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Episode 33: Kelly Cochran Part 2
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Happy Monday Guys!
I know you have been waiting for this all week, and I promise it was worth the wait! Hang on for more about this bonkers woman!!
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Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjBu57Brm
A killer confession: How a detective's unusual tactics led to uncovering the truth - ABC News
Kelly Cochran, The 'Devil Woman' Who Killed Her Lover And Then Her Husband
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Transcript
Introduction and Daily Chat
00:00:04
Speaker
Hey guys, I'm Lana. And I'm Ellie. And welcome to Scared But Curious. Happy Monday. Happy Monday. How are you doing? Doing pretty good. You're doing.
00:00:21
Speaker
I'm doing.
Packing Stress and Willy Wonka Whimsy
00:00:22
Speaker
Like I said last episode, I'm still in the process of packing and crap like that, which you guys can't see me, but I am panning as we speak right now. I'm baking right now, and you are too. Look at you.
00:00:46
Speaker
I'm hilarious. I see what you did there. That was a funny, that was a funny, that was a good one. I'm working really hard on it. So yeah, I had to, I look insane right now. So that's pretty much how my day's going.
00:01:04
Speaker
They can confirm you're looking a little wonky look a little wonky actually how is you look like you work for Willy Wonka? Like that freakin Willy Wonka Glasgow Oh
00:01:24
Speaker
There's been updates on that. I felt really bad for that one woman that was an oompa loompa that looked like she was hating her life. She looked like she was cracked out. But literally later on I saw another photo of her and she looks completely normal. She looks completely normal. She does not look like she's strung out in the photo and I'm like, oh honey, that was just a really unflattering photo that they got of you and they ran with it.
00:01:53
Speaker
And she was literally like, we're just people trying to survive, guys. Like, we were also
The Sinister Kelly Cochran Case Begins
00:01:58
Speaker
scammed in this. We didn't mean to talk. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Well, are you ready for part two? You bet your ass. I know that they've been waiting a week. I've been waiting maybe a couple hours and I'm ready. I'm ready for this. I'm ready to figure out what the hell's going on with Kali.
00:02:23
Speaker
Actually, that's a really cute name. I'm not gonna lie. That is actually Recauli. I think it's not a dog. Yeah, and a Border Collie. Border Collie. I think it's cute. Yeah. I'm never naming my kid Collie, actually. I think it's almost a list of that. They can't say Carly. It's Collie. It's Collie. They're too posh.
00:02:47
Speaker
But yeah, so let's get into this and then we can finally be done with this Kelly Cochran lady and I can get her out of my head forever.
Exotic Meats and Suspicion
00:02:57
Speaker
Let's finish this Kelly Cochran. Yeah, yep. I can just leave that in. Literally? All right, so if we remember,
00:03:14
Speaker
We weren't 100% sure, but the neighbors had just gone to a cookout.
00:03:21
Speaker
And there's exotic meats they'd never had before. And after this all came out and the families were piecing together all of the pieces, they were like,
Food Aversions and Hangover Stories
00:03:38
Speaker
oh my God. And there were people that couldn't even eat for months after this whole case broke.
00:03:44
Speaker
Like I totally get the hesitation of like maybe not wanting to eat after that, but also wouldn't you want to make sure like it's legit?
00:03:52
Speaker
Like you don't even know if it's real. Like you could just be psyching yourself out and he's not even actually- Oh, 100%, 100%. Like could it just like, their freezer that was full of like deer could have died or some shit and they had to eat all this food. But also you probably recognize the deer. That it's deer. But also, but also like for me, I have eaten, so one time, one time I threw up strawberry banana medication. And to this day I was literally, it has been 20,
00:04:23
Speaker
six years, something like that. I'm 29. It's been at least 20 years, then at least 20 years. And I still will not eat anything or drink anything that a strawberry banana flavored. So I mean, if you get that fucked up, your head too much. I mean, that's me with raspberry vodka. Oh my god.
00:04:46
Speaker
I can't. I can't. I can't. Way to call out my fucking 21st birthday. I also cannot do that. Literally, 23 was the last time I ever drank raspberry vodka and I was- 21 was the last time I ever drank raspberry vodka.
00:04:59
Speaker
I think 21 was probably the last time I had a hangover from Raspberry vodka, but 23 was when I said, fuck this, never again. I just like remembered all of the, well, as what I can remember from my 21st came back to me and I hate it because all I remember from my 21st is the day after being like, I hate this. And then actually my mother-in-law had given me, my mother-in-law had given me raspberry perfume for my birthday.
00:05:28
Speaker
And it smells the exact same as the fucking raspberry vodka. Imagine thinking that someone would like to smell like raspberry vodka.
00:05:41
Speaker
I imagine going, you know, this spray, this spray smells great. I bet my daughter in law would love to smell like this bottled alcohol. Why would you?
Tequila vs. Vodka: Humorous Preferences
00:05:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And so well, like, the thing is, is that no, I don't think she realized because she's smart enough. She's never had raspberry vodka before.
00:06:00
Speaker
She is smart. I think it did not smell like raspberries. Yeah. And she was like, Oh, and then I smelled it. And I was like, Oh, my God. Yeah. All I remember for my 21st birthday is the party beforehand, and then going, This is my elbow. And that's all I remember. That's all I fucking remember. That's fantastic. You know, I have a memory.
00:06:28
Speaker
my aunt she was I think she was drinking tequila and unfortunately it was Jose Cuervo of all tequila she could have been drinking like come on yeah come on anyway be better if you can't tell I do drink tequila if I'm drinking and it's definitely not Jose. We are two tequila girlies like me and you both are tequila girlies yeah that's why I'm actually really happy I didn't do that for my 21st because I would have hated having tequila ruined for me
00:06:54
Speaker
Literally, literally, I'm so glad I found tequila later on. Because I was like, I didn't ruin it. I ruined vodka for flavored vodka has been for me. Yep, which is fine. Because it's flavored vodka. I can do plain straight up Tito's. I do Tito's vodka if I'm doing vodka. Okay, all right.
Inconclusive Lab Results in Cochran Case
00:07:13
Speaker
So, like I said, cookout, craziness, meats that are exotic, whatever you take that on with. Mm hmm.
00:07:24
Speaker
Like maybe an alligator, an ostrich, a person, who knows? Chris. So March 25th, 2015, the lab results came back from the search they did on the Cochrane's home, but everything came back inconclusive.
00:07:51
Speaker
The splatter, the things that they painted over came back inconclusive. Okay, doesn't that just mean that it wasn't bleach? They found out it was blood. They found out it was blood, but it could not be proven that it was human blood.
00:08:16
Speaker
So they could not tell if it was human blood or, you know, exotic animal meat blood. Was it human blood or was it exotic meat blood? Who knows? What if they're one and the same? Oh, it's gross. It's gross. So the police decided that they were going to do a second search.
00:08:42
Speaker
But now that the Cochran's were gone, because you know, they remember they fled to Indiana, or back to Indiana. Yeah, and weren't they in Michigan? Yeah, so they this Chris happened in Michigan, they fled back to Indiana. And a lady's dying.
