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Episode 16: Joelma Building Disaster & Harry Charles Moore
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Happy Monday Guys!
This week we have a twofer for you all, Lana goes over the Joelma Building Disaster in Brazil! It's a sad one. Ellie goes over the case of Harry Charles Moore. This man was an Oregon-grown mess.
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Hey guys, I'm Lana. And I'm Ellie. And welcome to Scared But Curious.
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Ellie's Haunted House
00:02:28
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Good afternoon.
00:02:30
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Good afternoon. How are you? I'm pretty good. This week I saged my house, got some cleansing going on. We love that, especially after what we heard in that one recording of my house. Yeah. That was great. We're going to have to release that at another time, but they're straight up. Is someone saying hello? Was it?
00:02:59
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It was hello or like, Hey, or something like that. Something like that. In my house. Our editor caught it. Which I mean, it wasn't, I do live in a hundred year old house with like some haunted things in here. So it's fine. Yeah. It's fine. Whoever that was. Hi. But if you could keep it down while we're recording, that would be great. I'm just kidding. I will say I had, I had a talk with my little grandpa stuffed animal and I was like, when I'm recording, you need to knock it off.
00:03:29
Speaker
You can't say hi then. OK, like I get it. This is when the microphones out. But like, come on. But that is really sweet. If that is your grandpa, he's just like, hey, what's up? How are you doing?
The Wellma Building Tragedy
00:03:43
Speaker
Oh, God. Well, speaking of haunted things, today's story is about the Wellma building in Brazil. Oh.
00:03:56
Speaker
It is a crazy story. It is a ride. All right. There was a lot of tragedy that happened at this location. It's a hard one if I remember the bits that I do remember. I know there was a fire, right? Yes. Yes. I will say that this is actually one of my
00:04:19
Speaker
bigger fears in life. So this was a little hard to read. But, you know, mama didn't raise no bitch. So I got this. Oh, right. So we're gonna head to like I said, we're gonna head to Brazil.
00:04:36
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And we're actually going to start at a cemetery called São Pedro Cemetery in São Paulo, Brazil. This cemetery was built in 1972, but around 1990s time, there was an alarming amount of claims, all stating that something kind of supernatural and spooky was going on at the cemetery.
00:05:05
Speaker
Oh, spooky, spooky, spooky cemetery, which I actually read somewhere that cemeteries are one of the least haunted places, which you'd be like, weird, but makes it be honest.
00:05:19
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That makes sense, right? Because the people that are at the cemetery are quite literally laid to rest. Yeah. Hopefully, you hope at least. The people that may- Fingers crossed. In theory, they were laid to rest. But you know, the people that don't have like, have unfinished business, half the time it's because they're like, missing a head, right? That's what the poultry guy showed us.
00:05:43
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If anything is true, watch the poltergeist. Right? So we're actually going to jump back a couple of years.
00:05:52
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In 1972, like I said, when the cemetery was being built, Sao Paulo is one of the busiest cities in Brazil. But instead of hearing the normal things you would expect in a big city, there were claims of screams, which isn't too crazy for a big city.
00:06:15
Speaker
I was going to say, you start listing off claims that are different than a city. I'm like, I don't know what city you've been in, but I think I remember some screams. Some screams. Yeah. But there were screams and moans and cries for help, which again, you're in a big city. So maybe, but there were, but that's not good. Yeah. But the weird thing is, is that there would never be anybody in sight when these like screams and cries for help were being heard.
00:06:44
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I don't know if that's better. At least, you know, hey, there was actually no one in danger. It was just, you know, residual, hopefully. But also, was it? Man, you mess them with people, please. Yeah. So when you ask people about this cemetery, they tend to believe that this specific cemetery is haunted and that the dead seem to be restless here.
00:07:09
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If you follow the source of the cries, you'll find yourself at a mass grave, which that alone is, ugh, hate that. I don't like the mental image I have because we just talked about the catacombs, and I really don't think that's what it looks like. No, I don't. I don't think so. Oh gosh. I don't think so either. No. So. No, no.
00:07:37
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In this mass grave, there are 13 people and these 13 graves were some of the 179 people who lost their lives in a building fire. The building had about 756 employees that day.
