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The Lady Eve
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Emma & Katie talk about the 1941 screwball classic The Lady Eve! We also talk about Ted Lasso, wonder if snakes are necessary, and a lot more than you'd expect about puzzles.
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Introduction and Podcast Philosophy
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and you on, have a lovely lovely conversation, but then the public doesn't get the benefit of of hearing our wonderful, thrilling conversations. That's true. That's true. And it's important. Like, it's a service to them, really. Exactly. We're here for you, listeners. We're here to be your besties in the ears. We're here out to give you the 411 on what Yeah. Pretty much. Um...
Weather Woes and Polar Vortex Tales
00:00:26
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How was your week? Did you do anything fun? worked a lot. I've been working lot. And just sort of like really gearing up for this weekend because it is snowmageddon right now.
00:00:39
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Currently like two feet of snow. And yeah, just... That's crazy. It's been a long time since I've seen that much snow. It's a lot of snow. And so I have, oh gosh, Kat.
00:00:52
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I have no plans today because everything was canceled and I have no plans tomorrow because everything is canceled. Your work was canceled? ah My work for tomorrow was canceled. I was just off today, which was nice. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. um Yeah, that's wild. um Yeah, nothing ever shuts down in Chicago. are They did. it It was so cold on Friday that they closed CPS, Chicago Public Schools. um And I think it was like, it got to be like negative 11, I think. It was quite cold um on Friday. Yeah. I just remember like the city of broad shoulders, like during the polar vortex, one of the first years that we were there and it was like minus 30 with wind chill and my are the office that I was receptioning at would not close.
00:01:37
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And I was like, this is insane. The fact that and I like didn't have the proper out outerwear. So I just wore tons of layers so that I wouldn't breathe. But like to think that like, I didn't think to stand up for myself and be like,
00:01:52
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It's cold. im not I mean, it's so cold that like people can literally freeze to death waiting for the bus. like You can get frostbite. um yeah in a Because, yeah, I worked downtown that's that winter, too.
Seasonal Moods and Ted Lasso's Impact
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And I was working at Barnes & Noble, and they did close. And that was like unprecedented. like Everything else closed. um But yeah the office that I worked for did not close. The other offices in the building closed, but for some reason our office didn't close. And my boss was like, man i don't understand why everyone's making such a big deal. me I was like, yeah, it would be nice like if I had a car and I could drive from my condo to work to the indoor parking garage and then be there.
00:02:30
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But I have to take public transportation. And my hair froze while waiting for the train because it was so cold that my nasal cavity was just emptying itself. And then it was sticking to my hair. And then that was freezing. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah.
00:02:49
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Yeah, it was it was crazy. It was a crazy time. But um nothing ever closes it in Chicago. Yeah, for sure. um yeah it's there's snow here too not nearly as much as two feet there's about i think like about eight inches maybe in uh in chicago it snowed all day um yeah it was really pretty you know it's like that slow motion kind of snow where like you look out the window and it's like the snow it looks like it's falling through water almost like i love that i love that how was your week
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Oh,
Reflective Journaling in January
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i'm ah fine. Same. Pretty much. Didn't do anything exciting. I'm sorry i I brought up, did you do anything exciting? Because I certainly have nothing to share. um I'm just hanging out, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Same. Same. Doing my best in my depression nest.
00:03:38
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Yeah, yeah, I feel that. I started, i mean, probably this is not anywhere level to like compare depressions because you can't compare
Ted Lasso's Sweetness vs. Reality
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depressions. But I started getting those winter sweepies where you're just sad.
00:03:54
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Not that it's winter, yeah but just the fact that winter makes you sad and you just sort of get depressed. I have so many journal entries from like Januaries of past years of me just being like, my life is trash. Why?
00:04:08
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everything is terrible i need to re-valuate everything exactly like literally i could probably pull like consecutive years and just looking at january and february and it's just like i don't know what i'm doing with my life who am i yeah it's a time for reflection for sure i um i know what i've been doing i've been re-watching ted lasso which oh that's nice it is and here's the thing like We stopped watching Ted Lasso in the third season because it got so saccharine and kind of like treacly, like so sickly kind of sweet that we were like, I don't know. I don't think we want to watch this anymore. And then it surprise ended.
00:04:51
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um Well, now it's coming back. They're doing another season. And I was like, I should watch all of Ted Lasso. And here's the thing. Like, I think watching season three in the Biden administration is a very different animal because I just watched the whole series. Cause, cause I was home at Christmas with my mom yeah and ah she had never seen it. And I was like, you know, I bet you would really like it. So she had free Apple TV because she got a new phone for like, you know, she has free Apple TV for like three months. I'm like, let's watch Ted Lasso.
00:05:20
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And so we watched like, you know, two or three episodes of it. and then when I got home, I was like, maybe I'll just watch all of Ted Lasso and see how that, how that ended up. I
Comfort Shows and Movie Favorites
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liked it a lot more. And I think, you know, Trump being back in office yeah really changes the mood. Whereas i we need something that's like that sweet.
00:05:41
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And again, like it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel fake or anything because we're so desperate for, you know, the fantasy of like, what if there were a bunch of nice men? Yeah. Yeah. Like Schitt's Creek like and Ted Lasso.
00:05:56
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Schitt's Creek, Paddington, Paddington, um, There's a movie that is absolutely not a romantic comedy, but we should totally watch it on this show sometime because just because I want you to watch it and we can talk about it called Support the Girls, which is an absolutely gorgeous movie. It's like, hey, what if your boss was like the nicest person in the world? I love that. I love that.
True Crime Podcast Addiction
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Like that's what ah unfortunately. Regina Hall. ah Amazing. Yeah. um That's what happens when you put a mirror up to ah society with the arts is that, you know, horror and, um you know, comedies tend to reflect what the society is going through.
00:06:35
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Yeah. yeah Speaking of. I just finished it. And I really. I'm sorry. Sorry. I just finished it last night. And it's it's so good. It's so sweet and nice. And like, you know, i don't see i don't think it's like great art or anything. But like. No, it's not.
