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Episode 22: The Story of Steven Stayner Part 1
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Happy Monday Guys!
Today, Lana tells Ellie the first part of an AWFUL story.
TRIGGER WARNING: Sexual Assault of a child.
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Timothy White (abduction victim) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayne
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Introduction to Scared But Curious Podcast
00:00:04
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Hey guys, I'm Lana. And I'm Ellie. And welcome to Scared But Curious.
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Holiday Preparations and Exhaustion
00:02:27
Speaker
Good afternoon. Good afternoon. How are you? How are you? Oh, well, wow. We just both really want to know how each other is. I'll let you go first. Oh, um, yeah, I'm good. Because I don't. That's good.
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah, I'm good. Doing Christmas shopping, doing all the festive things, wrapping presents, which I am very anal about wrapping presents. And it's a calming thing for me. So I put on the baking championship and I just wrap presents. And of course, my husband always calls me the Pinterest mom because my presents
00:03:11
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I, I go all out. Yeah. Yes. So the present, the wrapping presents takes me an entire week because I, yeah. You make sure that it, okay. Well, tell me a perfectionist without telling me you're a perfectionist. So true though. How's your week? How's your weekend?
00:03:38
Speaker
I feel like that might be a very loaded question. I'm alive. I'm living the dream. Yeah. Hanging in there. I mean chronic illnesses, am I right? Yeah, that and the holidays just kind of
00:03:56
Speaker
I hate to be like a bahumbug or like a Grinch or something, but like I'm not. I do my best to stay as festive as possible and be like, yay, holidays, but holy shit. I'm exhausted by the time it actually gets here. Like I'm ready for it to be over. And I'm like, that shouldn't be how that is. Yeah.
00:04:14
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like that is how everyone feels.
Cookie Opinions: Love, Hate, and Humor
00:04:19
Speaker
We just put on a happy face. Because I'm the same way. I'm like, yay. But then I'm also like, okay, but I'm also going to make 20. 20 dozen cookies is what I almost just said. Not making 20 dozen cookies. That's a lot. I'll make two. I'll make two dozen cookies. That's about all I got. There we go. But not 20 dozen.
00:04:41
Speaker
No, 20 doesn't. Are they all gonna be the same or are you just gonna like 20 doesn't have the exact same cookie? They're just those nasty ass loft house cookies. If anybody likes loft house cookies, get out of here. Get out of here. No, you don't. No, you don't. Hold on. Hold on. I need to do a Google. Hold on.
00:05:02
Speaker
They're the ones that you get at the store, the like sugar and nasty ass sugar cookies you get at the store. Those ones, those nasty ones. I know exactly. I never knew what they were called and I'm now going to go to bed smarter than I did yesterday. Than you did yesterday. Those are disgusting. I agree. What the fuck is going on with those things? I don't know, but they're disgusting. They're like wet and dry and sandy and disgusting.
00:05:29
Speaker
all at the same time. Take them. My husband loves them. You have to have a drink on hand. Yes, my husband loves them. Oh, so does Kelsey. And I, every time I'm like, ew, no, I could make you better cookies. I have a bite of one and I go, oh, I remember why I don't like these. Okay, there you go. I don't trust a cookie that has like a seam on the bottom because of that mass produced.
00:05:52
Speaker
Yes, literally this intro has just turned into my rant about cookies. But like also you know that they're like let's say chips ahoy. Those are some mass produced cookies and somehow are better. I also don't like the chewy ones though. I don't like the chewy ones. I'm talking about the crunchy ones.
00:06:12
Speaker
Those are the ones I don't like are the crunchy ones. They have no flavor. They taste like cardboard. I don't like the chewy ones. They have like a residue. No, they do have a residue, too. I don't like any of them. But the crunchy ones, to me, just taste like cardboard. Well, I had to pick a crappy cookie that's like mass produced, and I couldn't think of one. Chips Ahoy was the only one that came to mind. Yep. Chips Ahoy. Can you tell they're not sponsors? You know what? You guys do you. Our opinion is not going to fuck up your income. I guarantee it. Anyway, I promise. Happy holidays. Here's some things I hate.