00:09:02
Speaker
I muted even and I muted and died and it still got me. I can't get you in while I was talking so I knew I wasn't going to be able to edit it out.
Police Search of the Mine Shaft
00:09:13
Speaker
I'm so sorry. I was like, shit, shit. You're fine. You watched me struggle to mute. I know I'm not going to be able to edit that part out. So now I have to show that she's actually dying. So yeah.
00:09:30
Speaker
I'm okay. I made it. Half the time that she's muted is either she doesn't realize she's muted or it's because she's dying. Yeah. Yeah. Behind the scenes. Can't confirm. So again, the Cochran's are gone. And that means that they could tear the house apart. And that's exactly what they did. They also searched a mine shaft that was about 600 feet from the Cochran's home.
00:10:00
Speaker
Why is there a mine shaft 600 feet from a house? That's what I want to know. Yeah, who decided to build the house there? Yes, yes. Was it the owners of the mine? I was like, what house do you view a kid? Was it just a hole in the ground and they said, oh look, this happens to have iron in it or something. Was it actually a mine that was designed to be a mine or just a hole people went into?
00:10:26
Speaker
And then like, what if you have kids? And then like, that's super close to the fucking, I don't know. I don't know. Either way. Like put Plexiglas over it or something. So either way though, they found, they went into this mine, this weird ass fucking mine. And they ended up- When? Like, okay. So he died- The police. Or disappeared. I apologize. He disappeared in what time?
00:10:56
Speaker
October 2014 2014 so the okay so October 2014 and then March 24th 25th of 2015 okay cool so we're not so far off no no no no it's pretty much like how has no one checked this Minecraft yet like Minecraft Minecraft mine shaft tell me you're a gamer without telling me you're a gamer
00:11:22
Speaker
I mean, I don't think I've ever heard that about myself. I'm pretty sure anyone who knows me knows I game, so. But usually, I'm not stuck on stupid this hard. How has nobody gone on Minecraft? How has no one found that Minecraft? If you go down to negative 16, you'll find some diamonds. You'll fucking find it. It's always 13 to 16. Actually, I think they changed. It's 11 to 13 now to get diamond, so.
00:11:50
Speaker
to my notes to know exactly what level to get diamond. I mean, I feel that. It's the strongest shit in the game. Of course I know exactly. So so the police, they end up searching the mine shaft because I can say it right. They end up searching the mine shaft and they find a cinder block. Tied to a rope.
00:12:21
Speaker
Cause you know, that means good things. That's not suspicious at all. Not at all. And also was it in water? Why do you
Timeline of Chris's Disappearance
00:12:27
Speaker
need a cinder block? Like was the cinder block like a weight out of the hole or in the hole? I don't, I don't fucking know. I literally, it was, it was in the hole. Like I don't know. They just kind of like, okay. So cause on the other end of the rope, I'm getting ahead of myself. So on the other end of the rope was a barrel. So a barrel.
00:12:49
Speaker
Like one of those pink barrels, not like pink hands, but like chemical barrels. Like a big container. Like a, yeah. Like one of those blue ones. Okay. So let me get this right. So there's a barrel with a rope attached to the barrel and attached to that is a, like attached to the other end of that rope is a cinder block. Okay.
00:13:17
Speaker
And I don't know if there's water in the mine shaft and that's why they did it or...
00:13:23
Speaker
what?
Kelly Cochran's Odd Behavior
00:13:24
Speaker
Okay, you don't need that. You're just throwing like, could you imagine you're like throwing something in the forest and you like add a rope and you have to make sure you anchor it down to like, what are you doing? Yeah, you're anchoring it to a tree. So that actually makes sense. That would make more sense than a center. That would be more sense than in a mine shaft. Yeah. So either way, they, um,
00:13:48
Speaker
Ask the neighbors about this whole thing they find. And the neighbors say that the Cochran's had rope just like that, that they use for a clothing line. Wait, the Cochran's had their own clothing line? Honey. Like a clothing line. Oh my god.
00:14:22
Speaker
That was the most, I wish people could have seen this interaction because it was so close. That was not planned at all. That was not a like, pretend to be stupid moment. That was a legit. No, that was a true, a true genuine stupid moment.
00:14:42
Speaker
Wait, the cognitive had their own clothing line. And I was like, oh yeah, they do like washing. And then I realized you meant like clothing brand. Like a clothing brand line. Like how the fuck did they do this? When? What? I'm gonna be like, what the fuck? I'm crying. I'm crying. That's when your brain went too. I'm fucking dying.
00:15:11
Speaker
Wow. I can't believe that was just recorded. I know. That's why it's perfect because it was so, it was so wrong. It was so like, no, honey. I'd like let you down gently. Like, no, wrong line. Like, wrong line.
00:15:38
Speaker
like a line in which you hang to dry not not you know what this means though like next merch we just have to have like sbc clothing line look like the words are hanging on a clothes line yes i'm gonna do it hold on
00:16:04
Speaker
So the barrel was empty. The one that was attached to the clothing line. I'm just picturing, like I've Googled these bitches. I know what they look like. What kind of clothing line they got going. Like, what are you talking about? No. It's just skin suits because of their exotic needs. Oh no. Oh no. What in the Ed Gein? No. Oh my God.
00:16:33
Speaker
Okay, okay, okay, okay. We have to get through this. The barrel was empty, but it looked like something had been stored in the barrel. And when the police were in the basement of the Cochran's home, they found a few of Jason's writings. And I don't know if they were just like strewn about or if they were like in notebooks or something. I don't know.
00:17:00
Speaker
but they were all kind of talking about weird things like a predator hunting its prey and the feeling it gave. And at one point there was a thing that alluded to a cookout. That's a thing. Okay, hold on. So you mean to tell me that there has been, there was writings that the police had stumbled across.
00:17:30
Speaker
And these writings also indicated that there is a predator hunting its prey. Thoughts of a barbecue with a human? Okay, so that's something that's not okay.
FBI Involvement and Kelly's Panic
00:17:52
Speaker
That's something real. Okay, gross. Carry on though.
00:18:01
Speaker
So after this second search, the second look through of the house, they gathered all of the evidence and took it back to be tested. But yet again, it came back inconclusive. Yeah, so they found more blood, but it came back inconclusive. What? How? Like, how did they have no conclusion to any of this blood? So they could tell that the blood
00:18:32
Speaker
was still wet when it was painted over. And so it had been mixed with paint and cleaning products. Yeah. Okay, so there's just too much too much contamination for them to confidently say that this is this. Exactly. And so because Kelly and Jason had fled to Indiana,
00:18:58
Speaker
the Michigan police were able to get the FBI involved because now it's, they're crossing state lines. Damn, they done screwed themselves over, didn't they? They fucked themselves over, yep. And they were already cooperating with the Indiana police. So Michigan police, Indiana police, and the FBI now are all involved in this case.
00:19:22
Speaker
and the Indiana police were already getting Kelly and Jason's DNA, the Michigan police just needed more resources. And so they're like, hey FBI, buddy, come here. So the, because the Cochrane's car was pretty much tagged. Yeah, that's, yeah, tagged.
