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I-80 Football Show: Is a Play-In Tournament Coming to College Football?
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In this episode, the guys discuss the rumors coming out of the Big Ten-SEC meetings including a potential play-in tournament to get into the college football playoffs.
Recorded: 02/20/2025
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Transcript
Introduction and Catching Up
00:00:01
Speaker
What's good, everybody? Welcome into another episode of Land Grant Podcast Network's I-80 football show. As always, i'm your host, Jordan. I'm here with my co-host, Dante. How you doing, man? I'm chilling. I'm all right.
00:00:14
Speaker
I literally just got home. I almost never get home this late. And I was like, yeah, we can record at 8. And then I walked in the house. It was 7.52. said, fuck.
00:00:26
Speaker
So this is the first thing I'm doing since I got
Gym Talk: Exercises and Equipment
00:00:28
Speaker
home. Damn. Damn. All right. Well, let's yeah let's get this out the way so you can at least enjoy your house. but You know, honestly, i' as much as you pay out here, you don't ever get to enjoy your house.
00:00:42
Speaker
Don't let me. like I've been working out at home. Don't let me start going back to the gym. I'm never going to see home. Yeah. i am never going I am never going to see this house. But, yeah, I'm chilling. You all right?
00:00:54
Speaker
Yeah, I'm good. I'm sore. just Because i've been I've been going to the gym. Yeah. I'm sore all over the place. Today was leg day, so that's going to be fun in the morning. Oh, yeah. um Yeah, that's going to be – leg day is always fun. that's The thing is, like, leg day – probably hurts the most.
00:01:16
Speaker
But for me, at least, it's the most fun to do in the gym. Nope. I hate it. Do you? What are you doing? I do and do about two.
00:01:28
Speaker
This week, I did squats. You do weighted squats? I go in the bar. Okay. Calf raises.
00:01:40
Speaker
I did leg press. seated leg curls the extensions i love like press i could be on that machine all day i i ain't do too bad today didn't do too bad today it wasn't that bad but yeah like press isn't the the worst one i still i hate seated like curls uh you know this other machine that i like which not every gym has the the uh It's the like the standing leg press where you're you know like you're like there's like a plate and you're like at an angle and you go back up at an angle.
00:02:14
Speaker
So it's almost like a This is not what it's called, but it's almost like an inclined squat. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I know what you're talking about. I picture what you're talking about, yeah.
00:02:26
Speaker
Yeah, but it's still with it's still with your legs, but you like go into the shoulder and you put your foot on the like a platform and then you're rising up, but you're at like... yeah ah I know what you're talking about.
00:02:37
Speaker
I haven't. don't know if that's actually called. It's some sort of leg press. I don't know it's actually called, but not every gym has it. It'd be low key sick. It must be an expensive machine or something. It's gotta because I haven't seen one of those in a while.
00:02:49
Speaker
Yeah. I even have seen one them to do. Yeah, I don't know. I do the hip abductor and abduction and like them shits are. I hate that machine. I need to do that.
00:03:01
Speaker
I mean, I really like that's the one I really need to do. Yeah. But. I don't like it. I legit
Football Off-Season Discussions
00:03:08
Speaker
don't. I don't like leg day. My favorite day is back day. I'm not going to lie. Back day and I do back and biceps on the same day.
00:03:16
Speaker
I like those days. I think that might be my least favorite.
00:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, don't know. But yeah, we have, we we don't have a lot to talk about, but is two like main topics that all go together ah because if we are we've reached the slow season um transfer portal's done the season is done ah spring um spring ball hasn't started yet at least for most programs so you're not getting any reports of position battles who's good who's not uh all the coaching hiring is basically done
00:03:56
Speaker
so ah there's really There's really nothing the major. So shout out to the Big Ten and the SEC for deciding to have their meeting this week because that's that's what we're talking about.
College Football Playoff Changes
00:04:07
Speaker
um We're talking about the SEC meetings and the thing that came out of that.
00:04:11
Speaker
And then as sort of a part of that, but also not entirely a part of that because it is a larger conversation, ah the seeding for the playoffs and what they're pushing and what we would like to see.
00:04:23
Speaker
And that's the show. So somehow it's still going to be three hours when we have two topics, but you know, um so yeah. We're going to shock y'all today. watch Yeah. As like a sort of catch up for people who don't know, for people who don't like live and breathe college football last year, the big tenant. i So like we've been pushing this power to concept, all the conference realignment, all these kinds of things.
00:04:46
Speaker
And one of the things that the big 10, just a little backstory, one of the things that the big 10 wanted in their new commissioner is they wanted someone who could work with the sec they didn't have to be best friends they didn't have to be buddy buddy but they had to be able to work together because the last commissioner nobody liked him nobody in the sec nobody in the big ten basically everybody hated him and so they were like it was a part of the requirements is like we understand that this is where college football is going so you need to
00:05:17
Speaker
be able to work with the SEC. The SEC, Tony Petitti and Greg Sankey of the SEC, again, not best friends, but there's some sort of mutual respect or whatever. And so they decided to do ah big time SEC meetings where essentially they are coming together to talk about the future of the sport because essentially their thing is like, there is no leadership in the sport We should be the leadership.
00:05:41
Speaker
And also the silent part is then we can rig the sport in our best interest.
Debating Playoff Seeding and Financial Implications
00:05:46
Speaker
that's That's sort of how they like, we won't rehash this maybe at some point when some of this stuff is more final, but like that's how they got the new the new financial agreement that they wanted where they're both making essentially 30%.
00:05:59
Speaker
so 60% together and then everybody else is making like, you know what I mean Like this is sort of the things, but the, the big thing that they're talking about now, the boring thing is crazy. Yeah. No, it's 60. No, those two get 60. Yeah. Yeah. And then, oh yeah. And then everybody else is playing 40. Yeah. That's crazy.
00:06:18
Speaker
Uh, and then, um, But the big thing that they're talking about now is the the settlement case, which I'm not going to talk about until it's official because there's too much information and too much things. But essentially the thing that's going to allow ah schools to officially pay players, ah they're talking about playoff seating for 2025 2026 and beyond.
00:06:40
Speaker
And then they're also talking about some like SEC, Big Ten scheduling agreements sort of things. The problem is they're tying this all sort of to the playoff.
00:06:53
Speaker
So we'll you know we'll we'll sort of get into that a little bit. But the first thing and the the more sort of immediate thing, and every there was sort of like whispers about this, but we weren't sure if they were actually going to push for it or not.
00:07:06
Speaker
the The first thing that really came out of that meeting is that they are actively pushing for them to change the seating in the 2025 college football playoff. Again, as another reminder, that this current contract ends in 25, and then 26 is a new contract. So all of the big changes will happen in 26th.