00:08:00
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So we're going to move on to Friday, February 1st of 1974 at around 8.50 a.m. On the 12th floor of this 25-story building, only two years after its construction, there was a short circuit in an air conditioning unit.
00:08:24
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which resulted in the sparks that led to this fire, which that stresses me out. I know I already told you guys that building fire stress me out. But like, knowing that there was no it was an accident. Exactly. This was also in 1974 in Brazil. Yeah. So the fire regulations were not, you know,
00:08:50
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at the best, you know, they were they were non existent. Let's just put it that way. They were non existent. Yeah. Yeah. So like you just said, the Wilma building was built before a lot of safety precautions that are now put in place to prevent casualties in case of a fire. That means there were no fire alarms. There were no sprinklers. And I think the worst of all, there were no emergency exit exits.
00:09:18
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You know, I think even worse than this is I think I remember reading somewhere that there was a fire in a giant building that had a huge amount of people in it where they had learned the importance of at least a sprinkler system or something needed needed to be implemented in Brazil. Yeah, that they I'm not sure if the fire was actually in Brazil, but I do know that there was a fire that was they were aware of.
00:09:46
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Okay. And no changes had been made yet. I'm not sure if they were going to, but... Yeah. So the first 10 floors of the Huelma building had only like parking lots and only a handful of workers, which is great, you know, for people getting out wise. But the 11th and up were all office buildings filled with employees.
00:10:14
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But luckily the that's not so great. No, no, not at all. That's not so great. Yeah. But luckily the news of the fire traveled pretty quickly and a mass of people quickly grasped how bad the situation was. Which that's great. That's that's great. But. At this point, the fire department was called and they but the fire department wouldn't
00:10:44
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be there for like another 20 minutes. And sadly, that is more than enough time for fire to engulf the building pretty much. I mean, there's nothing to stop it.
00:11:00
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Yeah, it's it's carpet and there's just there's nothing to say. There's nothing probably would. And yeah, so. Mm hmm. And it's the 70s. So you know that there was probably that weird plywood shit. Yes. Oh, man. Yeah. And so now this building has turned into kind of like a a trap for all of these people. There's no place for them to go.
00:11:26
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Those who were on the 11th floor had enough time to evacuate from the building. They were filling the streets and along with people on the outside, just onlookers, staring up at the building and the horrors that were happening.
00:11:46
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The flames were getting worse, and there was this fire in the stairwell, and all of the windows shattered as the oxygen just got sucked out of this building, which... Ah, I hope nobody was standing next to the windows or anything because...
00:12:03
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Also, I hope the people on the ground were okay with all this glass just coming out. I hope everyone was okay. Does it explode? Yeah, I was saying that. Does it explode or implode? It would explode. That makes sense. Well, if it's a depletion of oxygen, are you sure it wouldn't implode? Oh, now you're asking too many science questions. I almost failed school, so don't ask me. I only took two science classes. I don't know.
00:12:33
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Yeah, I think it might implode because the air outside is colder and there's no more oxygen on the inside. So it's going to suck like vacuum effect.
00:12:42
Speaker
Oh, maybe, yeah. I don't know, I'll ask my husband to get back to you on that. Sure, sounds good. Let's do a Myth Busters. I'm sure there's a Myth Busters on it somewhere. Probably, probably. Or there's not, and people are just smart enough to know that it implodes or explodes. Yeah, or there doesn't need to be. Yeah. So firefighters could only get to the 16th floor, and there were 25 floors.
00:13:11
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So they couldn't get all the way up with their ladders and using helicopters would be way too dangerous because if they got too close to the fire, then the helicopters could explode. And that was the last thing that people needed right now was helicopters exploding. So. A giant ball of fire falling from the sky. So good.
00:13:38
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So those who were still inside the building, they grew more and more desperate to get out, of course. And although 500 people managed to escape, 170 people made it to the roof, which great, but that's the only way that they could go because, like I said, there was no fire exits. So 40 of these 170 people that made it to the roof
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decided that they would rather jump and take their chances at jumping.
