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Capstone Games
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In the 90s there were titans of adventure games. Sierra. Lucasarts. And of course, Capstone, which made the two memorable games Wayne's World and The Beverly Hillbillies which drove Jess to madness.
Quest Quest podcast is Ben Vigeant and Jess Morrissette.
Editing by Ben Vigeant
Show art by Kevin "WilcoWeb" Wallace
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Transcript
Intro & Theme Song Joke
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Let's go. Three, two.
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oh
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that was That one is listed first. all right, let's try it again. It should be. Yeah. I mean, what if it was our our new theme song? Who would stop us? I mean, who could stop us?
Legitimacy in Media
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Who could stop us?
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What is it? owned It's ah owned by this ah small company called ah Microsoft? Yeah. Who the fuck are those guys? all right. Yeah.
SNL and Film Reviewers
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Hello, folks. It is Quest Quest. The adventure game podcast. oh Oh, welcome in. Hi, hi, hi, everybody. How you doing, Jess?
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I am doing fantastic great. is that Is that a thing? is that like has is it is that Is that something you coined or is that like from, ah like, ah you know, or something?
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For some reason, it is line from Saturday Night Live, of all things, ah that that stuck in my head years ago. It's a clip where...
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Ben Affleck on SNL is playing like a Leonard Maltin type film reviewer who can never get his puns and wordplay correct. So he yeah he's reviewing the theatrical re-release of Phantasmagoria, Fantasia, Disney's Fantasia.
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And in reviewing it, he says, folks, ah fantasia is fantastic great uh just failing to get the obvious uh word that's pretty good yeah so i don't know why that stuck with me but i feel fantastic great how are you playing i just googled uh fantastic great and the first uh the the the first thing to show up there not snl not ah snl But and I love it when this happens.
Podcasts on IMDb: A Debate
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I love it when this happens. It is an episode of this thing called the Totally Rad Show. Do you know what the Totally Rad Show is? No. i have no idea what this is.
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This looks like.
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Is this like a YouTube show? I don't know. What the fuck is the totally rant? Was this on? It says it was a TV series. Was this on The fuck is this?
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It was a podcast. Come on. Podcasts are not real media. See, and this is what I was. Maybe this is a great, if you're listening to this and you loved it, know, whatever.
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um But this is, i I have something of a contempt. for like if if you go and you roll back and you put your ah like you list your podcast in IMDB that's not no I mean this will be in the Smithsonian someday yes I don't want it in the Library of Congress yeah I don't want it on IMDB that's a trash site
00:03:36
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The IMDb is for movies and I guess also television now.
Jean Shalott's Film Critiques
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Yeah. um I mean, it's not my television for like 20 years. It's not.
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ben Before we get too serious about this, I do need to walk back and issue a correction before we get a bunch of emails. I think I'm in a Jean Shalott style ah movie reviewer, not a Leonard Maltin.
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That's the Jean Shalott is where you would get terrible wordplay. There's a bit more of, I think, a more fun impression like he was kind of ah more and and but inimitable man ah yeah he's more cartoonist i think he's still alive let's see yes gene r.i.p if not uh he is gene shallot is uh i'm loading up gene shallot is He is, according to Wikipedia, as of this recording, and I'll know, this is coming out pretty quickly after the recording, but once I say his age, you'll be like, okay, that's why he still put in the caveat.
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As of this recording, Gene Shallot is alive, and he is 99 years old! but Wow, that great job, Gene Shallot. Gene.
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Al Roker is just licking his chops waiting for that 100th birthday so he can announce it live on the Today Show. i He was born. He just had his birthday, March 25th, 1926.
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nineteen twenty six Wow.
Kingdom Hearts: Love and Frustration
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He is. Wow. yes He's, you know. going to live to see two Great Depressions. ah Yeah. Yeah.
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yeah ah uh one more i
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um all right but uh i'm also phantaz great uh i of course pulled that from uh the totally awesome show or whatever the fuck that podcast you are wearing their yeah their merch right now ah ah The Totally Rad Show was a video podcast produced by Team Awesome LLC.
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Ugh. It's exhausting already. bet these guys, I bet we'd love all these guys. I bet they probably would they're pretty they're all all nice. I bet they're all sweethearts.
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Like we'd be introduced to them. Oh no, he just scrolled down in his Wikipedia and there's a controversy tab. No, no, I didn't see it. Oh no. yeah we' maybe like oh i used to love king's quest and we'd be like that's cool and we'd be like it was a pretty cool what if dan trachtenberg it was was ah going to to send us an email and now uh so he could talk about uh being the director of 10 cloverfield lane wow is that the cloverfield sequel uh i think it was like on netflix
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I recall correctly. That's the one where they put like 10 Cloverfield monsters in a house together. Oh, I guess this was in movie theaters because it does, it, it, it it made $110 million. dollars Good job, Dan.
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That's totally rad whatever. Um, and, uh, he has a episode of stranger things coming out this year. So, you know, things are going well for him.
Defining Quality Content
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Yeah. I mean arguably more accomplished than us. No, No. Well, I mean, it depends on your metric. I feel like we're better people. I don't know him, but I know us both to be good people.
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He, uh, uh, he has, uh, two predator anthology films coming out this year.
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Uh, this is a, uh, uh, track in track and Berg, uh, ah
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I mean, obviously this is an adventure game podcast. I mean, I think that is clear from the title, from the content, from the general vibes. I mean, at some level, aren't we just solving the puzzle of what is a podcast every week?
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Yeah. And, uh, uh, you know, we're in, yeah we're failing at it but now. Uh, speaking of puzzles, Jess, yeah, that was a terrible transition.
Gaming and Pizza Talk
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Let's get another one. Let's turn that back. Can I say something i that that gives me a good transition into what we're about to do? Okay. I ate too much pizza. ah Speaking of diarrhea, what have you been playing?
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I don't think I've ever got diarrhea from bad pizza though. We're too much of it. You know, i mean, there's, yeah, i mean, pizza has never hurt anyone. Uh, pizza, pizza's pure. People can only let down pizza.
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That's right. And I have done that. Like I've, I've had like the pepperonis form into a disappointed frown at me. Uh, that's so, you know, it's gotten bad. Um, Okay, Ben, what have been playing?
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playing as a follow-up to you recommending I play King's Quest II, Romancing the Stones, their previous remake. And I'm loving both of them. They're incredibly impressive. King's Quest 3 is a wonderful game. We'll talk about that on a King's Quest 3 podcast coming soon to an iPod near you. So I'm not going to... I'll tell you what I'm trying to play and failing. And Ben, I need your help with this.
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Okay, you're playing the Blueprints and you're having trouble. No, I've quit that. I got bounced off that so hard. Blueprints. You're at hour 12, just one more. I know. It's to be so good all of a sudden. It's not going to be like a very poor looking game with a repetitive gameplay loop. All of a sudden, it's going to be this whole new universe. People getting so bad right now. Oh, know. I know.
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Ben, for the second time in my life, I am trying to play Kingdom Hearts. Now, Jess, why are you doing this? want to like it. I want to get to the levels where I'm doing, like, running around in cool Disney worlds, like I'm in Halloween Town from Nightmare Before Christmas and stuff.
Square Enix Games Discussion
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And, like, I don't know, like, I have a key sword, maybe. I think that's what you have in that game. It's a key blade, I believe. yeah I think it's called key sword.
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It's hard to say. There's not a lot of fan material out there. just I just can't. I just can't advise you this path.
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You know, I want to like a square game. I want to. I can't. It's hip to square. That's what they say. Yeah.
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Huey Lewis and his news.
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Why can't I like square games? It's a clip from Kingdom Hearts that I had ready to go. go out who that's That's Bruce Boxleitner.
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He's Tron. Wow. He's Tron. He's Tron-ing it up. Let's see. Do I have a... I have all sorts of bizarre sound clips because of my previous podcast.
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And i had I thought I had two, but maybe just that one of because Bruce Boxleitner was, of course, in Babylon 5. Yes, of course. So I was, i was, I, you know, I'm, I'm always ready with a Bruce Boxleitner sound clip.
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So Ben, why do you warn me against Kingdom Hearts? Why is this the wrong decision for me? I know it's the wrong decision for me, but I'm curious how, you know, it's the wrong decision. I think just by reputation. It has like that reputation. or It's reputation, ah your reputation. You have to talk about it, yeah but also the game's reputation, which is that like, isn't it supposed to be like,
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You know, admittedly, this is just yeah this is just rumor and innuendo. This isn't, I haven't played these and I never will.
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My understanding is that they are like really absurdly dense and strange. That's my impression so far.
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And then the gameplay in the early hours feels very repetitive and not super exciting. I don't know. just have never, I've never been able really into Final Fantasy either.
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don't know. Maybe it's just- Maybe you just aren't You know, maybe you just don't need to play a square game. Why do I want to though? Why do I feel like I should? I don't play Final Fantasy, the Final Fantasy six. It's pretty fun.
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Yeah, I played the only one I've ever played. It's the SNES one, right? Whichever the SNES one that was Final Fantasy 2 on the NES. I played that one and really liked it. I had fun. I finished it yeah all right. Final Fantasy 6.
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That's the SNES one. Okay.