00:07:25
Speaker
But in 25, you need to agree every one to agree like all 10, so that's all the conferences, Notre dame everyone to agree to make changes. So the Big Ten and SEC want to make changes because, of course, the ceiling was weird. That's how Arizona State and Boise State got buys.
00:07:42
Speaker
That's how Oregon had to play Ohio State in the second round and things like that. But again, the ACC, the SEC, the Big 12, the Pac-12, which doesn't really exist, the ah Notre Dame, all the G4, G5, G6 conferences, they all have to agree.
00:08:00
Speaker
And basically, they're saying, why would we do that? Like, if you're the Big 12 and and in Arizona State got a bye, if you're the Mountain West and ah Boise State got a bye, they're like, why would we do this?
00:08:17
Speaker
The one thing that I didn't think about and I want your opinion on is there is essentially – $8 million. dollars So how like ah since so they kind of did the basketball thing where each school that goes around gets money and it goes to the conference.
00:08:38
Speaker
so like if you So if you have you know five schools in the first round, that's five times whatever that number is. And then if two make it to the second round, that's but a two times whatever that number is. If one goes to the championship round, there's like money for that.
00:08:50
Speaker
And so basically, if you go to the second round, however the money works out, it's $8 million. dollars And so these schools are basically, these conferences, and so that so the a c
00:09:04
Speaker
No, they didn't get a buy. So the Big 12 in the Mountain West got $8 million dollars just because they got a buy. If you get a buy, you're guaranteed $8 million dollars because you're going to the second round. Oh, okay. So they're like, why would i i didn't I didn't even think about the financial decision. I saw that today in the article.
00:09:21
Speaker
Not only do they want the buy, they're also like, we would be giving up a guaranteed $8 million dollars for at least one year. So...
Potential Overhaul of Playoff System
00:09:28
Speaker
what are your thoughts i mean just in general like do you want the seating changed but then also what is the likelihood that you think is going to happen uh do i want the seating change not really i think i kind of like it how it went um it um i i understand why people were so upset like because we got the second round with org uh oregon and ohio state and things like that but like
00:09:55
Speaker
yeah we still I think we still had great games throughout the entire playoffs. I wasn't mad about Boise State getting a bye and things like that. I know a lot of people were upset with that, and I think that's part of why they're doing this.
00:10:09
Speaker
So something like that doesn't kind of happen. You've got to get real lucky for that to happen.
00:10:18
Speaker
um The likelihood of it happening? Probably high. Probably decently high. i With the amount of power these two conferences have, i could see it happening. Maybe not in 2026, but it happening at some point.
00:10:41
Speaker
Well, yeah, that's the thing. It's definitely going to happen in 2026. The question is, like can they force them to do it in 2025 when they need you all needs to be unanimous?
00:10:51
Speaker
Oh, probably not enough. Yeah, that is going to be real interesting test. They would have to legit want to be like, all right, we don't want $8 million. Right. That's what, that's what I'm saying. And it's just like, yeah, that would be a real interesting, interesting test case of how powerful the big 10 and the sec really are.
00:11:11
Speaker
Yeah. Because I don't see any benefit for anyone else. but Yeah. ah Especially again, like I had never even thought about the financial component until I read it today.
00:11:25
Speaker
Yeah. That's a guaranteed 8 mil. So for Boise and for Arizona State, their conferences got 8 mil even though they got bounced in the first round. Yep.
00:11:36
Speaker
So it's like, yeah. i't i don't think it's going to happen. I think I agree. Yeah, i don't think it's going happen. The Ohio – honestly, so the other thing is like everyone's talking about Ohio State, Oregon, and they talked about Penn State and Notre Dame.
00:11:52
Speaker
text Texas. Yeah. They talked about like Penn state for sure. Getting like a super easy path and Oregon getting like a hard path and like all of these things. And who played Boise?
00:12:05
Speaker
Uh, Penn, I believe. Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Was it Notre Dame? I think so. No, it was Penn state. It was Penn state. And then Texas played Arizona state.
00:12:16
Speaker
Um, whatever. But they're talking about like all these people getting easy pass and these teams getting a buy and then all of them losing after they got the buy and all of this sort of stuff. And my thing is just like, um,
00:12:31
Speaker
You could have fixed some of this if you reseeded the other seeds. You know what mean? Like they basically came in and they were like, anyone who's not up for the buy discussion is staying the same.
00:12:45
Speaker
So they said, Ohio State, we have you at nine. You're going to stay at nine. No matter what, you're staying at nine or what whatever number they were at. They were eight. They were eight because they got the home game.
00:12:56
Speaker
You're going to stay eight. And honestly, they could have fixed that real simple by making Ohio State seven. like And that's the thing that I didn't think. like You do the buys to the conference championship. i have no problem with that. If you moved one or two teams around but still in the same grouping, like obviously moving Ohio State to five, that couldn't happen. That was unnecessary.
00:13:15
Speaker
But if you make Ohio State seven instead of eight, who's really mad at that? And then you don't force Oregon to play Ohio State in the second round. Everyone could see that coming. Everyone could see Ohio State beating Tennessee, except for the people that were like, Ohio State's going to lose because they lost to Michigan, which was a valid opinion. Anyone with eyes could see if Ohio State wins, they have to play Oregon. That's unfair to Oregon.
00:13:37
Speaker
They literally could have fixed it by making Ohio State seven. yeah and and And who would that have affected to change the seven and eight seed? You know i mean? like I just think like... The seating, yes, cool, whatever, but also play better?
00:13:53
Speaker
You know what I mean? the ACC, you didn't get... I guess technically the ACC could benefit if the seating was changed, but maybe. But it's like, ACC, you didn't get that vibe because you let Clemson win your conference with two losses, and Clemson looked bad all year. Like, you know I mean? If Clemson looks better, or if Miami doesn't lose to Syracuse, or if SMU beats Clemson, which if they gave... If it was five quarters instead of four, SMU may have beat Clemson, but SMU didn't show up for the first quarter.
00:14:22
Speaker
Like... this like It was sort of a weird year because the other teams just had too many losses. And then they also like stuck to, we're not going to reseed. Once we got the final bracket, we're not going to reseed anyone that's basically not in conference championship weekend.
00:14:41
Speaker
And ah literally a simple fix. Maybe you switch six and seven. i don't remember who six and seven were. Maybe you switch five and six. Maybe you switch seven and eight, something like that that's not super drastic.
00:14:52
Speaker
And it still keeps the integrity of it ah because you could make an argument that Ohio State could be eight versus seven and all these sort of things. um and And you fix some of the issues that people have. Like, I think the Big Ten's not as mad if Ohio State doesn't have to play Oregon.
