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Delving into Star Wars THE LAST JEDI with Rebecca | 008
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Join Branwen and Seah as they deep dive into all things Star Wars! This season, we're on a rewatch of the OG Trilogy, Prequels, Sequels and maybe a cheeky spin-off! Follow along as we fly off exploring all the wonders and geekery of a Galaxy Far, Far Away, chatting nostalgia, worlds, lore, music, story, behind the scenes, and much more with each other and some very special guests.
In our eighth episode we're joined by our fantastic film-maker friend Rebecca, as we celebrate "The Last Jedi", Rian Johnson's dramatic middle chapter of the sequel trilogy. We drool over the cinematography, get excited about the imaginative twists and turns of the story, and maybe come up with one or two fairly radical theories about some of the visual story-telling!
Sisters of the Force is a weekly, UK-based, Star Wars podcast, produced with joy and love by Seah and Branwen.
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Transcript
Favorite Lines and Introductions
00:00:15
Speaker
Hey, Bramwen. Hi. What's your favourite line from The Last Jedi? Fire on the base. Fire on the base!
00:00:24
Speaker
And there's a reason for that which will come to you later. See ya. I wasn't expecting that. You imitated it really well. like It was pretty good, wasn't it? I've been rehearsing a week. was pretty good. See, him what's your favorite line from The Last Jedi?
00:00:39
Speaker
I've got a few, but I'm going to go for, why not? I've seen your daily routine. You're not busy.
00:00:46
Speaker
i love that so much. So funny. It's so out of what they're talking about, the context of it. Amazing. We'll get there too. You're listening to Sisters of the Force, a Star Wars podcast. Hello. And I'm Branwyn. I'm Sia. And we are here today to talk about star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8. And not only that, but we've got another amazing special
Rebecca's Star Wars Journey
00:01:09
Speaker
guest. And I'd like to introduce the amazing Rebecca, filmmaker extraordinaire and great Star Wars friend. Hi, Rebecca.
00:01:18
Speaker
Hi there, everyone. How are you both doing? Good, good. Really excited to have you here. Very excited. Thank you for having me. This is a very exciting moment for me right now. We have a Star Wars friend. um It's a shame that you all listening can't see, but Rebecca's got a Last Jedi t-shirt on. Committed. And BB-8 in full view as well, which amazing. Full in the background.
00:01:42
Speaker
I'm kind of glad that you can't see me today because I'm not feeling well, but it's not going to stop me from singing things at you. So if I get huskier as it goes on, then that's just part of it. Amazing.
00:01:55
Speaker
Rebecca, can you tell us a bit about your like Star Wars story? like How did you get into it? How long have you been into it? What... What about it attracts you Star Wars? Well, I've been in Star Wars for as far as I can remember. i was an avid collector of all the toys right back when I was like 13, 14. I'd save all my paper round money, right? And I'd go to the car boot sales and I was rummaged through everyone's carrier bags and boxes and found lots of like old vintage Star Wars toys and of course like I've got an older brother so what toys would he get he'd get Star Wars what toys would I get She-Ra and you know look She-Ra's all right she's all right okay she's got cooler and she's got older I think yeah but he had like all the toys and they were just so exciting it was the characters and Then, you know, I grew the passion for film. Did I realize the genius of Star Wars? I mean, just the fact that it was pretty low budget, the carrots, I just fell in love and surrounded myself with as much Star Wars as possible. And then also brought all the Star Wars toys off my brother because he was desperate for cash. So I waited. knew he needed money. You were playing the long game. I played the long game. I've still got them now. Boxed speed of bike, boxed at-at, you know, more full him, but great on me. So I've loved Star Wars all my life. And there's many a Star Wars story along the way.
00:03:20
Speaker
Excellent. I can't wait to hear some of those as we go through this. Oh, wow. That's amazing. i'm going to have to come around your house at some point. You need to. I'll get i'll get all the stuff down from the loft. I'm not sure my partner will like it very much, but she she'll just have to suck it up. they hope that All the toys will come out. She can manage. She'll cope. She'll be around. I have to say, yesterday I was actually with her and she already invited me. so take well On the premise of showing you my Star Wars toys. Pretty much. That was the dream. Yeah. Fair enough. My worry is I'll get them all out and she'll just see a cruise opportunity in front of her in terms of her flog all that. We could go on a lovely cruise. When you come around Brown, we just pretend they're not worth a lot. Yeah, we just rubbish.