00:19:51
Speaker
So because they were tagged and, you know, cause they had the GPS on there and everything. Um, when they found out where they were, they were caught and questioned immediately. Like, why did you guys run? What the fuck? Um, you're looking pretty guilty. So that's weird. That's weird. Exactly. Um, but
00:20:20
Speaker
Jason, the husband, immediately lawyered up. So the FBI came in and immediately found more evidence. I don't know what they had that the other police didn't, but it's the FBI, so probably a lot more. But they found so much more evidence on Kelly and Jason being connected to Chris.
00:20:46
Speaker
the FBI was able to reverse Chris's GPS in his car to see where he went and all that stuff. And at 5.25 PM on October 14th, 2014, Chris's car was at the Cochran's home. So the day that he disappeared, he's at the Cochran's home.
00:21:15
Speaker
It'll be that Kelly. So now the police, knowing all of this information, we're getting all their evidence together, getting ready to make an arrest when the call comes in to 911 from none other than Kelly Cochran. Kelly tells dispatchers that Jason is unresponsive and barely breathing.
00:21:43
Speaker
Okay, wait. Okay, so no, this is the boy. This is the husband. Wait, the husband. Yeah. Jason's the husband. So what you're telling me is everyone around Kelly is dying right now. Okay, carry on. And when EMTs got there, they said that Kelly was acting really weird, almost like she was trying to distract them.
00:22:06
Speaker
to the point where they had to tell her to leave, to leave the property, leave the premise, leave them alone. I'm really trying to think, what was she doing? From reports that I read, she was starting to hyperventilate, or ask them questions, or just getting in their way. She was drawing the attention to them. Being more of a burden.
00:22:34
Speaker
Yeah, or trying drawing the attention towards her of like, Oh my gosh, I'm hyperventilating. Oh my gosh, I can't I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened.
Informant Provides Crucial Information
00:22:41
Speaker
All that kind of shit like just being a lot where they were like, Okay, you need to go sit outside. Go leave for a sec. Leave that leave my presence. So, um, and then
00:22:56
Speaker
when they finally were able to get a good look at Jason when she finally leaves the premises. He wasn't just unresponsive. He was dead. But like- Oh, I mean, I guess he's not responsive still. That's not wrong, but- But she said barely breathing on the 911 call. So he was breathing, so she says, when she made the call.
00:23:24
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Okay. So they finally get to him and now he's dead, which would make sense because she, you know, took up so much fucking time, but it wasn't that he had just died. He like had been dead.
00:23:39
Speaker
like he, rigamortis is already starting to settle in and, and go. Oh wow. She didn't even keep the body like warmer. So the rigamortis like. You said keep the body warm and my brain was like, what? Put them in the oven. Like, you know, they already did that with Chris, remember?
00:23:57
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah no sorry i'm just thinking like if you keep them from being like you you can uh you can alter you know the time of death because they go off of body temperature and validity and things like that so like there are ways to to do that but also at the end of the day no matter what you do they're gonna find out they probably died not a half hour to an hour ago
00:24:21
Speaker
Exactly. It's not like a, there's a science to it. It's not just a- There's a reason there's a science to it. Like there's- Yeah. I mean, maybe in some cases. That's about 48 hours or so. It's the stick test. The stick test. The scientific stick test. That's the technical term.
00:24:44
Speaker
Of course, I was the one that wanted to be a mortician and coroner didn't really matter. So I know the scientific words for it. Excuse me. Yeah, it's the prod. The protest. Hey, you awake? You awake there? Not this kid. This kid's dead. I think he's dead, guys. I think he's dead. Me? Why is that me though? So
00:25:13
Speaker
Like I said, he had been dead. And Kelly told investigators that Jason had OD'd on heroin and that he took it because he couldn't get his medical marijuana card in Indiana. So he had to resort to hard drugs. Sorry, I couldn't even say that with a straight face. You guys can't see my face right now. But the lion, the witch, and the audacity of this bitch.
00:25:44
Speaker
What the hell? I knew you'd have something to say. I knew it because like,
Kelly's Gruesome Confession
00:25:48
Speaker
what the fuck? Oh man, I can't do weed, so I'm gonna just do heroin. What? What the hell are you talking about? What? What? I know. You can't tell me that he started heroin because he couldn't get his hands on weed. Bullshit.
00:26:11
Speaker
Bullshit. Just say it. You wanted to do heroin. Yeah. It's not because of the weed. Shit. Don't give stoners a bad name. Yeah, also like that's a reach man. How are you gonna go from weed to heroin? Like you know that whole like weed's a gateway drug and you're just gonna like go to all these things. I'm like
00:26:31
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like it takes a little bit more to before you start going to heroin and meth. Like you, you don't just kind of go, well, this high is not doing it for me. Like, okay, that's really the jump you make. You got bigger issues than just drugs. Honestly, yeah.
00:26:48
Speaker
So the police, of course, felt like something was off from the start of Jason's death. So Detective Ogden was put on the case and he felt the same way from the start. And he actually went to the autopsy to make sure that the coroner knew the details so that the coroner would not only check for drugs in his system, but also any other causes of death. So during the autopsy, the coroner did find heroin in the system.
00:27:18
Speaker
but he also found that the nasal cavity was collapsed, which indicates usually that there is pressure on the nose. And it not just like a little bit, like it has to, for your nasal cavity to collapse, it has to be a lot of pressure, almost like, almost like, you know, the pressure of a human. Yeah, exactly.
00:27:46
Speaker
Yeah, because it's not bone. Your nose isn't bone. It's cartilage. And there was just kind of a hole in your skull where the cartilage can go into. Exactly.
00:27:56
Speaker
The other thing was is that Jason was also covered in petechiae, which is little red dots all over the face or eyes, which is usually a telltale sign of suffocation.
The Trial and Manipulation
00:28:11
Speaker
Of extixiation. Yeah. Isn't it like it's petechial hemorrhaging, right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like there's capillaries.
00:28:20
Speaker
they just call the red dots petechii instead of petechial hemorrhaging. It's like the he either really had an aggressive ass vomit, where he was like, you know, because I've had that before where I got blood vessels and blood vessels from you know, vomiting so hard. But with the collapsed nose, and the telltale sign of asphyxiation, I think there's it's not looking too hot right now for that. No. So the corner
00:28:49
Speaker
declared that Jason's death was due to suffocation, not heroin. And the only person that was with him was Kelly. And she said that herself. She ratted on herself. This bitch. Dude, thank God they're so dumb. It's the narcissist, man. Those narcissistic tendencies really take him out. Oh, just fucking wait. Oh, just wait.
00:29:17
Speaker
So at this point, Detective Ogden knew Kelly was guilty and he had all the evidence to arrest her. But if they got Kelly on Jason's murder, then they knew that that would most likely mean no justice for Chris. So Detective Ogden and Chief Rizzo worked together and shared case files.
00:29:39
Speaker
And they let Kelly go on, not suspecting that the police were on to her. Kelly was acting like the perfect grieving widow and really laying it on thick.