00:15:06
Speaker
so if you put them at seven, they're probably fine. So we'll see, I guess. um So one of the actually, well, let's take our break here and then we'll come back and talk about the rest of things that are coming out of the the Big Ten SEC meeting. So we'll be right back on the other side of the ads.
00:15:29
Speaker
What's good everybody? Welcome back to the IAE Football Show. Dante, one of the other things that's coming out of the potential of the Big Ten SEC meetings is the potential for the SEC to play nine conference games.
00:15:45
Speaker
They are currently playing eight conference games, which means they get to play four out of conference games. And because of how they schedule, a lot of times they're getting that SEC bye weekend where we...
00:15:58
Speaker
where like week 10 and 11 before
SEC's Role and Negotiations
00:16:01
Speaker
the rivalry games, they're playing like ah insert directional school, insert FBS school sort of thing. but yeah um So basically...
00:16:13
Speaker
I think it's insane. And also just like, aside from the fact that they're doing that, because the Big Ten was originally going to be at 16, 9 is the only thing that makes sense. Like the way the Big Ten was originally going to do it was actually like really, really smart, where essentially it's like you do a 3-6-6 model.
00:16:33
Speaker
model which puts you at 15, get 15 teams. And so you, you keep three games every year. So, right. That's what you keep rivalries. You do whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Six.
00:16:45
Speaker
And then you split the other two teams and you can do it however you want to. You can do it in sets of two where you do home and home. So you play one team for two years back to back And then next year you play another set of teams.
00:16:59
Speaker
But essentially that how that happens is it would allow every single team in the conference to play every other team in the conference two times in four years. Which currently. And then we talked about how you can work in a West Coast trip for every team.
00:17:16
Speaker
and was connected oh They could keep their home games. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, But, like, so doing nine conference games in a 16-team league makes the most sense.
00:17:27
Speaker
Doing eight doesn't work at all. But the SEC essentially doesn't didn't want to go to nine unless the ESPN was willing to give them more money. ESPN didn't want to give them more money, so they said we were going to stay at eight.
00:17:41
Speaker
Now, after seeing the first year of the new SEC, where, as anyone could have expected, the ratings were amazing, partially maybe because some of the upsets, but the ratings were amazing, the the ESPN may pay up.
00:17:57
Speaker
And there's some other things that that go into that as well. But, um I mean, non-conference games, SEC, is that something you care about? ah I do.
00:18:10
Speaker
um We should, especially since all those SEC fans were crying about the fact that, like, Other teams should have been in in the playoffs, teams like Alabama and stuff like that, where you lost too many games. like This is kind of like a put-up or shut-up, especially for a conference that but has such power. You should be you should be at least playing nine conference games, especially when you've got the big team who's won the last two national television team championship games playing nine conference games.
00:18:45
Speaker
yeah They're not afraid to play each other. Why y'all so afraid to play each other? umm I'm happy about it. I know there's going to be a lot of people complaining about it, but it's we should have been doing it. We should be doing it.
00:18:58
Speaker
Also, it just helps with like, the sport has never been like super consistent and it's hard to make it consistent. But I think any, in my opinion, any serious league should be playing nine. The Big 12 should be playing nine.
00:19:10
Speaker
The SEC, the Big 10 is the ACC. They also be playing nine conference games. And then in my ideal world, then you play at least one other game against a power opponent. So one of the things that people are hoping for and that is sort of potentially may come out of this is that the Big Ten and SEC will play each other one game.
00:19:30
Speaker
So then you have non-conference games for both. There's one game guaranteed Big Ten and SEC. And then the other two games, you can do whatever you want with. But at least you're getting 10 power conference, potentially good games. We understand that every conference game is not going to be good because sometimes you're going to get an Ohio State Purdue or something like that.
00:19:49
Speaker
But you're at least not getting four games against insert directional school. FC it like, you know, like the the teams and the and and the video game is just called FCS West. Like, you know, you're not getting FCS West in in in Eastern Washington State, Wisconsin. You're getting good games. you' getting like really good games, in their entertaining games.
00:20:13
Speaker
For sure. And again, it it adds to the parity of the sport. I agree. so Because in that case, then more people, you get more exposure for more teams on television because those are going to be on television. you know Of course. yeah like the So like more schools get that exposure, more kids, players and decide to go to different schools and tell the same schools again, which was something fans complained about.
00:20:37
Speaker
Yeah. the lot the the For me, the most annoying thing about this is this is just makes the most sense. It's like the easiest thing possible. But the SEC is literally holding the sport hostage.
00:20:48
Speaker
They're basically, and this is one thing we'll talk about in a later segment, in our road trip segment. Basically, they won't do it for unless two things. One, yeah ESPN has to agree to give them more money. And two, they want automatic qualifiers. Right.
00:21:02
Speaker
they're basically like, we don't want to take any risk. We'll go up to nine games, even though everyone knows that we should do it. It makes the most sense, but only if you guarantee us spots in the playoff and yeah ESPN gives us more money.
00:21:13
Speaker
If that's what you got to do, fine. I think that's better for the sport if they're at nine, but I think it's just childish that they wouldn't just do it, that they're like holding a sport hostage. It childish. So the last big thing, the last big thing that may be coming out of this, and this...
00:21:31
Speaker
I don't know how feel about
The Case for Play-In Games
00:21:32
Speaker
it. I think it's low-key crazy. um But i the Big Ten, I think, maybe floated this. And when I heard it, i don't know if you've even heard this. I know there's pregnant people listening who maybe haven't.
00:21:44
Speaker
I thought they were lying. I'm like, there's no way in hell that they're doing this. The Big Ten and the SEC are considering having play-in games. for So if this is why i said this all ties in together.
00:21:57
Speaker
We haven't talked about the playoff yet. That's going to be the next segment. But If they get the automatic qualifiers. So this would be a good lead into the next segment. If they get the automatic qualifiers, which they're asking for four, which I think is insane. think that's too many. That's lot. So much.
00:22:13
Speaker
Four apiece. But if they get the four, they're considering doing play-in games on championship weekend. So one versus two would be the championship game as it always is.
00:22:26
Speaker
But then teams three through six would play each other Oh, so three would play six, four would play five for those two. And and essentially, as is would always be the case anyway, the two teams in the conference championship games are going to, they're getting it right. They're going to get it. Those are the automatic qualifiers. There's no, cisa there's no, there's no situation in the world where the top two teams in the big 10 and SEC aren't getting into the playoffs, but three through six. So you're creating two more games would play each other.
00:22:59
Speaker
Same weekend or same around time for those other spots. I want your opinion on that, of course. But the one thing that I will say is this year, i don't know how feel about it, but this year that could have been real interesting because remember the SEC had like a five-way tie.
