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S3-123: Outdoor Pride is in the house!
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The guys sit down with Jake Howard and Scott Anderson, two of the guys featured on this past Friday's Outdoor Pride episode of Storm Chasin' with The SnowJobs. The guys give us their thoughts and share their experiences of doing the show, and talk about the snow life in general.
Music Credit: Rev Theory
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Transcript
Introduction & Weather Talk
00:00:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Let's go snow jobs nation. We are back again, bringing you episode one 23 of the snow jobs podcast mount main show. Sorry, powered by top gun backblades as always. I'm Steve, you know, who's with me.
00:00:57
Jacob Howard
No, it's easier.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Jeremy Lindstrom. What is up buddy?
00:01:01
RICK JAMES
Not too much. How about you, Steve-O?
00:01:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, not much, man. Not much. Rainy Saturday, rainy Saturday.
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RICK JAMES
Green in there?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Rain, thunder, wind, getting the whole gamut right now.
00:01:08
RICK JAMES
You had a good week?
00:01:12
RICK JAMES
Yeah?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Hopefully we don't lose internet.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That'd be bad. Power. No.
00:01:15
RICK JAMES
How was your week?
Weekly Work Highlights
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Busy. Working the other job this week a lot. Yeah, but what's that?
00:01:22
RICK JAMES
Working the street corners, huh? Working the street corners, huh?
00:01:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes. yeah Yes. Yes. More than you know. ah ah How was your week, dude?
00:01:33
RICK JAMES
busy, really busy putting God's juice down.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
God's juice.
00:01:37
RICK JAMES
I had a pretty, really busy week. I think I put 18 semi-loads out, just myself.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. How many gallons?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow. That is a busy week.
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RICK JAMES
think the other truck did about 12.
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Jacob Howard
I'm going to see on this.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah. It's used.
00:01:46
Jacob Howard
going to see you on this.
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RICK JAMES
Average? don't know.
00:01:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is a busy week, dude. Wow. Good for you.
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RICK JAMES
yeah
Work Travel & Family Priorities
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The SnowJobs Podcast
What's your average? I forget to ask you this all the time. What's your average like distance away from the shop that you're going to do this?
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RICK JAMES
average 50 miles maybe.
00:02:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, okay. So you go that far. Gotcha.
00:02:05
RICK JAMES
Yeah. I mean, we'll go anywhere if they want to pay.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:02:08
RICK JAMES
So, next week I got to go a couple hundred miles away. But, yeah. So, yeah.
00:02:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
I got you. All right. Cool. Anything else? No.
00:02:17
RICK JAMES
Nah, just staying busy with that while getting closer to going to see the boys, I guess. So, yeah.
00:02:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yeah. Rub it in. Rub it in.
00:02:27
RICK JAMES
Yeah. um you I will. I will. I want to get away.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Uh, I know.
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RICK JAMES
So,
00:02:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, you guys are going to have fun. I'm happy for you. I'll be, uh, I'm sorry. I'm missing it, but what are you going to do, dude?
00:02:38
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Family first.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Got to do the right thing.
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RICK JAMES
We got it. Yeah.
00:02:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
So what are we doing today, dude?
Guest Introduction & Storm Chasing
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RICK JAMES
Oh, we're going to talk to ODP about their episode.
00:02:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
We are, we are today. We have Jake Howard and Scott Anderson of ODP stars of the latest episode of storm chasing with the snow jobs that dropped Friday night or last night for us.
00:03:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah They're going to, they're going to be here. they're going to share their team storm chasing experience. Tell us how it went for them. And you know, hear all about it here. They had a good storm while they were up there. So that's, that's really cool.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
and It looked really good. I watched it the just a little bit ago.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
It looked great.
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RICK JAMES
That was really good.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So should be fun.
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RICK JAMES
Yep.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Should be good time.
00:03:20
RICK JAMES
Very good show.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
We've had Jake on before with us, so he knows the drill. We, uh, he got his, he got his, um, he got his, uh, audio and video figured out this time.
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RICK JAMES
Yep.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Last time I think he had to break into somebody else's office to, uh, to do it.
00:03:32
RICK JAMES
Yeah, I remember that.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
But, uh,
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RICK JAMES
Yep.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
but Yeah. So it should be good. Should be fun. I look forward to hearing about it.
00:03:39
RICK JAMES
Yep.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Cause this is the one that neither one of us got to, right? You weren't there either.
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RICK JAMES
No, I was in Jersey.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
You were diverted to Jersey.
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RICK JAMES
was in Jersey. Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
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RICK JAMES
So, A-team just doing our thing.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha. The a team doing it, doing it.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, but think Jordan
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The SnowJobs Podcast
What are you Hannibal? Are you, what which one are you face man? Which which part of the a team are you?
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RICK JAMES
whoever they want me to be.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Who's Steve is Steve BA. Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He pities the fool.
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RICK JAMES
yeah could be.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. All right. All right. Yeah, so this should be good. This should be good for both of us to hear how it went.
Outdoor Pride Operations & YouTube Feature
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And, yeah, look look forward to hearing from.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, definitely.
00:04:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
But before we do that, guys, as always, let's hear from Team Top Gun. We'll come back. We'll do a quick week in review, and we'll get on with the boys.
00:04:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, gang, we are back. So as we said, we can review storm chasing with the snow jobs episode for drop Friday or it or last night, depending on you are.
00:05:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
And it did feature outdoor pride. They are in Massachusetts and New Hampshire. I can't do that accent, but man, there were some funny accents on that episode.
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RICK JAMES
ah yeah
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, it's a little different.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
like
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The SnowJobs Podcast
you need I'll tell you, some of the some of the serious Boston accents you need a translator for. There are some serious accents out there, but those guys will all say I got a bad accent, so it it works. But, yeah, ODP is huge. They're in Massachusetts and New Hampshire. there There aren't many companies out there like them, and we're very lucky to be able to see their operation in person and and their people get to know them and see what they do up close. So ah if you haven't already done so, head over to YouTube, give it a like, give it a watch, you know subscribe to the Storm Chasing page, and see ODP in action doing what they do.
Upcoming Events & Merchandise
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The SnowJobs Podcast
uh sima we said 2025 jeremy touched on he's looking forward to it because it is coming quick what is it 10 days away so eight days away when this drops wow a week away holy shit so if you're coming if you're going to sima guys do not miss the arctic party that is on wednesday night all right arctic it's for all attendees of sima it's uh what are they what are they calling i can't remember offhand like the people that keep winter moving
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, think so.
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RICK JAMES
yeah Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
It's a, it's an appreciation event by Arctic snow and ice control products for the entire industry.
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RICK JAMES
oh Oh, yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Do not miss a minute of that. Do not let anything tear you away from six to midnight at the Arctic party. All right. Everybody be there. Rick James will be there.
00:06:32
RICK JAMES
The B.O.B.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Are they bringing you your own mechanical bull?
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I know it's not the, uh, the PBR bar, but are they bringing you a mechanical bill?
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RICK JAMES
Yeah. i think I think Spencer is going to bring on. So, yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Sweet. Jeremy's got skills. I got to say, Jeremy can ride the bull.
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RICK JAMES
Let's just bring a real ball.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I was actually shocked.
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RICK JAMES
Let's bring a real ball.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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RICK JAMES
Let's do it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
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RICK JAMES
haven't been on them for a while.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I would actually like to see that.
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RICK JAMES
I'd do it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That'd be funny. Have you ridden a real bull?
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RICK JAMES
done it before. Yes, I have.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Have you done?
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, not, yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow.
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RICK JAMES
Not for long.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
You're a real cowboy.
00:07:03
RICK JAMES
On the ground. Well, I'm from North Dakota, so I grew up on a ranch, so.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
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RICK JAMES
You do a lot of ranch and stuff out here, so.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
See, learn something new about Rick James every day. He actually wrote rides a real bull.
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RICK JAMES
We used to, we have, we'd go to WeFest, that's a big country concert deal, and we'd bring a rope, and we'd rope girls as they'd walk by, and,
Amusing Anecdotes & Marketing
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RICK JAMES
you know, get them back over our campsite and stuff, so.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Pretty sure that's a felony. I'm just even in North Dakota.
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RICK JAMES
No, it was a Minnesota.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I don't think you can go roping girls.
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RICK JAMES
the so You could there. could there.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Anything goes in North Dakota.
00:07:35
RICK JAMES
They still do it to this day. Yes, sir.
00:07:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, shit. That's great. But seriously, I'll back to the the Arctic party there. Guys, do not miss it. All right. the ah If you were last year, if you were lucky enough to be at the yeah storm slash snow jobs party at the at Pittsburgh at the stadium, um that thing was off the hook. And I have a feeling this one is going to blow that one out of the water and just raise the bar for a for show parties.
00:08:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, uh, it's a week away. Don't miss it. All right. Uh, if your company is interested in booking dates to train at storm Academy, this upcoming fall or winter, uh, again, make sure you get ahold of Steve Smythe, uh, get your dates reserved soon because they are going quick.
00:08:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
What else? ah This Wednesday night, 8 p.m. Eastern, the Snow Jobs Nation webinar series is back hosting Lucas Strait of the Nest Leasing and Arctic Snow and Ice.
00:08:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah He's going to be presenting a webinar to help guys determine what the best course of action is for their company when it comes to equipment acquisitions. All right. So it's called Buy, Lease, or Rent, ah Which Option Works Best for You? That's the title of it. And it's ah it's going to be much more in-depth and personalized version of the panel discussion that he was on at Storks in April.
00:08:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
So if anybody was at Storks and and heard that, it was very good. But he was limited on what he could say.
00:08:49
RICK JAMES
It's going good one.
00:08:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
So that was good, right, Jay?
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, it's going to a good good webinar. So, yeah.
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RICK JAMES
I
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Definitely.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And he he'll break it all down for you numbers-wise and show you like what your options are depending on your financial positions and your company makeup. ah So if you want to get in on that, if you want an invite for that webinar, DM us at the Snow Jobs Podcast on Instagram or email us at thesnowjobspodcast at gmail.com.
00:09:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Anything else I forgot, Jay?
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RICK JAMES
don't think so.
00:09:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Thanks, guys, again. Thanks for the ah the great reviews that you guys are leaving on the website and ah and on ah Apple Podcasts and and Spotify and stuff. It does not go unnoticed. We do see them. We do read them.
00:09:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
We get notified when you leave them, and ah it means a lot to us. So thank you very much. We really appreciate your support. ah Buy SnowJobs merch at the SnowJobsNationStore.com.
00:09:40
RICK JAMES
yeah do that
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, Jeremy, we'll ship it out.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
personally All items personally touched by Rick James.
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RICK JAMES
you got it you got it we're good buddy
00:09:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. We good. All right. Well then let's hear from our partners and we will come back and we'll get into it. The boys.
00:10:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, gang, we are back. We are back. Thank you to our partners. As always, we could not do this without you guys. And, uh, I saw Jake. Did you see Jake holding up the muskox Sharpie?
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:11:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Probably the best, best marketing thing ever. Muskox did make Jeremy his own personal autograph Sharpie. That's great.
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RICK JAMES
I think think i like three at my desk here.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Everybody's got them, but, uh, yeah, we're, uh,
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RICK JAMES
so but
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The SnowJobs Podcast
It's it yeah, that dude, they they killed it with that. Those those sharp sharpies are probably the greatest marketing idea. yeah And we we've actually used them, right?
00:11:32
RICK JAMES
I love it. Yeah.
00:11:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
00:11:35
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:11:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Without further ado, though, let's just do it, man.
00:11:36
Jacob Howard
yeah
00:11:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Welcome Jake and Scott to the Snow Jobs representing ODP. Guys, you're famous. How are we?
00:11:45
RICK JAMES
Hey, guys.
00:11:45
Jacob Howard
Good, good.
00:11:47
Jacob Howard
and Thanks for having us. I had to bring Scotty. For anybody that saw the episode, we had a watch party here last night. um We're all pretty pumped about it, a lot of pride in it. And the star of the the show, I figured I had to bring Scott Anderson on the OG, the GOAT, as we call him.
00:12:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Would you say it's a lot of indoor pride or is it outdoor pride?
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Jacob Howard
After tried.
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RICK JAMES
Okay.
00:12:08
Jacob Howard
After tried.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That was lame as fuck, but I had to do it.
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Jacob Howard
but
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Scott had the line of, I think, the only other line I think that resonates so far with me is Don Nelson's line about how we're in an industry of no excuses. But Scott's opening line about having no established sleep pattern in winter, that was absolutely so dead on perfect.
00:12:27
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:12:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, that is, i if it's not the best line, it's definitely in the top two of the series.
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RICK JAMES
but
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Jacob Howard
I appreciate it.
00:12:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
No problem. It's 100% accurate.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:12:40
Jacob Howard
Oh, I thought Scotty had a lot of lines.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Anybody?
00:12:42
Jacob Howard
where i was like, I'm glad that that made it. And I'm glad they're going to experience Scotty like I have over the years.
00:12:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
That one hit.
00:12:46
RICK JAMES
That one was good.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That one hit. That one hit.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, he was he was right there front and center. Pretty much all the social media and everything was you, Scotty. What do you think of that?
00:12:57
Jacob Howard
Oh, boy. Yeah. When they were telling me this was going to happen, i I had no idea it was big as they you know it seems to be. But hey. you know all the name of fun
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Did you have fun doing it? Did you guys have fun making the episode?
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Jacob Howard
yeah yeah yeah great bring them again yeah yeah let them ride around with me in a loader for a while they'll probably shit their pants but you know i don't get out it i don't get out to run the uh the big equipment too much anymore but when i do yeah i can still wheel and deal with those bad boys
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Good.
Career Transitions & Filming Experiences
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. Life of a supervisor.
00:13:28
RICK JAMES
awesome
00:13:29
Jacob Howard
ah The backstory that I thought was cool, anybody that watched the episode says Scott has been a loader operator, full-time seasonal loader operator with us for like my nine, 10 years here at Outdoor Pride.