00:29:50
Speaker
And like, whoa, poor woe is me. So while trying to get evidence together, Detective Ogden decided to play into Kelly's ego. And as we can now tell, and you know, if you didn't know, Kelly loved getting attention from men.
00:30:09
Speaker
So no kidding. So knowing this, like she thought she was all that in a bag of chips, you know, so Detective Ogden calls Kelly in to talk about Chris, not Jason. And she had no idea at this point that Jason's death had been ruled a homicide. So when Detective Ogden is talking to Kelly, he would
00:30:36
Speaker
do, he would do these things like when talking about Chris, he would do these things to like gain her trust. Like he would lightly touch her hand to like reassure her and like let her victimize herself because when she did that, she would give away a lot more information
00:30:57
Speaker
because, oh, look at me, I'm the victim. I'm the victim, woe is me, and this man is giving me attention and I have daddy issues. Uh-huh. Yeah. And what sucks is that she loved getting the attention, of course, but it didn't really make her crack like Detective Ogden was hoping for. She just took it. She was like, yeah, you want me.
00:31:28
Speaker
Yeah, everyone do a quick Google search just so we're all aware of what he apparently the need for. But not all hope was lost because a friend of Jason's actually called the FBI. And this friend used to game with Jason.
00:31:50
Speaker
And when he learned about Jason's death, he absolutely knew that Kelly was involved. And this friend who was unnamed told the FBI that Kelly was manipulative and abusive. So when the FBI asked him if he wanted to be, to work with them and be an informant, he automatically said yes. He was like, you don't have to ask me twice. I got you boo.
00:32:20
Speaker
So the informant and Detective Ogden start working together and the friend, Jason's friend, calls Kelly in a panic saying that he had received an envelope in the mail weeks before Jason's death from Jason. And the envelope was, so in the envelope was a letter and another
Conviction and Life Sentence
00:32:40
Speaker
sealed envelope and the letter
00:32:44
Speaker
said to give the sealed envelope to the Iron River Police Department if anything had happened to Jason. As we know, this isn't real. This isn't real. This is all a ploy to get. Just to see what she would do. And what's great is that this is what shook Kelly the most.
00:33:11
Speaker
Since she thought the letter existed, she absolutely panicked and she begged him not to send in this letter. And when she got off the phone with this friend, she called Detective Ogden and told him that she needed to meet with him now.
00:33:30
Speaker
so wow way to just like this did they know what man they're just fucking with her now that would fuck me up so bad somebody texts me and says hey i need to talk to you and i'm like great until you talk to me i'm now going to have an anxiety attack so spit it out please
00:33:47
Speaker
So we're gonna fast forward March 29th, 2016. And remember, Chris goes missing 2014. So it's been pretty much a year and a half at this point. Kelly meets with Detective Ogden.
Potential Serial Killer Revelations
00:34:04
Speaker
And after a little bit, she tells him that Jason killed Chris Reagan in 2014.
00:34:13
Speaker
So Kelly said that Jason shot Chris in the head, dismembered him, and then put his body in black trash bags, and then disposed of Chris on the outskirts of Iron River. Kelly agrees to point out the place where Chris was buried.
00:34:31
Speaker
So they drive all night back to Michigan. And they also go back to Kelly's house to do a recreation of what happened. But in Kelly fashion, because fucking God damn it, she is being super vague while doing this recreation. And they can't find Chris's body where she said it would be.
00:34:57
Speaker
like not even any evidence that a body had even been there. So during this whole time, Kelly was a free woman. I don't know why, but she was free, even though she's a fucking murder suspect. And even though her husband killed him, she's free to go, apparently.
00:35:21
Speaker
And they were worried about her running, but they knew that, because she's stupid, they knew that they would, even if she did run, that they would be able to find her. I don't know why, I don't know why they had so much confidence, but again, she's stupid, so who knows.
00:35:40
Speaker
Um, bless. And so a month, about a month later, that's exactly what happened. Kelly was supposed to meet up with Detective Ogden, but she never showed up.
00:35:55
Speaker
And Kelly would send Detective Ogden a text that said, the West Coast looks great at this time of day. So they get an arrest warrant. Which what? They get an arrest warrant and it's all hands on deck because they don't want to lose her again or have her go much farther.
00:36:15
Speaker
So they actually keep texting her so that they could get a ping on her location. And it wasn't... And it was like she could not help but text back. She was so fucking cocky that she would just text the detective back every time they would text her. Which the fucking... You dumb bitch! So because she was still texting them back,
00:36:44
Speaker
they were able to get her location. I'm sure they were because she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. No, not the brightest bulb in the tanning bed. Nope. Not. Elevator does not quite hit that top floor. Nope. Not even the top floor. I think it only goes to like, I think she probably has like, you know, couple floors, but I don't think she doesn't even have an elevator. I would say she just got stairs. So
00:37:13
Speaker
So they get her, they ping her location, everything like that, because they can actually ping locations pretty fast. And they realized that she wasn't even on the West Coast. She was trying to lead them in the wrong direction. She was in Kentucky.
00:37:31
Speaker
Bitch. Do you think that, do you think you're at the coast right now? Do you think that you're there? Cause you gotta keep going. The coast requires an ocean. Yeah, that's a, that's a pond. You're tried. That's not, that's a, that's a pond. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. She was in Kentucky staying with her family. Yeah.
00:37:56
Speaker
So they find her and they arrest her for the murder of Jason because that's the only one that they could really, really prove. And once Kelly was- So what I'm gathering is that Jason really helped her dispose of this body and then she got rid of him. So then truly she's the only one that knows.
00:38:20
Speaker
with my little fuck boy. Man, dude, Jason did good. They can't even find Chris.
Conclusion and Reflections on Kelly's Crimes
00:38:29
Speaker
So once Kelly was in custody for running, she sang like a motherfucking bird. They asked her like, okay, so what's the deeds actually? And she was like, she finally came clean.
00:38:48
Speaker
Cause this bitch. She's like, fine. You found me in Kentucky. Okay. I guess I can't run away as tough. I'm easy as I thought it was going to be. So yeah. And she changed her story a couple of times. Sometimes she was fully a victim in Chris's murder. And sometimes it was almost like she couldn't help but implicate herself. What do you mean? She's the victim in Chris's murder.
00:39:11
Speaker
Chris is dead, dude. Yeah, like Jason just went crazy and she was a victim and he was insane and like that kind of stuff. And then she was just trying, she had to help him or he would kill her. Yeah, some fucking bullshit. So then- Are you a victim when he's the one that ended up dead? You still are? They're both dead and you're the victim?