Kingdom Hearts: Tonal Absurdity
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That one's great. I played yeah a bit of that, and you know what? I was like, that's pretty good. And then that was that.
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had more fun. had more fun. I have more fun with Dragon Quest when it comes to it. Because Dragon Quest is so nice. It's so nice.
00:13:09
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Yeah. I really want to someday play Final Fantasy VII and be like, oh man, I'm a Final Fantasy VII guy. I don't think it's going to work. I think I have to. Here's the other thing about Kingdom Hearts is that I would think that if it's like this big epic crossover of all the Disneys, like that it would just be kind of comedy.
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off-putting to me. If you got Mickey and Goofy and Tron all hanging out, They should all be telling jokes. Like, I want Goofy, like, to be sitting, like, with his head in his hands, a bloody sword at his feet, like, just weeping.
00:14:02
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Well, key sword. um Weeping over his beloved dead wife. Like, that's the version. I want, like, a serious, he's like, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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He's just like weeping openly. Can I get a little more of that please? you gorge. gorge. Oh, I got killed my wife.
00:14:26
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Oh, no no. No, she's, I don't think, is that the lore? I feel like he and Max would be on way worse terms. Goof Troop. Now, what have you been playing, Ben? So, I don't, have I already done this for
Gaming While Commuting
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one? I don't know.
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I mean, this isn't a new, like, this is a game I continue to be playing, which is, I've been playing more and fucking more of Bellatro. Has that been one? I think it's come up. I think we've talked Bellatro. Has it been ah what I've been playing?
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That's a good question. But I mean, who's keeping score? If we don't know, why the odds our listeners know? It is. Well, here's the thing I've learned as as a podcast host is that like you record this and you forget everything. And I even listen to this like two or three times because I edit it.
00:15:12
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I forget everything. But some listeners will come up to you, not come up, like we'll say on Discord like like months and months later, like, hey, remember that thing you said?
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No, I don't remember. Like, if you ask me tomorrow, what did we talk about today? i will not remember a single fucking thing. yeah I'm not even listening to the parts where you're talking, so I'm missing half the podcast when we're recording.
00:15:36
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if if Looking at the waveforms, I think I take mis-oxygen. But, uh... Baladra I've been playing because I've been, like...
00:15:51
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Villatro, if you're unfamiliar, the the the great like deck building poker cheating game. Have you played Villatro, Jess?
00:16:04
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No, it's a Pokervania, Rhett. It's a Pokervania, that's right. A Pokerbrania. It's a Pokerbrania. And... I'd like to poke your brain in you, but please, I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:16:18
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The thing about it is that the, like, it is now on phones. It's been on phones now for for a while, but I've been commuting a lot more. We're not, like, just on the train. Like, I've been traveling more. I'm in...
00:16:38
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in part like part of the move, which I've talked about on previous podcasts. Like I'm a little bit further out of the way in the city. And so I've been riding the train and buses like a lot more.
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And the Latro is such a good to play on your phone when you're on a bus. It is like the time flies right by. I get to the place I'm not pissed off that it took me like, ah you know, some amount of time to get there.
00:17:11
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just, just a lot throwing up and down across the city of Chicago. Sounds amazing. Yeah, it's great. Do you think it would be better have on a if it had real money gambling? Do you think that would be like a ah big upgrade that you do for the sequel maybe?
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No. Like BetMGM now sponsors Bellatro and now you're gambling real
Gambling Anecdotes
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money. But it has a disclaimer, you know, warning that this could be an addictive experience. That is possibly my most like Puritan trait is that I'm disgusted by gambling every, like being everywhere. especially on the cones. I think it it is awful.
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Have you ever done a gambling, Ben? Are you a gambler? Like, if you count, like, at a church fair when I was 12, but the thing is, is that, like, I was so energized by, like, ah like playing this money game.
00:18:05
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Oh, I'm sorry. at this And the Holy Spirit at, like, this church fair when I was 12 that I walked away from that and said, never doing that again. yeah I was like, I'm never ever doing that again.
00:18:17
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Absolutely not. This is the way that like the the the way that this made my brain feel. This is not good.
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I was in a casino for the very first time.
Penn & Teller Casino Experience
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just a couple weeks ago because I went to go see, like Penn and Teller were doing a show this casino just outside of Chicago.
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thought you had been lying this whole time about seeing Penn Teller. thought this was all a bit. No. Wow. I've just assumed this is a bit every time it's come up. i is it Is it a bit, like, is this making fun of me because I've brought it up too many times? No, I really thought it was just, like, you said at some point as a joke in reference to some sort of magical thing, and I just thought it was always a joke. They're both also, speaking of, they're also both, like, pretty, they're both in their 70s.
00:19:17
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Yeah. And they're great. Yeah. They were awesome. But yeah, they were performing at this casino in Indiana, just across the state line. And so a friend and I drove out there and you had to walk through the casino floor to get there.
00:19:35
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Now, of course, I would love to go to Vegas at least once and have the the Vegas experience. And maybe I'll even gamble if I go to Vegas once. Everyone is should, gambling or not, go to Vegas.
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Though I will say, one of the reasons I wanted to go to Vegas was to see Penn & Teller. So that is now checked off.
Smoking in Casinos
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I mean, i probably I'd see them again. They were great. Anyway, yeah, like, I mean, you know, like the across the city line in Indiana casino is probably, yeah it doesn't have all the glamour that you would probably find in Las Vegas. I would...
00:20:17
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They also could smoke in there, which was disgusting. Isn't that weird? It's so weird. I mean, when I haven't been in to Vegas, like, now probably 15 years. smoke in Vegas? You could 15 years ago, and, like, 15 years ago still, that was weird. It's like, really? Is this a thing? Like, people are doing, like, by that point, most bars and restaurants had long abandoned it around here, and I was just shocked. It's like, oh, this whole place smells like my parents' car growing up.
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when When I moved to Chicago, like the very, like i'm in 2007 was the very end, right before the smoking
Nostalgia for Non-Smoking Days
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ban. So like I had like a slight, like, and I was 21. So like i i there there was for a moment I associated with like being 21 bars.
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But now it's just like, that was so long ago and I have not been in like really any indoor venue with smoking.
00:21:20
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was It was very bizarre to be in a place where people were smoking inside. i was just like, wait, what? You can't do that Ted Keller show. That would have been awful. Thank God. But yeah, ah Bellatro, we've been playing a lot. It's great. It's a lot of fun. Jess, you should play it. it is Have you played any need deck builders at all?
00:21:41
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No, no. You played Marvel Snap. Yeah, but that's not really... Is that a deck builder? It's a card game. And you played, uh, uh... Magic's not deck builder, is it?
00:21:53
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Magic is a deck builder. Okay, yeah, it's a deck builder. Yeah, built decks. I built decks. And then, um, you played a little bit of Midnight Suns. That's a deck builder. Oh, is it? I don't understand the genre, I suppose.
00:22:06
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But you haven't played, like, like Slay the Spire. No. Which is also very good. That's also on phones. Oh, maybe I'll reinstall Slay the Spire to mix it up a little bit. Ooh.
00:22:19
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o i'm wendy I need to start playing some games for this segment. Like, I just really need to, like, start start diversifying so I can get good content for the pod.
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This was, yeah, this was one of those things where i was like, have I played anything new since last week when we
Capstone Software's Budget Games
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recorded one? And I was just like, nope. Yeah. yeah Now, I mean, i could tell everybody about some great Overwatch matches I had this week, but you know, nobody wants to hear that.
00:22:45
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i know you'd curious. And I would make fun of you. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's fair. It's fair. That's fair. That's fair. I'm kind of like killing time here. you why Why is that? why what why do Why are you killing time? What's going on?
00:22:59
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Everything okay? know that we always decide where our topic is going to be live on the air and we haven't had a chance to talk about this yet. Just which one of us says something first, that becomes the topic of the episode, but We have we've come here today to discuss a storied ah company ah responsible for some of the most ah existing games that were released during the 80s and 90s. We're going to be talking about Capstone Software, and we're going to be talking about a couple of their games.
00:23:38
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In particular, we're going to be discussing a little bit of Wayne's World, a point and click a adventure game from 1993. And the Beverly Hillbillies, a point and click game from 1993.
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Now capstone as a company when you hear capstone been like what you grown grown? What? Why do why do we grown when we hear capstone software? So I had never heard of Capstone.
Capstone's Game List
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I think I had seen screenshots of the Wayne's World game. I seem to recall, but maybe this is a false memory. i seem to recall, like as a kid, even seeing like the review in Computer Gaming World or maybe like Computer Games Magazine, one of the magazines.
00:24:21
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like a negative review of Wayne's World. I could be wrong. This could be something um i'm I'm misremembering. But like, i I was unaware of Capstone Games pretty much until I saw you ah stream them.
00:24:42
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And which which everyone can and should go watch on Decaf Jedi. Oh, we didn't introduce that. He's a Decaf Jedi on Twitch. I'm PS underscore Garrett.
00:24:54
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ah But yeah, Decaf Jedi, Beverly Hillbillies and Wayne's World. Those are some of your most memorable moments.
