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King's Quest 2
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We said we'd do all of these and here we are: King's Quest 2, the most King's Quest yet!
Quest Quest podcast is Ben Vigeant and Jess Morrissette.
Editing by Ben Vigeant
Show art by Kevin "WilcoWeb" Wallace
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Transcript
Introductions and Accents
00:00:33
Speaker
Oh, hello, my friends. It is Quest Quest. I am Ben. And I am Jess.
00:00:44
Speaker
And we are talking like this for the next 75 minutes or so. Yeah. And then after that, a new York accents. it So stick around. Yeah.
00:00:58
Speaker
Stick around. Oh, my goodness. ah All right.
Podcast Platforms and Adventure Game Chat
00:01:02
Speaker
uh quest quest the adventure game podcast uh you can also watch us on twitch and youtube we both use the same things on both of those ah shit i'm one behind on my youtube i gotta get that all set up but i'm ps underscore garrick g-a-r-a-k and i am decaf jedi yeah um now jess yes uh
00:01:29
Speaker
You know, I don't know if I have too much ah preamble ah today. I'm unpreambled. And you want to know why? It's because we talked for 16 minutes before. ah Like, we like we we had a long pre-podcast chat.
00:01:46
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. About adventure games. so I'm really burned out on that. Like, that's the last thing. Oh, thank God. I know exactly what you're talking about. All right. So thank just I just went.
Easter Candy Favorites
00:01:57
Speaker
ah I just went ah grocery shopping and ah this is quick. Tell me more. Everyone's everyone's like, fascinating. But fascinating but ah When we record this, which will also be very close to when it comes out, ah it is ah we are we are heading into, ah ah you know, Lent Easter season.
00:02:26
Speaker
They have out at the grocery store all the the Easter candy and Easter candy is my favorite candy season.
00:02:37
Speaker
oh no ben let me ask you yeah is this leading to a cadbury egg story no okay how do you feel about those i'm not a cadbury eggsman okay good no no no me either i'm just happy to hear that uh too sweet now please continue and i know that there are are those who live in uh the the the uk who listen to this and i'm sure you're you're you're spitting your tea out furiously uh Well, there they're made with real eggs. So really a different product. Yeah. Yeah. right Here we don't even have eggs.
00:03:11
Speaker
We can have four eggs here. We have to use chocolate, which yeah which is cheaper somehow. um But I'm sure that a ah Cadbury egg is probably better in the UK because in general, the quality of of chocolate, ah like the chocolate that you'll find at a grocery store is is just poor if you go i'm sure if you go to a tesco uh you'll you'll find the the best cadbury egg you've ever had in your entire life and yeah if you just hop in your lorry you head down to the tesco yeah no absolutely um so tell me about this easter candy so well yeah i was gonna to say
00:03:54
Speaker
Now, do do you, are you an Easter candy? Like, do you, do you love Easter candy? Because I love Easter candy, specifically one type.
00:04:07
Speaker
Okay. I have, yeah i have a top two. have a top two here. You have a top two. Let's hear your, you have a top three. Top two with...
00:04:18
Speaker
a third that's a little bit like on the bubble i have one thing that i like that i buy a bunch of different brands of okay i like this my favorite maybe my favorite candy of all candies year-round i love a good jelly bean i am a jelly bean guy is that where you're at too yeah i i love a tart sweet jelly bean that has like strong. I love the sour. Yeah.
00:04:49
Speaker
Specifically. Have you had the Jolly Rancher brand jelly beans? are pretty good. they're not bad for a cheap one. Yeah. i so my favorite, and I have not been able to find these on the the shelves.
00:05:03
Speaker
um I loved the Smucker's sour. With a name like Smuckers. Here's the thing. There's so many things with stupid names these days that like, what was it in the eighty s When did they say with a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good.
00:05:22
Speaker
think 80s. Yeah. Like Smuckers to me. And maybe it's just because Smuckers has just been a thing that's existed my whole life. I I've never looked askance.
00:05:35
Speaker
Yeah. Smucker isn't been like, Ooh, Smucker's what is strange. I mean, now that I say I've said it like 10 times in a sentence, now I'm starting to be like, Ooh, it's a little weird.
00:05:46
Speaker
Do you think they missed out on a partnership at some point with Fuddruckers? Smucker's Fuddruckers? Yeah. Like the Smucker's burger at Fuddruckers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a burger filled with raspberry jam.
00:06:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's a Monte Cristo burger at that point. No, it's delicious. No. So jelly beans. Absolutely. I'm a jelly bean lover. Yeah. So I just I was eating Sour Patch ah jelly beans.
00:06:13
Speaker
They didn't have a bag of ah the Great Nerds jelly beans, which are amazing. They didn't. They didn't. But those are good. Those are my favorite. ah And ah what what else?
00:06:27
Speaker
Oh, i they had a trolley, the the ah sour worms people. they They have a sour jelly bean. So I bought i bought those, and I've just been munching on those.
00:06:40
Speaker
I have no self-control when it comes to jelly beans. I will eat a full bag. Here's the thing, Ben.
00:06:51
Speaker
One jelly bear one jelly bean is nothing. So like if you add zero plus zero plus zero hundreds of times, that's still zero.
00:07:02
Speaker
like there yeah i mean, you can always have one more jelly bean. all right What I used to love to get, and now this is out of reach to me. I don't know if you've ever seen these before. But Jelly Belly, the gourmet jelly bean, produces a line of what's called Jelly Belly belly flops.
00:07:22
Speaker
Have you ever seen this? Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Are they the irregular jelly beans that poorly shaped or wrong colored or things like that? um i used to pick those up at Big Lots.
00:07:33
Speaker
But now ah in this economy, Big Lots has gone out business. I mean, it's. No, it's a small fuse.
00:07:43
Speaker
That's exactly right. That's they've had to tighten their belts. Okay. So jelly beans are my number one. What else is on your favorite Easter? cow That's it. That's it. je That's it. Okay. I still have in my kitchen cabinet, like chocolate Easter candy that my mom sent me like five years ago.
00:08:02
Speaker
I don't need chocolate. i I like chocolate. I like it. I don't need it. But yeah, exactly. I like chocolate in like a pancake. I like chocolate.
00:08:14
Speaker
I like chocolate with something. ah Chocolate by itself has to be very good. And even then, it's just not where I'm going to reach. Right.
00:08:28
Speaker
Ben, should I be worried about how this podcast is likely to go by the fact that when you said pancake, my brain paused for a minute and imagined you like baking a cake in a pan somehow.
Sour Candy Story and Childhood Memories
00:08:41
Speaker
And I like forgot that pancakes was just a compound word that exists. Like, I feel like that's just a normal thing that many people have for ah a treat breakfast. Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:52
Speaker
It confused me upon you saying it as if I'd never heard of this strange concept before. You see, here are my other two favorites. yeah what are the other Here's the problem with these. Both of these, I'm pretty good at not making myself sick on jelly beans. But i mean these other two, I absolutely will make myself sick on. Right.