00:13:45
Jacob Howard
And last, this past winter where we shot the episode was the first year we we put him in a truck as like an ops manager to oversee the Manchester airport area. Because from my point of view, I'm like, listen,
00:13:57
Jacob Howard
I can find somebody to fill a loader seat, right? Like that that is something that I feel like I can always staff and replace and train, but I can't find somebody that knows every single site that's been with us this many years and gets it and knows how to get everything done. If we're gonna keep scaling and I'm going to have to be here, there and everywhere, I'm like, Scotty, how would you feel about going into a truck and being like in charge and like being the ops manager?
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Jacob Howard
um And obviously that was a great decision from our team internally.
00:14:25
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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Jacob Howard
And it ah definitely allowed us to scale and grow and take on some other stuff.
00:14:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
So this was Scott's first year doing that job.
00:14:34
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:14:35
Jacob Howard
No, no, I was an operations manager here back in, I started with this company in 98 and, you know, just just started out just just having a root.
00:14:47
Jacob Howard
And then as as the company grew, you know, they ah we had to branch out and they got their first campus
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yup.
00:14:55
Jacob Howard
you know, down at Fidelity. And so the the gentleman that was running this area was going to go down there and get that going. So he says, hey, this is yours. And yeah, that that was a big change from just, you know, running a route to running people. And then I stepped back just to run an equipment while i you know, had my daughter, you know, I i wasn't available as much.
00:15:16
Jacob Howard
But now that she's all grown up, they they dragged me back in and said, here, here's truck.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yup.
00:15:20
RICK JAMES
Oh.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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Jacob Howard
Well,
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. Oh,
00:15:27
Jacob Howard
Yeah, yeah. But geez, i've been I've been pushing snow since 1989.
00:15:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh wow.
00:15:34
Jacob Howard
Yeah, yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go.
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Jacob Howard
First truck was an F600. You could see through the floors. You know, yeah, four four four handles to to raise lower and angle the plow.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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Jacob Howard
And yeah, load of three-quarter inch stone down in Rhode Island in some big parking lots.
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Jacob Howard
and
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I think that truck is still around.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I think it's in Jersey now. I think Sean has it.
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Jacob Howard
Yeah, yeah, probably yours.
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RICK JAMES
yeah
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Jacob Howard
Yeah. and
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RICK JAMES
three Yeah, it's a lot easier.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. ah So you must love it. You've been doing it that long.
00:16:02
Jacob Howard
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can't get away. I've said I'm going to stop and I can't. It's just in my blood, you know.
00:16:08
RICK JAMES
It's in your blood.
00:16:09
Jacob Howard
I enjoy it. You know, the hours can be pretty hectic sometimes, but, hey, it is what it is, you know, to roll with the punches and, you know, tomorrow's another day.
00:16:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:16:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
have you had that Have you had that storm ever that, like, is whatever, it carries on for 30, 36 hours, nothing goes right, and at the end of that storm, you're exhausted, you're just like, I'm done doing this shit.
00:16:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
And then you get some sleep, and then you're like, okay, next next storm, let's go.
00:16:31
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:16:35
Jacob Howard
Yeah. well Well, back in the day, you know, we we definitely had a lot more than we you know could handle with the cruise we had, but we we always made it happen. So sometimes I'd be here for 60, 70 hours straight, you know, sleeping on the floor in my office, you know, sleeping in the truck, you know, just just trying to make stuff happen because you you can't leave your customers hanging.
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RICK JAMES
Right.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ge
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The SnowJobs Podcast
You can't.
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Jacob Howard
You know, if the phone's ringing,
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RICK JAMES
right
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Jacob Howard
They better not be calling to be complaining, you know.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
00:17:03
Jacob Howard
So those were, yeah, those were the days and we always made it happen, you know.
00:17:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's awesome.
00:17:08
Jacob Howard
you Yeah, yeah.
00:17:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Very cool. What got, Jay?
00:17:10
RICK JAMES
you know like like jacob Like Jake said, you know can you can always find another operator, but you can't find another Scotty.
00:17:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. 100%.
00:17:17
RICK JAMES
and know
00:17:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:17:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:17:18
RICK JAMES
but That's definitely something you just can't go find off the street.
00:17:20
Jacob Howard
Yep, yep.
00:17:24
RICK JAMES
So what were you guys thinking? What was your first reaction when you when you know were chosen to be on the snow chase or storm chase? and before you guys What you guys think about it?
00:17:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah yeah
00:17:34
Jacob Howard
Well, I was going to speak to that as far as this series, right? And anybody that's watching or following it, like you want to talk about reality TV. Um, um the way it The way it played out for us, it was a weekend. And we all knew that we had a storm coming in Sunday night into Monday morning.
00:17:53
Jacob Howard
And that's always those storms where like, Monday morning, every single client's open.
00:17:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
yep yep yep
00:17:57
Jacob Howard
Everybody's showing up to work. It's kind of that daunting storm where you're going get hammered Sunday night and you better be on your A game and be in tip-top shape come Monday morning.
00:18:01
RICK JAMES
Yep. Yep.
00:18:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
ye
00:18:07
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:18:07
Jacob Howard
Well, was a random Saturday, right? Most people are off. Our VP Deegan calls me and says, hey, Ghost Dog Media just flew into Logan Airport. um Are you sending anybody out to Pre-Tree? We're going to film. like they're gonna be They're filming everything.
00:18:23
Jacob Howard
So like my operators, my team, Scotty, Nick, the guys you see in the video – I called them live time. I'm like, hey, when you guys get to the shop tonight at 7 p.m.
00:18:36
Jacob Howard
to go out and treat, um you're going to be meeting a camera crew. You might have a hot mic, this, that, and the other thing. like There's no script. There was no prep time. So you're getting real raw content.
00:18:48
Jacob Howard
what we do live time, you know, we're answering questions, but I mean, there's no, so there's no script. There's no storylines. They showed up and they were absolute troopers that stayed up for the 48 to, you know, three days straight with us.
00:19:06
Jacob Howard
Um,
00:19:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:19:06
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:19:07
Jacob Howard
as big as our operation is, we didn't want them to miss anything, right? So whether they were going to Mass, back to New Hampshire, to Merrimack, to Concord, wherever it is, we were like, hey, we just we just lined up truck brushing. Hey, we just lined up dumping decks here.
00:19:21
Jacob Howard
We just lined up snow removal in ah and hauling, and we want you to get it all. So they were ping-ponging around, showing up to random crews, doing random jobs that they didn't even know they were coming.
00:19:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's awesome.
00:19:33
Jacob Howard
So it kind of happened like that across the entire portfolio where they were showing up to teams doing their job and filming them do their job. You know what i mean?
00:19:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I like that. I like that they got to see a little of everything you guys do.
Equipment & Innovations in Snow Management
00:19:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Because, you know, talking to Mike so much like we do, we know all that we know the truck brushing is big for you guys.
00:19:48
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:19:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
We know the the dumping decks is big for you guys. ah And we know the airport. So to see a little bit of everything, I thought that was pretty cool because I just watched it and I was like, ah. Because the funny thing about the airport is I found, Jeremy, I found the people that have the QuickCube.
00:20:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Those are the guys that bought the quick cube.
00:20:10
RICK JAMES
Yeah, I saw that. I was thinking the same thing. i was i was thinking the same thing when I was watching.
00:20:12
Jacob Howard
but
00:20:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
I that's what I have.
00:20:14
RICK JAMES
I'm like, oh, there's the Quick Cube. was like, that's what Steve has.
00:20:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
We just use the boxes, though. We don't use it to spread salt. We can't but we can't do it with the skids. But um the boxes are great for holding salt. We use them all over our all over our route for the sidewalk machines they to fill up off of.
00:20:32
Jacob Howard
okay okay no we have more than one we have quite a few but and i'm sure have you tried to use them on skids okay yeah so we used to use them up at a hospital that had a deck with height restrictions and that's why we first bought two a long time ago to be able to treat treat the top of parking decks that you can't get trucks into but as you know you have zero visibility in a skid steer when you have a box covering your entire windshield
00:20:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
no We put them everywhere.
00:20:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's where we use them. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:20:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:20:59
Jacob Howard
it was a it was a game changer for us this year with the l95 bobcat mini loaders you got you got 360 vision around you the lights on those the hids i mean the the the lighting's great and the visibility is great in that machine as it is so now using a quick cube in that being able to cut into a loading dock articulate um they worked really well on those i still wouldn't want to treat with that in skid steer but put me
00:21:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
I saw that.
00:21:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
ye
00:21:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, no.
00:21:27
Jacob Howard
in a mini loader and it's, it's pretty efficient.
00:21:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
It makes sense in the mini. it It definitely makes sense in the mini, and we make we may try that.
00:21:32
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
00:21:33
Jacob Howard
I think it's got more hydraulic power too. So you can actually get that thing kicking and spreading more than a skid steer is going to put to it.
00:21:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:21:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, that was the problem we had. We we had to to be able to control the spread width. You had to be at a low RPM to get it to do. Like if you were going down and you could only throw that salt 10 feet or 12 feet, the spread width, your RPMs had to be so low that you were going so slow that you were putting it down too heavy.
00:21:58
Jacob Howard
Right.
00:21:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
But then when you needed it, if you wanted to have RPMs that you could actually go quicker to put down less salt, it was spreading at 40 feet wide.
00:22:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
And sometimes you didn't want to do that.
00:22:06
Jacob Howard
Right.
00:22:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
So ah we used it and we tried it and it was like, yeah, you know what? It's a great plan B or plan C if ah you know if we ever needed it. So we still have them, but we have all those boxes and we just use them as as basically salt depots, weatherproof salt depots all over our our area because our sidewalk machines in the village, just they rode from property to property down the sidewalks and they just bang them out.
00:22:27
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:22:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
So every so often you got those quick cube boxes and they fill up off those.
00:22:32
Jacob Howard
Oh, that's perfect. I mean, they're great for that. Yeah. I mean, you know how expensive it is just to buy those yellow totes and sit them around.
00:22:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:22:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
you can't do it. They're cheaper. The quick cube boxes are cheaper.
00:22:41
Jacob Howard
yeah The clients ask for it until they get the invoice and they're like, oh, I guess, no, yeah, those brute barrels from Home Depot will be fine.
00:22:41
RICK JAMES
know
00:22:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah it's like It was a no brainer.
00:22:51
Jacob Howard
Yeah, you're right. Those will work.
00:22:52
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:22:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
but yeah yeah
00:22:53
RICK JAMES
yeah yeah yeah
00:22:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah But yeah, when I saw it on the L 95, I'm like, oh, all right, that ain't dumb.
00:22:58
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:22:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
That probably makes it a little bit better.
00:22:59
RICK JAMES
ah chapter I thought the same thing when I saw I was like, oh, there it is.
00:23:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:23:03
Jacob Howard
You know what didn't make it on the video just because we're speaking about salt boxes, right?
00:23:03
RICK JAMES
There's the other.
00:23:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
There it is.
00:23:08
Jacob Howard
And I heard Dix commercial there. We did get... um Yes.
00:23:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Double down.
00:23:14
Jacob Howard
No, we didn't get the double down. We got the...
00:23:17
RICK JAMES
Sears?
00:23:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, this so the series from East Coast Facilities.
00:23:21
Jacob Howard
Yes. So we had one dropped at one of my distribution centers for a full size loader. And then we had one dropped on a site that has a mini loader. So a Bobcat L95 and we use both.
00:23:34
Jacob Howard
And as what you were saying, you, you do have to go into the Komatsu settings and tune down your, your hydraulic flow. We found so you don't blow a line or you don't overpower or underpower the series bucket. That's on the loader.
00:23:49
Jacob Howard
You don't have to do that on the the mini loaders, the Bobcat, because it's only a one-yard bucket. So the difference is one's a one-yard, one's a three-yard.
00:23:55
RICK JAMES
Yeah. 39.
00:23:58
Jacob Howard
I had the pleasure of using that on ah on a 320 Komatsu on a massive distribution center, and I've never in my life doing snow been able to treat that wide.
00:23:58
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:24:06
RICK JAMES
are nine
00:24:12
Jacob Howard
of a square footage in one straight shot and i've also not had that much pressure where i wouldn't even consider driving in between a lane of double parked cars unless you wanted to pay for windshields bumpers and like paint corrections um you hear that stuff pinning off the loading docks and off the concrete and i'm like dude you could take somebody out with this thing
00:24:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:24:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:24:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:24:27
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:24:34
Jacob Howard
Um, so obviously for the right application and the right settings, wide open, big, massive distribution centers, being able to get a truck out of there and treat quicker and faster and more efficiently in tight corners, the way that you can move with a loader.
00:24:49
Jacob Howard
Um, that thing was a game changer there. Even for some of the late storms that were really treatables. Um, I just sent one operator in and I was like, dude, hook up the bucket and just beach it.
00:25:01
RICK JAMES
Great.
00:25:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:25:01
Jacob Howard
And I never have ever been able to do that at that type of a place because it just takes the truck way longer to get five yards in the hopper and drive around. and
00:25:10
RICK JAMES
right
00:25:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, those salting buckets are game changers. They definitely are with a lot of ah lot more people moving towards equipment and away from trucks, especially these large sites, the distribution stuff. That eliminates the need for a truck there.
00:25:21
Jacob Howard
Well, I'm excited to see some of that at Syma this year because I just think they are still so new that there's there's some kinks.
00:25:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
If you already have the machines.
00:25:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:25:29
Jacob Howard
And there's some tweaks in them. And like I said, we found out the hard way on setting the hydraulic pressure and you got to change the, you know, in the system settings and go into the menu of the Komatsu.
00:25:41
Jacob Howard
The Bobcat seemed to be all right. If your salt is not completely dry, I mean, if it is, it has to be perfect scenario.
00:25:46
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:25:51
Jacob Howard
though Those boxes are almost set up to be like dumping calcium in them. Like if you want them to smoothly treat and and accurately treat the way that you're used to, um it better be completely dry, no chunks, and it better almost be the consistency of a bag of calcium to get what you're looking for.
00:25:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Thank you.