00:06:42
Speaker
No kidding, where did these go? Not trying to be a bahumbug or a Grinch drops the mic on every fucking thing that drives me insane. Let's talk about the Christmas songs, okay? Christmas music. Why the fuck is it always the same? They can also go to sing your Christmas music and eat your Loft House cookies. I don't care about you.
00:07:06
Speaker
Okay, no, but not serious. We just lost like 20,000 people. We didn't even have 20,000 listeners, but we lost them. No, we're in the negatives now. We actually are in the negatives now. There's people actually protesting outside of our houses. This hasn't even been published yet, and they're already protesting. They're already protesting, you know? That's like the beacon, the Batman signal came out to all the people that eat nasty-ass cookies, and they were like, these bitches right here. Yeah, it was like a little Christmas tree in the sky.
00:07:35
Speaker
Okay, but actually, speaking about good Christmas cookies, though, the freaking Pillsbury ones that you put in the oven, and they always have the pictures on them. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I will fuck those up. I'll die for those things. Literally. See, I'm still basic, but just not trashy. Well, I'm just teasing.
Steven Steiner Abduction Case
00:08:07
Speaker
But now we have to shift focus though, from holiday happiness to some absolute terrible people, right? Absolutely longer shit. Person, some people. So there are multiple, but also mostly just one because this guy's a fucking dickhead. Oh, great. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the story of Steven Steiner?
00:08:34
Speaker
I don't think I have I know the name but I can't. So this is going to be a pretty long case. This is going to be a two parter. But this first part is actually going to be shorter than how we normally do it where it's usually equal.
00:08:55
Speaker
But this part is going to be a little bit this first part is going to be a little bit shorter, but I just kind of want to set up everything. A lot of stuff happens in the second part that kind of can't be edited out like it just wouldn't flow right. Next week's is going to be a big in a big one.
00:09:14
Speaker
Yeah. I recently had gotten some news or some input, I should say, that they're happy. There are some people that are happy that we are not stopping for the holidays because a lot of the podcasts are. Oh, okay. Well, see, they also eat Loft House cookies.
00:09:42
Speaker
That's how we make it to the top. Attack all the other way. Look at us go. Okay. No, but that's fucking funny. Oh my gosh. That's hilarious. So let's just get right into it. So today we're going to talk about the case of Steven Steiner.
00:10:03
Speaker
This case is pretty well known, or at least I think it is for the people who were alive in the 80s. Because that's around the time that this case happened and was resolved. But this case was everywhere when it happened.
00:10:23
Speaker
So I'm going to put a trigger warning here for sexual assault of a child. Um, multiple, multiple children. Oh, so yeah. Yeah. So, and that's, that's pretty much, I think that's really the only trigger warning really. So, I mean, I thought that's a good thing. It's a bad trigger warning, but it's a pretty bad one. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:52
Speaker
But this case is insane. So buckle the fuck up and let's go. Because as soon as you think this story is done, it's not. Is it too late to leave? Yes, you're already buckled up. Enjoy the ride with your hands and feet in the vehicle at all times.
00:11:13
Speaker
And I'm sorry, but you're here. You're here for the long run. I am. I am here. I'm here and I'm queer. Get used to it. So Steven Steiner was born on April 18th, 1965, and was the third of five children. He was born to Delbert and Kaye Steiner.
00:11:43
Speaker
Did you just say Delbert? Yes, Delbert. That's a name. I know. Yeah, that's a name. That is a name, Delbert. I feel like every time I hear names like that, I wonder, like, was this, like, translated from a different language? And that's what it sounds like now. Like, for example, my grandfather's name, Clostendinos, in English, it's Gus.
00:12:09
Speaker
So weird. It's not a very attractive name when you translate it. Steven had three sisters and an older brother named Carrie. And by all accounts, Steven was a nice kid. And it was said that he liked to help whenever he could and whoever he could.