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rather than burning in the fire. So sadly, none of the people that jumped survived, which is, ah, no, I hate it. And the sad thing was, was that at this point, the news and the media were at the scene. And so several cameras caught those moments. So a man named Suely,
00:14:45
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I'm hoping I say that right. I'm so sorry if I don't. This is also Portuguese. So I can do Spanish. I can't do Portuguese. He was a 20-year-old secretary at, again, Crefesul. That was a business in the building, and he described
00:15:12
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what it was like being trapped in the building on the upper floors when time was running out. He said, quote, we went through the unimaginable from trying to shrink and hide from the flames as they lift the ceiling to using the dead bodies to protect us from the fire. It was Dante's Hell. And Dante's Hell, for those of you who don't know what that is, is referring to Inferno, which is the first part of an epic poem written by Dante
00:15:42
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allegory, which again, if I mess that up, it's fine. Don't worry about it. It's about, so Dante's Inferno is about Dante's journey through the nine circles of hell. So, Versignasi was among those who were able to escape the flames, thankfully. Unlike those fortunate enough to get free, were the 13 men and women who lost their lives in a harrowing attempt to escape.
00:16:12
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they, these 13, they tried everything possible to escape with no avail. These 13 people, they came up with this plan. And this plan was kind of like the last resort. It was very risky. It's kind of risky now with the safety stuff we have in place. And so in the 70s, it was
00:16:36
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very risky. And their plan was the elevators, which somehow were still working. And I think this is part of the reason why nowadays, if there's a fire, they don't work. Because like they, you know, the elevators will stop. Because as you'll see, the elevators were not the right plan.
00:17:01
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So due to all of the smoke and the flames, finding the elevator turned into an entire mission all on its own. But they were all finally able to find the elevators and they all got in and one of them hit the button to close the doors.
00:17:22
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Once inside, it didn't really take long for them to feel the heat. Um, cause I mean, you are suspended in a metal box surrounded by flames and hot smoke.
00:17:33
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which oh my gosh this is the part that I'm like oh it's my claustrophobia and it stresses you out like this is stressing me out oh gosh all right so um it must have been like unbearable heat
00:17:53
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they pressed multiple buttons trying to get the elevator to go down away from the flames into safety. Well, I'm sure it felt like a miracle. The elevator came to life and started down to safety. At this point, most of the 13 had already inhaled a lot of smoke or were dehydrated and were just ready to collapse at any point.
00:18:21
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And as the elevator was slowly moving down, it met more flames yet again, resulting in the elevator stopping suddenly. And because of this, the hot metal box of an elevator, uh, it did not come crashing down at all. It just kind of stopped. So the elevator was suspended in the elevator shaft.
00:18:51
Speaker
And full of fire. That's full of fire and smoke and all of this stuff. So they're kind of just sitting there like a better word. Cooking, I guess, you know, like in an oven. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. My whole body is just not. Oh, I hate this. God damn it. This is like my biggest fear. OK.
00:19:16
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And as the elevator got hotter and hotter, the smoke just kept getting thicker and making it very hard to breathe. And oh my gosh, I have goosebumps. Oh my gosh. Because the group kind of quickly acknowledged that there was no one coming for them. And it was going to be because no one knew they were there. Yeah. And it was impossible for anyone to reach them.
00:19:43
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in time. And I have the biggest chills and the biggest goosebumps because oh gosh like I'm about to cry.
00:19:55
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Oh, man. The 13. Do you want me to finish this? I might need you to. Yeah. Yeah. Especially this next little chunk. I can't. I can't. I'm sorry, guys. Oh, God. All right, you guys, for those of you that don't know, I can open up the story and read along with her. So I'm going to pick up. And that's the one part that I just can't like I can like I can picture it and it's going to make me cry. It is heartbreaking.
00:20:25
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Okay, the 13 people all huddled together, seeking the last bit of comfort that they possibly could get, and they all held on to each other in a tightened brace, preparing for what is inevitably coming.
00:20:40
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When firemen got the flames under control and were able to enter the building and start the recovery process, 179 lives were lost on that day. But when the firemen came up on that 13, it was both gruesome and heartbreaking. And the remains of the 13 had partially fused with the metal walls. So it was impossible to kind of tell where the people were and where they weren't anymore.
