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Episode 18: The Moors Murders: Ian Brady & Myra Hindley Part 2
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Happy Monday Guys!
Part 2 has arrived! We finish off last week's story with just how evil Myra and Ian are, not to mention what happens to them!
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Introduction and Welcome
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Hey guys, I'm Lana. And I'm Ellie. And welcome to Scared Book Curious.
Plastic Pollution Discussion
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Personal Updates and Banter
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Happy Monday. Happy Monday. How are you? Um, I'm doing okay. I definitely need a new computer, but it's fine. Yes. Yes, you do. I completely agree with that. Yeah. But nope. Yep. So that's, that's about how good it's going.
00:02:16
Speaker
Yeah. Bluetooth is now no longer a luxury. It's a struggle, really. It's been what, three times now that this has happened? It's great. Yeah. So how is your Monday or how's your week and week?
00:02:32
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My week has been pretty good. We got a new hamper. We got some shelves. We put up some other shelves. We're just kind of putting the house together still because it's taken us a freaking year. Yeah. Oh, also with going back to one of the things where we're like, wow, being a homeowner will now, you know, can't say shit because my toilet just broke. So I mean, live in the dream.
Introduction to Myra Hindley and Ian Brady
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Speaker
Yeah, so we have a crazy case today yes, we're going on to do part two
00:03:12
Speaker
Yes, part two of Myra Henley and Ian Brady. So we just met them last week. And we got to know what they were like and how infatuated people were with one another. It's so nice. The whole, oh yeah, I didn't even meet him yet. And he's just, you know, the bee's knees. Yeah, I love him so much. I'm going to change everything.
The Crime Spree Begins
00:03:40
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Where we left off was July 12th of 1963, where they were planning the perfect murder and they were about to execute it. All right. How do you think this MOFO is going to execute it? How is it? Yeah. Well, I'll let you know. Let's get into it.
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by instructing Myra to drive a borrowed van around, and he followed in his motorcycle. So, once they came upon a suitable victim in his eyes,
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he would flash his headlights at her. His first pic was a young girl as they traveled down Gorton Lane. And instead of stopping, Henley continued to drive past this little girl. Now, why did she? Did she maybe have a change of heart? Let's hope. Does she even have a heart? No. It's like, your heart grew two sizes that day.
00:04:35
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No, it actually shrank that day. She actually kept driving because she recognized the girl. She's actually the mother of that girl is their neighbor.
00:04:47
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So you were saying the way you worded it sounded like you're like, she was the mother of that girl. Wait, imagine where the fuck did she know? And she felt like it would draw too much attention if they, you know, so they kept going. But around 730, as they were driving, they came upon Froxmer Street, which is a really weird word, Froxmer, Froxmer.
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I mean, it sounds like every other town recently. Brady did a little flashy flash with his little signal and Henley listened this time, pulled over and offered a ride to a girl named Pauline Reed. She was 16 years old.
00:05:31
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and she was actually heading to a school dance uh let's see i actually don't remember how old they are this is in 63 so they were born in 63 they were born in 38 he was born in 38 yeah so 20 something yeah okay i was thinking that they were like the same age as her i was like no she's a little younger okay she was heading to a school dance when myra had pulled her over well pulled over not pulled her over
00:06:03
Speaker
It was believed that she was more trusting of Henley because she recognized her as the older sister, as one of her classmates, because she had gone to school with Maureen. Yeah, it's really shitty. This is where the various accounts of exactly what went down is... This is going off of Henley's account. Alright, this is...
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Speaker
Mostly. There's some sprinkles of other but mostly Hindley. So, apparently, once Pauline was in the van, Myra had asked Pauline to help find an expensive glove that she had lost in Saddleworth Moor. Pauline agreed, and they went to the moor, which, I mean, did she though? Anyway, it doesn't matter. They went to the moor.
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And Brady followed them on a bike. Pauline was like, who the fuck that guy? Cause she's observant. She's aware of what's going on. And I was like, Oh, that's my, that's, that's my boyfriend. And he's going to help us look. Which at that point, I'm like, why are you not in the van? And why couldn't he have helped you before? Why the fuck do we need three people? Why am I here? Moral of the story here, guys, adults never need your help. Anyways, carrying on.
00:07:14
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Henley then claimed that she waited in the car while Brady and Pauline went off together. Which I would hate this so much if I was Pauline. I would be like, why the fuck you let me? Who the fuck's the sky?
The Cold Case of Pauline Reed
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Also, I'd be like, why am I looking only when looking for your glove? Why are you waiting? Yeah, it's your glove, bitch. So 30 minutes later, Ian comes back alone. And he took Myra to where the body of Pauline was lying.
