their home, you know, because they've got school and they're looking at their garden more and the plants are starting to decline because diseases come in, insects have come in,
Alexis: the cooler nights, stuff like that. so I think um from an extension perspective, it'll ramp up and then shut down. right like right As soon as freeze hits, it you're you're done from that perspective.
Jessica : Okay.
Alexis: and Then from a grower perspective, at least for winter growing, whether that's fruit, you know veggies or or flowers or whatever, Um, you know, we start to amp back up and you know, my brain doesn't shut off until like December 31st because, um, you know,
atack2010: Because it just doesn't.
Alexis: Yeah, well, um, yeah, joe January don't call like I'm tired, but, uh, for people who, you know, maybe are selling CSA shares or things like that, they're thinking of things for, um, you know, they're doing holiday markets or they're doing, um, you know, was prepping stuff for, um, marketing.
atack2010: Sorry.
Jessica : Thank you.
Alexis: Like there's a lot of marketing that happens in November and December, and then you tack on just like. family stuff. so like I'm starting to get amped, but also stressed.
atack2010: Yeah.
atack2010: No.
Alexis: Where I had that like kind of took a little bit of a break, i'm starting to I feel better this year than I would have this time last year. so
atack2010: And you said that break was like a strategic kind of thing, wasn't it?
Alexis: that's
Alexis: Yeah, yeah, that was like, uh, well in just like you, you looked at multiple things.
atack2010: To kind of see. Awesome. Awesome.
Alexis: It was like, you look at your sales, you look at how you feel, you know, and I think it, I think looking at the sales perspective made me feel better about wanting to do it anyways, if that makes sense.
Alexis: So I think a lot of the time we. you know As farmers, we're like, we got to take advantage of it. you You got to be constantly selling, constantly selling. And even though, sustainably speaking, maybe it would be better if you took that time because you you know you would do better in the fall ah when you're really needed. So looking at the numbers really backed up the feeling I was having. And so it made me feel better about that. um So that's why it's important to keep your numbers.
Brett: So you weren't you weren't losing as much juice as you were gaining from the squeeze or the lack of squeeze.
atack2010: Yeah.
Alexis: Right.
Brett: Yeah.
Alexis: Exactly. exactly so Feeling a little bit more refreshed to maybe do some more things during a more lucrative time of the year, um hopefully.
atack2010: you know
Alexis: I might not. I might just be like, whatever, I'm done.
atack2010: I'm done because I am. Yeah, exactly.
Alexis: I done because I am and that's what's going to keep you going. So listen to yourself a little bit. You know, like you got to grind sometimes, but there's also, you know, that's why we want farmers to keep farming.
Alexis: Right. So they've got to listen to themselves and and be supported by people um that it's OK to maybe, you know, quit a few weeks early. Like Jessica said, maybe you just stop spraying.
Jessica : Maybe we have to separate and we go to football games on Saturday.
Alexis: Yeah.
atack2010: Yes, let nature take its course and schedules take their course.
Alexis: Yeah, you've got to take care of you know your men mental and that I have learned the hard way.
atack2010: um
Jessica : We want to still love this, right? Like it doesn't need, I mean, there it's all chores, right? Chores. But at the same time, there's a reason why we keep doing it, right? You still want to enjoy what you do at the end of the day.
Alexis: so Yeah.
Alexis: Yeah.
Alexis: Yeah.
Jessica : not get burned out.
Brett: you think, do you think you yourself in like May would annoy yourself in August?
Jessica : yes Yes.
atack2010: Hmm.
Brett: You're like, what is wrong with you?
atack2010: Hmm.
Brett: Why are you, why are you committing to their ordering?
Alexis: I think, um yeah, it will be for me in September, me, our very different people.
atack2010: Did we not learn from last season?
Brett: Yeah.
Jessica : Right.
atack2010: Yeah.
Jessica : Oh, January, like January and February. And I'm like, oh my gosh, we should do this. We should add this product. Look at the C catalog. like I'm going to make all of these labels, let's you know all these marketing things.
Jessica : What has CCD offered that we can you know learn about and do?
Alexis: You go to all these conferences and you're like, that's such a great idea.
Jessica : and then you know
Jessica : It's a great idea.
Alexis: I'm going to do it.
atack2010: you
Alexis: And you're like.
Jessica : I could do that.
Brett: This is almost as good an idea as the bottomless coffee available in the lobby. Woo!
atack2010: You're... Yes.
