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Episode 17: The Moors Murders: Ian Brady & Myra Hindley Part 1
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Happy Monday Guys!
This week Ellie is bringing a two-parter to the table about Ian Brady and Myra Hindley; some evil monsters from the UK.
Thank you so much for listening! See you guys next week!
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Surprise Ingredients in Coffee Creamers
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Hey guys, I'm Lana. And I'm Ellie. And welcome to Scared But Curious. I love coffee creamer, but I don't think I've ever turned the bottle around to actually see what's inside. And I never knew that there was oil in coffee creamer.
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00:02:37
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Happy Monday. Happy Monday. How are you? How are you doing? How am I doing?
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How are you doing?
Homeowner Chronicles: Renovation Tales
00:02:47
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Well, let's hope I'm not getting sick. I drank some emergency. So let's hope. But I can't tell if I just slept weird as in like slept with the window open. And so now I have a sore throat and then I ate jalapenos. So I have a little bit of a runny nose or if I'm getting sick. So I guess tomorrow will tell.
00:03:10
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I mean, some extra vitamin C won't hurt, right? Exactly. How is how have you been? Oh, well, I don't think I don't think we have enough time on the podcast to actually have me break it all down. But life is coming in like a wrecking ball because, you know, your first year of owning a home, you're just repairing everything.
00:03:43
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Yeah, luckily we're at the tail end of that but we've been in this house for seven years so I don't know if that makes you feel better or worse because
00:03:57
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Now we're finally doing the stuff we want to fix rather than the stuff we need to fix. So that's good. That's where I want to be. That's what I want to be. I want to be the stuff that I want to fix.
Delving into True Crime: The Moors Murders
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Not because I have to. I'm just thinking money wise. Is it good? Not really.
00:04:16
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No, just remind yourself, A, this is resale value. This is equity. Yeah, I have to remind myself of that all the time. I see the lows bills and you're like, okay, that's a long receipt. All right. Oh, God. Yeah, it's fine. Wow. Do I really want this house? That's fine. Too late. Yeah. I'm here.
00:04:42
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Well, unlike that horror story, I actually have a very different horror story I'm going to be talking about today.
Ian Brady's Troubled Beginnings
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Oh. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the Moores murders? Oh, boy, have I. I feel like if you're in this genre,
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that is, even if you're not honestly, even if you're not in this genre, I feel like you have I mean, well, okay, we also apparently, we said that about Amy Bishop, and multiple people hadn't heard of her. So yeah, maybe, maybe we need to stop assuming. Yeah, I thought it was like, I thought it was on the same level, like Morris murders, I would say I was is on the same level as like Ted Bundy. Like, I feel like everybody knows. Yes.
00:05:36
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It so yeah, but I'm excited. I agree. Hopefully learn something that I haven't learned before
00:05:44
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I hopefully can teach that to you. I hope so. Unfortunately though, I'm going to put a trigger warning at the very top. Not only is this a very long story, like I'm talking like 30 something pages long, but it's also a very hard story to listen to. So, yeah.
00:06:11
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It has to. Yeah. Trigger warning for having to deal with children. Yeah. OK. So horrible. So the Moors murders. Horrible story. Terrible time. Yeah. One out of 10 would not recommend. Do not recommend zero at negative one. Negative 100 out of 10. Yeah.
00:06:39
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So we're going to start off. Oh, so wait, I forgot. I should mention there are two people that worked together to commit these crimes. And it is Ian Brady and Myra Henley. And these two monsters came, found each other. Oh, I guess there's someone for everyone, guys. Seriously. If you're single, just keep waiting and you're fine. There is someone for everyone.
00:07:05
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Don't give up. If these two found each other, you can find your someone. Dating advice? Exactly. With Lana and Ellie. Yeah, exactly. That's our second podcast, guys. Go listen to it. Yeah. Wait for it. Just kidding. It'll air eventually. But right now, we are so busy
Escalation of Criminal Ventures
00:07:26
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with this one. I couldn't imagine doing two. Oh, god. Dude, there's a podcast that I listen to, and they have three. They do three different podcasts.