00:07:43
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This is giving me Pied Piper vibes. Yeah, I know, it's gross. Anyway, her clothes were disarray. Two cuts were made to her throat, and these cuts had nearly decapitated her. They were very deep. One of the lacerations was four inches across her voice box, so just making it so she couldn't make noise. The collar of her coat and the necklace had actually been stuffed into the wound.
00:08:11
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Yeah, we're gonna push right through that. Brady admitted that he had raped Pauline, but this was only after Henley had questioned him about it. She then claimed that she waited with the body as Ian went to fetch a spade that he had hidden somewhere nearby because he was like there earlier and hid the spade.
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Myra reportedly went to the van while Ian did the burying and Ian's account was not too different on how things went down at this point other than the parts where he claimed Myra was actually present and she did participate in the sexual assault. Which later on, if you know what goes on later, it's not that hard to assume that that is true.
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I don't see Ian being a liar, but I do see Myra being a liar. The police, unfortunately, were unable to find any leads in Pauline's disappearance. No one was around when Pauline was abducted and there were no witnesses. Police had questioned a partner of hers, 15-year-old David Smith, and he was cleared of any involvement, but
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That was all of the leads that they have really gotten and they didn't really have anywhere to go from there so the case had gone cold.
The Abduction of John Kilbride
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Now we are going to November 23rd and we were in July but now
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November. Ian and Myra were on the prowl again because they're monsters. And they went to market on Ashton Underline, which is a location. And it sounds like I'm just putting words together, but it's a location.
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when they offered a 12-year-old boy John Kilbride a ride home, saying his parents might be worried about him since it's starting to get laid out. They promised him a bottle of sherry if they got into the car too. What? How was he? What the fuck? He's 12. It's like, oh, I like the good stuff. Not like, hey, I have a dog. No. Here, let me give you some alcohol because you're 12.
00:10:26
Speaker
Yeah. Once John was in a car, which was a Ford and Anglia. Okay. Brady had said that they took a detour to their house so that they could get the sherry, right? Which they had promised them. Well, of course, the famous gloves needed to be found still, right? So they asked for Hey, can you help me find these gloves? Wait, I'm so confused. I'm hang on a second. I'm confused.
00:10:52
Speaker
If you're giving this little kid a ride home, that should be what you need to get this kid in the car. Don't be like, oh, let me give you a ride home. And if you let me give you a ride home, I'll give you some sherry. That's weird. Yeah, but they wanted to be at the Moors, right?
00:11:10
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Yeah, but no, I'm just thinking the sherry part of like, why do you also need to coax him in with like reward him with sherry? Just be like, I am going to give you a ride home. I don't know. It just seems no idea. It just seems very like sketchy. Well, yeah, it is. It is. They're abducting a child. It is pretty sketchy. Yeah.
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So that glove, right? So John being the kind boy that he was, he's like, yeah, I'll help you find the glove in the moor. And once at the moor, Brady took John with him while Henley stayed in the car, according to her account. And Brady had sexually assaulted this boy. He tried to slit his throat with a six inch serrated blade before giving up, I guess, and strangling him with a string or shoelace.
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A huge search went underway the moment John was noticed to be missing. Police took roughly 700 statements, and around 500 flyers were printed to be distributed amongst the community. Eight days after John had failed to come home, around 2,000 volunteers all went out and looked at wastelands,
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decrepit buildings and search for this boy. They just want to find him. And nothing was found.
Keith Bennett's Tragic Story
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So before these monsters continued their reign of terror, Henley purchased a used Austin Traveler, which when I looked it up kind of reminded me of a Mini Cooper type of shape vehicle. But Myra traded that car for a minivan. So I guess more space.
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Yeah. She had just gotten her driver's license before making this purchase too, so now she can make me drive. I was going to say. If you're going to keep doing this, you better have a license. You better have a license. Because that's the least of your worries, right? Yeah.
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So now we're going to go to June 16th of 1964, which, you know, at this point when I start saying dates, you know, shit's about to go down. Yeah. Henley asked a 12 year old boy, Keith Bennett, to help load some boxes into her car and then offering to drive Keith home after he helped her, which he of course accepted because, you know, it beats walking to his grandmother's house, right?
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Also, remember kids, adults don't need your help. And also, if you're listening to this, where is your parents? Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Don't listen to this. If you're young enough to still need your parents' approval, yeah, don't be listening to this. But of course, though, instead of driving Keith home, they went to a lay by on Saddleworth more.
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and leaving Keith with Brady so that they could go look for this damn glove. If you haven't found it three times, then maybe stop looking for it. Just give up, dammit. Buy a new glove. I was gonna say, just buy a new glove. I get it's expensive, but you've looked for it three times now.