00:23:17
Speaker
Yeah. Like there was every every team was like was like six and two or five and three in the conference. But I think that's – I haven't thought –
00:23:30
Speaker
kind of like it. Do you? A little bit. We get more football, which is, you know... team that's it go ahead. Like, I know a lot of... like I know they don't like they don't want to play that much football. Playing that much football is a lot. I get it, but I kind of like the idea.
00:23:50
Speaker
Because then it's like, for real, put up or shut up from but everybody. Because then again, you get that Indiana, my indiana you never know what. but guess ah Indiana gets ah ah probably another chance at ah who would it be?
00:24:07
Speaker
going to tell you right now. I'm pulling it up as you were talking. Yeah, because then it gives a chance for Indiana to prove there themselves, like especially within the Big Ten. I'm trying not think.
00:24:21
Speaker
Yeah, so um there is one that is one thing that one of the podcasts I was listening to said is like you essentially basically, oh my God, not point I was like, hey, you know, nobody nobody can say nothing bad about me because i I Googled Big Ten standings and women's basketball came up and I said, that makes sense. yeah like i was looking for football but um yeah i get it i get it i do you follow women's basketball i understand where that came from i'm not even mad at you i can't i can't be mad at you like you thought i was looking for women's basketball standings i get it uh you know i'm true as i gotten these all with yeah it' they say aren't you watching women's basketball right now uh it's almost march that right damn
00:25:05
Speaker
am Yeah, right? ah but yeah My 30th birthday is almost a month from today. couple of days, but almost a month from today. Same.
00:25:16
Speaker
So in the Big Ten, if we did this, right? Obviously, we got Oregon, Penn State, and the big championship game, yeah. So three was Indiana, four was Ohio State, five was Illinois, six was Iowa.
00:25:30
Speaker
So who would have gotten Indiana versus Iowa and Ohio State versus Illinois for two spots in the playoffs if that happened this year. That's not that exciting for this year. Yes.
00:25:44
Speaker
But in the SEC, it would have been more more yeah money would have been made. So in the SEC, the SEC championship game was Texas-Georgia. So we would have gotten Tennessee versus Ole Miss or Missouri or South Carolina or Texas A&M.
00:26:02
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. I don't know how they would have figured this out. There would have been a tiebreaker for a tiebreaker. Yeah. Like, that's insane. There were so many five and three teams.
00:26:13
Speaker
So we would have gotten Tennessee versus – Okay. I don't even know how to say this. Tennessee would have been the three seed no matter what. Okay. But Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri, South Carolina, Texas A&M, that's six teams, right? One, two, three, four. see That's six teams. We're all five and three.
00:26:35
Speaker
So three of those six teams would have played in this little play in turn. I don't know which ones because don't know their tiebreakers, but some combination of Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri, South Carolina, and Texas A&M would have played in this little thing. he have no the i don't know. I thought the Big Ten was actually sort of interesting. Ohio State, Illinois, I think would have been fun.
00:27:00
Speaker
Indiana, Iowa maybe would have been gross. valid Especially how Indiana was putting up numbers on people for real at that moment. I think a team like Iowa would have got spanked for real.
00:27:11
Speaker
Yeah, but either way, right? i still It's still interesting thing. So are you Are pro playing tenement? so are you are you pro ah you pro ah play in tenment
00:27:22
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not going to lie you. I kind of like it. I literally just thought about this right now. The other thing that this would do, right, is everyone was complaining because they felt like the playing in the championship game was a disadvantage because it was an additional game.
00:27:41
Speaker
Now everyone gets that game. Just about. So, like, if Ohio... Well, yeah, the the teams that are in the... in and From these two conferences, anyone who played who got to the playoffs would have played that 13th game, the way this works.
00:27:56
Speaker
Because that's the only way to get in. So, there would be less complaints about... i don't know why they were complaining it was an extra game. when Because, like, again, they had the other teams... Yeah, because... They played the first It was an extra game for the loser.
00:28:11
Speaker
It was an extra game for the loser.
00:28:15
Speaker
Because they didn't get a bye. Oh, I guess so. So like, or so like Penn State played and like, you like, yeah. So it was an extra game for the loser.
00:28:25
Speaker
now Fair enough, fair enough. So when in that first round, Penn State had played 13 games. ah Texas had played 13 games, where Ohio State and had only played 12. So it's an extra game, yeah.
00:28:39
Speaker
So in this case, have you essentially, it's a 13-game season for anyone that's getting into the playoffs. So there's no complaint of like Oregon had to play an extra game and Ohio State didn't. ah Texas had to play an extra game and Arizona State didn't or whatever. And then and then obviously this is one of those things where at the Big Ten and SEC do it. I think the acc they ACC also floated this idea, so they're already thinking about it. So then obviously the Big 12 would just do it.
00:29:07
Speaker
um I like it. I like the idea. yeah I really do. it makes it It makes this season... even that much more interesting. Right? Right. Okay. A lot more interesting. Let's keep this momentum.
00:29:22
Speaker
If you like this idea, yeah right man and are you willing, it doesn't really matter because we're not making the decision. If you like this idea, are you willing to acquiesce to the Big Ten and SEC getting four automatic qualifiers if they give you this? Because that's the question.
00:29:41
Speaker
They're not going to do it if they don't get the four. So...
00:29:46
Speaker
that's ah Now you got to think about it. this no no this would This would start in 26. This would be 26 moving on. They can't make these changes in 25, I don't think. You know why?
Automatic Qualifiers and Playoff Size Debate
00:29:57
Speaker
though Here's the one thing, right? The one thing I'll think about it is this one, Stan. The SEC...
00:30:05
Speaker
The SEC, you saw Indiana kind of get beat up on You saw the SEC was vulnerable. The reason why I would take is because of that.
00:30:16
Speaker
It's not like they're world beaters for real. Like, the the Big Ten and it in the SEC aren't that much of world beaters. Because you Alabama and them getting in there, I think they lose those games. Yeah.
00:30:30
Speaker
Okay. I don't disagree with you. Alabama's losing for sure. Yeah. like unless Unless Ryan Williams went for two tan and three tutties, they're losing for sure. That team was getting smacked. I mean, they lost to Michigan.
00:30:41
Speaker
So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Ohio State also lost to Michigan. way But, hey. That was a different Ohio State. Yeah. So, yeah, no, i i that's why i would take it because it's like it's not – if this was like 2012 or 2016, hell no.
00:31:02
Speaker
Okay. But this is 2026. I – Boise Day and all them, Notre Dame played in the championship game.
00:31:13
Speaker
Yeah. so i think kind of take it I'm not really scared that they get fooled. Because it's a chance like, okay, and? Yeah.
00:31:24
Speaker
So, this is a perfect segue into the the the playoffs. I think I agree. i would be fine with this.