00:25:07
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for all the wrong reasons. I mean, in the same way that trauma can stick with you for years after it occurs. That's what makes these such memorable streams because spoiler alert gang, these are both, uh, both really, really awful games. And I mean, if you want like the short version of what Capstone is all about, they are ah publisher. They developed a few titles in house, but a lot what they're doing is publishing, ah other developers work.
00:25:36
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But they are a company that grabbed cheap IP, cheap licenses and churned out budget games with them. mean, let me run through some of these Ben. like Let's get some of what came out.
00:25:50
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um Let's see. ah Trump Castle, the ultimate casino gambling simulation. That one hasn't aged so great. ah There's a Miami Vice platformer in 1989.
00:26:03
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okay what was that what what was that on uh that was uh pc cool believe all of these are going to be pc games okay um terminator 2 judgment day chess wars so i'm guessing that's like a battle chess type game great terminator 2 dressing probably their game that looking back through old magazines from this era 1995 the game i think that got into 95 They made it all the way to 96. Okay.
TechWar and Capstone's Reputation
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um okay The game that I think probably got them the most attention, or at least the one that advertised most heavily was William Shatner's tech war. don't people kind of like that game like isn't that like one of those games that's not like good but it's kind of weird you know it might be like a like a bit of an oddball yeah no but i mean that one was like i said it it ran tons of ads at the very least which is something i can't say for most of these they seems like something that uh richard cobbett might have yes we got to get richard back to talk about it if he's played tech war yeah
00:27:10
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The list goes on and on. Home Alone 1 and 2. Surf Ninjas. Ben, I know you're a big Surf Ninjas fan. um they They made a PC port of that. But their adventure games, I think, are probably what they're most notorious for. Let let me run through some of these. These are their point-and-click adventures.
00:27:25
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Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, 1989. That one's barely a point-and-click adventure, but who doesn't love Bill and Ted? um L.A. Law, the point-and-click adventure game. For all the Corbin Bernson fans out there, huh you can check out L.A. Law, the the adventure game.
00:27:42
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ah This one's good. An American Tale, The Computer Adventures of Fievel and His Friends. That one's somewhere out there, ready to be enjoyed right now. But it's not T 93. This is the banner year for capstone.
00:27:59
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This is when they release in quick succession, three budget priced point click adventure games, Wayne's world, the Beverly hillbillies, and based on the popular in living color character, homie D clown.
00:28:17
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I'll note that so Beverly Hillbillies and Homie D Clown, but not, at least according looking here on on Wikipedia, so maybe maybe it's wrong, um ah were they were developed by Synergistic Software.
00:28:34
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Right. And then published. which oh was purchased by a sierra online in 1996. Oh no.
00:28:46
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So you're telling me homie D clown is actually a Sierra game.
Capstone's Industry Connections
00:28:50
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is yeah These are all Sierra games. And Sierra, not until 96 in 96, they did ah like the, the games that they develop ah for, for Sierra, they, they developed,
00:29:04
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uh two uh front page sports uh games uh if you remember front page sports front page sports badminton what else did they do uh then they they uh developed ah a game called triple play 97 oh i remember triple play 97 uh they developed i believe uh randy johnson the big unit might have been the cover uh cover star for that one maybe i'm wrong though They developed this game called ah Birthright, the Gorgon's Alliance, which is a D&D game that looks like a, ah looks like a, like kind of a, like a strategy, no turn-based strategy a game.
00:29:51
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ah So that, and then their their last game, uh published by sierra is this is the only of these that i've played which is to say um they uh was uh diablo hellfire oh that was them they did uh hellfire and come a long way baby that explains why homie the clown shows up in hellfire that's why homie the clown is the final boss in diablo 2 hellfire now it all makes sense um
00:30:28
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Yeah, it was ah like...
CUC's Impact on Game Development
00:30:33
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um And i'm I'm reading this. This is really interesting. Creative interference. So this is the Wikipedia page for for Hellfire.
00:30:42
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Creative interference from sister companies, Blizzard Condor, ah which by this time had been renamed Blizzard North, and Synergistic Software had all been purchased by the same company, CompuCard International. Now, I see you think.
00:30:58
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are familiar with CUC. That's ah the ah fucking scam company that bought Sierra. ah like it a like i Read a Digital Antiquarian. There was a really wonderful yeah ah pair of recent stories on it.
00:31:17
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um ah and CUC made no effort to ensure its subsidiaries cooperated in the development of the expansion Blizzard which developed and operated Battle.net refused to support Hellfire because they didn't want to be blamed for any unforeseen interactions between Battle.net and any code they they hadn't written Wow. Meanwhile, no content could be added to Hellfire without approval of Blizzard North, which was developing Diablo 2.
00:31:46
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They vetoed an enormous amount of stuff, which was also going to be in Diablo 2. Wow. yeah I mean, this company is known for its quality work, clearly. I mean... Hellfire was fine. I enjoyed Hellfire at the time. i haven't played in a long, long time. Maybe... Sounds like Blizzard wasn't a big fan, but, so you know. Well, I think Hellfire was well received. It sounds like they're blaming CompuCard, which was, you know... That's fair. Who developed Wayne's World DOS? Was that synergistic as well?
00:32:17
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Let's see here. Because that... That... ah Like, let's get this.
Wayne's World Game Analysis
00:32:24
Speaker
get this um like like gonna see the synergistic this is good this is good uh this is great radio yeah oh no on wikipedia literally the dos section just said this section is missing information how interesting nobody knows who made that one well i mean i guess i could look at mobi games which would definitely have it robert iarini and associates developed it robert far fee associates and that that is
00:32:51
Speaker
only credit yes It's weird because there are a lot of kind of similarities, I would say. Yeah, they feel like they feel developed to say, let let's talk about the, I mean, we're we're not going to talk about Homie the Clown. If you haven't played Homie the Clown, I mean, get out there. I mean, it's it's a Damon Wayans classic character.
00:33:14
Speaker
um I haven't played this game because as tempting as it is to stream it, I'm terrified that there will be a problematic jump scare at some point in the game that causes me to have to like dash to unplug my modem from the wall ah before somehow it uploads to Twitch. So I've avoided homie to clown, but I did suffer through Wayne's world and Beverly Hillbillies. And I think I'd like to talk about Wayne's world first. I want like ah to talk about Wayne's world first.
00:33:42
Speaker
Swings. Swings. Swing, swing. had to do that again with the volume up. Party on, Ben. Party on, Jess. Ben, tell me, are are you you're a little younger than me. Uh-huh.
00:33:58
Speaker
what What's your Wayne's World experience as far as the sketch, the movies? like are Is that before your think saw the movie first, and then I saw the sketches. I was aware of Wayne's World like because it you had to be.
00:34:13
Speaker
You couldn't step onto like a playground or something when Wayne's world was at its peak and not be somewhat aware of Wayne's world. i guess why like way Wayne's world, like Mike Myers is on SNL.
00:34:25
Speaker
And so what, like Wayne's world is what? 91, 92. The game is is a sketch he's an snl scpture i ran him there yeah So yeah, i would have been I would have been way too young.
00:34:37
Speaker
i didn't I didn't get into SNL until I was like a teenager. um So I was aware of it, but yeah like I think it wasn't until I was like 10 or 11 that I saw like the movie on like Comedy Central or something. And I was like, oh, it's funny. That's what this whole thing was. Oh, it's funny. Yeah. It's one those movies that's supposed to be funny.
00:35:00
Speaker
ah for I mean, for me, I was like 13 or 14. Oh yeah. This was probably a big Wayne's world head. i was literally, ah the target demographic. I mean, there I don't know if it wasn't made for 14 year old boys. I don't know who Wayne's world was made for. So I had big Wayne's world fever. Like I, I loved it. Like every kid I was repeating catchphrases and all that sort of stuff, because that's what you do when you're a kid who's into SNL stuff is you just repeat all the things that yeah Monday at school that you heard on Saturday night.
00:35:32
Speaker
I mean, yeah i mean like Mike Myers and Dana Carvey who are like two of the biggest like comedy stars of that period. And they're both very like funny and accomplished.
00:35:42
Speaker
Like, of course, like it's just like, you know, and it's also Dana Carvey doing a non impression. which he had a couple of, he had church lady. Yeah.
00:35:53
Speaker
Um, but like, you know, like he was, he was, i mean, that that's why Dana Carvey was so powerful was that he was an impressionist that also had characters. It's too power. That's too powerful. That's why he had to be taken out.
00:36:07
Speaker
That's why we had to take him out. And that's why uh, I just came back from the funeral. Wow. Wow. Uh, that was, I mean, it happens.
00:36:19
Speaker
Um, you The other day, i was reading, i think it's well known that Mike Myers and Dana Carvey, a few did not enough for years. Oh, they did In part because of, ah of, I think Dana Carvey feeling like Mike Myers stole his Lauren Michaels impression for Dr. Evil.
00:36:42
Speaker
And that was apparently a big point of contention between them for a number of years. And of course, they didn't get along terribly well, I think on the set of Wayne's World either, because it gets you get the feeling Mike Myers might be a tiny bit difficult to work with.
00:36:55
Speaker
But I read the other day that Mike Myers apparently lobbied not to have Garth in the Wayne's World movie. I think i I've heard that. I think that is insane to me.
00:37:10
Speaker
That. As if. no Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What?