00:06:52
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It's really. It is. It is sweet. And it's nice to be like, man, what a nice man Ted Lasso is. Right. I have been doing kind of the opposite. um I have been listening. Been listening to a true crime podcast. Yeah.
00:07:07
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Of course you have, yes. huh i was going to ask, what are you watching? Breaking Bad? The opposite of Ted Lasso? Nope. What if there was a bad man? What if there was a bad man? No, I've been listening to Up and Vanished with Payne Lindsay, which is great, and his latest season. oh that's...
00:07:20
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Real sad, right? Yeah, yeah. Missing people and what happened to them. And it's about two missing people in middle nowhere, Alaska, who went missing from the same place. Oh, dear. Yeah, so, but it's so addicting, I can't stop. So that's probably not helping, but I am just like, I have to like clean the house. I have to do the dishes. Seasonal affective disorder, yeah. Yeah, but I gotta find out who murdered them because they obviously got murdered. You know?
00:07:48
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You know what's a fun podcast to listen?
Call for Listener Reviews
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What? ah Go get your girl. So I think I told you about this. I don't know if I mentioned it on mic, but like yeah in January or something, I kind of like, I mean, I've got like a ton of podcasts that I am way behind on that I should be listening to. Yeah, yeah. um And for some reason I was like, you know, I'm going to try to, going to listen to some of our old epics because we're trying to improve. We're trying to get more listeners. We're trying to get our our friends who listen to this podcast to Yes. Like our actual close friends. We know some of you listen to this podcast because we see on the map. And you haven't rated and reviewed us. Maybe you've rated, but rating isn't good enough. Richard and Jessica and Gia. Just leave like two or three words. Just say they're great. Or, yeah you know, they stop. Preferably they're great. And people, if you don't know us personally, um you could also leave us a review, but don't feel the pressure that
00:08:43
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our actual friends who listen to the podcast need to feel. Who we've asked repeatedly to leave a review. We're trying to help go get your girl fly. Yeah, we want to get to the point where we can ask you for money to pay for our hosting so we don't have to pay for anymore. That would be great, but we're not there yet.
00:09:03
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My point is I listen to some of our older episodes because I don't remember ah goddamn thing in them. Yeah. There's a podcast amnesia that happens, podnesia.
00:09:15
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ah And the second we end the recording, I forget everything we talked about. So listening to especially the ones that I didn't edit, which means I've never listened to them really, yeah like from over like two years ago now. Like completely fresh listens. Like I have no idea what's going to happen. And it's, it's just been nice. And it's crazy because normally I don't like listening to myself talk, but this is, I'm so far removed from it. It's almost like it's not me. You know what i mean? It's a different person. It's a completely different person. Do you have a favorite ah episode that you've re-listened to that we've done?
00:09:53
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I think, I think the Garden State episode is really good. Really? Okay. We kind of, we kind of get into, Like it's a little bit deeper, you know, this podcast has also been described as paper thin, um with us which, which, which I think is fine. Yeah. um Yeah. That's our brand. ah It's talking about rom-coms. Like, what do you want? Yeah. yeah um But um that is, that that is one where we, we get a little bit more into um not only ah like the history of the, of the, of the movie more than some of the other ones, because this is the non-research podcast. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:31
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we talk more about kind of like the psychology of the time and what was, you know, what the, the, the environment of the world that produced a film like garden and state. And yeah i don't think either of us like that movie a whole lot, but you know, I think we had interesting things to say in that episode. yeah Yeah.
00:10:47
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I mean, I like it. I just think that, you know, it's, Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. It's, it's, um, it's, it's problem problematic, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. It's problematic. There's things about it that are great and it's, you know, very quintessential to who I am as a person. It's, you know, it's nostalgic and yeah it's very much so. Yeah. And so you overlook a lot of things about it, but, um, but yeah.
00:11:15
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Yeah. I, I, and I remember recording that one. I remember that. Uh, ah fabulous. Well, that's a segue.
00:11:26
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Sorry. My brain is all sort of scattered because like, I'm like been inside all day and I'm just snowed in. i'm literally snowed in. And so I'm just like, how do you people? And then we've been doing a puzzle. Oh, I didn't. So today is going to be real interesting. Katie, I'm to be completely honest with
Puzzle Addiction and Relationship Dynamics
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you.
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Um, I have this very romanticized vision of my day and it, most of it turned out to be exactly what it was and it was fabulous. sure But, ah um, I wanted to lie on my couch underneath my heated blanket with a fake fireplace on the TV and watch the snowfall while I finish a book. I haven't finished the book, but then I also wanted to just eat snacks and watch the movie with Charlie while we did a puzzle. And we did that.
00:12:11
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But here's where the problem comes in. um Have you ever done a puzzle, Katie? Yeah. ah Yeah, not not in a long time have I done a puzzle, really. um It's been a while, yeah. yeah ever You ever puzzled? I just got a text message from Charlie that said, she is about to slander me.
00:12:37
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I actually wasn't, but now that he mentioned it, ah yeah, I will throw him under the bus for this. ah Charlie- She was jamming pieces of puzzle together, but didn't work.
00:12:48
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I mean, that if it fits, it sits, right? No, that's not how puzzles work. That's not how puzzles work. that's You're thinking of cats. You've confused puzzles and cats again. it fits, it sits. there was um So we were doing the puzzle while we were watching The Lady Eve. And you get so addicted to the feeling of accomplishment when you find a puzzle piece in a 500-piece puzzle that just fits. You just find it out of nowhere, and it just goes in, and you're like, wow.
00:13:16
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It's like a little burst of dopamine. Uh, and, uh, we did this at Thanksgiving with my friends, Zach and Rosie. And, um, it, at one point, the four of us were just hovering over this table, just staring at a bunch of puzzle pieces. Um, and, and that's how basically this went. So I don't remember chunks of this movie. Cause I was so into my cat puzzle.
00:13:38
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Oh my God. All right. Well, so I'm going to have you tell me what this movie was about. Um, I, I enjoyed Barbara Steinwick.
