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How do you signal? - Ep 295
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This week the crew discusses how the choices you make can signal to peers, employers, and other professionals. They cover email sign offs, LinkedIn and more!
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Introduction to CRM Archaeology Podcast
00:00:01
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You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. This is the CRM Archaeology Podcast. It's the show where we pull back the veil of cultural resources management archaeology and discuss the issues that everyone is concerned about. Welcome to the podcast.
00:00:22
Speaker
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the CRM Podcast, Episode 295. This is Doug. I will be your host for this episode. i Man, I think it's been like years since I've hosted, but looking forward to it. And with me as well, everyone in California, because apparently the podcast is like me plus the Cali crew. So we have... And the Nomad Chris. Yeah, well, of course it's also like traveling, you know, I think it's the East Coast right now, but sometimes it's Cali as well. Yeah. So, yeah, sorry. Let me introduce our other host. There's Heather. Hello, everyone. There's Bill. Good morning. And last but not least, there's Andrew. What's up, guys? All right.
Professionalism in Email Communication
00:01:08
Speaker
And on today's episode, we're going to be picking up from a previous episode. We were talking about professionalism and dressing and how you dress up, how you dress up for conferences, for interviews and various things like that. But, you know, how you dress is just sort of one way of how you present how you sort of
00:01:27
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signal who you are and what you're about to other people. So this episode, we're going to take that a bit broader and we're going to look at, you know, how do you signal to other people your professional interests, that you're a professional person, or just general aspects that you're trying to get across to different audiences. so We're going to start this out there. Bill was not at our last podcast for this. and We talked quite a bit about sort of conference dressing and you know how we present ourselves and in conferences and somewhat dress up. and I think we'll start there, but we're going to be covering a whole range of topics from you know your email footer to your dress, to what journals you publish in, all that sort of thing. so
00:02:14
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I don't know where we're going to start. I think I'm just going to throw a random one out there and start with email footers. How do you guys do your email footers?
00:02:26
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ah Well, I guess I can go first because I never put any of the slogans like, you know, the place where I work. it's Some people have just line after line of resources and all this different stuff and signaling and all these different. I just have myself my title. That's it. My name and my title. That's all I have. So you don't do anything like RPA or?
00:02:50
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Nope. Oh, nice. Nope. I don't have PhD on there or anything. It's just Bill White, associate professor at University of California, Berkeley. That's it. And I don't have any more of the like links to this or I don't have a ah tagline or a slogan. I don't have any kind of witty quote quote or anything. You know, it was great because last year I got associate professor. So for the first time in six years, I changed it from assistant to associate.
00:03:19
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And someday if I get full professor, it'll just say professor. So that's all I have. And Bill, why did, is that a conscious decision? Yeah. Well, so, you know, it seems like a lot of people send these emails and they've got the flavor of the day, the the, you know, cause of the day going on, you know, for a long time, it was Black Lives Matter. Everybody had all these Black Lives Matter things all over their signature.
00:03:44
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And it was just basically virtue signaling because you know the people that I was, well, at least many of the people who were sending the emails, first of all, weren't going to really do anything. They were just sending it out there because that's what was going on. And, you know, since then those folks have changed there.
00:04:00
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taglines to the new cause or whatever, right? So, you can tell the longer you know them that they're just basically an actor that's just you know putting this stuff on there because they think it makes them look good and and and they think that the receiver somehow cares about it, right? I don't have a phone number otherwise I'd put that on there. I used to have a phone in my office and they moved a bookshelf in front of the phone jack, so now I don't have a phone. Otherwise, I would have had the phone number on there and basically like my work email is to contact me about work stuff. It's not for us to talk about, you know, campaigns, you know, and you know, donations and resources for all kinds of different kinds of health issues and all different kinds of stuff. It's for you to ask me a question about work.
00:04:43
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and for me to respond about work, right? But I have other emails and they don't have any tagline at all, that's what my friends would contact me over, right? And then I have, you know, my other hidden social media accounts that's where I would do my virtue signaling about, you know, what I care about and all these different things, right? But at work, I just work at a place, it's a state agency, I do a job and that's the only thing that's on there.
00:05:09
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Man, I agree with Bill 110 percent. Mine's like exactly the same. I have the exact same story. I love Bill that you brought up the virtue signaling quote of the week, which I can't stand. but So for myself, I'm just the same. But the only thing different is is next to my name. It does say PhD slash RPA. That's it. But the rest, it's simple. It's clean and it's professional. And that's it. And also my phone doesn't work either.
00:05:36
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other. What about you? I i agree 100% and just want to add, you know, first of all, I do think it's exploitive to have these taglines. i I don't think, I think yes, it's definitely a virtue signaling and along that line, I don't, I just, in a way I take, I'm not going to I try not to assume what people are thinking, but to me, it does seem exploitive. You have people that, for whatever campaign or or fight or cause it is, that take these causes very seriously, dedicate their lives to them, ah work hard to really try to make people's lives better, whatever that cause is, and then to go and take that cause and put it on your line in order to
00:06:26
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Promote yourself because that's what it seems like it is i really i take offense to that i i think it's exploitive and it's not it's disrespectful to the people that really dedicate their lives to those causes and yeah to me itself it's.
00:06:41
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Self-centeredness, but anyway, so i I would never put that on there. So there's a ah quote, which everybody I'm sure has heard, right? And people have associated it with different people, but Abraham Lincoln is who I've heard. He says, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
00:07:00
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So it's better to not say something and to not to just to be neutral on your signature block than to put things out there that you know really don't belong and can impact how people you the decisions that people make with how they're going to interact with you. So along that line, I agree with what both Bill and and Andrew said.
00:07:23
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that it's not appropriate but you know it's free country people can do with it want but I don't it's not a good thing it it or it's not it's not the smartest move to make You can believe all those things and you can go and and work towards them on your free time. And if it's appropriate in the work that you work, you know, in the work setting environment that you're in to talk about them, then that's a decision you're going to make. But I think that putting it on an email when you don't know who is seeing it, and it's not out of fear of retribution, it's just you don't want to alienate people.
00:07:59
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Yeah, it immediately politicizes the situation. And it's like, dude, I'm just trying to send ah an email about a professional gathering or something. yeah right And and some of these some of these little tag lines mean different things to different people. So even though maybe it means one thing to you and the other person may not argue it and actually may agree with you, they don't know that.
