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Quest for Glory 2
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Ben & Jess discuss Shapier, pun-loving gnomes, and a cat dance that definitely Activated some players.
Quest Quest podcast is Ben Vigeant and Jess Morrissette.
Editing by Ben Vigeant
Show art by Kevin "WilcoWeb" Wallace
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Transcript
Introduction & Theme Song Discussion
00:00:44
Speaker
It's Quest Quest, the adventure game podcast. You know, I was just holding out because I love that second part where the drum like comes in right towards towards the like the end of that. Like I know there there's part of me ah that that just also, i you know, I love pushing it. I love pushing it as far as I can.
00:01:06
Speaker
I wish you could all see Ben's face like the longer the theme song goes. He's this maniacal grin. He's not joking, by the way. No, this is joking. That is real.
00:01:16
Speaker
This isn't just the character. This is just the person telling you that Ben, the person, can't get enough of that. He's not doing a jest.
Springtime and Cats
00:01:24
Speaker
um How are doing, Jess? ah Just fine. How about you?
00:01:29
Speaker
Oh,
00:01:34
Speaker
man. Already the boo birds are out. It's spring and the boo birds are in the trees. Speaking of ah boo birds, how... ah how how are your cats doing?
00:01:49
Speaker
And ah this connection is, you know, because cats love to watch. Like I, my, my new home that I've now been in for, I would say about a month now, uh, uh, like has like a good view into like a little courtyard with a bunch of, uh, trees that the,
00:02:06
Speaker
cats love watching the like the spring birds coming in uh how are your cats doing how's blood clone i don't know if we've talked about manco clone in the podcast maybe i'm not sure if we have either you know blood clone is uh is our sweet uh little kitten uh she is a uh almost a year old now uh she was born with uh pituitary dwarfism so she was a little tiny girl and with ah with some special therapy ah has grown now into a big fearsome girl who is an absolute terror and we love her to death. But ah but she's enjoying it. I mean, she is spending a lot of time
00:02:46
Speaker
just running, we have our couch up against a windowsill in our living room. So she spends a lot of time just like running back and forth across the back of the couch in the windowsill, watching all the birds outside.
00:02:57
Speaker
ah our Our outdoor cat, we have an outdoor cat by the name of Weeble, who is a fearsome hunter. He has claimed his his first prey of the season, unfortunately. So yeah, he's he's out there doing his thing.
00:03:16
Speaker
uh how about jacks you forgot you forgot you have one more cat jacks is more of a leisure cat um he is he is really just resting up for the next stage and we don't know right now what the next stage is how how old is jacks uh he's about nine years old so too early to be like retired yeah no he's not he's got he's got a A good long cat life ah still yeah built to come.
00:03:49
Speaker
He's really, as we've been having more food in the house for the kitten, Jax has been cultivating a lot of additional mass over the past several months. So i he's getting a hold of some kitten wet food and there's nothing more delicious than a can of wet food when you're living off that dry food.
00:04:09
Speaker
I, so... My, uh, so I have two cats. I have Kira, who is a, a grain black tabby who I've had, ah these, uh, a pandemic cat. I got him in 2020.
00:04:22
Speaker
It's five years old. Um, and I have Teddy who is two years old now. Now that think about it. And I've met these cats and they are great cats. You, I, uh, you haven't met Teddy.
00:04:33
Speaker
Oh, I didn't meet Teddy. You haven't met Kira. I thought, you're oh, wow. That's right. When was, i i was, Because Teddy's gotcha day was i was in April.
00:04:48
Speaker
So let's see here. what if What if I'm discovering right now that today is Teddy's... Oh, no. ah No, it was a week ago. Okay, good. Sorry, Teddy. Teddy, if you're listening, I'm sorry, Daddy.
00:05:01
Speaker
Forgot your special day. Yeah, that's fine. um i I got Teddy on the 13th of April. So now I've had Teddy for... Over a year, um,
00:05:12
Speaker
ah And he's an orange without a thought in his mind. good they're Good. Good, good, good. Now, but, ah but he, he um, uh, spent some amount of time on the street.
00:05:27
Speaker
and like he has a knocked ear, which means like, that's like he was a cotton release, but he's so friendly and like, you know, like he's a lab cat. He's a hardcore lab cat.
00:05:39
Speaker
And so like, you know, he's not like Kira who has never been like out on the streets is way more an asshole and like bitey and fighty and clawy than Teddy is like a a total sweetheart.
00:05:58
Speaker
Um, but, uh, Teddy's thing from, I'm going to assume from being out on the streets, but maybe it's just that he's a hungry boy, is that, especially when I first got him, he's stopped doing this now, is that he would eat all of, like, he would vacuum up all of his food.
00:06:16
Speaker
And Kira, who has always lived in the lap of luxury, ill and because that's that's what I give him. Oh, no. uh kira just has like a little bite of food and then he walks away and then he comes back and then he has another bite and then he comes back and so well what would happen is that teddy would eat all of his food and then move over to kira's and then eat all of kira's food uh then ah then uh come and take your lasagna yeah just yeah and then he took my lasagna and then he sent kira to abu dhabi yeah and then there's that one time he was smoking a pipe and and
00:06:57
Speaker
And like, you know, and and we don't talk about my old roommate, Lyman. um but not enough But I've had to get a Kira chip feeder because Teddy and and the thing is, is that not only does Kira have a chip feeder, which is if if you're listening and you don't know what that is, it's like a protected feeder that it reads like the pet chip in Kira's neck. And so he puts his neck under it and then it opens up the the bowl so he could eat it.
00:07:30
Speaker
Ben is running a cyber dystopia for cats out of his home. But ah so so, I have that, but then the thing is, is that then Teddy will just wait until Kira goes up to it, puts his neck under it and starts eating and then just stick like, and then just come from the other side and then stick his face right into the plate and like start eating there too.
00:07:55
Speaker
And so I've had to construct that. like walls, like the recycling bin and the trash bin and it's pressed up against the wall. Like, it's like, I've had to construct this elaborate thing to prevent Teddy from stealing Kira's food. Because he's a monster. mean, this is the problem monster with these systems. It's like, you know, when Apple first introduced, you know, you can unlock your phone with your face. And like my mom, who's a major boomer is like, you know, what if someone like cuts my face off and uses it to get into my phone?
00:08:26
Speaker
uh you know these technologies have your mom just seen face off was your mom was your mom actually doing a face off don't know that yeah was your mom doing like a nicholas cage marathon And she was also really worried about the security of the Declaration of Independence. yeah She kept bringing that up. It's like, what happened if someone stole the Declaration of Independence? Or, you know, if there was a flight full of convicts up in the air. And I was like, Mom, are you just watching a lot of Nicolas Cage films? But she'll never tell.
