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The extra O's are for "Oh boy, we're talking about Looom!"*
*The extra o there is a typo.
Quest Quest podcast is Ben Vigeant and Jess Morrissette.
Editing by Ben Vigeant
Show art by Kevin "WilcoWeb" Wallace
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Introduction to 'Quest' Podcast
00:00:59
Speaker
butooop poop butooop poop poop It's Quest Quest. The adventure game podcast. her You know, I'm glad I came up with something towards it because I was just like, am I just going to let this just keep going and not do anything?
00:01:12
Speaker
But now. What happens? Does it loop? Are we stuck here forever? Are we trapped like a genie's curse? I mean, I could make it loop like our, ah you know, like our email tune or what's playing tune. But no, it will. It will end.
00:01:28
Speaker
One day there will be a podcast where you hear.
Oreo Cookie Debates
00:01:31
Speaker
ah Let's see how long that is.
00:01:35
Speaker
um 19 minutes yeah it's uh it is two minutes and seven seconds i wonder how far we made it today listeners right in quest quest podcast.com get your stopwatches out and tell us how long the theme song lasted this week yeah let us know jess you and i were talking um right before this uh about oreo flavors oreo flavors and ben i think you and i it turns out are of a similar mind ah about this because first of all let's just get cards on the table oreos are good cookies yeah no question i mean i don't know what's wrong with you if you think oreos aren't good cookies i believe oreos are also vegan which is upsetting
00:02:26
Speaker
i I think that's like one of those things where they are vegan, but I don't know if all of them are vegan, you know? The thing is... They're vegan, but not cruelty-free. And don't exactly understand how that works. So that's upsetting.
00:02:40
Speaker
um So, okay. i were We're aligned. ah We both agree that that your your classic Oreo, your basic Oreo...
00:02:54
Speaker
is the superior Oreo, though I i stand with, and and I count this as this, you you might you you might go like Benjamin. No. i ah I believe that like a double stuff is your definitive, like is your actual canonical Oreo. Mm-hmm.
00:03:19
Speaker
ah Ben, I don't want to turn conspiracy theorist on you. But I believe and I believe this is my heart of hearts. I'm a truther when it comes to this.
00:03:29
Speaker
I believe today's double stuffed Oreo is actually closer to yesterday's one and a half stuffed Oreo. I do not think a double stuff. has as much cream. Oh, you think that double stuffs have become less stuff.
00:03:45
Speaker
I think that a regular Oreo is a 0.75 stuffed now. and And double stuffed is a 1.5 stuffed Oreo. can't prove that, but let me tell you, as a kid, I would get a double stuffed Oreo. I'd be like, oh, this is too much cream.
00:04:01
Speaker
This is a cram. ah This is, this is, this is, I can't handle it. Remember it's vegan. That's right. ah Cram. um Too much cram. Cram is vegan. c Cream is not vegan. That's just, yeah.
00:04:14
Speaker
Cream comes from a cow. Some sort of mammals involved in cream. Yeah. Cram comes from ah ah ah a cow with an accent a gue on top, and it but it's not really a cow. That's right. But no.
00:04:28
Speaker
Like when I was a kid, I'd get a double stuffed. and I'd be like, oh, this is too much. I want my cookie to cram ratio is all off. But today I get double stuffed and I'm like, this is perfect. This is the Oreo I want.
00:04:40
Speaker
And you have to assume that the the relationship should be the opposite. Like as a kid, I should be willing to eat the way too much cream, way too sweet Oreo happily. And as an adult, I would mature to a less stuffed Oreo.
00:04:54
Speaker
But the fact that I can eat a double stuffed today makes me think a double stuffed is less stuffed than it used to be. Comments. I'm sure there's someone that's done like look this up.
00:05:04
Speaker
I was shocked. I'm looking at Wikipedia right now. um And what year did the double stuffed Oreo debut? 1984. off by 10 years. ah you're off by ten years oh 74 for you see i was joking i said 74 that's um that's unbelievable yeah when when did oreos debut this is uh hold on let's take a look here and doesn't mention that oreos were introduced uh march 6th uh 1912
00:05:40
Speaker
nineteen twelve Wow. Now do they have an upsetting history like they were supposed to stop people from masturbating or anything? yeah assume all delicious crackers and cookies at some level are about a puritanical quest and self-pleasure.
00:05:55
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was it was determined. They were created ah to to prevent masturbation. The double stuff, it looks...
00:06:08
Speaker
Oh, well, all right. So here here here we go. ah Under varieties in Wikipedia, in addition to the traditional design of two chocolate wafers separated by a creme, and I'll note, it does have an accent raw over the creme filling. Oreo cookies have been produced in a multitude of different varieties since first introduced.
00:06:31
Speaker
This list is only a guide to some of the more notable and popular types. which i just I just wanted to read that because I just like the idea of, you know, notable, notable ah popular types.
00:06:48
Speaker
the um Anyway, ah i right i was looking I... here and i did want to note that ah i there There is ah the the birth birthday cake Oreo.
00:07:07
Speaker
Yes. Is that on a yellow cookie? That's a yellow cookie with like the that that cupcake frosting flavor. And so my question for you is And I wonder if this is not like, I wonder if, you know, ah our, our, our friends in the rest of the world, ah you know, that, that ah do they, do they enjoy the remarkable variety of Oreos that we Americans have?
00:07:39
Speaker
I hope so. Yeah. I hope so. That's something that we have you know kept to ourselves. Yeah. um but uh but anyway shame if some part of american culture had been exported to the entire world um
00:07:56
Speaker
yeah you know what jesse right um real oversight yeah in uh how'd we miss that one ah ah But anyway, i i just wanted to ask. I looked this up about international Oreos, and it turns out in Soviet Russia, Oreo double stuffs you.
00:08:23
Speaker
Is that thing? Do people still make those great jokes? ah I want to put a pin. Let's remember, we're going to return to birthday cake flavor. Yes, this is important. that i I feel like I'm getting the most targeted ah ah advertisement right now, which is I'm getting an advertisement for Culver's.
Fast Food and Cookie Conversations
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which I don't believe you have Culver's, you've been to Culver's, right? Oh, I know Culver's. Yeah, we we are we are close enough to Culver's. can get to Lexington, Kentucky in like an hour and a half and enjoy some delicious frozen custard.