00:13:49
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Um, and, uh, I, I, enjoyed the overall, just the movie. There were, there were some funny aspects of it, but, um, there were big chunks that I was like, I don't know why that happened, but puzzle. So you, uh, you pulled a Charlie, but instead of being on your phone, you were on a puzzle.
00:14:05
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I was on a puzzle. Oh, let me also explain to you how Charles puzzles. ah
00:14:13
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ah He still in their 30s, by the way, for people just tuning in. yup Still in our 30s. And we're millennial 30s. So really, that's like what, 16?
00:14:24
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think everyone in their 30s is a millennial. i Yeah, but emotionally, we're all like 22. Correct. Yes. Big time. So he he does a good thing where he organizes and we start with all the outer border pieces. And then where he has us organize all the pieces. But then he started criticizing my work.
00:14:47
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Sure. Yeah. You were jamming pieces together that didn't fit. Well, you know, they kind of fit. and And there were um moments where I was like deep into figuring out where certain puzzle pieces went and he's just hovering over me and I'm trying to make decisions and he's going and I'm trying to like, you know, try it a bunch of things. And he goes, no, that's That's not going work.
00:15:08
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That's not going to work. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. You know what's not helpful? Well, yeah. He needs to be working on his own mess and let you work on your mess. Yeah. He's supervising your puzzling is what he's, you're saying. He needs to not supervise.
00:15:20
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He's, yeah he's being a little supervisor. And I, so I repeatedly told him he takes the fun out of puzzles. Yeah. Well, um, puzzles, uh, famously featured.
00:15:35
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And that's right, guys. You guessed it. Uh, this is go get your girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie are on a boat. ahha And there's a rich guy on the boat and we're like, hey rich guy, we're with our dad and we we do some gambling things to like, we like, what's the word? We, we get people for their money. We, um we we're tricksters. We're kind con artists con con artists. And ah we, we see this rich, hot young man and we're like, now's the time for us to con him. And, but then we slowly fall in love with him. And then he discovers that we're con artists and gets real mad and we go away. We come back and we pretend to be like a duchess or a countess of sandwich.
00:16:26
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Something like that. Lady Eve sandwich. Yep. And we look the exact same, but he doesn't question it because why would we look the exact same? Because if I, if we really wanted to look different, we would have put on a wig or something. So it seems too coincidental that we look the same. So we must be two different people. The math doesn't math there, dude. The math doesn't math there. And we fall in love again and we get married.
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And then, ah at the end, uh, some other things happen. Okay. All right. Puzzles. I'm Emma. And I am
Film Introduction: 'The Lady Eve'
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Katie. My God.
00:17:02
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And today we are talking about The Lady Eve from 1941. This is another screwball classic written and directed by the great Preston Sturgis, who um wrote who wrote and directed Sullivan's Travels, Remember the Night, The Palm Beach Story, Unfaithfully Yours, like classic, the king of screwballs, Preston Sturgis, like an absolute... um ah master of the of the genre at the time. yeah I wonder if he was a nice man.
00:17:35
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um I think people really liked him. you he was It's based on his based on a story by Monkton Hoffa or Huffy or Huff. I'm not sure. What a name. um But this was um so Preston Surgis had gotten like some some popularity. not Not as popular as he would later this year with his with Sullivan's Travels which is his masterpiece. Yeah.
00:17:57
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yeah um But he had gotten some Have you seen Sullivan's Travels? That's the one where the guy gets tied down By a lot of little teeny tiny Like people No that's ah that's Gulliver's Travels This is Sullivan's Travels This is it's it's about a um It's about a filmmaker Who makes a bunch of comedy movies And decides he wants to make a serious film And then he like gets stuck Out in um The middle of nowhere with like It's a whole thing It's really great um
00:18:28
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But this is made for Barbara Stanwyck. Barbara Stanwyck, one of the great Hollywood actresses of the time. um This movie was basically written for her. Preston Sergis told her that he was going to make a picture just for her and her abilities. And this is what he wrote.
00:18:48
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And um she's fantastic in this. Yeah, she's so good. Did she win an Oscar Absolutely magnetic. No. um ah she's absolutely magnetic she's super funny she's beautiful she's the best yep um it also stars a heavens so ah so I railed
00:19:17
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No, that's right. Quentin Tarantino momentarily popped in as the guest on this episode. i I mean, Charlie turned to me at that moment in the movie and he goes, was this directed by Quentin Tarantino? Yeah. yeah yeah Puzzle.
00:19:31
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And also a very young Henry Fonda.
00:19:36
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Oh. Who is, of course... um You know, Jane Fonda's dad ah and Bridget Fonda's grandfather um in ah in a ton of movies. um Grapes of Wrath, probably most famously, and this.
00:19:49
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And he is a weird little boy who loves snakes. ah um he is a He is a rich, um the son the son of a beer baron, or rather an ale baron. not beer, Pike's ale. Yep.
00:20:05
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ale there're two typeskes ale yep the The ale that won for Yale. ale that won for Yale. And I guess people liked Yale a lot more in the 1940s than they do now. So people seem to care about that.
00:20:20
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I mean, people still care about Yale. i mean, Connecticut, maybe. um So it's they are on a cruise ship. Most of the first half of this movie takes place on a cruise ship or on an ocean liner, rather. Yes. That is going from South America up to North America, up to New York. And he has been in the Amazon for a year researching snakes. He is a, he does not care about money or ale or anything. He cares about
Plot Overview: Con Artists Aboard
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snakes. Yes.
00:20:51
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yeah And he's got a snake with him on the boat, which I don't think should be allowed. I also don't think it should be allowed. And he also has a very interesting book on the boat, which is... That's so funny. Are snakes real or are snakes... Are snakes necessary, which is fucking hilarious. That's so funny.