00:08:59
Speaker
Yeah.
King's Quest II Fan Remake
00:09:00
Speaker
ah Well, you know there is one thing I'd like you to tell me, Jess. that's, you playing? What have you been playing? Wow, Ben, I'm so glad you asked that because i have been playing a game on my stream that you recommended and you told me, Jess, I think you're gonna love this game.
00:09:19
Speaker
And you could not have been more correct. I've been playing the fan remake of King's Quest II, the VGA remake developed by...
00:09:31
Speaker
AGD Interactive. I think it was originally released in 2002. Yeah, it was called Tierra at the time. It didn't have the Taki because I downloaded it at that time.
00:09:45
Speaker
Yeah. And then like right now, the version that you would download, which is version... I think like 3.0. I think like this final, like the final version was released out into the world in 2010.
00:10:02
Speaker
Yes. And I played this for the first time over the past few weeks after we did our King's Quest 2 episode. You told me how much you thought I would enjoy this. King's Quest II is a game that I love.
00:10:13
Speaker
And I have to say, this remake really blew me away. Sometimes I'm a little bit picky when it comes to fan games. This one was just an absolute delight. The level of professionalism and production value for an indie game made in the early 2000s, and I guess refreshed in 2010,
00:10:39
Speaker
is just startling. You know, a lot of people know about this game already. It expands on the story of King's Quest 2. switches some things up. It subverts some of your expectations here and there. But the the bones of this story, it's still King Graham and Search of Valenice and True Love and all that. All the all the the main beats are there, but switches things up a lot. It was just...
00:11:02
Speaker
an absolute joy to play. it reminded me of a lot of the things that I loved about King's Quest 2 while also delivering some pleasant surprises along the way. So highly recommend this to you and who hasn't had a chance to play it yet.
00:11:13
Speaker
Definitely, Ben, you were right on the money. This game was absolutely for me. What and thank you, Jess. It was a lot of fun watching you stream it. And I think what the trick is with this is that in many ways,
00:11:34
Speaker
it really nails the feel more often than it doesn't. Right. Like, and I, you know, and I'll be a little critical of it.
00:11:45
Speaker
It's been out for over 10 years over 10, over 20 years. Yeah. So it's like, I don't feel like that, that bad. Like, you know, I, I try to withhold like, you know, too much criticism from like a free game, like a fan game.
00:12:02
Speaker
It's a labor of love. Like, you know, here it comes. But no, but, but it's Like it's been out for over 20 years. Like it's, it's gotten all of its, uh, uh, fucking laurels. Like fine.
00:12:16
Speaker
Strap in gang. Ben's got something to say. but But what I would say is that it's like, I love it this game. I think what is like,
00:12:28
Speaker
When it's at its absolute best, it feels like it has, and I think I said this on the podcast when we talked about it, it feels like a King's Quest game. It feels like a King's Quest game that would come out after five and before six.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yes.
00:12:48
Speaker
Like, I would say it...
00:12:54
Speaker
what it does, like at its best, it nails the feel without feeling sweaty. And when it like kind of falls down for me and I kind of like roll my eyes and go fan game is when it's like a little, like it's a little too interested creating like a massive continuity scaffold, which is very Spanish.
00:13:20
Speaker
Oh yeah, I mean, the little bit of fan fiction I've written in my life is all about, know, how can I connect these two threads from a property I love with the thinnest of thread between just any connection I can make and try to have fun.
00:13:39
Speaker
And it does delve into it. mean, King's Quest fans are obsessed with this idea the Black Cloak Society. it delves into that. And those are the parts of that honestly work a little bit less for me. But then when it's at its best, you're right, it just feels like I'll think King's Quest. It has the corny humor that King's Quest V has, which is a very odd kind.
00:14:00
Speaker
Like, King's Quest V in particular has an odd sense of humor in that it's not... super funny or super witty, but there are lots of like nice little chuckles that you might get out playing King's Quest V. And I feel like this one hits that tone beautifully most of the game.
00:14:19
Speaker
And yeah, for me, that was it was real joy. I mean, i could have imagined this being a legitimate Sierra game, which I couldn't say about most fan games I've played. And I think that was the aim. I think, like, the the aim, like, i like i don't I don't know anything about the development of this this other than that they put a lot into it, is that one gets the sense playing it that their number one objective was to make it feel like a real King's Quest game. Yes. And not... like some sort of adjunct or something else, but make it really, really feel like a King's Quest game. And at that, it succeeds. It's just like, it's just like when when it gets very referential to yeah like other stuff, I kind of roll my eyes. Like, I mean, spoiler alert, I don't need to see a brief cameo from Connor from Mask of Eternity.
00:15:15
Speaker
Like that's probably not completely necessary, but there it is anyway. You know, that, I think of all its sins, that one is obnoxious, but I kind of think it's funny because they reference like the most hated game in the series. So I kind of think that's funny. Yeah.
00:15:32
Speaker
And yeah, that shouldn't be there. No, it probably shouldn't. And it resisted the ultimate like siren call of any King's Quest fan property. which is it didn't overdo the Cedric thing.
00:15:46
Speaker
Like, you know, that is low-hanging fruit. And I say that as someone made a King's Quest fan game that shows an owl logo every time someone dies. So that is absolutely low-hanging fruit. And this game didn't go there too often. So kudos for them.
00:16:03
Speaker
Yeah, I have so much more I could say about it, but like we already have a podcast on King's Quest 2. So it's like- Go back and listen to it. Our archives are free. Yeah. yeah so like yeah I guess the thing I'm wondering though, Ben, why what are you wondering?
00:16:19
Speaker
I've just been wondering, what have you been playing?
Vaporwave Pinball & Pinball Nostalgia
00:16:25
Speaker
Well, Jess, a friend of the pod, Mike, gifted me a code.
00:16:33
Speaker
They know that I am a pinball fan. They gifted me a code for the game Vaporwave Pinball. I think, uh, you know, regular listeners of this podcast know I'm, uh, a pinball, a pinball head. ah real pinball wizard.
00:16:51
Speaker
You know, does anyone ever say that in the pinball community? Uh, does that ever come up? Here, here's something I'll, I'll offer to the listeners for free. People who, who play pinball hate it.
00:17:03
Speaker
What? No way. ha, ha, ha. At first, I'm surprised I'm not the first person to think of it. yeah The second of all, that people would hate that? No way.