00:14:20
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Well, each time they're only looking for 30. I'm just kidding. They don't look at all. But 30 minutes later, Brady was walking back to his car carrying a shovel. Ian claimed to have sexually assaulted Keith before strangling him with a string. Just awful. Keith's stepfather, Jimmy Johnson, was the first suspected in the disappearance of Keith. Which is, I mean, I can only imagine how hard that is for him.
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apparent. John was taken in for questioning four separate times. Police searched the family's house for any clues to show where Keith could have gone, searching under the house's floorboards. They did find that all the houses on the street were connected, so the search also turned into a very big search, and they found nothing.
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relating to Keith or any of the children's disappearances while they were looking. So that was a waste
Family Dynamics and Friendships
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effort. But I guess they found out that the houses are connected. Which is kind of weird. Yeah, a little bit. Henley's sister, Maureen, would go to marry David Smith. Yes, the same David Smith that was questioned for Pauline's disappearance. Good. Same guy. Great. I feel so bad for this man.
00:15:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Well, you'll just you'll see. You'll see. Now, this was a haphazardly arranged marriage. They went to a register office and none of the relatives showed up. Oh, yeah. It is reported that Myra did not approve of this marriage and their mother was embarrassed because Marine was already six months pregnant and disapproved of David. So David.
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is the same one that dated Pauline and is now, could you imagine? Could you imagine? Like after all of this comes out of like, oh, small fucking world.
00:16:15
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, they disapproved of David even before they got pregnant due to his criminal convictions from when he was 11. Ma'am? Because when he was 11, he had gotten into a fight and charged with committing bodily harm and assault that caused wounds and bruises. Talk about calling the kettle black, ma'am.
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Yeah, well, once Marine and David were married, they moved into David's father's house. Um... I have no words.
00:16:52
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I have no words. And the day after their wedding, the 16th of August, Brady would suggest that the two couples went to a trip to Windermere for four days. And that would be the first time that Brady would meet David. And by many accounts, they all got along really well.
00:17:12
Speaker
they would have all sorts of casual conversations, you know, about society, wealth, robbing banks, because who doesn't talk about robbing banks? Okay, but also, like, if you have heard our conversations, though, that we have, like, when they could just get, like, very philosophical, and like, you know, when we're actually talking about deep things. We've also known each other for a very long time. That's very true. But I'm like,
00:17:41
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I mean, I get deep, but you know what I don't talk that way to? People I just met. I mean, unless we connect, unless we really connect, like, okay, then, you know, that's how I know you're my person. Well, they really connected. No, nobody should connect with Ian Brady. Nobody.
00:18:02
Speaker
Yeah, well, this guy did. And Ian apparently really liked David enough that he would pay for anything David ate and drank for like the entire day they were hanging out. I thought she meant like forever. For forever, for the rest of the year, ever. Their trip was something I read as a lake district, which I assume there was a lake. Nope, it was desert.
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It was just a giant, I don't know why they put it. Uh, Hindley even became jealous of Brady's newfound friendship with David. Even though it's like her sister's husband, but like, okay. Unfortunately, Myra and her sister also got closer. So it was, it worked out, right?
New Beginnings and Neighborhood Relations
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It's almost like that's how it should be. You know who is one of my closest friends? He was one of my closest friends. My sister's wife. Wow. It's almost like how it should be. Crazy. Yep. And I mean, look at my, Kelce is one of your good friends. Like, seriously. Yeah, exactly. It's like, that's Myra. Shut up.
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In late 1964, Henley, her grandmother, and Brady were rehoused as part of like a post-war slum clearance kind of thing going on in Manchester. Okay. We have a cluster of money. Let's fix our shit. They were moved to 16 Wirtlebrook Avenue in Hatter's Lee.
00:19:37
Speaker
I think it's not too far, but I'm not sure because this was a lot to keep up on, so I didn't hook this up. But anyway, there were neighbors that the couple got close to that lived four doors down in 12. Patricia Hodges, an 11-year-old girl, would accompany the two on trips to Saddlewood more, which is terrifying to think of. We know, but they didn't know. And this is where they would collect 11.
00:20:09
Speaker
Well, they would go to collect peat for their garden because apparently this was very common because the soil was ruined due to the construction. That's what I've heard. Yeah, that's what even people tell us to do. They didn't do anything to her. Neither Brady or Henley ever harmed Patricia. Well, you know why? Because they would have fucking noticed, stupid ass. Yeah, that's because it's too close to them, right? Fucking assholes. I know.
00:20:39
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They figured that she lived too close and they had gotten too close to her and that that was just way too connected. It's not because they cared for this little girl, which is gross.
Leslie Ann Downey's Abduction
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Anyway, I hate people. So.