00:37:18
Speaker
If monkeys might fly on my butt. Yeah. um No, okay. I'm almost done. My wife. um Swing. swing Swing. The crazy thing about that is even beyond that it wouldn't work, it would also be like audiences would be watching it and be like, where's Garth?
00:37:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, no. like and you You need Garth there. like does Wayne talk to if Garth is up there? He's addressing the camera and breaking the fourth wall of the entire movie. The the longest tenured Doctor Who, Tom Baker, the fourth Doctor,
00:37:58
Speaker
uh i believe if if i recall correctly ah also felt that he could do it without an assistant and it was just kind of like no you you you need to have someone to talk to ah and to polish your key sword when you're not using it yeah hu oh oh brother jess Anyway, so yeah, ah Wayne's World.
00:38:21
Speaker
Here's the thing about like this being a cheap ah ah license is that like I'm like, this is a pretty good license for something to be a bargain license.
00:38:33
Speaker
It is. I mean, it's hot. and Yeah, Wayne's World was a huge movie, yeah and it was a big sketch, and those were two stars. And it makes you wonder if it falls into that weird category of this is a big property that doesn't easily lend itself to a video game.
00:38:51
Speaker
And that's maybe why a company like Capstone could snatch it up. You know, it's like, well, you know, yeah, sure. Make a point. They made a cool spot video game. They did make a cool spot. but I mean, that's a great game.
00:39:03
Speaker
Like, I think, I think I, you know, and this exists. Like, I think you could just at its most basic, just make like a mascot platformer, which I believe exists.
00:39:14
Speaker
Which I think is what Wayne's world is like on super NES. Yeah. Like it has that horrific sprite of like Wayne with the giant Mike Myers head. That's like a little too photo realistic.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yeah. And he's just walking around like duck walking with a guitar. The whole game is all right you're putting it off. What is Wayne's world? The game. Oh God. the this one is just point what's the plot what are you supposed to do well the the the the public the station that and we already talked about the ui so you don't have to talk about that we'll talk about the ui again we're going it's so bad we have to talk about again okay but you're trying to save the public access television show that wayne and garth host from their basement okay from being canceled so you begin organizing ah pizza thon fundraiser
00:39:59
Speaker
All right. ah pleasure so That sounds good That sounds great. Fundraiser. Funny. So yeah that's great. So you, I mean, it's not unlike sort of the plot to Wayne's world one where there's shows in danger and Wayne's world two, or they're throwing a big festival.
00:40:13
Speaker
It kind of, it kind of mixes and matches elements of both of those.
Wayne's World Narrative Critique
00:40:17
Speaker
So the first half of the game, is you like putting together all the pieces necessary to throw this pizza thon fundraiser. So you're finding entertainment for it. You're trying to get money, all this other sort stuff. It's just, yeah, not so bad.
00:40:33
Speaker
Pretty straightforward. just get some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. The most classic, you know, we have to throw a big show before they get four fucking things. Yeah. yeah but Before they shut down the Muppet theater. sure Yeah. I mean, it's just how you do these things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah And it's point and click. I mean, the puzzles are kind of moon logic. They're not, I'm not going to say they're kind of moon logic. Okay. there They are. I watched.
00:40:55
Speaker
Hold on. I, I, I, so I watched some of these ah ah streams earlier and I was taking notes. um It's constantly playing the same tune.
00:41:08
Speaker
Yes. Which is a capstone trademark. Uh, there's no walk icon. Why would you need one? Now there are 11 other icons or whatever, but not walk that are completely like impossible to, to, to parse, which we've talked about.
00:41:28
Speaker
Uh, this was something that I completely forgot about because i was watching you stream at the time. And then when I was watching it again, i ah They give Garth an extremely long tongue.
00:41:41
Speaker
Well, that is based. and That's never established for Garth in the films, but Dana Carthy does have a notoriously long tongue. ah That long? it's like a couple feet long.
00:41:54
Speaker
Well. And he does some tricks with it. Mm-hmm. This is getting a little saucy. Tell me more. and they're They're not saucy tricks. Oh. I don't remember the tongue part.
00:42:06
Speaker
It's been. Oh, brother. Yeah. The tongue part is crazy. um You got to check it out. ah This guy, Decaf Jedi. He streams sometimes.
00:42:16
Speaker
Oh, man, he's erased all of this from his brain. now I mean, like I remember a puzzle at one point, like you have to build a mousetrap. So you take like a miniature model of a castle that's seen on a desk and you prop it up with a drumstick from your inventory.
00:42:33
Speaker
And then you like attach a chain to the drumstick and then you yank the like everything about me. I guess that's a standard like cartoon thing. kind of trap but don't know I mean it it's all bad eventually you roll around to like a strange cartoonish plot like it goes from they're trying to cancel our show which is again is very down the middle normal yeah yeah suddenly there's like an evil plan that's going to brainwash everyone on earth And there's a mad scientist.
00:43:04
Speaker
It turns into a weird cartoon with no connection. Is it like aliens or like lizard people or something? You what? Oh, man. There's we'll talk about the sewer here in a minute. But yeah, one yeah we got to wait. Like we're we're holding off on the sewer. Yeah. But you do meet like ah literal lizard king and not like in the.
Wayne's World Sewer Maze
00:43:26
Speaker
in like jim morrison sense of the word but like a giant lizard creature seen on a throne with a little crown who considers himself the king of the lizard people who live in the sewers with him i don't know what this has to do with like how do we rescue our girlfriend cassandra and throw a really rager well isn't she uh kidnapped She is.
00:43:50
Speaker
She's damseled. i mean, it's like, why is there a lizard king? This is ostensibly. Well, this is this is some of the the the cutting room floor ah Wayne's World 2 ideas.
00:44:08
Speaker
No, that could be it. That could be it i mean, it is. It just goes completely off the rails. I mean, there's a game show at one point. The game show, I remember, like, the game show is is so arbitrary and bizarre. And long. It's so long. It's very long. It's like a Jeopardy game show. that Like, the title, i think, is Name That Babe. but And you get asked bunch of questions. You also have to the answers right.
00:44:38
Speaker
I think so. Yeah. And they're pretty arbitrary. And I mean, it's all basically like some sort of very lazy swing kind of joke. It's just like, who's a hot babe? swing. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's just, and it goes on forever and it's unskippable and it kills the momentum of a game that barely had momentum. I mean, honestly.
00:45:04
Speaker
I feel like, ah Yeah, that's just the game show. We're not up to a part that kills all the momentum. Let's talk about the sewers. Oh my God, the sewer maze at the end of the game, Ben. i say So I've got notes here because I watched a lot of this. Yeah, I think it is without a doubt.
00:45:24
Speaker
even with a walkthrough in hand that literally tells you exactly which direction to take. it reorients where you are. Right. It always does that, which is always a fun. Yeah. You like exit to the left, but enter the next screen on the right. Always a classic, right? Yeah. um You know, that kind of thing.
00:45:40
Speaker
yeah is the worst maze I've ever encountered. Even with a walkthrough that's telling you exactly where to go, literally step by step, it's all backtracking, going from one location back to another, back to another, back to another.
00:45:53
Speaker
And it is enormous. It's enormous. Isn't it multi-level too? Yes. It's like several levels of maze, a multi-level maze. It's even difficult at times to like discern what level you're on. If you kind lose yeah very clear.
00:46:08
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think I could have done this maze without
Streaming Frustrating Games
00:46:11
Speaker
a walkthrough. And even with a walkthrough, i didn't go back and watch my stream, but this our call. I think it was like 45 plus of me. So here's some notes here. Here's a ah note ah from this is you at one point you go,
00:46:26
Speaker
I feel like I could finish this in 20 minutes. And then mouse over and you'd already been in the sewer for a bit at this point. ah huh And then I mouse over the YouTube but ah thing. And there were 40 minutes left of the stream, oh which was great.
00:46:44
Speaker
um ah I also, this is an actual quote from you. you said, quote, this is off the charts level punishment.
00:46:59
Speaker
It really, I mean, I don't know. Is there a good adventure game maze? I don't know. i mean, that was, and that was what you asked.
00:47:11
Speaker
You've actually, you like, so you're doing this and you're just like, you're just like, this is miserable because the thing, again, you had, as you were saying, you had the walkthrough and you were having difficulty with it.
00:47:23
Speaker
um And then you were just like, at like, you know, to, Because it's a feeling that you get when you're streaming. um You know, i'm i'm I'm saying this for the the listeners. Sometimes you're playing a game and you're getting so frustrated and so kind of bored with it. Like it's this boring frustration, like being lost in a maze where you're just like, man, this.
00:47:47
Speaker
this is dull this is dull television like like it's like i really feel like i don't want to be perceived right now right not other people as i experience and the the worst part about it is as a viewer yes as i was viewing you i was having a blast i was i was just like man he's so miserable this is hilarious yeah but like when you're streaming that uh because i've you know i've i've experienced this too it's like you'll be playing a game you're just not having a good time you're playing fucking pac-man too and uh like you're just not having a good time and you're just like in your head you're like this isn't good television
00:48:29
Speaker
Like this is not like you're I'm just frustrated and nothing's happening. And ah but like, at least for me as a viewer, and I think for many other viewers, like that's great television.