00:31:35
Speaker
But literally, only if... Like, I would be fine with four, but literally only if they also then give us the play-in. Which is funny because I think we're got a type i think we're both anti-play-in in the NBA. So we're sitting here like, college football, give me the play-in. And then the NFL, we're like, come on. Like, go home. Because a lot of times, because like the reason why the NBA is like those teams' records aren't always so close. I feel like you could – fix that a little bit. like yeah if the If the spread and loss and wins is that that ah that big of a gap between those those four teams, cut the plan.
00:32:16
Speaker
yeah And if on the other side there is, oh we'll plan. i yeah That's how I look at it. I actually don't... I actually agree with that. Like, there should there needs to be a buffer. that needs but they can't do that because they would lose TV money.
00:32:30
Speaker
But there should be, like, you need to be within X number of games to trigger a play-in game. Yeah, like, it needs to be triggered. It shouldn't just happen. But, um okay, so... So, the let's let's reset the table.
00:32:44
Speaker
I...
00:32:46
Speaker
Basically, all the things that they're considering, they want to move the playoffs from 12 teams to or yeah. if it gets to or the Big Ten.
00:32:58
Speaker
they then want to do a fort this is so long ah four four two two one one model four four automatic qualifie us for the big ten four automatic qualifiers for the uh sec two automatic qualifiers for the acc and the big 12 so essentially if you make it to the big 12 championship game you both get in unless there's something weird in the schedule one for the group of five and then one um what's it called one why am i losing this
00:33:34
Speaker
I'm going to say freelance. That is not what it's called. Yeah, that is not what it's called, but one freelance team or whatever. And so essentially what that means is um if Notre Dame's good, Notre Dame's getting that spot.
00:33:45
Speaker
If they're not good, that opens the possibility for a second G5, a fifth Big Ten or SEC school, or a third ACC or Big 12 school. um I do not know why my mind can't think of what that's actually called.
00:33:59
Speaker
That would be the 12-mile. If they do 16, it would be 4-4, 2-2, 1-3. Huh? huh Because there's two extra teams. So instead of that last one, it would three.
00:34:11
Speaker
So it would be again, it's still four for the Big Ten, four for the SEC, two for the ACC, two for the Big 12, one for the G5, and then there'd be three spots open for grabs instead of one.
00:34:24
Speaker
They would have to do 16. It would have to be 16. So here's the thing. i i I think 12 is better. Sorry, 14 is better.
00:34:36
Speaker
But if you're doing automatic if you're doing this many automatic qualifiers, you have to go to 16. But the reason why I like 14 is... So if they drop this number, if they went to 3-3, 2-2, 1-3, whatever the math is, if they did three automatic qualifiers instead of four, which I really wish they would do, I think 14 is better. But do you want to know why think 14 is better?
00:35:01
Speaker
Why? Because if you do 14, you still get the buy. but you still add two games. So if you do 16, nobody gets a bye. You have to do a tournament just like basketball. It's one place, 16, two place, 15, so on and so forth.
00:35:14
Speaker
yeah If you do 14, one and two get a bye, and then you do three, 14, 13, and so on and so forth. But you still get that added incentive of a bye for winning your conference championship game. I think 14 is the only way to make the conference championship games still matter because there's still an extra incentive.
00:35:36
Speaker
So you get the play in, right? Because there's automatic qualifiers. You get the play in. you get the you still get the incentive. ah you're just For me, it's adding additional incentives. where like If you do 16, the incentive is still the 1-2 seed. where where but Especially because if you think like the the the incentive is the 1-2 seed or whatever, but there's no buy, so you still have to play that game. Granted, it's against the 16th seed. You should probably beat them, but you never I always liked 14. I always thought 14 was a good number because you get two buys instead of four.
00:36:09
Speaker
No, you're right about the bye week. I forgot all about that. It's the fact that there that both those conferences want four automatic That's sick. It's sick. That's where you have to do 16 so you at least get a chance to get more schools in ah to to combat those two conferences. Right.
00:36:28
Speaker
Yeah. So it's it's um I think it's like you, unfortunately, might have to go to 16. I like 14 now that you explained yourself. Because I forgot about making the conference championship game mean something. like It should mean something.
00:36:40
Speaker
So, yeah, you're right. So, to bring back this to the championship weekend, um like to kind of tie this up in a bow or whatever, you would this, end this, the changes, if everything happened, we would get 14 or 16 team
Improving Fairness in Playoff System
00:37:00
Speaker
playoff.
00:37:00
Speaker
Right. The SEC would then go to nine conference games and they would agree to some sort of scheduling agreement with the Big Ten where you get at least one SEC Big Ten matchup.
00:37:11
Speaker
So that would be 10 games for that. Then they would add the play in. So you would still get the one, two for the conference championship game, but you would get three versus six, four versus five for those final two spots.
00:37:25
Speaker
yeah them The four automatic qualifiers. And then
00:37:33
Speaker
you have this ah so yeah have this automatic qualifier thing. The one argument that I did not expect to hear that like sort of kind of made sense to me, if you do the automatic qualifiers, right, and also you have the play-in, you're taking the power out of the committee and the playoff is no longer subjective.
00:37:57
Speaker
Yes. You have to play your way in. I did not expect that. I did not expect that. Yes, I didn't think about that at all. That's actually... If you're like, yes, you get four. All right, we're going to give you four, but it's no longer based on if we like you or not. You had to earn those four seeds.
00:38:13
Speaker
Yeah. Does that change your mind at all? It does. I'm good with either one. Again, again but like I said, I want the play-in. Yeah. The play-in would be sweet. I'm not going to lie to you. The play-in would be sweet.
00:38:26
Speaker
Yeah, and the play-in, like you're saying, like to keg it out of the committee's hands. Again, we've been mad. ah We've been upset with this committee. It's time to get rid of it.
00:38:37
Speaker
Yeah, so basically all the committee would do is seating. Fine with me? And? Yeah. I'm cool with that. yeah You get your four qualifiers, but you have to play non-conference games at SEC.
00:38:51
Speaker
and you have And you have to do one game with the Big Ten. Yep. And then you have to do the ah playing games. Yeah. If we got that whole package. So honestly, up until today, i was like, I don't really like it.
00:39:03
Speaker
And then more news came and then more news came. And then they dropped the play games. And then I listened to the podcast where they mentioned talking about like you're taking it out of the hands of the committee. And i was like, are they convincing me?
00:39:15
Speaker
am i like Am I being convinced that automatic qualifiers make sense? Yeah, they're convincing. I'll take it. So one one other thing, and this is funny because this is how the Big Ten and SEC is going to get their – this is how they're going get their automatic qualifiers.