00:09:08
Speaker
I love a Jordan almond. Jordan almonds are pretty good. I like a Jordan almond, but here's the thing. ah candy shell doesn't mean you're not still eating almonds. I think is what I always forget. It's like the same way I wouldn't eat 40 almonds in a sitting.
00:09:25
Speaker
I shouldn't eat 40 almonds just because they're surrounded by a delicious pastel candy shell. it's a Too many almonds. At the grocery store, they did have limoncello Jordan almonds. Oh, wow. Oh, man.
00:09:41
Speaker
i i almost bought them because I was just like... yeah but irresistible to me. I love a Jordan almond. Uh, and also remember in my childhood, my mom constantly saying, you're going to choke on those Jordan almonds. They're too big. You need to chew them more. I'm like, i don't have time, mom. I've got to get these Jordan almonds.
00:10:00
Speaker
That's right. Yeah. Um, like big old horse pills. Um, yeah and my other one that I've also made myself sick on probably every, uh, every, at least American child has made themselves sick on this at some point in their lives. Uh, peeps. I like a good marshmallow. Okay. See,
00:10:17
Speaker
um mean no no go on peeps no go on peeps i kind of like marshmallow again is not something that is ever the star of the show for me marshmallow like i love ah rice krispie treat oh yes but that's a rice krispie treat with marshmallows as a binding substance that's marshmallows aren't the star there yeah they're you're right the the star they're the Like they're the co-star.
00:10:45
Speaker
Yeah. um i Because you have a little bit of savory in there and you have this great texture. like Yes. I mean, and peeps have a texture.
00:10:55
Speaker
it's It's just, i the only joy I get out of peeps is microwaving them because that's kind of fun. Let me tell you kind of sicko I am. You know, when you open like a little sleeve of peeps and maybe you like, yeah, peepy sleeve, you open it and you eat one of the peeps and maybe you're like, I only need one peep right now. And maybe you kind of like fold back the sleeve a little bit with the plan to come back to the peeps later. Yeah.
00:11:21
Speaker
I kind of like the peeps after they get a little bit stale. I think I've heard that. I think, I think you're, you're, you're on, I think that is a, a, a common. Is it?
00:11:32
Speaker
Okay. Cause I think I've heard other people say that. I like when they get a little crispy around the edges. and What I like with ah a jelly bean though is, or, you know, I loved, how are you a sour, sour patch kids? Like just a sour patch kids. I'll eat, I'll eat those until my gums hurt.
00:11:51
Speaker
Yeah. That's, that's how, like until my, until the, like the soft palate of my mouth is like, I've done this citric acid. Yes. um A few years ago, yeah my daughter loves sour candy too obsessed with it.
00:12:09
Speaker
And a few years ago, i was just like, you know what, B, we should sit down and look at the internet and find the sourest candy in the world. And we found some sour balls out of the UK that were supposedly like the sourest sour candy in the world.
00:12:26
Speaker
Um, and I think they were pretty, pretty yeah sour. Like, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, and I had, I ordered these from a candy importer bye blah and we got them. And, uh, yeah, I, I,
00:12:40
Speaker
we ate them and they were very sour. And I ate a few more of them than should have. And there was a brief moment where I thought maybe I had permanently destroyed my taste buds and palate. Like I was just like, I don't think I'm ever going to be able to taste anything else again. And it was like that for about a day and a half.
00:12:57
Speaker
Right. And I was just like, I'm to power through this. ah You know, I nearly lost my sense of smell once in college due to a lab accident in my chemistry class. And I thought I was right back Are you the star of an 80s teen comedy? Yes, basically. i mean, short version. I know our listeners want to hear this.
00:13:20
Speaker
ah I was, as part of like a a lab thing in my chemistry class, we had to heat up some hydrochloric acids. And at one point, I think the lab instructions instructed like a waft the chemical towards yourself to get a sense Like you're cooking a sauce?
00:13:39
Speaker
Yeah, I think I mean, it was like, we were like trying to identify a substance and this is like one of the steps to rule out certain things. Poison. So, yeah, when it says, yeah, when it says waft it towards you gently, i stuck it up to my face and like...
00:13:55
Speaker
And it turns out when you inhale a bunch of hydrochloric acid steam, that it really damages your your nose. And I thought I was just never going to be able to smell anything again for a few weeks. And I didn't tell anyone because I was embarrassed. So, yeah, I was just going to power through the rest of my life. Right.
00:14:14
Speaker
Like... like it's weird and walk hard with no sense of smell it's weird it's a very like i i lost my smell the first time i got covid um and i like thankfully it was just a ah week where and zoop restored it right and zoop yeah listen this is that as we know most of the listeners are not our twitch viewers emailed us when we asked that last time yeah i don't think but um uh uh it is very strange but you know what it did make uh uh clearing out the the litter box uh pretty easy all right you know okay jess i've got an important question for you okay what is it what have you been playing whoa there it is what have i been playing been
00:15:08
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I'm deep back into
Gaming Updates: Overwatch and Etrian Odyssey 2
00:15:10
Speaker
Overwatch. I know I've talked about this before, but I think this deserves an update. It is consuming all of my private gaming time.
00:15:19
Speaker
I am back in it. I bought the Battle Pass. Then I bought the Battle Pass. am back in like ranked matches. And let me tell you, I've climbed out of bronze and all the way up to mid gold.
00:15:34
Speaker
which is, i mean, a real accomplishment for me. i don't know if the listeners are impressed by that, but I mean, I'm really honing my skills. I feel like I'm growing into a more complete Overwatch player.
00:15:49
Speaker
And if I could just dedicate 30 to 40 hours a week to it at this stage, I feel like I could really excel. Now, know a lot of people are thinking, Jess, you play Marvel Rivals? And the answer is...
00:16:02
Speaker
It's too chaotic. It's little too chaotic. I like the controls. It's because you stand with the people that were unceremoniously laid off, even though they created a hit.
00:16:15
Speaker
Yeah, and the estate of Jack Kirby, who never saw the kinds of royalties from Marvel that you should have. I stand with Jack King Kirby. I stand with all the creators who worked so hard on these properties and didn't get to share in the great success they've enjoyed ever since. right. And I hear that everyone that worked, I mean, I don't know anything about the development of Overwatch. I don't know. Couldn't tell you. Yeah, we know Blizzard treats people right.
00:16:40
Speaker
That's one thing we can be sure. Like the ending of that episode of The Simpsons. where after being like ah the Hollywood film producer, after having been thoroughly scammed by the Springfield government, goes back to Hollywood.
00:16:55
Speaker
And this is a joke that I totally did not get. Yeah. as a 10 year old when I watched this. The end of it is, like the director goes back to LA and he goes, thank goodness I'm able to go back to Los Angeles, a city where they treat people right or something like that. And now as an adult, I'm like, oh, they're like, this is such a, like, this is a bunch of people that live in LA, like flipping the bird at themselves. yeah and And at their bosses, essentially.
00:17:32
Speaker
But as a kid, I was just like, oh, I guess everyone's nice in LA, I guess. I don't know. That's what they say. LA's just a place full of nice people. ah But no, I mean, yeah, so I'm just stuck playing Overwatch. um I'm learning a new hero. She's a girl who grew up on Mars and now has returned to Earth. And she, like, floats around and looks like a 1950s sci-fi girl and shoots people with her little pew-pew laser gun to heal them. It's...