00:17:17
Speaker
But anyway, Vaporwave Pinball is like, it is exactly what it is on the tin. It is pinball game that is in like those, like that that CGA four color, like the CN magenta,
00:17:38
Speaker
and like with kind of chill backgrounds of like a Roman statue like a pool and stuff like that. It all looks like it's it's a very aesthetics heavy game.
00:17:52
Speaker
And like, this is very specific. This is, I felt like I was called out in the description here. if you look at the description on Steam, which by the way, this game is $5, which is, you know, that's, Jess, you said, I think like two weeks ago, that that's your, like, I would get that and not be disappointed if I, you know, didn't like it.
00:18:14
Speaker
Yeah. But one of the things in the description is bullet point. Less for pinball simulation fans and more for chill, comma flow state pinball fans. Yes. I am so thoroughly called out by that because I have like, you know, I, if it if it is a pinball simulation, I have very specific uh, needs, not even wants needs.
00:18:47
Speaker
Yes. Um, and a degree of fidelity. I imagine it's not even fidelity in physics is one thing, ah but also it's like how, like the design of a table, uh, the rules, uh, uh, like,
00:19:04
Speaker
There's a lot to, like, for example, I don't like most, I would, in fact, I would say all. i there's There's very few Pinball FX original tables I think are good.
00:19:18
Speaker
I think the majority of them are poor.
00:19:22
Speaker
So this, these are very simple tables. Like there's no ramps there. They're just like these 2D tables. there's There's stuff to do on them. It's not that you're not doing anything. Like you have like objectives beyond scoring.
00:19:38
Speaker
Like you can modify the table. Like there there's interesting growth and the tables change in interesting ways. But what it reminded me of and this is in a good way, is like of the tables, like this aesthetic, especially because you're dealing with like that, that CGA color palette on the tables specifically, it reminds me of playing Bill Budge's pinball constructor.
00:20:07
Speaker
i'm cc julia I'm so glad you said that because I was getting ready to break in with the exact comment. I'm looking at screenshots of this yeah and part of it is simple 2D tables. yeah The other part of it is the CGA color palette.
00:20:19
Speaker
It is giving me massive pinball construction set vibes. Did you have that? did. It was one of the earliest games ever owned. It was probably got it within a few months of King's Quest 2 with my first computer.
00:20:31
Speaker
That... I love it. Love it. Like, that was probably one of the things that was like a brick on, like, in the the road towards me becoming pinball. Like, I played that because what's great about it was, was I was probably playing it age four, and I was making, like, pinball tables because it's like, it had a what-you-see-is-what-you-get, like, table designer, and it was drag and drop.
00:20:55
Speaker
Yeah. Like we had a little joystick for our PC junior that you could like do all of it. It was like so easy that like a five-year-old could make a pinball machine in it.
00:21:08
Speaker
And these look like they are. Yeah. As you said, they're it's giving Bill Budge. Yeah. Which also had its own vaporwave cover. That's right.
00:21:20
Speaker
Remarkably vapor. Like... Have you ever seen the original cover that came before that? Oh yeah. That looks like a tool kit. Yeah. Like, yeah. That looks like something you at Ikea, like full of pinball parts. It's two amazing covers. Two amazing covers. Couldn't be more different.
00:21:37
Speaker
The, the, the vapor wave one is, uh, for those of you who, who aren't, who don't know what it looks like. It's two like disembodied hands that are like gray or something.
00:21:48
Speaker
And like a pinball floating in the center of it. And it does have like those vapor wave colors. Yeah, it is fantastic.
00:22:04
Speaker
developers of this game ah had never played or seen ah Bill Budge's pinball constructor. It feels like it has not to be.
00:22:15
Speaker
like It just looks like it. It does. Yeah. Too much to be a coincidence, I feel like. I mean, it is, you know, it's... I'm actually looking at this and thinking about buying it because it's triggering that pinball construction set vibe for me, which, I mean, again, just such a good game.
00:22:34
Speaker
I had that vaporwave. Yeah, it was one of those EA games that came in the sleeve, like almost like an album cover rather than a box. I had that thing tacked up on my wall for a good chunk of my childhood. It looks like some sort of trippy poster you'd buy at Spencer Gifts at some level, or like a blacklight poster or something. But man, did I play the hell out of that game. And yeah, Vaporwave Pinball definitely has those vibes.
00:23:01
Speaker
Ben, I guess I would ask, like, if people want to send you more free games, ah how could they contact you? Yeah, they can contact me at quest quest podcast at gmail.com.
00:23:14
Speaker
I can be bought. We were. yeah Oh, there that wasn't that was that that wasn't on the that wasn't on the ah that was our pre pod chat where I said, if someone gave me ah me a million dollars, I would shut up for the rest of my life. Yeah.
00:23:29
Speaker
Yeah. Our topic for this week is one that I am super hyped about. I can't believe we've spent this long getting to it because this is a game I love dearly. i can't wait to talk about Ben.
Quest for Glory 2 Deep Dive
00:23:42
Speaker
We are going to be talking this week about quest for glory to trial by fire. Oh, Oh, such a game. Now, you know, it's funny. Like, you know, like we made this big deal of like, we're over we're going to play all the King's quests in order and that will like be a thing. But yeah I guess we're doing that with the quest for glory too, or quest for glory as well.
00:24:05
Speaker
ah Because you and i and it's been a minute since we talked about quest for glory once. I don't remember if we talked, I'm sure we talked about this. You and I played all of ah Quest for Glory.
00:24:18
Speaker
and tandem. Yes. On Tuesday nights, you would stream with your ah with your Dashing Rogue. And then I would follow up on Wednesday with my ah my Wizarding Pal, Wizzo.
00:24:34
Speaker
And we, we worked our way through all five quest for glory games together, essentially yeah running our own separate characters. It was, it was a real blast to get to go back and replay all of these.
00:24:45
Speaker
Yeah. And which I'd never done. I'd never taken a character start to finish. way I never even played five until it was my first time playing five. Yeah. i live on stream five And I also got this, a bad ending on five.
00:24:59
Speaker
I got a real bad ending. Talking about this is making me think, I'd do that again. Absolutely. I was thinking about this earlier today. As we were planning this episode, I thought to myself, yeah, it'd be really fun to stream quest for glory to again. I'm like, well, why would I do that? If I don't know. Yeah, glory why them yeah let's do all of them.
00:25:18
Speaker
Let's do it. That's it. i Honestly, Jess, like deal. We'll do it again. Okay. All right. Shake on it. It's happening. shook All right. We're we're doing quest for glory again. Like, there you you heard it here first.