Jessica : Yeah.
atack2010: Both of them have their downsides. Yes. It all starts with the seed catalogs with me, man. When I start getting those and look at new cultivars and things, I'm like, oh, oh, oh. And then at the end of the season, I'm like, oh, oh, oh.
Jessica : um' I'm going to grow all the things, even if I know it doesn't grow in this zone.
atack2010: Yeah. Yeah.
Jessica : I'm going to keep buying that lemon tree.
Alexis: Yeah.
Jessica : right i'm go to get I got another one.
atack2010: Yeah, good. You're going to have that special season where your avocados and lemon tree does both equally well. so
Jessica : i mean
Alexis: Listen, I've decided I'm a winter tulip grower apparently this year, so I've got, you know, a couple thousand bulbs coming. in So who knows what December and January, Alexis will actually feel like this
Brett: Winter, winter tulip.
atack2010: you You mentioned um a big breaking point, Alexis, is like that that frost. you know Once we get that first hard frost, I've spoken from an allergy sufferer, my whole family, and I look forward to that because that really is a biological breaking point for a lot of growing things and things that have blooms. and and this, that and the other, but for allergies and all of that. I mean, that that's a real breaking point for me. And that and's I'm kind of, it's always bittersweet to see that first hard frost. It's going to wipe out whatever's in the garden. That's left. What few things I had that's, that's left, unless it's super cold hardy, but it also knocks out all of the, a lot of the allergy causing things for me. So it's not all bad.
Brett: a friend A friend referred to that that time of year is that she felt like that she usually like it was like she shed a skin like a snake almost.
Brett: And that the well the one year a couple of years ago where it was like 90 degrees all the way through Halloween and there was no real break.
Alexis: Yeah.
Brett: It was like feeling like you were stuck in that skin and couldn't shed it until like that cold, that cool had come. And I thought that was a really apt description.
Alexis: that hermit crab who couldn't find another shell just stuck in it.
Brett: Yeah, just, just stuck here.
Jessica : Hmm.
atack2010: I may have outgrown my home, but I'm going to stay here for a bit longer.
Alexis: Yeah. There, there always comes a point where you're in the season. You're like, I just wish you would die. Just die. Just I'm done.
atack2010: I feel that way about tomatoes.
Brett: It's okay.
Alexis: Cause you feel guilty about not doing anything with it.
Brett: It's okay.
atack2010: You know, the indeterminate tomatoes, yeah.
Alexis: Right. But you're like, just die already. And that's why the flail mower is such a great investment.
Brett: Don't tempt me.
Alexis: Cause you can just mow it down.
Brett: Yeah.
Alexis: And then you don't, you're like, you only feel a bit guilty for like the two minutes it takes you to mow it down. And then it's just like this big relief.
atack2010: Yeah, and then you look at a nice clean palette.
Brett: So in your BCS costume, you would have a flail mower attachment.
Alexis: Oh, oh, yeah.
Jessica : Oh, that's fitting, yeah.
atack2010: Yes.
Alexis: Oh, yeah. Destroy it all. Yeah.
atack2010: And all of your problems are in front of the flow mower, every one of them.
Brett: Yeah.
Alexis: I'm thinking of like does that like painting on like one of those um like just like a mouth with big teeth on it and like angry eyeballs on the flail mower just like really getting after it.
Jessica : Mm -hm.
atack2010: Like Salvador Dali style or?
atack2010: like like ah Like a World War II fighter plane with the big mouth kind of retro.
Alexis: Or like cookie monster.
Brett: a made and Made in Italy.
Alexis: It's sort of like cookie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was thinking.
atack2010: Yeah.
Jessica : Yeah.
atack2010: I like it.
Alexis: Like a bomber.
atack2010: and I like it.
Alexis: Yeah.
atack2010: Yeah.
Alexis: Yeah.
atack2010: Ooh, the blue bomber. i say I see something forming in my mind that needs to happen with your BCS.
Alexis: Mm -hmm.
Jessica : Well, I'm really good at taking diaper boxes and other cardboard and making costumes.
Alexis: Nice, nice.
Jessica : So when you when you have some free time, if you want to start working on that, we can we can get that knocked out.
Alexis: All right, well.
Alexis: OK, all right.
atack2010: Well, first of all, that's your downfall when we have free time.
Alexis: Bo and I will go sugar treating together as as tractors.
atack2010: See, it's already started.