00:08:19
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So now you've associated yourself with maybe a group you don't even, you're not even associated with. So I just, I don't think it's a professional. I don't think it's professional. I wouldn't. Well, I mean, my other thing is to the email that we're talking about here is the professional one, right? So most of us have many different emails. And so if you want to have, ah you know, soup of all different kinds of stuff at the end of your email,
00:08:45
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on your personal one that's reflecting all this other stuff. You know, there's there's nothing wrong with that. But like I said, I work for a state agency. So some of the stuff that taken positions, right? Like I work for the government. And so when you start to think about that, and then you're putting a whole bunch of different layers of different things on top of it, you could be inadvertently walking yourself into trouble without even really knowing that you're doing that, right? Especially if you're, you know, some of these things are with other governments, right? And so supporting different governments, supporting different groups that might be, you know, against the government or different like you can't control what other people are going to do in these groups that are outside of your institution. And so sometimes I feel like putting that kind of stuff on there could possibly navigate you in trouble with your employer. But the other thing about it is
00:09:37
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that it changes. Your allegiances are going to change. What you care about throughout your career and your life are going to change. and so When people are getting emails for you over you know years or weeks or whatever, and you're constantly shifting your gears from you know this thing and feeding these people and caring about this thing, and then all of a sudden you're against that organization and everything else, and you're constantly sending this message ah across, it's like you were saying before, some people have devoted their entire lives to these causes.
00:10:05
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and you're just hopping on the bandwagon and so it definitely shows that first of all, if five years ago you were all about this one thing, what have you done over the five years for that thing, right? It makes me ask that question. And if the answer is you've donated a couple hundred dollars over five years, is that really actually socially, is that social change, right?
00:10:26
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Or is it just you putting something on there, a commercial that's showing like what you want the world to think you are, right? So, if you're really serious, you're gonna get out there, you're gonna get your hands st dirty and you're really gonna pour it all into a thing, I'll know because I'll keep seeing you saying something about housing dogs and you know, helping animals and all this other stuff. And I know that you really care about that because for seven years, you've been telling me that you care all about that. Okay, that's great. But if you're just, you know, a young career person and you're putting it all over everything and then switching it up every 12 months when there's a new cause or a new crisis, then that just basically shows me you don't really have any allegiance. You're not really invested in something and that you're just, you know, all over the place. And and then going on to professionalism, as I get to know you longer,
00:11:12
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And as I see you change all the time, I know that when things get tough or you get bored or something else, you're not going to be there. Like you're not going to stick with this because you've switched your cause that you've been focused on so many times since I've known you that, you know, how can I know that you're going to be there for the long haul for these longer projects?
00:11:32
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Right. And Bill, you brought up young people, too, which I agree. I think young people, they don't know any better and they just see this happening and they feel like they're almost supposed to, you know, they're supposed to put the quote or whatever. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just keep it. Keep it clean. You know.
00:11:47
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Yeah. And actually so a lot of companies are not even going to allow you to do that. there's So if you ever did decide that you still wanted to ignore our but our advice and do it anyway, I highly suggest you talk to your supervisor and make sure that that's allowed on a signature block. Some companies won't even allow you to do it. Wow. So I i did not expect us to take this much time. odd I know.
00:12:13
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I actually, I have, I have one, like hopefully final wrap up on that before we get to that, I was going to say is like, so you guys are touching on something that I think is quite important. So we use the term like virtue signaling. And I think the best thing I heard someone say was like, everyone virtual signals. And this is a bit of what this episode's about. It's like, how are you signaling? You know, what you do. I think we use virtual signaling as a derogatory term where we're like.
00:12:39
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We don't like the signal that people are sending, but I would get that across. It's like, everything everyone everyone is always signaling something, whether you're consciously doing it or not. And so this is what we're talking about. It's like probably a bit on the sort of conscious side, what we think about and how we signal. And I would say now switching back to the to the the footers of emails, it's a bigger deal in the UK where you can get a lot more post-nominals behind your name. So you got people who are like PhD and then, oh, Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, Aunt Scott, and then Society of Antiquaries of London. And you you get like extra little post-nominals that you could put behind. And ah there's some people where like you end up with like eight
00:13:27
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nine, 10, cause you could just put so many behind there. It's sort of a big deal. I don't personally do that. Uh, the only thing I add actually is, so this is a weird one and it's a tough one because sometimes I get blowback for this, but I also put my email below in my signature and that's just from frustration from like Microsoft outlook. Like if someone forwards your email a log.
00:13:54
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And they don't have like, you know, in the front, it'll literally just say your name on that for the email. So you can never like find that person's email and you have to go back and be like, Hey, uh, you forwarded this to me. Can you, can you also like copy and paste in their email? Cause I can't actually see it. Cause it's just come across as text literally as their name, not as their email. But I get some people are like, dude, you just sent me an email. I know what your email is. and So i'm I'm a bit torn on it. Cause sometimes I do get.
00:14:24
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I'm pretty sure I annoy people with putting my email in my email signature, but like for a lot of things, I've never seen that where you can't see your email. Anyway, I'll have to look at it yeah you go like on the email in the string and it will pop up the other emails. Yeah, but it gets buried. It can get buried. Okay. It depends on your email. Like if they're sending it over as like a ah raw text, if it comes over,
00:14:52
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And it'll just like, if it's in their system, like you're under your name, you know, some, some emails, especially like Outlook does that where they're like, instead of like, you know, Heather at, they'll just be Heather and your name. And so you can never actually tracked out emails. The only thing I'd say about the alphabet soup at the end of your name is you earned that. And when else are you going to be able to show it off? So unless somebody goes to your office and sees the degrees on the wall or whatever,
00:15:21
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Go ahead, keep them on there. I'm down with that. If you've got have you got nine different certifications, go ahead. Just string them on there, man. It's cool. I do want to say one thing. I'm glad you said that. There's one thing as far as titles go, I serve in different ways where I work. So I will change my title based on who the recipient is. So if it's somebody that sometimes I'm just archaeologists. But if I think that either the client or let's see, the agency needs to know that this is
00:15:53
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the principal investigator for the project, then I will change. I change my title a lot. And then sometimes I'm serving in a non-archaeological way, and I will change again to some other title. So I do do that just because people do look at who the what the title is. And it's not about me trying to you know say, you know have them think I'm important, but I'm trying to communicate to them who they're talking to,
00:16:22
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so that they know. that you know whatever my role is that they got the right person. And so sometimes I'll change that. And I agree with the degrees. If you want to share them, great. I mean, the one thing is if you say RPA, that usually says ah enough. Obviously, you have a degree a graduate degree, typically. I put RPA on the back because in a lot of the emails that I'm writing, people need to know that they have somebody that has that RPA that's required. and some
00:16:55
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instances. Yeah. ah You bring up a really good point because it's it's something I'm loathe to do. like I don't usually put doctor um on anything unless I usually pull it out when like someone's being a real asshole and then I switch it up and I'm like, ah yeah, you don't call me Doug. It's Dr. Rocham Queen to you. that's That's usually what I do, but I also Because I really hate it because I don't put a lot of, I don't know how to say this, emphasis, trust, kudos, getting a doctorate is like, oh yeah, whatever. And so I out hold it in really high regard. But I also like, this is one of the problems with like signaling is like, that's my value is I just don't value doctorates. But I do realize lots of people do.