00:39:31
Speaker
They did a model that projected if they did the seeding straight up, just no qualifiers at all, just straight up. Mm-hmm. How many teams they would get in per year. So if they did a 14 team conference and they only did the year that the playoff existed. So starting in 2014, the last 11 years, if they did a 14 team conference, 14 team playoff, the Big Ten would average 4.6 teams a year.
00:39:56
Speaker
The SEC would average 4.7 teams a year. The Big 12 would average 2.1. The ACC would average 1.8. Group of Five would average 0.27. And Notre Dame would have gotten in 0.45 times.
00:40:12
Speaker
So basically, they're saying, we would have gotten in four times no matter what. Big 12, you would got your two. So you're not really getting anything. You would have got your two. But like they like ACC, you wouldn't have got your two.
00:40:24
Speaker
G5, you wouldn't have got in essentially at all. Notre Dame, you essentially wouldn't have got in at all. So like we're helping. We're giving you more this way. Yeah, of course. If they did the 16, right? If they did the 16, the Big 10 would have gotten an average of 5.3. The would have gotten an average of 5.
00:40:44
Speaker
Big 12 would have gotten 2. ACC would have gotten 2. G5 would have got 0.3. Notre Dame would have got 0.6. So they do 16, they're essentially saying, we're only taking 4. Right?
00:40:57
Speaker
We would be getting five. We're taking one away from us and giving that to the G5 and giving that to Notre Dame potentially so you can get it. We're granting you a spot into the playoffs instead of taking five for ourselves.
00:41:13
Speaker
That's fucked up logic. That's nasty work. But the fact that they put this in the article, yeah literally they're literally like, this is going to be their argument. Their argument is like, look at these numbers.
00:41:25
Speaker
But this's also iss also love you it's also different it's also different because, like, it's there's free it's just like it it' it's different time period now.
00:41:36
Speaker
The parody is different, but I get what they say. Yeah. It's also BS
Strategizing Around Proposed Changes
00:41:42
Speaker
numbers because some of the teams that they're including in this were in the Pac-12 and like other conferences.
00:41:48
Speaker
So i agree they're count I'm pretty sure for like the Big Ten, they're counting how many times Oregon would have gotten in. And for the SEC, they're counting how many times like Texas would have gotten in. And like y'all weren't in those conferences. Yeah. Put the Pac-12 in this data. Put the Pac-12 in this data. Let's see what the data is. Let's see what the real number is.
00:42:08
Speaker
It's funny, dude. It's definitely slighted. It's funny. They cheating. They cheating. But um it's just i don't I did not expect I still think Four is too many, personally, especially because you're going to get that spot.
00:42:26
Speaker
Like, let's be honest, you're going to get it. But when you do the math of 4-4-2-2-1 and you only have one spot for a wildcard team or whatever, I still cannot think of this name.
00:42:37
Speaker
ah but of what they actually call it. like At large, that's what it's called. You only have one at-large spot. and just The math feels off, even though technically, if you did it, you it would be four teams anyway. like but We're not stupid. The Big Ten got four in this year, and it was 12 teams. like You're going to get that spot.
00:42:53
Speaker
yeah um Which I guess is their reasoning for it. It's like, we're going to get the four anyway. Just put it in writing. just give it But my logic is like, just take three so you seem nicer and then just take you know what i'm saying like we get you're gonna get the four but it's it's just like it's just like um it's i don't know it's just like you know when you like you know you're paying taxes but then when they show you how much you paid it's just like just take the money you know saying like just like i know i'm paying just take the money just don't but don't tell me how much you're taking where it's like we know you're gonna get four spots but do we really gotta put it in writing like you really gotta like you really gotta little bro us in front of our friends
00:43:32
Speaker
Yeah, that is rude. It is mean. that's It just feels rude to say. i say we like really oh you know You had to put it in writing, but yeah. they did You know they did Yeah. so so like Just in case y'all tried to fuck us over.
00:43:48
Speaker
So, I did not expect to be on board with this. Yeah, I kind of i like it. I do like it. I'm not going to lie. And you're on board with it. Yeah, I am. That's crazy.
00:44:00
Speaker
I am. Like, if you go, because, you know, we're recording ourselves. If you go back like six months ago, I know we were talking trash about this. i know I know I got tweets.
00:44:10
Speaker
I have yeah had you i have no audio. i know it wasn always may have We may have video of me talking it. But I think, but but so like we can wrap up this conversation with this. Mm-hmm.
00:44:23
Speaker
Do you think some of these ideas are coming because of the negative pushback? like like Like last year, right, when they said they first wanted four, do you think they just straight up wanted four and that's just what they were going to do?
00:44:39
Speaker
And then there was pushback. So they were like, all right, how do we sweeten the pot? How about we, we'll go to nine. We'll do this scheduling agreement. we'll We'll add this plan. Or do you think this stuff was like in the works and it just hadn't leaked?
00:44:53
Speaker
They might be a little of both. Yeah. i Personally, I feel like if they would have given them four with no additional work, they would have just taken it. I think they saw all the negative feedback and they were like, all right, let's let's be creative. How can we?
00:45:06
Speaker
Because, again, when you list it out like we just did, it sounds so much better. Honestly, because ah for me, if you take out the play-in, still don't like it. Yeah, I don't. I don't like you like and i it. gives The play-in gives you more. It makes the season count so much more.
Calendar and Scheduling Adjustments
00:45:22
Speaker
Yeah. i You're fighting to the last minute. Every spot. Now you're not not even not just handed four spots. like You're earning those spots. You're getting that spot by playing a 13-game season.
00:45:33
Speaker
So, and so I think that, so and I think that's also why they're leaking it, because when you just hear four and you just hear these numbers, it's just like, come on, that's bullshit. Yeah, y'all but yes i will get If we get to play in, I think we're both on board.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'm on board for the play in for all this. Because, again, like I told you, I said the SEC would cry babies this year. especially yes they did So now you get to earn it. I'm not going with that.
00:46:02
Speaker
Yeah. um And the thing that I always fall back on is I'm not to say no to more games. ah Even if they go to 16. I may say think that's stupid. I may say it's stupid.
00:46:14
Speaker
But I'm not going to say no to more games. Yeah. I do get 14. 14. It's just 16 games is so much for college. The one thing that I will say, though, and this is a conversation for other things.
00:46:27
Speaker
There's one last thing that they need to do. And I haven't heard anyone talk about it, but maybe it's because they're not on like this, you know, like they're not, um they haven't, um like met as the whole collective, they have to change the calendar to do some of this stuff. yeah Oh, yes.
00:46:47
Speaker
Yes. I know we've talked about it, so we won't get stuck on it, but the season needs to be moved up a week and they need to make these games seven days apart. College football should not be ending January 20th.