00:39:33
Speaker
Like I said, it was almost like she couldn't help, and sometimes it was almost like she couldn't help but implicate herself. And I don't know if it was because she wanted like some of the credit for things, something she did or something, but she just couldn't help but throw that like narcissistic, like those little narcissistic things in there about like how, and it was stuff like, excuse me, it was like how she like lured him and shit like that. It was weird. Anyway, but while she's-
00:40:02
Speaker
while she is confessing. Her story pretty much stayed the same. Like I said, she did change it a little bit, but not things that really mattered. And Kelly finally told detectives that all of this started, all everything started because of a marriage pact
00:40:28
Speaker
Like apparently her and Jason had a marriage pact on their wedding night and they decided. Okay, I think that this is like the only bit of this story that I actually am aware of. And gross. So apparently on their wedding night, they decided that if either of them were to cheat,
00:40:56
Speaker
they would kill the other person that they cheated with. And what doesn't make sense is that Kelly had cheated so many times, but this is the first person, the first person, I'm saying that in air quotes, that they killed. Like Kelly, make that make sense. Like you cheated with so many other people. Chris was not the first one she cheated with, nor the last.
00:41:26
Speaker
What makes this band special? Like, what do we... Exactly. Yeah.
00:41:31
Speaker
Do you actually have feelings for Chris and that's why he's dead? Maybe. Can you imagine? That's actually really scary to think about just hypothetically. Let's just take a moment to think about the fact you're dating someone and you're like getting to know them and then you get murdered because they have a pact with a crazy motherfucker that they're going to kill the person because they pursued you. Could you imagine? Oh my God. No, that's literally why soccer people scare me so much.
00:41:59
Speaker
I mean, it scares me so much. They are. They're terrifying because it's like, OK, you're you're psycho. Like you have a detachment. You don't understand how wrong this is. And there's something wrong. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So but either way, when when Jason found out about Chris, he was this is what this is what Kelly saying.
00:42:20
Speaker
When Jason was found out about Chris, he was pissed and actually threatened to go to Chris's apartment and kill him. And apparently that's why he was at the apartment that one time. But Kelly, this is one of the things that she's like had to be like narcissistic about and like kind of
00:42:44
Speaker
admit to was she goes, no, no, no, but I told Jason that you're sloppy. I'm smarter. So I'll come up with something better.
00:42:56
Speaker
And she's telling this to- So she had to, wow. This is like- She literally sitting here being like- She has to make herself sound like, wow. Even if it, wow. People are, brains like this are just so fascinating to me. Like- I know. They still think that they're ahead of the game and they think that they're so untouchable. And that they're so smart. That they will straight up be like, exactly like, I'm so smart. I can tell you how smart I am and I still won't go to jail. Like, what? Yes.
00:43:25
Speaker
Exactly. So apparently, Kelly comes up with a plan to lure Chris to their home to have sex. And actually, Chris had never been to Kelly's house before. They had always gone to his house. And so the directions that they found in his car were because he had never been to her house. And those were the directions that she had given him that day on October 14th.
00:43:55
Speaker
So. So that was the directions. The first time he got to the house. Yep. So they even had sex, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I said. They went to his apartment. They'd always gone to his apartment. I'm still caught up at the fact that this is a thought process. Like I'm still trying to process the fact that someone goes, if you cheat on me, I'm going to kill the person you cheated on me with. Like what? Not you. Just walk away, honey. Not that I condone any murdering, but like.
00:44:26
Speaker
Just walk away. You're not going to kill the person. Yeah, exactly. Just do it. What? Yeah. Honestly, me and my husband, it is one of those things of if you cheat, we're just done. We walk away. That's one of our hard boundary, hard line things is we walk away. I understand having a boundary like that, but it's never if you cheat, I'm going to kill this person. No. What?
00:44:54
Speaker
Didn't know how that works at all. That's so weird. Also, you're mad at the wrong person, homie. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. How often do the people that are the ones that are the side piece, so to speak, for lack of better words, how often do those actually have the know that there are the
00:45:21
Speaker
Like, not always. Is that the case? I mean, I've been in a situation. Long story short, it's a real crime of the other person to find out you were the other person and you're like, yeah, that's I don't like that. I don't exactly. And like the only thing I could think about at that moment in time is like, I'm not selfish enough to be like, I don't care. Yep. Like, if you didn't know, it's nothing. But that's true.
00:45:49
Speaker
So, like I said, they made a plan or so the directions in the car were, you know, to Kelly's house. And the plan was that they would be actively having sex and Jason would shoot Chris.
00:46:10
Speaker
what hold on hold on hold on hold on i know i know i know i'm telling you this case is bonkers i i think i do remember reading this because um what this case is bonkers fucking bonkers but like how you got what how you kind of
00:46:37
Speaker
Imagine feeling so good and then, I mean, at least that's the last thing you feel, right? Yeah, yeah. Bro, why would you want that in you? Why is that a thing you guys talked about? I mean, have you ever heard of those stories where literally the person dies while they're acting? Let it be like, old man, heart attack, whatever it is. Yeah, their heart gives out, whatever, yeah. And it's a complete accident, and that happens.
00:47:04
Speaker
I would never be able to have sex again. But like, imagine literally that's your plan is like, oh, I'm going to shoot this person while he's in you. Nasty. So anyway, that has to be a weird case. I'm not here. I'm not here to ick your gum, except the note that you literally took a life. And that's where my problem is. Yeah.
00:47:31
Speaker
But like, that's weird. That's weirdly specific. And there has to be a thing that it has to be it fucking has to be because that's like a extra step that that why why did you know why? Mm hmm. It's disgusting. And I hate it. So Kelly would say that she told Chris to come in through the back door.
00:48:01
Speaker
And right as he got in the back door, they were already going at it. Ugh, gross. I don't want to think about that. Ugh, gross. They were already- So you didn't mean to tell me that that- At the back door. Damn, she was quick. Well, so after they said their clothes, I guess, Kelly told Chris to go get ready upstairs in the bedroom and that she would be right there.
00:48:32
Speaker
So Chris was heading up the stairs. So Chris is heading up the stairs and Jason is hiding like right.
00:48:43
Speaker
I've heard it said that, so he was going upstairs and there's like, so there's like an upstairs, like a landing area. And then back over here, there's like a basement. So it's kind of like a basement landing upstairs. If that makes sense. And Jason was hiding down by in the basement area, like right on the stairs in the basement. So Chris never saw him. So Chris goes upstairs to go.
00:49:08
Speaker
Get ready. And Chris was heading up the stairs and Jason came out of hiding and shot Chris in the head while he's going upstairs.
00:49:21
Speaker
So it wasn't a part of the plan. I mean, thank God, thank goodness. But still. Actually that might be a little, that might be a little. I really hope that that's what happened. But something tells me that he just got too pissed off when he saw him and has the gun and was like, I'm just gonna fucking do it. I have a feeling that that was what it was more than the,
00:49:48
Speaker
This is wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So again, Kelly would claim at different times that Jason was the mastermind behind the whole thing.