00:09:00
Speaker
So that is a a Midwestern American a fast food chain, which does ah custard and ah butter burgers.
00:09:11
Speaker
Butter burgers, yes. Butter is like... you know what it sounds like to like to to say to like uh you know people listen it's like they'd go like yeah of course you're gonna put butter on a burger uh but uh you know how you're eating burgers you're eating burgers you're like this feels a little too healthy i'm afraid there's not enough like cholesterol and fat in this it's like butter solves that yeah it's like putting butter in your coffee butter's healthy everywhere But anyway, I just wanted to say that i I'm getting an advertisement for Culver's specifically that just says, make room for dessert.
00:09:47
Speaker
Today's flavor is ah dark chocolate peanut butter ah ah custard. And I'm just like...
00:09:58
Speaker
you should go time By the time we're we're done recording, Culver's is going to be closed. also, I don't live that far from Like an independently owned custard place, which is excellent.
00:10:14
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um I like Indy custard. Yeah, Indy. Mainstream custard. Yeah, and yeah corporate custard. ah Yeah, corporate. Those corpos with their custard.
00:10:26
Speaker
Anyway, where are you on birthday cake flavor? Because I was explaining before we were on the air, I was i was trying to just about how in 2020, one of my little treats to myself is we were dealing with all the 2020 of it all was that every week I would get a different flavor of Oreos and ah just to kind of ah test it out and ah landed on that the boring old Oreos are the best ones, but... Objectively correct. Where do you land on birthday cake flavor?
00:11:02
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Well, first of all, I think it's a lie if you eat them on any day other than your birthday. So that's not okay. But beyond that, let let me tell you my general opinion on any Oreo that has...
00:11:15
Speaker
like the the white or yellow cakey kind of cookie with it. I believe that if you aren't dealing with the classic chocolate Oreo, almost without exception, they are too sweet.
00:11:26
Speaker
I feel like the cocoa powder, the cocoa powder in the classic, you know, brown or black Oreo cookie um is needed to balance out the sweetness of the creme.
00:11:39
Speaker
Otherwise, it's just sweet on sweet and it is too much for me. Jess, can I ah break in with news about another advertisement I'm being served on this page? d to d d d d deep d d d d d d d to d d i So it's ah moved on from ah that advertisement ah for Culver's and then later an advertisement just for Sargento Cheese.
00:12:03
Speaker
And now it's an advertisement for Zempick. ah So... Oh no, that seems mean. Why do I just keep getting... ads for ed drugs i've been i've been talking about oreos too where are my oreo hats remember uh that that guy that was like on twitter he's like uh he's like look at this it's a a sign of the degeneracy of today all i i went to like the new york times website or whatever and all i get is ads for gay cruises I was like, I was trying to remember exactly who it was. And i I, yeah, the cruises right when you did, it's like, how weird. I don't know what this is. I keep getting all these ads for gay cruises, the new York times, they or I don't know if it was the New York times. It was just something like that.
00:12:55
Speaker
my mother or generous
00:12:59
Speaker
It's like, bro, your cookies. man speaking of cookies, so where do you end up on birthday cake? Too sweet. Ben, are you in the same camp? Too sweet?
00:13:10
Speaker
Yeah. Too sweet. Too sweet. ah here's Here's where I land on on those, which is also, it's like, i and actually, this is my case, ah like my take on like 90% of non-normal Oreos, ah which is to say,
00:13:31
Speaker
the first cookie or two, I'll be like, Hmm, pretty good. And then by cookie three, I'll just be like, this is just too sweet.
00:13:42
Speaker
It's just too sweet. But like it gets you on the first and that's how I am with, uh, like birthday cake, uh, Oreos or birthday cake flavor is that it's like up front.
00:13:57
Speaker
I'm a fan. And then towards the end, like or or in the middle like you know it's essentially that i could just eat and eat and eat oreos well that's the thing i was going to say any oreo flavor that you don't at least have the thought that i should eat an entire row from this package like whether you do it or not part of you should be like I could totally dust off that entire row or column or whatever.
00:14:23
Speaker
And, you know, just seal this little baby back up and do it again tomorrow. If you aren't thinking that something's gone wrong with the flavor, because a regular Oreo, you take one, you're like, yeah, I could eat the next 12 or whatever it is that makes up this column of Oreos.
00:14:38
Speaker
where That's one serving says in America. And where are you on ah Girl Scout? cookies. Are you a Girl Scout cookie? Well, first off, you have ah girl.
00:14:49
Speaker
Is she a Girl Scout? She went to one Girl Scout meeting. think knew this. Yeah. and And noped out of it real fast. Like the idea, everything the Girl Scouts did, i think, was anathema to who she was. Like being outside, ah crafts, ah helping the community, all those sorts of things are things she does not believe in at all. um Like archery was somewhat appealing.
00:15:18
Speaker
Oh, archery was fun. Yeah. But I think beyond that, no, nothing. But I do love her close friends. Whoever best friends is ah Girl Scout.
00:15:28
Speaker
So you can use from her. we We have a cookie supplier. Yeah, that lives just down the street. So my wife is big, a big ah big thin mints fan. And I will say ah thin mints out of the freezer. You freeze them.
00:15:43
Speaker
That's the thing. Out the freezer. They're, they're really special, but mint isn't chocolate. Mint isn't my go-to. Nope. I am. I'm a weirdo. And I know these go by a couple of different names. The one I know them by is the Samoas, the caramel coconut. I think those are considered them. Like, I think thin mints and Samoas are, are the two tops.
00:16:05
Speaker
but I guess both of them are potentially just total deal breakers. There are people who do not want chocolate mint and people who hate coconut. Yeah. Uh, but for me, yeah the, the coconut caramel chocolate is absolutely where it's at. That was my girl scout cookie as a kid.
00:16:21
Speaker
It continues to be on through today. Ben, how about you? Where you at on the girl scout? So when I was a kid, I liked a thin mints and I loved, uh, the the cookie that was thin mint, except instead of mint, it was a peanut butter. that a tag along?
00:16:37
Speaker
ah Yeah, I think so. But now, you know... when i When I was a child, I played with childish things. Yeah, you spake like a child, I remember.
00:16:49
Speaker
And now it is time for me to put aside childish things and enjoy ah much more sophisticated and adult cookie, which is to say a Samoa. Yeah, I mean, that is an adult cookie. That has a much more complicated flavor, has a variety of textures.