00:12:28
Speaker
So on December 4th, 1972, Stephen was walking home from school when a man named Ervin Edward Murphy stopped him and asked for his help. And I actually, in multiple different accounts, there were different names. So it was either Ervin Edward Murphy or Edward Ervin Murphy. So like switched. So I'm not too sure which one is the
00:12:56
Speaker
Um, which one is the right one, but this is the one I just found on more, on more of the sources. So that's what we're going to go with. So Ervin stopped Steven and asked for his help. And like we said, in the Moore's murders, adults don't need help from children. Remember that. Okay. Steven at this age, as we say this to probably other adults,
00:13:25
Speaker
But don't ask kids for help, dammit. Don't ask kids for help, stupid. And at this point, Steven is only seven years old. So you really don't need help from a seven-year-old. Seven-year-olds can barely do anything for themselves. What can he possibly do? Yeah, exactly. So we're going to talk a little bit about Ervin or Edward, whatever his name is. He was described by those who knew him
00:13:52
Speaker
as a trusting and naive man. And people who described him as, quote, a simple minded man. So that kind of tells you everything you need to know.
00:14:07
Speaker
wait simple-minded are they is that a nice way of them saying he may be a little bit slower than yeah yeah okay okay i'm like is what is what does exactly this mean he's just his elevator doesn't quite hit the top floor like he's not the brightest bulb in the tanning bed not the sharpest tool in the shed yeah i got you okay
00:14:33
Speaker
It was one time my aunt, she was trying to say that and she was like, he's not the brightest crayon in the toolbox. I love that. I actually love that. I want to say that he's not the brightest crayon in the toolbox. So like we said,
00:15:03
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Ervin was described as a simple-minded man. He was very trusting, didn't have, like you said, the elevator didn't go quite to the top floor. Gotcha. So when a man named Kenneth Parnell came up to Ervin at work and told him that he was an aspiring minister,
00:15:30
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He asked Ervin to help him abduct a young boy so that Kenneth could, quote, raise him in a religious type deal. What? And Ervin agreed.
00:15:50
Speaker
Yeah. Okay, so what I'm gathering right now is that there is a gentleman who may not be the quickest and maybe has a disability of some sort. Yes. And he's being manipulated by someone with ill intentions. Yes. Yeah. Ah, okay. Yeah. Damn. So Kenneth told Urban to pass out gospel tracts
00:16:20
Speaker
which I don't know what that is. I'm guessing it's like a pamphlet. I don't really know. I thought you were going to say you told Irvin to pass out. Period. Not the fuck out right now. So when you said gospel tracks, I'm like, wait, I wasn't ready for that.
00:16:50
Speaker
So when I first saw this too, I thought it was like CDs too. Like I thought it was like, it was his own like gospel, like he made some like gospel music. Like an eight track. Yeah, but this isn't it. It's like a pamphlet. So like we said, Kenneth told Irvin to pass out gospel tracks, pamphlets, to the boys walking home from school.
00:17:16
Speaker
And that he wanted Irvin to claim to be a church representative seeking donations so that he could- From children. Donations from children. Kinda, yeah. So, so Irvin saw little seven-year-old Steven Steiner and Irvin asked if his mother would be willing to donate items to the church. Okay.
00:17:41
Speaker
So Steven replied yes, Irvin asked if Steven wanted to ride home so that he could take the donations with him and Steven agreed. And a white Buick pulled up with Kenneth Parnell in the driver's seat. Steven got in willingly, but when the Buick started driving the wrong way away from Steven's house, he knew that something was wrong.
00:18:07
Speaker
Do you ever just take a moment to think about the amount of panic that that feeling must be? Like where they think everything's fine and then that one action that verifies that it's not fine. I'm like anxious and stressed for them and I'm not in that situation and I'm like, Oh my God. Yeah.
00:18:32
Speaker
So as you probably guessed, Kenneth Parnell was not an aspiring minister. Crazy, I know, who would have thought? Kenneth Eugene Parnell was born on September 26th, 1931 in Amarillo, Texas to Cecil Frederick and Mary Olive Parnell. Mary Olive, that's kind of a cool name. I know, I kind of love it.
00:19:00
Speaker
I kind of I got first I was like, Mary all actually marry all of I kind of like that. That's cute. Yeah. Okay. During the he was born during the Dust Bowl era, and during the Great Depression. Cecil Frederick Parnell went by Frederick mostly. So that's just what I'm going to call him whenever he comes up.