00:50:00
Speaker
But detectives could tell that Kelly was the mastermind with just a few things that she would say. So like, you know, being like, Oh, I'm smarter. You that's dumb. Don't do that. I'll think of a better plan. Like, like, yeah, I have a better plan. Okay, so you made the plan. Thank you for letting that mastermind. Yeah. So after Jason shot Chris, they dismembered him
00:50:26
Speaker
with the saw blade that police found in the fire pit. And when that was done, they placed the body parts into black trash bags and both of them took, so Jason took their car
00:50:44
Speaker
and Kelly took Chris's car and Jason dumped the bags and the gun and then Kelly put Chris's car at the park and ride and then Jason picked her up and then they drove back home. Maybe thankfully, Kelly never said anything about the suspected cannibalism and apparently she was
00:51:11
Speaker
after Caught, she was really forthcoming. So we can hope that it wasn't actually cannibalism, but we still don't know if that's true or not. So like I said, all of that is alleged and we don't actually know, but Kelly never said anything. And I'm just going to pretend like there was no cannibalism.
00:51:37
Speaker
I'm gonna live in this happy world where there was no, no. Chris is- I'm down to be in that world with you. Cause I don't like the idea of this poor man just living his best life. Yeah. It's not fair.
00:51:55
Speaker
So Kelly said that after Chris's murder, she hated Jason. And so when she couldn't take it anymore, she decided that now was a good a time as any to kill him.
00:52:08
Speaker
And they had just given their DNA and she said it seemed like authorities were trying to like pit each other, pit them against each other. And that Jason was a ball of nerves and could break easily. And so she killed him. And she's Kelly said that one night Jason told her that he wanted some heroin and Kelly thought, perfect, now's my shot. Because Kelly was the one that did heroin.
00:52:38
Speaker
not Jason. I mean, look at her, but yeah. Uh, honestly. So she offered to administer some to him and he agreed. And so she did, but, uh, she made sure it was a lethal dose, but instead of just stopping there and, you know, having it look like a fucking accident, she's fucking stupid. And she decided,
00:53:04
Speaker
that it wasn't happening fast enough. So she suffocated him. Because, you know, what instead of just being like, I don't know, officer, I don't know what happened. It was his first time taking heroin. He must have just accidentally had a bad dose.
00:53:20
Speaker
Wow, she actually almost could have gotten away with it, but she was- She could have- Thank God for stupid people. Exactly. The scary thing is is that she is stupid, but she's almost smart enough, almost smart enough to get away with shit. Like she has all of the elements. She just doesn't know how to put them together. So after confessing to Jason's murder, she said, I still hate him. I just evened the score.
00:53:48
Speaker
And finally, Kelly said that she would take them to the real place that she and Jason hid Chris. And the entire time that they were looking for Chris, Kelly was just sitting there smoking, like you can see dash cam footage and like body camera footage of this. She's literally just sitting there, arms folded, cigarette in her hand and
00:54:15
Speaker
you know, arms folded, acting like they were not trying to find a body. And she's literally sitting there smoking, talking to the police officers about how the smell and taste of blood give her a high. So I don't know about the cannibalism. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Help. Um.
00:54:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's not mmm. Well, that kind of explains the dying inside of... Ew, ew, I didn't even think of that part. Yeah, that's what connected it for me. I was like, well, I guess I know whose idea that was. I literally did not. I did not think of that. I just thought of so many things and I hate it and I don't know if I can eat. The only thing of Chris that they have ever found, like to this day,
00:55:10
Speaker
has been his skull. And that could have been because of wild animals. That could have been from other things. I don't know. And I don't want to. I don't think I want to know either. I don't want to. But at least the cops were able to give at least part of him back to his family.
00:55:36
Speaker
and give his family some sort of answers, thank God, because- I mean, I'm just thinking of the fact that, let's just say they found a leg, or an arm, or something like that. You can live without those. Yeah. But if you find a person's skull as morbid as it is, at least you know for a fact that there's nothing else you can find, there's no doubt in your mind that they could possibly still be alive somewhere.
00:56:04
Speaker
Exactly. It is still kind of a conclusion in like the worst fucking way possible. Yeah.
00:56:11
Speaker
but at least it's something, you know? Because again, I think we talked about in the first episode that I have one of my mom's friends, or one of my friends, her aunt, literally has disappeared without a trace, never has been found. It's been, I think over, at least I think it's been at least 14 years and they have never found a trace of her. And it's in Alaska, so.
00:56:40
Speaker
Which, if that tells you anything about the case, yep. So, um... I mean, there's a couple... It could be Nature or Serial Killer. Don't know which one, though. Like I said, we're gonna cover that case. I've gotten permission from the family to cover that case, so... Sounds good. Fantastic. Because I would love to bring attention to that. Yeah. Yeah. So, um...
00:57:03
Speaker
but it's the whole thing of we still don't know what happened to her. We've never been able, they've never found anything. They found a car and like under mysterious circumstances, but they've never found a body. And so just that feeling of like, they don't know what happened to her. And so I'm so glad that Chris, even though it's just a skull, they have something to say, yes, he didn't just go missing, you know, all that kind of stuff. It just, yeah. So,
00:57:33
Speaker
Again, as they go to, you know, they're showing where Chris's body is and everything like that, they go back to the mine pit because Kelly told them that next to the mine pit is where the gun was. So they were so close to finding that gun, the murder weapon, and they never did. But because, you know, it's a mine shaft, crazy.
00:58:00
Speaker
And while they were at the house, because they went back to the house to see if there was any more evidence, you know, as Kelly is giving a walkthrough of, you know, where everything is and everything like that, in plain view, there were these like forceps, which, if you don't know what forceps are, how would you explain forceps? Like, kind of like a weird mixture of tweezers and tongs.
00:58:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good yes. Good. Good. Yes. So there are these like forceps just laying there. Yeah, you know, they grab things. And that they do. Um, Kelly told the police that she used these forceps to get the bullet out of Chris's skull, so that if his body was ever found, the bullet would not be traced to them.
00:58:53
Speaker
Yeah. And these forceps were the one and only piece of evidence that they were able to use later on and say without a doubt that Chris's DNA had been on it. Were these little forceps.
00:59:11
Speaker
Holy crap, she wouldn't have said anything if she would have just kept her mouth shut. Thank God she doesn't keep her mouth shut, man. Yeah. So yes, Kelly was super forthcoming about everything that happened to Chris and Jason.
00:59:27
Speaker
But that is because Kelly is a master manipulator, and she would use people's sympathy against them. And when her trial was coming up, she was recorded saying, you don't think that I can convince at least one juror to feel bad for me? Like, that's a fucking quote from her.
00:59:50
Speaker
Because she's smart enough to understand you only need one person to have doubt. And I hate that. And I hate that she's that smart, you know? I'm just glad she was recorded saying it because it shows that she knows that. She knows right from wrong. She knows what she's doing. And there can never be an argument that she didn't.
01:00:16
Speaker
Yep. And while awaiting her trial, she was the complete opposite of a model prisoner. At one point, she created a shank out of her glasses while threatening anyone who came close to her. How do you create a shank? I wear glasses. If you guys don't know that, I wear glasses every day. How do you
01:00:41
Speaker
How do you make a shank out of your glasses? Eleni also wears glasses. I'm over here. Yeah, I also wear glasses. So I'm investigating. And the only thing I can think of is maybe right here. Like she takes the ear part and then like use a pencil sharpener to sharpen it. I guess. I guess. Or like she broke it off at like a point. I don't know.