00:48:44
Speaker
Yes, that's I think that is what a lot of people want to see. Like, I guess it's fun to watch somebody just like breeze through Space Quest three because they know every single button press. Yeah. And can just do it without a second thought.
00:48:57
Speaker
But I think it's almost more fun to watch somebody who is about to rip out their own eyeballs because they're so angry at this game they have to look at. And that's me in the Wayne's World maze. You played this. So you played this after you played Beverly Hillbillies and you were constantly comparing it.
00:49:16
Speaker
Yes. To Beverly Hillbillies. And up to that point, you're like, this is not a good game, but it's better than Beverly Hillbillies. And then.
00:49:27
Speaker
you said, this is worse. This is, this is worse than Beverly Hillbillies maze, which we'll get to. Yeah. But like that.
00:49:38
Speaker
And what was great. I remember that night very clearly because I came home from ah a date. ah It didn't go. It was fine. And, ah but I remember like I left my apartment.
00:49:55
Speaker
And I like you'd started streaming and I watched like maybe the first like five, 10 minutes. And then i left to go on a date, have a couple drinks. We talked for like two hours. I walked back to my apartment.
00:50:07
Speaker
I sit down at my computer.
Wayne's World vs. Beverly Hillbillies
00:50:09
Speaker
i I look and I see that you are still streaming. Oh, no. And I'm like, well, that can't be good.
00:50:18
Speaker
Each stream I have that goes over two hours. that Something has gone horribly wrong. And like that you're like losing your mind. And I, because I also was like, well, like, because you were starting and you're like, yeah, I'm going to finish this tonight.
00:50:33
Speaker
And like, that it was like a clear, like I'm staying on till like you said at one point, you're like, I am going to finish this. This might take me 14 hours.
00:50:44
Speaker
This is being done. Yeah. Now, mean, the thought of having to play it a third, like a third session was more than I could handle. i mean, that's the thing about this game is like from the standpoint of being a couple years removed from playing it.
00:51:00
Speaker
I do think it's a slightly better game than Beverly Hills. This maze it is much worse. I watch both these streams. I can, I can verify just based off of watching.
00:51:13
Speaker
And a little bit of that is just that Wayne's world's a better property. Wayne, you know, having Wayne and Garth. And really Hillbillies is a baffling license choice. Yeah, that's right.
00:51:23
Speaker
I mean, at least Wayne's world, you know they're going to hit the catchphrases occasionally. There's some level of like, easy banter that you can establish between Wayne and Garth. There are bits like that that there's some charm in that first half of the game. And granted, that maze throws away most of that goodwill.
00:51:41
Speaker
There's also that really cute convenience store clerk. ah You know, she's like, she's like purple haired and alternative and sneers
90s Adventure Game Aesthetics
00:51:49
Speaker
at you and seems to really despise you, which I'm kind of into that. You a crush on this i kind of have a crush on this like convenience store clerk from wayne's world yeah is that so weird i have a crush on madam thorine from space quest four look i could talk about alma adventure game crushes if that might that might be a great future podcast i don't know if i have any though mark that down yeah quest quest podcast at gmail.com send us an email uh do you have
00:52:17
Speaker
an adventure game podcast. And, uh, do you want us to anonymize? Uh, it will, we'll be quiet. we We'll, we'll be just, you ask if people had an adventure game podcast, not a crush.
00:52:29
Speaker
Uh, send us an email. I'm not going to listen, but make it anonymous. We all not want to know the name of your but send us a yes podcast. If you have any crushes, yeah record a podcast of your own, send it to us about your crush and we will air that podcast in our podcast. Yeah. That's what it's a simple process. People keep up.
00:52:50
Speaker
Uh, all right. yeah Yeah. So I have a crush on that girl. That's not bad. a I, I, I'm just impressed that this is like, you don't remember Garth's insane tongue, which you gotta, you gotta watch this because it is insane.
00:53:04
Speaker
And like, but, but there's like this one character. in the game that you're like, yeah, I remember her. Hubba hubba. Yeah. no You know, there's a, there's a scene a citizen Kane where um ah ah one of like, ah one of the people reminiscing about came to the, the reporter, like tells the, this story about this woman that he saw just once.
00:53:36
Speaker
And you know, it's little it's a little parable about the fragility of time but because he's sitting here. He's an old man, but he still remembers that moment. That's you. ah so like, ah yeah I mean, I guess maybe that's a good chance to talk about what this game looks like to I mean, to me, this very much reads as budget 90s adventure game.
Budget Game Art Styles
00:54:01
Speaker
I mean, it is like right down the middle, it like a game it reminds me a lot of is maybe like an operation stealth or any number of other non like LucasArts Sierra low budget point and clicks, which is to say, i think it's trying to ape the LucasArts style a little bit. It's like it's got a bit of a less manly style. Yeah, you it's got less manly feel to it, I think is a comparison.
00:54:28
Speaker
But it is obviously not done with nearly the care or the artistic skill or the budget or any those sorts of things it has lots of that both it and beverly hillbillies have the I think what I understand to be like the deluxe paint gradient. I was going to say this. It has the deluxe paint gradients, which like after, because you could see this in um like ah Indiana Jones the Last Crusade and Loom in VGA when they did the conversions up from ah the EGA version.
00:55:06
Speaker
You could tell that they were just using the like and when I say you could tell I mean I'm just repeating a website I've been told you can tell yes like i'm I'm just repeating what a website told me and then I've looked at comparison screenshots and it's like you could like as you could see it's using this deluxe like you can't I can't tell I've never used deluxe paint I guarantee like this is like yeah but whoever's listening to this has never used deluxe paint you could tell what an insane thing I'm just repeating a website
00:55:39
Speaker
What if Allison Deluxe Paint, the creator of Deluxe Paint is listening to this this podcast right now? She's saying she's crying. She's like, you've never used Deluxe. But no, I mean, what it reads to me, and I would say the same about the 256 color versions of Loom and Last Crusade.
00:55:56
Speaker
It reads a little cheap. it It definitely reads. Oh, no yeah. Like you clicked fill on something, you know, rather than sort of arted it up yourself a little bit. I don't know how art works.
00:56:08
Speaker
a bit of a nostalgia to that look yeah it is out of a time it is of a very specific yeah it puts me in a place yeah all right but boy Wayne's World I mean yeah it's it's terrible but it is serviceable up until that maze the maze kills it in a way that is almost indescribable It's full of incredible babes. All right.
00:56:38
Speaker
Let's.
Beverly Hillbillies Game Issues
00:56:40
Speaker
Okay. Beverly hillbillies. So nothing redeemable here. We just our last podcast was about music. And I captured a little bit of music from Beverly Hillbillies before we started.
00:56:53
Speaker
This isn't the tune that plays everywhere. okay This is the tune that plays during. And I want to let this this run a little bit because it starts out you're just kind of like, okay. But it it gets a little deranged. And we'll talk about what scene this is for. Maybe just name that tune once I'm done playing it.
00:57:18
Speaker
Feels like trivia music, right? Yeah. You know. Okay.
00:57:30
Speaker
Not, like, not terrible. just, you know, it's just a MIDI. Just do what you can with the instruments you have. Yeah, that's fine. It'll play on your ad lib. Yeah. Let's see. this going to get interesting in a little bit?
00:57:54
Speaker
You have to wonder if that's like playing correctly.
00:58:20
Speaker
Now, that Discord tune, that like a little Discord chime, I was just playing off the what you hear. So apparently someone sent me a Discord message.
00:58:31
Speaker
but I believe that was you saying, i'm ready to record. oh oh my God. I take it back. I take it back. If I could then send that message, haven't heard that. What was...
00:58:44
Speaker
and that's That tune just makes me laugh every time. like And I remember feeling the same way watching you play it like the first time is when that like enters it.
00:58:57
Speaker
It is some of the worst. It's it's cat on the piano level. Yeah. yeah level And I understand that it's probably trying to to, you know, kind of redneck it up a little bit.
00:59:11
Speaker
Like, I think that's ah the intention, but it just looks like fucking garbage. Yeah. Now, I mean, what what part of the game did that play during? That plays during the completely inscrutable puzzle.
00:59:28
Speaker
Now you're you'll, that doesn't help. That doesn't help. Yeah, that does not. So yeah, go on. Inscrutable puzzle where, all right. So the game begins and you're Jed Clampett and you're wandering around the woods and you shoot a squirrel and then a bubbling crude oil, that is, ah comes up.
00:59:50
Speaker
ah Then ah you head off to Beverly Hills. And that's the music that plays when you're dirt in this inscrutable and un unreadable puzzle.
01:00:03
Speaker
Oh, the jalopy string. to los angeles or yeah When you're driving to Los Angeles. And the the the the thing is, if if you haven't seen this or played it, it is that uh like so the the clamp its car is going down the and also like if you're unfamiliar with the show that's fine i never watched it either um you never watched beverly hillbillies no not once oh man i watched it religiously as a kid but then again um franco appalachian uh myself i mean that yeah this is what is all right let's let's rewind let me finish that and then let's get the premise of beverly hillbillies uh for for those who don't know but
01:00:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's this puzzle where they're driving a car down the highway to to California from where where are they from? Oh, the Ozarks, I think. The Ozarks.
01:00:59
Speaker
They're from the Ozarks. Okay.