00:17:06
Speaker
ah That is a great, cookie. Um, yeah. but And then I get a couple of the other ones, uh, like every, all the, the weird ones I'll, I'll get, like, I'll get two boxes of, uh, like from, from my Girl Scout cookie hookup.
00:17:24
Speaker
Uh, I, I get, i'll I'll get two boxes of Samoas and then I'll look through the sheet and go like, what are like the weird new ones? Yeah. It is important to always get like one box of Girl Scout cookies you don't plan to enjoy.
00:17:40
Speaker
Right. I feel like you get your favorites and then you're like, I'm going get this one that I'm absolutely not going to like. I know one of the newer ones that I kind of did like, uh, that tried, uh, I think the year before last lemon ups.
00:17:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Are those like the glazed lemon ones? Yeah. Those are good. They have inspirational messages on the cookie, which makes me feel good. I like getting a cookie out that says, like, I'm a go-getter on it. Because, you I am a go-getter, Ben. And sometimes I need to be reminded of that.
00:18:09
Speaker
let me Let me look here. Because Adventure Fools? Oh, man. That should be the official cookie of Quest Quest. What's an Adventure Fools? I'm going to call it.
00:18:21
Speaker
oh man i oh wow what we got going on holds are quote indulgent brownie inspired brownie inspired cookies topped with a caramel flavored creme with a hint of sea salt pretty good pretty good don't know i don't i don't love this uh salted caramel thing i'm not you're not salty guy i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you You don't even notice it.
00:18:48
Speaker
Uh, it is okay very light on the salt. You're saying this isn't a ah terribly challenging Girl Scout cookie. It's not really pushing the boundaries. It's pretty good. I, I also got, uh, this time around, I got the, uh, the Girl Scout s'mores.
00:19:03
Speaker
Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. You know, it's a standard. That one feels like they're there. Like that felt like a cookie I'd had before. it You know what it tasted like? It tasted like a s'more Pop-Tart.
00:19:16
Speaker
So well, like ah that's a good, i mean, that's not a bad thing. then then you'll like ah the Girl Scout s'mores cookies. Then I got a Lemon Ups.
00:19:27
Speaker
Sometimes I'll get the Toffee-tastic, which is gluten-free... I love a toffee cookie. yeah That's my family... my my proud family cookie.
00:19:41
Speaker
like If my mom is making cookies like to bring to like the bake sale... toffee cookies. She has a recipe.
00:19:53
Speaker
and If my mom was making cookies, they'd be tough cookies, as in tough cookies, make your own. Yeah. Well, I feel like we've... ah ah You know, I saw frozen s'mores today at Target.
00:20:07
Speaker
And what's up with that? Who needs frozen s'mores? Now, hold on Were they s'mores that were frozen? were they s'mores that were branded?
00:20:17
Speaker
where theymos yeah mo um remember Were they that were branded as frozen They were all in the freezer section. ah Fully assembled s'mores, ready to be microwaved, I suppose, to become hot.
00:20:36
Speaker
S'mores? i Maybe they had ice cream in them. maybe I don't know. I don't know. I don't like s'mores already. They're too messy. Too messy to enjoy. That is my official ruling on s'mores.
00:20:47
Speaker
i I don't disagree with that. i I like s'mores... The only context that I enjoy S'more um a good smore and is is is a is a campfire and a good S'more.
00:21:03
Speaker
um Also, but I like them more in theory, but Jess, I think you and I might be aligned here, which is I don't like to get shit on my hands. Or yeah, i don't like to shove my hands. I don't want to ruin my shirt either. Like, I but yeah go through life thinking. I don't want to look like a sloppy boy.
00:21:22
Speaker
I don't like I have like a lot of concern about, and especially unknowingly going through a day being a sloppy boy. I just bought a pair of yellow pants and lambber I am just, I'm like, I'm just like, why did I spend this money on a pair of pants that is just immediately going to be like, just permanently ruined.
00:21:46
Speaker
Like when I like spill coffee or spill pretty much jenie anything yeah ah on it, like it, it is uh it's terrible my old years ago bought a pair of white linen pants yeah and i still have them because they've been hanging in my closet because i'm terrified to wear them was that when you were going through your tom wolf uh phase you were like absolutely was and and that was what i was trying to uh i do start every school year to decide i'm gonna have like a new like
00:22:17
Speaker
wardrobe persona like this year i'm gonna be like this i'm gonna be like sweater vest jess and i roll in i teach like the first few weeks of the semester in sweater vests and i'm like god sweater vests suck and i lose them and then the next year i'm like you know what if i am uh you know like oxford shirt and a tie jess and that lasts for a few weeks and i'm like eight i've seen you in a tie and i don't think i've ever seen you more uncomfortable no no no no it's not like the last time
00:22:51
Speaker
We were in person hanging out together. You were coming from a conference and I don't think I was in a tie. I think I was just a sports coat. Uh, and that alone was enough from the Shaquille O'Neal collection.
00:23:02
Speaker
But I think that was enough. I mean, I think I emotionally had a neck tie on. I feel like I was like, but you can tell that I don't belong like that. That's not me. That's not me. All right.
00:23:13
Speaker
But you know, been wondering
Gaming Discussions: From Cookies to Northgard
00:23:16
Speaker
Ben. Yeah. What have you been wondering? I'm going to transition, but I know that that I have to be the one to go first.
00:23:24
Speaker
Yeah, no, we discussed this extensively. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Ben, i guess the question I want to ask is... What you been playing?
00:23:35
Speaker
Well, Jess... Very smooth. Very natural. Yeah.
00:23:48
Speaker
been playing a bit of Northgard. Have you heard of this? Northgard? I don't think so. North G-A-R-D. It's been out for a while.
00:23:59
Speaker
Okay, that name is kind of familiar. I'm looking at it now. And you're like, I've seen this. like i you're you're You're probably looking at it and going like, I've scrolled past this during a Steam sale.
00:24:13
Speaker
Yes. It looks like it is kind of game that would be very on sale at any given minute. And the...
00:24:26
Speaker
So this is a game, I've been playing it for years. it looks like there's an unpopular new update because I see recent reviews mixed. Haven't messed around with the update stuff.