00:07:35
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And I think they also have their own like THC business, like their own company. Oh, goals. Hello. Yeah. So like they have they have a business, a full time business and three podcasts and and a newborn baby. I think they had a baby in August. I know. Wow. I know. Look at them go. Honestly, just the best.
00:08:00
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goals, man. Anyway, these people are not goals. I'm glad we just mentioned some good people that are goals because these people are not. They're the actual opposite of goals. We're going to start off talking about Ian Brady. This guy, he is a piece of work, to say the least. He is something.
00:08:24
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Yeah, he was born in Gorbals, Glasgow, Scotland, which that's a really hard place to say together. Gorbals, Glasgow, Glasgow, Glasgow. On January 1st of 1938, so that makes him what? Capricorn? Yeah. He was raised by a single mother too. Oh God, this is a lot of, okay. But in 1938, so, which being a single mother in 38 has its own issues, right?
00:08:54
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So his mom's name is Peggy. Not only did they have financial struggles because, you know, a woman in 38 living, I'm just a mad damn could only imagine how difficult it was. But Ian showed signs of a dysfunctional type of behavior and moodiness from a very early age. Imagine you're a single mom, and you have that type of kid. Like that would just be like, I can't do this.
00:09:22
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It's honestly, because he, when he didn't get his way or any of his needs were not met by like, you know, giving him what he wanted, essentially.
00:09:31
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He would throw the most violent tantrums like of course he would something that would sometimes it would honestly result in him banging his head against the wall He's just going ham. He is a he's violent in all the ways. I think he did even have problems hitting others, but I don't show I don't condone child violence or like
00:09:53
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you know, ever hitting a child. But I mean, him and Brady came flying at me, I would drop kick. I would not, which this sounds really bad right now, but you'll understand more as we go on. Okay, so he had some issues regulating his emotion to say the least.
00:10:17
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As much as Peggy wanted to care for Ian, she found herself unable to provide. And she also feared that there was going to be extra stigmas that would affect Ian's life because he was, you know, a little cray cray and raised by a single mother. So she put him up for adoption, kind of. It was as to a family that lived nearby. So she visited him often. So she was kind of still in his life. Okay, that must have been a lot less weird than
00:10:47
Speaker
I don't know. They were a different class. So I think that she was able to come in and maybe I have no idea exactly what that story is. There was not enough information I was able to find, but he was young enough to where he did not know he was adopted. So he spent his whole childhood under the impression that the adoptive family was actually his biological.
00:11:16
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When was he having behavioral issues to the point where like how he must have been so young to been having behavioral issues and all this and not remember that his mom is his mom.
00:11:29
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I mean, he was hitting his head against the wall. Who knows why you can't remember that. True. True, actually. As time passed on though, Ian started to deduce exactly who Peggy is to him. He realized the Sloan family wasn't his exact biological family.
00:11:47
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the family he thought they were, essentially. And that didn't really go over well with Ian. He was not really a big fan of that information. And other kids in the neighborhood also got wind of this, and that added to his already low social status, so it was just kind of piling up against him. It was a different time back then.
00:12:08
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That's bullshit. Like, if some kid is adopted, you should not treat them any less. Like, my cousin is adopted. And it was never like, oh, well, she's not really part of the family. Or like, she still has friends. She still has, it's just very weird to me. I really don't think that the adoption had much to do with it because he didn't play any sports. His personality was not really easy to get along with. He had a lot of antisocial tendencies.
00:12:38
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He just blamed it on the, I almost said abortion, blamed it on the adoption. Yeah. This is with his illegitimate family status backing up against him. You know, he had all of these things that he thinks is his downfall, his kryptonite. Now in school, he was really smart. I mean, he was not an ugly guy. He was handsome. He was well-dressed.
00:13:05
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But he was still really not liked that much. And by 11 years old, he passed entrance exams to Shaolin Academy, which from what I was able to gather, it's a, it's an impressive accomplishment. He was actually off to a good start. You know, he was, he wasn't doing too bad, but he did lack motivation. And by most accounts, this resulted in him just not applying himself.
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He would misbehave sporadically. No one knew. He was like a ticking time bomb. No one knew when it was gonna go off.