Critique of Beverly Hillbillies Design
01:01:01
Speaker
So they're crossing they're they' of crossing the country. And what it is is that you're on like a three-lane highway.
01:01:10
Speaker
And you're just driving. And you can move from lane to lane. And sometimes if you're on the correct lane, it will change the signs that you're seeing on the road as you pass that give like, and that's the only change you get.
01:01:32
Speaker
Yeah. And then musical chime or any kind of other indication, you may not even notice that these signs have changed. And then if you, if you miss that, then you go all the way back to the start. and it is trial and error you have to get it exactly right and this is what really cracked me up watching you do it is that you got it exactly right the first time and then you made it to california and then right where you're supposed to be like on that route because you have to do like it's like top lane middle lane top lane bottom lane i think was was what it was something like that uh
01:02:08
Speaker
In the bottom lane, there's a tow truck sitting there, and you have to quickly change lanes, and if you don't, you collide with it, and it just restarts you right at the start. Awful.
01:02:19
Speaker
Just awful. And I mean... I had a walkthrough. I kind of knew what the premise of this puzzle was. There is nothing. i mean, I was about to say nothing to signpost you there. But i mean, literally, you're supposed to be noticing signposts along the way.
01:02:33
Speaker
But you get lots of comedy signposts mixed into that yeahp distract you from all this. I mean, what it feels like it should have been. is probably a simple arcade sequence. Like if this had been their potholes and obstacles in the road and the whole idea is you're switching lanes to get out of the way of those, that would have been, know, it's almost like land skimmer space quest one kind of stuff at that point, that would have been much better than what we got, which is just an inscrutable puzzle. And that's, a I mean, already the hunting, the varmint in the, yeah in the first screen is a little inscrutable. What is, what is Beverly Hillbillies? What is the premise of the television
01:03:10
Speaker
program okay this television show uh that came out in uh in the 1960s i believe it was part of was it cps's uh attempt to like pivot toward uh a rural audience along with shows like petticoat junction and some other things like that they had this whole strategy of we're going green acres i believe was part of that lineup as well i would have thought that it was like one network had one of those on the other network had petticoot junction and the other one had like in the same way like you have adam's family you have monsters like like i dream of genie yeah these were part of a programming block they were all together
01:03:49
Speaker
Yes, this was part of a we are marketing toward rural America. Interesting. For that demographic. So, yeah, it's Petticoat Junction, Green Acres, and Beverly Hillbillies. I did watch Green Acres as a kid. That's pretty good. On Nick at Night.
01:04:04
Speaker
Yeah. Green Acres. Ja-Ja Gabor is wonderful. Ja-Ja was so funny. Yeah. you know um What did this little gay boy like Ja-Ja Gabor so much about? yeah
01:04:24
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yeah yeah She loves the city. What is she doing in the country? That's the wrong place for her. New York's where where she'd rather stay. She gets allergic smelling hay.
01:04:38
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be
01:04:44
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Oh, brother.
Beverly Hillbillies TV to Game Transition
01:04:47
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Beverly Hillbillies, it's a family of of rural Americans. um that uh one day while uncle jed clampett is out uh shooting for some food up from the ground comes a bubbling crude oil that it is black gold got texas tea so he loads up his truck he moves to beverly they go to beverly hills and it's a fish out of water story it's jed why do they go to beverly hills that's where you go once you get rich there are other places to go
01:05:17
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No, it's pretty much just Monaco. Gambling. but Glamour. Car races. yeah Europe.
01:05:29
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Yeah, no, it's got everything. Yeah, you know what? what but It's time to bring back ah i make it the Monaco hillbillies. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, so it's Jed, Granny, who is Granny his wife?
01:05:44
Speaker
Or you're asking the guy that did not watch the show. I never thought too much about it. um They have Jethro, who I think is his nephew, and Ellie Mae, who's either his niece or his daughter.
01:05:57
Speaker
The family relations aren't that important, but it's just a fish out of water story. They're always doing things like swimming in their cement pond in the backyard and You know, just typical stuff. Jethro always has some sort of clever scheme where he's going to be an astronaut or so.
01:06:13
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I, as a kid, watched a bunch of this on TBS where it would rerun. and Superstation? The Superstation, yeah. If the Braves weren't on in the afternoon, i was watching like all these bad old sitcoms. i was watching Beverly Hillbillies, The Munsters, whatever I get my hands on.
01:06:29
Speaker
That's what you make. I imagine on a loop. Yeah. I know that was on the family channel. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. But no, mean, that's, and what's even weirder about this is it's not even technically made to tie into the TV show, but rather the then contemporaneous film adaptation of the Beverly Hillbillies starring Jim Varney.
01:06:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Who appeared apparently on the final episode of the Chevy Chase show, it turns out. Yeah. yeah Well, I don't know anything about the Chevy. I don't know anything about Chevy Chase. Who's that?
01:07:05
Speaker
Yeah. Chevy. I know a lot about Bill Murray. um I'm a. should do a podcast about Bill Murray. a Murray miner. Like, and not a child. Mining. Yeah, you're mining. It's trivia. Just information. I'm mining an axe. Yeah.
01:07:21
Speaker
Yeah. I like that we both did pickaxe motions here. I wish the, I wish the the listeners could see that because we really sold it. Yeah. But, but no, I mean, this, this game is
Major Flaws in Beverly Hillbillies Game
01:07:32
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terrible. I mean, like right from the beginning, you get like the origin story of him.
01:07:37
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The music. I'll just play it, you know, just keep that going. Yeah, so he's like, chasing this is a rabbit. I think it's a rabbit. He's chasing around the forest.
01:07:48
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And basically, you have to figure out just through your magical deduction skills that you need to chase this rabbit to the edge of a swamp where you can then shoot at it with your shotgun.
01:08:00
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And that's what causes the striking of oil and everything. But it becomes a weird maze right from the beginning where you're in this forest. It's all very nondescript, very easy to get lost in.
01:08:10
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You have to chase the rabbit, which means you need to enter from, ah you need it to go down, you need to enter from the top of the screen and chase it down through the bottom. And even though all the screens tend to look like they have exits northeast, south and west, arbitrarily, a lot of those screens only allow you to exit from one or two directions, even though visibly there's no barrier like a bush or a tree or anything that would stop you from going the other way.
01:08:36
Speaker
So that's like a maze of how do I chase a rabbit through all of these nondescript forest scenes until I eventually flush it out to the place I need it to be. How do I know and i need it to be there? I don't. I've just figured this out with a walkthrough. There's no way to know that.
01:08:49
Speaker
And then if you do that, you then get to go to that terrible driving sequence. That's your reward. And then like the the game, you're driving your car around Los Angeles, like in these nondescript streets. Like it's like this over an overworld map.
01:09:07
Speaker
Yeah. i'd say yeah Which is strange for an adventure game, an overworld map. But sure. ah you're just driving around and you're going to different mansions. The first puzzle once you get to Beverly Hills is how can I find the mansion that I live in now?
01:09:21
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yeah which that alone is kind of a ah wild concept, right? You just like roll into town and you're like, I wonder where the house I bought is. house I'm assigned. Yes, through that now that I'm rich, the house I've been assigned by presumably Mr. Drysdale down at the bank.
01:09:37
Speaker
um i have to i have to go go farm my own home. And then there's a whole plot like Granny gets clubbed over the head by some sort mysterious assailant and kidnapped and held hostage for ransom.
01:09:52
Speaker
And let's talk let's talk about let's talk about the worst the the the worst part. The one that you said that the maze at the end of ah Wayne's World was worse, but this was like what you kept bringing up.
01:10:05
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When you're playing White Swirl, you're like the the worst part. ah Rodeo Drive. ah Yeah, Rodeo Drive is just like this row of shop fronts.
01:10:18
Speaker
That are all like just kind of interchangeable. It just kind of changes the name. And sometimes they have a couple sprites or a sprite. Yes. Like standing up. just Yeah, like just slightly different. And as you pass through these stores, you like come out on the other side into a different nondescript street.
01:10:35
Speaker
And some of these stores you need to go into and interact with people and get items to solve the puzzle. But it is indecipherable, like where you're at at a given time. It's a maze that unlike the Wayne's world maze, it's kind of impossible to describe in text or to like draw out an ASCII representation of how you're going to do this. It kind has to be like, you know,
01:10:58
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described loosely and then hope you can figure it out even if you're playing from a walkthrough and I think it's not that it's hard the way the Wayne's World one is it's not nearly as big it's not nearly as much backtracking back and forth but it is just so out of place and so unnecessary.
01:11:19
Speaker
i mean, the problem with both of these games are, is they're like 45 minute games. If you don't have these crappy sequences in them, if that, I mean, if you just like played the puzzle sequences and took out the mazes and the dumb car sequence and things like that, I don't know if either one of these games is a whole lot longer than half an hour.
01:11:36
Speaker
You know, it's, I think there's just not much. clown i think homey declown you could do like very quickly. Yeah, and it looks very, like, light on the adventure game elements. Like, always these are moon logic-y.
01:11:50
Speaker
It looks like it's somewhere not quite at, like, full point-and-click-y vibes. I think it's it's a little bit of an outlier there.