00:46:59
Speaker
That's too late. That's so long. It's so ridiculous. Going on a championship tour and talking about all this stuff. And, like, Ryan Day is just talking about it. It's just like, yeah, like, we – our first game was December 20th.
00:47:11
Speaker
Our last game was January 20th. It was a whole month. Players are tired. Like, they had to move back spring ball and, like, change all this stuff. This season is just too long. So, like, I'm cool with adding this stuff and doing all these things.
00:47:24
Speaker
But they definitely – the last thing that they need to do is they need to change the calendar. Yeah, the of course. That's a given. That's a given because it's what they're asking is. January 20th is just ridiculous. when It can end so much earlier. Yeah.
00:47:40
Speaker
It's spaced out sold ridiculous. Yeah. And I'm like, what money do you really get from that for me being spaced out like that? I honestly think it was just spaced out too to ah ah to appease the NFL.
00:47:55
Speaker
Because the NFL starts playing on Saturdays. But again, if the if you move up a week, that gives you an extra week where you can play on your day, your Saturday. And also, f the NFL. Like, if you get your season done early, that's the thing.
00:48:10
Speaker
they aren For me, I don't think they should be worried about competing with NFL regular season games. NFL fans are going to watch the NFL. I'm a college football fan. When those games are on, i don't watch the NFL. Like, I watch Maction on Thursdays instead of the NFL Thursday night game. This is one of those things where, like, your fans are your fans.
00:48:26
Speaker
The thing that will help you, though, is if your season ends before the NFL playoff starts. Because the later games in the playoffs had lower TV numbers. And I'm not a TV numbers person. But for the people that came out, they had lower TV numbers. But it's because you were playing it.
00:48:43
Speaker
during the middle of the nfl playoffs yeah you need to end like who cares about the regular season saturday nfl game your season needs to end before the nfl playoffs you cannot be playing on conference championship weekend at the nfl playoffs and they were doing that this year so any last thoughts on any of that before we go to our pit stops no that uh polite, like I said, it's it's not a bad idea.
Pit Stops: Beyond Football
00:49:10
Speaker
Not a day fully explained themselves. but Only with the play. only yeah Only with the play because you earned that last spot. I guess. I'm still pro 14 over 16, but we'll see.
00:49:21
Speaker
but we yeah right, so we'll wrap up the show with our pit stops. As you know, a pit stop is our time where we get to take a break. We get to talk about something other than about um sports sometimes, other than specifically other than the Big Ten, but sometimes it's not even sports.
00:49:36
Speaker
Our pit stops this week are both sports related. yeah Mine is sort of quick. um So yeah if you listen to the show, you know that I'm into women's soccer, um specifically women's soccer. I don't like men's soccer. It's a it's a weird phenomenon. I think this like It sounds so stupid every time I say it, but it's so true. I think the men kick the ball too hard.
00:49:56
Speaker
like I think the women show, and and as someone that's not, yeah, they show more finesse and more skill because they can't kick the ball 80 yards. like the The men just be like, all they do, in my opinion, and someone listening soccer, you're going to think I'm stupid. It's fine.
00:50:11
Speaker
All the men do is kick the ball over each other and try to run and hope they catch it and kick it in. like The women do that. don't You actually see something. am And they're more violent. like You were talking about women talking. They made me crying.
00:50:22
Speaker
you weren't They'd be like, soccer players are bigger than I thought. They'd be like 6'4", 220 crying. Bro, get up. Get up. if you Get off the ground. Why are you rolling around? oh don't know if anyone would that. Anyways.
00:50:35
Speaker
ah but i think I think I'm not going to lie you. i think the flopping is about evil. It's not. it not or maybe or Or maybe I'm just sexist and don't want to see a man crying. don't know. don't know. but i dont know I think it's not as... There's flopping inside. I think it's more in men. It's more in men. It's definitely more in men. But I...
00:51:00
Speaker
It's a good amount in women's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a real good amount. That's just a soccer thing, but i think I think the men's is more. and It's childish. Shut up. Go fight her, son. What are we talking about?
00:51:14
Speaker
ah i will say that women can play to the refs less. For sure. okay Even if the flopping's the same, the men, be could they be in the ref's face all the time, bro. Do something else. All right. So anyways,
00:51:28
Speaker
um Big fan of the NWSL. I think the NWSL is a model that the WNBA should be following, ah largely because the NWSL is much younger.
Women's Soccer and NWSL Discussion
00:51:38
Speaker
It has more teams than the W because the W wasn't expanding until recently, which ties into yours.
00:51:44
Speaker
But I just found out today that I knew that there was a second league coming called the USL Super League. Um, there's now a second professional women's soccer league.
00:51:55
Speaker
It's first time playing, which started in August. But the reason why I bring this up is I just found out that there was a team in Brooklyn and all the other teams in New York are not in Brooklyn.
00:52:06
Speaker
A lot of them are in Queens, which is really hard to get to. And so true to my roots, I still root for all of my Ohio teams when there's a women's soccer and when there's a WNBA team in Ohio, that's also who I'm going to root for.
00:52:21
Speaker
But until then, i just been, you know, I pick up a New York team here or there, like ah just because I'm here. and Like i I go to New York Liberty games because I'm here and I'm not in Ohio anymore, whatever.
00:52:31
Speaker
um But I was like, man, that's cool. like If I want to go to a soccer game, I can just watch one in Brooklyn. they're They're also supposed to be creating a men's league ah in a couple of years. And so the Brooklyn team is going to have a men's and a women's team.
00:52:45
Speaker
And it's a different league. Yeah, it's a different league. So it doesn't affect me rooting for Columbus Crew. But I can never go to a Columbus Crew game anymore until I come home. ah Which, if I'm ever home in the summer, we should do that.
00:52:57
Speaker
Yeah, no, I haven't been on one. I haven't been either. I was saying I wanted to go, and then I moved. I gotta go to one. Yeah, when I come up, we can we'll have to look that way. But it's cool, because it's it's in Brooklyn. I live in Brooklyn.
00:53:10
Speaker
it's It's like a nice little thing, so I'm excited to... ah ah see if I can go to a game. But I found out today because I get discounts at my job for certain events. And it just came up and it was like Brooklyn Soccer Cup. I was like, when is there soccer in Brooklyn?
00:53:25
Speaker
And I looked it up and I was like, oh, I haven't really been paying that much attention to the USL. But also, it'll be it'll be an interesting thing to follow because in every other sport, two leagues has never worked.
00:53:38
Speaker
Basketball, they merged. Football, they merged. ah Whatever. so to be But soccer... like There's a bunch of leagues in Europe. Even wrestling. Yeah, wrestling merge. Yeah, so it'll be interesting.