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And as he aged, it got more and more frequent. So he just became more and more violent. And by the age of 15, Ian's schooling kind of came to an end because he wanted it to. He just, yeah, he just kind of said, I'm done with this shit. He got a job as a tea boy at a local shipyard and he started smoking and he, he was just, said, fuck this shit, I'm out and started working his own thing at the age of 15. He's like, you know,
00:14:05
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I mean, I don't I definitely do not mind. Like if a kid wants to go to like a specific high school that like that like No, no. Be careful with what you say because this job only lasted nine months.
00:14:20
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Oh, he got a job after the nine months to be a butcher's assistant or messenger. I don't know exactly because he was like, I think he kind of hopped a couple of jobs and there was not a lot of account of it. So there was a lot of different claims of what exactly he was doing. But some think this job kind of helped nurture the existing interest and mutilation because, you know, a butcher.
00:14:46
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Yeah. Yeah. It only goes downhill from here, essentially, you know. He got a girlfriend while he was working, though. Her name was Evelyn Grant, but that also didn't last very long. He pulled a flick knife on her. What? Because she was dancing with another boy. Um, sir. Yeah. Yeah, let me just pull a knife. Yep.
00:15:10
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I'm glad it ended there, though. You know what I mean? I'm glad that wasn't just like, oh, I can change him. No, I'm glad she they were both like, no, I'm out. So, you know, as I was saying, it was just going to go downhill from here. He started showing a lot of interest in Nazi Germany. Oh, good. Yeah, there's a lot of claims that he would go as far as asking other boys in town for souvenirs from their fathers when they came back for more.
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I mean, I, he's a piece of shit. I mean, this is the Jew talking, so I'm like, you're a piece of shit. I don't know what to say. Fuck you too. It's all good. When playing war games, he would insist on being the German.
00:16:00
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Of course. And at this time, Ian was also known that he had a sadistic side and was very perverse. He would bully smaller children and torture animals. Like, it's bad. Because he's a fucker. Yes. And I'm really not going to go too far into that. Yeah, I really do. Again, draw the line. So his childhood was, you know, a bit of a roller coaster. And as a teenager, he had to go to juvenile court a couple of times because he kept burglarizing.
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Of course. The first two court visits resulted in probation, but by the third time he was deemed incorrigible. So the Glasgow courts said, nope, I don't want you getting your ass out of here. And he was kicked out of his hometown. So Ian left and he went to go live with his mother and stepfather, which at this point, Peggy had moved to Manchester because she'd married an Irish fruit merchant named Patrick Grady. And this is where he got his name.
00:16:59
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He didn't get along with his stepfather, even though he did take his last name. Patrick had even helped Ian out and got him a job as a porter at the fruit stand. So he was getting another job. And within a year, he would lose that job because he was caught trying to steal a lead seal. And all of this happened before he was
Myra Hindley: A Dark Infatuation
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18. He was sent to strange ways for three months.
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which is, I'm assuming, a correctional facility type thing. Brady would move there, and then he was sent to Latchmere House in London, because he's bouncing all over the place. Then he goes to Hatfield in Borstal, or Hatfield Borstal. I'm really confused about how wording works, but over there, I'm not going to lie.
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which of course he was moved to a tougher unit and the whole after he was caught drunk off of his own supply that he was making in his cell. He was released on November 14th of 1957, but being an exiled Scott living in England, it really didn't help with his feeling of isolation. Crazy.
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This turned into a perfect storm for his hostility to start manifesting into other ways. What could possibly go wrong? He would often spend hours in his room reading and listening to music. I could only imagine what kind of music he was listening to. Like bebop. Yeah. Could you imagine like, because I'm happy.
00:18:29
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And he's like planning the worst fucking shit ever. Oh, I know, right? And when he wasn't in his room, chilling, you know, listening to music, he was working at his job, which he also apparently hated, which I'm gathering he kind of hated a lot. I don't know if he enjoyed much.
00:18:43
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Yeah. Well, he does find what he enjoys, but it's awful for everybody. Nobody wins. He was dismissed from this job and another brewery because he decided to, and at this point he decided he needed to better himself, quote unquote, which in his mind means he's getting a set of instruction manuals and bookkeeping at the local library and doing that. Okay. I mean, I guess it's better than Nazis. Oh, wait.