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We are now going to jump to early hours of December 26. Henley brought her grandmother to a relative's house and left her there, refusing to bring her back to her home in fricking Wardlebrook for a night. Only for a night, but still it's really annoying. Later in the day, Brady and Henley went out to a fun fair.
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to do the most unfun thing ever. And this fun film was located in Anne Coates. Oh yeah, homework, because you know about books that he recommends to you.
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Could you imagine him being like, no, you cannot go ride the Ferris wheel until you've answered questions eight, 13, 15, and 27. And you have to get them all right. Oh goodness. That would be honestly, I prefer that instead of what they did. They instead, they found a victim at a fucking fair because they're monsters. Because they're monsters.
00:22:06
Speaker
Ugh. So this girl was 10 years old. Her name was Leslie Ann Downey. And she was at the fair being a kid, you know, having fun. But she seemed to be alone, so they approached her. And they deliberately dropped some bags that they were carrying because they utilized someone's compassion. Yep.
00:22:30
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This is why kids you never help anybody So they asked, you know using Utilizing her compassion they asked if Leslie could help them carry the bags to their car because they just couldn't manage it's just and I don't want to take more than one trip see
00:22:58
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But I'm just thinking, how many bags is a 10-year-old gonna carry? None of them. Two? She can, yeah, that, that, how is she gonna help? Okay. She's not. That's, but that's not the point. That's literally not the point.
00:23:18
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And I like, I don't even know how many bags they had, but they asked her and she then said, yes. And then they asked, Hey, could you accompany us to, uh, Wortlebrook and help them bring these bags inside their house? And this part, like weird, this would have had me like out. I'm out club scout deuces. I'm out of here. Um, but Leslie was a kind soul.
00:23:45
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and she just wanted to help so she uh helped them bring the bags in and uh once at the house i'm gonna trigger warn you guys trigger warn the fuck out of you guys okay this part is is rough so just so we're not gonna push you know i'm just gonna you can't unfortunately you have to stay here so i'm so i'm out
00:24:10
Speaker
Yeah, no, we're going to just push right through this though. Okay. So, um, Leslie was forcibly undressed, gagged and posed for, um, pornographic photos. She was raped and then killed. And she was killed by strangulation by a string or a piece of cloth. Henley claimed that she was never active or, uh, present for any of these monstrous evil
00:24:40
Speaker
Ugh, just cruel things that were done to Lesley. Yeah. If there's a hell, it's for them. She claimed to only come upon the aftermath of the crime. Oh, of course she did. Which, I don't believe that, but that's just me.
00:25:02
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She claimed that she was actually going to fill a bath for Leslie when she was murdered. Why the fuck was she taking a bath? I what? Okay, anyway, this is the bath of life. I understand. Like, oh, no, she got something on herself. Okay, there's a paper towel. There's a sink.
00:25:22
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Did she, did she pee herself? Did she like, no, she didn't knock it the fuck off. It's just not good. Anyway, she returned to find her body. Brady would argue that Henley actually was the one that killed Leslie. Yeah, me too.
00:25:42
Speaker
Leslie was in fact noticed to be missing from the fair and despite there being a huge search yet again, there were no witnesses and no one had seen where she disappeared from or went to and there was nowhere to point them. How? How is there no witnesses? You're at a fair. You're at a fair. See, this is why
00:26:08
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I could never be a police officer because I'd be like, are you stupid? What the fuck are you doing? You work.
00:26:16
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And I can only imagine what it would be like as a parent knowing that so many people want to help to go out and find your baby, but no one was able to find anything with all of the efforts. Yeah, that is so sad. It's heartbreaking.
Edward Evans' Murder and Aftermath
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On the 27th, Brady and Henley took poor little Leslie's body to Saddleworth Moor and buried her in a shallow grave. And they had folded her clothes and put it in a pile at her feet.
00:26:43
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After finishing this, they went to pick up Henley's grandmother and brought her back to the house. Oh, good. Oh, good. Yeah. So now we are going to jump to October 6th of 1965. Henley drives Brady to Manchester Central Railway Station in hopes of finding a new victim.
00:27:04
Speaker
She waited outside in the car as he went into the station. Brady returned after a few minutes with a 17 year old boy named Edward Evans in tow. Brady told Henley that he had lured Edward with the promises of sexual encounter. So I guess at this point he specifically went out for a boy. I don't know. Brady introduces Henley to Edward as his sister, which is weird. I wonder, I want to know if Myra was okay with that.
00:27:32
Speaker
I mean, she got annoyed because he was too close to his brother-in-law. Yes, but this is to kill, so I'm not sure exactly where the line is. I don't know. I don't know how they work. The three of them returned to Wardlebrook home.