00:19:23
Speaker
It's just easier that way. So Frederick Parnell abandoned the family when Kenneth was only six and his family, his mom, two sisters, and a brother ended up moving to Bakersfield, California, where his mom Mary opened up a boarding house. And yeah, I'm like, okay, good for you. Apparently there are claims that he was molested at the age of 13 by a border in the house.
00:19:53
Speaker
but I can't actually find any concrete evidence for that. It was just later in an interview, like after all these crimes took place, he kind of said it, but yeah, again, there's no real concrete evidence for that. So just keep that in mind. And during this time, he was in and out of juvenile custody for car theft and arson. So, you know, starting off great.
00:20:23
Speaker
Geez, this is a rough start. It was one of those where if it had been a little bit, I think, later in life or like later in time, I don't think that this crime would have really happened because I feel like the warning signs were all there. Just no one was looking for them. Exactly. I mean, this all happened in the 70s. So, you know. Yeah. Yeah. This was probably before the word serial killer was even a thing. Exactly.
00:20:53
Speaker
Yeah. So Kenneth married 15-year-old Patsy Jo Dorton in 1949. How old is he? Yeah, if I remember correctly right now, he's 18, which isn't too bad, but this girl is still 15. I mean, it could be worse, but yeah, that's still a child, the hell of him. Yeah. So they were married in 1949, and by 1951, he had a daughter.
00:21:22
Speaker
The good times wouldn't last because in March of 1951, he was arrested for raping a young boy and impersonating a police officer. Kenneth. At the same time? Yeah. Kenneth said that he kidnapped and molested the boy because his wife was pregnant and he had to find another outlet. Kill him.
00:21:48
Speaker
Honestly, people like that, I think, is where castration should be an option. Because if you can't control it, you shouldn't have it. It's a child. Yeah, exactly. I can't even. It's bad enough that he, like, raped anyone but to rape a child.
00:22:12
Speaker
Exactly and they even I was reading it and they said that he got a a badge from like a military surplus store and then was like showing that like showed that to the kid and So he was impersonating an officer when he molested this little boy special place in hell for someone like that exactly and so like I said, he was arrested for this, thank God and
00:22:39
Speaker
But because, you know, the justice system is so good and so great, he was only sentenced to four years. What? Yeah. I know that was probably really loud. Sorry. It's fine. What? Four years for raping a child and impersonating an officer to do so? Are you fucking kidding me? Mm hmm.
00:23:09
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, that is disgusting. That makes my stomach hurt. And that's the thing too is this is not his, it's not like this was his only crime before he had been in juvie multiple times for burglary and arson. So it's not like it's his first crime. Like this, this is a story of a man gets away with too much. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker
I can't. This is more infuriating than Bruce, Bruce Turner. Let's try that again. Brock Turner. Like Brock Turner fucking pisses me off. I hate that guy. And the whole situation around him really pisses me off. Brock Turner is just infuriating and I have a feeling this guy might make me even more mad. Oh, oh, he will. While Kenneth was in prison,
00:24:06
Speaker
Patsy divorced him. And after he got out of prison, after those four years, he apparently got remarried, but there's no information about her. He actually apparently got married three times, but there's no more information about any of them. So after he gets out of prison, about 10 years later, we're gonna skip to about 10 years later, Kenneth would get arrested again.
00:24:36
Speaker
but this time for armed robbery in Utah. When armed robbery is a relief. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, Oh God, no. Okay. As armed robbery. Okay. Yeah. And his second wife would end up divorcing him while he was in prison for the second time.
00:25:01
Speaker
How the frickity frack is he getting these girls to begin with? I don't know. Like, what? I don't know. Is he attractive? Like, is he a good-looking guy? No. No, he's not. No, he's not. Oh, goodness. You can look up a picture of him. I'm going to do that right now. Oh, honey, no. So I don't know how long he was in prison for this time for armed robbery. But as we know, he was out by 1972.