00:21:11
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Are snakes necessary? um so No, no. I haven't read it. Then we have um Barbara Stanwyck and Charles Coburn, who's her dad, Who are Connor and and then and in his lover, um ah ah there who pretends to be their butler or whatever. yeah. yeah um They are our boyfriends. I've ah decided it's over. Yes, the two of them are in love.
00:21:34
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I love it so i must have missed it during the puzzle. Yes. And they they ride around on ocean liners and cruise ships and gamble and fleece people for all their money. That's their whole deal. That was like a career. Because this was before the jet age and the way you got from New York to London to, you know, Rio de Janeiro to wherever was by a boat that took like a week, you know, or longer.
00:22:01
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Yeah. I mean, have you heard of Titanic? At night, you would play um bridge, apparently, for tens of thousands of dollars yeah in the 1940s, which is a hell of a lot of money.
00:22:16
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yeah um i mean let's let's my but one of my favorite websites the inflation calculator yeah um is it today let's see here inflation calculator uh 32 000 which is how much had in 1941 i'm gonna guess i'm gonna guess a hundred thousand dollars Yeah, something like that. It is going to be... Why why is it not showing me here? $700,000. Jesus Christ.
00:22:48
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Yeah, that's a lot of money. That's what inflation has done to us. Equals $32,000 buying power in 1941. Yeah, $700,828. That's crazy. a lot of money.
00:23:01
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And he says it's not. He acts like it's not a lot of money. So it's clearly got a lot of money. He's from Connecticut. He is from Connecticut. That's true. That's where the rich people go and stay.
00:23:18
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He's getting on the boat and all the women are losing their shit trying to attract him. Yeah, this scene is very funny. I loved the scene where Barbara Steinwick is sitting um at the... They're in, like, the dining hall, and she's sitting there with her dad, and she's got her little compact out. And you see the shot. The shot's really cool because it's just from the mirror. You just see the mirror image of what's going on behind her with him, and she's just, like, narrating it of all these women going up, like, trying to get his attention. Like, one lady drops her handkerchief, and she's like, that's not going to work, honey. Yeah.
00:23:54
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yeah Yeah, she's she's reading them for filth, basically. Like she is watching all the women try to get his attention and he is not having any of it because he's reading. and He needs to know if snakes are necessary.
00:24:05
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Yeah, he needs to know. It's when he's reading are snakes necessary. But before that, they see him getting on the boat and all the women are are talking about it. And she and she is the opposite. She's like, oh look at this mark. This is going to be great. yeah I wonder if I can hit him with, I wonder if I can bop him with my apple. And she just throws an apple on his head, which is also how I flirt. Oh, yeah. By throwing things at people.
00:24:27
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Yeah. And she decides, so, and she's, the thing is, that this movie is very gender. This movie is very, like, um especially for 1941, she's very sexually aggressive. Yeah. This movie is full of innuendo. It's full of, like,
00:24:49
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the that that They keep cutting to the the gross steam whistle, like yeah bubbling water out when it when it like releases the steam. It's like ejaculating like every all over itself. It's it's it's filthy.
00:25:04
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how They're doing it. This is one of the horniest movies of the of the era for sure. Like it is. When she like first meets him she's like you broke my shoe take me back to my room and you can pick out a shoe and put it on me. but Yeah.
00:25:20
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Yeah. She she throws him around as like yeah physically and emotionally. um Yeah. She. um
00:25:30
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Clunk him. I wonder if I can clunk him on the head with this apple. That's what she says. That's really good. um Every Jane in the room is giving him the thermometer, she says as she's watching in the mirror.
00:25:40
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The thermometer? Yeah, every Jane in the room is giving him the thermometer. Like, checking him out, you know, seeing what's going Taking his temperature, if you know what I mean. And so she trips him, which is a running gag in this. um ah he there's It's very slapstick, too. ah Very gender, very slapstick. um Lots of pratfalls that Henry Fonda pulls off beautifully. She trips him and says, oh, you broke my heel. you have to take me back to my room. And so they go back to her room.
00:26:11
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And she's like, well, you here pick out my, uh, pick out what shoe you want to put on me and then go ahead and put it on me. And she like, and put it on my shirt pushes him onto the, she's doming him. It's crazy. It's so crazy. I'm just like, it's what is happening? And why is he not like being like, this is weird. He's really into it.
00:26:29
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Because they, the, the gender roles are completely swapped for, for 1940, especially like it's very much like she is dominant and he is very submissive. Um,
00:26:40
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And they go back to um to his room. And he is like showing her. Oh, this was after they meet they play cards and everything. I'm sorry. i jumped way ahead.
00:26:50
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And we learned that his nickname is Hopsy. um And we meet her father and the the butler. And they're playing cards. And they let him win for $600, which is part of the the con, right? You know, you let the mark win first and get confident. And then you take him for everything he's got.
00:27:08
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And there's signs posted that are like, beware of professional gamblers. There's people who go on these cruise ships intentionally trying to fleece you. Yeah. And then we meet one of my favorite characters, Muggsy, the great William Demarest, who is his bodyguard slash adopted brother. Like, they adopted him when he was a kid. So he grew up with him.
00:27:29
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Oh, I didn't get that. he's- He's very protective and he talks like Jimmy Cagney. He's like, all right, see here, what's the, what's the problem? Like you're going to do this and I'm going to, or I'm going to give you the old what for. Yeah.
00:27:43
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He is immediately suspicious of all of them. He is like, did you lose money? He's like, no. It's like, all right, well, you have to be careful because I've got a I got a nose for these things and I, I, something stinks. Yeah, he's really good at reading people, which um our our main boy, Mr. Fonda, is not very good at reading people. He's sort of a doofus.
00:28:02
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He's a dumb asshole, Hopsy. He sucks. um He's a dumb little nerd. Dumb little hot nerd for snakes.
00:28:13
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And you know how we feel about nerds on this podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so he walked, they walk ah ah back to his room and he's like, well, this is my room. and she's like, oh, well imagine that. Um, and he's like, do you want to see my snake? Yeah. um They go into, oh, all right.