00:27:56
Speaker
And they all relaxed with a bottle of wine, hung out, chilled, you know. And this is where Brady reportedly told Henley to go get David. You know, the brother-in-law, the homie, yeah. Maureen's husband. Well, she did. David was told to wait outside of the house until the signal. And the signal was flashing lights. So when signaled, David knocked on the door and came in. He was met with Brady asking if he would come for the
00:28:25
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miniature wine bottles, and Brady left him in the kitchen, claiming that he was going to get the wine. Okay.
00:28:31
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Smith was quoted describing the moment after that after he was left alone in the kitchen, you know, just chilling. And this was when the police questioned him. So he is in custody at this point. Right. At that of this quote, I waited about a minute or two. Then suddenly I heard a hell of a scream. It sounded like a woman really high pitched. Then the scream carried on one after another really loud. Then I heard Myra shout, Dave, help him.
00:29:01
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very loudly. When I ran in, I just stood inside the living room and I saw a young lad. He was lying with his head and shoulders on the couch with his legs on the floor, facing upwards.
00:29:14
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Ian was standing over him, facing him, with his legs on either side of the young lad's legs. The lad was still screaming. Ian had a hatchet in his hand. He was holding it above his head, and he hit the lad on the left side of his head, with the hatchet. I heard the blow. It was a terrible blow. It sounded horrible."
00:29:37
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David watched as Brady strangled Edward with an electrical cord after hitting him with the hatchet roughly 14 fucking times. Jesus Christ. This is like some weird suppressed gay rage. I was just gonna say that.
00:29:55
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Yeah. In the struggle, Brady sprained his ankle. Oh no. So he was unable. I know, right? It just makes me laugh. Oh, poor baby. Hurt, like literally murdered someone with an axe and he's like, oh, my ankle. So he was unable to move Edward's body. David couldn't carry Edward to the car alone either.
00:30:17
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So, whomever was involved with moving Edward's body, it was honestly unclear because of conflicting accounts. I'm not sure which one's true.
00:30:26
Speaker
Well, there are three people in the house. Two of them can't do it alone. That leaves one other person, Myra. One other person. Again, conflicting accounts, though. We just don't have the proof. Either way, Edward's body was wrapped in a plastic sheet and left in a spare bedroom. That's how it was.
00:30:49
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So, at around 3 a.m., David comes home to Maureen after promising to come back tomorrow morning to help move Edward's body to the moor. Because that's where you move bodies. He said that he would bring his baby stroller to help move the body, which you better fucking burn that baby stroller. This whole thing's wrong. All of us is bad. Also, how are you gonna fit a 17-year-old in a baby stroller?
00:31:14
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fucking don't know. I don't know. I truly don't have the answer to that. Marine made David a cup of tea and they sat down and talked. David drank some of his tea
00:31:28
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before vomiting and revealing everything that had happened at his sister's house just completely spilled the beans. All of it. Okay, but honestly me though. And this is finally where we have the end in sight. Okay, we can see the end of the tunnel at this point, right?
00:31:48
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At around 6 a.m., David arms himself with a screwdriver and a bread knife as he walks around the phone booth that was on the estate. So he's just kind of armed himself. He's ready for anything. Because ultimately he was terrified that Brady was watching him and he felt for sure that he was next. David called the police from the phone booth and he was picked up by them from the phone booth.
00:32:14
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and he was taken to the Hyde police station. And this is where David tells officers about everything he had witnessed between Brady and Henley and all that bullshit. So after the confession,
00:32:28
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a superintendent, Bob Talbot, and a detective sergeant went to Wardlebrook. Both knew that if they came to the house as police, they would not get to speak to either of them. They'd get spooked out of there. So Talbot dressed as a bread delivery man, which I guess used to be delivered to the back door.
00:32:49
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because he knocked on the back door. And that was normal. Not 100% sure how those things work. No, that is that that's a real thing. That's why because a lot of the times it just became, um, it's kind of like this, the servants door or the maid, the maid door of like, Oh, I see what you mean. coming in, especially for like, if you're a higher class, like, that's why a lot of old houses have back doors leading to the kitchen. Um, yeah, so
00:33:22
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Henley answered the door, denying that there was even a man in the house or that she even had a husband. There was nothing. There's nobody there.
00:33:31
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But once Talbot identifies himself, once Talbot identified himself as not being a delivery man, and in fact the superintendent of the police, Henley backed down and let him inside. Brady was sitting in the living room, laying on the couch, because he was writing his employer about his ankle injury.
Investigation and Arrests
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It's like, sorry you can't come to work.
00:33:58
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My ankle is sore. Oh no. Henley denied that there was any violence that had taken place the evening prior. There's nothing. I don't know what you're talking about, Oscar. She even allowed the officer to search the home. When Talbot reached the spare bedroom where Edward's remains were being stored, the door was locked.