00:19:14
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There's books on those, right? Well, he found them, don't worry. So in January of 1959, this guy here, you know, got a clerical job at Millwords, which is a wholesale chemical distribution company that is located in Gorton. He was described as quiet, punctual, but short-tempered by those who got the lovely pleasure of working with him.
00:19:37
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Brady read a lot of books, which, you know, isn't a bad thing. But he was reading, uh, you know, Frederick Niech. How do you say his name? Uh, it's this one, right? And Mark Desaude. Yes. Yeah, it's Niech. Niech. Well, they focused on his theories of Ubermensch and the willpower. So he was really focused on, you know,
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cruelty, torture, taking over things that are smaller than you, those specific philosophies he really focused on. Oh god. Brady also collected books on torture and sadomasochism, along with a lot of paraphernalia relating to domination and servitude. No one could tell where this was going. Oh god, ew, no.
00:20:36
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At his job at Millwords, though, this is where he meets a woman by the name of Myra on January of 1961. I actually love the name Myra, but I could never name my kid that anymore, you know? Mm-hmm. I agree. So he is working at this place, normalizing this type of behavior, really fixating on it, hyperfixating on it, really, and seeing there's nothing wrong with it because he's been doing it for five ever now.
A Twisted Relationship: Plans Unfold
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Yeah. So now we're going to talk about this crazy bitch, Myra, all right? Do I really want to know? Myra Henley was born in Crumpsel, Manchester in July. I know, right? July 23rd of 1942. Her parents were Nellie and Bob, and they were part of the working class area in Manchester that was overrun with Victorian slum housing.
00:21:32
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So this was unfortunately due to overcrowding and it meant the conditions were not the best. So much so that Myra's twin bed was pressed up against her parents double. Wow. And that's how they lived. Which sounds really not, that sounds really unpleasant. And the overcrowding really didn't get better because they decided, you know what, I'm gonna have another kid, Maureen Henley, born August of 1946.
00:21:58
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Like, I hope she was out of the house. Oh, she moves out. I was thinking like, when they were trying to have another kid. Oh, when they when they conceived. Yeah, like your twin bed. I really hope she's not there. It's different if you're like a different part of the house, but your beds are connected pretty much. Oh, boy.
00:22:21
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That just adds a whole different level of ease. I know. Well, she moved in with her grandmother maybe. That might be why she left, other than the overcrowding. She's like, you know what? Gross. I'm leaving.
00:22:36
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Bob, Myra's dad, was by many accounts an abusive alcoholic. He struggled with the lasting effects from World War II. Bob was a fighter, to say the least, and he taught his daughter Myra how to fight, and actually encouraged her to not just defend herself, but to retaliate. Yes! We love that!
00:22:59
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Yeah, I mean, to an extent. Don't love him, but I love that you teach your daughters. What could possibly go wrong?
00:23:08
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with teaching your child to constantly react to others with physical reactions rather than trying to diffuse situations. Yeah. Surprisingly, when Myra was eight, she was with a young boy who had scratched her cheek and drew blood. So she ran home crying, seeking comfort, and was sent away by her father. He wanted her to go kick his ass pretty much. No, don't you come to me crying.
00:23:36
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turn your ass around and go kick his ass. I would comfort my kid. I would comfort my kid and then be like, okay, but do you need me to go kick his ass? Honey, mama will go to jail. You have to go kick his ass, okay? Well, Myra found this boy.
00:23:57
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and freaking wailed on him, punching him over and over and over again until he fell to the ground. Poor guy. Oh, years of trauma just coming out. Little tidbit of Lana's life.
00:24:15
Speaker
When I was about five, I, me and my mom moved to this new part of where I grew up and we knew nobody there. My mom was part of the Mormon church and we were at this new, we had just moved in like literally two days before this and we got invited to- Is this the house that I know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so we just moved there and we got invited to like this church potluck
00:24:45
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barbecue thing. So we went there again, my mother knows nobody she or no, she knew one family, one family. And okay, so
00:24:55
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this family's kids were friends with this other family's kids and these other family's kids would not give the ball back to my friends or the you know the family the only yeah and so what did i do i think i know where this is going decided that five-year-old lana
00:25:15
Speaker
was going to put the nine-year-old boy in a headlock until he gave my friend back her ball. So I feel it. Well, like your memory, this would be a core memory that she would consider her first victory. And she even wrote this in her diary. This was her first, like, I got you ass type of thing. Sometimes, sometimes it's the little things in life, you know?