00:21:09
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They didn't know who was who, what they had on, their names, or where all the bodies ended. Yeah. Oh god. They're joined in a joined grave in Sao Pedro Cemetery, which is where those cries and moans are coming from. And now the cries and moans went from being very spooky ooky to being just heartbreaking.
00:21:37
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Yeah. But on the upside, there's claims that giving the graves cups of water or pouring the water onto the grave helps calm the restless souls. And I guess that means it's intelligent. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I can take it from here if you want. All right. So.
00:22:02
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Yeah, I really hope that they're, I feel bad, but I hope that they're not intelligent and that they're not just like stuck in their like death state because you already went through literal torture.
00:22:18
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dying, I cannot even imagine having to relive that for eternity. Oh my god. So kind of crazy side note, at the time of the fire in 1972, the Huelma building fire had the highest number of deaths attributed to a skyscraper tragedy, which is kind of crazy. Like I thought that there would at least definitely be more, you know,
00:22:47
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knowing how people built skyscrapers those back in the day honestly, I have a strong feeling that There's definitely deaths, but there wasn't this amount because it's attributed to skyscraper tragedies That doesn't take much for people to go Okay, we need to change something. Yes, think about all the changes that happened after 9-11. I
00:23:10
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That's true. So after it's crazy because the this is like in the world. So this Huelma building was the biggest skyscraper death or tragedy, sorry, in the world. And the record was only beaten when the World Trade Center's collapsed in New York. So that is that is crazy. Wow. Like I said, things change after that. Yeah.
00:23:40
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All right, so the weird thing is, is that the Huelma building disaster wasn't even the first like tragic thing to have happen on that land. So in 1948, there was a cul-de-sac of houses that once stood where the Huelma building is today. One of the houses, one of the houses named the Campbell House was there. This house had another name though, the Anyangabao.
00:24:08
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which means home of the devil, a 26 year old chemist named Paulo Camargo. I'm guessing that's how you say it. In some places it was Paul Campbell. So I'm not sure which name is accurate, but I'm guessing that's just a translation.
00:24:30
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So he lived on the land with his mother and two sisters. And one evening, Paulo murdered his entire family and dragged the bodies outside, which, okay, reasonable reaction. He buried them on the property before killing himself. Police could find no definitive motive as to why, but they worked on two theories.
00:24:57
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that why he had committed such a terrible crime. The first theory was that his family had rejected his girlfriend, which I've had rejected boyfriends in the past. There's no reason to kill people, but you know, it's fine. And I guess he was just in so much in love with that girl that
00:25:18
Speaker
You know, that was the only answer. That was the only answer, apparently. And the second theory is that his family was so sick that they didn't have the means to take care of themselves. So Paulo decided to kill them and himself, I guess it was like a pity, a pity killing. I don't know. I don't know.
00:25:43
Speaker
The murder-suicide is still a mystery to this day, and I don't think that we will ever have answers to this. And what's crazy is that when the bodies of the victims of the murder-suicide were being recovered, one of the firemen actually contracted a cadaveric infection from one of the bodies.
00:26:09
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which is when let's say you have a cut on your hand and there is bodily fluid or you know, blood or whatever.
00:26:19
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comes in contact with that cut, you can get an infection from that and you will die from that infection. So because of that, that resulted in another life lost, which is so sad. Imagine you're just doing your job and that happens. That's so sad.
00:26:40
Speaker
But due to all the deaths, even before the Huelma building, it got the reputation of being haunted and cursed. And now this got the attention of Sao Paulo's population, and the triple murder-suicide thing really impacted everybody. The property, along with the name Home of the Devil, was also known as the Crime of the Well. Since it had a well,
00:27:09
Speaker
on the property. I'm not I'm not sure that if through the years it was like a translation issue, I guess, or if maybe he put the bodies in the well. I don't know. I don't I don't know. Oh, that would make more sense.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Because I'm like, what? That'd make a lot more sense. What? That would be like being like, oh, man, the the crime of the roof because the roof because the house had a roof on it. What? So going back to the the land and now the Huelma building is on that land that the murder happened on. Um,
00:27:46
Speaker
And after this fire, it was forbidden. The building was forbidden to go into for years, of course. Duh. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But after a while, it reopened. And so now this building is a, you know, the building, the Huelma building is a working building now. And that's great, I guess. And it's now renamed Flag Square. So that's great.