00:26:09
Jacob Howard
So I think there's room for improvement, and I'm confident like anything else that comes out in our industry new to the market that you figure it out live time, unfortunately, on our end while we're out using it and needing it, and then they they kind of dial it in and make the tweaks that are needed.
00:26:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure. Absolutely.
00:26:26
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
00:26:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's any product. Absolutely. Yeah. You're right though. The evolution will be interesting for the next two, three, four years on these things that they start to tweak and stuff. But, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's cool to see the the different stuff coming.
00:26:39
Jacob Howard
Yeah, because we were on the demo side. is That's basically what it was. They showed up midway through the winter, and it's like, yeah, it's cool to demo. I'm not ready to take a truck off the site and rely on it.
00:26:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's, uh,
00:26:50
Jacob Howard
I'm not comfortable doing that yet.
00:26:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, 100%. hundred percent 100%. So that was pretty cool, though, that we got to see like a little everything that you guys do. I thought that was really cool.
00:27:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
um I would have liked to have actually seen more at the airport, but ah the truck brushing was cool. that was ah that's ah That's a nice thing, you guys, to be able to do that. That's pretty cool.
00:27:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
What was...
00:27:15
Jacob Howard
Yeah, that's it's a huge part of the operation around the airport um where me and Scotty have really cut our teeth and been around here forever.
00:27:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
what
00:27:19
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:27:22
Jacob Howard
um Every single client you can think of around the airport is near a terminal, near a tarmac, FedEx, UPS, Amazon, FW Web, Pratt & Whitney. so Every client needs to move the trucks.
00:27:36
Jacob Howard
So it's just the storms don't end around here. Everyone else in Massachusetts is calling in like, oh, we're wrapping up this, that, and the third.
00:27:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:27:42
Jacob Howard
And it's like, we're out for days taking shifts, double booking the truck brushes, triple booking them. And we're keeping guys on around the clock because that means you still need to treat.
00:27:49
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:27:52
Jacob Howard
You still need to clean up the mess from it. It's almost like those lots are getting wind drifted and and reglazed over because you're brushing and the wind's blowing and it's post-storm.
00:27:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:28:02
Jacob Howard
And then they're moving all the trailers, and that's all frozen under the trailers. Well, that's the thing, right?
00:28:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:28:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah.
00:28:07
Jacob Howard
They haven't moved anything all storm long. So when you book a truck brush, you best book a loader with a pusher on it to clean everything up where they're coming from.
00:28:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Amen. So you guys said you had a watch party last night. That's pretty cool. So what did, what did everybody think?
00:28:23
Jacob Howard
I think everybody was just super excited and and they didn't know what to expect because there were so many teasers, which was awesome, right? Like we got these, these little bits and it's funny because I think half the stuff that I seen in the teasers wasn't in the video or vice versa.
00:28:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:28:38
Jacob Howard
So you, I mean, for us, I don't think anybody had seen it maybe other than Mark before last night, like company-wide we had and I hadn't seen it.
00:28:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:28:46
RICK JAMES
know
00:28:46
Jacob Howard
Um, yeah,
00:28:47
Jacob Howard
so We ordered a bunch of food. we We told people they could bring their kids, their wives, their families. So we just opened it up to to our team. And like you were talking about earlier, Steve, literally countdown to 7 p.m.
00:29:01
Jacob Howard
Thunder, lightning, torrential downpours. We're all here in in the headquarters office in Manchester. And people that showed up with wives and kids literally turned around and left.
00:29:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Really?
00:29:14
Jacob Howard
Because like you wouldn't want to get out of your car type of storm that we had blow through here last night.
00:29:19
Jacob Howard
Like 50 mile an hour winds.
00:29:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow.
00:29:19
RICK JAMES
Oh, wow.
00:29:20
Jacob Howard
They're talking about hail in the town next to us. um We had to pick the the recruitment, our our trailer up that has like a side door with a big TV. We're like, oh, we're all going to watch it in the multimedia trailer.
00:29:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:29:32
Jacob Howard
Um, we had to put it in a bay, move all the chairs, move everything in the bay. Like last second, we had Nick jump in the skid. We pull it in. It's dumping all the water off the trailer.
00:29:43
Jacob Howard
All the seats were wet, but the show went on and everybody saw it and we didn't miss a beat. And, uh, for guys like me that live this, I mean, I've watched it, multiple times since then.
00:29:52
RICK JAMES
Well, yep.
00:29:54
Jacob Howard
And, I think it's awesome. You know, I'm just glad that, you know, we've been doing this forever. We live it. This is our life. But to see it in that perspective, I just i just feel a lot of gratitude.
00:30:07
Jacob Howard
I mean, watching Scotty and Nick and our guys doing what they do, it's it's just cool to see live time.
00:30:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, youre you guys killed it.
00:30:16
Jacob Howard
Yeah, they should do it like, you know, like ah like a deadliest catch thing and put us on Discovery Channel.
00:30:16
RICK JAMES
what
00:30:21
Jacob Howard
You know, they go right around.
00:30:22
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:30:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're working on it.
00:30:22
Jacob Howard
Okay.
00:30:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're working on it.
00:30:24
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:30:25
Jacob Howard
That'd be badass, you know?
00:30:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah We're working on it.
00:30:28
Jacob Howard
Yeah, yeah. Oh, one thing I don't want to forget, and i knew you knew I had to say this.
00:30:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
one
00:30:30
RICK JAMES
What you?
00:30:33
Jacob Howard
So the skid steer scene there, um we don't do a lot of subbing, but that wasn't that was a sub skid.
00:30:37
RICK JAMES
Oh.
00:30:41
Jacob Howard
We don't have any that look like that.
00:30:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
I knew it. I knew that as soon as I saw the Taki.
00:30:43
Jacob Howard
We don't have any pushers that look like that. And that was not an ODP machine.
00:30:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:30:48
Jacob Howard
However, right, when when it's under ODP's name and and it's our contract, we treat our subs like, as you saw in the video, anyone that watches, um you know, it's still our responsibility at the end of the day.
00:31:00
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah.
00:31:00
Jacob Howard
So that, you know, we got to make sure that they're there safe and that they're out and they're able to perform. And if not, we would have sent a piece of equipment over there. You know what i mean? But,
00:31:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know how many I was impressed with actually how how you guys handled that, because you know how many guys would have made that worse by just running trucks and equipment into that area and sliding right down the hill after the right into the skid.
00:31:09
RICK JAMES
Shit happens. Shit happens.
00:31:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like you guys took the time to. OK, it's icy. We're on foot. We know it's icy. Don't commit anything. We're going to salt first. We're going to give it time. Like, I thought that was great. ah But, the the you know, there's there is no downside to that because you know if that Taki went off the cliff, it could have rolled 15 times.
00:31:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
And as long as you can get it right side up, it starts right up and runs.
00:31:39
Jacob Howard
yeah
00:31:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like that.
00:31:43
Jacob Howard
As long as the guy's good to go.
00:31:43
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:31:46
Jacob Howard
Yeah. I mean, to to speak to that a little bit and we, we consider ourselves firefighters over here and I know you guys know what we're talking about.
00:31:46
RICK JAMES
you
00:31:57
Jacob Howard
um And like when they got in my truck and I had a hot mic, you know the amount The amount of phone calls that just naturally happen, right? That's my job.
00:32:05
Jacob Howard
And that's just what happens when the snow starts flying. That didn't make it in. I just don't. like Anybody that listens to the podcast and guys that do what we do in our industry, like the reality is...
00:32:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
sure
00:32:17
Jacob Howard
It was a great video, but you can't capture everything and you can't put everything in there.
00:32:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
no
00:32:22
Jacob Howard
And there there was, you know, there was some things that broke and some things that went left and some things that happened that didn't make it. But that's that's the reality. And I think it still did portray that.
00:32:33
Jacob Howard
um between it bouncing between Massachusetts and New Hampshire and going out with all of our different area managers and spending time with them. and They all had a similar equipment malfunction, you know, a problem on a site.
00:32:46
Jacob Howard
But to cover it all, they could have done a whole episode on that on us.
00:32:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's real. That's real.
00:32:47
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:32:50
Jacob Howard
You know what i mean? We're at at this scale, in this capacity, the calls that come in would just would blow somebody's mind that doesn't understand how it goes.
00:32:51
RICK JAMES
Season. Yeah.
00:32:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. It's all scale.
00:32:53
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:32:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's. a
00:33:00
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah.
00:33:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Let's we keep telling everybody that it's, it's all the same circus.
00:33:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
It just may be a different size ring. You know what mean?
00:33:06
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:33:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like it's just scale is the only difference. Everybody deals with the same
Team Dynamics & Professionalism
00:33:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
shit.
00:33:10
Jacob Howard
Exactly.
00:33:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's a,
00:33:12
Jacob Howard
And that's what's cool to to see it um for us. And then I just felt like, you know, some of the guys that didn't make it on there and that that didn't get that the glory. um Now, you guys, obviously, anyone that saw the episode met Nick Claver. We all call him Peanut. He did a great job.
00:33:29
Jacob Howard
I've been here with him for 10 years. His brother is our fleet mechanic. ah Nate Claver. And Nate actually won snow operations manager of the year a couple of years ago at Syma.
00:33:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
00:33:40
Jacob Howard
um He's the real mechanic. He's not out there swinging hammers like me and Ross. um And without Nate behind the scenes, obviously he doesn't, we've gotten so big that he can't actually play a role in active snow events anymore because he's full time in a service truck, putting out fires and keeping us going.
00:33:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:33:59
Jacob Howard
um But just shout out to Nate because without Nate at outdoor pride, You know, there is there is no equipment able to perform and get the work done.
00:34:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:34:08
Jacob Howard
um And then another crew of mine here, New Era Excavation, there they they're their own company, right? But they work for us in the wintertime.
00:34:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's
00:34:17
Jacob Howard
They're not a sub.
00:34:17
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:34:18
Jacob Howard
They're just like a partner and friends. I mean, they run such a well-oiled machine for us in the winter and run our equipment and do such a good job that there are no fires coming from that site.
00:34:31
Jacob Howard
There is no micromanagement needed from that site.
00:34:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
that's great
00:34:33
Jacob Howard
There is no ah you know oversight. So I never made it over there when I had the crew with me and when I had the mic on and and going through my route and kind of traveling through the state of New Hampshire.
00:34:44
Jacob Howard
that Yeah, they gave me some shit that they didn't make the episode, but I wanted to shout them out because they they know what they're doing and they're seasoned professionals at Snow, and without them, we wouldn't have been able to take on the distribution center that they they run.
00:34:50
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:34:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
maybe ah Maybe season two. Maybe season two.
00:35:01
Jacob Howard
you know what, there's security there and you got to do an ID, you got to badge in, there's a guard shack.
00:35:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
We'll make it a point.
00:35:07
Jacob Howard
And I tried to tell him, I'm like, frankly, I don't, we're not going to have the time or go through the paperwork and all the red tape to even get in to the concrete jungle, as we call it.
00:35:18
Jacob Howard
But I had told Mark and Deegan, I'm like, man, it would have been pretty damn cool if we could have got them into the, you know, the DC off exit five. um So yeah, more to come, right?
00:35:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, jet absolutely.
00:35:27
Jacob Howard
More to come.
00:35:28
RICK JAMES
yep
00:35:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
And generally, if you got a badge in and you got that kind of security, ah you got to get approvals before you video anything on that site.
00:35:35
Jacob Howard
and And the same thing you said, Steve, you were like, I would have liked to see more around the airport.
00:35:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah.
00:35:40
Jacob Howard
even Even that first clip where we call him Peanut, but Nick goes in and treats the tarmac with the but the quick cube.
00:35:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:35:50
Jacob Howard
I forget his name, but they were godsend. Shout out to the the couple at Ghost Dog Media. They were so cool.
00:35:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Matt and Matty?
00:35:57
Jacob Howard
Like, we like them. They were just awesome. They were like one of us. They were like an extension of the team the whole time we were here.
00:36:03
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:36:04
Jacob Howard
But he called into the tower and got approval to put his drone up. And like two seconds, but like we only got that one clip. But again, that, you know, there's just a little bit of red tape around the airport where you can and can't and what's allowed and what's not.
00:36:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:36:19
Jacob Howard
So as far as getting them, you know, we have loaders that are staged behind the gates and and just do UPS airport, FedEx, tarmac, whatever. But like, you're not getting those shots because they're their own band out there.
00:36:33
Jacob Howard
They're kind of a one man band and we can't treat out there either.
00:36:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
nope
00:36:36
Jacob Howard
So it's not like we're going out there.
00:36:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:36:39
Jacob Howard
And you've got to have a badge and and all that good stuff.
00:36:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, you got to thank Glacier for ah for breaking in Matt and Maddie from Ghost Dog because they trained them. That was the first event they did. and that They really did. you know That had snow and pushing.
00:36:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
and The Glacier crew broke them in.
00:36:53
Jacob Howard
ah got they got the rick james They got the Rick James treatment to start
00:36:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
So they were ready.
00:36:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
and
00:36:58
Jacob Howard
ah stop normal thing
00:36:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
That was it.
00:37:00
RICK JAMES
and we we broke them in pretty Right, yeah, no, we broke
00:37:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
That was it because though the event before they didn't get snow, right?
00:37:04
Jacob Howard
it day They had told us about that. They were like, yeah, we went somewhere and it didn't snow. And i was like, oh man, that's tough.
00:37:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
It was a lock.
00:37:12
RICK JAMES
What
00:37:18
Jacob Howard
Do they ever?
00:37:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
The weathermen.
00:37:19
Jacob Howard
You know,
00:37:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
The weathermen didn't get it right.
00:37:20
RICK JAMES
would you think... well
00:37:23
Jacob Howard
they ever
00:37:23
RICK JAMES
what would
00:37:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:37:24
Jacob Howard
but
00:37:24
RICK JAMES
what do you think
00:37:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
I don't know. how How did they do for your storm?
00:37:29
Jacob Howard
you know it's hit or miss it's new England.
00:37:33
Jacob Howard
You know, we, we could, we could, it could snow a half mile from here and, you know, and then three miles up the road from there, there'd be no snow. And then, you know, it's, it's new England.