00:25:31
Speaker
This is, and I want to be clear, this is not something we discussed ah beforehand. This is like spur of the moment on the podcast. I'm absolutely going to do this. We are going to play Quest for Glory. well we'll have We'll figure out what we're going to do to make it different. We'll we have to play different classes.
00:25:48
Speaker
Yes. One of us is going to get to be the paladin. So. Well, that's something I want to talk about to that. have to figure that out. this Yeah. All right. But Quest for Glory 2. Quest for Glory 2.
00:25:59
Speaker
Quest for Glory 2. to Ben, I think this is going to be another one of those episodes where we spend a lot of time raving about a game because I know personally Quest for Glory 2 is one of my all-time favorites. In fact, you know, i think I can say confidently that probably I like quest for glory one a little more, but for me, quest for glory two is almost neck and neck.
00:26:26
Speaker
Like these two games as a one, two punch is as strong as any two back-to-back games. I think in Sierra's catalog for me, I would agree with that. I think I like quest for glory to a little less, but I still like it.
00:26:40
Speaker
Like it's it's like, I, You know, ah i was thinking about this, like, yeah because we were talking about this when we were talking about the LucasArts games. Like, i we were talking, or at least I was talking about how, like, you look at, like, Maniac Mansion and then you look at Zach McCracken.
00:26:58
Speaker
um and you see one and it's a very like small and dense and tight first design and then a second game where it's just like all right well let's blow it out let's do everything yes and quest for glory 2 in some ways feels kind of similar to me in that it's a game where it's like quest for glory one it takes place in the sleepy town with a very small cast of characters uh there's like a small list of things that you have to do they're like it's a very compact kind of game
00:27:39
Speaker
And that's one of the things I love about Quest for Glory 1 is that it's a place. Spielberg's amazing. And we covered this extensively yeah and that Quest for Glory. mean, because, yeah, i mean, it is, it feels like a small little world, a living, breathing place. You can imagine the relationships that have existed between these characters before you came to the valley in your quest to be a hero.
00:28:04
Speaker
um Yeah, I mean, Spielberg is hard to beat as a game setting. yeah It is literally game town. And it doesn't, you know, and so, ah like quest for glory to you transplant it. And now we're from like the sleepy town to a bustling city. and And, so like there's all sorts of merchants, some characters and, uh, like there's like so much more and so much more like each,
00:28:37
Speaker
ah like each class has considerably more to do. There's ah if I were there's still like the the thieving parts are a lot more involved.
00:28:49
Speaker
the The wizard part is like, oh, my gosh, like series of puzzles. Like there's there's a lot in it. Like there's just so much more involved.
00:29:02
Speaker
And, uh, like, and, and it's successful at it where like, you know, like Zach McCracken, is like, you know, like, it feels like there's so much more but to what end?
00:29:16
Speaker
Yes, it feels like there's so much more just to have so much more at some level I feel like whereas this one. Yeah, i mean, it it expands this world in a really fascinating way. And then, gosh, it feels so open, like, you know, all the plazas in Shapir I mean, i don't even think you necessarily have to buy stuff from even all the merchants. Some of them are just there for funsies or for optional solutions and things like that.
00:29:43
Speaker
I don't even remember now. Like I didn't check when I went back and checked like i It feels very alive, though, in ah in a fascinating way. and And I think it leverages this, you know, 1001 Arabian Nights setting quite effectively. I guess we should give... Yeah, yeah. What's the plot? What's the plot of Christ for Glory 2?
00:30:03
Speaker
So the hero has been summoned ah to the land of Shapir. He's going there where the with Shima and... Oh, gosh, what's Shima's husband's name?
00:30:16
Speaker
Oh, jeez. Oh no. Oh no. We're going to get called out. Shamir. Shamir. Shamir. Yeah. Shamir. Uh, think Shamir's correct. And, uh, Abdullah do, uh, have taken us back to their homeland of Shapir where the kingdom has fallen into crisis.
00:30:36
Speaker
The, uh, the Amir has, uh, has gone missing. There is this fallen city of race here, the, the sister city of, uh, of Shapir. And once you're there,
00:30:47
Speaker
ah the city is beset by a series of elementals who begin playing the, the plazas and the corridors of this twisty Shaparian landscape.
00:31:02
Speaker
And i so One of the the major differences between Quest for Glory 1 and Quest for Glory 2 is that, and and part of what makes its world a little more rich is is that it has like, like kind of a dynamic timer.
00:31:27
Speaker
um Like things are different. Like one or two things. I don't know if every day things are different. I think they're generally the same for a lot of days, but,
00:31:38
Speaker
Like, like things change, uh, like on some days. Yeah. You'll get up one morning and they'll say there's something going on at the town Plaza hero. Perhaps you should go check it out. And it's a, a special trigger. So yeah, it's all unfolding over like a 30 day period, which I know is a frustration. This is something that game occasionally gets knocked for the idea that You're on a timer. You end up with situations where i think fewer people feel rushed by it and more people feel like they're stuck just waiting around for the next big event to trigger. Once you know the solutions, you can power through it fairly quickly.
00:32:17
Speaker
it's Sorry, it's a very generous clock. yeah As a kid, i didn't like it. And i still have a bit of this bias because like from from being a kid.
00:32:28
Speaker
As a kid, I didn't like it because in the other Quest for Glory is ah like you just kind of hang out. And that was how I liked to play the game. It's just kind of like wander around the town and like fight some monsters and Yeah. And it's just kind of a different,
00:32:50
Speaker
way that the game is like, it's not like good or bad. i like my preference goes more towards, uh, the, the kind of not like a, a strict, because the thing is, is that the things, when I say it's a dynamic timer, it's a strict timer. It's like I'm day five. This happens. It's not, this happens if you completed x Y, and Z. It's that no matter what,
00:33:19
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on day five ah the fire elemental or whichever yeah you know like and and and you don't solve it by a certain time yeah then you're gonna game over for you yeah But no, and and this is, again, think probably this is one of what I would think are maybe the two biggest knocks you hear about the game. I think that a lot of people say this timer, yeah, makes certain elements feel rushed. And then other times you're just sitting around waiting for the next thing to happen.
00:33:45
Speaker
You're going out to the desert to throw rocks and climb walls to raise your skills in this adventure RPG, or you're just like popping stamina pills so you can stay up all night to grind out talents and things like that.
00:33:59
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um The other knock probably that comes up most frequently is one that you encounter right away in the game, which is navigating the city of Shapir, which is itself something of a maze of corridors. Now, granted, this is copy protection. The game comes with a lovely map.