Lack of Character in Games
01:11:57
Speaker
But, yeah, this Rodeo Drive sequence, it's not as punishing as the Plains World is, but, oh, it's awful. Rodeo Drive sequence also has, like, so you have to get, like, this haircut, right?
01:12:09
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And do you have to walk through... And it's not clear that you can walk through stores. No. And then you have to walk... Like, you get a hint from just someone on the street.
01:12:26
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. No, I mean... it's madness. It's, it's unclear. It's a puzzle. It's unclear what you can do. Sometimes when you come out on the other side, it's not even immediately obvious that you've passed through to a new location, right? Because because they all look the same.
01:12:42
Speaker
Everything's so nondescript and interchangeable. Like it took me a while to figure out like, I was on a different row of stores right at some point because there's it's just nothing about the geography of it doesn't make sense. It doesn't establish any sort of logic of place that would allow you to discern what's going on.
01:13:04
Speaker
It's just confusing and unclear. And I think it's just feels like something that just wasn't even thought about. Do you remember what the hint was? No. the the The hint, I have this, hold on, let's see. Sometimes it helps to think backwards.
01:13:18
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her um Oh, so, all right. I actually, I took a screenshot because this was. Oh, good. I tried the Carlotti brothers. This is what well ah the shoeshine person says to you.
01:13:34
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They're easy to find. Just go through three stores with similar names and you'll be right there.
01:13:44
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And the similar names are, it's three stories that have relatives. Like so-and-so brothers. But even that is, i mean, I guess that's a clue. That that passes as a clue in an adventure game. And like, it's not clear at all.
01:14:01
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You said, quote, this is the worst puzzle ever. here And then you finally get the haircut, which costs $10,000.
01:14:13
Speaker
Oh man, Beverly Hills, am I right? ah And his sprite doesn't change. Oh God, that's right. Oh no. Oh, that's upsetting.
01:14:23
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Do you remember, uh, do you remember this? And this is true of both games is that they're both hideously glitchy, but hillbillies especially.
01:14:34
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Yeah. Lots of pathfinding issues. Oh yeah. Pathfinding is terrible. Like you'll click on somewhere and like Jed Clampett will just like kind of wander off in another direction, which is just very funny.
01:14:47
Speaker
Um, the, uh, you, uh, uh, got to a point. This was on your first
Technical Issues in Games
01:14:56
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stream. You got to a point you, you were saying earlier, it's like, these are like 45 minute games without the mazes.
01:15:03
Speaker
Um, so you, you got to, uh, like part in your first stream, you had already gotten a fair amount of progress and you're like, and he said, i should probably save.
01:15:17
Speaker
And then you go to save and the game just crashes. ah Oh, And you didn't have... and Did I crash at that point? that i like Did I also spin out control? I wrote i read some quotes here.
01:15:32
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ah Not like this. No, no, no. no and then later it glitched out when he tried to restore something else.
01:15:43
Speaker
And he said, it's broken mean, this... i mean this
01:15:52
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This is, i think, the worst adventure game I've ever played. ah i know there have to be worse ones out there, especially if you extend it to a world of like,
01:16:05
Speaker
amateur games or anything like that absolutely that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't count this is definitely in the hall of fame of of uh like commercial games i think pushing up roses on on her like because i was i was looking up on youtube beverly hillbilly's uh like adventure game and like i think she calls it the worst adventure game too i think it is i think you it is It never starts making sense. There's barely any dialogue or description in the game, which don't know if it has like a look command necessarily, which means unlike the Wayne's world game, which at least has a little bit of personality because it's still, there's no personality.
01:16:49
Speaker
Yeah. There's no person. I mean, yeah, nothing about it makes it, i mean, really need to be a Beverly Hillbillies game. You could just swap in any kind of property and kind of have the same green acres game would be fun.
01:17:02
Speaker
That'd be so good. It's Zsa Zsa Gabor. Oh, yeah. Zsa Zsa. She's so glamorous. know, I just don't know if, like, the country is where she's going to thrive. You know what, though? I think she's going to learn a lesson at the end of every episode.
01:17:16
Speaker
You think so? i doubt it. I think she's going remain just conceited and stuck up. I don't know if I watched Petticoat Junction. It has a great theme song.
01:17:26
Speaker
Which one? Chew it up, Ben. Which one is the... the it's Because... Green Acres has... That's Green Acres, right? Yes.
01:17:37
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which Which one? Petticoat Junction, and I recall, I haven't heard this in a long time. I think it starts out... with like some female vocals saying petticoat junction and like sort of the cadence of a train, like petticoat junction, petticoat, that sort thing. I've never heard that. Maybe I'm wrong. Okay. Now, I mean, I don't know. Maybe you shouldn't listen to petticoat junction. So I don't, ever can tell yeah I I didn't, I watched like an episode or two of it. I was more of a Beverly hillbillies and,
01:18:10
Speaker
Green Acres. Oh my God. Beverly Hillbillies ran for nine seasons, Ben. What, uh, uh, what, what other like kind of Nick at night, you know,
01:18:21
Speaker
of shows were you into you know as think i've mentioned before yeah like i was a huge laugh and fan uh which again makes gary owens eventually becoming the narrator space quest series kind of funny because i was like the one kid on the planet who was already hyped about gary owens long before he set foot anywhere near space quest so i watched the time of that i was obsessed with with the sunny and share variety hour they used to run on.
Nick at Night Nostalgia
01:18:50
Speaker
I loved it. Like seventies variety shows are absolutely like a guilty pleasure of mine. um i loved like the horrible sunny and share comedy. Oh my God. It's just so good.
01:19:03
Speaker
I, I would see Martin probably wrote on that. Didn't he like that? Maybe. Yeah. i would I would fuck up a like a run of i Love Lucy episodes.
01:19:13
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I would watch those. Lots of Get Smart for me. I love Get Smart. Get Smart? I missed, which I feel bad. like I think... um Yeah, I never got into to Get Smart.
01:19:27
Speaker
um Mel Brooks worked on that. Yeah. ah I did like... It's I, you know what? I enjoyed Munsters more than Adam's family.
01:19:41
Speaker
i think I did too as a kid. Yeah. As a kid. Yeah. I would agree with that. I mean, it's a little broader. And as a kid, that's what I was looking for. Uh, the witch, then I dream Jeannie were big ones for me. Which one was the better one?
01:19:56
Speaker
Because one of them is like actually good and because one of them is like kind of,
01:20:05
Speaker
i I think it's bewitched. I think bewitched is widely perceived as the good Because bewitched is the where it's a metaphor for feeling uncomfortable with, like, women's roles changing.
01:20:19
Speaker
Yes, that's right. It has something more to say. Like it it is, it there's like, it's playing with attention and in the United States at that moment.
01:20:32
Speaker
Yeah. I was also though, like, you know, as a big fan of I Dream Jeannie, when Space Quest 6 introduced a character named Dr. Bellows, who was named after a character from I Dream of Jeannie, was also very excited about that. So really Space Quest was just hitting all my Nick at Night interests that needed there.
01:20:49
Speaker
um I did have a crush on Samantha from The Witch. Just again, did like come over yeah i mean yeah she was beautiful. obviously anyway and What do you want? ah i'm going away Are you going to tell me that you had a crush on Suzanne Pochette
Childhood TV Crushes and Nostalgia
01:21:05
Speaker
next? Get in line.
01:21:06
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like
01:21:11
Speaker
and Yeah, no, I mean, of course. yeah More so than Barbara Eden. If we're judging... which of these shows is better based on who I had a bigger crush on is like a nine year old. It's, it's going to be bewitched. Yeah.
01:21:25
Speaker
But i mean, all of these things are better than the, bear says did he have a crush on Rhoda? no no mary tyler moore mary tyler moore yeah yeah let's see i'll just run through nick and that's uh listings here let's see i don't think i had a crush on anyone from car 54 where are you um you sure yeah let's see i don't think so um i mean i'm ah were you a big ethel fan yeah you saw vivian vance and you were just like oh Nobody on Dragnet. I'm good there. that That's the film version too. That includes Dan Aykroyd and Tom Hanks.
01:22:00
Speaker
Yeah. Let's see here. F Troop. I don't think, I mean, man, that sounds like a party, but I don't think I had a crush on anyone on F Troop.
01:22:11
Speaker
Flipper, no. No, I didn't have to. Lassie. yeah um let's see i never cared for joanie on happy days that one's out uh yeah so it's not everything that's lot link chip secret chimp nobody there uh it was it was like on the mary tyler moore show your crush was on mary tyler moore yeah i mean yeah that makes sense like you know that that show is still good have you watched an episode of the mary tyler moore show recently not super a bit recently i say recently i mean within 20 years yeah yes yes still good it's pretty good tyler moore pretty funny uh uh the bob newhart wait which one is the 70s one the bob newhart show or new i think so yeah yeah the bob newhart show is very funny i used to live near
01:23:04
Speaker
ah hu Just a block south of, i used to live ah block south of the exterior ah building. Oh, wow. That was his like his home in the Bob Newhart show.
01:23:19
Speaker
And that was so impressive to my parents. That was i mean very, and you want to know what? That's impressive to me. it it it looks, they they kept the sign the same.
01:23:30
Speaker
they They kept the sign the same on on the building. So like you can easily, because I remember I was watching it with my parents once and I'm like, wait a minute. I know that road.