00:34:20
Speaker
And this is where he goes, hey, why the fuck is this door locked? Can we go inside? And I'm not sure if they thought this was gonna, like, they're just gonna be like, oh, the door doesn't work. Oh, well, we'll go to the next one. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what she thought. But asked for the key. Henley claimed that she didn't have the key because she had left it at her place of work.
00:34:42
Speaker
So Talbot was like, Oh, no, it's fine. That's fine. I'll drive you to your work and we can go get the key. Um, that is where Brady ordered Henley to hand over the damn key. So she did.
00:34:53
Speaker
inside the room was of course Edward's body wrapped in plastic Brady was arrested on suspicion of murder and Brady claimed that Edward and him had a quote row and the situation had got out of hand end quote and I had to look up what a hell the row is and it's just a loud disagreement or argument that's what I'm gonna call everything like oh they're just having a row don't mind them
00:35:16
Speaker
On the 11th of October, Henley was arrested for being an accessory to the murder of Edward Evans. Police searched the home again and they found an old exercise book with the name John Kilbride on the front of it. This linked Brady and
00:35:31
Speaker
I know. This linked Brady and Henley to his disappearance. And this is what leads them to think, oh, maybe the other young people that disappeared in this area might be related to these two. Smith told the police that Brady had requested that he returned anything incriminating to him. And then Brady put all of the incriminating items that he had in a suitcase so that the police didn't find anything.
00:35:55
Speaker
But the police didn't find any suitcase or anything around the house. So David told the police that Brady had a thing about railway stations. So they went to go search for this suitcase at a nearby station. So they go to Manchester Central Way Rail Station. Police find suitcases.
00:36:16
Speaker
in Lost and Found luggage office. And they would later claim to find a ticket with the same office inside of Henley's prayer book. Which, why, the prayer book? Really? That's just luck. Anyway. Yeah. They're like, no, we will look here.
00:36:32
Speaker
Inside one of the suitcases, they found a bunch of random costumes, notes, pictures, negatives, and tape recordings. Within the pictures and the negatives, nine of them were of Leslie Downey, posed pornographicly. The tape recording was 16 minutes long of a young girl. She was identified as Leslie Ann Weston. No. Yeah.
00:36:56
Speaker
She was screaming crying and begging to be let go brought back to her mother. Leslie's mother confirmed that the recording was of her daughter. Could you imagine just being her mom? I don't want to listen to that makes my heart hurt. Yeah, having to listen to that and be like having to because like I've even heard that. Was it the toy box killer?
00:37:19
Speaker
Um, they also did that so much. Yeah. They also did that too, where they recorded everything. And so the victim's families had to identify, there we go, had to identify the victims on tape. And I, um, no, no, no. Well, outside of those nine photos mentioned, um, there were pictures of, of the Saddlewood moor itself.
00:37:47
Speaker
David told police how the pictures were likely the photographic proof of the murders, since Brady would often brag about multiple murders. Police questioned Brady on why he felt the need to dispose of the seemingly normal landscape photos. So that was added to the evidence, for obvious reasons.
00:38:09
Speaker
Officers question Myra and Ian's neighbors. This included speaking to Patricia Hodges, the child that would help them gather Pete. Remember? Yeah. They confirmed that the couple's favorite spot was along the A635 road. Yeah. So I don't know exactly where that road is, but I'm assuming it's a road along the moor.
00:38:34
Speaker
October 16th, an arm is found sticking out of the peat in the moor and the arm was later identified as Leslie's arm. Her mother would identify the clothing. I mean, I'm glad. I'm glad that they got lazy, but it's like.
00:38:50
Speaker
I don't think so. I think that there's a lot of rain and the peat changes a lot. I think her mother would later identify the clothing that was buried at her feet as her daughters. So now the police are starting to get traction. They start to utilize the photographs that they found to try and locate the different locations that the bodies may be. They even enlisted the help of locals to find the areas in the photos.
00:39:15
Speaker
This led to the discovery October 21st of a badly decomposed body that was found identified as John Kilbride. And this was this happened because they were able to figure out based on clothing. On the same day, Henley and Brady were officially charged with the murder of Leslie Downey. I don't know why, but like, out of all of them, like, OK, all of the murders were horrible, but I'm glad that like they really got them on Leslie.
00:39:45
Speaker
Because, like, Leslie, that was like one of their darkest, you know? As November came around, authorities had to call off the search. Although it was suspected that Henley and Brady were involved in more disappearances of other children and teens in the Manchester area, police were trying to date the photos they had. Due to the fact that a lot of the photos had Henley and her dog,
00:40:11
Speaker
So they were able to kind of gauge based on the age of the dog. Oh, okay. A veterinary surgeon put puppet under a local anesthetic because they had some complications. I think she had an infection, so they needed to do surgery.