00:24:41
Speaker
I just play it with a friend of mine, maybe sometimes two friends of mine. It is a real-time strategy game where you build like a ah little like Viking settlement.
00:24:57
Speaker
And there's, I think in the base game, probably like six or eight Viking clans to pick from. And now there's like a ton. of like It's just been DLCing.
00:25:11
Speaker
This game came out in 2018. They're still putting out like new clans every, you know, six months or whatever. Yeah, that's what I'm seeing here in Google images is a series of clan release PR.
00:25:24
Speaker
Yeah. And it is, it's a lot of fun because I play that these people. This is a Shiro games. They also made the Dune, the new Dune strategy game, not Westwood's Dune strategy game.
00:25:44
Speaker
So are we looking at like real-time strategy here? It's real-time. It's more like city builder. It's real-time strategy, and it has like combat. It kind of looks in action like...
00:25:55
Speaker
The graphic style me kind of suggests a Warcraft 3. Yeah, it's somewhere between a Warcraft 3 and maybe like Age of Empires from looking at some screenshots maybe.
00:26:09
Speaker
I would say, I would, more on kind of that 3D kind of cartoonish. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:18
Speaker
But what I have a lot of fun playing this game. So I play with my friend James and he's better at the game.
00:26:29
Speaker
We play co-op and he just pretty much beats the game. And I just like slowly build like a little Viking town. And then it goes victory because he hit.
00:26:40
Speaker
Oh man, love that. That's the way to play an RTS cooperative. He met one of the the victory conditions and I'm like, hooray, we did it. and I hate building an army in games like that. i just want to make a cute little village and harvest resources.
00:26:55
Speaker
how don't want build barracks. Yeah. Like, and I'm exaggerating, but only a little bit.
00:27:04
Speaker
Uh, just a little bit. Like it pretty much is him playing and beating the game. And I'm just like, kind of like, I, he knows all the clans. I have one DLC clan that I just play. I'm like, I'm not learning any of these other clans.
00:27:21
Speaker
Well, you know, Just a few weeks ago, streamed a couple of hours of Command & Conquer Red Alert 3. And I discovered that my old man brain can't handle a fast-paced RTS anymore. like I used to enjoy, you know, I played a lot Warcraft. warcraft up played lot Total Annihilation.
00:27:44
Speaker
The sensory overload of Red Alert 3, which I suspect is a little more crazy than the average That's my design. Yeah, that's right. It's supposed to be an over-the-top. I think that's sort what the Red Alert spinoff series is all about. But yeah, this this one does look pretty charming.
00:28:01
Speaker
It's very charming, i think, when it goes... Because at this point, they have so much DLC that I think... Like when the Steam sale hits in like a couple of weeks, you'll probably like be able to get the base game, which is very like perfectly good for a pretty good deal.
00:28:25
Speaker
But yeah, like it's just kind of like, I just have a a pleasant time playing it. We also played it on easy. Like, you know, we're not even messing, or like we're just putting it on easy.
00:28:39
Speaker
I just have like a nice little build order, a nice little strategy that I do. And i have a nice little time when I make my little village. And meanwhile, like all like scroll over and see James's town. And he's like already expanded, like super
00:28:58
Speaker
You know what actually this reminds me of is a couple years back, I think it was Age of Empires IV?
00:29:11
Speaker
Like Microsoft Game Studios or Ensemble or whoever it is that makes that put out like the like the new Age of Empires, but it was essentially just like a sequel to Age of Empires 2.
00:29:25
Speaker
his Age of Empires 1 was Roman times and 3 was like kind of age by exploring like like like colonial era. Yeah. So this was was just Age of Empires 2. Or maybe it was like a remake. I don't, it's been so long. Anyway. It's hard to say. I was so excited. The whole day i watched like a video, like a YouTube video about build orders. I was like really, ah really trying to to get into it.
00:29:52
Speaker
And I play it, and I play it against my my buddy, not not James, a a different friend. Wow, you bragged about all these friends, I feel like. Yeah, and then he, like, Zerg rushes me in five minutes, and the game's over. And I, like, was like, all right, I'm not playing this anymore. And I deleted the game, and that was that. Like, I was just like, you just totally rained on my parade. Like, I was just so... I spent the whole day so excited about this. And then he just, like... knocked over my sandcastle in two seconds.
00:30:24
Speaker
That was how, that was how co-op Warcraft 2 with my buddy JP ended one summer. We were both home from college and we would dial into our modems and play.
00:30:39
Speaker
And it took two or three Zerg rushes. Bro, like, you know what? I don't want to play Warcraft 2 with you anymore. Forget this. And yeah, that's just not cool. It's not cool, man.
00:30:51
Speaker
It's not cool, man. Anyway, it's hard for me to believe that RTSs were once like the killer genre. It is odd. Isn't that crazy? It feels so niche.
00:31:03
Speaker
At some level. I mean, I think it's a great genre that you could do neat stuff with. But, yeah, the idea that this was, like, at some level, you know, like, up there with first-person shooters in terms the sort of things that would be, like, big, exciting cover stories on gaming magazines.
00:31:20
Speaker
You know, it's like, oh, man, the new Total Annihilation's coming out, it's got destructible environments. Total Annihilation's pretty good, though. Never played Total Annihilation. It was fine.
00:31:33
Speaker
All right. Well, you heard it here. Jess, what? Oh, hold on. Wow. Jess, what have you been playing?
Exploring 'Loom': An Adventure Game
00:31:40
Speaker
Well, Ben, I've been playing the latest masterpiece in fantasy storytelling from Lucasfilm's Brian Moriarty.
00:31:49
Speaker
I've been playing Loom. And that's what we're going to talk about today. So kill the music. No, we're just going to keep it for the rest of the podcast. I can't handle it. I can't handle it. No, I mean, this one's hot off the presses in the sense that as we record this, I just played and streamed ah Loom ah for the first time ever ah last night. I played it start to finish.
00:32:13
Speaker
I'd never played through Loom before beyond just the short demo that LucasArts released. And I was so caught up in the Loom experience that...
00:32:24
Speaker
Ben had all these great ideas of what we're going to talk about ah today. He had pitches for some of the best episodes imaginable. And I said, no, I want to talk about Loom.
00:32:35
Speaker
And Ben threw all of them out because he respects me that much. Ben, over to you. You know, the funny thing is I realized that ah ah I had that list of co-op games I was going to ah follow up on that email but with, but we're not going to read this.