00:18:06
Speaker
It's a whole thing. I'm just, I'm stuck in it, Ben. I can't get out. And that'll be the only game I ever play again. This segment will now just be Jess's Overwatch update. So I ask you, what are you playing? Hopefully it is a game on Overwatch.
00:18:20
Speaker
I've been playing Marvel Rivals. Oh! No, no.
00:18:28
Speaker
I started playing the game Etrian Odyssey 2. I have heard of this, but know nothing about it. So, okay.
00:18:39
Speaker
Etrian Odyssey, did you ever play any of the wizardry games? No, i don't think I have. Okay.
00:18:55
Speaker
which comes out like, I don't know, 80, 81, around there, pretty early.
00:19:10
Speaker
And you draw your own maps, like, because it was made for the Apple II, right? Yeah. it's It's a very, like, this wireframe that you wander, and you go down each level in the labyrinth, there are worse monsters, and they, like, fuck up your party in even worse ways, and this, that, and the other. And it was
00:19:34
Speaker
a big hit here and a massive hit in Japan to the there's a series, Etrian Odyssey, which is essentially a what if we made a game that's like Wizardry 1 through 3.
00:19:54
Speaker
Yeah. And so I'm playing this on on my my Steam Deck. This is the the HD remake that they they put out a couple years ago.
00:20:10
Speaker
And like, obviously the there are you modern conveniences, but it's a very straightforward game. RPG, like, or a very straightforward dungeon crawler.
00:20:25
Speaker
There's not, like, there's kind of a plot, but not really. There's not, like, it's mostly, and you you draw a map, or you can have it turn on and and draw the map for you, which I do. But you still have to draw in some stuff.
00:20:38
Speaker
Yeah. Which is why it was originally a DS game, and so that was a lot more natural with it. Ah. But, uh, I beat Etrian Odyssey 1 HD a couple years ago, and then ah I like started to and played it a little bit and then kind of bounced it because it's like I had had my fill.
00:21:02
Speaker
And then recently I've been starting to feel the itch again. So I reinstalled Etrian Odyssey 2 and then I realized this one, Two has kind of a ah lesser reputation among them.
00:21:17
Speaker
Like it just kind of and made a lot of dumb choices. it's just not It's just not quite as much fun to play in my opinion.
00:21:30
Speaker
So I might kind of give up on it just move on to three. We'll see. Okay. But yeah, it's a fun little dungeon crawler. Like since it's so straightforward about what it is,
00:21:44
Speaker
That makes it like, it's just such a pure game. It just does what you want, you know? Gotcha. There's something about that.
00:21:57
Speaker
I think sometimes stripping away some of those elements from an RPG and going back to basics, I mean, there's is something pretty satisfying about that. So I get it. Yeah. Now, here's my thing, Ben. Can be frank with you? I'd rather you be jazzed.
00:22:12
Speaker
like Seriously, go ahead. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I was trying to be serious.
00:22:18
Speaker
I feel like this segment over and over again, while we've been playing, it's starting make me feel like maybe I have very basic tastes in video games. I always feel like I'm choosing something that is way too mainstream and boring.
00:22:35
Speaker
And you always have like a really interesting sort of pick you bring. I guess what i'm asking is, are you lying about this? I am playing Antrian Odyssey 2. but Okay, I just want to... I mean, i didn I don't want to call your, like, character into question, especially here live on the air. But I just want ask one more time, are you lying about this? not lying. I am playing...
00:22:57
Speaker
I'd free an Odyssey 2. My party, they all have the names of the cat like the characters from Sliders. You got Quinn, you got Professor Arturo, you got Rembrandt Brown, you got Wade Wells, you got... And then it's a five-person party. so Johnny Cromad. You got... a You gotta add Maggie Beckett, even though she was added to the cast later. and she, you know, didn't, like, listen, we all love beloved VJ and occasional remote control star Carrie Werher.
00:23:37
Speaker
But she, you know, for some reason, she just hasn't had quite the career of a John Rhys Davies or a. Oh, Jesus, what's his name? The guy who Quinn. He's also a O'Connell. Yeah, Jerry O'Connell.
00:23:52
Speaker
You know, for some reason, like her career just didn't explode. I mean, you know, John Rhys-Gabies had already had a pretty distinguished career at that point. He was, yeah, he had already, yeah.
00:24:05
Speaker
Maybe? I think he had. Yeah.
00:24:10
Speaker
But also I think he was like kind of like the guy that he brought into class it, class up that show. Yeah. Well, let me say just like two points. A, that story's not pretty convincing. So I guess I do believe you're playing Adrian Odyssey too. And, and the second point you're playing a two point hospital.
00:24:31
Speaker
My second point, yeah,.2.0, I'm playing, yeah. No, my second point is, i love you for naming your characters after those sliders characters. That's amazing. I'm very happy with that additional detail.
Pop Culture in Gaming: Humorous Character Names
00:24:45
Speaker
I don't know why it wasn't in your original, what are you playing moment. i is My Etrian Odyssey 1 party was the 86 Mets.
00:24:57
Speaker
ah I've occasionally used the party names from the original Bard's Tale and things oh and i is like Brian. The default party was Brian the Fist, El said Marcus.
00:25:13
Speaker
um Oh, gosh. Who else was in there? Yeah, no, they all have some fun, fun, ridiculous names. I'll occasionally pick those back up. But no, that's that sounds like a fun game. Thank you for sharing. ben Yeah, of course. Well.
00:25:28
Speaker
kind of unceremoniously ended there but but what's what's this i hear off in the distance i'm i'm hearing a beautiful tune
00:25:56
Speaker
Listen, they, they, listen to this. Whoa! They're having a little... They're tickling those mini-avers in there.
00:26:10
Speaker
They're using all three of the three voices afforded by the PC Junior. And as we have mentioned before, we have long suspected that Sierra was using more than the 16 colors. Yeah, they were using um more than 16 colors, and that sounds like they were using more than three voices. that's yeah i heard at least four, maybe five.
00:26:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. For and maybe like a percussion element that, yeah, no, once again, yeah, I think Sierra is just not playing by the rules here, but what they are playing is the game.
King's Quest 2 Overview
00:26:46
Speaker
King's quest to romancing the throne. That's what we're talking about today. And Ben, Ben, I think the question that I want to tackle as we talk about this is one of the things I find most interesting about King's Quest 2 is thinking in terms of how it attempted to build on what we saw in the first King's Quest, the kinds of efforts to expand this world, expand the puzzle design, the story.
00:27:16
Speaker
i think it's fascinating that they're essentially built on, you the more or less exact same technological base, but I feel like King's Quest 2 pushes this a little bit further with but more varied environments, ah some yeah certainly a more elaborate story in a lot of ways. And yeah, I think that comparison to me, especially when we're just a few episodes out from having just talked about King's Quest 1. Yeah, I mean, what what are your just like initial off-the-cuff impressions King's Quest? Where does this game fit into your Sierra fandom?