00:28:34
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And they go into his room and there's an actual snake and he's like, oh, it must've gotten out again. And she's like, again. Yeah. And she screams and runs all the way back to her room, which is what I would do if there was a snake in a, in a, in a room. Same. And. same And she's like, check under the bed, check in the bed. And that's when she throws him onto the ground and sits in the chair and like ah cradles him and forces him to wrap his arms around her. And she's like, oh hold me. But she's the one who's holding him, really. And he's on the ground. And there's this long, unbroken shot that's like maybe two minutes long of this monologue, basically, of her petting him and telling him like how much like he means to her basically even though they met earlier that day yeah um but she is just really quick she's really throwing him around i mean she wants to peg him so badly you know yeah literally and metaphorically yes yes um
00:29:38
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uh yeah there's so much close talking there's like like she's like right in his face like mouth to mouth there's so much like where they're they're they're almost on the verge of kissing like most of the times they're talking to each other and this is where they talk about um the ideals that they have where she he's like well what's your ideal partner and she's like oh a short little guy who makes a lot of money he goes well that's probably a lot of people and she goes yeah i try to have my ideals be realistic which is like
00:30:09
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this kind of thing that was, um that was semi-popular, not necessarily a trope at the time, but the, the idealist who set realistic ideals kind of became, especially a woman character kind of became ah a thing in, in screwballs and later, like, I mean, that's, ah that's Holly Golightly too. Right. yeah know Oh, for sure.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah. Practicality. Right. Yeah. um And kind of the inherent tragedy in that. And, yeah. and She leaves him and she's like, well, I think I'll sleep peacefully now. You've calmed me down from my snake fright. yeah And he's like, well, I wish I could say the same. like She goes, why, Hopsy? Heavens. Hopsy, Heavens. Because he's got a boner.
00:30:57
Speaker
Correct, yes. yeah um Muggsy is talking to him and he's like, first of all, he's telling the the the the cook on the waiter on the ship, bring me four houseflies you can't catch those, I'll take a cockroach for the snake.
00:31:12
Speaker
I was like, I don't think I don't think four house flies is enough to feed a snake on. I think you like that snake needs more than that. It needs a mouth. That poor snake. Yeah. Snakes eat little tiny mices. Yeah.
00:31:24
Speaker
Snakes eat a lot of things. But also you shouldn't bring a snake from South America to North America. What diseases will said snake bring into a different ecosystem? Who knows? Like, we don't know people for you.
00:31:35
Speaker
Yeah, he doesn't care. And he just like lets his snakes walk around willy nilly. They get out all the time. Like a snake all the time. Every single other shot. Ecological. Oh, where's the snake? And then there's the snake in the worst place possible.
00:31:50
Speaker
um So Muggsy is telling him their valet is a cold deck and he he he fleeced him basically. they're the Her dad's boyfriend has ah is has taken him for his money and now he is extra suspicious of them.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah. um And then we have this really cute scene with her and her dad where like her dad really loves her and wants what's best for her but he also doesn't want to quit being a con man. Yeah. So this is where she, yeah, well, this is where she tells him, she's like, listen, I think he might ask me to marry him. And, and he's like, oh, that's great. We can make a lot of money that way. And she goes, no, no, I think I'm in love with him.
00:32:29
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm going I want to be the person that he thinks that I am. I'm going to be the person that I've been being, you know, around him. And I'm going to, I'm going to go straight and you're going to go straight too. And we'll all live happily ever after. And he's like, no fucking way.
00:32:45
Speaker
Yeah. listen I'm happy for you he's like I'm happy for you and you can marry him and and you know you can stop conning people out of money if you want but I'm not gonna do that and I need to get my $600 back and she's like well that's only fair yeah and she's like but no more than that and he's like he's like well we'll see I'm gonna take as much as I can and she's like well I'm gonna cheat back at you and there's this really like cute scene where They're playing bridge for 10 cents a point, which I guess is a lot. I've never played bridge. and i I don't think anybody's played don't know how you play bridge. Outside the 1950s. Yeah. Yeah. I know they played it a lot on I Love Lucy.
00:33:20
Speaker
um And it's like, well, that's like $3,000 or whatever. It's like, yeah Jesus Christ, that's high stakes bridge. A lot of cards. And so she he's cheating and then she's cheating back. i think they're playing poker at this point, maybe. but um I think it's poker because keeps she says, oh, well, I have four aces.
00:33:38
Speaker
Right, right, right. He keeps trying to cheat and she keeps trying to like sabotage his cheating of him. Yeah. To where, to where they, he ends up losing a little bit more money to them but and she's like, okay, that's enough.
00:33:50
Speaker
And then her dad is like, gets even more money from him after she leaves, uh, up to $32,000 or $700,000 2025. So much money.
00:34:02
Speaker
and ah but when she comes back, she has him tear up the check or, or crumples it up and and tears it up. Yeah. Yeah. um ah But then later you find out that he palmed it, but neither here nor there.
00:34:14
Speaker
um But ah he is... and then, yeah, he... um he's in love with
Confrontation and Romantic Conflict
00:34:21
Speaker
her. They, he, they have this whole conversation where he's like, you know, I saw us as, as little kids holding hands. And then we were a little older and I didn't hold your, known you forever. It feels like i boy I didn't hold your hand anymore because holding hands isn't manly. And I'm like, Charlie, Charles. It's and his name is Charles. The character's name is Charles.
00:34:42
Speaker
His name is Hopsy. Let's be real. Yeah. Hopsy, Hopsy. Oh, ha can I start calling, can I start calling Charles Hopsy? I mean, you could if he could hop. What? What does that mean? and That's just a way of me saying that if he were to hop, he would break himself.
00:35:04
Speaker
He can't hop? No, he can hop. He can hop. He can perfectly hop. it's just He's such a delicate little frail creature. Oh, no, Charlie. i'm sorry. Little little Charles.
00:35:16
Speaker
With his brittle bones? With his brittle bones, sickly Victorian husband, Charles. Oh, no.