00:37:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, well, that's true.
00:37:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
True.
00:37:46
Jacob Howard
We never know, you know, and it was fun years.
00:37:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is true.
00:37:48
RICK JAMES
I got Yeah.
00:37:49
Jacob Howard
We used to, geez, I remember getting a foot of snow a week.
00:37:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:37:53
Jacob Howard
yeah Those, those days I haven't seen those in years,
00:37:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
All mixed now.
00:37:58
Jacob Howard
but we definitely had a you know, We definitely had a good cold winter, so maybe we're back in track, heading back on the cold road, you know, nice snowy road.
00:38:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Let's hope.
00:38:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:38:08
Jacob Howard
For having a winter out here where we didn't hit certified snow total of 50 inches, there's not a single employee at Outdoor Pride that didn't feel at the end of February that we had an Armageddon-like winter.
00:38:21
Jacob Howard
And I'm speaking for myself, too.
00:38:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:38:22
Jacob Howard
I mean, by the end of February, I was like, can we handle snow in March? Yeah.
00:38:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:38:28
RICK JAMES
For sure.
00:38:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, I mean, it's 28 days long, and I think just us, I think we had 12 or 13 events in February.
00:38:34
Jacob Howard
Yeah. Oh, the back-to-backs is is exactly what I'm alluding to.
00:38:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. It was like every 48 to 72 hours, you were boom, boom, boom.
00:38:40
Jacob Howard
So if something goes down, if you don't get to move something too late, you're into the next one. Like giddy up, like full cowboy for the month of February.
00:38:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yep.
00:38:51
Jacob Howard
get work No downtime, no off time, living on the clock.
00:38:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:38:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:38:57
Jacob Howard
Jeremy, you think I'll be invited to the Arctic party at Syma or what?
00:38:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
What do you got, Jake?
00:39:00
RICK JAMES
I can get you in. Yeah, I don't worry about that.
00:39:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
You're in.
00:39:03
RICK JAMES
Yeah. you
00:39:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Are you going?
00:39:04
Jacob Howard
they were
00:39:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Are you doing anything? Are you doing a panel or anything this year? Presentation?
00:39:08
Jacob Howard
So I'm going. um I usually find out last minute, Steve. I'm going be honest with you. I think Cheryl's talking to Billy. Billy Butts on our end. And and I think something's going on. But I'll have to freestyle it because I'm not proud of you.
00:39:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, we're professionals at freestyling. We're snow guys.
00:39:28
Jacob Howard
Exactly, right?
00:39:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
well and yeah you can say We'll get it done.
00:39:29
Jacob Howard
It comes natural. So we'll wing it and it'll it'll go well, I think.
00:39:34
RICK JAMES
Yeah. I have a question for both of them. What do you think, what would you say the documentary, um what's the best part that you think showed your team between the two of you?
00:39:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
What do you got, Jay?
00:39:48
Jacob Howard
You want to go first, Scott, or you want me to
00:39:48
RICK JAMES
What did it show that you but you thought was a good and part of it?
00:39:55
Jacob Howard
So I stayed late last night talking to Mark and Deegan, you know, and they're obviously the leadership of this organization because I wanted their input and I respect and value their input.
00:39:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Thank you.
00:40:05
Jacob Howard
is If I had to put my finger on one thing that definitely was exemplified throughout the episode is the professionalism, Jeremy. And I think that's cool that we know what our standard operating procedures are. And I know the way that I've just been trained and it's ingrained in me. But if you're not here, you don't know us and and you've never seen it or done it, you don't get it.
00:40:28
Jacob Howard
I truthfully thought from start to finish, our episode definitely showed professionalism in the industry.
00:40:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
100%. Mm-hmm.
00:40:36
Jacob Howard
And being being organized and having a plan, it's like we're not just going out there and and blowing it open and seeing what happens.
00:40:36
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:40:44
Jacob Howard
You know, there's there's site maps, there's training involved, there's equipment allocation involved. There's so much that goes into it on our end that we we're we're thinking snow, we're talking snow, and we're doing snow year round.
00:40:56
Jacob Howard
Um, and like, we're going to Simon a week from now. It's just, it it never ends for us. So for that to be seen on a big stage like that, to be able to show our family that even my kids watching it, um, and my family, I just think it's really cool that they see that there's a lot more to it than, you know, dad plows snow.
00:41:17
Jacob Howard
Um, and the professionalism is what I say would be my takeaway that I was proud of and and had pride in.
00:41:17
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:41:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
100% Absolutely
00:41:24
RICK JAMES
good
00:41:25
Jacob Howard
Yeah. I see the teamwork. shows our teamwork. we're We're a big team. We always make sure we get it done. And, you know, definitely it shows that we're not out just plowing grandma's driveway.
00:41:36
Jacob Howard
You know, we're making it safe for everybody.
00:41:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
like
00:41:38
Jacob Howard
You know, we're we're out at all those retail outlets. We're making it sure that when those people come in in the morning, they can go spend their money and go shopping. You know, that's the key, you know.
00:41:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, you guys did great.
00:41:49
Jacob Howard
And, you know, if I if i can go home knowing that everybody's safe,
00:41:50
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:41:54
Jacob Howard
You know, that that makes me feel good. You know, I've been doing this a long time.
00:41:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:41:57
Jacob Howard
know, I want to go home till till I know everybody's safe.
00:41:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Very cool.
00:42:01
Jacob Howard
You know, get nervous.
00:42:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Amen.
00:42:03
Jacob Howard
I'm afraid of that. Afraid of that freeze.
00:42:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
I hear you.
00:42:05
Jacob Howard
That phone call.
00:42:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
I hear you. Yep.
00:42:07
Jacob Howard
Yeah, that phone call. We take pride in what we do. And to be able to show that at that type of a scale and on this magnitude, it's like we we we genuinely give a fuck.
00:42:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:42:17
Jacob Howard
And I think it showed that.
00:42:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:18
RICK JAMES
Yep, 100%. Yep.
00:42:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's a great slogan for the side of the trucks. We generally give a fuck. Genuinely give a fuck.
00:42:26
Jacob Howard
yeah
00:42:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah New marketing campaign. We genuinely give a fuck. I love it.
00:42:32
Jacob Howard
thought you I thought you switched my word, Steve. I thought you said, i generally give a fuck.
00:42:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
no No, genuinely.
00:42:39
Jacob Howard
Because that's a lot different.
00:42:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh,
00:42:41
Jacob Howard
That's a lot of like this. Genuinely.
00:42:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
and man. Either way, it works. Honestly.
00:42:46
Jacob Howard
Yeah. Yeah, sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.
00:42:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:42:51
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:42:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
but but
00:42:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah You guys were great. It looked great. The episode was, I thought it was great. um I got to watch the last 10 minutes. Again, i had to kind of to skim through that. ran out of time.
00:43:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah But the the um the music for your episode was by far my favorite so far.
00:43:10
Jacob Howard
Stevie Nicks.
00:43:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, I love that. Like, that's what i that's what I wanted. I wanted, like, you know, old school rock and roll, you know, stuff like that. Get you pumped up. what I was into that.
00:43:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, I watched the first 25 minutes. I'm like, whoa, all right. Now we're talking. Like, know, there's no jingles and stuff. And it was just good it was just good music.
00:43:31
Jacob Howard
You needed some heavier stuff, though. You needed some heavier music, like when some of the heavier stuff was going on, like when they were pulling them out. You know, get some...
00:43:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:43:39
Jacob Howard
It's a rage music going, you know, Scotty didn't hear the songs that he plows in a load or two.
00:43:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:43:42
RICK JAMES
so read
00:43:45
Jacob Howard
So he wasn't happy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:48
RICK JAMES
Copyright.
00:43:49
Jacob Howard
He's like, where's the songs that keep me up plowing all night yeah for hours on end.
00:43:49
RICK JAMES
Copyright.
00:43:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. What else you got, Jeremy?
00:43:56
RICK JAMES
you guys could show look If you could show one clip to someone somebody outside the industry from your documentary, which clip would you show them about you guys, do you think?
00:44:08
Jacob Howard
Sleep. And lack of it.
00:44:12
RICK JAMES
Sleep and lock up.
00:44:13
Jacob Howard
You know, sleep when you can on the grind.
00:44:14
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:44:16
Jacob Howard
Yeah, that's ah that's a that's a heavy hitting question, Jeremy. It's a good question because it's hard to pick, right?
00:44:20
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:44:23
Jacob Howard
I mean, i would want somebody outside the industry.
00:44:24
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:44:27
Jacob Howard
i would say, hey, it might you know it might be a little slow to you at times. It might be a little boring to you at times, but watch the whole thing. Because then you don't get the whole picture.
00:44:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:44:34
Jacob Howard
you know
00:44:35
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:44:35
Jacob Howard
I mean, yeah, it's great to have all these reels now and these and these quick clips. um
00:44:40
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:44:41
Jacob Howard
But I just think to paint the whole picture, to see it all, or you don't understand it. you know It's from the start where they they got us pre-treating and going out 24 hours before we were even expecting snowfall.
00:44:55
Jacob Howard
um to truck brushing the morning after, hauling, dumping decks.
00:44:56
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:45:02
Jacob Howard
You know, that was all post-storm stuff that they got. So it just kind of shows. It's like, yeah, you went to sleep on Sunday night and woke up Monday morning and everything was done. We've been out since Saturday, and we're still doing billable snow work Wednesday, Thursday, and they stay right out there with us, and we're around the clock.
00:45:21
Jacob Howard
24-7, seven days a week operation. There are no Sundays off. There are no Saturdays off. You know what I mean? we're We're like hospitals, firefighters, you name it.
00:45:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:45:31
Jacob Howard
and firefighter is a term I use because that's what we consider ourselves on the operations manager side. When shit breaks, when something goes down, tire comes off a truck, a plow comes off a truck, we might as well be like recon tow guys. You got to whatever you got to do.
00:45:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. Yeah, that was...
00:45:51
RICK JAMES
A follow-up that and would be, what would you what would you hope people take away from this documentary of the of you guys?
Challenges in the Snow Industry
00:46:00
Jacob Howard
it's a hard job. You know, it's, it takes a lot to, lot of pieces to make it, to make it work. You know, like I said, people think that, ah you know, when they go home at night and we're going to get some snow that they, they think, you know, they're just going to get up in the morning and don't know, maybe you have to send the kid to school late, but you know, they don't realize, you know, the state's been out, the towns have been out, all the commercial plow people have been out.
00:46:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. A lot of pieces.
00:46:08
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:46:26
Jacob Howard
You know, we've been out all night trying to make it happen.
00:46:27
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:46:29
Jacob Howard
So,
00:46:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, sir.
00:46:29
Jacob Howard
Everybody can get up in the morning and see that black pavement. Jeremy, to answer your question, what would I want people to take away from our episode more than anything? And it's always been this for me.
00:46:41
Jacob Howard
Respect the blood, sweat, and tears that goes into it. The time we miss with our families, our kids, stuff you can't get back, right? You can't get time back. The sleep deprivation.
00:46:53
Jacob Howard
If you know, you know. i mean, there's no monetary value that you can put on what a winner takes out of you sometimes and what it takes to be successful And if you don't, if if you haven't been in it and you haven't experienced the stress, the anxiety, um and and the sleep deprivation, that's what I think people would really respect and have admiration for if they understood it or lived it.
00:47:20
Jacob Howard
um Because the stuff that we miss, and I'm, ah yeah, I'm basically talking family, right? Kids and family. It's, you either can do it or you don't.
00:47:28
RICK JAMES
yep
00:47:30
Jacob Howard
Not everybody's cut out for it. And we know that.
00:47:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep, 100%.
00:47:33
RICK JAMES
ye
00:47:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
And just the physical toll it takes on your health.
00:47:37
Jacob Howard
Mentally involved.
00:47:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Doing a hard winter your and your physical health. How many guys put on weight over the winter because they're eating at 4 in the morning, like 15 nights a month?
00:47:45
Jacob Howard
yeah who And we're eating crap too.
00:47:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know it's like it And we're eating crap because it's the only shit open.
00:47:50
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:47:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know You're stopping at a convenience store and getting a burrito.
00:47:51
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:47:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:47:54
Jacob Howard
Gas stations and McDonald's. You got to stay. I mean, if it takes monsters and Red Bulls and coffees to just stay on the grind. yeah It takes a lot of things to stay on the grind.
00:48:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:48:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:48:05
Jacob Howard
You always say you're going to bring food from home, and that's gone in an hour.
00:48:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
it's It's very, very tough.
00:48:10
Jacob Howard
So, you know.
00:48:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. 100%. But yeah, the toll it can take on you physically, like you said, mentally, emotionally, absolutely. But the toll it can take on you physically over the course of a winter with that interrupted sleep cycle.
00:48:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like you do not get to decompress at all in until it's over.
00:48:25
Jacob Howard
Nope. Oh, we do, me and a couple of my guys here, we do huge like detox fasts in the spring when we know we're going to start spring cleanups.
00:48:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yep.
00:48:34
Jacob Howard
It's become part of our routine just to try to to to to clear our bodies. I mean, we're doing like a 78, 80 hour fast um when winter ends because of the shit that we've, you know, we know we're coming out of winter.
00:48:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:48:47
Jacob Howard
We're not, we're not in our healthiest state and we're about to go back into the green season and and something needs to be fixed.
00:48:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
help
00:48:50
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:48:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I need to drop my triglycerides of cholesterol by about 150 points. So it's time the time to do that. It's it's true, though.
00:49:02
Jacob Howard
yeah
00:49:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
But like i think that I think you hit the nail on the head, Jake. like That's the part that the general public, if they haven't done it and they don't know what they're watching, they don't know what it takes out of everybody out there on that video.
00:49:13
Jacob Howard
They don't get it.
00:49:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Everybody, they don't get it.
00:49:14
Jacob Howard
And that's, that's the unfortunate part is just, and I don't blame anyone because if you haven't experienced it, there's no way you could get it.