00:17:51
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And people will definitely treat you differently if you have doctor in front of your name. And I also do understand, especially yeah I get away with this, but I also understand, you know, like a lot of women, definitely they'll put it in like, not, I mean, we're talking emails here, but you know, like social media stuff and things like that. Cause they always get miss or misses and then no one ever says doctor to them. So I completely understand that, that push on that side as well.
00:18:21
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Yeah, but, you know, i I put I tend to put doctor down on any kind of professional stuff, you know, because you have it and i it it's a thing and it is important, you know, and it's real. Right. So ah you guys know me. I don't walk around going, it's Dr. Kinkela, please.
00:18:37
Speaker
ah turn around, you know, you you know, I'm not like that. And and I tend and I'm very relaxed with my students and that kind of stuff. But in the professional world, I do tend to put that down because it is honest is the thing I have. And it's it's it's true. The only time I get pissed when people call themselves doctors when they have an EDD, which is a doctor of education. And it's not the same. And I hate it when that's my own little pet peeve. I'm like, don't call yourself a doctor. It ain't the sort of shady. Yeah. Yeah. But it's such a specific man.
00:19:07
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that it's it but yeah you're not really it's Anyway, what you know, we've earned a JD. They should put that in the back. And yeah actually, I mean, that does happen. Yeah. In my, yeah you know, the companies that I work for, I actually think that it's helpful. When I see that, that means usually the person knows the law and they they should have a better grasp of the regulatory side of our business. yeah So I think it's a good thing that you should probably go to the next segment. Yeah. we Yeah. So on that note, see you guys in a minute. not really.
00:19:39
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Welcome back, everyone. So I'm actually going to slightly move off from email at the moment. We're sort of slightly discussing off podcast, I guess, off sound. I don't know what the criteriater right term is there. A bit about social media and stuff. and It sort of comes up as, you know, there's various different social media platforms out there and some of them are more based for professionalism, but also, ah you know, some people use things like Twitter. I'm not going to call it its new name, yeah Twitter.
00:20:09
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or other, you know, Facebook or other Instagram, I guess you could pretty much use any sort of social media if you wanted to as sort of like a professional facing account. And actually, if you know, you're, you're self-employed, it's a lot of, you know, a lot of people do it that way as, you know, their social media accounts are their professional accounts. So I was going to throw out to you guys, do you guys pick particular social media accounts and do you think about it? Like, as in, do you have a sort of professional forward If you, where you post, where you do things on social media, I'll just throw that out there. I used to wade deep in the sewage that social media, and then it just started to get too thick. And I started to go down like that horse in The Never Ending Story, except where no one was crying for me to like stay alive. They were just kind of like, yeah, watch them drown in social media. So i I cut a lot of that stuff out. you know i ah Part of it was trying to find a job, right? so
00:21:08
Speaker
when I was a PhD student, I was really ramping up the social media and actually I actually ended up writing an e-book on it that's on the SHA website about using social media and and making websites and stuff. and I used to do a lot more of it. And just over time, what I realized is, you know, the way the algorithms are set up, I think we've already talked about this quite a bit, right? Like the
Social Media's Role in Professional Image
00:21:29
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algorithms are set up for you to just go into echo chambers and so you're you know, they increasingly segment people off into echo chambers because it's easier for them to sell stuff to you that way. But it's also easier for you to get more engagement when you're in there with a bunch of other people in the same choir that you're preaching to, right? So the idea that you were going to reach out and use social media to get this huge audience
00:21:53
Speaker
All you're gonna do is just connect other people who are already ranting about the same thing that you're ranting about, right? But then also the positive stuff on social media gets almost no attention, whereas negative stuff gets tons of engagement. And so the machine is designed to just let you go deeper and deeper into stuff that makes you pissed off and makes you rant because by you ranting and and forwarding and reposting and thumbs upping and hearting and all that stuff, things that you can't stand. yeah that That equals, you know, traffic and that's like what social media set up for us, right? So, when it comes to social media now, I kind of stay away from it, right?
00:22:33
Speaker
Kind of like drinking alcohol or cigarettes, right? Too much of it, you will definitely for sure get very sick. Your life will be less good if you drink a bunch of alcohol and you smoke cigarettes, either one or the other. And so I treat those things like the same thing. It's like cancer for your mind and for your emotion. And staying in that stuff is bad. So that's my that's my three minute comment on using social media. Your mind will be like 15 seconds. so Bill, as always, you know, maybe just today is my last day on this podcast because Bill just says the exact same thing that I'm about to say. So I agree with Bill again, 110 percent. My backstory is exactly the same. I do find social media a complete cancer on the self and social interaction and the world. I used to do more of it. I do like none of it now. I do have a Facebook. I do have like an Instagram. I like never post. I never do Jack. The only thing I do is I do put YouTube videos up on my YouTube channel, but in that world, it's much more of I make a thing and then give it out to the world. I don't interact very much you know in terms of messaging or talking you know talking with people in that world. So anyway, that's what I got. Bill and I are of a hive mind.
00:23:52
Speaker
Yeah, I guess so. But I mean, you, i like I said, you can definitely build your own online persona. Like I said, I mean, it's though things are set up for you to be able to do that. If you're wise about it, you can absolutely create persona for yourself. And if you're starting out, and especially if you're in, you know, trying to get into academia, nobody knows you from anyone yeah When they first see an email from you or any kind of article or whatever, they're going to be like, who is this individual? Well, the internet is a super easy and low hanging fruit way that over time you can absolutely build your own identity online. You can just keep putting tons more archaeology stuff in these different social media platforms.