Trial and Sentencing
00:40:28
Speaker
And there were some complications during the surgery, which resulted in puppet not waking up. Aww.
00:40:37
Speaker
She accused the police of murdering her dog, which I can't say I blame her because it happened in their custody. I would be beside myself. Officers did note that puppets death was the only time that they witnessed Henley react with emotion the entire time she was in custody. I mean, I wouldn't say that same, but like, because I would never kill anybody. But that's how we react like with sadness.
00:41:07
Speaker
the same I think like I don't think it's selective like it's just extra. Thank you. Okay, I'm glad I'm not twisted. Okay. Well, that's unrelated. But anyway, both Ian and Myra entered the not guilty plea which the audacity the audacity
00:41:27
Speaker
But honestly, it only took 14 days to sentence them. They're like, oh, you said not guilty. Bitch, you thought. Bitch, you thought. Brady was found guilty on three murders, as they know. At the time, that's what they knew of. Edward Evans, Leslie Downey, and John Kilbride. His sentencing was three life sentences to run concurrently at HM Prison Durham.
00:41:58
Speaker
He would have received the death penalty, but shortly after him being arrested, they actually abolished it. So. Of course they did. I'm like, can't you just like grandfather him in because it was before, but whatever. Grandfather him in. Hindley, on the other hand, was only found guilty of two of the murders, Leslie's and Edwards.
00:42:24
Speaker
She was also charged with harboring a murderer with the knowledge of John's murder. She received two life sentences for the murders and another seven years for harboring Brady. All of this was served concurrently and she served her time in H.M. Prison Holloway.
00:42:43
Speaker
With the help of Brady and Henley and Smith, all searching the moor throughout the years, police were able to find Pauline Reed's remains, July 1st of 1987. Pauline was found just three feet below the surface and roughly 75 to 100 yards from where Leslie's body was found.
Henley and Brady's Final Years
00:43:02
Speaker
Unfortunately, they have never been able to find Keith Bennett's remains. That's so weird. Yeah. Also, it's sad.
00:43:11
Speaker
Could you imagine the guilt of David of like. One, you you marry this one girl, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you find out that her sister murdered this girl you were dating, you know, you had dated and then it's just and you were like friends with them that that would like you just can't seem to get away from these fuckers. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:39
Speaker
Well, Myra Henley died in West Sussex Hospital after being transported from HMP High Point in November of 2002. What? At the age of 60. Yeah. She died from respiratory failure following a heart attack. Oh no. Oh. Oh no. It's a really shitty way to go. Bar. Yeah.
00:44:05
Speaker
She was a heavy smoker and in 1999, she was actually diagnosed with angina. Dang it. Oh no. Man, I've heard that really hurts and it's painful. Dang it. And for those of you who don't actually know what angina is, that's actually just chest pain caused by her reduction of blood flow to the heart. Dang it. Oops. She was also hospitalized after suffering a brain aneurysm around the same time.
00:44:35
Speaker
Her last words were documented and privately handed over by Myra Henley herself, just hours before she died. These documents revealed that Brady and Henley shared hatred for each other. She accused him of drugging, raping, and beating her. In the letters, Henley's lawyer argued that she was coerced into committing these murders.
00:45:00
Speaker
and was threatened by Brady, as he told her that she would be in the same grave as Pauline.
00:45:20
Speaker
Yeah. Ian Brady died on May 15th of 2017 in a high security psychiatric hospital named Ashworth Hospital. That's not that far away. That's like, what is that? Five years? Yeah. Six years? And he was 79 when he died. Brady went on a hunger strike.
00:45:44
Speaker
I know. I agree. Or maybe he did. He has to live with it. Actually, he has to have a conscious in order for that to work. Nevermind. So anyway, Brady went on a hunger strike in 1999, which resulted in him being force fed.
00:45:55
Speaker
No. The judges had ruled that he was mentally ill, and he had to be fed via tube. And that is actually how he was fed until his death. Because he refused to eat. That's how he died. Because it like got caught. I was like, good. It was a plug. They kinked it like when you kink a hose, you know, like, Oh my god, that'd be great. And days prior to his passing, it was reported that he had actually pulled the tube out.
00:46:23
Speaker
He never expressed remorse for the killings or anything really. Ian had been held at the psychiatric hospital since 1985 and his official cause of death was a chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
00:46:41
Speaker
Which is a condition that affects the lungs. But having emphysema along with other ailments really didn't help. It just took him the hell out. It is believed that his final wishes was to be cremated and have his ashes scattered at the same moor that he buried his freaking victims.