00:49:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
like
00:49:24
Jacob Howard
Cause you go to sleep when it snows or you go skiing or snowboarding or snowmobiling, like people in our industry, know,
00:49:24
RICK JAMES
Okay.
00:49:31
Jacob Howard
That's just not a reality. Like I don't, you know, you don't have experiences building a snowman with your kid or a snowball fight or a snow angel. It's like snow it is not that type of a thought for us.
00:49:43
Jacob Howard
You know, we don't have those memories or experiences when it comes to snow.
00:49:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
hundred percent
00:49:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
hundred percent And that's one of the biggest reasons we wanted to do this, you know, show everybody what, what goes into it, what, but you know, and more importantly, who the people are that are doing this. Like the snow industry has so many cool, cool people, like really good dudes.
00:50:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
We've had the pleasure to meet a lot of them, but like every time we see an episode, you meet another super cool person, you know, like Scott, I was laughing my ass off at Scott.
00:50:09
Jacob Howard
Right.
00:50:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, I like, that is my kind of guy, you know, like that's how he was talking and stuff.
00:50:14
Jacob Howard
but
00:50:14
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah.
00:50:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know, just how he opened up. I'm like that, that guy gets it. He's been doing this a long time. He knows the drill.
00:50:21
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:50:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like it was, it's great to, to get those kinds of people on camera, get them to do, you know, and, and, and the people that aren't on the video,
00:50:27
Jacob Howard
Right.
00:50:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
it doesn't you know It doesn't take anything away from them. they're They're just being represented by whoever gets on camera because we're all doing the same freaking shit. And it sucks.
00:50:40
Jacob Howard
Exactly.
00:50:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
It sucks equally for all of us. Maybe a little more for the shovelers, but it it sucks equally for all of us.
00:50:45
Jacob Howard
that
00:50:46
RICK JAMES
Yeah. you know
00:50:48
Jacob Howard
Yeah. I think that's the coolest part about Syma. And Jeremy was saying it, but Everybody you talk to there gets it. You don't have to explain it.
00:50:59
Jacob Howard
You don't have to go through it. It's like you're talking to like-minded individuals. You're surrounded by like-minded individuals. And you know you might have not been able to meet them all, but you know who's who and what's what. And that's the best experience of it for me over the last couple of years is being able to you know find your people, find your community where everyone else lives it too.
00:51:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
hundred percent
00:51:20
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:51:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
um number cent
00:51:22
Jacob Howard
And that's why, i mean, thank you to you guys for doing it and and starting this podcast. I mean, when Mikey first started telling me about this and, you know, he's almost become a co-host.
00:51:33
Jacob Howard
He's on here so often. But it's like, I was like, I was like, Scotty, ah Mikey, you called the right guy.
00:51:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
is
00:51:35
RICK JAMES
yeah you know
00:51:39
Jacob Howard
Like, you know, I eat, sleep and breathe snow and I live for this. So you're telling me there's this snow jobs podcast and this storm chasers thing.
00:51:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
ye
00:51:49
Jacob Howard
I mean, that's all it took for me to get gassed up and all about it. Right.
00:51:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, it's awesome.
00:51:52
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
00:51:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's great to to be able to have like, like we hear that all the time. Like, oh, you know, this is a great outlet. Like this is finally, you know, something that's talking about what we know and what we do and talking about it real.
00:52:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're not talking about in a corporate boardroom. We're not sugarcoating anything.
00:52:09
Jacob Howard
right
00:52:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
If stuff is shit, it's shit. You know, if stuff is fucked up, it's fucked up and we're going to call it that way. and And everybody that comes on is doing the same thing. it's It's real. It's real snow guys. And it's been absolutely awesome for two and a half years of meeting everybody out there.
00:52:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
There's some super, just the best people, some of the best people I've met in my life ah in the last two and a half years.
00:52:32
Jacob Howard
Right.
00:52:33
RICK JAMES
Yeah. 100%.
00:52:35
Jacob Howard
Hell yeah.
00:52:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's great. It's absolutely great. But let me ask you a question specifically, specifically to Scott. What did anything about being on video and having a mic on you make your job harder?
00:52:48
Jacob Howard
No, no, not at all. Because, uh, he was asking me some questions and, you know, I thought it was pretty cool that he was interested in what I was doing.
00:52:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Perfect.
00:52:57
Jacob Howard
You know, uh, Yeah, I had no problem. I was like, this is going to be fun, something different.
00:53:01
RICK JAMES
Oh,
00:53:02
Jacob Howard
you know i mean Let me clear the front seat out for you. you know what Yeah, I was all for it.
00:53:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah yeah
00:53:09
Jacob Howard
I thought i was looking forward to it. you know
00:53:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is so funny you just said that.
00:53:12
Jacob Howard
So Mike, yeah.
00:53:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's another thing that just resonated big with me. Like, there is no room.
00:53:17
RICK JAMES
yeah.
00:53:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
You want to get in my truck during a storm, get in the back.
00:53:20
RICK JAMES
I got to throw everything on the back.
00:53:21
Jacob Howard
Yeah, I'll make some room for you. you know
00:53:23
RICK JAMES
Yep, yep.
00:53:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah oh
00:53:24
Jacob Howard
I said told him to buckle up. and um and I'm like, hey, you go right around and you Whatever you want to ask me, go ahead and ask me, you know.
00:53:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
And what is what is up with that parking lot that it freezes at 38 degrees?
00:53:35
Jacob Howard
ah You know, it's the ground it's just the ground temps over there or something.
00:53:36
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:53:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Is it shaded?
00:53:39
Jacob Howard
i don't It's new asphalt, Steve.
00:53:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:53:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
was going to say...
00:53:42
Jacob Howard
So it's... It's not that new. It's couple years old. Yeah, but it's just the way that they graded it and paved it, it's not porous. It's really clean, thick asphalt, and there's not a lot of...
00:53:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
00:53:55
Jacob Howard
Like, there's no cracks in it. There's no holes in it.
00:53:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:53:58
Jacob Howard
There's nowhere for water to escape, so it sits.
00:54:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, so it's basically like sealed?
00:54:01
Jacob Howard
And... It's, yeah, it's it's been like that ever since they redid it.
00:54:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. Gotcha.
00:54:07
Jacob Howard
It's a really big site. We could throw ah almost throw a football there from our office where we are now. um So the site's really close, so it's a good one to test.
00:54:12
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:54:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:54:15
Jacob Howard
It's a good one to prove you. Yeah, if that one's going to start cheating over, you you know it's coming, you know.
00:54:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Everybody's got that site. Everybody. That's another thing.
00:54:22
Jacob Howard
yeah
00:54:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Everybody has in common. Everybody has that one site that you gauge everything else you're doing off of like
00:54:29
Jacob Howard
Yeah, and they're picky over there too. They're real picky. So, you know, that's they they see us they see us in there all the time.
00:54:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
shocking.
00:54:37
Jacob Howard
You want to talk about zero tolerance policy. Oh, yeah, there's no snow allowed there. You want to talk about an anal client. We're not naming names, but that's everybody that works at Outdoor Pride knows that client.
00:54:48
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:54:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh,
00:54:51
Jacob Howard
We've all been there. lot of meetings, lot of meetings. Yeah, yeah.
00:54:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh my God.
00:54:55
Jacob Howard
And then there's the property up. At the north, ah right at the, you know, before you get up to the toll booth and hook set.
00:54:59
RICK JAMES
What
00:55:01
Jacob Howard
And that's another one. It's got that new asphalt. Elevation there. The elevation is there. That place might as well be built on a mountain. If, you know, we could get three inches here and they'll get six there, you know, and it's it's not even 10 minutes from here.
00:55:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, Jesus.
00:55:16
Jacob Howard
Yeah, I did a whole clip with them on that site too. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you were banging the hammer. i No, that was Amazon. that was the other one? That was Amazon. Okay. That's where i cut my hand open.
00:55:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:55:28
RICK JAMES
what
00:55:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
00:55:29
RICK JAMES
What's something the cameras didn't catch that you wish they would have caught and put in the show?
00:55:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
What else you got, Jay?
00:55:35
Jacob Howard
um Well, to I just wanted to say one thing to Steve. Your question to Scott, the only time where it was tough for me I had the the hot mic on and I had her in my passenger seat, but I'm getting live time calls to go like report to an issue or like report to like, hey, we need you for something.
00:55:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
00:55:58
Jacob Howard
I don't like blindsiding people. It's not like my management style. So it's like, dude, I'm like literally pulling up to a problem and they're just watching someone else get out of my truck with like a camera walking up to them for me to like look at their pusher.
00:56:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:56:12
Jacob Howard
Dude, that was weird.
00:56:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:56:13
Jacob Howard
That was weird. So like i was I literally said to her a couple times, I'm like, hey, before we pull in here, I'm going to send a text. Or I'm going to call them, but like you don't need to record me calling them saying, hey, I'm coming. But like just so you don't have a microphone on, just so you know like somebody's got a camera on me.
00:56:30
Jacob Howard
I don't know. it's just not my style. I didn't want to blindside certain – know my operators. I know my people, and I know who's who and and if they'd be like cool and comfortable with it or not.
00:56:34
RICK JAMES
Well.
00:56:38
Jacob Howard
I mean not everybody wants a camera in the cab of their loader. So that was the only weird part for me is like, I just didn't want to blindside certain guys.
00:56:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:56:48
Jacob Howard
You know, some of my old school vets that are in loaders, that's, you know, my dad's age. And I'm like, dude, I'm not about to like roll up on him with a camera crew.
00:56:57
RICK JAMES
Of
00:56:59
Jacob Howard
And then, no, you go ahead.
00:56:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
The biggest... Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just gonna say the biggest problem I would have thought for, like, I know for me, if I was mic'd up would be when I get a phone call, not being able to tell my guys quick enough if they didn't know, Hey, I'm mic'd up. They're hearing your conversation, like everything you're saying. Cause my guys usually start off with some colorful language.
00:57:18
Jacob Howard
and four
00:57:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, you know
00:57:19
Jacob Howard
ah yeah
00:57:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
that so
00:57:21
Jacob Howard
I guess that that was jim that was Jeremy's question to me, right?
00:57:21
RICK JAMES
course, we all do.
00:57:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
know, what's up?
00:57:25
Jacob Howard
Was what is some stuff they didn't get that you wish they got?
00:57:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:57:29
Jacob Howard
I mean, they got a lot that didn't make the cut, right? It didn't make the episode. And a lot of that was probably exactly what you're talking to.
00:57:40
Jacob Howard
I know how long she was with me. And I know how many phone calls I took while she was with me that got caught.
00:57:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:57:49
Jacob Howard
and I know some like, I'll call it minor damages, minor tweaks that, that may have happened along the way that they caught on my end and the loader end.
00:58:00
Jacob Howard
Like somebody like had a camera in the loader and I get those calls like like first, um, if they bump something, if they take out a ball you guys all know, it's like, they didn't get some of that stuff.
00:58:05
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
00:58:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:58:12
Jacob Howard
Um, um, But everyone knows that's just what what comes with a storm.
00:58:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:58:18
Jacob Howard
And then, like I said earlier, I just think they got so much that I don't think there was any way that they could have – cat like It couldn't all fit in in a 50-minute episode, which is crazy, right?
00:58:30
Jacob Howard
But I just know how much material that they had.
00:58:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:58:33
Jacob Howard
And I know all the teasers showed stuff that we didn't even see last night. I mean, there were so many clips in the teasers that I was like, I can't wait to see more of that. um Speaking of that...
00:58:44
Jacob Howard
Paul Fernie loader operator of ours for a very long time, runs the truck brush and was in one of the teaser clips and had an extremely funny little teaser clip that sure you guys saw that didn't make the episode, but I texted Steve Smythe just to make sure that there was the, in memory RIP at the end.
00:58:54
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:58:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:59:04
Jacob Howard
He passed in March. Um, um, and And he's an older guy, and he's been with us plowing as a seasonal operator for a really long time.
00:59:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah Absolutely.
00:59:12
Jacob Howard
And, you know, everybody that does snow around here knew Paul. So that was the least we could do is is throw that in at the end of the video. Us older guys.
00:59:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:59:20
Jacob Howard
Just that older guy thing again.
00:59:22
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:59:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Yes. Yeah.
00:59:24
RICK JAMES
It's called a veteran.
00:59:25
Jacob Howard
Older guys.
00:59:25
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:59:27
Jacob Howard
Yeah. You be old sometime there, buddy.
00:59:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well,
00:59:29
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:59:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
we're We're there. We're we're there. oh man. Yeah. that it's But you know what? I don't even want to start that that conversation. We could go down a big rabbit hole the with the older versus younger guys, like what they what their expectations are, what their work expectations are.
00:59:44
Jacob Howard
Oh, yeah.
00:59:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, I have been out for eight hours. Yeah, well, it's snowing for 14 hours. What do you mean you've been out for eight hours?
00:59:53
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
00:59:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, yeah we go home when it's done.
00:59:54
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:59:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
like It's not eight hours.
00:59:56
RICK JAMES
It was done.
00:59:56
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:56
Jacob Howard
Eight hours.
00:59:57
Jacob Howard
What's that? That's nothing.
00:59:59
RICK JAMES
It's not even like a 15 minute lunch break.
00:59:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
What? Yeah, what are you working at, McDonald's?
01:00:01
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:00:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nine to five? Come
01:00:03
Jacob Howard
That's the pre-treat. That's the pre-storm shift. That's your normal shift.
01:00:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
on.
01:00:07
Jacob Howard
That's the pre-storm shift.
01:00:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
01:00:08
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:00:10
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:00:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is it.
01:00:10
Jacob Howard
Take your appetizer. and Go home get a little rest and you come back and pull a 20.
01:00:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
We can do all...
01:00:14
Jacob Howard
Oh, yeah.
01:00:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
We could do a whole episode on that alone.
01:00:16
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:00:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
but it Not all the young guys, but it seems like the younger or the older I get and and that generation gets, the there's less younger guys that have the same, like, we're going to go for 40, 60 hours.
01:00:18
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:00:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
like It just seems like a it's like a dying thing almost where there's some young guys out there that do it and do it well and are killing it.
01:00:36
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah.