00:25:46
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June of 1957 was a rather traumatic year for Myra. One of her very close friends, Michael Higgins, a 13-year-old boy who had invited Henley to go swimming at a local unused reservoir.
00:26:01
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Mayra had denied the offer because she had already made plans with her other friends to go out. Mayra was a strong swimmer. She really actually enjoyed swimming. This is something that she was good at. And when she had gotten the news that Michael had drowned in the reservoir that day, she blamed herself for not being present to save him. Which, you know, that's a heavy thing to carry. Especially at such a young age.
00:26:30
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. This resulted in her getting really into religion, specifically Roman Catholicism. Shortly after he passed, this was her cope. Henley took the confirmation name of Veronica and she received her first communion in November of 1958.
00:26:53
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Myra or Veronica, I'm gonna just call her Myra because we've been, we're not, I'm not switching it up now. She started her job not too long after her first communion. She worked as a junior clerk at a local electrical engineering firm. She would run errands, type, make teas, run around and do shit for people. Secretary.
00:27:15
Speaker
Essentially, yeah. She was generally liked by the other girls that worked with her and her first week she had lost her paycheck and the other girls actually collected money to replace the paycheck that she had lost. It was really sweet. Myra took weekly judo lessons at the local school. She did struggle to find people to spar with because she didn't let go right away.
00:27:41
Speaker
She'd be told to release and she'd be like, yeah, oh yeah, no, I heard you now. Sorry about that. I have audio processing. I feel attacked. So by 17, Myra was engaged for a little bit. She called it off, though, because she claimed the young boy was far too immature and was unable to provide for what she wanted and felt she deserved in life.
00:28:05
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Which I mean, you know, more power to you. Good for you, girl, I guess. That's a little. That's a little. I mean, I can't say anything because. It is. It is a little. Yeah, that's literally after leaving her fiance. Henley found another job at Bratby and Hinch. Hinchliffe. Hinchliffe.
00:28:28
Speaker
I don't know because these words don't make Bradby and Hinchliffe engineering company in Gordon. Okay. Well, it doesn't matter. She was dismissed six months after she started because of absences. So, you know, but she found another job as a typist at a place called Millwords. Sounds familiar, right? In January of 1961.
00:28:53
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Soon after starting Millwords, Myra was infatuated with a coworker that really caught her eye. And he was a real gentleman, and she found him really intriguing, attractive. And can you guess who this man is? Joseph Johnson. Yep. We're now going to be introducing Joseph Johnson. No, I'm just kidding. This man was actually Ian Brady.
00:29:22
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She had even learned about his criminal past and was like, I don't, I don't care. I'm still really obsessed with this guy. Myra had stated in her diary where she talks about dates with other men that she had gone on and how none of the men were like Brady. She even fantasizes about Brady while on dates with other men, which a girl speaks volumes.
00:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, but also, ew, shut up. I don't want to know that. I don't want to know what you- You'll see. Stop writing it down. Literally. Actually, I'm sure it really helped in the investigation though, so it's fine. Probably. I'm glad, but I don't want to hear about it.
00:30:08
Speaker
Seven months later, on July 27th, they finally spoke for the first time. So this whole time she's just been like, wait, wait. Mayra! Mayra, no! Mayra, don't be a creep!
00:30:26
Speaker
Myra, don't be a creep. That's weird. Myra... Too late. Myra, that's weird. Ew. She's like, oh my god. You looked in my general vicinity today. Shut up, Myra. I breathe the same air as him. I'm never breathing again.
00:30:49
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The fact that she would fantasize about him in a different date, like dating different guys. Bitch, you haven't even talked to him yet. So they finally spoke, right? Well, over the following months, Henley had written in her diary about how Brady was not what she expected and kind of disappointed by her own imagined standards, I know.