00:34:16
Speaker
The map that comes with it is absolutely beautiful. Oh, it is. I have, I have my boxed copy over here on the shelf. And ah the map is, is still just one of my favorite all time Sierra Phillies. I had that pinned up on my wall, right beside my bill budges pinball construction set. You know what I had a pinned up on my wall? And I wish I had and now because I'm trying to, I have a,
00:34:44
Speaker
I have a, like a spare room here and I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with it. And it's going to be like a bit of a game room. So it's like, maybe I'll put up like game stuff in there. Yeah. And i had ah When I got i got the the limited edition of ah Might Magic 6, the Mandate of Heaven, when that came out in, I think, 96, 97.
00:35:10
Speaker
And that came with every previous Might and Magic game. Like, that was what the benefit of that. And in the box, it came with the maps, like the fold-up maps.
00:35:22
Speaker
Oh. ah Like... Might Magic 1 and and 3. three And ah I, like, they were just, I didn't even really play Might and Magic 1 and 2, but, like, those maps were so, like,
00:35:42
Speaker
like they were fun fantasy maps you know like in the same way that like you open up like so any given like five dollar uh fantasy paperback and like the first like page or two is like the two-page spread of like a hand-drawn map Like, and, you know, like, they had that look ah to them. So I had those next to my bed ah when I was like a teenager because I was like, these are so cool.
00:36:17
Speaker
And you know what? I'd put them on my wall now as someone that's almost 40. so No, you should. And I mean, I will also say, Ben, I just found this today.
00:36:28
Speaker
ah The Chicago game space there in your town of Chicago actually sells prints of the Shapiro map. I don't that's an odd thing for them to sell oh I didn't know they were selling Prince of the Shapiro I knew that they were selling Prince and I need to go over there because they have ah an exhibit don't know how much longer maybe I've even missed it they have a King's Quest what are you on that page right now can you tell me yeah I think it lasts until the end of the month because I was looking at this. Yeah, I got to go over there. Yeah, no, it's let's see the King's Quest one exhibit i over at the Chicago. do April 27th. So you have a little bit longer days out there.
00:37:05
Speaker
But their shop currently has a ton of Sierra prints. You could get your own code name Iceman poster. I wonder if those are there or if it's only on the, on the, that's a good question. That's a really good question. I bet they're only on the online shop, but I don't know that. I don't know that.
00:37:20
Speaker
ah So yeah, you should definitely everyone get to the Chicago game space by your own Shapir map. But yeah, until you get the map that allows you to fast travel around this game a little more quickly, this is another knock and it's not that bad. If you have the copy protection, if you don't have the copy protection,
00:37:36
Speaker
It is very difficult to rattle walk through. I'll push back on that. It is a little confusing to navigate, even if you have... could easier. It be. Because, like, have because like you have to i it it it reorients to which way the, the hero is walking.
00:37:56
Speaker
And so like, it's not always from like a fixed point of view. And so you have to like figure out, it's like, okay, the hero is now facing East. So therefore on the map, he is going East, uh, you know, like, like, and that, that was a bit of a challenge for me as a kid.
00:38:15
Speaker
Yes. No, I mean, it is it is a little rough. And luckily you obtain a map early in the game that mostly saves you from this this trial by fire of its own. But ah no, this those are, I think, the big knocks you see on this. I will say, as I was like preparing for ah recording today, like just going back through...
00:38:37
Speaker
quest for glory to I was jotting down a list of things I love about this game like elements characters puzzles the whole bit and it is like the length of my arm ah the the number of things about this where's this list do you have this one This list, i yeah, it's right here. It's on my arm. I've had tattooed. Oh, there it is.
00:38:59
Speaker
Yeah, memento style. So tomorrow when I wake up and I don't remember what I loved about Quest for Glory 2, I can just look at my arm and and remember. I mean, right from the start, like one of the first things that always think of, of all things about Quest for Glory 2.
00:39:16
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Keep on laughing. I love keep on laughing. I'm not going to Keep on laughing. ah He is a gnome who owns the magic shop in, in Shapir.
00:39:27
Speaker
He is he sit just loud, sits on a cloud, floats around in a room, makes puns constantly little and ash anachronistic jokes keep on laughing was opening up a door in the coals uh that like once that door is open it never closed again absolutely no he is yeah in a lot of ways i mean you see some of this in quest for glory one you know there there's there's a fair share but they let me freak out yeah once keep on out
00:40:03
Speaker
Then we're in pun town for the rest of the series. Like, and, and it, like it kind of ebbs and flows. Like I would say like three, isn't that like pun heavy, but then we get gnomes in four and five.
00:40:18
Speaker
And then, um in hero you hero you is just puns of go-go it's it's just puns and puns and puns like it's like going to your uncle's house like it's it's just it's like laurie and cory i don't know if this is one or both of them i know like i i bet if you watch their twitch streams you'll know right away it's probably both of them ah like they like and keep on laughing this little gnome magical gnome that only speaks in puns and once that like once that's happened they're just like all right like now everyone knows that we're pun freaks yes and it's marvelous like i could see this being the scene for a lot of people it's like
00:41:07
Speaker
I love keep on laughing also love him too yeah yeah yeah I mean yeah that that is one of the things like when I think of quest for glory to keep on laughing is one of the first characters that jumps to mind I think about the uh the end where you're staying with uh Shima and uh Shimeen and you know mean first of all we have the nights when uh Shima dances uh I mean that is activated uh yeah that that activated some people i absolutely yeah without without a single doubt in my mind shima who is cat a catta a cat woman there's a the sexy 16 color dance that she does like a belly dance and
00:41:51
Speaker
there were there were There were some kids that that that saw that and ah ah they much like the puns, like a certain door was opened up.
00:42:04
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yeah and In some people's minds where they're like, that's what I like. Yeah. yeah No, absolutely. you know, also in in the end, you have every time you sit down for a meal, these wonderful descriptions of food that become a hallmark of the series, you know, they're serving all of these Middle Eastern and Mediterranean dishes yeah that all sound... Lots of dates, if I recall correctly. Yeah, lots of dates, lots lots of just lovingly described menu items. As a kid, yeah growing up in Appalachia, I didn't have a lot of access to to Middle Eastern or even like Greek food or anything like that. I would say that, but like, because there's also...
00:42:50
Speaker
I forgot which one, if it's in four or five, like there's like avocado sandwiches, like what avocado garlic sandwiches are in four, right? Yeah. And they're disgusting. Like yeah like that's the worst thing. It's just like this nasty green sandwich.