00:35:26
Speaker
got a real John Keats type. um So this is when they... this is when he finds out. Yeah, so it's the... they He asked her to marry him, and she agrees, and then they go to bed...
00:35:41
Speaker
not together, it's implied. Yeah. And the next morning, she's so happy, but Muggsy has gotten photos of known card sharps from the purser, and he gives the photo to him.
00:35:55
Speaker
And the the purser is like, well, have you lost any money? And he's like, no. And he's like, yeah, well, have you fallen in love? And he's like, you should look at this photo. And then he confronts her, and she's like, I was going to tell you when we got to New York because I you know didn't want my dad and and his boyfriend to get in trouble. Yes. But you have to believe me that, that I, I really, it's, it's real. I love you. And I want to do this. And he like breaks your heart. Like he's a, he's a real asshole about it, which like, I get it. You know, my mom keeps falling for these con men on dating sites. Like it really sucks. Like these people are really bad. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:32
Speaker
mean, the problem with con men is that they don't go after rich people. No, they go out after everyday folks because they know that they can. Well, yeah, i mean, rich people have enough protections around them to prevent them from getting fleeced most of the time, unless you're like, you know, Bernie Madoff or whatever. Yeah, yeah. um So then, like, they get off the boat, and then we cut to like a year later, and this movie is really kind of divided in half. It's like two acts, and the second act...
00:37:02
Speaker
um she is at a horse track and meets her gay uncle um ah who is played by, I can't think of his name. We know he's a her gay uncle?
00:37:12
Speaker
Well, he pretends to be her uncle. He's just a he's just a con man friend of his, but he's very gay. Like he's, okay you know, yeah he's all over the place. um And i mean, he talks like this, you know? think that's how all old men talked in 1941. Yeah.
00:37:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's
The Countess's Return and Deception
00:37:30
Speaker
pretty much. Yeah, they're all gay. yeah like this um and so he is. um He's up in Connecticut and he's like, oh, the place is crawling with millionaires. i have this place out there and I'm taking them for all they've got. Like, it's a great setup.
00:37:49
Speaker
And she's like, oh, you need to have me over. Oh, you know the pikes, the ale that won for Yale? And he's like, yeah yeah, with that weird little kid who loves frogs or whatever. And she's like, listen, you got snake you you got to get me in there. Say I'm your your niece. And then we cut to the great Eugene Palette from My Man Godfrey.
00:38:07
Speaker
Yeah! um With that voice. And he is playing um his dad. It's a very similar part character, actually. It's very nouveau riche. Like, these people have all this money, but they're... you know, they're they're trashy. like he Yeah. has that he will said Nobody wants to give him breakfast. He's so upset that nobody wants to give him breakfast. He's like banging all the, he's ringing the bell. He's banging all the plates. At one point I'm like, dude, just go get some breakfast.
00:38:38
Speaker
He can. He's rich. You don't do that anymore. yeah Goodness. And nobody knows what to do or who is going to serve him because they're all so busy for the preparing for this big party.
00:38:50
Speaker
the Lady Eve Sidwich is coming yeah to their house, which is, and Barbara Stanwyck has not changed anything about her except for the way that she dresses. And she's sort of put on a transatlantic accent. It's not really British. She says she's doing a British and accent, but you know, it's, it's really just more like this, you know, like it's, it's a they nineteen forty s she talks like Catherine Hepburn all of a sudden. That's what the main difference is. Yeah. yeah And she shows up and he's like,
00:39:20
Speaker
hey, you look like a lady I met on a boat. And she's like, oh, it's possible we met somewhere, but not on a boat. i wasn't I've never been to South America, et cetera, et cetera. And Muggsy is like, that's the same dame. And he's like, no, it can't be.
00:39:34
Speaker
If it was her, she surely would have dyed her hair or worn a wig or something. So the fact that she, it's basic psychology, Muggsy. Like she wouldn't do that. No one's got the confidence to try to pull that off.
00:39:44
Speaker
You know who does have the confidence? Our girl, Bob's. uh gene is the character's name yes yeah babs um babs bab stanwick yeah love her love her um she is and she immediately charms everyone because she's the coolest person in the world ah um ah she's got stories out the wazoo that that are just insane she's just making shit up everybody loves her she's the life of the party yeah And she like, you know, kind of attaches herself to him as always. But first she has to humiliate him because yeah he broke her heart. And so he has to go through ah three dinner jackets and presumably it just has to just has to leave the party after the fourth one. So she makes she makes him fall and get shit all over him four times over the course of the evening because that's what he deserves.
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Because he was a dick. Yes. um And, oh man, I'm way ahead of my notes. So. um
00:40:53
Speaker
Then they start dating somehow. Yeah, it cuts forward. They start dating. um And she's like, I've got this plan where a few weeks from now, he'll ask me to marry him. We're going to be out of this beautiful vista. And like the horse won't stop like fucking with them while they're trying to have this conversation. he pulls the exact He pulls the exact same speech he pulled on on Gene on the boat. like yeah We realize that this is a a bit of a scam on his part, just like yeah he was scamming him. like He has this story that he tells women, clearly. He's a scammer of the heart.
00:41:28
Speaker
Yeah. um And she's like, oh, interesting about that. So they... um he does ask her to marry him and then we, they go ahead and they get married. Um, it all kind of jumps forward at this point.
00:41:44
Speaker
Yep. It's very funny. Her wedding dress, uh, Katie's fun fact. Um, Katie's fun fact. Katie's fun fact. Her wedding dress caused a sensation. Uh, Edith head designed wedding dress became, caused a Huge trend in the 1940s. Everyone wanted the Lady Eve wedding dress. It's gorgeous. It's very beautiful. Yeah. With the sleeves. Yeah. Very 1940s. It's a satin, slim A-line with long sleeves and just just fabulousness.