00:28:16
Speaker
And from what I was reading, yeah, what I was reading along with the 13 ghosts at the cemetery, there's also like this building is just haunted, which of course, 179 people died. Of course it's haunted.
00:28:36
Speaker
Yeah. I read that you can still see people that have jumped off the building. You can still see their ghosts. And they're like, again, still stuck in that death state. And yeah, so that was the story of the Huelma building and the land that it sits on. So that's... I really hope that's residual. I really, really, really do too.
00:29:06
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I really, really do. Because I would not wish that on my worst enemy to just be like just being stuck in your death state. That just seems horrible. I don't know. So yeah, that was the
00:29:23
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like you have to be bad in life to be stuck in that like that has to be residual there's like wow that's just an awful so uh well thank you yeah so to end oh my dog also says thank you well you're welcome stella i love you she makes the whole story better
00:29:48
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She just had to say something before you finished. Exactly. She's like, I gotta be in here too. I am the third co-host, so of course.
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00:31:38
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All right. So we just finished, you know, Huelma.
The Harry Charles Moore Case
00:31:43
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And now we are going to talk about this awful person named Harry Charles Moore. That one was, yeah, Huelma was super sad. But now we're talk, we're, we'll talk about this one. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now. And I'm so sorry if
00:32:07
Speaker
You all can hear my dog during this one. We've been recording for a while, so he's a little antsy, and I think he needs to go potty. But we just have to do this one, and then I can take him potty. So if you hear him. Yes, it's a short case. We'll get this done.
00:32:21
Speaker
Yeah. Did you hear him? Sorry about that. Alrighty. So Harry Charles Moore. He was born May 5th of 1941 in Salem, Oregon. Now I did my best to find literally anything about his childhood and life before his crimes and that got nothing. Fucking nothing. So we're just going to jump into the crimes. This is why I say it's going to be a short one.
00:32:48
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Now, it gets kind of confusing, so I'm going to kind of tell you the cast of this crime. So, um, so other than Harry Charles Moore, there's Barbara Cunningham, and that is Moore's half-sister. Barbara's ex-husband is Thomas Laurie, okay? He's also in it. So Thomas and Barbara are the parents of Cindy, and that is also Harry's wife. Okay, okay, okay.
00:33:16
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Wait. Wait. Hang on. So many names. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Hang on. Yeah. His half sister and her husband. Yes. Are the daughter of Cindy. No. Are their daughters. Sorry. Their daughter is Cindy. That's what I meant. Yes. Their daughter is Cindy. And yes. But he's married to. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. What?
00:33:44
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Yes, he married his niece. Yeah. Ew! Ew, wait, what? Efors, I was like, no, wait, hang on. I must be thinking of this wrong. Wait, no, I guess I'm not. You're not. You're not. And he did this twice. He married two of his nieces and I couldn't find any information on the other marriage.
00:34:09
Speaker
So were they sisters? Or was it just a different was it just a different sister? Like, I have no idea. I couldn't find who this woman was. I'm sure she's tried her best to disappear. Could you imagine being like, could you imagine being like, Oh, yeah, this this lady isn't working out for me. So guess I'll go to the next sister.
00:34:31
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Like I'm just going to go down the family tree. It's fine. Just check off. I hate it. So Harry was, you know, I, you know, I don't even know what to call this guy. Um, I don't know what to think of him because of the lack of information. Like I don't, what was the norm in their family was this, I think it was a normal thing because I believe his, his mother is actually the one that married them.
00:35:04
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Yeah. What? I want to know what the sister thought. Wait, wait, wait, does this take place in like Alabama? Sorry for anybody listening in Alabama, but you know, you get it. You're fine. This is Salem, Oregon. What? Yeah. Yeah. I have so many questions, Oregon.
00:35:23
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Yeah, this is something else. So, yeah, apparently it was normal to an extent or- It was normal in this family. Well, the mother to the- I don't know the family dynamic because it seemed that Thomas and Barbara were kind of trying to talk their daughter out of the marriage and asking her to leave.