01:01:11
Speaker
thank god i'm kind of impressed i hate that i'm impressed right now and at this time like uh it is time to thank
01:01:24
Speaker
like Chief Rizzo for literally all the fucking hard work that she did. Like she got a possible- And ignoring, like ignoring the people that were saying don't do this and being like, no, I know something is here. Yeah, exactly. She got, she got a possible serial killer off the streets and we will, we will get back to that.
01:01:49
Speaker
don't worry. Well, if blood and death excite her, you know, it's like that. It's like, oh my god, the way you said that. Why are we the same fucking person? I was literally just I had opened my mouth to say that. For all the hard work that she did, you know, in this case,
01:02:12
Speaker
they decided, like the police or the city, the upper management, as a thank you to letting her, to having her find this almost possible serial killer, they decided to let her go. They said, wow, thank you so much for,
01:02:37
Speaker
bringing this person to justice. Bye. No, thanks. Bye. Yeah. There's a lot of people. So Kelly's free. No, no, no. Chief Rizzo.
01:02:55
Speaker
They let her go. Oh, they oh, okay. Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They just let this bitch go. What are you talking about? Wait, that's not worse because I don't want Kelly to be free. But also what the hell? Yeah, she wouldn't have even been caught. You want to know what it is?
01:03:16
Speaker
they want someone they can control. And she has proven herself to be someone that they can't control. It's funny that you say that because the person that got elected, I think he got elected into the position or something like that. And that's technically who fired her or let her go. Pretty much he's known for sleeping with subordinates, kind of looking the other way.
01:03:46
Speaker
does not being a very good person and also being very sexist. So you're not wrong, but that's all alleged. How are you sexist and how are you gonna be sexist while simultaneously sleeping your way to the top? How does that work? Yeah, I don't know. You're gonna look at a woman as less than you when you're you. He's at the top and he's sleeping with the people under him.
01:04:12
Speaker
Oh, I wish that was uncommon. But it's not. Yeah, right. Yeah, so that's gross. So yeah, yeah. So even though she was let go, she was still in court. When Kelly's trial started, which was February 14 2017. So three years after after Chris goes missing,
01:04:44
Speaker
Yeah. So she sat next to the prosecution because she knew everything there was to know about this case from start to finish. She was amazing. This woman is amazing. Dude, that's like poetic justice. It's like, she's like killing them with her skill. Like, you know, you kill people with kindness. She's like, you're going to let me go fine bitch, but I'm going to fucking show you what the fuck you just lost.
01:05:13
Speaker
Uh huh. That a girl. So Kelly testified for herself, because, you know, she has to, because she has to victimize her story, you know, and
01:05:28
Speaker
Chris's ex was testifying later and Kelly, so she's at the, she, Terry is on the stand. She is sitting there testifying and Kelly is like staring her down and smiling while Terry is testifying. What?
01:05:54
Speaker
And Terry would let her say that Kelly was the scariest person that she had ever seen and that it was looking or sorry. And that it was like the devil was looking at you. And that's actually why Kelly Cochran was trying to do. And because of that, Kelly Cochran got the name of the devil of Michigan. Yeah.
01:06:23
Speaker
Yep, and despite the sob story that Kelly gave, you know, trying to victimize herself, it took the jury only three hours to come back with a decision.
01:06:42
Speaker
And I looked that up because I've always heard people say like, Oh, it only took them this long. It only took them this long. And I was like, what is like normal for a, for a jury to, to talk about it. And apparently it's like a week. Like it's like, it's like a full week. So three hours. That's crazy.
01:07:05
Speaker
Yeah, when I find out that they figure it out by the end of the day, or like it takes them less than, if it takes anything less than 48 hours for them to find a conclusion, I'm like, that's hilarious. Yeah. You thought you were so slick. You thought you were so cool. Yeah. So it took them only three hours to come to the decision that Kelly was guilty on all charges.
01:07:29
Speaker
which were first degree murder, no shit, conspiracy to commit dis internment, which I had to look that up and it's literally just moving a body. Well, conspiracy to move a body, like after burying them.
01:07:47
Speaker
Okay, so it's after they've been very disinterment like if you're interred in something, okay. Yeah, I had to look that up. No, it's disinterment. So Okay, that makes a little bit more sense. I'm like so Yeah, so disinterment mutilation concealing the death of a person larceny and lying to an officer and
01:08:11
Speaker
Yeah. So because of all of this, Kelly was given life in prison for the murder of Chris Regan. And then there was the murder trial for Jason. This was not, that was just for Chris. And I'm like, fuck yeah, sometimes the justice system is great and sometimes it fucking sucks. But when it works, it really fucking works.
01:08:40
Speaker
Yeah, no kidding. That's amazing. So in April, this is where it gets a little weird. Let's just say that. Okay, I'm sorry. Hold on time the hell out. Now it gets weird. Now. Mm hmm.
01:09:03
Speaker
Mm hmm. Oh, hell. Where's my I need a trauma buddy. Where's my animal? Where's my cat? Where is this? Stella? No, Stella's in bed is bedtime for her. She's she's all resting. Oh, look, there's my little demon. She's right there laying behind me. Oh, good. Oh, good. So she'll protect me. So in April of 2018, Kelly took a deal where
01:09:34
Speaker
If she pled guilty to the murder of Jason, she could not be charged with any more murders in Indiana. You can't see Ellie's face right now, but... And only in Indiana. Yeah. What does that mean?
01:10:01
Speaker
How many people who, how many unsolved murders do they have in Indiana that are associated with her in any way, shape, or form? I don't know. Well, there, there is, there's more details, but what do you mean? What do you mean any more murders? What do you mean? How many more mart- Are you past or future? What do you mean? Like, are you planning some or are they done? I don't know.
01:10:31
Speaker
It's you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Jason and Peter have been together forever now. Since high school. And they lived in Indiana. They were born and raised in Indiana. Damn. Michigan's like, thank God. Take them. Keep them.
01:10:50
Speaker
So while in prison, Kelly does a lot of interviews and still says that she's a victim. But we'll also talk about how she doesn't feel sadness or regular feelings, quote unquote. And a lot of people who work this case do believe that she is a serial killer. And it's not just a feeling.
01:11:15
Speaker
At one point, she even admitted that her and Jason had a trophy bag.
01:11:32
Speaker
Oh, oh, oh, just wait, just fucking wait. So- This shit's getting dozy, okay. So after Kelly was in prison, her family brought forward conversations that they had had with her that support the theory of her being a serial killer. Her mom asked her stuff, like, how did I never see signs? And Kelly said, I don't know how you couldn't have, I've always been like this. On a podcast, I was like, I see your face. I know, I gotta-
01:12:02
Speaker
I gotta use these words. Okay. What? In the actual f- Dude, talk about a mother loving their kid no matter what and trying their best to ignore it. But also, like, how do you not notice if even they're like, I've always been like this, how the fuck have you not noticed? Like, how many kids did she have? Like, how? How? I don't know.