00:42:21
Speaker
Yeah. A long train. Yeah. Satin for days. Is that a cathedral train? i don't know. Yeah. Yeah. um ah so yes they get married and then we cut to the train they've gone from the boat to the train yeah and um ah they oh no her dad misses the wedding and he's kind of like sad about even though he knows it's a con he's like i never thought i would miss my daughter's wedding day but i'm so excited for all this money we're gonna get yeah
00:42:52
Speaker
um And she's fucking with him again. And this time, she they're about to to have sex. And then she starts mentioning all the men that she's fucked before. Yes. She's like, oh, well when I was 16, I ran away with Angus.
00:43:05
Speaker
And they keep doing this, like, really obvious, like, bit where they they keep cutting to the train, going through tunnels and stuff while she's talking about these men that she's had sex with. It's like, yeah just very classic. Because, like, there's a big sign that says, watch your head, we're coming to a tunnel. Yeah.
00:43:22
Speaker
And she's like, oh, well, there was Angus and then there was Herman and Hubert and John. And he's like, John, who's John? And it just keeps cutting back and forth to the train and going through a tunnel and then him reacting to the name. And they never say sex. It's just all innuendo and yeah implication. Like this is still during the Hays Code. Like they couldn't talk about this kind of shit, but this is right up on the line of it, right? Yeah. They were pushing boundaries.
00:43:50
Speaker
Yeah, um talking about her rich sexual history is what wrote. then he fucking he fucking leaves her on the train. He's you're kind of a skank. But the point is that she's humiliated him the way that he humiliated
Emotional Revenge and Resolution
00:44:05
Speaker
her. she She's showing him that, you know, the upper class, these rich, because again, it's it's not just that she slept with these people. It's that they were lower classes too, right? It was the stable hand. It was the... it was the um the the the the groom and stuff like yeah she's humiliating him and showing and also showing him that like because he really believes she's a different person oh right there's this other bit where her accomplice who's pretending to be her uncle talks has this whole story from clarissa a gaslight melodrama yeah um ah that he repeats to to him saying oh yeah a whole thing with her family don't you know like
00:44:44
Speaker
Apparently this handsome Harry fellow like, um you know, slept with their mom and had these two twin girls and they got separated. so he thinks that it's her like twin sister or something. He's very stupid. Yeah, he's very dumb. He's very, very dumb. And he's just so convinced that there's no way that they're the same person.
00:45:02
Speaker
But just because she is like this, she's showing him that, you know, Jean... the person that he considered, you know, lower class and, you know, a bad person because she did this, you know, can be, you know, a more like, you know, it's the 40s. So like a pure, a purer kind of, of, of love than this like heiress, beautiful, like, rich person who he considers to be his equal who is you know not she just really loves to fuck um well and she's claiming it all as like a mistake right yeah she's like oh and then there was so and so yeah so he leaves he just like throws himself off the train basically um leaves all the shit
00:45:53
Speaker
Yeah. um And she is, i think I think also she's punishing herself, right? Yeah, she's really sad. Because she really loves him. Yeah. So not only is she doing this, but she's also, you know, sometimes, you know, when you're in a bad place and like you want, you have this, you know, desire to not only say something to to hurt the person that you're you're upset with, but also to hurt yourself because that's just part of how humans work. Yeah. And so she does that. feel you also deserve it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:23
Speaker
And so now we're cutting forward and they're like trying to get a divorce put through, but she won't, ah she won't sign anything. She won't get anything. She won't meet with the liars. She wants to talk to him. She wants to explain things to him and he refuses to do it basically. yeah And he's like, you know, i'm never going to see her again.
00:46:38
Speaker
Yeah. And it was a real problem. And then she finds out that he's going to see his mother off on ah an ocean liner. Yeah. So she, she gets there before him somehow.
00:46:50
Speaker
And Dresses, like, changes back into her jean outfit, like, and she trips him on the on the boat, just like before. Jean again. And he's, like, immediately, like, forgives her and is is in love with her again, and they run back to her...
00:47:08
Speaker
he immediately is like, Oh, Jean, Jean. Oh, I can't believe it's you, Jean. I haven't seen you in so long, Jean. And she's like, yeah. Yeah. And they make out hard. They make out hard.
00:47:22
Speaker
Yeah. And old people keep walking in on them making out and they're like, are we on the right boat? Yeah. And, um, he's like, she's like, wants to explain things. And he's like, no, it's, it's, I don't want to, I don't, I don't care. Like it doesn't matter. Um, which is, you know, important. And they go back to his room immediately. um and start making it out. And he's like, listen, no, like I gotta tell you, I'm married. And she's like,
00:47:46
Speaker
stupid so am i uh and then they close the door and fuck and then william denveress gets kicked out of the room it's like it's the exact same dame the end yep yep the end the exact same dame because it is and he's just cool with it and i imagine that they just run off into the sunset and are fine with his snakes uh yeah i mean like she people we have things in our lives that aren't perfect you know she used to be a con woman and and he is obsessed with snakes he and is and is a weird little pervert you know and that's fine like sometimes you know you gotta to you gotta to match freaks you know and that's what this movie is about really yeah yeah
00:48:30
Speaker
Let your freak flag fly. Yeah. um I really enjoyed it, even though I paid attention to 60% of it. I'm still listening to it. It's just I was in i was in puzzle mania.
00:48:47
Speaker
You know? Kitty, get yourself a puzzle. Learn the sensation of putting together a puzzle. boyation Boy, boy. It is like every time you get the right puzzle piece in place, it is like,
00:49:02
Speaker
Heroin. Okay. All right. We're overstating things a bit. mean, I don't know. You haven't done a puzzle in a minute. I also haven't done a heroin.
00:49:14
Speaker
Yeah, neither am I. But I'm imagining that it's like, that it's like, you know, you know, that sort of like first sip of an ice cold Diet Coke from the fridge.
00:49:26
Speaker
It's like, yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. um Yeah. I know. I'm not really a puzzler. Not a not a big puzzle person. Yeah. Well, well, you should do it.
00:49:38
Speaker
But yeah, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. yeah Yeah. I'm just double checking that there's ROM in this comm that I want us to do before deciding.
00:49:50
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. I originally wanted to do Finding Her Edge, but then I discovered that it was a ah TV show and not a film. Yeah. and Because I've been really into the Olympics um and just the figure skating. I don't know why.