00:27:49
Speaker
so So first off, to to provide a little, like, in in my preparation for this, i ah played the AGI i King's Quest to get the ah like the first key so I got the I played it there um and i but I like I've beaten it in the past um but like just to kind of freshen my memory and then i went and I'll want to to discuss this because it's a very interesting game I went and played ah like last time i revisited the AGS game
00:28:33
Speaker
or AGD rather, ah remake of King's Quest 2, which is they took the bones of King's Quest 2 and made essentially a completely different game. They also took the throne of King's Quest 2 and made stones out of it. Yeah, it's now no longer King's Quest 2 colon romancing the throne. It is romancing the stones.
00:28:57
Speaker
um Which is worse because that's what... essentially king's quest 2 romancing the throne was already a takeoff on was romancing the stone the 1980s uh action comedy movie uh it's almost like you you took a parody and you normal aled it back to where it began uh where am i on king's quest this is, I, know King's quest two, and I'm, I'm sure I'm absolutely sure we're going to talk about this.
00:29:30
Speaker
And you, sir, no King's quest two. uh, know it holds a very special place in your heart. um King's Quest 2 is not my guy.
00:29:45
Speaker
ah it it is not one that i i like i just that I necessarily connected with. And it's an interesting middle child ah between ah King's Quest 3, which obviously we'll talk about it, i i which is...
00:30:08
Speaker
very like experimental and very like does a lot to, to kind of bend and break rules that had been established by these previous two games.
00:30:23
Speaker
And ah much more straightforward ah adventure. And when I say adventure is like, like I said on that podcast, adventure, like, like, you know, Colossal cave, uh, King's quest one, where it's like, you have to get these treasures.
00:30:40
Speaker
So it's like two there, ah it, it has a lot the, the feel of uh the the first game and i don't believe that this was uh i don't believe two was uh something uh uh ordered by ibm i think this was their own sleep they didn't have any requests from ibm on on what they were doing i don't think i don't think i believe you're right about that i believe you're correct but uh so this is it's it's also ah linear
00:31:22
Speaker
Which one isn't. One is very linear yeah with the structure of the three magical doors you have to open. There's, i mean, each of them has a clue to where the key is.
00:31:33
Speaker
There is only that order through which to proceed through the game. Or for someone that's not, who who's listening to this that isn't familiar with King's Quest 2, what is it? What's it about?
00:31:47
Speaker
What's the game? It's a video game. um it's it's ah It's a 1985 sequel to King's Quest 1, again, designed by the the great Roberta Williams. And this time around, Graham, who has become a king upon the mysterious death, possible assassination of King Edward,
00:32:04
Speaker
ah He is now a king of Daventry, but he's sad because he does not have a girlfriend. Yeah, i I made a note here in my notes when I was playing it, which is King's Quest 2 is about how a wife will fix Graham instead of finding out and solving his problems within himself.
00:32:27
Speaker
yes uh king's quest 2 is toxic masculinity and i'm pointing a finger at roberta williams for uh propagating such harmful tropes a man will ride a golden tuna through a purple ocean instead of going to therapy um absolutely yeah i mean this is yeah no i mean yeah graham uh graham needs a lady the magic mirror shows him a girl in the tower I have a ah clip from ah the fully voiced AGD game ah ah about like from the the opening cutscene about how lonely Graham is. Would you like to hear it?
00:33:10
Speaker
I would love to. Okay, here we go. Perhaps my lord is feeling that certain rooms in his castle are somewhat sparsely filled. The throne room, for example.
00:33:22
Speaker
The sex room also. other rooms that serve but a single soul. Like your dining room and your bed chambers. Oh.
00:33:38
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Perhaps.
00:33:43
Speaker
That's Josh Mandel again doing King Graham, correct? That is. They got Josh back. And um like, unlike in King's Quest one, where Graham has like, I think like three lines, like he actually gets to talk in this one.
00:33:58
Speaker
ah So it was, you know, he, the you get a lot of Josh. ah And I, I just heard that and i was like, I got grab this clip.
00:34:09
Speaker
That's really good. His like, you know, his, whatever his Royal advisor being like ah King Graham, I could tell you have not been getting any. Yes. my lord seems most horny. um Yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker
No, yeah it's, and I mean, yeah, he goes off to the land of Kalima. Is that how it's pronounced in the talkie version? ah Well, I have a clip, but we'll get to it. Okay. they say So he heads off in search of of true love and along the way um encounters, I would argue, even more of a mishmash of like,
00:34:48
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fairy tale and general fantasy and horror characters than, than the first game. I mean, this yeah little red riding hood, you have Dracula, you have an evil witch, you have ah a Christian church.
00:35:05
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, this is important. It's in this game that Jesus Christ joins the King's quest cinematic universe. And I think that's very exciting. Actually. King's quest is canon to the Bible.
00:35:19
Speaker
where what literally the book they invented canon for um so yeah that's uh that's important to note um but yeah i mean and yeah you have a genie you have a pegasus you have yeah king neptune king neptune himself i mean this one is all over the place yeah i like that you described it as a middle child because it really does seem like an awkward like step between king's quest one which is sort of establishing this formula and then king's quest three like you said that really is expanding on it bending it breaking it and everything else and king's quest two just feels a little odd between those two mean it definitely i mean it's visually uh big step beyond uh king's quest one even though it's using the same engine
00:36:07
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and And you have to in order to to get to the this place where this beautiful gal
Key Plot Devices: Magic Doors and Puzzles
00:36:14
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is. This beautiful orange lady. ah You have to ah um go through, ah you have to unlock, what, three doors?
00:36:24
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Yes. And I have a ah clip. This is, ah I mean, I grabbed these clips a week ago, so i actually don't remember what this is. But this is a clip about the door. Maybe this will explain everything.
00:36:40
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Or not. I am the door of destiny. I am sought out by many. Found by few and opened by none so far.
00:36:56
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I couldn't make out any of that. a It sounds like an impressive magic door. I mean, in the original, Graham just walks up and reads an inscription. I mean, it's not. they They give this door a face in the AGD version. I hate doors with faces. Oh, I love a good face on a door.
00:37:15
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I worry that a door with a face is going to eat me. No, it's going to talk to you and be like, give me three rocks.
00:37:26
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like you know that show you your That'll take you to your future wife. yeah you know the doors at the end of super Mario two levels that are like hawk heads or something like open up and then like, like, and then you're in, you've just, you've just killed Birdo for the seventh time. And this thing's like, wrong yeah I don't like those doors either. I love those doors. They're my favorite type of door.