00:25:31
Speaker
because that's when he would kidnap Steven. And around 1970, 1972, he was working for the Yosemite Lodge as a night auditor, where he befriended Irvin Edward Murphy. Now that we have his life story, we're going back to Steven now. Kenneth drove Steven back to his cabin in, I think it's called Cathy's Valley. So
00:26:01
Speaker
When Kenneth drove Steven back to his cabin, Kenneth would molest Steven the first night at the cabin, but would later start full on raping him. Many times, Steven called Kenneth many times during that first week that he wanted to go home, but Kenneth told Steven
00:26:24
Speaker
this makes me so upset. Kenneth told Steven that he was his legal guardian now, because his parents couldn't afford him and they didn't want him anymore. Yeah, dude, just when I think this guy can't get worse, he just keeps getting worse. Oh, and he will keep getting worse. What the fuck? Yeah, I hate it. I hate it so much. Yeah. So as time moved on, Kenneth renamed Steven
00:26:53
Speaker
to Dennis Gregory Parnell, which Steven's full name was Steven Gregory Steiner. So he kept his middle name to make it more, I guess,
00:27:07
Speaker
easy for Steven to remember what his name was? I don't know. Or like what his fake name was supposed to be? I don't know. And they would move around a lot. And Kenneth told everyone that Steven was his son. And Kenneth was even so cocky that he enrolled Steven in school.
00:27:29
Speaker
Yeah, like, and was and Steven was or whatever the heck he was going by. I'm gonna call him Steven. Yeah, I am Steven is was Steven like going along with it for his own safety? Or was he like, so I think so. I think so. I think first, I'm pretty sure he was I'm pretty sure he was conditioned. Um, got you. But I don't know. I I've heard
00:27:51
Speaker
conflicting things. Some say that he was conditioned, some say that he just did it for his safety. Some say that he just decided that like, okay, I guess we'll, you know, guess my parents don't want me. So
00:28:04
Speaker
Oh, so I'll get this person at least wants me. Oh, god, poor guy. I feel so bad for him. Yeah, yeah. Kenneth's treatment of Steven varied a lot. He would beat him. He would sexually assault him. And but then also he would spoil him. And they would have normal, quote unquote, father son time, like just going out and they'd go hunting and fishing and all the stuff you do with a dad.
00:28:34
Speaker
You know, it was so weird. And for 18 months, a woman named Barbara Matthias lived with them. It was, I'm guessing Barbara was like Kenneth's kind of live-in girlfriend at the time. But according to Steven, Barbara and Kenneth would rape him at the age of nine, multiple times, which Barbara, fuck you.
00:28:58
Speaker
Fuck both of these awful fucking, I can't even call them people. No. No. God. No, fuck Barbara. It's like you had a chance to tell somebody about this. Somehow people like this can find other people like them. It's beyond me. What? Again, like you always say, don't worry if they can find someone, you can find someone.
00:29:24
Speaker
No kidding. Geez, just be careful out there because these people exist. Fuck. Honestly. So later on, Kenneth allowed Steven to begin drinking at a very young age. And later on, years down the road,
00:29:41
Speaker
Steven was able to come and go as he pleased. This kid was kidnapped for years. And Kenneth had a full-time job during this time. And Steven, like I said, he was just able to come and go as he pleased. He even had friends over that they would hang out and they never suspected a thing.
00:30:03
Speaker
Steven's house was seen as like the hangout house because they could do drugs and alcohol there and party because Kenneth didn't care. And Kenneth was wasn't home during the night. He always had like a nighttime job. Don't know why. But yeah, so he was able to Steven was able to come and go as he pleased. But as Steven started getting older, Kenneth started to not get interested in him anymore. Oh, God, I hate that.
00:30:32
Speaker
I hate that, like he got too old for you because he's finally old enough. Yeah, you want to know how old he was? I think I talk about this later, but you want to know how old he was that was too old for him? Oh god, I'm guessing like 18, but I have a feeling it's going to be way younger and I'm going to be grossed out. 14. Oh my god. 14 was too old for him. Oh god. Yeah. I can't compute.
00:31:02
Speaker
God, 24 is too young for me. So Kenneth told Steven that he wanted to build his family. And as we know that that means he wanted to kidnap another boy. He had attempted to kidnap another boy with Barbara because fuck Barbara.