00:43:06
Speaker
And it's just like, yeah, like I would have avocado with garlic but between two slices of bread any day of the week. It's very filling a cup of coffee with that. That sounds wonderful. Yeah. Maybe some seedy bread.
00:43:19
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I think like you're you're you're like, yeah, well, you know, as ah a kid growing up in Appalachia, but it's like I was a kid growing up in the New new York suburbs and like that that food was ah like obscure to me. like yeah. Yeah.
00:43:34
Speaker
Like, you know, it's a very different world ah now in all the best ways. ah but I mean, you know, I speak jokingly, but like that is one of the the great ways where it's just like, I mean, you live in a, like, yeah do you live in a small town?
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah, small town. Like you've told me about like the incredible Thai restaurant in your... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a different world than where you come from. Right. As the show Different World used to say in its theme song.
00:44:07
Speaker
um But... ah sure that's the more 90s entertainment um i hear they're doing a reboot of a different world have you heard this have you heard this i i i didn't um yeah they're rebooting uh they're rebooting a different world um yes but no i mean yeah love all the cat tail stuff the um Oh man, you mentioned earlier ah the Wizards Institute, was it Technorsory or something like that? Yeah, like yeah where Techno Sorcery or something. Yeah, like yeah where where you go to be initiated into wit and you have to pass these trials that challenge you to use your magical spells and maybe more abstract and creative ways than you use them typically in combat.
00:44:58
Speaker
That sequence as a kid, especially that grand hall that you enter into that has the portraits of all the other great wizards in it. So you see Erasmus ah from the first game. You see Janesta, the fairy from King's Quest IV.
00:45:13
Speaker
yeah I love that. Like that wit segment where you're on the little path out in middle of the... cosmos why didn't uh king's quest 2 remake uh uh why didn't they work in continuity from ah like quest for glory if canonically genesta exists in You know, like if you're going to be this sounds like your fan game. This sounds like your fan game that hero hero does.
00:45:42
Speaker
ah Is that Easter egg still in it? ah Heroes shows up in, in quest for glory too. If you look at the rock, we're in quest for the original quest for glory. think so, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, but no, I mean that part really works for me. What why are some of the bits that stand out for you, Ben, when you think back about quest for glory to the first thing that really hits for me when I think about a quest for glory to, uh,
00:46:07
Speaker
is that as the last SEI Zero game, i believe it was, yeah it is, and I've been corrected on this, it's it's not technically SEI Zero, it's like SEI...
00:46:26
Speaker
one point something yeah but anyway but you know what I mean it's the last of the 16 color games uh it is absolutely gorgeous uh I think that it looks just spectacular um I I like The like that grand hall with all of the sorcerers looks incredible.
00:46:53
Speaker
They make all 16 of those colors just look really like wonderful and special, which is why like when, you know, i i did a very smart thing once, which was i I looked at the comments on like a positive review of a Crimson Diamond.
00:47:16
Speaker
the recent game in that art style where people are like why did the designer why did make it the 16 colors why'd they do that like that doesn't make any sense why'd you do that and it's just like Because games like that look great. Yeah.
00:47:37
Speaker
And like, you know, and and giving yourself that limitation ah ah allows you to like giving yourself that particular palette of 16 colors and that particular palette resolution yeah like the the folks at sierra were able to make really wonderful and beautiful looking games uh and uh quest for glory 2 i think is just wonderful i think about uh like that grand hall i also think about
00:48:13
Speaker
ah outside of ship here night when you're at that like expanse where you're looking out at the city and you see like the constellations and all the stars above chap here like it's really beautiful yeah absolutely like I think it it just has really just wonderful and jaw-dropping art from from that period like some of the best You know, and what impresses me about it, you know, we were talking about AGD's remake of King's Quest 2 earlier. Of course, they also did ah VGA remake of Quest for Glory 2.
00:48:53
Speaker
You know, when you look at their screens that are done in VGA and at a higher resolution, I don't know that really. I prefer the original.
00:49:06
Speaker
I do too. I don't know. that in some cases at a glance, I don't know if I, yeah, I do too. But at a glance, I don't even know like off the bat, if always, that you know, the, the 16 color looks so good. It competes very, ah very well against the 256 color remake of it. It is just,
00:49:24
Speaker
that well done i mean there's one games yes there's one thing that the agd remake could have done to to make it look better uh than the original and that is uh and they didn't do it they were cowards um and it's not because they were a bunch of volunteers working extremely hard um It was because they were cowards.
00:49:46
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um Is that they they didn't have faces and monsters ah based off of ah clay freaks. ah And we didn't have close-ups of characters that looked like their faces were melting off like it was the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
00:50:02
Speaker
um It is weird they chose not to do that when that is the tradition of this series. That is the tradition of the series is ah VGA remakes is that they have to have like these really freakish clay faces and monsters.
00:50:19
Speaker
Just freak ass dudes just like running around all made out of clay. Yeah, no, where are those at? i I think one of like... uh i i do think one of the reasons that the the art isn't as striking to me in in the remake and again the the remake is my preferred way like i like to play it that way because i prefer like the point and clicks on it because i'm i'm lazy and i think they did really great job
00:50:50
Speaker
I think the aesthetics on AGD's remake don't work as well for me because they, and this is like, this probably made it ah like this was probably much more straightforward when you're remaking it.
00:51:06
Speaker
is that it looks like they redrew most of the scenes ah ah in like 256 colors, as opposed to like, if you look at like Quest for Glory 1, like the VGA remake, ah like they just completely did an entirely yeah different start over refresh style. Like it wasn't that they took each scene and and redrew it, which I know...
00:51:28
Speaker
is actually a problem that a lot of people have with the quest for glory. Uh, one remake is that it's like Spielberg in the original is very bright. has this like Germanic, uh, like all the, the houses in it are these like very bright and ornate houses. And in the VGA remake, they're all like kind of run down and tired.
00:51:53
Speaker
Yeah. um And like, I think that's more a storytelling choice than it was an aesthetic choice. I think that was more a like, we're ah like kind of a looked over town and and we haven't like not that many people come here anymore.
00:52:10
Speaker
yeah they they They made it as a story choice, I think. And we're a town beset by a number of problems. Right. Yeah, no, absolutely. but ah But yeah, like, I think that's that's part of the reason.