Jessica : When we have free time, see you in the winter, right?
Alexis: Yeah, see you in the winter.
atack2010: TikTok has made sure that nobody has free time anymore because there's all of these wonderful little ideals floating around out there. It's like, oh, that won't take that much longer to do homemade, you know, cinnamon rolls. It's going to be great.
atack2010: It's going to be fine. And then you're addicted all of a sudden.
Alexis: Six hours later.
atack2010: And you stick ours later. Yes, exactly.
Alexis: What about you, Brett?
atack2010: Exactly. I don't know. I look forward to the winding down. Yeah. What what do you have going on, Brett?
Jessica : Yeah.
Alexis: what's your What are your reflections?
Brett: What's that?
Alexis: What are your reflections?
Jessica : Yeah, we talk the whole time.
atack2010: What are you thinking? What do you got in the fields?
Brett: Oh, I don't know.
atack2010: More bread?
Brett: It's what's that more bread.
atack2010: I'll advocate for that. and More bread. You make a beautiful loaf, so.
Alexis: Just open a thing of sauerkraut and just eat on it.
Brett: Yeah. we We do sauerkraut guiled grilled cheeses. That's like a very, uh, strong part of this year.
Jessica : That sounds good.
Alexis: oh It's delicious. Yeah.
Brett: Uh,
Alexis: i Annie gave me the thought.
Brett: Yeah. um I don't know. It's been it's been kind of a difficult and unusual year for me in ah a variety of ways. And with each passing part of the season, there's kind of like a reminder that things keep moving and keep going. And that's that's kind of, I don't know, it's been like a re -realization. I also have We've put in a bunch of perennials and stuff in the in our at our house in the inn the yard over the last number of years and done some pretty intense re -landscaping. And so seeing everything move through the seasons and begin to senesce and then looking ahead to when it will come back around is pretty cool. i am
Brett: Ready for to not have to water bonsai as much I love them, but whoo It's like a lot especially when it's hot um So yeah, I mean those are some of the main Things that are on my mind or that I'm kind of feeling I tend to like to read as it gets cooler and cooler even more and so I've already I got a head start on that been reading some stuff and I
Alexis: Mm -hmm. Yeah.
atack2010: Yes, absolutely.
atack2010: I'm starting on my 80s collection of horror movies, ah but reading is way up there.
Brett: Oh.
Jessica : That was the thing.
atack2010: That is true. When if it's darker, it always seems like I read a little bit more. Yeah, I'm talking about that bread.
Brett: Yeah.
atack2010: That's always a cool time.
Brett: And I don't know if that's just me ah symbolically going back to school or something like, OK, time to read books.
atack2010: Yeah.
atack2010: Literally or symbolically, yeah, they read all the books.
Alexis: No, you're just hibernating.
Brett: Yeah. If they're not going to give me a personal pan pizza for reading during the summer, then it's not going to happen.
atack2010: A bucket was the thing back then.
Brett: Yeah. Lose my lose my number, Pizza Hut.
atack2010: Absolutely.
Brett: i't But yeah, I don't know. it's it's ah I don't know. I'm figuring it out all over again, I guess. But yeah.
Alexis: It's a season of change.
atack2010: I feel like there's a yeah song in here, you know, seasons change. Yeah. I don't know.
Brett: We were singing ah singing Landslide earlier, because Jessica was like talking about getting older, and I'm like, oh.
atack2010: it's a Yeah.
Jessica : Yeah.
atack2010: ah Yeah. I was that was my vibe. I was going to do some Fleetwood. Yeah.
Brett: And I am getting older, too.
atack2010: I'm always up. Um, there you go.
Alexis: assistance
atack2010: It's a good, it's good times. It's good times, but heading into fall. Good times.
Brett: Well, not to end on a bummer note, cause, uh, you know, as Ray said, p PSL's about to, about to redrop or have they already dropped Ray?
Jessica : Right.
atack2010: Yeah.
atack2010: ah They maybe dropped for me a week or two ago at the gas stations.
Brett: Uh -oh.
atack2010: Hey, listen, they may be dollar store PSLs, but they're still PSLs.
Brett: Uh -oh.
atack2010: They may taste like pure sugar, but that's fine.
Brett: ah Yeah.
atack2010: One and done with those guys.
Brett: ah Yeah. What's, what's in a name, a PSL by any other name would taste just as fall like.
Alexis: Sweet.
atack2010: Oh, yeah. They're kind of rough.