00:24:35
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and and it's designed to be searchable and stuff. And so like the only one that I'd say for careers that's super functional, it seems nerdy and everything is LinkedIn. Of course, it has its own spam-tastic messaging systems and a bunch of other you know ways for you to get to get you to do the same thing, clicks and engagement and all that kind of stuff, right? But It's designed for people who are you know working on business oriented things. And when you're talking about archaeology, it makes it much easier for you to put yourself in there. It's a search engine, but it's also a publishing platform. So if you don't have a blog, you can write articles and you can post them on there. It's also connected to your other social media. So you know it's getting traffic from multiple different directions and it's oriented towards careers. So on there, there's a chance that you can find out about companies in the area
00:25:27
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that you can find out about people who are you know potentially higher archaeologists and that you can try if they actually respond on their LinkedIn. You can try to actually message them and connect with them to set up stuff offline that's outside of the the hiring process. right so LinkedIn, I think, is probably the one of your best bets if you're thinking about building your career and using that for online purposes.
00:25:49
Speaker
Yeah, you know, and I do I do want to just add real quick because I do want to talk more about LinkedIn, but I had forgotten. I just remembered that I do know people who have have gotten huge followings on Instagram. But again, it's because they take it professionally and they make little Instagram posts, basically, that are germane to their profession. You know, so I think what to take from this is to do things that are supposed to go out to the public, like public service kind of stuff, little shows and that kind of stuff. Not just bitching in the comments, right? There's a big difference there. So along that line of thinking, first, think about what it is that you're trying to communicate and what your what your end goal is. So yes.
00:26:33
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You know, if if you are, let's say, a professor and you're trying or you're a desire, your desire to be a professor, I was in that world for a short, very short, very short period of time. And so I don't know it all that you know as much as you guys do at all. I do know that there's you know certain perceptions that need to occur before or that are taken into account when you're considered for tenure. right And so maybe in academia, I think it's a good thing to be putting together you know these videos and and whatnot in a professional setting. It's not that helpful. I'll just say, you know if you're trying to go into CRM, companies are not looking at that specifically. It may be, oh, that's interesting, but it's not something i don't that that's really going to get you a job. Because what they're looking for is somebody who can produce superior product
00:27:24
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who can be responsive to clients, who's technically excellent, and who in a professional setting reads well. Not read, you read, but other people can read you well. And so putting out the videos aren't all that helpful for for that, if that's your goal. I do think LinkedIn is is awesome. And one more thing on that, the videos. Also, you're putting out a lot of personality there that may actually not even be that much your normal everyday personality. But you have, in order to be engaging in people to watch your videos, you have to have a little bit more personality in order to make that happen. And so you may be putting something out there that isn't truly your you, and and it might be off-putting to potential companies, right, that could potentially hire you.
00:28:11
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LinkedIn, I think if you're going for CRM and and you want to move up the ranks into management, LinkedIn is is an excellent resource. For me personally, I keep it just like Bill and Andrew were saying with the signature, as clean as possible. I don't do anything, any politics. I don't put on anything that has anything to do with outside of ah outside of my professional world, outside of work. So I keep LinkedIn very clean. I do that also with all social media, just because that's just who I am. I i use my my personal social media to connect with friends. I've lived in different places in the world and or in the country. And I have family all over the world, actually, and I want to connect with them. And so I try to keep it as just
00:29:02
Speaker
None is possible and fun is possible. And I actually very rarely post. I just encourage people with comments and and sometimes I'll post things about my family, but that's it for LinkedIn. I've seen it start going another direction recently where people are getting more and more political. They're putting out some of their personal, which if it's related to professional, I think that's a good idea. But LinkedIn really is supposed to be a professional social media site. And so I just I think You know, I don't think we would be doing any favors for to our listenership if we weren't saying, especially for young in in your careers, just be careful what you put out there and how you comment and and post. And also remember, whatever you like and whatever you comment on, LinkedIn more than any other social media, you can see it. So if you're if you're connected with somebody,
00:29:55
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They can see everything that you're doing. Sometimes you can see that on Facebook. You really can't see it on Instagram. So even if you're not posting something, if you respond to it, if you have an impression or you like it, it comes up immediately in the other person's feed. So just be conscious of that. So, you know, I appreciate what Heather's saying and definitely if you're using the internet, man, it's got to be really clean. One of the key pieces about the internet though is that you can feed it what you want it to know about you and then it just like broadcasts it, right? You can either amplify it or it can keep it at a low level of vibration. so
00:30:33
Speaker
When you're doing something like LinkedIn, one one critical thing to think about is that it's not just a way to show yourself. You can also pack it full of other meta tags and other stuff that'll give you information about like the kind of person that you want to become. like You want to move into these different spaces. So the internet, it's super easy to fake and pretend like you're doing something, but it's also super easy to you know set the stage for what you will become. And so when you're talking about your career,
00:31:02
Speaker
A good thing is to kind of look at the kind of jobs that you're looking for, look at the kind of industries that you're looking at, and then in the descriptions of what you do and the things that you've done to actually use those kind of words if you've done them, right? Of course, it's like a resume. You don't really want to lie. You want to tell the truth, but if you've done something like survey and it's called a class one survey in the state where you're at, and you've done some of that in your field school or something like that,
00:31:26
Speaker
One way would be to say that you have you know introduction to class one survey and to keep putting that in different locations in your LinkedIn profile. The other thing too that's great about LinkedIn is it's like like a phone book basically for CRM companies in your state, for different people who work and do archaeology in your state.
00:31:44
Speaker
And so you can use the search function and and find people who are active in your state, people that work for different agencies, and then you can kind of look at the things that they've done in their career as kind of an idea of how they got to where they're at. But you can also start building kind of like indices of people who work at different companies. Now, another thing that's interesting about LinkedIn is like a lot of times it's the people who are kind of higher up in the companies are the most likely to have robust LinkedIn profiles. And then there will be a bunch of people who haven't really done much with it.
00:32:14
Speaker
So, if you're starting out, it's good to try to fill out yours as well as possible. So, you can also put e-books if you've written them on there. You can also put different you know things that you've written, things there are presentations you've given at conferences. You can put those kind of things on your profile as projects and as examples of your work. And then, you know probably the most important thing when you're starting out is to get endorsements. So, at the very bottom of LinkedIn, you can have other people who know you write a short endorsement of you.
00:32:42
Speaker
So, you know, people can use it the reverse way. When you apply, they look you up and then they look through the index of like who do they know that you might have in common so that you can reach out to this other person because archaeology is a pretty small field, right? So, if you're on LinkedIn, you're applying, you put your LinkedIn profile in your application. if it's appropriate, they click on it, look at it, they're going to scroll through and say like, oh, who else do they know? And then if they know that person, then that's a pathway that they can kind of inquire like, you know, hey, is this worth interviewing this individual? They say that they do Zuark. Is that true? Like, do you have any idea about that? So what's going on with this? They said that they've, you know, been part of this different kind of organization. Is that true? They can do that informally and kind of get information kind of from your references.