00:31:16
Speaker
Wait, how did she know he was a gentleman? Because he said hi to her one time or like held open a door? And she's like, oh, no, I don't know. She just painted the picture.
00:31:28
Speaker
Yeah, she painted a picture of who she thought this guy was. And so she was disappointed by her imagined standards, which weren't met because they weren't real. And that was until their first date. So they finally they finally go on a date and the date took place December. OK, December of twenty. I'm going to aim my head against this wall because Myra is such a teenage girl.
00:31:57
Speaker
It's cringy. I'm cringed right now. Just yeah. This date took place December 22nd. And can you guess what type of date this was? Oh, no, I'm afraid. It was a movie date. They went they went to the movies. You know, it's not too bad. Yeah. But what movie did they see? Oh, no. They watched an X rated movie.
00:32:28
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And that was before returning to Henley's place to drink some German wine because it tastes different when it's German. Oh, yeah. This was the blueprint for all of their dates to come. What? What? I just want to hold up in my sweater.
00:32:50
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I know. Oh, doing this research was really difficult at times. I was like, oh,
The Moors Murders: A Grim Partnership
00:32:55
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no. Ew. This is grungy. Ew. All right. So this relationship from hell has begun. Okay. Brady started to give his new girl some reading material. Can you guess what kind of reading material that was? And, you know, gave her some homework because that's what you want. You want your new boyfriend to give you homework.
00:33:19
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That's so weird. Yeah. At work, these two would spend their lunches together reading to each other, which I could only imagine how uncomfortable it would be for the coworkers, which would be way cuter. Like, could you imagine your coworkers talking about fucking Nazi shit and then eating? You're like, I'm trying to fucking eat, dude. Why are you so weird?
00:33:45
Speaker
That's what they were talking about. They have really Nazi books. I wonder if they were alone, like in the car. But that's even better, knowing like, hopefully that they were just like in the fucking break room, just selecting like no one else was there in the middle of their sandwich.
00:34:06
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Henley even began to emulate the idea of Aryan perfection. Okay, anyway, so that meant bleaching her hair blonde, wearing thick red lipstick, and dressing provocatively.
00:34:21
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Thick, red lipstick. Think about that. It's all crusty. I was thinking like how they like add extra over the lip. Not how many layers of it. Yikes. So every time she takes a drink of something, a layer goes away. Ew. Oh God, gross. Well,
00:34:47
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For the time, she was dressing provocatively. I wonder what actually that meant for provocative and... Yeah, they just showed the kneecap. Yeah. And I'm not sure really... I would love to... I would have to look at it. We're gonna look at it and see what is this. Actually, you could look at it up while I continue. So look for 1960s.
00:35:15
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It's provocative. It gets the people going. You're going to describe this to me. They are wearing short shorts that
00:35:30
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I mean, they kind of look like high-waisted bikini, like high-waisted shimchunks, like the cute 1950s that we have. Like those type of shorts, which I love those shorts. And then this person is wearing high boots, like almost under, like just comes up right under the knee and then really short shorts. And then like baby doll dresses.
00:36:00
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that barely cover the hoo-ha. Okay, I'm actually I'm thinking of like, okay, I'm thinking Austin Powers.
00:36:10
Speaker
Yes, yes, very much. Got you. Henley even wrote her childhood friend stating concerns about how Brady's characteristics are a bit, uh, not good. And yeah, and things like, you know, mentioning how he drugged her and was still
00:36:31
Speaker
And she was still obsessed with him. And a couple of months after she wrote the letter, she even told her friend, hey, can you destroy that letter that I told you about him drugging me? And thanks. What? Yeah. She's like, sorry, that was just a little bit of kink play. Sorry. God, no, I don't think so. Well, maybe for him.
00:36:56
Speaker
But she didn't have any qualifications to drive, but she still would hire a van driving around with Brady and they would make plans to rob banks together. How was she able to rent a van with no identification? Apparently you could do whatever the hell you wanted back then, man. You could just walk up and get a thing.
00:37:25
Speaker
All right, just give me the money for it. We're good. So personally, I like driving around, but I usually like, you know, would look at houses, admire them and go, Oh, I would love to have that wrap around deck. So nice. Well, no, they, they would, they would do not as peaceful things.