01:00:36
Jacob Howard
Yeah, didn't.
01:00:36
RICK JAMES
get the sound.
01:00:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
But it seems like they're the exceptions now and not the norm maybe.
01:00:41
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
01:00:45
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:00:45
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:00:46
Jacob Howard
The few and far between, it's it's definitely the exception, Steve.
01:00:46
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:00:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:00:49
Jacob Howard
You're hitting the nail on the head from from my end of things. like the At the volume that I hire and fire and staff, I can speak to the fact that it i people just don't – they can't even wrap their head around the expectation or what like we're actually asking without asking. It's just like, well, it's still snowing, right?
01:01:13
Jacob Howard
So, like, what are you what are you trying to ask me? Like, do you want to go home? Like, I'm confused.
01:01:17
RICK JAMES
and sorry
01:01:18
Jacob Howard
Like, yeah my what's what do you mean?
01:01:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:01:18
RICK JAMES
Is that
01:01:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:01:20
Jacob Howard
Like, this is the this is like the big league.
01:01:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Yeah.
01:01:23
Jacob Howard
Like, this is what we do.
01:01:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah You're a snow dude.
01:01:25
Jacob Howard
And if you can't do it, then, like, it's not really going to work out. Like, there isn't a next storm if that's what's going on.
01:01:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:01:32
RICK JAMES
that conversation with guys.
01:01:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, God. Sure.
01:01:34
RICK JAMES
I'm like, well, all right, if you want to go, go, but you you're not made for this.
01:01:39
Jacob Howard
A lot
Work Ethics & Teamwork
01:01:40
RICK JAMES
So.
01:01:40
Jacob Howard
of uncomfortable conversations, right?
01:01:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
but
01:01:41
Jacob Howard
You have to get comfortable having uncomfortable conversations. I tell my guys that all the time. Like you have to grow through these conversations because you don't look forward to them.
01:01:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:01:51
Jacob Howard
They're not easy, but they have to be had or we're not going to be successful next storm, right?
01:01:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:01:56
Jacob Howard
Like let's let's be transparent. Let's be open and honest because if you can't do it, you can't do it. But they got to know that this is exactly what we need. And this is what we're looking for.
01:02:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:02:06
RICK JAMES
Yep. Yep.
01:02:07
Jacob Howard
And nobody's going home. This is the one team. Like, if if you finish your site, great. But I know a site that needs you. And we're moving the pieces all over the chessboard around states, divisions.
01:02:15
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:02:20
Jacob Howard
You know, Scotty might, you know, crush his whole route and tell me that the airport looks good. And I'm like, I need you to get up to Concord in 20 minutes. It's a 40-minute drive and it's snowing. I'm like, put your cowboy hat on, Scott.
01:02:34
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:02:35
Jacob Howard
Hey, someone's willing to pay the ticket.
01:02:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh Yeah.
01:02:39
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:02:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah And sometimes what sometimes it's as easy as having the conversation. Like it's 50 50 where if the guy's not working out or he's like, yeah, I think I want to go home. Wait a minute. Why do you want to go home? Well, because I already did eight hours.
01:02:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Is that all you expect to work? Because we work we like we'll do 16, 20, 24, 30, 36, whatever it takes. Sometimes they just don't know any different. Because of school and their parents, however they've been raised or whatever work experience they may have had to this point.
01:03:00
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:03:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sometimes they just don't get the the difference in in this job. And if you explain it to him like, no, no, no, we just go until it's over and we're cleaned up and we're done.
01:03:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
And then we go some more the next day.
01:03:17
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:03:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
And some of them are like, oh, no shit. Like I can i could get paid for 24 hours right now if I want to.
01:03:25
Jacob Howard
Right, right.
01:03:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Yeah, you can.
01:03:26
Jacob Howard
or they
01:03:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, okay, great.
01:03:26
Jacob Howard
i And then they realize that they can get OT. 90% of the time, too, I think they just need to – like, you can tell, like, no, you can take a break.
01:03:35
Jacob Howard
Like, yes, you're right.
01:03:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:03:35
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:03:36
Jacob Howard
You worked eight hours. Here's the deal. Go park the truck in the yard or stop at McDonald's. get Go to mobile. Get yourself a coffee.
01:03:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
01:03:44
Jacob Howard
Go to the bathroom. Take 20 minutes. But we're we're not going home. Once that reality kind of sets in and you you don't forget to tell them to take breaks –
01:03:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:03:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:03:54
Jacob Howard
You can keep guys a lot longer.
01:03:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. 100%. 100%. man. hundred percent oh man
01:04:00
RICK JAMES
I think Matt and Manny might have done a disservice to most people by ah them worrying about if they're going to offend them. Because all I have to say is we worked with the Glacier crew. You can't offend us.
01:04:11
RICK JAMES
ah They worked with my guys.
01:04:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:04:15
RICK JAMES
My guys broke them in so hard.
01:04:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:04:18
RICK JAMES
The stuff that they went through here.
01:04:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
There's nothing you could say to them that they would be shocked by.
01:04:20
RICK JAMES
Nothing you say is going to offend them. You can't yeah
01:04:23
Jacob Howard
There's no human resource department in your company?
01:04:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
not so North Dakota does not have HR.
01:04:26
RICK JAMES
That would be me.
01:04:27
Jacob Howard
and
01:04:29
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:04:29
Jacob Howard
the you Yeah, you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, you know.
01:04:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's still the frontier. that the wild Oh, I know.
01:04:34
RICK JAMES
It's so impressive.
01:04:37
Jacob Howard
Me and Saudi might get ostracized to North Dakota soon, it sounds like.
01:04:37
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:04:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're.
01:04:42
RICK JAMES
Yeah. ah we
01:04:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're, yeah, we live in a different world in the Northeast.
01:04:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's ah some of the things out in the Midwest is great. Like, well, I'm talking about the real Midwest, like, you know North Dakota is Montana. You know some stuff stole ah still is allowed there.
01:04:55
RICK JAMES
You've heard it all, Steve. You've been on our calls. You know nothing's off limits.
01:04:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, God.
Workplace Culture & Camaraderie
01:05:00
RICK JAMES
Real world
01:05:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, um i sometimes I cringe. Like, I'm ooh, God, that would get me 60 days unpaid vacation. oh And that's just a Tuesday for that's just a tuesday in Fargo.
01:05:07
RICK JAMES
stuff. Yeah.
01:05:09
Jacob Howard
yeah yes you yeah yeah You can't say that.
01:05:14
RICK JAMES
Yeah. world real world
01:05:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:05:15
Jacob Howard
Now I know why they call him Rick James, man.
01:05:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:05:18
Jacob Howard
It's all coming together. It's all coming together there for me.
01:05:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh oh god
01:05:25
RICK JAMES
not having fun.
01:05:25
Jacob Howard
My type of guy. My type of guy. Right up there with P-Bitty, huh?
01:05:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh yeah
01:05:30
RICK JAMES
You gotta have thick skin.
01:05:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh the
01:05:30
Jacob Howard
P-Bitty.
01:05:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah but
01:05:34
RICK JAMES
We're not making fun of you.
01:05:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:05:36
RICK JAMES
We must not like you.
01:05:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
ye Absolutely. Oh, that's, and that's, that's, that's one of the the biggest things I tell the kids that work, you know, the younger guys that come to work for us, like do not get upset or butt hurt or feel like you're being picked on. If guys are breaking your balls and having a laugh, if they're not talking to you at all, that's when you worry.
01:05:58
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:05:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
If they're breaking your balls, like my guys are all firemen there.
01:05:59
Jacob Howard
i
01:06:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's how we talk to each other That's how we show love. So I tell it,
01:06:05
Jacob Howard
Right. It's locker room talk. It's barbershop talk.
01:06:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly. Exactly.
01:06:08
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:08
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:06:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, be afraid when they're when nobody's saying anything to you because then that means that you're not worth their time.
01:06:15
Jacob Howard
and
01:06:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
If they're taking time to break your balls about your cowboy hat that you're wearing in a snowstorm or that you came to work in Adidas tennis shoes and we got to get you a pair of boots, that that's okay.
01:06:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
That means they like you. They're going to spend the time to make sure you you learn what to do and all that stuff.
01:06:30
Jacob Howard
If you get a nickname for him, you could call him Adidas. That's his fucking label.
01:06:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
100%. 100%. hundred bristen
01:06:34
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:35
Jacob Howard
Listen, if you don't have a nickname over here, you're in trouble.
01:06:35
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:38
Jacob Howard
Yeah, yeah, there's something wrong.
01:06:39
RICK JAMES
yeah I love it. I love it.
01:06:42
Jacob Howard
I mean, and and honestly, if you show up to work in Adidas, you're not at a good snow company if you don't hear about it.
01:06:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's
01:06:43
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:06:48
Jacob Howard
Let's be honest.
01:06:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
it. That's it. 100%. 100%, man.
01:06:49
Jacob Howard
with
01:06:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
It
01:06:50
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
hundred percent man
01:06:52
Jacob Howard
I think it's all about the camaraderie and the culture. Like even last night watching this episode premiere, Mikey's got a long drive.
01:06:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
it is
01:07:01
Jacob Howard
Mikey came up. Kevin came up. Right. And there was a point in time where me, Mikey and Kevin all work together here in the one yard, like the small operation. Right.
01:07:12
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
01:07:12
Jacob Howard
So we're talking over the course of 10 years, everything that has blown up with outdoor pride.
01:07:18
Jacob Howard
And I shoveled when Scotty was a loader operator when I started at this company. So we've done this for 10 years together, back to back to back, whether I was the truck on the route and he was the loader, I was the shoveler on the route, he was the loader.
01:07:32
Jacob Howard
And, you know, right along. So the camaraderie that you build with these guys, That's the coolest part, to watch this thing with those guys that are still here, that we've all done it together for so long because so many people come and go.
01:07:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:07:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:07:46
Jacob Howard
So many people are coming and go.
01:07:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
When you have a nice core that's together. Yeah.
01:07:49
RICK JAMES
you know
01:07:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
When you have a good core that's together for a long time, that's family.
01:07:50
RICK JAMES
It's short. It's short.
01:07:53
Jacob Howard
Exactly.
01:07:53
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:54
Jacob Howard
ah That's why I i shouted out you know Nate Claver because there's a core group of us that are still here, and you put it best.
01:07:55
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:07:55
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:08:01
Jacob Howard
It is family, right? like I spend more time with these guys than I do my family, so it certainly feels that way.
01:08:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:08:07
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:08:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
And there's not a lot of people you, you get close with them because you're going through the same shit.
01:08:13
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:08:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like the, the same crap that, that I'm experiencing during a storm that's pissing me off is what is pissing him off until he starts laughing about it.
01:08:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
And now we have a story that we're going to tell, you know, for the next 20, 30 years. It's that's why you get, I think you get so close in snow. I really do.
01:08:29
Jacob Howard
Yeah, the the memories and the hours put in, it's like nobody else can understand the agony of it and the pain through comedy and humor than the guys that are together that have to embrace the suck, right?
01:08:36
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:08:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:08:43
Jacob Howard
It's like, hey...
01:08:43
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:08:45
Jacob Howard
Yeah, we can be negative, but at the end of the day, it has to get done. So let's stay solution based and let's figure out how we're going to win and how we're going to put a bow on this thing together. And you can't like make up those memories. You can't recreate those memories and those experiences.
01:09:00
RICK JAMES
no
01:09:00
Jacob Howard
So these guys are like family, you know.
01:09:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Dude, it's as simple as guys. Like there may have been like a couple guys that actually gambled during a storm by basing. They, you, you know, you guys, I'm sure you guys have sites that you're on for a long time and you know, the routines of certain people on those sites.
01:09:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
So like we do an HOA where we know this one at the time, 84 year old woman, She brings her trash out promptly 8 a.m. m every day.
01:09:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
And the guys would bet during snowstorms whether or not she was going to come out between 8 8.15. And there'd be a lot you there' be money riding on it. And sure enough, it didn't matter if there was a foot of snow and it's still coming down three inches an hour.
01:09:40
Jacob Howard
Oh, really?
01:09:41
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:09:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
That lady is taking her trash to the dumpster. at promptly between 8 and 8.15 a.m. every morning. That is what she's doing.
01:09:53
Jacob Howard
It's wild. There's probably big wagers on it, huh?
01:09:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. You know, that's the kind of shit that gets you through the night.
01:09:58
RICK JAMES
That's new, guys. That's new, guys. Yep.
01:10:01
Jacob Howard
Yeah. It's like, yeah, we'll say, hey, did you get that call from that customer that today?
01:10:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know?
01:10:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
01:10:06
Jacob Howard
No, not.
01:10:06
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:10:07
Jacob Howard
Oh, the phone's ringing. Oh, here he is.
01:10:09
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:10:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
01:10:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:10:11
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:10:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:10:12
Jacob Howard
You always have a call.
01:10:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
ye
01:10:12
Jacob Howard
You have those cringe customers, you know?
01:10:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
hundred percent That's the kind of stuff that that bonds you together and makes you want to keep coming back because there are nights it just totally sucks. You guys know. We all know.
01:10:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
just
01:10:25
Jacob Howard
Oh, yeah
01:10:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
There's nights you're just like, what the fuck am I doing this for? like I don't need to be doing this. i you know I don't even want to be doing this right now, but ah guess what? I'm going to get some food in me. I'm going to get 10 hours sleep, and tomorrow night if it snows, I'm go be excited about it.
01:10:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
like go right back on the fucking door yeah that's it i'm good i am i dude i am good for about the first eight to ten and then after that i'm like if i don't take a break if i don't force myself to sit still for a half hour just kind of take a breath and then get back at it i get a little grouchy like i'll get a little pissy
01:10:43
Jacob Howard
yeah. At least for the first hour. Yeah. call to You're preaching to the gospel over here, man. Yeah.
01:11:05
Jacob Howard
Yeah. yeah you Yeah. yeah
01:11:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
but But I know where my limit is. like yeah And that's usually about the stuff, about the time guys start jumping curbs and you know taking garbage cans out and shit.