Brett: I think that's what they said. Yeah.
atack2010: Uh, I, there's a lot of variation in the quality of pumpkin spice lattes.
Brett: That's pumpkin spice latte for the uninitiated. I'm sure everybody out there knows, but.
atack2010: Yeah. Yeah. That did. It seems like that those things have gotten sweaters. I've gotten older, not in a necessarily a good way. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I'm like, whoa, a lot of sweetness to those.
Jessica : I used to think that I really liked them, but now I'm like, I'm not so sure.
atack2010: They're a lot now.
Alexis: yeah
atack2010: Yeah.
Alexis: yeah I'm an apple cider girly. so
Jessica : Apple cider.
atack2010: Okay.
Alexis: yeah
atack2010: Taste of the season to come.
Brett: Hot or cold.
atack2010: I like it.
Alexis: Both.
atack2010: I do love hot apple cider.
Brett: But like if you had to choose.
Jessica : Yeah.
Alexis: but Literally whatever's handed to me.
Brett: You gotta choose. You gotta choose.
Alexis: Oh.
Brett: If you don't choose, you get neither.
Jessica : I would be told.
Alexis: um Well, hot then.
atack2010: I'm going hot.
Alexis: I'd probably go hot.
atack2010: I'm going hot.
Brett: I don't know why I felt the need to escalate this to a crisis scenario.
Alexis: I was like, oh, OK.
atack2010: forceche not the Force the dichotomy.
Alexis: We're doing aggressive apple cider choices.
atack2010: Yeah. Yeah.
Alexis: You have to choose or you get nothing.
Brett: Hot or cold, see ya.
atack2010: If you're going to an orchard in 30 minutes, are you getting the hot or the cold?
Alexis: Yeah. Well, I guess when I'm usually drinking it, it's cold outside. So it makes sense for it to be hot.
Brett: Yeah, I think other than like water and water adjacent things, I think most drinks I prefer hot.
atack2010: Yeah, that's when I drink those. Yeah.
atack2010: Um, um, tea, tea even.
Alexis: It
Brett: Tea, coffee, cider.
atack2010: Yeah. I like the warmth of the things. Yeah. Especially when it starts to, you know, get colder out. I like all the hot things.
Alexis: fuels my cold soul.
Brett: If you all have ever heard of the Ayurvedic Doshas, it's sort of like a popularity, and not popularity, a personality test adapted for like crunchy people who like to appropriate Eastern philosophy.
atack2010: I don't think I have.
Alexis: No.
Jessica : No.
atack2010: Hmm. Perfect.
Brett: It's like, you know, it's like yoga, sort of, you know, like it has a meaning, it has applicability, but it has a different context, blah, blah, blah.
atack2010: I like it.
Jessica : Okay.
atack2010: Okay.
Alexis: Yeah. Yeah.
atack2010: It's like the general's checking.
Brett: But it's like this idea, the idea that like, we have these, like, these elemental, I'm gonna butcher it now, and it's gonna be on the record.
atack2010: Sure.
Alexis: Hmm.
Brett: So I'm going full, full speed ahead.
atack2010: Everyone's going to know.
Brett: ah But you have these sort of different people have different distributions of Ayurvedic doshas of like this, sort of like fire, earth, water, that kind of elemental thing.
Jessica : So Avatar, right?
Alexis: Mm -hmm.
Brett: Exactly.
Alexis: Right?
Brett: Oh, you are familiar.
Alexis: So avatar.
atack2010: okay
Brett: Yes. Yes.
atack2010: okay
Brett: So I would be so like if you have ah like a ah fiery Dosa, there's certain foods that tend to be in the Ayurveda tend to be more applicable to so whereas if you have more of like a slow, you know, you need a little bit more excitement in your life, which is like someone like me.
Brett: you want something that's spicy, that's hot, hot drinks, et cetera, have this way of kind of nourishing that.
atack2010: Okay, yeah, okay
Brett: it's It's an interesting way of thinking about like the self and overall you're supposed to kind of be balanced, but it's when you become imbalanced, which direction do you go?
Alexis: Okay.
Brett: And we all know there's there's some people who get quiet and go off and pout in a corner like me. There's people who get lash out and mad and fiery. And there's you know there's a whole whole range of different people, but I have found that I like hot stuff, spicy, hot, brings it brings up a little life in me.
atack2010: trying to liven things up.