00:31:27
Speaker
But that failed. When I say damn it, Barbara, this is gonna have a whole new meaning. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I feel like we should have merged that just says like, fuck Barbara, or like, God damn it, Barbara. Yeah, we're gonna change Karen to Barbara. Literally the next level Karen's like, can I speak to your manager? But Barbara's like a fucked up Karen. Yeah, Barbara's like a fuck you character.
00:31:54
Speaker
I'm like, I'm sorry for every Barbara that's actually the sweetest person ever. Actually, one of my best friends, her grandma's name is Barbara, and she's the sweetest lady I've ever met. I was gonna say I can think of a couple barbers that are actually super sweet. And I feel bad for saying that. But in this scenario, fuck Barbara, Barbara.
00:32:14
Speaker
So when he tried to kidnap a little boy with Barbara, that failed. So he made Steven aid him in his adventure plot idea. I don't know. And Steven wasn't very good at it.
00:32:35
Speaker
and would always fail to grab the quote unquote target. And Kenneth would berate Steven for being incompetent and stupid and no good. But later in interviews, Steven admitted to intentionally sabotaging the kidnappings so that no kid would have to endure what he endured.
00:33:03
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is absolutely so sweet. Like, wow. Yeah. Wow. So thinking, Stainer.
00:33:13
Speaker
was an incompetent criminal. Kenneth persuaded Steiner's teenage friend, a boy named Randall Sean Poorman. And this is kind of another name that I've seen as Sean Randall Poorman or Randall Sean Poorman. But again, this was the most common one I saw. So Kenneth persuaded this kid into helping him
00:33:38
Speaker
By promising him drugs and money, this kid was 14 years old when he was helping Kenneth. This Randall kid was 14 years old. On February 13th, 1980, five-year-old Timothy White was playing outside his parents' house in Ukiah, California.
Steven's Plan to Rescue Timothy
00:34:01
Speaker
Randall saw him and tried to get him into Kenneth's getaway car. When little Timothy refused and attempted to run indoors, Randall shoved the boy against a chain link fence and then dragged Timothy into the car while the little five-year-old was kicking and screaming. I'm truly speechless.
00:34:33
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. I hate, I hate all of this. Kenneth then paid off Randall with the cash in marijuana, like he said he would, and then ordered Randall to leave and never speak of what they did. And at this point, Kenneth dyed Timothy's hair from blonde to dark brown
00:34:58
Speaker
and told him that his new name was Tommy because, you know, super original. No one's ever going to notice that. She's you know, you're cocky when I thank God he's cocky. Yeah. Timmy was, of course, very scared. And due to this, Stephen wanted to return the boy back to his family. He did not want this boy to
00:35:26
Speaker
go through the same stuff he went through. And that's where I'm gonna end the story for part one. Yeah, I have there's a sliver of hope. He is he gonna return this guy, he better fucking return this kid. Yeah, yeah, just like I said, I know this part was very heavy. Yeah. So like I said,
00:35:56
Speaker
This one is shorter.
00:35:58
Speaker
than part two is going to be. But like I said, there's a lot of information and not all that information is good. And it's a little, you know, trauma. So trauma trauma. Everybody grab your trauma buddies for part two. Honestly, it because it it gets a little bit worse. So, yeah. Yeah. And you ask how it got worse. Just just you wait.
00:36:27
Speaker
uh yeah and i know that this and i know that this case isn't very christmassy but
00:36:35
Speaker
I really wanted to get this case out there because it is such a important case. But also, yeah. It doesn't matter what time of the year it is. Every case is important to be told. Yep. And every victim's story needs to be told no matter if it's too sad for the holidays. Well,
00:36:59
Speaker
like, you know, this, that's the other thing too, is these cases are not just stories, they're people's lives. No. And people's lives that they've some like, I mean, I'm sure they've wondered how they've made it out the other end of some of these.
Episode Conclusion and Social Engagement
00:37:15
Speaker
I'm glad that the families that experienced this, the people that do experiences, I'm glad that they do make it out. Yeah. But it breaks my heart that they were ever put in that situation to begin with. Yeah, exactly. And so
00:37:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's where we're going to end today's case. Yeah, I'll see you next week. SBC out. SBC out.
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