01:11:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
that That's usually those phone calls come about that time.
01:11:20
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:11:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, oh, Christ.
01:11:22
Jacob Howard
yeah Blue piston. You're like, oh, here we go.
01:11:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah I didn't blow any pistons on my Artics this year. No blown pistons on the Artics.
01:11:29
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:11:29
RICK JAMES
but
01:11:31
Jacob Howard
We didn't blow any pistons on our special metal buses either.
01:11:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
but but
01:11:36
Jacob Howard
there was no There's no pistons on them.
01:11:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, that's what I'm saying.
01:11:39
RICK JAMES
exactly
01:11:40
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:11:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly.
01:11:42
Jacob Howard
The live box. I love the live box. That's what nobody knows. Nobody knows this is low-key just an Arctic vs. Metal Plus episode.
01:11:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
and Everybody knows it.
01:11:50
RICK JAMES
yeah here it is
01:11:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
um have They listen to the show. um Actually, a serious question, though. You guys run the live boxes, and if I'm not mistaken, you guys switched over the shoes to the winter equipment ones last year?
01:12:03
Jacob Howard
Yes.
01:12:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
how did those How did those do for you? how did they How did they hold up this year as far as wear?
01:12:07
Jacob Howard
Night and day.
01:12:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Night and day.
01:12:08
Jacob Howard
Night and day. And the biggest bonus with that, and we've we've had it like known with the shop team and everybody knows it now because anyone can do it. You can switch the pox. So if you're if your heels get worn down to a quarter or half mass, instead of doing a whole shoe, you can literally take your heel, put it on the toe, take your toe, put it on the heel.
01:12:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. I got you.
01:12:30
Jacob Howard
I mean, any operator, if you've got an impact gun, you can switch your your shoes.
01:12:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
01:12:35
Jacob Howard
You don't need somebody holding the whole thing and putting it in the air and going through the whole song and dance now.
01:12:36
RICK JAMES
Yep. Yep.
01:12:41
Jacob Howard
And so you're getting even more life out of them. If somebody doesn't know how to, you know, set a clean scrape and they, and they start burning the heels out, you can switch them. It's like doing a tire rotation.
01:12:49
RICK JAMES
Yeah,
01:12:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's cool.
01:12:51
Jacob Howard
You know, it's the same thing.
01:12:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, those guys do a nice job.
01:12:52
RICK JAMES
we've done that for years. It's phenomenal.
01:12:56
Jacob Howard
We swear by them. I mean, company-wide.
01:12:57
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:58
Jacob Howard
And then on the trucks, too. We're working on – yeah, we have them on all of our plows, right? So every Fisher plow on a Ford truck here has them.
01:13:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:13:06
Jacob Howard
But we're working with them, and they're working with Bobcat, and everybody's behind the scenes working on trying to get them for Quattro plows just because we have so many Quattro plows.
01:13:16
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
01:13:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
01:13:16
Jacob Howard
And we're trying to figure out some type of technology to get winter equipment edges on Quattro plows. then you put all that extra weight on the front knee of of your truck when you put those on.
01:13:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
01:13:26
Jacob Howard
So that's that's more downforce.
01:13:26
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:13:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah.
01:13:28
RICK JAMES
Yep. Yep.
01:13:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:13:29
RICK JAMES
It's
01:13:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
They definitely – they scraped. We have them on our MVP three and on the 9-6-1, and we tried it last year, and like you said, it was just – we put it on the plow. It was night and day.
01:13:38
RICK JAMES
lightning day.
01:13:39
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:13:39
RICK JAMES
Lightning day.
01:13:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Night and day.
01:13:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
the only thing The only thing we do notice is the extra weight seems to be burning the pump out. Like it doesn't want to lift. you know it
01:13:47
Jacob Howard
Wow.
01:13:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
that's That's the one – that's the only negative.
01:13:48
Jacob Howard
Hmm.
01:13:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
And that could be a coincidence. The plow – you know
01:13:53
Jacob Howard
I think there's some lag on the pumps with it. I would say that's safe. to I think we see that.
01:13:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Because it's a lot heavier.
01:13:59
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:13:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
You take those stock edges off and put them in a pile, and then you put them next to the winter equipment set.
01:14:03
Jacob Howard
Oh, yeah.
01:14:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's like triple the weight. Yeah.
01:14:05
Jacob Howard
Oh, especially with those clip blinders, like the, you know, the beefy outer edge.
01:14:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:14:09
Jacob Howard
I mean, that's just so such thick carbide. That thing probably weighs 50 pounds, just one of them. Yeah.
01:14:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I i told him we were joking about it. I'm like, he's one of my guys was like, well, yeah, it's only lifting the plow like maybe three, four inches off in V when you're swept back.
01:14:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, I don't care if you keep the plow down all the way out to the property. They're going to you can't wear those out. Those things do not wear.
01:14:31
Jacob Howard
I on our 550s, we have a crazy amount of F550s that all have those on their plows.
01:14:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
like
01:14:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
yep
01:14:40
RICK JAMES
I
01:14:40
Jacob Howard
I'm being completely serious. When they're all the way up and in V, your curb finders are dragging.
01:14:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, yeah.
01:14:46
Jacob Howard
They're almost pitching.
01:14:47
RICK JAMES
got
Equipment Performance & Documentary Feedback
01:14:48
Jacob Howard
um i mean, any non-flat completely. Yeah, a 9.6 on the 550s.
01:14:48
RICK JAMES
to tilt the board a little bit.
01:14:52
RICK JAMES
Yeah, 9, 6, yep.
01:14:54
Jacob Howard
But when those curvefinders are all the way back, I've found in our fleet, you actually have to pump both wings a little bit from all the way back to just buy yourself some clearance when you're going up and down and in and out of sights.
01:15:03
RICK JAMES
Yep, touch him up.
01:15:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:15:09
Jacob Howard
Otherwise, it's just constantly sparking.
01:15:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yep.
01:15:10
RICK JAMES
Yep. boom boom yeah
01:15:12
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:15:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah to but Oh, man. What else you got for him, Jay?
01:15:16
Jacob Howard
but i would I wouldn't change it for anything. I mean, like I said, we swear by it and we we use it on everything now.
01:15:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Awesome. All right. You know what?
01:15:23
RICK JAMES
um
01:15:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Let's hit some commercials real quick. We'll be back in like 45 seconds.
01:16:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, we're back. We are back. Jeremy, and you got anything else for these boys?
01:16:25
RICK JAMES
Not really. I think I asked all the questions I had written down for them. No, it was another great episode. i mean, ODP runs a great operation. Everybody hopefully watched the episode of soft. They go watch it.
01:16:38
RICK JAMES
They run a phenomenal team. Everybody is very knowledgeable and very professional, as we've said. so But you yet they have fun too. and They're just like know every other snow guy.
01:16:48
RICK JAMES
we're on We're all our own little world and No matter what company we are, we're the same same people at the end the day. you know We just get the shit done and we're all having fun at it.
01:17:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Amen.
01:17:00
RICK JAMES
As weird as that sounds, so we are kind of fucked up in the head. Yeah.
01:17:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's not weird.
01:17:04
Jacob Howard
Yeah. Amen.
01:17:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is not weird at all. That is 100% accurate, I think.
01:17:11
Jacob Howard
Yeah. Seven months from now, we could be plowing again. That's quick.
01:17:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:17:15
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:17:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. how did the ah How did the ownership group, but what did they think of the episode?
01:17:17
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:17:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Do you know?
01:17:23
Jacob Howard
Yeah. Yeah. We chat. I chatted with him last night. I think um I had, I talked to a couple of people about it. I think the only thing they said, and we all chatted about this is, is they, they thought there could have been more like narration.
01:17:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
01:17:36
Jacob Howard
um They thought that there could have been more explanation or color when it's just some of the the live clips and it's just showing us moving snow and sidewalk machines and there's just a lot of good footage and live action shots.
01:17:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
01:17:47
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm. Sounds
01:17:49
Jacob Howard
I think they would have just liked explanation behind this is what we're doing. This is why we're doing it. This is how we're doing it. This is what point of the storm we're at. Almost like ah a pre-treat, active event, morning commute.
01:17:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
01:18:04
Jacob Howard
final cleanup, putting a bow on it. Like just for people that, cause you know, if people are watching that, that aren't in the industry, um i just think there are moments where they might, they could think it was stale or they could think it was, you know, dry or something. So some, sometimes the narration I think brings it home.
01:18:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
I didn't think that was dry at all. I thought, I thought it moved really well, honestly.
01:18:29
Jacob Howard
Oh, I mean,
01:18:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
And maybe I'm, maybe I'm too close to it.
01:18:30
RICK JAMES
ah or But we're we in it, though, so we we understand everything that's going on.
01:18:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:18:35
RICK JAMES
He's talking about if you don't really know what's going on, which I get that, too.
01:18:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:18:39
RICK JAMES
mean, let's.
01:18:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, maybe, I mean, yeah with season two, season two,
01:18:41
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:18:42
Jacob Howard
I mean, I work here and I love these guys and it's it's our it's what we do.
01:18:43
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:18:47
Jacob Howard
So it's like naturally I'm going to love it. You know, so I was kind of asking for feedback from people outside of it.
01:18:50
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:18:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:18:55
Jacob Howard
Like even I asked my mother and my sister, hey, what did you guys think? You know what I mean? Like, what did you and they don't I mean, they know I work at Outdoor Pride and they know I'm gone for a really long time, but they don't know snow.
01:19:06
Jacob Howard
yeah You know what mean?
01:19:06
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:19:08
Jacob Howard
So I wanted some outside perspectives. And I just think the color and the narration would explain why we're doing what we're doing or how we do it.
01:19:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Got it. Okay.
01:19:17
RICK JAMES
Would you but do you say, would you like encourage maybe some of your customers to watch it to see what you guys get done? i mean, is that something you think you would maybe do or what?
01:19:28
Jacob Howard
Absolutely. i would I wouldn't shy away from that at all.
01:19:29
RICK JAMES
Okay. Yeah.
01:19:33
Jacob Howard
And I would have no problem with that.
01:19:33
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:19:34
Jacob Howard
I think it would actually buy us some some points. Respect. A little more understanding.
01:19:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, maybe a little grace.
01:19:40
RICK JAMES
Exactly. Yep. That's why we're doing this.
01:19:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, yeah.
01:19:44
Jacob Howard
um And I know, like you asked about the ownership group, I think that that in their mind, right, just being being professional about it, is that would probably be the only worry is like, what would a client think if a client watched this?
01:19:57
Jacob Howard
And that's that's their thought process. So, you know, there's a fine line there.
01:20:02
RICK JAMES
There is a fine line line.
01:20:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
If a client watched that, that was awesome.
01:20:04
Jacob Howard
That was all professionalism.
01:20:05
RICK JAMES
and
01:20:06
Jacob Howard
There was negativity whatsoever. Right. Yeah. Right.
01:20:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that was awesome.
01:20:10
RICK JAMES
Yes.
01:20:11
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:20:11
RICK JAMES
and
01:20:12
Jacob Howard
I mean, yeah, that's just pure professionalism.
01:20:13
RICK JAMES
We're the business. Yeah. Okay.
01:20:16
Jacob Howard
I mean, indeed if I owned a company, I'd want i'd want out to a pride problem on my property.
01:20:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
01:20:22
Jacob Howard
know?
01:20:22
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:20:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
I completely agree.
01:20:22
Jacob Howard
and know I know when I get in in the morning, it's going to be treated and my walks are going to be good. And Susie's going to be able to get out of her car and her spikes and walk up to the door. No problem. You know, because she knows it's snowing, but she's still going to wear Right.
01:20:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:20:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotta wear stilettos. Absolutely.
01:20:37
Jacob Howard
You got to wear um you know, but ah yeah, no doubt about it. It shows what we do.
01:20:44
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:20:45
Jacob Howard
but
01:20:45
RICK JAMES
I mean, a client's going to, I know what you're saying. I know what saying there, Jake, about the client stuff, but yet no matter what happens in the video or in the documentary, it's, it's real life, real world.
01:20:57
RICK JAMES
Shit breaks.
01:20:58
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:20:58
RICK JAMES
A skittle slide down ice.
01:20:59
Jacob Howard
yeah place blog
01:21:00
RICK JAMES
I mean, i mean, I don't know how anybody can be mad about anything like that because that's just part of what goes on late. And guess what you did? You guys figured it out. You moved on.
01:21:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that's...
01:21:11
RICK JAMES
no problems, anything got damaged, we always have to fix it. Even and if we don't need damage, we have to fix it all time. So, it's a win-win for the clients.
01:21:18
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:21:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:21:18
Jacob Howard
Right. Exactly. Oh, 100%.
01:21:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. And anybody... Anybody that's ever been in a talk with those narrow tracks know that there is nothing you're going to do. Even if that was just rain on that pavement, that thing would have a traction issue.
01:21:34
RICK JAMES
I don't know.
01:21:34
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:21:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
right now
01:21:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Those tracks are horrible in any kind of moisture. They're made for dirt. ah But that that's real. That happens. That can happen to anybody at any time anywhere in this country or Canada pushing snow.
01:21:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
And listen, okay, we pull them out and we fix the fence. No problem.
01:21:51
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:21:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Good as new.
01:21:52
Jacob Howard
Steve, what I, to add some color, you know how many unrealistic expectations and clients you have?
01:21:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Done.
01:22:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah.
01:22:02
RICK JAMES
Yeah, 100%. Yeah, we do.
01:22:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, most of them.
01:22:03
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:22:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Most of them.
01:22:04
RICK JAMES
yeah yeah we do
01:22:04
Jacob Howard
I'm not talking about us.
01:22:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:22:07
Jacob Howard
I'm just saying from from other perspectives, they don't understand that that's what happens and that we're taking huge risk and liability and just doing snow removal, period.
01:22:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:22:19
RICK JAMES
right
01:22:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:22:19
Jacob Howard
Like things break, things happen, you lose machines.
01:22:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
and
01:22:23
Jacob Howard
I mean, the crazy things that have happened here that I've witnessed as long as I've been here, they would think is completely unexcusable. And that's that's that's not safe.