00:37:51
Speaker
Why do you like face doors so much? Well, you know, I, I, I just, we were one of the things we were talking about ah before, uh, uh starting the podcast was as of today as of this recording i am now a homeowner and i am going to replace all of the doors in my my brand new home uh with uh you know uh face doors that open up like and make a sound sound when you walk in that feels like such a waste of money like what we did here was get bubble doors like for metroid that you just shoot with your gun and that i mean yeah that's because you have all the the the specific uh different rays like that's because you've gone into all the the nooks and crannies and found the ice ray and all that other shit i'm fully upgraded i'm fully upgraded i'm not going to map the fucking
00:38:45
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uh what is it the zebes or whatever yeah i mean at the end of the day the good news is if uh if you get through my house fast enough at the end you can see me in a swimsuit oh man there was uh
00:39:06
Speaker
oh man there was ah So ah here in Chicago, there's a theater group called Neo Futurists and they have ah a late night ah theater show, which has has had ah ah two different names. And so I'm just going to explain what it is, which is that ah they try to do 30 short plays in 60 minutes.
00:39:31
Speaker
Yes. And one of... I remember I did clear as a bell. I remember seeing this, uh, one of, and all the plays are like, you know, a minute, two minutes long, obviously if it's 30 and 60, right. And they're all written by the cast.
00:39:46
Speaker
Uh, and I remember clear as a bell, like seeing this like 10, 12 years ago, there was one and you get like a menu and it has a list of all the names of the plays. And one of them was, I think the name was, it's like,
00:40:01
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uh pov you're me uh age age eight uh beating metroid for the first time and uh so the the play begins and one of the women ah the cast takes off a helmet and shakes her hair and the the the guy who wrote the play goes Oh my God, it's a woman!
00:40:23
Speaker
It's a woman! And then like he just goes up to people in the audience and is like, Oh my God, it's a girl! It's a girl! I can't believe it! It's a girl! Spoiler alert ah for Metroid for everybody listening. I think he was had a strobe light on.
00:40:40
Speaker
That's amazing. but That's amazing. I still think about this. I would pay to see that as a standalone, like two minute play or whatever. no that It was so great. ah Kurt, you did a good job. that's ah ah the That was the guy that wrote it. Kurt, good job. I still think about it. Years later, thank you for being a listener.
00:41:00
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That's how you know it's art. If you're still thinking about it years later. no that's, that's beautiful. Just like I'm still thinking about King's quest to all of these years later.
00:41:11
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ah i mean, you may, you alluded to this earlier and I think I've probably told this story on the podcast before. I know I've told it on my stream a million times, but this was, King's Quest 2, the first adventure game I ever played. ah When my parents bought me my first computer, a Tandy 1000 EX for Christmas 1986, one of the games that came bundled with it was... Extra Xylophone.
00:41:38
Speaker
That's what stands for. Extra Xylophone. did have ah a MIDI Xylophone attached to it which was a peripheral that did not stick around. Yeah. It was like the Rob the Robot. Like it really was. yeah Two games and that was, and then they're just like, whatever.
00:41:52
Speaker
That's right. And I did play King's Quest two using Xylophone controls. So. It was one of the selling points. I mean, the thing is like you spell out the commands, but you only have like a through G to work with. So it really limits what words you can spell. Can.
00:42:06
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really believed ken williams really believed that that would be the future of uh and uh yeah like um sierra lost a lot of money on uh investing in xylophon xylophone joystick technology but then like you see donkey conga come along decades later and it simplified it to two bongos and now it works it's like now it's the perfect control donkey conga oh did you have that No, I didn't.
00:42:34
Speaker
We had it. And you you want to know what? What? It's kind of fun. Yeah, I bet it was. bet it was. But no, this is the first adventure game I played. And i absolutely fell in love with it. Like for me, separating this game a little bit from just sort of my personal nostalgia for it.
00:42:52
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um You know, it's difficult because this game... I didn't know games like this existed at the time. yeah I'd mostly played like Atari 2600 games up to this point arcade games. The idea of ah world you can wander around, the ability to like save your progress and come back to it later, to interface with the world through a parser, to have to unravel these puzzles.
00:43:15
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All of that was just gameplay I didn't realize existed until I picked up King's Quest 2. And I just played it over and over again. Like, this is a game I just went back to. It was a world I'd love to wander around and just enjoy.
00:43:29
Speaker
Looking back, you know, there parts of this game that felt absolutely magical to me. I adore the scene where Graham hops on a seahorse and travels. Cool. Yeah. I mean, it looked amazingly cool.
00:43:44
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It's very, it's not very interactive, particularly. No, he just goes there and then he talks to King Neptune ah that like, it's not, particularly complicated to get the key from it no and the puzzles like gosh what does Neptune want I found this trident just lying on yeah i was just gone the just like go of it and up in a wave I bet that's a real problem if you're an undersea king. Like, anything you're not holding on to has the potential just to, like, wash away at all times. He's giving it away a lot of keys ah to people that... Just bring whatever he's lost back. Yeah, I mean, it's like, oh, I lost my crown today. Oh, there goes my trident.
00:44:25
Speaker
There goes my... like seaweed loincloth or whatever else has disappeared yeah this like to me that was the most beautiful scene that like i copied it later when i created a little game down the road called late last night was like i want a undersea you know king neptune-y sort of scene in my own game because how much i love this but mean, this game is all over the place. It's I mean, it's still got the weird treasure hunt mechanics from the first game. Only here.
00:44:58
Speaker
It's just a bunch of random jewelry strewn about that only exists to give you more points. It's not advancing the game in any way. the, the world, ah world with little red riding hood and the big bad wolf, a world where it's hinted that possibly grandma from little red riding hood is also hooking up with count Dracula.
00:45:20
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Like otherwise, how would his stuff get under her bed? Yeah. They they keep that implication the, Oh, good you good. Good, good, good. Yeah.
00:45:30
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I mean, the fact that Dracula is there, I mean, all of it, it's odd. I don't know that it quite off gels together. It's such an interesting little mishmash. It's it's it's just... It's fascinating.
00:45:43
Speaker
You know, like it's it it just to they they just were like, yeah, you know what? Like, you know, Roberta Williams was just like, you know, Dracula is pretty cool, isn't he? yeah And it's like, yeah, sure.
00:45:55
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and Why don't I make a giant castle for him? And when I say giant castle, I mean, not only are there a lot of rooms, but every piece of furniture and doorway and it looks like it is made for a 12 foot tall human.
00:46:07
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ah And that's just where Dracula will live. He will live in the castle of a giant. There is also, even though the island is pretty well deserted, ah like other than a Dracula, a witch, a monk, a sorcerer,
00:46:26
Speaker
and a couple other monsters, dwarf, a dwarf, an antique shop owner. And then that's what I was going to say. And then an antique shop opener who doesn't even do you the courtesy of being open, uh, for like all day, the antique shop opens later in the game.
00:46:43
Speaker
And it's like, You know, ah like, ah this isn't an original observation, it's just like, you know, yeah my my my man, gotta move. Like, this just does not seem like a place where you could really make a lot of sales. But maybe antiques that he has are of such high quality that people come and and seek him out.
00:47:10
Speaker
Maybe so. mean, he did have a genie lab. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Who doesn't love a genie lamp? ah You ain't never had a friend like me. Now, i have ah I have a clip here ah from the AGD game of ah the voice of Possum, who's their little red riding hood ah character.
00:47:32
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And it I literally, i just have this clip because this voice made me laugh. Excuse me, Possum? Yes, Graham. I was wondering, could you tell me anything about this land? You mean Kanima?