00:53:51
Speaker
Baseball? Did baseball have two leagues? a Negro League. Yeah, that merge, yeah. But that was racism. That wasn't two people trying I mean... a yeah it It does count, though. It does count. Yeah, and some good came out of it. of Yeah.
00:54:06
Speaker
so yeah Yeah. um But yeah, so like in like 10, 15 years, whatever, it'll be interesting to see if these leagues end up joining or if they run concurrently. Soccer is a different sport. But like I said, the European model. So there's a chance that they work together. I don't know.
00:54:21
Speaker
But I just thought i was cool. i was like, oh, yeah, there's a soccer team in Brooklyn that I can follow. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. and not have to go to like freaking Queens or deep in New Jersey. That's the other thing. All the sports teams are in Queens or New Jersey.
00:54:38
Speaker
That is not like that. It is impossible for me
WNBA Expansion and Team Revivals
00:54:41
Speaker
to get there. If you don't know anything about York, just understand, even though it's a really small place, it's but it's ah it's it's impossible to get anywhere, but Brooklyn going in it anywhere from Brooklyn is impossible.
00:54:55
Speaker
So, Or expensive. that's um um'm I'm glad that there's a soccer team in Brooklyn. You got some got something to do too. yeah so ah You told me to this. yeah I didn't even know this, but I guess there's a chance that the Cleveland Rockers are coming back.
00:55:13
Speaker
That's my best thought. The rumor is it's a 90% like mag says oh okay i like that i like those odds um that is actually my first i think that was my first professional sport this morning event that i ever went to and it's definitely my first professional basketball and only basketball event i've never been to a calves game that's crazy yeah yeah never been to a cast game i want to go i might try to go before think it's like 12 no yeah it ain't not that bad but yeah uh
00:55:46
Speaker
But I guess I just – I never went. So I'm going to go – I'm going to try to go before this season ends this season. Yeah. The Cleveland Rockets coming back is nice. oh I was low-key heartbroken that Cleveland didn't get the soccer team. It went to Denver. I don't know if I said that on the podcast. it went I don't think that we had the actual area. It just – we knew we Cleveland wasn't getting Yeah, I was sick. It went to Denver.
00:56:09
Speaker
so But WNBA? All right. And I don't even remember the logo for this, but like people have been showing the old jerseys. First of all, those jerseys were fired. Just recreate them. They won't be as good because none of the jerseys look as good, even if they recreate it. that...
00:56:24
Speaker
the The R with the guitar, i didn't remember that. that should be me very hot Me neither. They better not change that logo. If they do anything else, I'm going to sick. i hope they don't change I hope it's the Rockers because it makes sense. We have the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
00:56:40
Speaker
i yeah It plays in. like I hope we keep the name. I hope they don't do something different. I think the name is for sure. okay I'm just hoping they keep the logo. Oh, yeah, they better. But that's the thing. All these teams be changing their logos.
00:56:54
Speaker
Everyone has a different logo. Even from when we were like 12 to now, almost every franchise has a different logo. And they're almost all worse. like i didn't oh yeah, yeah. It's the minimalism that designed. I can't think of a logo right now that changed recently that's better.
00:57:10
Speaker
and then and then And then they'd be like retro jerseys. And it's everyone's like, that should be the original jersey. Like, why did we change this logo? This is starting that is so much better. but yeah Unless your logo was racist, Washington baseball team, there was no reason for you to change it. Go back. and Go back to your logo, Cleveland baseball team. Everyone else, go back to the original logo. Nobody asked for this.
00:57:32
Speaker
um But yeah, I'm very, ah I thought you'd be excited about it. That's I'm going to go to one of those games too, so now have to go. to a Cavs game and a Rockers game when they come when they come. Yeah, I think they're going to start in 2028.
00:57:47
Speaker
The other okay nice other thing with this, the last thing with that is this is something that I've advocated for. So the league originally said they wanted to go to 18 teams.
00:58:00
Speaker
I think they should just go to 20 right now and then not do expansion for like 10 years. okay just But I think they're going to go to 18. Maybe they'll stop. So one thing that I was saying is the rumor was that they had like 11 or 12 really good like bids.
00:58:19
Speaker
But the the bids was for the 16th team. I'm just like, if you have these good bids, just pick all 18. yeah I would prefer that they go to 20, but just pick on 18. Instead of doing this again in a year or two, if you have these bids now, just say this is 16, this is 17, this is 18.
00:58:37
Speaker
The rumor is supposedly that's what they're doing. I don't think they were going to because the WNBAs run badly sometimes. But the reason why I say this is, ah keep saying the rumor is, but it's they're all rumors right now.
00:58:48
Speaker
There is a thought that all of the teams that they're going to bring back, if they go to 18, all the teams that you're hearing are all revival franchises. o the rockets It's Detroit Shock.
00:59:00
Speaker
It's the Houston Cowboys. oh I don't remember the team name in Miami, but it's Miami. yeah i don't I don't know either. Actually, I think the one that's not ah the one that's high up on the list that's not a renewal is Nashville.
00:59:14
Speaker
Nashville would be a brand new team, but there's been a lot of there's been like a lot of positive momentum in Nashville with women's sports, so I think that would be the new one. but like At least four of the sort of top names is essentially Cleveland, Detroit, Houston,
00:59:30
Speaker
in miami again i don't remember miami's name so but essentially if they go to 18 unless they give it to nashville they may be reviving three franchises i think i don't think they should go to texas i hate when you don't have that many teams and you do too many in the same thing but i the way it's looking it's looking like it's going texas and houston for sure yeah it's looking like it's going to be cleveland um and the one thing i'll say about texas you go to hy houston too yeah like like the comet's the only team that's three-peated like like that's like the big the bringing back the comet is like the nba we're talking about the seattle sonics it's like you kind of just have to do it you gotta do it oh it's looking like it may be cleveland if they do if they continue with this that it may be houston bring back the comet and then the third team maybe nassville or bringing back the miami franchise or something but yeah they might as well just do it yeah
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01:00:19
Speaker
I still think they should go to 20, especially if you have 12 really good brands, pick five and then just like, yeah, we're not doing this. Like we're not doing this again for another 10 years. Then if you go to 20, you can make the changes to the playoffs. You can make the changes to the regular season. You do all of that in time for your new TV contract.
01:00:35
Speaker
You add a round or whatever it is. Like all of your changes are happening at once. Like 20, 28, everything's happening. these teams are in the playoff team, whatever. But 18 or 20, I guess that's sort of negligible. But yeah, Cleveland Rockers.
01:00:48
Speaker
I'm excited. I can't wait to go through a game. And I just think it might be cool if they bring Houston comments back to me. Yeah. All right, that's it. We didn't do three hours.
01:00:59
Speaker
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