00:37:46
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So there was a guy that Myra would befriend, and his name was George Clithrow. He was the president of the Cetal Rifle Club. Cetal? Cetal. I'm gonna say Cetal. I'm not sure. Anyway.
00:38:01
Speaker
While on her mini trips to the local shooting ranges, George arranged to buy her a .22 caliber rifle. Because why wouldn't you? From a merchant in Manchester. Although she had befriended this man, he still denied her a pistol. And denied her even joining the club. Because said she was a quick shot or she was a poor shot and quick to temper.
00:38:26
Speaker
Which, why would you buy her a gun at all? I was just gonna say that. He's like, I don't want her anywhere near me, but here. The fucking weird. What? Despite his refusal, Hindley purchased a Webley 45 Anna Smith and Wesson 38. It's a 45 caliber and a 38 caliber. Jesus. Oh, from other members in the club.
00:38:49
Speaker
Okay. That she wasn't even a part of, my goodness. Anyway, these weapons were all intended to be used in the robberies. So Ian seemed to kind of pick interest and then like full send into them. So he went from bank robberies to photography, which I mean, I guess I prefer the latter, you know? Did you imagine? They're like,
00:39:16
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She's like, okay, so what kind of bank robbery do you want to do? He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, we're not into that anymore. That's weird. What the fuck? What the fuck, Myra? Don't talk about that. Yeah, that was a different me, okay? That was yesterday, today. I'm really into my arts. Oh, God.
00:39:39
Speaker
So he would take pictures of Myra and her beloved dog, Puppet. And she would take pictures of him on occasion as well, but you know, like most photographers, they don't like being on that side of the camera. And the other photos that he would take were considered explicit. So I'm not really sure what that meant for them.
00:40:05
Speaker
But I wasn't too interested in looking for them either. So we're just gonna, yeah, I don't really want to see Myra Hindley's boobs. I really don't. I'm good. Anyway, moving on now. So in June of 1963, Ian moved in with Myra at her grandmother's house. Yeah. Oh,
00:40:24
Speaker
They lived on Bannock Street, if that means anything to anyone. Now, as we continue, you will find a lot of accounts from the Henley's perspective because Brady didn't talk much. He was a lot more reserved in comparison to Brady because this bitch, she sang like a bird. She was like, I got all of the, I got you guys. I got some tea. It's scalding. Anyway, so.
00:40:52
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Once they lived together, Henley claimed that Ian started talking about committing the perfect murder in the following months. He would also talk to Myra about Meyer Levin's novel, Compulsion, based on the murder of Bobby Franks. Like, could you imagine, like, out of nowhere, like, your partner just starts talking about murder all the time? Oh, wait. Oh, wait, that's us.
00:41:16
Speaker
Okay, but like, that's us. But we also talk about other people's crime. Yeah, exactly. We do not commit. Not down for that. My biggest crime was accidentally not paying for a seltzer water. Oh my god. I was in a forever 21. And I had like a little like crown thing that someone had put on my head. And I was just like,
00:41:45
Speaker
being ridiculous and like prancing around the store in it and I completely forgot about it and I like it the tag was on it and everything we went through the checkout I had a whole conversation with the guy and he didn't say anything and I'm like I walked out and was like I scratched my fucking head and was like oh there's a what do I go back like what do I do I still to this day have no idea where that thing went but
00:42:12
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely it was that they were at the bottom of my cart and I didn't realize it and I just walked out and I had like three cases of salt or water. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I had too much social anxiety. So I stole them. Well, that is where it ends, right? Yes, exactly. But
00:42:36
Speaker
On July 12th of 1963, Brady and Henley went out to commit their perfect murder. And that is actually where I'm going to leave off. And I'm going to continue this story next week. Because this case is a doozy. It really is. So we're just going to a little bit of a break.
00:43:00
Speaker
Exactly, we're not going to get into the murders yet. What we're going to do is we're going to meet the people, let that sink in, think we understand them, and then we're going to go to the next part. All right, well, now that you just did that to us. SBC out, man. SBC out.
00:43:31
Speaker
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