00:47:47
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There is a town to the northeast and church not far south of that Yeah, see, it like, in and i and now I remember also why I picked it. is It kind of illustrates in the AGD version, they add, like, a full town.
00:48:05
Speaker
Yeah. ah there's There is a town ah in it and with like people that walk around and like a couple characters in it that you interact with.
00:48:16
Speaker
And so like it does... like that's what as i as I said, one of the things of the AGD version is is that they they try to take all of...
00:48:30
Speaker
the various disparate parts of, of two and kind of weave it into a ah solid narrative, uh, which is a very interesting exercise.
00:48:44
Speaker
Does it mostly work? Are they able to pull that? I haven't played that one. So, all right. Jess, I think you should play it. ah should play it. Because... Here's what I'll do, Ben. i will play it next on my stream. All right. Great. I think you'll have Here's... So, here's the thing.
00:48:59
Speaker
I played... First off, I played that right when it came out. Mm-hmm. In... Whenever that was. 2005 or 2006. And... like five or six um and i It was really exciting because it was a brand, like it was this, this King's Quest game and it was like the, the, the remake of King's Quest one was an interesting exercise in to me, like, i yeah you know, it was, it was not,
00:49:39
Speaker
ah something I was thrilled about. Like, it was just kind of like, yeah, I don't, I don't, neat, you know, like I played it. Cool. Neat. Like, and, you know, not to say like, because there was a lot of love and hard effort into it. I'm not trying to put it down. But Ben just wasn't that impressed.
00:49:56
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No, I was just like, neat. and then this ah two comes out and it is like, they're trying to present it as this is a, like a brand new, like King's quest.
00:50:11
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A re-imagining of a classic. Uh, what, the I I have I have some problems with it and you'll like you know I don't want to but certainly one of the things that I think that the the AGD King's Quest 2 does well is that it does have it feels like a game that actually came out between five and six
00:50:47
Speaker
Okay. And they even go as far as to to give you the ah King's Quest 5 and 6, like, gray, like, stone wall logo, like, Roman numerals thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta have that. It... Like, the... It just really does have... When I was playing it this past weekend...
00:51:17
Speaker
And I played it, as I said, about two, I got two of the three stones. So was I would say about like two thirds-ish through.
00:51:30
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the yeah I felt a certain part of my brain being scratched that just enjoys like these lightly whimsical things.
00:51:42
Speaker
ah like fantasy adventures in that style I think yeah mostly like there there are certain things that don't entirely work ah for me and you know listen I can't be this is a free work that obviously has an enormous amount of incredible effort in it that stands up really well ah But like, I mean, I think the the most important thing that it did and why I went back to play it this weekend, you know, having played it a couple times ah since it was made, is that does when...
00:52:21
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like it it does when when it is at its best, it scratches ah King's Quest itch. ah Gotcha.
00:52:32
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And, i and so I think that's like, it it has that kind of corny sense of humor. that King's quest games have. And that kind of like it, it, it hits in a very intentional way.
00:52:47
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Like kind of the the corniness of King's quest, which I don't, yeah I mean, King's quest doesn't have the reputation of being like the funny one. You know, that's a, that's space quest. That's leisure suit. Larry quest for glory, you know, ah certainly a game more about humor, but i do think there's a certain,
00:53:06
Speaker
really charming corniness that runs through all of the best King's Quest games. It has fairytale humor, which isn't funny. No, it's sweet.
00:53:17
Speaker
It is. and And it worked like it worked on me when I was like a seven year old playing those games. Yeah, absolutely. And it helps me kind of get back to that that's kind of childlike mentality when I, when I go back to it now. So absolutely.
00:53:32
Speaker
I get that. Y'all, you know, I've met ah for like two decades to eventually play that You should play It's good. I think I will. you know i think I'm saying that to everyone. It's a free game that ah was made very well by people that obviously have a ton of love.
00:53:51
Speaker
yes And ah it is like a full length. I would say it's probably you you'll like on your stream. I would say probably but it's a two streamer maybe. All right. i it is it is such a, I don't know. it just has like just ah it it it feels, it makes me feel warm, but also i played it when it came out and I was still uh like yeah i think i was still a very late teenager when it came out maybe your early 20s can i ask you a question about this reimagined version yeah how buff is gram in it oh he's buff don't worry okay because i'm like in the opening of king's quest 2 like when gram walks out in front of the oh yeah he's yoked yeah he he's beefcake central over there and uh in that one yeah no i mean daddy ram
00:54:52
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ah
00:54:54
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Yes, ah precisely. um i mean, I do love this about King's Quest. I mean, we don't really get like canonically buff Graham. I feel like as a character until King's Quest five, when Josh is famously delivering all of his lines as buffly as possible as his director, as the voice director asked of him.
00:55:14
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Yeah. You can really tell, you know, yeah there's, there's a real buffness Yeah, and I think if I'm looking for a buff-style voice actor, Josh Mandel is who I turn to. i mean, yeah. you can You can hear when you listen ah like to the dialogue in in King's Quest V. There's a guy, like the the voice acting director is like, Buffer, Buffer, Buffer!
00:55:41
Speaker
Josh, Buffer! but he's like, I'm trying to take as long as possible. they no not like that. Yeah, no.
00:55:53
Speaker
You want to give it to you a little at a time, like haltingly? Yeah. um Yeah, no.
00:56:01
Speaker
but You know, I feel like we'd be remiss maybe if we don't hit on some of the the big criticisms of this game. i mean, lots of people have pointed out. We've been hitting on it.
00:56:14
Speaker
Yeah. The toxic masculinity, but beyond that. Yeah, exactly.
00:56:20
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We haven't mentioned the one major thing that everyone brings up. The bridge. The bridge. Take me to the bridge, Ben. ah All right. burn Shimmer, shimmer, shimmer, shimmer.
00:56:33
Speaker
ah So in Kings, this is legendarily one of the most kind of asshole Sierra design decisions that everyone talks about, which is that so in Kings Quest 2, the doors that you have to unlock are are across a gorge and there is a rickety rope bridge that you have to cross in order to, to cross the gorge.
00:57:13
Speaker
And you have a limited number of crosses that you can do before the bridge collapses And ah two things.
00:57:25
Speaker
One is that I don't believe, and Jesse, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't believe that the game actually indicates other than like when you look at the bridge, it just says that's one rickety looking bridge, but it doesn't say you only have one cross left or anything. Right. It doesn't even give you like a pop-up message that says like, Oh, be careful. I don't know many times you can get across this one again. you know, just is that after the seventh, if you cross, it collapses on you or it collapses after the seventh and you just can't cross which, which one.
00:58:01
Speaker
You can't remember. Can I tell you something that's a little weird? As much as I played this game as a kid, never, ever triggered the bridge collapse. That's crazy. I did that as a kid. want me to tell you why I didn't?
00:58:13
Speaker
I was so terrified of that bridge and terrified that I would fall from it. Like, you know, like, little kid... I find that Graham falling off this bridge scary.