00:50:05
Speaker
the Olympics started yet or no? No, no. They start in February. Okay. Oh, its just, I was, saying I'm looking over my notes. Just a couple of things I wanted to say real quick. Yeah, go on. umm a She, they, so it it's World War II breaks out in between the first and the second half of this movie. And one thing that happens is the cruise ships stop running. So they can't run their scam anymore. And that's why they have to go to they have to go to land. They have to stop being a boat con family and be a land con family.
00:50:33
Speaker
And the boat, the, the, none of the, um, none of the ocean liners are running. And so like, how did she get here from England? It's like, oh, she came over on a battleship. And one of the characters goes, oh, she must be very, very. And the other one goes, very. I'm like, what does that mean?
00:50:47
Speaker
ah Very, very what? That's so evocative. She must be very, very. want to be very, very. But I want to Yeah. Here lies Emma. She was very, very. She was very. Oh, she must be very, very. It's very heathers coded. How very.
00:51:03
Speaker
Yes, it is. It is. Yes. yes Um, uh, she goes, I need him like the ax needs a turkey.
00:51:15
Speaker
Goodness gracious. Um, uh, yeah, it's good stuff. Uh, she says all women are adventresses. I love that. I love that. Now she's an adventurer. And also she tells him he, he she says something and he goes, what? And she goes, Oh, I was only flirting with you. And I'm like, God, that confidence, like, right.
00:51:34
Speaker
like To have that confidence talking to ah ah a man or a woman or yeah you know a romantic possibility. Yeah. yeah i mean To be like Barbara Stanwyck. got to have that joie de vivre, I think the French call it.
00:51:49
Speaker
They say she was in love with Joan Crawford. It's a whole thing. Really? i didn't know that. There's this whole bit about like this lesbian sewing circle in Hollywood in the 30s and 40s. And um so so, you know, Marlena Dietrich was like definitely gay. um And some other people were, you know rumored to be part of this like sewing circle that she had that was very secretive. Wait, um and but you say sewing circle and this is going to be really stupid of me, but did they also sew or did they just i think they did, yeah. i think that I think it was like an actual sewing circle of like-minded Hollywood women who were secretly into ladies. i was like, you can't call it a sewing circle if nobody's crafting, Katie. No, I'm not sure. I believe this is from the the famous book Hollywood Babylon, which is, of course, movie Babylon for that that that got its name. um i And no one was really sure how true any of that shit is. like It was just very sensational. who could um Yeah, yeah.
00:52:47
Speaker
But there's there's other rumors that she and Joan Crawford especially were involved together when they were young in Hollywood. And when ah Barbara Stanwyck died, there was a um when they were taking the stuff out of her house, there was a framed photo of Joan Crawford on her mantelpiece. And it wasn't like, it's not like there were a bunch of Hollywood photos or anything. There was just that. Yeah, just that.
00:53:09
Speaker
And Joan Crawford famously did not get along with anybody. no um But she and Barbara Stanwyck remained good friends until they both died. Yeah. so Yeah. Oh, good friend. Think of that as what she will. Yeah.
00:53:22
Speaker
Yeah. I love that. Well, she's, ah she's ah um she's, she's great. We, I love her so
Barbara Stanwyck's Legacy Discussion
00:53:30
Speaker
much. We will definitely, we'll probably do ball of fire and maybe, maybe if we get melancholic, we'll do remember the night, which is a very sad Christmas, Romish, Romish, but yeah. Love her very much. Yeah. yeah We'll do that when it's sunny out and we're not all feeling depressed.
00:53:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That Christmas movie. We'll do it in July. Yeah, exactly. until Christmas in July. um What are we doing next time, Emma? uh i was torn between two and then i thought to myself no i can't put katie through another hallmark movie starring um our favorite gretchen wiener from oh boy i'm not doing it i'm not doing it i almost did uh we're gonna we're gonna do the so mostly calm but also a secondary plot line from uh blades of glory
00:54:23
Speaker
Okay, another Will Ferrell goof-em-up. All right. Yeah, you know, we need some lightheartedness here in the darkness of the winter. The other one, true it would have been fun, but like I don't think it's going as fun as Blades of Glory.
00:54:40
Speaker
Sure, sure, yeah. The main thing I remember from this is it has the um the audio clip of... um What does that mean? No one knows what it means. if It's evocative. It gets the people going that that they put in the Kanye and Jay-Z song in words in Paris. do you know?
00:54:59
Speaker
Oh, no. I did not know that they sampled Blades of Glory. Yeah, it's a clip from Blades of Glory. Well, we're going to watch that classic. All right. i have i've I've seen it once.
00:55:10
Speaker
I've seen it once too. And I remember really enjoying it. Yeah. I have dynamites in it, right? Yeah. He's in it. Uh, if you haven't grasped by now, I really love Will Ferrell.
00:55:21
Speaker
Sure. i like some Will Ferrell. Yeah. I can't, I can't get behind all of it. Yeah. But, um, we'll see. I don't remember blades of glory. So yeah, it's gonna be a good time.
00:55:34
Speaker
Well, shall we outro? Well, we haven't watched 60% of the movie, so we get 60% of an episode. I had thoughts. I still attention. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. I can't help it that the puzzle became part of the Lady Eve.
00:55:53
Speaker
Oh, Charlie just closed the door. i'm almost done. It's one of those things though. Like when we talk about a movie that is like really good, there's sometimes less to talk about. Like this is super charming and it was great and everyone was good in it. And that's okay. Here's some funny jokes that were in it. You know, like, would you rather do the Hallmark? Paper thin. Some would say paper thin. yeah no No, no, We're going to do. We're going to do blades of glory.
00:56:19
Speaker
Yeah. My third choice was going to be Valentine's Day, but I can't put us through that yet. Oh boy. oh boy. yeah Well, let's outro. All right.
00:56:31
Speaker
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00:57:03
Speaker
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00:57:16
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00:57:30
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