01:12:25
Speaker
So Kelly's brother, at least the second one, Kelly's brother. There's at least one other sibling. We know that one other person. So Kelly's brother had even recorded a conversation between him and Kelly that he brought to the police. And in these conversations, she said that there were others and she called them her friends. And even in one conversation, they had
01:12:53
Speaker
They had had a conversation with her and Jason where Kelly was talking to another guy, like just having one of her many affairs. And Jason looked at her straight in the fucking face, straight in the face in front of her brother and said, I'll kill him if you want me to. Completely nonchalant. What does that mean? So another weird fucking thing,
01:13:20
Speaker
is that in another interview, Kelly stated that every butterfly tattoo that she has, and she has 13 butterfly tattoos, okay? Is one of them is for every friend that she lost. And a lot of people think that those tattoos are her trophies.
01:13:47
Speaker
as you hide your tattoos. So like, I was actually already cold. So I was pulling my sleeve down. It was just coincidental that I was also covering my tattoos while I did that. But what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. And you can see pictures. Again, we're going to be trying to be better at pictures and you can see pictures of her butterfly tattoos on her wedding day.
01:14:20
Speaker
So what does that mean? Wait, so how, when did they get married again? I think 20, I think 2002. Bro, when did she start killing people? I don't know. Nobody knows. And so, um, and a lot of people, I kind of hate that nobody knows somebody needs to talk to this girl. What is going on? Well, well,
01:14:49
Speaker
She has specifically lifted off multiple states, states where her friends are buried. And then it came out that she admitted to her family about nine other victims. But guess where they're at? Indiana.
01:15:19
Speaker
Mm-hmm And she knew that if she gets caught on those Indiana charges She could get the death penalty Yeah So she refuses because the rest of them are all dispersed enough that she can't be charged Wow This bitch is actually not that dumb
01:15:43
Speaker
She's dumb. She has all the pieces. She has all the pieces of a crazy amazing serial killer, but like an actual really like scary one. Yeah. But thank God she didn't put all the fucking pieces together. Exactly. Yeah. And that is all that we really know. That's it. Just the nine victims.
01:16:08
Speaker
And unless, I think unless she says names, we will never know all the fucking victims. But yeah. Unless they find something that has a bunch of DNA all together and then they're like, whoa, all of these unsolved cases in this mine shaft in Indiana. Yeah. That's the case of Kelly and Jason Cochran. I'm done.
01:16:37
Speaker
Oh my god. I bro. Wow. No, see, I understand. Because I like remember I started that case. And I did a little bit of research. But as I was, you know, researching, I was like, I don't even know. This is the case, I think in a couple episodes ago, we were talking about that about a case that both of us were like,
01:17:00
Speaker
How the fuck do we start this? Where the fuck do we go? So fucking much. So much. Very smart. Very smart of you by starting off by introducing the victim that got them to be looked at. I watched a YouTube video on this case, and this is kind of how she started it. Because I was like, where the fuck do I start?
01:17:30
Speaker
So luckily, I was able to watch, and she kind of gave me the, like, how to kind of start it. So I was like, holy shit. Yeah, and I'll link her down below. Her name is Danielle Hallen, also another great YouTuber. I just needed somewhere to be like, how the fuck do I start this? And so she gave me a lot of information. And then she had watched, I think it's only Discovery Plus, it's called Dead North.
01:17:59
Speaker
Oh, I think and it's I'm pretty sure I've seen that as one of my you should watch this Yeah, yeah, and I guess it's the episode winter is coming. I think that's what the episode was called Yeah, and so I watched that as well. And so that's where I got a lot of my information from But cuz I was like fuck do I start this? Because yeah
01:18:22
Speaker
This was the one where you literally wrote a sentence and then I went to go start it and I wrote one word. Yeah. I'm pretty sure my sentence was, this bitch is crazy. And I wrote, during. During. You wrote the word during and I wrote this sentence. I'm going to talk today. I'm going to talk about Kelly Cochran and this bitch is crazy. And that's as far as I got because I didn't even know where to go. Yes.
01:18:51
Speaker
Oh, right. But so with all of that being said, I think I mean, I don't have any more words. So I don't I don't either. We are going to be implementing a new thing, not this episode, but it's going to be coming up where we're going to try and find some positive stories to put our episodes on. Yeah, because it gets kind of heavy. It gets kind of dark and we don't necessarily want to only focus on those. We do try to lighten it up.
01:19:21
Speaker
Some nights. Exactly. Like, we're the same. And like, we want to like, you know, still joke and still make light as much as we can, while still being very serious because we may laugh, but these are not laughing matters. We cope with how awful these things are with our humor. And we hope that never comes off as disrespectful for starters. Yeah. Yes.
01:19:49
Speaker
My brain just stopped working halfway through that sentence. It just completely stopped. But either way, we're going to find super good things to talk about. There's a girl that I follow. Oh, positive. Thank you. There's a girl that I follow on TikTok and she does...
01:20:05
Speaker
I can't remember her name, but I'll figure it out for the episode when we start it. I think it's called Good Day Jen, or Good Things with Jen, or something like that. And she posts good things every day, good things that happen every day. And I really want to highlight her on this, because I feel like we need a good palate cleanser before we... Because we do focus. After everything.
01:20:30
Speaker
Exactly. We focus on the dark and twisties in the world because there's plenty of it, but we want to make sure that we also finish with a happy.
01:20:40
Speaker
But also, yeah, it's like we, you know, you guys listen to this for an hour, two hours, depending on how long this episode is. But it's like you guys listen to it. We also, we are drenched in it. We, I researched literally for a month straight on this fucking case. And so sometimes I just need like what my Instagram, my TikTok, I do, I don't really have to talk anymore. Everything is
01:21:06
Speaker
feel good shit. Except for that I have my animals, nature, and free dopamine.
01:21:13
Speaker
Yep, exactly. That's all of my social medias. Even I have a Tumblr, and Ellie can attest, is that it's all cottagecore, really chill, really nice. Very wholesome. We're not even going to talk about my Tumblr. But it does give dopamine just a very different way. It's not cottagecore, and I'm going to leave it at that. Yes. If you know, you know. Anywho.
01:21:44
Speaker
But yeah, so I like the idea of putting a good thing at the end of every case. I don't know if you guys know this, but the world has been a little crazy lately and no matter where you look,
01:22:06
Speaker
I know but no matter where you look it seems that there is someone dying that's in the most unfair situations and it's very easy to feel very helpless with all of this stuff going on. So if we just kind of take a moment to just remember why we're here and to not stress about the things we cannot control and to just be happy about the things that we can. Wait.
01:22:32
Speaker
Wait, we have to not shut us up for things we can't control? Wait, hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I didn't get the memo. I don't know if my brain can do that. Meeting. Yeah, I didn't miss that part. It's a work in progress. I missed that part. Yeah. This is why you didn't, you're supposed to be there for orientation. Yeah. Oh, fuck. That's why you, you called out, you said, you know what, it's fine. I'll catch up orientation afterward. And here we are.
01:23:00
Speaker
God damn it! Well... I guess there's only one last thing to say about this. Yep. And... SBC out. SBC out. Deuces.
01:23:18
Speaker
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