00:58:25
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That was just like, I am never crossing this bridge unless I absolutely have to. i'm not just strolling across it for fun. I'm like, you know, this is this is only by necessity that I'm crossing this very scary bridge. So yeah, I think it actually like as a, as a young kid, like intimidated me a little bit.
00:58:42
Speaker
ah And the thing about the bridge crossings is so you have seven and that is exactly the number of times you can cross the bridge. Is that correct? Like you have, so I don't think it gets, which is to say the number of story critical crosses, think.
00:59:01
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I don't think you have an extra. So you have, three keys the first so the so you cross the bridge to to see the door for the first time to read the clue and and get the clue then you cross it again that's two then you get the the first key so that's a cross you unlock the door you get the second inscription then you cross it again that's four then you get the third key And you cross it a fifth time and then you
Challenging Puzzles: Collapsing Bridge and Snake Bridle
00:59:29
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go into. all right. So actually you get two extras, right? Yeah.
00:59:33
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Okay. Maybe. Yeah. But even then, you know, it's not clearly indicated in any kind of way you can easily. i mean, I suppose it's not a soft block. It's a very hard block in that you just straight up dive. If you haven't been saying your game, if you crossed it and oh you have your second key,
00:59:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, I mean, you could you could be way locked out of this before. yeah mean, it is ah bad choice. Like, I don't hate the idea of the collapsing bridge, but either it needs to be signposted better or it needs to have a little bit more wiggle room. Or, I mean, it really feels like it punishes players who are exploring or maybe...
01:00:11
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you forgot what the clue was, didn't write it down and want to go back and take another look at it just to make sure that you're searching for the next step of this puzzle properly.
01:00:22
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that That idea that it would punish that so mercilessly is is pretty unfortunate. ah So yeah, I mean, the bridge, I think, is probably the but part of this game that gets Roberta Williams the most flack, right? This is the thing that They even make fun of it in Freddy Farkas. One of, uh, one of the jokes I really like every time you cross the bridge, it's like, yeah, you probably don't have too many more crosses of that. Like, yeah, yeah, no, it's, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it becomes sort of part of the Sierra lore, this rickety bridge. Um, you I think the other puzzle probably that gets a lot of attention is the, um, the,
01:01:04
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poisonous snake ah that that Graham encounters after he rides a flying carpet up to this like mountain overlooking the rest of Kalima.
01:01:17
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ah You encounter a snake who is blocking your path. You need to get past it to find one of these three keys to open the door. And at this point, when you've rubbed the genie's lamp,
01:01:30
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The first time you rub it, you're gifted flying carpet to get up there. The second time you rub it, I believe you're given ah sword with a snake on the hilt.
01:01:43
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And then finally, you're given bridle, like for a horse. Oh, the bright ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the solution to this puzzle to get past this snake.
01:01:55
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Well, there are two solutions. It has multiple solutions. That's an asteroid adventure game. one you can kill it with the sword that has a snake on it. Which is fine. i mean, Graham... Yeah, snake on it. It tells... yeah This is a snake sword.
01:02:09
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It's a snake sword. It's a classic snake sword. This is a sword kill snakes. Yeah. um Or possibly it's some sort of, like, cursed snake that's been turned into a sword. It's hard to say. But the snake seems like a clue. Snake, snake. That's how I would take that hint to be.
01:02:25
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You kill it. I don't think he gives me points. You go on, you your key, whatever. ah But the optimal solution is... You enter into the parser, throw bridle on Snake.
01:02:39
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Now, this isn't the the the last stupid bridle puzzle that King's Quest will have, but more on that later. ah Yeah, you throw bridle on Snake, at which point it turns into a beautiful Pegasus.
01:02:54
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Did you figure this out as a child? Ben, did figure this out as a child, but... There's an asterisk beside my solution to this puzzle. Is there an obelix?
01:03:09
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hu um yeah ah No. Terrible. they they there there There's, yeah, this is not an honest solution because. i have a guess.
01:03:21
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Yes. Screenshot on the back of the box. Basically, yes. Not the back of the box in my case. I had an addition that had a gatefold cover yeah and on the inside of it, it showed this scene and standing where the snake was, was a beautiful winged horse.
01:03:40
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And just based on that screenshot i thought to myself okay clearly there's some way to make a horse appear on this on the screen graham doesn't seem like someone who'd just kill a snake he'll murder dracula in cold blood he won't even that's the only way to kill a dracula though really That's true. i mean, that's a really good point. He just hammers a stake right through his heart.
01:04:04
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Graham wouldn't kill a snake. That snake doesn't want to be there blocking your progress. That's just where the snake is. And there's no way to walk around him. ah So, yeah, I cheated by looking at the image on the box.
01:04:16
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And just eventually put together, it's like, I probably need to put the bridle on that snake. And if you do that, he turns into Pegasus and he gives you a sugar cube and you eat the sugar cube. And now you can make it through the poison brambles that surround Dracula's castle.
01:04:30
Speaker
Otherwise, that is a very horrible like yeah little maze to navigate it's similar it's almost like labion root monster only harder to kind of see what the path through it is last time i played it actually navigated it pretty successfully i never tried before that graham and uh pitfall harry would have a lot to talk about with their problems with coiled up poisonous snakes yeah they are just like sitting there blocking their way
01:05:01
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Pitfall Harry would probably be like, have you tried jumping over it? Yeah. Yeah. Just jump. Yeah. Yeah. Just jump. You had a hot key to jump in the first game. Why you just jump? Yeah. Like, and then Graham would be like, well, have you tried a tambourine?
01:05:16
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but ah absolutely yeah i mean you try to bridle ah pitfall harry you're you're over complicating it don't be as hard what a lot of those snakes may be pegasuses uh you know the other day i was walking i was in a uh i was wandering through the forest and i saw a snake and i was like man that's a pegasus i'd know it anywhere and i was kind of disappointed because i just really wanted to see a snake
01:05:45
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You know, if you throw a snake sword at a Pegasus, it turns it into snake. chris It works the other way around. One side of the river, you have a snake sword.
01:06:00
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and a basket of goodies.
01:06:07
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You know, I also, you know, I mentioned the stone cold murder of Dracula, who at this point in no way has threatened Graham, right? He just has something. He's up to no good. He's Kalima used to have like thousands of people in it.
01:06:22
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He's drained them off. The last person on his list is the antique store owner he's not obviously not going to go for the monk because he has a crucifix yeah and Hagatha is already her blood is it tastes like old sour cream like that's right that's canonically they say it's weird how often that comes up like every text box about just sort of drops that as a uh as a weird biographical detail Dracula is completely drained out uh this entire island and he's just like if you explore his castle enough you find a book and it has everyone's name crossed out and at the very bottom it says the antique store owner and it's like but he's waiting because it's like once he once he kills the antique store what's left he's just
01:07:07
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he's just done there are no more worlds left to conquer yeah it's like where are you gonna uh vampire uh a mermaid you can't do that it's uh no it's it's it's seawater blood it's too salty it's fish blood yeah i mean fish blood yeah he doesn't want that no yeah absolutely not i mean Why do you even think that person that's listening that was like, what about the mermaids?