00:32:51
Speaker
No. that That's for next time now. That's getting bumped again. teaser bumped. See you later, list of games. So, Jess, I didn't watch your stream all the way to the end the last night. How far did you make it?
00:33:05
Speaker
I completed the game. You beat the game. Okay. I beat the game in like two hours and 15 minutes. I haven't checked to see yet if that's a world record, but I assume it's got to at least be on the leaderboard.
00:33:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I would say so. william is typically a six hour game for most players. So well it's so hard. It's so hard. ah The arcade sequence has got me. Yeah, yeah.
00:33:26
Speaker
And well, and there's that that poker ah sequence, he must have gotten like really good. r It's so hard to play poker with musical notes. Like it's such an like an extrapolation of like the poker mechanic to like figure out, you know, okay, what series of notes do I use to to discard a two of hearts?
00:33:46
Speaker
And yeah, it really slowed me down. It was like monkey combat all over again. but Anyway, okay. Setting the table. Boom. Comes out in 1990. It's the game that follows ah Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. It's followed by a Secret of Monkey Island, ah which, you know, of those two games ah that Lucasfilm Games ah put out that year, that was obviously the one that dictated, oh this is how we're going to make all of our games from now on.
00:34:29
Speaker
Um... Absolutely. I mean, you can see, i mean, there's there's clearly a common DNA. there's There's some, you know, Monkey Island-esque moments in Loom. ah But yeah, it's it's Monkey Island that captures everybody's attention. yeah and And Loom is sort of sort of an interesting story on the side of this meteoric rise to prominence for LucasArts.
00:34:51
Speaker
So Loom is a game where, uh, before we even get into the plot, it, it has a very interesting, like it is, it throws away uh, traditional interface of like the scum, uh, uh, games to that point and the following scum games, which is that replaces all of the verbs like, and,
00:35:22
Speaker
there is only one inventory item and it is that you, ah cast spells, uh, which are all, uh, four note little, little tunes.
00:35:37
Speaker
Yeah. Four musical notes, uh, that essentially serve as your verbs, uh, in this game. Uh, yeah. Inventory is gone. Traditional verbs are gone. Instead.
00:35:49
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if you need to open a locked door, you play the series of four musical notes on your staff, your disc staff, that are required to open that door. So and in that sense, I mean, I don't know if we were using this term back in 1990, but I feel like in a lot of ways, Loom is kind of an experimental game within the genre.
00:36:08
Speaker
I mean, I think that, I mean, this is a pretty wild departure from what you expect from an an adventure game at that time. Loom is a game that would have been ah hot, hot, hot,
00:36:20
Speaker
Indie Darling, if it came out in 2009. Oh, man. Yeah, it would have. Unfortunately, it was 19 years too early, and people spent, you know, 50 or whatever. You spent 50, $19.90 on it. Yes. And were furious that they completed it in two hours.
00:36:45
Speaker
Because it is... really easy i mean it would be hard to go through this game and take much more than i imagine three or four hours tops to finish it if you're really like having just like really enjoying the scenery and boy it's beautiful scenery it is i mean so so yeah so you you interact only with spells that are four note tunes the uh
00:37:18
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The music is all Swan Lake, which also like takes like kind of like ideas from a little bit in its storytelling. Like there's swans and shit in it.
00:37:36
Speaker
There's tons of swans. There's swans everywhere. um ah But ah the the the game is, is that you're ah Bob and it's it's kind of a,
00:37:48
Speaker
you know, a young man gets a call to action. You're a mysterious orphan. Like for such a unique and strange game, i think it, I think, I think, and this is very much by, like, I think this is intentional is that it gives you a very kind of standard hero narrative.
00:38:08
Speaker
ah Like it's like, okay, you know, you are at the cusp of like, you know ah manhood. You're like a teenage boy. that new age is dawning that is pulled kind of reluctantly into like this, uh, grand adventure that takes you from like your small secluded Island across, uh, across the world, ah to, to meet like people, ah and, and fight a great evil and beat a, like a a dragon and blow up the death star.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah, like it is, it has a very standard hero's journey. It it just, the game itself is very ah like experimental in how it has music, yeah like how it uses its music, how it uses ah like, you know, the spell casting and like the the construction of the world. You can tell it was It was by ah Brian Moriarty, who came from Infocom. This was his first and only completed project at Lucas.
00:39:27
Speaker
And it does have a little bit of, like, the weirdness that an Infocom original would have. An Infocom original was usually a little jokier the way that a lot of adventure games are.
00:39:44
Speaker
like... like A lot of those Infocom games like had and ah like where were really good about like creating these slightly off kilter in original like fantasy worlds.
00:40:03
Speaker
Like even the world of Zork. Yeah, it's not. Is pretty strange. Yeah. In ways. You know, I'm just realizing looking around at some Google images, how similar the cover art for wish bringer is to the cover art for loom with a couple of hands, like, you know, bending some light along the way. So yeah, this is Brian Moriarty loved hands.
00:40:31
Speaker
Yeah. He was ah real hand guy. Yeah. um He, he loved pissing off artists.
00:40:40
Speaker
Draw some hands for me. yeah No, but this, yeah, this one is, you know, a curious world. Yeah, you mentioned earlier you are Bob and Threadbear.
00:40:55
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You're this young man, ah mysterious ah family origin. ah You're a member of the Weavers Guild, and suddenly the third age of darkness has befallen the land, and and you're off on a quest to basically hold all of reality together at some level.
00:41:14
Speaker
Yeah. how You do that by playing music, playing little ditties. Yeah. Um, let's talk a little bit about the art, which is spectacular. Stunning. And I think and probably I'm guessing most of our listeners already know this is the correct answer, but loom is a game meant to be played in its original 16 color EGA version.
00:41:39
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There's a VGA version later. with full voices and I think a digital soundtrack. They cut down ah the dialogue. Yes. Because I think they, I think I could be wrong.
00:41:52
Speaker
I believe that the audio they recorded as CD tracks. Yes. So they didn't have the space, I believe is the case. This is also like ah sparsely written game to begin with. Cutting down the dialogue a lot further is really a a questionable choice. But yeah,
00:42:11
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The 16 color looks gorgeous. It is so moody. It is so dreamlike and evocative. The night scenes are just all a palette of blacks and blues, much like, I mean, it reminds me a lot of Melee Island. Yes.