00:47:00
Speaker
No, no, fuck you. You're not cremated, you're buried, and you're buried? We're somewhere completely Africa. Like, no. The furthest place, I don't even know if that's the furthest place, but that's the fir- I don't know my geography, guys. I failed geography. Yeah, no kidding. You're like the furthest place, the next continent down. Oh, goodness. But either way, no. Africa's actually closer than Canada.
00:47:30
Speaker
All the barium in Canada then. Fuck. Oh my god. Australia, Japan.
00:47:36
Speaker
Luckily though, the judge ordered that scattering his remains at Saddleworth Moor must be banned. So he's like, nah, you can't do that shit. So his ashes were scattered in an undisclosed location in the Irish Sea near Liverpool.
Remembering the Victims
00:47:52
Speaker
They just got yeeted into the ocean. That makes me so angry. My grandpa's sitting there with Ian Brady. No.
00:48:02
Speaker
My grandpa is floating in the sea with Ian Brady. No, the fuck not. They're just traveling the world together. Fuck you. Well, I honestly, I hope that both Myra and Ian are resting in misery because they deserve absolutely no peace. And I hope that all of their victims rest in the utmost peace, the most peace that is possible.
00:48:30
Speaker
Yeah, mouthpiece. So I'm going to go through real quick and acknowledge all of those that lost their lives because I think that that really needs to be more of a focus than these fuckers that died. Yes, the last thing on our. Yeah. So we're gonna go Pauline Reed, who is 16 years old, date of the murder was July 12 1963.
00:48:52
Speaker
She was found July 1st of 1987. She was buried in Gorton Cemetery in Manchester. John Kilbride, 12 years old, date of murder November 23rd, 1963, found October 21st of 1965, buried in Hurst Cemetery in Ashton Underline.
00:49:15
Speaker
Keith Bennett, 12 years old. Date of murder was June 16th, 1964. He has never been found. Believed to be in Saddleworth Moor somewhere. Lindsay Ann Downey, 10 years old. Date of murder, December 26th of 1964. Found October 16th of 1965. Buried, Southern Cemetery in Charlton-Come-Hardy.
00:49:46
Speaker
Edward Evans, 17-year-old. Date of murder, October 6th, 1965. Found October 7th of 1965. Buried Southern Cemetery in Trolton-Come-Hardy.
Closing Reflections and Listener Engagement
00:50:03
Speaker
And that is the Moore's Murders. I don't hate it. You've had this one for a long time, and I've just been... Yeah. ...completely...
00:50:15
Speaker
dreading the day that we had to go through this one. Like, yeah, me too. Me too. It was like, you're like, I'm like, well, it's after Halloween. So guess we got to do the Morse murders. Okay.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, all right, everyone go hug your animals, go hug your mom. Hug your loved ones. Yeah, hug your kids. Something. Have a moment to just be thankful that we are here and they're not. Yes. They're not in the same world as them.
00:50:49
Speaker
But I think we can't finish this episode as much as we want to make sure we bring acknowledgement to these young lives that were stolen. I feel like we need to end on a happier note.
00:51:07
Speaker
You know what? I have something. We went apple picking, you know, a bit ago, right? And Kelsey last night made the best apple pie I've ever had. It was so good. And I think I'm gonna go actually eat some in a little bit because
00:51:27
Speaker
That sounds great. I also I also actually just made pies. I made four of them. Hey, because my mother-in-law has mature. She has pear trees, apple trees, plum trees. And so the pears were ripe. And so and there were so many. And so I had enough to make four pies out of them. So everybody
00:51:52
Speaker
my husband was on every pie I made. He's like, is that one for us? And I was like, no, it's for fill in blank here. And he's like, ah, dang it.
00:52:02
Speaker
I was like, we get the last one. We get the last one, you know? Oh, good. So we have some nice treats. Everybody go out and find, go eat your favorite treat. Go treat yourself. Yeah, treat yourself. And if you don't have the money for it, um, that's okay. You don't have to spend money to treat yourself. Take yourself to your favorite location and just just go on a walk. Go on a walk and enjoy before it gets all snowy.
00:52:29
Speaker
And don't go alone. Yes, don't go alone. Don't walk alone. Walk during the daytime. Be careful. Make sure you tell someone where you are. You know. You know. You know. You know. If you listen into this, you know. You know.
00:52:45
Speaker
Thank you so much for listening, guys. And I'm glad to finally have this one done. And we are done with this one, at least. And that's it. That's our podcast. That's the end. And I'm just getting more terrible to come, but hopefully a little less terrible than this. Yes. So I guess that leaves one thing to say. Yes. SBC out. SBC out. Stella. Stella. Come here.
00:53:26
Speaker
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