01:07:33
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go What about the mermaids? You can't drink deptoons. What? You dopes. That would burn Dracula's veins. yeah Are you kidding? um You know,
01:07:46
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the Apple II version of this, the Apple II GS version of this also adds the amazing digitized
Memorable Moments: Sound Effects and Wedding Scene
01:07:52
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sound. And I love and That's why that's that why it's called GS. Great sound.
01:07:58
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Great sound. That's right. When you go to like confront Dracula and murder him for a key, that you never try asking him for, you're never just like, Hey, Drac, can I give you some of these great treasures I've found around Kalima in exchange for your key? Oh, yeah you have to give them to your beautiful future wife.
01:08:14
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It doesn't do anything. just, yeah, you go murdered. But when he hops out of his coffin in the digitized sound of the Apple IIgs, he makes a wonderful blah, blah, blah, blah sound. And it's all that's so good.
01:08:29
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a a but bla blah blah blah blah and then like when he gets a hold of you if he catches you he drinks your blood it makes this incredible slurping sound goes oh my god beauty is so cool computers can do anything computers can really just do it like it's just so great peers could just do it yeah you know i mean look at what they did with the palette when you go through the final door all of a sudden looks like the orange julius planets
01:09:00
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The sky is orange. The water is purple. The sand is blue. This blew my mind as a kid. Like for me, I loved it. It was just like, yes, this looks like I've gone through a magical door to an even more magical place. And for me, there's just like sold. You got me Roberta Williams.
01:09:22
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I will buy King's quest three without, without question. ah yeah It won me over completely. yeah no i i uh it is it it is funny just how like swapping like just making the sky a different color and like just just kind of swapping around like the colors just makes it uh look just so insane it ah it it really like
01:09:56
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it It just looks really cool. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's really psychedelic. And especially once you're like fishing for a talking fish out of the purple ocean and things. Yeah. I mean, it it gets trippy in this part at a time when I was too young to know.
01:10:11
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like what trippy meant um i mean this it turns into like a black light poster yeah i was about to say that or like a like a velvet painting yeah yeah um i mean this is also a game that has the batmobile in it um an easter egg in hagatha's cave for that i had no idea what an easter egg was then i thought that the first time i triggered that I thought that I was having a mental break and then thought I'd imagine seeing it.
01:10:39
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ah At the time, you nowadays, you want to see the Batmobile, you just go on and off the screen. I loved that too. The very first time I saw the Batmobile in it and it plays. It blew my mind. i I'm just like, and that's exactly like the type of kind of silly and corny humor. It does like where you're just like, it's like, look, it's a Batmobile because there's a cave and has a bat on it.
01:11:03
Speaker
Of course there's a Batmobile in there. All caves with bats on it have Batmobiles. Yeah, that's just math. That's right. That's just math, folks. I mean, as we're sort of drawing to a close here, I want ask you one final question. have another two hours to go. Okay, well then please continue. Yeah, yeah,
01:11:21
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So... right, no, sorry. Please go ahead. ben can we talk about... graham and valanice's wedding ceremony oh yes we can i know what you're going to talk about because even though i didn't play this to its conclusion it does uh it does have something that is very funny I mean, it's got a lot going on. I mean, first of all, King Graham is wearing a suit and not like a suit of armor or a regal kingly suit. He's just wearing like a tuxedo ah from our world. I got to look this up.
01:12:05
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yes quest to yeah last scene yeah wedding wedding scene maybe yeah he is i can send you a link to it too as you as you're looking at this because i'm staring at it right now so he's wearing i got it i got it okay yeah he's wearing just like a normal earthican suit And this was at the church. This is at the church, at the Christian church ah where the Francis.
01:12:33
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There's a huge cross right in the center. Yes. Yes. um She's wearing sort of a white David's bridal gown, ah throw bridal gown on girl.
01:12:44
Speaker
ah And then in attendance, Ben, can you explain to me? it's every It's everyone that lives in Kolyma, which is to say the people that are in attendance are King Neptune, ah mermaid, Hagatha, Dracula, who did not die. He's back. Like a dragon dragon.
01:13:14
Speaker
That's the dragon from King's Quest 1. Yeah. I was like, there's, oh, there's a shark. I missed the shark. Yeah. ah Then we have, ah we have the enchanter and a dwarf.
01:13:28
Speaker
We have ah like an ogre who I believe is also from King's Quest 1. Is that correct? He's giant up in the land of the clouds. Oh, that's right. Okay. We've got a little red riding hood, granny and the wolf all in an aisle sitting together.
01:13:43
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And then i don't know who are those people in the, the front row on the left. i don't know who they are. Well, I'm not sure who the woman is unless that is the fairy from the first game.
01:13:59
Speaker
The fairy god some fairy godmother. that supposed to maybe be like... That is King Edward beside her. That's King Edward? Which, i mean, he's got a crown on. He's got a white beard.
01:14:11
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i was like, oh, maybe that's Valenise's i think father. is there But he would be standing, like he'd be get like walking with her to give her away. Yeah, I think that is King Edward. Let's see. if I like to pull up a picture King Edward for comparison here, because this is going to raise a lot of questions, right? If King Edward is alive, is Graham's entire administration implicated in some way by this? Okay, let me see here.
01:14:42
Speaker
No, you know, I'm looking at a picture. Wait, that's on the Amiga. That's not Canon. ah Let me get a picture of the true IBM PC Jr. version.
01:14:52
Speaker
Now, you know, now that I'm looking at it, Edward does have a white beard, but the crown isn't gold. And in King's Quest 1, the palette for his skin is a little bit different.
01:15:06
Speaker
So maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe that's supposed to be the mother and father of the bride. Do we know that Valanice is royalty? I think she's supposed to be. i don't know. i mean, I would hope so.
01:15:18
Speaker
um Also, I just found out that the King's Quest to AGD came out in 2002. two thousand Wow. i Wow. Googling around for this anyway.
01:15:32
Speaker
But this is a wild wedding scene. yeah A lot of these people are people who not long ago wanted Graham dead. Others themselves should be dead by this point. yeah It's a lot to process.
01:15:44
Speaker
Let's see. I just. Yeah. And of course, this is a wedding in the eyes of God, ah specifically ah the Christian God.
01:15:55
Speaker
in whose name they've just been married. So yeah All right. Any, any final thoughts on then King's quest too.
01:16:07
Speaker
i feel like, you know, story-wise puzzle wise, it is ah step forward past King's quest one, but this series, I feel like isn't quite fully baked yet. I feel like it's in three and four that,
01:16:24
Speaker
we really see this formula refined into something that, uh, that, that really guides the remainder of the series. I, you know, but i do think that this one manages to do some things that, yeah, i mean, it's wildly ambitious compared to, to the game that came before it.
01:16:43
Speaker
And in that sense, I think, uh, that's some pretty neat stuff. It's a gorgeous looking game. Uh, and yeah, for me as a kid, this is you know, with no Kings quest two, there's probably no quest quest. And can you imagine living in a world like a terrible world? It would be all right. What a terrible sliding doors scenario. That would be.
01:17:03
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