00:52:21
Speaker
And like, but the thing is, is that they that they managed to rebuild Quest for Glory 2. in ags is a unbelievable like outrageously incredible feat yeah just building in the combat system and stats and then what you know uh expansive game this is i have to figure this was you know just an incredibly complex undertaking it like you have you go from making king's quest one and two which were the two that they had made at that up to that point and then ah you take quest for glory two which has three different classes uh with skill trees uh you have a ah day and night system
00:53:10
Speaker
ah You have a combat system, as you said. You have an honor system that unlocks a secret yeah fourth class yeah paladin. Yeah. Like you have like, there are so many complicated systems running around all at once and the thing is is that and i think we might have talked about this in quest glory one is that the sei engine was barely able to run quest for glory like it was very clear built around a sub simulator yeah
00:53:42
Speaker
Like it's incredible that they made so many good adventure games on this engine that was designed to make a submarine ah simulator.
00:53:52
Speaker
And like that, like, and, and the thing is, is like, you'll be playing like King's quest five and every once a while you'll click something and it will give you like an error message. That's like, i you're supposed to go to depth 5,000 right now.
00:54:07
Speaker
And it's like, Oh, this is a line of code that they didn't, fix Or occasionally you'll like click look on something and like a periscope will rise up out of Graham's head and it's like that's not supposed to be there.
00:54:19
Speaker
i mean you can even see it in Quest for Glory 1 when you're there at the lake and at one point like a submarine just like surfaces out of the water. I mean that's just that's just a leftover strand of code.
00:54:30
Speaker
Yeah it's like like You know, all the the Quest for Glory games, like, obviously famously for, like, bute but all of them, like, would glitch out, ah which is also why, ah you know, there's such a healthy speed running scene around them.
00:54:48
Speaker
Did you watch so though it's ah the One Short Eye? haven't yet. I need to. I'm very excited about this. Everyone be sure to check out the YouTube channel, One Short Eye. ah fantastic channel about speedrunning, mostly Sierra games, the history of speedruns, how they evolved for these games over time.
00:55:07
Speaker
One of my favorite YouTube channels. And yeah, ah they just released a ah video about Questrigori 2 speedrunning that I've only heard wonderful things about. Yeah, I i had some time.
00:55:19
Speaker
have only ever enjoyed those so i know i'll have a good time because speed running is mystifying and seemingly magical to me and just watching how people do this is uh is my i could never get into speed running if there wasn't someone out there who was kind enough to explain to me what i'm seeing yeah And that's what one short ad does for me. But yeah, the Quest for Glory 2 speed running community alive and well.
00:55:46
Speaker
ah Absolutely. But this is a gorgeous game. Great music, of course, also. But most Sierra games from this era have very impressive musical scores. I mean, that that was an area where Sierra was really leading the industry at the time. And Quest for Glory 2 is no exception.
00:56:04
Speaker
I think this one has my favorite combat system real ever. i don't I don't like either of the combat systems, either in the original or the remake. I don't i love the original. I love the numpad.
00:56:16
Speaker
Like now you can do like different lunges forward. You have you some dodges that are they put on that. I mean, it feels a little bit more... three-dimensional to me than the Quest for Glory 1 combat did.
00:56:30
Speaker
Like, i actually used to enjoy it. I would go to the Adventurer's Guild every day to go train with Uhura and do the sparring with her and everything.
00:56:42
Speaker
And that was I enjoyed the combat enough that that was actually a highlight out of the game for me. It's like every morning this is my hero woke up. It's like, it's time to do my combat training and grind out some stats there. And I would just stand and dodge and parry and dodge and parry until I ran out of stamina and eventually just go for the ah kill from there. But I liked this combat system a lot.
00:57:02
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. oh maybe I'll enjoy more when we do the, the, the, the replay. And when did we both do the AGD remake or we did, we both did the AGD. That will have to be one of the changes. We'll both have to play the original.
00:57:17
Speaker
Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. That's good. that you know that's That's a good start. ah So the combat's not for you though. No, but you know what? Like I'm willing to give it another try. Um, yeah,
00:57:28
Speaker
Here's here's a question for you. How do you feel about the end game sequence in Razier? Because that is I would, like, for me, like, beyond, like, the timer stuff, which is just like, oh, that's a choice that they made.
00:57:46
Speaker
I didn't love it at the, like, when I played it as a kid. But now I get it. And it's kind of dynamic. It's interesting. But it's um not my favorite choice they made. But, like, I don't hate it. um But is the whole Razier sequence, when you get like it the the end game, the the final segment of the game is in this like sister city, this mirror city to Shapir, which is like dilapidated and corrupt. Totalitarian.
00:58:11
Speaker
Yeah. Like it's a Casablanca Maltese balcony kind of vibe with a lot of the story there. Yeah. i will say this is an area where I think, Quest for Glory 2 has always let me down a bit.
00:58:25
Speaker
Yeah. In the sense that I think as a kid, i just should remember the first time I played this and I finally took that caravan Rassir and the caravan bit is wonderful. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And the big battle, the scene of him like standing atop all the enemies he's just slain triumphantly yeah is, is wonderful.
00:58:44
Speaker
But I think as a kid, I thought it's like, all right, I'm in Rassir. which of course is just a jumbled up version of the word Sierra. um I once I arrived in Resear, I thought, Okay, this is now time for part two of the game.
00:59:01
Speaker
And i assumed i was at the halfway point. And in fact, you're like at the three quarters, if not a little bit more point, I feel like maybe That doesn't bother me as much. Yeah. just I think that was just my misperception as a kid.
00:59:16
Speaker
And it just felt like it wasn't quite as fully baked. I mean, it's an emptier city. There's not as much to do in it. And that kind bummed me out as a kid.
00:59:26
Speaker
The, the problem with Razier to me I mean, honestly, now that think about it, if you if you look at it as a game that's, like, just kind of building on what they did in one, Razier isn't, like, another city. It's, like, going to the Brigands Fortress in one. Yes, that's true. Because...
00:59:46
Speaker
Like what i i don't love about the Razier part, like when like I think about my last full playthrough of it, is that like the game switches being like intensely linear.
01:00:02
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yes absolutely and like it it essentially just becomes like a sierra adventure game and like it it it switches from like this open world with a timer but like this kind of open world to this very like it's like you do this you do this you do this you do this like it's like a railroaded from bit to bit yeah i mean yeah it's it's ah It's a different pace.
01:00:27
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And like, and that's a miss. And it's also it's weird that like, all of a sudden, it like intensely just becomes a straight Casablanca parody.
01:00:41
Speaker
Like, it's not even like a little bit subtle. Like, it's not because like every other game, including the rest of Quest for Glory 2, like has like, you know, like in Quest for Glory 1, there's the Three Stooges. And in Quest for Glory 2, there's the Marx Brothers.