00:33:27
Speaker
Now, of course, if you're an employer, you can't really do that if they're applying applying a lot of time. and It's it's kind of you know against the law to discriminate against people buy based on stuff that you see on the internet. right so If you see something off-putting, you can't really use that, especially if you're working for a government agency. You can't really use that in your basis on refusing that candidate because you're not really supposed to be doing that. You're supposed to be focusing on the materials they've submitted to you.
00:33:53
Speaker
but If you're cold calling and you're just looking for pathways to get into the field, it's, you know, people are going to reach out to folks that they know and say, hey, is this person crazy? Or are they good? You know, are they someone that I should really think about? Or is this just, you know, hot air that they're ah blowing in my face, right? So LinkedIn has got a lot of different mechanisms And once again, because it's oriented towards people in their careers, it's not like yeah wallowing around in Facebook or looking at everyone's time vacuum videos that they've created on Instagram and how beautiful they look at the archaeology site. This is, you know, you can actually kind of use this to build, strategize for your career, build a persona for yourself and to identify jobs that you might be able to take in your area.
00:34:38
Speaker
I would just add to that, probably we're not none of us, as far as I know, are in the sort of freelance, sole trader aspect of work at the moment. But yeah, I would actually add there's some of those disadvantages of social media can actually be a real advantage in that area. So in the sense of you know echo chambers, if you're not real well known, an echo chamber can be a good way where I don't know if you're going into GIS and archaeology, getting into that social media sort of area, that those groups, maybe you're into Roman pottery or something like that. And again, you know, it allows you to sort of pick out those little niches and hopefully you're able to introduce yourself to other people and in a ah positive light. So, you know, those echo chambers can be a good way to be become known
00:35:34
Speaker
in a particular topic or a particular subfield, I guess the the key part there is known. You kind of want to be known in a positive light as opposed to a negative light. But yeah, I was just going to say, i've on the other end of things, I have gone and done projects where I've, so about two, three years ago, did a big illustrator project and a lot of the illustrators I ended up contacting were people I'd seen on Twitter.
00:36:04
Speaker
I was like, Oh, that's a really cool illustration and happened to have been following them. And so, um, social media can be quite good for loose bonds is what it's called or loose affiliations. Essentially there's, there's a whole bunch of research on this where basically it's better for, you know, getting referrals actually comes from people who vaguely know you and instead of really know you because the people who really know you, you know, you're close with them.
00:36:34
Speaker
You're interacting with them all the time. You're going to know the same opportunities that they are, but the people who are sort of loosely connected to you will more likely to have, know about other opportunities and be able to pass that along. So it can be quite helpful for sort of freelance work or, you know, sole trader work.
00:36:51
Speaker
And occasionally it can be helpful for you know getting jobs as well if you're just sort of an employee and and trying to look to go to a different employer. So with LinkedIn, you know look at that certain people that can provide you information that are going to be posting regularly. One thing is the state historic preservation officer, other maybe You know, professors that commonly post you'll see other people that are connected with them that you're connected with. And if you see that something that's interesting to you, or you think it's going to be helpful for you that. These entities are posting articles then.
00:37:27
Speaker
then definitely connect with them it's a little different than other social media where you're really just focusing on people you know or you've met before in linkedin it's very common to actually be connected with people that you are not connected with yet and then the other thing is a lot of companies do take linkedin they mine linkedin I mean, and i this isn't anything new, I'm sure everybody knows this, but it really does come into play when they're trying to find people to fill positions. So it isn't just about you knowing that a position's out there, it's that companies are looking at you as a potential candidate for a position they need to fill, even before they post it sometimes. So making sure that your profile's up to date.
00:38:09
Speaker
And that you do have endorsements if you can, if that is something that you want and endorsements that are that are relevant to where you are in your career right now, not something that was posted like when you graduated from college and now, you know, your skill sets a lot sometimes and.
00:38:25
Speaker
irrelevant and outdated endorsement, depending on what the information is, can actually be more of a detriment to you than a help. So just making sure that everything is up to date. If you are looking for a job, because companies will go into into LinkedIn and they will pull what you call the LinkedIn resume. And I've noticed that some people that just don't, and I don't really put much on LinkedIn, but but I'm not looking for a job either. So, you know, sometimes people's LinkedIn profile can be completely blank because they don't have any information in there. So make sure you update that if you are looking for a job. I'd also say yeah with the sort of following people, uh, generally you have to be somewhat careful on that depending on where you are in your career. So I, you know, like I have a pre-lockdown Facebook account that's personal. So I don't usually like people from sort of work
00:39:16
Speaker
Interactions try to f friend me. I just ignore them, unfortunately. Or yeah if I know them well enough, I'll just message and say, hey. Can you get on LinkedIn? um Well, I am on LinkedIn because I have to be on LinkedIn because I manage the fame LinkedIn page. But I literally, I just have like a semi-name there. I literally just say, I don't use this account.
00:39:42
Speaker
Oh, got it. Okay. look Look for me elsewhere. So I like to do something like that. But you're also in terms of that following, you know, students, if you're just a student, you know, generally not there there could be sort of that professional and, you know,
00:39:59
Speaker
off. you know Social media can be more open and less professional as well, so some people can feel weird about you know their their students friending them or you know following them, various things like that, or vice versa. you know It can be a bit weird with like you know supervisors or you know professors coming to follow your social media. So I think it could be a bit of a double-edged sword and you should definitely think about who you're following and if there's any sort of awkwardness that might might cause.
00:40:30
Speaker
In the professional setting, it's it's very typical for people that are in the same companies to or in the same professional realm to be connecting with each other. I think it's a little different than Facebook. But I do understand the student-professor relationship. i I totally get that. But I think, you know, I've always been connected from people that are my peer group to the CEO. And it's actually helpful because you understand, you know, there's one thing about your career where you're trying to get a job. So you have your career and your environment of trying to get a job and understanding CRM in general. And then when you become
00:41:07
Speaker
you know When you have a job and you have a place at a company, having an understanding of the company on the LinkedIn side, it really is helpful, depending on the company. But if the company is very active on LinkedIn, there's companies that very much push. In fact, the last company I was in, they expected you to be posting, to be forwarding their messages, to be you know talking about the projects that you've, yeah promoting the company on LinkedIn. That is a very common thing.