00:42:30
Speaker
And the 16 color version of Secret of Monkey Island, which, again, I would say arguably is the definitive version of secret of monkey island as well yeah the the vga version of secret of monkey island gets away with it like Of all of the, like the VGA, ah like the 256 color ah versions that Lucas did during that transition, Secret of Monkey Island is the one that looks the best.
00:43:02
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and I would agree. like Yeah, definitely. Like, i there's there's less, like if you tell people, like it's I'm going to stream Loom and I'm going to stream it like stream the version that when you buy it off of ah Steam or even Gog, I think, ah like and it's the 256 color one everyone is just going to like scream at you, no!
00:43:29
Speaker
Oh yeah. People get mad. Like that was the first thing people asked when they popped into my stream last night as a stream. This was a version this. You play him. Like it was really a litmus test right away. um you know, if you're playing the wrong version, I may not stick around and watch this garbage. i I think the next version of it that people are like, okay with is the FM towns version.
00:43:58
Speaker
Yes. But even then, i don't... Because I i think... like So I'm looking at like screenshots of FM Town's version, and it looks fine.
00:44:14
Speaker
But I think that there is... ah like a the the the original, like the color version like makes a meal out of its limitations.
00:44:33
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And, uh, I was actually, I was trying to Grayson about this, ah earlier is that I think like,
00:44:42
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the difference between like those Lucas like transition ones, like, you know, monkey Island 16 and monkey Island 256 loom 16, et cetera, et cetera.
00:44:55
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Indiana Jones is like the difference between those. And like, let's say like the Sierra VGA versions, because he brought that up when I said that he's like, well, you know, there's like the, the Sierra ones and those, but These are all like these Lucas ones are all like just they they took ah the the original and just painted over it. It added more colors.
00:45:22
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Yes. And which seldom makes it better. No, like it's just like the the original is just what it was drawn and meant to look like.
00:45:35
Speaker
And then it's just like, all right, well, I guess we can add more colors. And I think the biggest crimes for me when I look at like comparisons is that there are a lot of scenes which totally like suffice with black.
00:45:53
Speaker
Yes. And that's because they were drawn with the assumption that they had this limited palette. Yeah. and that black was there for a reason. They were, these scenes were laid out and com composed the way they are to make the most of this limited palette. And as a result, when you just go in, it's like,
00:46:12
Speaker
But we can paint a lot of stuff into those dark spaces. Yeah. It doesn't make any better. yeah It's like if you had all that limited palette, then you wouldn't have needed to have arranged this scene this way the first place. But this is this is all known. This is all settled.
00:46:25
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ah We all know 16 colors. This is settled law. Yeah. If you aren't going to play the 16 color version, you want to play the TurboGrafx 16 version. Yeah, you want to play the...
00:46:36
Speaker
It also adds, uh, like it also has ah a level where you're in a rocket ship. it Yeah. a youe Yeah. Yeah. That that's much better. Yeah. I mean, it's fun watching segment.
00:46:48
Speaker
Yeah. Watching Bob and square off against bonk with his big swollen head.
00:46:54
Speaker
is good. I mean, they are like, you know, sort of from the same, uh, from the same cloth at some level in the sense, you know, Bobbin solves everything with his staff and Bonk just hits shit with his head.
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah. That's how he solves puzzles. Yeah. Essentially, if you have a character that just does one thing, they're all the same. Um, now, uh, so,
00:47:21
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the One of the other cool things about the game is that ah it came with a really great manual ah that, like, you were you were urged to, and this is what I did, like, it was the Book of Patterns. It had all the spells, plus a bunch of red herrings, spells that you do not learn or use during the game, which...
00:47:48
Speaker
As a kid, I would just like read that and be like, oh, wow, I wonder what... Incredible. but guy As a kid, that sort of stuff would just like... open the door to my imagination, just imagining all these parts that, that, I mean, it's the same way that like in a King's quest game, you can't do that. At least not now, just as a kid, I literally took that. It's like, Hmm, there's a time when I will be able to do this. I just have to simply wait until that moment is upon me. I'm waiting for the, yeah. I'm just waiting for the day.
00:48:18
Speaker
I mean, the quest for glory manuals had a lot of that too. Like i always thought the you famous adventures correspondence school would have flavor text that I would read as a kid and things like oh, that's telling me I'm going to fight a dragon in this one.
00:48:31
Speaker
And you know, i never did until quest for glory five and it was disappointing. Oh, great. that was That was just kind of tedious, wasn't it?
00:48:42
Speaker
It was. Fucking dragon. um Man, dragons. And then you get a wet fart of an ending if you didn't do it right, which is what I did. Anyway. i
00:48:55
Speaker
Don't worry. We have a great Quest for Glory 5 podcast planned for 2027. Stay tuned. Now, yeah, it had like... now ah yeah they a had like It just kind of filled you in on the world. And then like, you know, I think a gesture towards making it a longer, like trying to get a little more meat on the bone of the game is that the spells are kind of randomized.
00:49:27
Speaker
And also there are three levels of difficulty with the spells. Did you play on beginner or did you plan? i played on standard and standard. Yeah. So that meant, uh, I honestly don't know what beginner is. And I heard what the the difficult level is, but for me, i would,
00:49:45
Speaker
hear a four note pattern for all of these spells and see those notes light up on my staff, which made it very easy just to jot down their combination. And then of course, I think something that we didn't mention for most of these spells, you can also play them backwards to have the opposite results. So if you, if open was E-C-E-D, you could simply play that backwards.
00:50:06
Speaker
D-E-C-E. E-C-E. E-C-E. Yeah. Do, do, do, do, do. Yeah, and it would close something instead. So that's brilliant.
00:50:17
Speaker
i mean, that's that's really good stuff. ah But yeah, tell me tell me about the easy mode and the hard mode. well ah Easy mode, it just straight up, like it not only highlights the spot on your distaff, but it will also just write down what the spell is. It will just show you the letters at the bottom.
00:50:35
Speaker
That's the only way I've ever played because I'm lazy. Okay. Expert or the difficult, whatever they call that version. that That's my ear, someone said. Yeah, that's my ear.
00:50:48
Speaker
That's my ear. I could not do that. in a minute Are you musically inclined enough, Ben, to do that? No. I mean, I can read sheet music. I can sight read. I was in a lot of choir and chorus.