Brett: I don't know why, I don't know where that and that came from, a deep...
atack2010: You do, you, you do.
Jessica : Is there a quiz that we can take to figure this out?
atack2010: Hey, is there Myers, Myers Briggs?
Alexis: Right? Like, is it a cosmos phase?
Brett: Probably.
Alexis: I want to take one.
atack2010: Yeah, I do want to tell you, I want to see what you avatar. I am.
Alexis: We should do.
atack2010: Is it water form or wind form and air or what am I?
Alexis: We need to do the, um, what's it called bread?
Brett: Yeah.
Alexis: Enograms.
Brett: Enneagram, yeah.
Alexis: And yeah, with, we should do it with this group and then like talk about how that makes it, what kind of gardeners we are because of that.
Jessica : Natto.
Brett: Ooh, are you all familiar with the Enneagram?
Alexis: Like, I feel like that'd be cool.
Brett: You guys want to buy some crystals from me? I'm just kidding.
Jessica : Oh.
Alexis: Do you know what your moon sign is?
Brett: um
Brett: Yeah, Enneagram also a fun thing. ah The poor people that work with me and and were hang hanging out with me last year, I think it was, I got super into it. it's That one's one where like there's just numbers from one through nine.
Brett: and they all each one of sort of has like a associated set of practices or or tendencies. it's it's Again, it's along the lines of a personality test, though though the people who hold it up would say it's slightly different.
Brett: But at the core of it is about how to figure out trying to figure out how to work better with other people by understanding them better, understanding yourself better, and and that sort of thing.
Alexis: Mm hmm.
Brett: so Yeah.
Alexis: i want to I want to make it like a garden version, like what kind of, how that relates to how we are our gardeners.
atack2010: What kind of vegetable?
Brett: o Okay.
atack2010: to her
Alexis: Just like, um, yeah.
atack2010: ah
Jessica : That would be fun.
Alexis: So if you're like normally a three, you tend to like, I don't actually know what a three is, but I'm guessing here you, I don't, I don't know what I am.
Brett: Are you a three?
Alexis: I've never done it, but I'm, I'm, I don't know.
atack2010: She's not going to own that, is she?
Brett: She's doing three.
atack2010: No.
Alexis: I was like, do you tend to like straight lines in your rows or are you more of a like, you know, throw it anywhere kind of grower?
atack2010: An English gardener.
Brett: Are you more of an English gardener?
Alexis: I don't know. I found, I think that'd be fun.
atack2010: I like fish with my chips.
Alexis: Exactly, exactly.
Brett: save this Alexis I don't know where I don't know where are you Vedic doshas I have not thought about that in like over 10 years
Alexis: Alright.
atack2010: This is where reflections go people.
Alexis: we're We reflected on fall.
atack2010: We reflect.
Alexis: We hope we gave you some tips to maybe do your own a little bit of reflection or, you know, looking towards the future. ah So maybe that's where you're at. And or maybe you just got a few laughs out of the random things that we we come up with.
Alexis: We're here to please. So if you enjoyed this episode, ah please leave us a review. If you didn't enjoy this episode, you can still leave us a review. We still expect five stars, but you can tell us not your best ah if you so choose.
Brett: Who would say that?
Alexis: No one. but That's why I'm saying it, because I know nobody likes to do it.
Brett: Yeah, ah don't even don't even bring that energy in.
atack2010: The threes would say that. I'm pretty sure the threes would.
Brett: Yeah, threes would say could have been better.
Alexis: of Even better. I mean, that's, it's, you know, free. Anyways, so we would love if you leave us review, it helps other people find us. You can also find us on Instagram at Hort Culture Podcast. ah You can shoot us a message on there. If you you know have any ideas, if that's something easier for you to access,
Alexis: If you have any thoughts, please feel free to reach out. You can also do that. We've had people who email us and say, I am very lost about um what you meant by this episode and or have ideas for future ones and you can do that.
Brett: People just say more mulch content, more mulch content.
Alexis: more mo And then we will make sure to invite Josh back on ah for the Mulch 2 .0 episode, Mulch Boy.
Brett: like
Alexis: so ah But you can do that. You can reach out to us via email. ah That's hortculturepodcast .l .uky .edu. That goes to all of us. And so one of us will answer depending on kind of what what the question is.
Alexis: Some of us are better than others at things. But anyways, ah we hope you've enjoyed this podcast and that as we grow it, you will grow with us and that you'll join us next week. Have a great one.