01:23:41
Speaker
Wait a minute. I know that address. That's a block north. from where I live. And then like, I look and I'm just like, I walk up, you know, walk up the street one day and be like, Oh yeah, that's ah the exterior of Bob Newhart's.
01:23:56
Speaker
You know, it's not like the family matters house. I think they knocked down, like i had't in Chicago anymore. Um, But, the you know, ah married with children, ah Buckingham Fountain is still here.
01:24:09
Speaker
So there's still that.
Seinfeld's Enduring Appeal
01:24:11
Speaker
Ben, i am so absolutely furious right now. What's up? Furious. I'm looking at the list of programs broadcast by Nick at night on Wikipedia.
01:24:25
Speaker
Listen to this bullshit. Yeah. Young Sheldon. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait serving the music to be a troll what young sheman is at wait nick well all does nick at night still exist
01:24:41
Speaker
apparently yes because it's like tv channels don't exist anymore like you turn on where you central and it's like the office all day and then they played like one episode of the daily show yeah know No, but apparently it still exists. According to Wikipedia, it has young Sheldon.
01:25:04
Speaker
That's not real. It says Nick, it says Nick and that has the office. Hey, they play the office every fucking place. Like, yeah, I mean, no, this, I don't like any of this. Here's the thing. I could, I'm so angry right now. You could make a little bit of a better ah argument for, because it's like, like Bush was president.
01:25:25
Speaker
when uh uh the office was on the air at least for the first couple seasons so it's like okay that was a while ago because it's like all right when i was a kid bush wasn't president anymore what steve crow famously quit when bush yeah it's it's like i'm out of here i don't want to live in america anymore but um all right so it's like okay naked knight is on in the ninety s ah And I would watch it sometimes.
01:25:54
Speaker
And what what would be on there? It would be like 60s and 70s stuff. So it was like 20 years. I'm working through this too because like right now I'm looking at... But Young Sheldon is recent. Yes. I'm looking like mad about you.
01:26:06
Speaker
And I'm like, in my heart, I think to myself, that's not old enough for Nick at Night. But i think it's like, it is probably as old or older than all those shows that I was watching on Nick at Night. Seinfeld could be on Nick at Night.
01:26:20
Speaker
that wouldn't be a problem. You could put Seinfeld right on there. But this, yeah, this is all terrible. I'm not comfortable. My parents. One lick of this. Now that when Seinfeld went on Netflix, my parents finally watched Seinfeld.
01:26:34
Speaker
Oh, did they like it? They loved it. Now, and
Childhood Memories & Performances
01:26:38
Speaker
now and no but it this is starting last, like, I think like this was two years ago, 2023.
01:26:47
Speaker
Like my mom, like starts making like jokes about the soup Nazi. um Nice. Nice. I'm congratulations.
01:26:59
Speaker
Still funny. My dad, this is funny. i My dad, who worked an office job all the way through the entire 90s, like said to me, he's like, finally get what they were talking about.
01:27:17
Speaker
ah like it was so strange standing around the water cooler for all those years my dad just be standing there with have like coffee ah the like you know the break room and he'd be like hey has anyone gone to see a drum corps meet because that's what my dad it was and isn't to you know what a drum corps meet is No, that's a marching band for adults.
01:27:42
Speaker
yeah Okay. Cool, cool. i You know, and my dad loves that. So it's like, but he was probably like standing in, like, I mean, much like, you know, I in the metaphorical ah break room is somebody that works from home. Like i' I'll bring up, it's like, hey, anybody like ah old Sierra adventure games?
01:27:59
Speaker
Silence. So I guess I have my point. ah Anything else to save up Beverly Hill? All right. No, hold on. No, your tangent. Continue. No, no. this Yeah, no. well We'll get back to Beverly Hills. I was just going say, yeah my parents did watch Seinfeld as it aired, and I am not joking to you, Ben.
01:28:16
Speaker
I don't think it is possible to talk to my mother still here in the year 2025 for more than five minutes without her making a Seinfeld reference. I mean, that's me making a reference to 90s Simpsons episodes. That's true. It's true.
01:28:32
Speaker
It's true. like i just wish it wasn't always the contest.
01:28:41
Speaker
ah ah Oh, brother. but I mean, Beverly Hillbillies is awful. We didn't even talk about what the plot is. Like, Granny's kidnapped, and you have to make a magic elixir that'll make Jed super strong so he can rip the door off a bank vault and s save her.
01:28:59
Speaker
It's so bad. It's just such a bad game. What the fuck? Yeah. That's what you're doing. I mean, here's the thing, gang. Capstone games aren't great.
01:29:10
Speaker
I don't think I can recommend either of these. Now, I haven't played any others. Maybe if you've got... Maybe Homey Clown is very good. And it's also extremely racially sensitive. That's right. Maybe An American Tale, colon, and The Computer Adventures of Fievel and his friends. Maybe that little mouse gets up to no good and it's a really, you know, adventurous romp.
01:29:29
Speaker
I don't know. those ah Those Don Bluth movies, they were traumatizing. You were a little old for them. Yeah. mean, well, all right. The Secret of Nim, you you would have been a kid for, right?
01:29:44
Speaker
Secret Nim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We watched that in, like, library at school. I just remember watching The Land Before Time. and that like all of those Don Bluth movies just start with like you know somebody being separated from their parents like the most terrifying thing in the world if you're like you know six okay no absolutely you know you know the song from American Tale the somewhere out there song um somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight that's that thing
01:30:20
Speaker
ah I can say ah that you did drag to it as Cleopatra close, close. ah No, ah my girlfriend, as as a young middle schooler, ah was we were in choir together.
01:30:37
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And while the choir for a concert sang that, she did a beautiful ballet number to it, along with our beautiful rendition of Somewhere Out There. And Ben, I don't want you to laugh at this because it's dead serious.
01:30:54
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This is important to me. This is a formative memory. I still remember it.
01:31:01
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ah So I want you to take this very seriously. All right, I'm ready. And just say, great job, Jess. ah Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah. So that's the story. She's in ballet.
01:31:12
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Oh, it was beautiful. It was lovely. I thought you were going to say something that was going to make me laugh. She pooped her pants. No. no Wah,
01:31:21
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wah. Swing.
Capstone Games Critique & Listener Engagement
01:31:25
Speaker
All right. Well, folks, that was our discussion of the Capstone um Entertainment family of games ah based around two games.
01:31:36
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another fine capstone product another more like crap stone oh jess that's inappropriate i'm sorry i got a little blue yeah i got a little blue let's not get blue uh right well you can send us a podcast uh at
01:31:58
Speaker
But you can send us an email at questquestpodcast at gmail.com. che us ah Shoot us say an email and maybe we'll read it uh we'll definitely read it whether we read it on the air is the real question what's your favorite capstone game uh uh was it uh what's your what's your favorite center synergistic game was it uh diablo hellfire that's my favorite synergistic game because that's the only one i've played and the rest look like junk and i'm probably not going to go back and play uh front page get were the front page sports games good
01:32:37
Speaker
I mean, Interaction told me they were very good. yeah If you read Interaction, you you would certainly think, yes. I only had experience with front page sports, football and baseball. Is that the whole is all they ever did? Were there ever other sports?
01:32:54
Speaker
I'm making faces. just yeah You don't hear that, but I'm making, don't know. Yeah. faces The football game was, the one I played was very buggy. Like it was just a mess. It couldn't, couldn't really run well. That's weird.
01:33:06
Speaker
Neither one of them was as good as the average console football or baseball game. Like, i mean, they were, they were PC in a way that really held them back. yeah I can't recommend front page sports really.
01:33:20
Speaker
I loved any game with real rosters at the time. And at least they had that. yeah that's cool well uh if you enjoyed front page sports uh send us an email at quest quest podcast at uh gmail.com uh and be sure to uh rate and review it helps people find this podcast wouldn't you want people to hear what we've been saying wouldn't you want to find out uh about all of the uh women of uh nick at night That's right. Don't you want to have crushes on? Yeah, we got to have that. We got to have that discussion.
01:33:56
Speaker
You know, Frasier should be on Nick at night. That would be fun. Let me check that. Let me, did he have a crush on Daphne? Yes. Yeah, of course. Yes. Daphne moon affirmative. Uh, yeah, I did.
Nick at Night Lineup Confusion
01:34:10
Speaker
Yeah. It looks like Frasier, according to this list has not aired on Nick at night, but, uh, you know what has what, um,
01:34:19
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I'm looking for a good one here. I should have queued something up. ah God, I don't understand how young Sheldon is on this list. ah That only just ended.
01:34:32
Speaker
I know. yeah And not a moment too soon. um Pinky and the Brain? Naked Night? That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. That's a cartoon. Cartoons are not. We need to get our Wikipedia man on this entry. We gotta to get our Wikipedia man in here. Alright.
01:34:48
Speaker
But until then, join us next week when we discuss our Wikipedia man and what he's been up to.
01:35:19
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It's kind of cute. There it is. It's like someone stepping
Conclusion & Teaser for Next Episode
01:35:25
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on ducks. Yeah.
01:36:06
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man. Ken Williams wants you to buy a sound blaster. Goodbye, everybody.