00:41:36
Speaker
So, if you're in the business, it's not uncommon to be connected with your supervisors at all levels. Yeah, I don't ever connect with my students until they get a job and they're professionals. I never follow them or ever look them up on social media. I never engage whatsoever on the internet with students whenever possible. You're never going to guess, but I do the exact same thing. oh And when you look them up on like Facebook or an Instagram, people know that you've looked them up. That's the other thing that's funny. yeah This happens on a regular, like if we win a bid and I'll always know that who were the other bidders. If it wasn't, it's not a common knowledge because all of a sudden I start getting all these.
00:42:24
Speaker
All these people looking up my LinkedIn at profile. so Just you know be know that. I know there are certain levels of LinkedIn where you can be hidden, but if they're on the same level at LinkedIn, they'll know if you're looking at their profile. Sometimes it's not a big deal, but just know that. All right. As we move into slight stalker territory, we'll we'll end this segment and come back into our third segment with ah some more things on how we do our signaling.
00:42:53
Speaker
All right, welcome back for our third segment. And this one, we're going to talk about publishing and societies. And yeah, so guys, where do you publish? If you do publish and you actually think about it in terms of signaling, you know, wherever it is to colleagues or other members of the profession.
Publishing and Academic Ties in CRM
00:43:19
Speaker
I'm assuming, well, I don't know, Andrew, I know you do publish because you'd like to, you don't necessarily have to. And I believe Bill, you no longer have to ever again. I'm pretty sure once you have 10. No, at Cal it's a grinder. You can't stop. Never stop. And then also Heather, because you know you're you're in CRM, but also there's a lot of places, you know, a lot of CRM people probably put out as much
00:43:46
Speaker
output if not more than most academics in terms of publishing. So where do you guys publish and why? I think, you know, I publish wherever they'll have me basically. And but publishing is such a dynamic changing field right now. I mean, like right now, you know, it's just all over the place. So it's funny. It's like I can't even I can't even give people good tips because it's like in six months, it'll be it'll be a different thing. oh I would just basically say just just write first and foremost, you know, and like write what you need. And then when it comes to publishing, just try and
00:44:24
Speaker
Kind of follow what others have done and how's this for a cliche? Keep an open mind because there's so much variety there. You can publish on Amazon. You can you know publish on a blog like we we did a whole show on publishing a while back, I think like maybe two years ago or something. And that's that's all I would say. There's there is no like obvious path in publishing. There's there just isn't.
00:44:47
Speaker
You know, even even the old school, I even find that the old school journals and stuff, it's like, yeah, whatever. But but don't even worry about that, I would say. Just just go to where it seems you fit, if that makes any sense. Yeah, I mean, I guess the it's different where I'm at. ah There is a pretty clear trajectory that you've got to publish. And I don't think that anyone is like looking at the actual rank and saying, Oh God, this isn't a higher enough impact score. And for impact score essentially is some shenanigans they invented. That's a combination of how many people read or slash download. Cause we know that you can beef up impact score by just forcing. If you had a class that out a thousand students and you force them to download your article magically, you're so much more relevant than someone else, right? But that doesn't mean anyone's actually read your stuff, but there's impact score.
00:45:42
Speaker
which, you know, is is some kind of thing they've created that's a combination of how many times people have downloaded it, how many places subscribe to that magazine, and then, you know, how often folks cite you in their writings, right? So, once again, with the meta tags and all the other junk that you get people to cite you. So, there's that whole piece. But, you know, there was – there's no clear, like, number of publications that I have to to write, but I do have to write. And you know, at the end of the year, they're going to ask me every other year, at least, what'd you do? And if it's if it's not writing and and doing research, which is publishing, then I'll get, you know, not really fired, but like a demerit, right? I won't get promoted. They'll be like, well, you need to try harder next time. And so, you know, when when it comes to places,
00:46:32
Speaker
whatever in your subfield is read by a lot of different places that's published by some of the bigger journals, you know, if you're in academia, if you're a graduate student, those are good places to yeah get your stuff published. The other thing is your own book, regardless of if anyone ever reads it, writing your own book somehow is like the the the the holy grail, right? And also that it's in some nerdy academic press that guarantees no one's ever going to read it rather than yeah you know, something that will get millions of people read that like, oh, well, that's just that's just pop culture. That's popular writing. It could be the same darn thing. And it's published in a million people read it. It's on Oprah's book club. Well, that's not good enough. Nope, that's horrible. It needs to be with the University of Nowhere Press so that they can sell it for $170 and no one will ever read it. Right. So those things matter a lot for like my job. But I would say the most important thing
00:47:26
Speaker
when it comes to publishing is if you do a project, you got to write a technical report. And it's really a good idea to follow your state's guidelines of what the pieces of the report are. So if you do a field school, you should write a technical report. No one's ever going to make you do that if you do a field school. But in academia, you should write a technical report because it's crazy the amount of projects that have happened that never turned into an article or a book.
00:47:51
Speaker
and no one has any idea whatever happened with that project but then like sometimes you'll hear whispers of it like oh the so-and-so project and you're like well what's that where does that ever oh it only lives in someone's sporadic notes that they never published so writing a technical report is a critical piece like that's the only thing that I think people really do need to publish and then if you're in academia talk with your department about how crazy they want you to be and how high the hurdle they want you to jump because they'll have a metric And they'll tell you what it needs to be, right? So, just just really writing up your work that's the true differentiator between being a looter and an archaeologist is showing your work. amen It's essential. It's an ethical responsibility that archaeologists have. and
00:48:36
Speaker
I think that sometimes people forget that from the academic, well, I mean, they forget that across both sides, but in the academic world, they're doing a field school and, you know, they don't publish and then they don't also put it into the database for that states.
00:48:52
Speaker
You know, reporting and site records, and you know it's it's really important because without that record, others are going to go there. You know, they're not going to know what has been conducted prior and maybe they don't see anything and they.
00:49:07
Speaker
give the green light on a project and here there was a village there and it was not known. This, you know, communication across CRM to academia and vice versa is not there like it should be. And so that date, the database for each state is essential. You have to update that. And then as far as CRM goes, I always have the best of intentions to publish. I do publish a lot, but it's in that database where we publish i mean i'm using the term published loosely but i write eight. Unbelievably amount of you know large amount of of reports our team does and just don't have time because the next project comes along and you gotta move on and writing an academic articles different than writing a report and so having to package it differently take some time and it takes a passion to do that in it in serum it's not
00:50:04
Speaker
There are some companies that do focus on that and I think it's great, but it depends on what your role is. If your role is business development and continuing to bring in work, it's very difficult also to be publishing and focusing on that on that side of things. So maybe having someone within your company that does that and you encourage that and and support them in it. but i have published very little, although I've written a considerable amount, I just haven't had the time to publish it in an academic world. So, but then again, it's not necessary for my position like it would be for Andrew or Bill. I mean, there's a lot of people, so especially in CRM, you'll publish like at the local journal. So like your your state journal, your state archaeological organization, was it, it's the California Journal of Archaeology?