00:51:00
Speaker
But I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. I can't that. can't do that. That was what I sang in 10th grade. You can't do that. You can't do anything for or loom. Oh Oh You know,
00:51:20
Speaker
ah man you know The the the the the the worst thing ah about Loom, and by the way, I love that it's short.
00:51:32
Speaker
I love that you can finish it. The first time you're playing it, you finish it in two hours. What a wonderful gift. Yes, thank you, Brian Moriarty. um Thank you, Lucasfilm.
00:51:44
Speaker
But i the I think maybe the the the knock on it is that it ends on a cliffhanger that is never, ever, ever resolved.
00:51:57
Speaker
yeah the Yeah, the sales did not warrant a sequel. Another game came out that year, and ah they were like, again, they were like, oh, this is what this is what we we are doing now.
00:52:12
Speaker
Yeah, people are really responding to this wannabe pirate. this is Yeah, this is another thing that I really like about Loom, and i I believe this came up when we were doing the brackets, Is what I like about Loom is also that it's not a comedy.
00:52:26
Speaker
And I think it, the most it has is I would say maybe a light chuckle. Yes. And it's not...
00:52:37
Speaker
funny characters that aren't telling jokes. They're just sort of they have interesting, you know, voices for their dialogue. I mean, like just the dialogue is written in an interesting tone or something like that.
00:52:49
Speaker
You know, chaos. yeah One of the big villains is kind of, and so matter of fact in uh in his uh his communications it's good for a chuckle or two but chaos isn't telling jokes it's not no it's not lechuk you know it's not a
Loom's Unique Legacy in Gaming
00:53:05
Speaker
goofy silly thing it's not it's not in it but it's also not too serious like self-serious like it right it it doesn't feel like a slog in that way what mean you do do a couple of murders that get a little serious but that's that's just the cost of business for being an adventure game protagonist yeah
00:53:23
Speaker
Um, but the like, but one thing, you know, that makes it kind of an outlier other than the dig is that it is like, you just don't get like the majority of Lucas art films, games are comedies.
00:53:47
Speaker
and that includes like Maniac Mansion is like a comedy. Like Zach McCracken is a comedy. Indiana Jones and Last Crusade. They add running gags to.
00:53:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, no, it absolutely is. i' Gags and jokes to. Yeah. um and then And then Loom is like this, like it feels, and I'm saying this in a in a complimentary way, it feels like a disney event like a Disney children's film.
00:54:18
Speaker
It's very story book-y, you know, in a positive way. It almost feels like a Caldecott award-winning film. children ah children's children's face. I mean, it it reminds me a bit of something like a like fantasy, like the black cauldron, not the game, but rather the movie, you know, uh, I was actually going to say it is actually kind of reminiscent of, of the black cauldron as well. Like, yeah, because like the kid, like he starts out low and then he like, because that's a very kind of standard,
00:54:54
Speaker
that, you know, like the hero's journey for kids. Yeah. No, I mean, and, and that's charming. Like, I think that fits this game. Well, the sort of, and the dreaminess of it all. And it really gets, as you get into more surreal elements later with like space swans and things like that. I mean, that dreamy storybook vibe, I think is part of what really hooked me into loom. It just has,
00:55:23
Speaker
that sort of don't know just ah ah different emotional register that you tend to see certainly as you said other lucas arts games which by and large the adventure games tend to be comedies to varying degrees of just flat out this is a platform for jokes versus like we've thrown some gags in here yeah like full throttle is it like a comedy comedy but it's pretty funny yeah And we've said before, Secret of Monkey Island isn't a joke a minute, but certainly by the time you get to Curse of Monkey Island, it is. Yeah. um And that's why Curse of Monkey Island is better than Secret of Monkey Island. I mean, i don't want relitigate this.
00:56:00
Speaker
Too late. It's been done. man. yeah You have to live with it the the choice that was made. i i don't feel good with it. You know, my story with Loom was, and I think I've said this on here, is that I got Loom...
00:56:16
Speaker
in i I think it was like third or fourth grade. ah like when I was in elementary school um and at a birthday party somebody got me this box collection of like early Lucas games and it was Maniac Mansion, Zach McCracken, Indiana Jones The Last Crusade, Loom, and Secret of Monkey Island.
00:56:45
Speaker
that is a collection that slaps. I had the next one that had like, Oh, here's Sam and Max. Those are a lot of technical. Yeah. And it's all on Yeah. It's like here, here's a small collection of some of the all time greatest games ever made.
00:57:01
Speaker
for 40 bucks enjoy and i'm like yes i will thank you this is this is a treasure trove i got that and i had already had all those games but i didn't i had them on disc so that was yeah that was my talkie upgrade uh when i got lost treasures the what amazing compilations those were the the um that collection uh, I beat.
00:57:30
Speaker
So, and I, I, again, I think I've talked about this, the manual that came with it had, ah like, so it was one big manual that had the manuals for, for all of them. So that included like the copy protection stuff. So it had the grail diary for, uh, uh, last crusade, but it also had like these written as the main character,
00:57:55
Speaker
walkthroughs that were giving nudges. They weren't. And so that was like, they were, they were good because they wrote the game as a narrative.
00:58:08
Speaker
And so you could kind of suss out the actions that they were taking by, by reading that. And so with the, the assistance of that, I was able to complete of that collection,
00:58:24
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I beat, uh, loom, which is also what I think I beat first. And I was fascinated by loom. It was just so bad weird.
00:58:35
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Um, like it, like I just kind of thought about it a lot. Like it just kind of occupied my mind. Like I was just always thinking about like loom, like what a, what an odd game. Like I was just always thinking about it.
00:58:52
Speaker
Would you say it loomed large in your childhood? No, I absolutely wouldn't say that. Okay, i just missed I think I misunderstood what you're trying to say. And like that that first line of like Bobbin like resting under that dying tree like and going like the last leave the last leaf of autumn.
00:59:14
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uh like a great opening yeah like it's a really good opening yeah i mean it is iconic yeah and like you know him resting under that tree and watching the like seeing the leaf and the fairy comes up to him like that that really stuck with me loom was probably the first one i beat Then a Secret of Monkey Island, which was, that was, Loom was the 16, Secret was the 256. Ah. Which interesting.