01:22:34
Jacob Howard
It's like, okay, well, how else do you want us to move this snow out of your parking lot?
01:22:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that's called a Thursday.
01:22:38
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:22:40
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:22:43
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:22:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, they don't get it. They have no idea.
01:22:45
Jacob Howard
Nope.
01:22:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
but
01:22:46
Jacob Howard
That's the problem is that some people don't, which is why I said I would love any client to watch the video because I think it would actually buy us some ground to stand on and a leg to stand on where it's like, this is actually what happens when your lot's empty.
01:23:01
Jacob Howard
Like we're stacking to the moon.
01:23:01
RICK JAMES
Mm-hmm.
01:23:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:23:03
Jacob Howard
We're doing what you want. You want it curb to curb. You want this, that, and the other thing. Well, it takes a lot of moving parts to get it what back to your expectation. and And it's not always a cookie cutter operation, you know?
01:23:16
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:23:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Or when the lots are packed and you have one you have literally one pass width between the two bumpers of the the rows of cars, and they're wondering, well, why is this not completely clean?
01:23:17
RICK JAMES
And everything's...
01:23:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, because you've got 150 cars parked there, and we can only get where there's no cars.
01:23:28
Jacob Howard
Yeah, and why is all the snow not in the one designated snow location?
01:23:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes. Yes.
01:23:33
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:23:34
RICK JAMES
Because there's a car there.
01:23:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. but
01:23:36
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:23:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly.
01:23:37
RICK JAMES
So I guess I made a decision. We're going to put it there for now. And then tonight we're gonna come back and move it to where it's supposed to go. it's It'll be fine.
01:23:43
Jacob Howard
Right.
01:23:44
RICK JAMES
Relax. Move on.
01:23:47
Jacob Howard
Exactly. yeah That's where I park. I park there.
01:23:50
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
01:23:51
Jacob Howard
That's where I park every day.
01:23:51
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:23:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:23:52
RICK JAMES
no That's my spot.
01:23:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:23:54
RICK JAMES
That's my spot.
01:23:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know
01:23:55
Jacob Howard
but
01:23:55
RICK JAMES
Not today.
01:23:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
We had a postal facility that we had a winter operations plan for, for all their trucks that were in the lot so we could clear it when the snow was coming. So we we had a whole layout.
01:24:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
We gave them all laminated everything. Here's where, you know, when we give you the text the day before, this is where every truck has to be parked. Okay. Everybody got it. Good. We even rehearsed it with the the the head of the site and everything.
01:24:17
Jacob Howard
yeah yeah we have that
01:24:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
There is always one truck. Everybody will be moved, but that last guy that comes in, we'll put it right on the stack site, right where we have to stack, right where they designated the stack and we move it.
01:24:28
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:24:31
Jacob Howard
and we have the yeah We have the one truck guy at the truck brush that wants to come in and go under it backwards. He doesn't want to go. He's everybody else. He's got to come from the other direction.
01:24:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:24:42
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:24:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh my God.
01:24:44
Jacob Howard
yeah that's that's yeah is one Jeremy, you had asked me about the, and I honestly don't know the exact name they call it, but snow Wolf let us demo that alpha.
01:24:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. There's always one. There's always one. Oh man.
01:24:55
Jacob Howard
so It's like a metal plus prototype.
01:24:58
RICK JAMES
Yep. Yep.
01:25:00
Jacob Howard
um And we,
01:25:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
freedom is the freedom okay
01:25:02
Jacob Howard
It's not the Freedom. It's basically – it's like a Quattro Plow but much heavier and it's for like a mini loaders. um And it has hydraulic-powered wings.
01:25:12
RICK JAMES
you
01:25:14
Jacob Howard
I want to say it's like the Alpha something. um
01:25:17
RICK JAMES
Yeah, I had it last year for Storm.
01:25:20
Jacob Howard
Yeah. It backdrags great. it's If you're trying to compare it to a Quattro Plow, it is so much heavier. that the size we demoed, I don't even think a skid could handle it, honestly, or or it would be so clunky and clangy that you wouldn't want to put it on a skid steer.
01:25:34
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yep.
01:25:38
Jacob Howard
um But if you had a de a decent mini loader, I did like it. The quality of the scrape was good, and the wings were so big that you could really get a full box in reverse back dragging 90-degree tight parking lots.
01:25:52
Jacob Howard
Um, we liked it and I think we probably had it for the last three or four storms of the season, but then it didn't snow in March. So I personally wasn't able to get up there and use it. I just went to, to Bobcat in New Hampshire to demo it, hook it up, see it in their shop before they sent it out.
01:26:08
Jacob Howard
Um, me and Nate went to look at it and we, we thought it was good, but I'm sure we'll, I'm sure it'll be at Syma, um, before we make any decisions.
01:26:15
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:26:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Cool.
01:26:17
RICK JAMES
think I got a TikTok.
01:26:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
how did the ah How did the Bobcat, the L95s, hold up for you? How'd they do?
01:26:22
Jacob Howard
I love the L 95s for a lot of the L 95 specifically. i mean, I'll say straight up, I think so like the 65, some of them are a little underpowered.
01:26:35
Jacob Howard
um But the ninety five s the the lighting on them, the vision on them, the height, um they're they're a great machine.
01:26:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
and Are they horse?
01:26:45
RICK JAMES
No, don't think so. They don't have def, do they?
01:26:47
Jacob Howard
I don't think so.
01:26:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Are they DEF machines?
01:26:50
RICK JAMES
they're 74 horsepower.
01:26:50
Jacob Howard
No.
01:26:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
So they got to be under 75. Okay.
01:26:53
RICK JAMES
do seventy four or
01:26:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. So they, okay, good.
01:26:55
Jacob Howard
you know we have We have the 65s, the 85s, and the 95s. We have all three different types. So I've kind of ran them all in different spots. Like anything else, it depends what type of snow it is, how heavy it is, what pusher you have on it.
01:27:10
Jacob Howard
um But when you've when you're used to running a Komatsu and a Komatsu only and and the you're expecting what a Komatsu does, it's, you know. I want nothing to do with them.
01:27:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:27:21
Jacob Howard
They're too small for me.
01:27:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Do you put snow tires on them or no?
01:27:24
Jacob Howard
It just doesn't look happy.
01:27:24
RICK JAMES
I hear ya. Yep. and
01:27:25
Jacob Howard
yeah Yeah, we did.
01:27:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
You got snow?
01:27:27
Jacob Howard
We did. We did get snow tires. I think the best thing we did now is every single Max Pro that we have talking Metal Plus, we've put snow tires on those loaders counter the weight.
01:27:37
RICK JAMES
you know
01:27:37
Jacob Howard
And we realized you've got to do the same thing with those those mini loaders just to get better traction and make them a little more powerful to combat the fact that.
01:27:46
RICK JAMES
you
01:27:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:27:48
Jacob Howard
As soon as you need to use your hydraulic power for anything else, right? If you're just making a long pass in a straightaway, you can haul it.
01:27:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:27:58
Jacob Howard
But then if you need to stack it, turn, articulate, cut the quattro plow, you might as well turn off all power.
01:28:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
There goes your traction power.
01:28:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, 100%.
01:28:07
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:28:07
Jacob Howard
but
01:28:07
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:28:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
and so
01:28:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Jeremy, I think I'm on a 99.9% positive. Jeremy was the guy that, when when we first had the discussion about snow tires, because he was a huge proponent and I hadn't had him yet on loaders.
01:28:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
He's like, dude, you put snow tires on whatever mini compact loader you have, and it automatically in a snowstorm makes that loader the next size up.
01:28:29
Jacob Howard
right right
01:28:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
It operates like it's the next size up without snow tires. I'm like,
01:28:33
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:28:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
and Okay, I'm sold. And he's right. He was 100% right.
01:28:36
RICK JAMES
we can
01:28:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
01:28:37
RICK JAMES
we don't we don't
01:28:38
Jacob Howard
the snow tires that we have on our 320 komatsus okay the that site specific we is a zero there's no permanent snow storage location so everything on massive square footage distribution center has to be removed after the storm's gone you cannot keep snow on the site it's fenced in You know what I mean? a hundred percent We don't have to put buckets on to move the snow there because we've got 28 foot max pros with snow tires and you can move snow piles.
01:29:11
Jacob Howard
um get them to like a snow gate or get them to a point where you could get it out to a retention pond or something, or just get it to the trucks to a loader that does have a bucket.
01:29:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha. Sure.
01:29:14
RICK JAMES
Except for metric.
01:29:20
Jacob Howard
But we're talking about massive, massive temporary snow locations.
01:29:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:29:25
RICK JAMES
you know
01:29:25
Jacob Howard
And you can just kind of cut into it and get it moving because of the snow when it's dry. You know, after the storm, when the pavement's dry, but all you have is massive snow piles, those 320s with snow tires can move any bank that you can think of.
01:29:40
Jacob Howard
and get it rolling and and keep it moving.
01:29:40
RICK JAMES
except for them Except for Metal Plus Wings are going to fall back.
01:29:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
01:29:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
01:29:46
Jacob Howard
No, they don't.
01:29:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:29:46
RICK JAMES
I have to get my shot.
01:29:46
Jacob Howard
Nope, they hold it.
01:29:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah yeah
01:29:48
Jacob Howard
They take it right to the truck.
01:29:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Kool-Aid drinker.
01:29:51
RICK JAMES
I think you're breaking up, Jake. Jake, you're breaking up.
01:29:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:29:52
Jacob Howard
Ask them to do it.
01:29:55
RICK JAMES
You're breaking up
01:29:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
You're too funny. Oh, man.
01:29:58
RICK JAMES
up.
01:29:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. You good, Jay? You got something else for him?
01:30:03
RICK JAMES
I'm good. Yeah, it was great show. These guys are awesome. So, like I said...
01:30:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
You boys got anything for us?
01:30:08
Jacob Howard
I just want to say thank you for having us. Thanks for having us Thanks for for the platform.
01:30:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
No problem.
01:30:13
Jacob Howard
This is all new to me. This is great. The documentary, Storm Chasing. um You got fans over here. So we really appreciate just the the the whole opportunity and the whole experience has been as been great.
01:30:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
01:30:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, it's no problem. No problem.
01:30:27
RICK JAMES
We're a big fan of you guys as well.
01:30:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
ODP has been great to us. Yeah.
01:30:30
RICK JAMES
We're a big fan of ODP as well. So, and you guys.
01:30:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely. You guys have been great to us. Let Mikey come on. Like you said, Mike's been on so much. He's going to have his own monogram chair soon.
01:30:38
Jacob Howard
Oh, geez. Yeah, i thought he was a co-host at this point. I was expecting to see him today. Right.
01:30:43
RICK JAMES
Well,
01:30:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
You might. Well, I mean, shoot. When one of us retires, he might be the guy to have to take over. could definitely carry it. That's for sure. but But no, I mean, ODP was great about like when we first we first started, Mike was on in the first month, Jay, maybe two months.
01:30:58
RICK JAMES
I think so, yeah. Yeah.
01:31:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
he was on very early stages before this was even established as a thing in the industry and ODP gave him permission to do it.
01:31:00
RICK JAMES
We'll
01:31:05
Jacob Howard
right
01:31:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, you know, we, we, we're very thankful to ODP for that and helping us, you know, do what we do. And they've always been extremely supportive of the show and us. So, you know it's the least we could do.
01:31:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're glad you guys got your episode and it it was awesome. And, you anything else we can do, let us know.
01:31:21
Jacob Howard
Yeah. Yeah, let's do another one. Yeah.
01:31:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
I think, I think we might have to definitely.
01:31:26
RICK JAMES
do it.
01:31:27
RICK JAMES
We'll do it.
01:31:27
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:31:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
That was, I enjoyed that one. I'm going to go watch it again, actually with the kids. Cause they didn't get to see it yet. So go let them, so they're, they're usually pretty good critics.
01:31:34
Jacob Howard
Cool.
01:31:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
They had, uh, the, I think my son, my son saw the, uh, he watched the glacier one. he loves seeing uncle Jeremy. And then, uh,
01:31:44
Jacob Howard
Yeah.
01:31:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
And then the second one was great because it was UD. And he's like, Dad, this is a snow show, right? Like, there's supposed to be snow?
01:31:54
RICK JAMES
OK, both.
01:31:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, yeah, sorry, buddy.
01:31:56
Jacob Howard
Crazy. Crazy. Yeah.
01:31:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, we got kind of snake-eyed on that one. But what are you going to do? But, yeah, we love you guys, and thank you very much. And you guys did a phenomenal job. Thank your whole team for us. And ah sorry everybody didn't make it in.
01:32:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
I think they said there's between 400 and 500 hours for that get whittled down to that 45 to 50-minute.
01:32:13
Jacob Howard
i emergency
01:32:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, yeah, it's a lot of lot of footage to sift through and get 45 to 50 minutes out of it.
01:32:17
Jacob Howard
crazy but good can
01:32:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
so
01:32:22
Jacob Howard
yeah
01:32:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
But thank everybody for us, and we're glad you guys enjoyed the time.
01:32:27
Jacob Howard
Yeah, great job.
01:32:27
RICK JAMES
Can't wait to see you guys at the time.
01:32:28
Jacob Howard
Will do. Thank you, guys.
01:32:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
01:32:29
RICK JAMES
See you Silent Lake.
01:32:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, then.
01:32:30
Jacob Howard
Thank you. Have a good one.
01:32:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
You guys, it's time.
01:32:31
RICK JAMES
Whatever else.
01:32:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
So we'll wrap it there then people that is going to do it for episode one 23 of the snow jobs podcast main show.
01:32:33
RICK JAMES
Thanks, guys.
01:32:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
As we said, thanks Jake and Scott for the time. Thanks to the whole ODP team and family, uh, for being a part of storm chasing with the snow jobs and the snow jobs podcast. You guys have always, uh, had our back and supported us. So we, uh, we thank you very much for that and wish you guys all the best in the future.
01:32:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
So that is it gang. Everybody be safe out there. Have a great week. And keep pushing.