00:50:54
Speaker
Journal of Californian Archaeology. I can't remember the order, but I'm pretty sure those three words are somehow mixed together. But you know there's a yeah there's there's certain places and you know some people use that as a way to get their name out there, but it sounds like for everyone here, no one actually like sort of publishes as a way of of trying to sort of promote show off interest or show off professionalism or anything like that. You you just do it for different reasons.
00:51:24
Speaker
Is that correct? Am I reading everyone right? Yeah, I think so. And it's funny. It's like, yeah, you do you do publish, you you know, different publications for different reasons. Like i I published my textbook just because I was like, dude, I like there's not a textbook that I really like. So I'm going to make my own, you know. But then, of course, there's the more academic publishing or the stuff that, you know, Bill's talking about where you yeah write up your stuff that just goes in different places. It almost takes a different mind. Like it's a different skill set writing some of that stuff. So, yeah, it's. Yeah.
00:51:55
Speaker
kind of every place in its time. I try not to take myself too much because I keep thinking to myself, I should be publishing this. there We have worked some on some amazing projects so that if it was in the academic world, it would be a tremendous you know opportunity to to publish on that project. But i it's so difficult. i I don't even have enough time to do the work that I do have on my plate, let alone publish and package it. And let's be honest, I can't go and take a report, a CRM report. and publish it as an article. It's not the same thing. So you do have to take some time to repackage it. And for a lot of people in CRM, we just don't have the time to do it. And so unfortunately, there's a lot of work that gets hidden because in academia, I don't see unless they're working on a project. I don't i don't know why academics would be going in and and looking at the statewide you know database.
00:52:52
Speaker
on a regular basis. It's not like they're going there to find information or to, you know, be interested, you know, to to look at different, I don't know, just different articles out of their own curiosity. That's not the way the database is set up. So it's not even organized in that way. It's organized on location. So, yeah, it's a shame because there's, I think, a lot of really amazing work that's happening in the CRM world that's not, is isn't even known because of that.
Engagement with Professional Societies and Conferences
00:53:21
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Yep.
00:53:22
Speaker
Well, i I was expecting you guys to have a little bit more on that, and maybe my next one's going to be a dance squid as well. but know Part of like publishing is also you know being parts of societies and stuff like that, and being parts of organizations. you guys is Again, one of those everyone does it for a bit of work thing, or do you guys actually sort of think about what organizations you join?
00:53:44
Speaker
you know, relate to archaeology and and yeah what conferences you go to and and which ones you present at. Or is it, again, you know, something you do for work and it's not really thought out as a signaling professionalism?
00:53:58
Speaker
I think the answer is yes to all. And for me, over time, again, I'm at a point in my career where I'm pretty like, you know, I just got my 20 year pin at Moore Park College. So I'm like the old man archaeologist now. Hey, come, students, come listen to old man Andrew. He'll talk about the 1990s, you know, so.
00:54:20
Speaker
In terms of where I'm at, I've, you know, there's certain organizations like the triple A's, the American Anthropological Association. I've just never liked them very much. Yeah. Deal with it. Triple A's deal with it. So I haven't been a member forever and you know what? I don't care. but And it hasn't affected my, my job or my career at all. Cause I find places like that so divorced from reality a lot of times, you know, that and we're here on the CRM.
00:54:46
Speaker
archaeology podcast? Like, do they even know what CRM is? Or are they busy writing their 14,000 paper on neo Marxism in the, you know, in ah South America or something? It's just like, I don't know, I'm sick of that crap. So I don't, I'm not a member of them. The SAAs are largely like that in a lot of ways, but not as bad. Although I haven't really been a member for a while. I find that The local groups are the best. Like the smaller ones are the best. Like I'm a member of the California Archaeology Society for California Archaeology. And I love that one because it's local because and it's reasonably priced. Places like the Triple A's are freaking expensive as hell. Am I going to dump hundreds of dollars a year on that crap? Forget it. You know, and I just hope I do think
00:55:36
Speaker
that some of the younger academics will kind of follow my lead on this because I think they're ah sometimes much more thoughtful in terms of like kind of value for money where older academics with the money they just keep paying for the triple A's because that's quote unquote just what you do and I'm like well you know what what does this really get you.
00:55:56
Speaker
And I know, especially the triple A's, I will prattle on about the triple A's all day because I just I'm tired of them. They need to update. They're they're still living in 1964, you know. So anyway, that's how I feel on that. like I feel the Twitter pile on.
00:56:14
Speaker
i over the triple anything I'm tired of it. Like, like, I'm like enough. Like yeah go do your, you know, go do your practice theory as it applies to something I don't give a shit about wherever, you know.
00:56:28
Speaker
Uh, Andrew, if I cut you off before you like dig a really deep grave. Yeah. The triple A's are, they're so powerful, man. They're so powerful. You might come get me in their walkers, you know, like whatever. For CRM, you know.
00:56:45
Speaker
I've worked at companies that really put a lot of emphasis on on these academic, because they are academic. i mean there's you see The SCAs are probably a little bit better, like Andrew said, as far as having professionals, CRM professionals that are that are presenting. Honestly, I find them much better. There's no comparison. For sure. Yeah.
00:57:05
Speaker
But i i've kind of to me, I see the archaeology societies as far as going to the conferences as something that is enjoyable for me. and it's ah And it's good for finding potential candidates to fill positions. But as far as business development, it's not helpful. I mean also another another aspect that's good with these associations and going to conferences is teaming opportunities, right? You may have so somebody who focuses on geoarchaeology and that's not something you don't have somebody on staff that does that so now you have an opportunity to team with and another the professional that can fill a need for a few of your projects and so it's helpful there but as I don't think that the conferences, i if I go, I go because it's fun for me to do it. And if I'm looking for looking to hire somebody and also to give back because I i like doing, a I love, you know, giving back and helping students grow professionally. But when it comes to the business side of things, they're not helpful. So really my focus on conferences is outside of archeology.
00:58:12
Speaker
So who are my potential clients? So I'm going to planning associations and environmental science, you know, association conferences, presenting at those. I presented those way more than I ever present at a archaeology conference because you are preaching to the choir. Basically, you're if my job is to develop business, then that's not a good use of my time.