00:35:47
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Well, I don't know. I can't speak for it. I truly do not know. But her uncle husband... Sorry, that was probably really fucking loud. I'm so sorry.
00:36:02
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He was infuriated by his step-sister and ex brother-in-law. It's also his mother-in-law and father-in-law. Oh, you're right. Oh, God. He's got a sister mom. Geez, I'm so done with that. Anyway.
00:36:33
Speaker
So they didn't like that. He felt that they were interfering with his marriage to his niece. So sorry. So sorry. Apparently this had gotten through to Cindy because they had stirred up the process of leaving Harry and Harry blamed Cindy's parents and his sister. I mean, at least they're not blood, I guess.
00:36:58
Speaker
Cause it's, no, they are cause it's step. You said half. No, half is related. Step is not.
00:37:05
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Okay, my brain was thinking step, but no, you're right, it is half. They're half. Yeah, that would be like me and my brother because we're technically half. So it's like half incest. Yeah. Yeah. It's full incest because they are blood related. No, I was joking that way. It's full incest. Don't matter. It's full incest, but only half of them is blood. Still wrong.
00:37:34
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100% wrong. 50% blood. Oh goodness. Okay, back on story though. 100% blood. 100% blood. I don't know why it sounds like an ad, but it does. It's like 20% family. 50% blood. 100% wrong.
00:37:56
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So because Cindy had started the process and he was pissed off, now, instead of going, you know, how about we all sit down and have a conversation because there's obviously some bad blood here. Let's see where everyone's at. No, he, um, he thought that the best way to fix this was just to go find them. Um, and he shot Thomas Laurie and, uh, and Barbara Cunningham to death on June of 1992.
00:38:26
Speaker
So he shot Thomas, which, you know, his father, brother in law. It's his brother in law and father in law. That's the weirdest part. Exactly. They're both in law. He's both. He's both. He shot him four times in the face with a nine millimeter handgun in front of the Salem post office. Zero fucks given.
00:38:51
Speaker
What? Yeah, sorry, that was the weirdest what but what? What? So like, yeah, more daylight don't fucking matter. Back off my niece. Why? Oh, goodness. Okay. More than drove to Cunningham's house. All right, and shot her in the stomach and then fired three more rounds point blank into her head.
00:39:20
Speaker
Heartless motherfucker, man. Literally. This was his half-sister and his mother-in-law. One shot would have been okay, you know? Overkill. Fucking overkill. Overkill! Yes. All this because he claimed that they interfered with his marriage. That's it.
00:39:41
Speaker
Well, you know, it's really hard to, you know, break away from someone when they're also your sister. Crazy. You know, it's not like it's not like you get a divorce and you never see them again. I mean, how awkward was family functions? You dated two of your nieces? Dated. Married. Married. Two of your nieces. It gets worse. Hold on. I'll let you. I'll keep going. And then you're going to explode. Okay. So, you know, this is where, uh,
00:40:10
Speaker
Why not just frickin' walk away? Why did you have to kill, like, half your fuckin' family? Because you are all in the same... Imagine family gatherings after this! Well, unfortunately, well, you know, you'll see. You'll see. Oh! So, Moore said that he had to kill them because he thought that they would move to Las Vegas with his now ex-wife niece.
00:40:34
Speaker
with their infant daughter. They had a baby. They reproduce. No, no. Yeah. So and he was scared that they would expose them to a life of sex, work and drugs. And of course, they didn't use the term sex, work and drugs. They they use the other. But so he said, you know, off with their heads because because I'm assuming what I want to know is
00:41:04
Speaker
Was there a plan to already go to Las Vegas? Or was he just like, oh, Las Vegas is the place of sin. So of course they'd go there. Or did he just assume they were going to go to Las Vegas? And then also, I know you guys can't see me, but I have like a red string thing coming up over here. Like I am deep in this. And then today, like he's dying off camera.
00:41:31
Speaker
And then the other thing is they reproduced. I can't get over that. They reproduced. Yeah. Yeah. You can't find dancers because I don't think we... He killed them all. Pause for a sec. I thought you said dancers, not answers. You can't find answers. You can't find dancers in Las Vegas.