01:01:02
Speaker
Oh my God. i love the Marx brothers in this game. Such a delight. Like they're the Marx brothers. Allie Chica. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And then you see Harpo just kind of wandering around honking horn at point. Oh man. And ah like, and that's a lot of fun.
01:01:19
Speaker
And then like when it just like kind of pivots into the, you're just in a straightforward parody of Casablanca, like, as opposed to like a little taste of it.
01:01:30
Speaker
Like, it's just like, now you're playing a adventure game. That's like silly Casablanca. Like that bumps me, you know, like it bumps me. Like the, the tone is, is off in, in my opinion.
01:01:42
Speaker
Well, especially when you get a little bit further into this and you're now in like the end game, it's like now the stakes are super high. It's like, you know, maybe we're summoning some sort gem that's going to destroy this whole kingdom. You know, we we ran to out of these, the sorcerer, who's their big bad guy here.
01:02:00
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um You know, then all of a sudden it's like, well, it feels like maybe we're summoning and dark ancient one. And that feels bad. But yeah, like it just is like preceded by this.
01:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, again, just straight up, you know, aping of Casablanca. And yeah, that that part is a little bit less exciting. But Ben, by that same token, there's a naked lady.
01:02:23
Speaker
I'm making a face right now. is. Like, ooh la la. Yeah, no, I mean, we have this scene where if you were smart enough, Ben, if you were smart enough back and keep on laughing's magic shop.
01:02:35
Speaker
I'm making faces again. No one sees us by making hilarious faces. to Yeah, I mean, it is absolutely hilarious. Yeah, this is laughing. He just keeps pushing the mute button. Yeah, and which is hard because I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's how hard I'm laughing. um
01:02:55
Speaker
ah that's great audio uh that's good that must have been very upsetting but you know like if you bought those x-ray specs uh you eventually find a woman who needs to escape uh racer and if you put on those x-ray specs ben while she's changing clothes you can see her all leisure suit larry naked style i'm making a face again Yeah, I mean, and talk about my my my, my, my, my. Yeah, the ultimate compliment you can pay ah in this sort of instance of pixelated nudity. I mean, this game, guess what I'm trying to say, has it all.
01:03:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's good. i mean, that's the problem. It's a good game. i was It's so good that while we were talking about it, we decided that we are going to play it again, ah which I think, you know, there's no no better compliment.
01:03:53
Speaker
um That is the highest compliment we give. Now, Ben, I do want to say, you know, as we're hashing out this agreement, but ah I don't know if I'm committing to Quest for Glory 5 again. I also have that thought, and I'm...
01:04:06
Speaker
i'm i'm Here, there's, there's, there's, there's a couple things. First off, we have to talk about, we're, we're now on the road. We're going to talk about Quest for Glory on this podcast. So maybe we'll, we'll reopen.
01:04:21
Speaker
Uh, but also, I think that's a bridge we'll cross when we get there because we're not going to play them all in a row and quest for glory five is better than its reputation, which we're going to talk about on our podcast.
01:04:37
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Like there's just a lot.
01:04:40
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it's exactly i mean it's also a pain he has to get running and it is is even worse to get it to stream like it's just such a pain in the ass of it in my playthrough i just let somebody murder rakeesh too and i still feel really bad about that i just like stood there and like watch somebody like throw a poison dagger i was like ah sucks to be you rakeesh yeah so and i i got this like a bad ending in it so it's like i feel like we both probably should replay five just so we get a better ending at the end of mine uh it was so weird the baron uh von spielberg showed up and actually revoked my hero spielberg status uh the sultan from quest for glory 2 said i was no longer his son ah but all the women that i met through the
01:05:28
Speaker
Yeah. From all the women I'd met through the series, like walked up and just slapped my hero in the face. It was yeah. i mean, I got it like the worst ending of that game. i We're going to have a podcast about quest for glory five.
01:05:41
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. That'll be what, what, what do we think? Like early 2027? Yeah. Early for that one. Yeah. 2027. Be ready fairquest for quest for glory five podcast. But no, I mean, I think this speaks volumes to the charm of, of Quest for Glory Quest for Glory two that we've talked about today, that it's hard for me to like look at screenshots of this game and talk about
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01:06:07
Speaker
some of these segments. I mean, oh my goodness, the Julenar that with ah with the tree lady out in the desert.
01:06:15
Speaker
So much about this game is just so incredibly charming to me. The fact that we want to have the payoff. I've got to play this again in Quest for Glory five. What was that?
01:06:25
Speaker
Don't you want to have the payoff of the Julian subplot and quest for glory five? I mean, I guess, ah I mean, i told the apothecary about her in quest for glory three. Isn't that enough?
01:06:38
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, here's the other thing, gang. out' heres Here's a quick preview of our Quest for Glory 3 episode. Quest for Glory 3 is pretty good. It's a lot better than its reputation.
01:06:49
Speaker
ah These games in general are just pretty good games. Yeah. The worst Quest for Glory is still not too bad. Uh, but anyway, I mean here for like, like a nuanced exploration of the pros and cons of the quest for glory series.
01:07:04
Speaker
I don't know if you're likely to get that on our episodes about quest for glories one through four. Um, I'm afraid these might just be good games gang. Yeah. All right.
01:07:15
Speaker
Well, we wrapped it up. I think that's that. I think we got it. We did it. I think we got it. Ben, if you had to rank Quest for Glory 2 against some of your favorite LucasArts adventure games, yeah um like if you put it head to head with Monkey Island 2, how does it do?
01:07:33
Speaker
This is like, these are just completely different games, you know, like they're they're not but like two in the title. So they have a lot in common.
01:07:45
Speaker
space quest six yeah space quest six i think it's space quest six i'd pick that one fair enough fair enough like don't know here first they're both good games that are like completely different it's like what would you like what what what's your favorite uh uh piece of clothes uh a boot or uh like a jacket like jacket yeah all right. Well, there you go.
01:08:08
Speaker
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01:08:19
Speaker
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Speaker
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01:09:11
Speaker
Yeah. Give them it. Yeah. Just give them it. Like, does anyone read like a podcast review anymore? i think they just look at the stars. So just write five stars. It's good. It's fine. but And then maybe say a few words about which host you like best.
01:09:27
Speaker
ah Do I, have how do I feel about that? i don't know how I feel about that. he Actually, don't. I don't think Ben or I, either one are comfortable. Yeah. neither of it play out that yeah that Now that say that aloud, whatever you do, don't say which host is better. Neither of us want know that.
01:09:41
Speaker
Anyway, thank you so much. Quest Quest podcast, gmail.com. Join us next week when we discuss Quest for Glory 5.