00:58:38
Speaker
fair enough all right well with the last five minutes yeah so these conversations and definitely went in ways i didn't I was not expecting when I i put this topic together. I did not think we were going to do a whole segment on your email footers. So just to pull that pin in that grenade and toss it in there for that those last couple of minutes, what are things that we haven't talked about that you guys actively think about when you're you're presenting yourself? yeah we've We've covered email footers, we've We've talked about a range of things. Previous episode, we did clothing and stuff like that, but what are things that we haven't covered yet?
00:59:15
Speaker
I just have one kind of wrap up quick thing that we've touched on throughout this. And I think Heather said it a few times. I think we probably all have, which is just to have a far reaching plan, whatever it is for all this stuff. You know, where do you see yourself in five years? Where do you see yourself in 10 years? And how do you get there? Like make professional choices. ah You know, um we didn't even talk about I forget. I don't think we talked about the actual email addresses. You know, you don't want to keep your like, sexy baby 2009, you know, email dot.com, like you want to have a professional email you know name. So I just I just want to kind of leave it with that. As far as I'm concerned, think long term, you know, think about think about presenting yourself in a professional manner to build on it for the next several years. And where do you want to ultimately be? Right? No pressure.
01:00:11
Speaker
Just figure out the rest of your life first, you know, and where you want to be and build towards it. Yeah, one of the things that I do is I just kind of just take an unassuming approach and I'm just myself and you'll find real quick the personality of the people you're talking to because if you just be in yourself, a nondescript person is talking to someone and they treat you poorly or they treat you like you're a student or they treat you like you're just some kind of field tech or that you don't know what you're talking about. That means that person is not giving people respect in just everyday life.
01:00:43
Speaker
Then when they find out that you're a professor and where you work and all this other stuff and you have a PhD and been doing it 20 years so and their attitude changes, that tells you a lot about who that person is as as an individual. Don't forget that. When you're having a conversation and they treat you poorly or they disregard you or they just blow you off and then all of a sudden they find out something about you, that that's, you know, a two-faced individual, right? An actor and don't ever forget that about that individual.
01:01:12
Speaker
but That's such a good piece of advice. I actually was thinking something very similar to that. So yeah, definitely know where you want to go. Understand that that may change over time. Definitely it's better to say less than too much because you can't it's difficult to walk it back. When you're presenting yourself, yes, it's important that you're knowledgeable, but more important than that is that are you pleasant to work with? And so you want to present that. You want to be very careful and protective of your persona in that way.
01:01:46
Speaker
Are you somebody that is going to be pleasant or at least that people would perceive as pleasant to work with? Obviously you want to be pleasant, but sometimes you on You may be very pleasant to work with, but um but sometimes you project something differently. And so just be careful how you present yourself. And then the other thing I would say in this, especially in this day and age, but it's something that I think we've lost over time, is stay away from politics, stay away from things that that tend to divide people. And you can certainly have very strong beliefs on, you know,
01:02:22
Speaker
Political topics, but it's really not a good place to be discussing them is at work and it just Yeah, it's just not a good idea. So for me, every team that I've been a part of, if I've had any influence, I've always, through example, never talked about anything political. i I've tried to be as apolitical as possible. And I find that people take a big deep breath and they're thankful for it. So that's not to say that you shouldn't have political leanings or that you shouldn't be active politically. You can be that. It's just not a good idea to do it and at work.
01:03:01
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I, for one, have been trying to bring the wig party back for years, but I'm just getting no traction.
01:03:09
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All right. They need to talk about the wig party anymore. I know. Yeah, exactly. They need to. I mean, where? I guess I guess I'm by myself. You're just dating yourself. So I'm dating myself. 1789 it was.
01:03:25
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yeah Oh, no, it could go a little later. I think that didn't they last until like the 1830s? I think they're right. Yeah, they did. But they knew the writing was on the wall. Nobody was voting for him by then. And no, it was a 1850s because the Republican Party like somewhat replaced them. It's right. that's right Yeah.
01:03:47
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so There's a tight 70 year range. You've just stayed yourself to there until they have. ah All right. And so for segment four, we'll be talking about the wig party.
01:03:58
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Once again, stay away from anything political. We're not listening to Heather. Yeah, well, Andrews are already probably I believe Bill is giving a a keynote at Triple A's. I'm not going to be there. I haven't been a member for years. ah They can kick me out. Oh, wait, they can't. yeah Yeah, I'm officially gonna kick Bill out though, like by association, man. I hope you don't get me in trouble again. I totally am dude.
01:04:36
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yeah All right. So after we've ignored our advice kind political on on the triple A's, I think that's going to be a wrap. All movements can be sent to Andrew Kinkella.
01:04:56
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ah professional What's what is it? um Rate my professor. Is it the chili peppers or? Yeah. Oh boy. Oh boy. They've taken away the chili peppers. did Oh, it's pointless now. I should go to that website. That's what you were aiming for. It's probably who just stand me there. I know.
01:05:16
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bill You probably don't want to go there. Oh, We're moving into the last few minutes here, right? I got yeah one last thing to say. This is being recorded on August 11th. It's my son's birthday today. He's going to be 14 today. Happy birthday. Yeah, he was a tiny baby when Doug and I first started on the podcast, so it's cool to see, you know, someone who was a baby that was unable to talk, now be a fully fledged teen who just won't talk to me. yeah And also, ah it we're recording on Sunday, but Wednesday is Doug's daughter's first day of school. So the podcast is moving down the road, boy oh boy.
01:06:00
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Comes at you fast. Yeah. My daughter's learning how to drive, dude. That's a like her first day of school of 11th grade is Wednesday, too. Holy cow. And now we're old, old people on here. Yeah. Yeah. But that's also how long the podcast has been on, you know, more than a decade. Oh, that's so crazy. Kids are growing up with the show. Yeah.
01:06:24
Speaker
I'm pretty sure we're going to have to cut them some residuals at some point as well. Yeah, no joke. That's all we need. Yeah, except pretty sure your kids, my kids have definitely been on this podcast coming in as we're talking, yelling something. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, with that, let's wrap this up, guys. Thank you to the listeners. Thank you.
01:06:50
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Wait, just thank each of the listeners and then we'll see you in the field. That's how Chris says it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, good job. Yeah. Yeah. Totally did not put that out as a question. We're just going to pretend like that was said perfectly with no hesitation.
01:07:11
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01:07:39
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01:08:05
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