00:41:56
Speaker
No, none. What? Dancing is illegal in Las Vegas. Didn't you know that? Yeah, it's actually that's where they filmed Footloose, actually. So. But unfortunately, we will never have these answers because. Oh, I forgot to even mention the fact he referred to them as predators when he later that were endangering his infant when he later talked about this crime.
00:42:22
Speaker
It's his family. Oh, oh, the other thing I was going to say, the other thing I was going to say, you a predator. When did, were you looking at them being like, I'm going to marry them? When were you Christmas? Like they're literally, this is your niece. This is like, Oh, we're going to go spend time at uncle Harry's for Christmas. When were you looking at them? Like they would be good for marriage.
00:42:48
Speaker
Oh, my God, is this some weird like Jacob from Twilight where he imprinted? Oh, my. Oh, my God. I didn't even think. Oh, my God. That's disgusting. Yeah. Just like go to fucking Christmas. And he's like, Ew, I don't want to think about that. Like, I don't I don't want to. He's wrong. He's messed up, man. And also like how I want to know the age difference. Also, it has to be enough for them to be older.
00:43:17
Speaker
Yes. It has to be at least 15 years. Yeah. Jeez. I don't care about the age difference. I mean, no. I would if they weren't related, but I can't get past the related part. Yeah. I know. The age just makes it even worse because that means that he knows it's wrong. He knows it's wrong.
00:43:39
Speaker
But no worries because Mr. Harry over here was charged for, uh, his revenge double murder. Okay, good. So weird. Anyone should be getting, nevermind. I digress. Okay. Um, he was sentenced in 1993. This man did everything in his power to speed up the process. He went as far as, uh, requesting that his execution be on his 56th birthday, May 10th, but, uh,
00:44:07
Speaker
And he even said that he would sue anyone to stop his execution. He was like, you tried. Like anybody would. I will fucking sue you. Right? Well, I think people were because people were against the death penalty altogether. What if he wanted? So that's why people were trying to. I know. But then that makes it, OK, why do we give him what he wants? There's just an argument to everything, really. That's true. That's true because I feel the same way.
00:44:36
Speaker
I'm like, no, you want that? Fuck you. I mean, I'm okay with it. He's creepy. Anyway, true. Unfortunately, they could not make his birthday execution happen because. He's like, all I want for my birthday is to die. Well, they couldn't give him that gift. So because the governor, the attorney general, prosecutors, the defense lawyer, all have to be available in order for them to
00:45:05
Speaker
Like, man. Follow through. My daughter's bar mitzvah is tomorrow, is that day. I can't. I can't do it. I don't know why the lawyers do it. And I definitely said my daughter's bar mitzvah and it's definitely a bat mitzvah for a girl, but it's OK. Yep, it's fine. Everything's fine. I'm afraid to. On May 16th, 1997, Harry Charles Moore was executed by lethal injection. And as he laid dying, he whispered,
00:45:34
Speaker
I want my last words to say Jennifer. J-E-N-N-I-F-E-R. Yeah, this motherfucker spelled Jennifer with his dying breath. Just because you don't know. Okay, we get it. You can spell. You don't know your family tree, but you know how to spell. Good job.
00:45:50
Speaker
Well, no, he knows it because that's actually his daughter's name. The daughter he had with his niece wife. Oh, but fun fact, fun fact. The judge said that the marriage to his niece, which, you know, was performed by his mother, remember, was not going to be considered a real marriage in the eyes of the law when they were in court. That is the crazy and brief story of Harry Charles Moore and his marriage and crimes.
00:46:20
Speaker
That is crazy. And also, one, I kind of love that they did it on the 16th and not the 10th, because it's just a little bit of a fuck you to him. I'm like, no, we're going to do it when we want to. I love it. I got food poisoning that day, so I can't. Can we do maybe next week? Yeah.
00:46:44
Speaker
That was a lot. In a short time, right? It was just a lot. Yeah. Yeah. For a very quote unquote short story. That was a lot. Yeah. Well. Well, she is. She's she's had a loss of words. She's just kind of smiling comfortably. I had all the words. I think I said all my words. I guess just SBC out. SBC out.
00:47:25
Speaker
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