00:59:45
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Gotcha. um Then I beat Secret of Monkey Island. ah And then ah the the third and final a game of that collection that I beat was Zach McCracken.
00:59:57
Speaker
Because, you know, at that age, you have unlimited time for mazes. And I didn't map them. I just wandered around until I would end up somewhere. when you're like and you know a 10 year old or whatever i was you could just wander around forever like it really like i can throw 60 hours at this game that's not that's not a problem for me matter like i go to school for like six hours a day what else do have yeah like what am i getting out of that like yeah no but mean for me it was you know again i didn't play this game for the first time until last night um i
01:00:33
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knew about loom certainly from secret of monkey island i suspect the first time i heard of loom was the you know cobs appearance cob is a a henchman that appears late in the game in loom and of course he also appears in the uh scumbar in the secret of monkey island and has the great ask me about loom and has his you know long monologue about the latest masterpiece of fantasy storytelling from lucasfilm brian moriarty uh classic moment in uh in that game and and beautifully voiced by the time the voice in the special edition so good oh by bride mariardi
01:01:12
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ah that's pretty good that's pretty good i love that i mean in the like you can quibble about a lot with yes the special edition but they they put their resources in the place where it most mattered in that remake which was absolutely yeah Which I have more thoughts on, but we'll have to... i I'm going to have to sit on them.
01:01:35
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Yes. yeah we'll talk about We'll definitely have to have a secret or among... We'll definitely have to do a series. I mean, one of the the main things... like reasons that we did this was that we we realized, you realized, Jess, like we have not actually done an episode specific to one of the Lucas games. And so... Yeah, we've talked a lot about Sierra games. and And someday we'll talk about like what, I mean, what some of the differences...
01:02:02
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the Between the two. Yeah, we'll talk about Les Manley. We're go have several episodes about Les Manley, including reading, ah do a table read of my Les Manley feature film script that I've been working on. As soon as that's complete, we'll do that together.
01:02:17
Speaker
But... Yeah, for me, I never played this. I think i only knew about it from The Secret of Monkey Island and that whole bit with Cobb there. I may have ah seen an ad or a view. I knew that the knock on this game was that it was super easy. And I wonder how much of that comes from the parody of it in space quest four, which maybe is if I didn't learn about loom from secret of Mikey Island, I probably learned about indirectly from the bargain bin, uh, in space quest four. And I pulled up this description, you know, if if you know much about space quest for a dear listener,
01:02:55
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ah You know that once you are in the Galaxy Galleria Mall, you can stop by a software store and dig through their bargain bin software. There are a number of parodies of different games.
01:03:07
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One of them is titled Boom, and it has it has a ah cover inspired by Lume. And here's the description. written by the one and only Josh Mandel.
01:03:18
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ah This is his description of Boom. ah Quote, the latest bomb from master storyteller Maury Brian Artie. Boom is a post-Holocaust adventure set in post-Holocaust America after the Holocaust.
01:03:31
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neutron bombs have eradicated all life leaving only you to wander through the wreckage no other characters no conflict no puzzles no chance of dying and no interface make this the easiest to finish game yet just boot it up and watch it explode which that's that's kind of savage and kind of wonderful and i'd be curious to know i suspect josh probably appreciated loop i don't know that i uh i i love like that's ah That's a pretty funny thing, but but the the start of it is what really gets me, which is the Mad Magazine ah parody level of saying Morty, Brian Artie. Was that it?
01:04:15
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Maury, Brian Artie. Maury, Brian Artie. That is ah mad, that is Mad Magazine level. And and i say that.
01:04:26
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you know, in a sense where, uh, Josh, which remember that, that hug patrol is still out there. Um, uh, like I, and I, I believe, uh, uh, that you're, you're someone that would take that as a major compliment. Also like post the Holocaust adventure set in post Holocaust America after the Holocaust.
01:04:51
Speaker
Yeah, that like some nuclear Holocaust yeah humor folks. Yeah, that's that's really good stuff. I mean, we everybody knows we stand Josh Mandel here at Quest Quest.
01:05:05
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But I mean, I do think this was sort of the knock on loom. And then, you know, for me, part of it was ah large function of what games I played. were the games that were available at my local Radio Shack, and they simply stocked a whole bunch of Sierra games and not many LucasArts. I didn't play nearly as many LucasArts growing up until eventually a software et cetera opened
Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement
01:05:27
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at a mall like an hour from where I live.
01:05:30
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I was just sort of dependent what my Radio Shack had, and my impression is that Radio Shack had a pretty ironclad contract with Sierra at the time. I think they were working very much in tandem, or should I say tandem,
01:05:45
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Well, that was our podcast about Loom. um ah Thank you for joining us.
01:05:54
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Do you have anything else to say about, do you have anything else to say about Loom? i loved it. It was fantastic. What a lovely little game. And sometimes you just want a lovely little game.
01:06:05
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And again, it left me with things to think about. It's a weird world in the best sense. And I've spent all day thinking about loom. I can only imagine if I was like eight or nine, when I played this the first time, yeah how much the world of loom would consume my thoughts. Hey, Hey, Jess, I actually, I just invited ah the studio audience back in. Oh, you know, could you, could you tell them that joke again, please?
01:06:28
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The radio shack joke. Yeah. that was right Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. um Let's see. can you Can you like lead me into it? Oh, yeah, sure. So, you know, like it's a tandem.
01:06:41
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It's ah it it like it seems like Sierra and Radio Shack were really lockstep, weren't they? Yeah, I mean, you could say that they were really in tandem or maybe you could say tandem.
01:07:05
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Even the crickets weren't ready. That's rough. when like Like when the crickets are like, is anyone else going to do something? And like I guess it's up to us. um That's rough. ah But no, and that's a great joke. And if you want to tell us what a great joke that was, you know, the best way to do it is to write us an email at questquestpodcast at gmail.com.
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01:08:28
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It's a Spotify challenge. Spot, spot, spot, spot, Spotify challenge. Oi, mate, I'd like a spot of the Spotify challenge, I would. um Now, nailed it.
01:08:42
Speaker
Hold on.
01:08:49
Speaker
So anyway, ah join us next week when we do an in-depth look at all of ah the the games from the Space Quest 4 bargain bin and give earnest reviews as if they're real to all of them.
01:09:05
Speaker
See you then.