Reactions to The Last Jedi
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Yeah. yeah
00:04:05
Speaker
So we are here to talk about The Last Jedi. Oh my God. It's quite a long one as we were having a little WhatsApp about that earlier on. I did this in two parts, I'm not going to lie. I had a cheeky little 20 minute break in the middle because I was like, this is getting too relentless now. I just need to stop. I like the relentlessness. I was like, keep it coming. Keep it going. It does keep coming. It keeps like, you think it's the end and then it's not. And then it's not the end. And then it's not the end. It's yeah. It keeps giving, keeps giving. As a Neuro Spicy, not quite sure where my attention span is. I just needed little movement break. Yeah. to run around for a bit set piece after set piece isn't it though that's the thing it's like yeah i get the break i get the break it's a controversial one like there's obviously this huge divide in the fans um as to who loves it who hates it like can either of you remember like how did you feel when you first saw it before all that like you know fandom stuff kicked off like what was your kind of first authentic response to it because it is very unusual as a film i think yeah
00:05:09
Speaker
I do remember this. I remember going to see, I went to see this one in Glasgow just when I'd come back from traveling, I think. So I was with one of my best ever friends. We've been friends since we were three. So we were, we went together and I really enjoyed it.
00:05:25
Speaker
And I don't think they did. And I was heartbroken that they didn't enjoy it So I kind of took my, my slight heartbreak and yes, I enjoyed it and just kind of turned it slightly in and didn't speak about it We like enjoyed it as a watch, but they were like, yeah, that's not a good film. Oh my gosh.
00:05:45
Speaker
That's interesting. I'm just wondering that's the last time you went to the cinema with them, to be honest. No. go to the cinema all the time because it is a lot of fun. Fair. Are they not going to be a guest on here in the future? Yeah, they will be. Choose the film wisely though, hey? They probably will. Yeah, I think for me, that i I'm not going to lie about it. I don't like anybody ruining my films. And so I've often gone to see Star Wars films by myself because that way it's kind of, case it's just in case. And then I can kind of not take in anybody else's, I mean, but other than the whole rest in the cinema and everybody else sitting in there. um
00:06:20
Speaker
I just enjoyed it. I actually thought there was a lot in it that maybe got missed by, by some of the fandom stuff. i'll agree you know I think there was a lot of comedy that people didn't expect but actually played out very well. i know i I enjoyed it. I came away going, yeah, I liked that. And I liked the little Easter egg bits along the way. I liked, yeah. i And I didn't, the fandom, it's split. I get that. And not everyone's going to love every one of the films. But I think this
Comedy vs. Drama Balance
00:06:50
Speaker
had a lot more to offer than perhaps people took in on the first watch maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree. The thing about the comedy is really interesting because, yeah, that is one of the criticisms the hardcore anti Last Jedi fandom. But most of those fans who would complain about that would hold Empire on a pedestal. And as Sia and I discovered when we talked about Empire, it's the most banterish comedy film of all. there is a lot of room for comedy in Star Wars. sure. But it's the light and the dark, right? If you don't have the comedy, mean, is it not like bit? It's just too serious. Yeah, exactly. And I think you do need both to balance it out. And I think that actually makes it feel more human or species, should I say, like, you know, because actually we're all light and dark, right? And surely that should be, light and dark should be within the comedy of life as well. So no, I thought it was, I like that bit. I like that bit. Yeah.
00:07:44
Speaker
I had a really weird experience, I think. I went with my mum um and possibly my dad as well, but he doesn't generally pass as much of a comment. but So I was like intrigued to see what my mum would make of it. And we both came out like a little bit shell-shocked, um mostly because I found it like very different.
00:08:03
Speaker
And there's a lot of meta of that within the script of the film. There are lots of lines about... like forgetting the old and kind of moving on with the new. It seems like Rey's vision. I'd never seen anything like that Star Wars. And I was like, so excited. i was like, what is this? This is amazing. This is like a kind of weird dream. Like, I don't even know what this is.
00:08:23
Speaker
There were lots of bits where I felt like this is so far off the path of normal Star Wars, which really excited me because yeah otherwise, you know, you can just keep having the same thing again and again and again. um And this was a golden opportunity where at the furthest point in the timeline at the time, you know, there's nothing ahead of it. You can do whatever you like. yeah And I felt like Rian Johnson really, you know, did that. He kind of took a bit of a wild swing.
00:08:48
Speaker
And consequently, that's where the division is, I suppose. you know If you take a wild swing, it's going to have that effect. Yeah. But yeah, I loved it. I loved it and I still loved it. And I really loved watching it. How how was it watching
Revisiting The Last Jedi
00:09:00
Speaker
it this time? Like I'm guessing you've seen it multiple times. Just a few. Yeah. i yeah It's great. I enjoyed it every time. i do, you know, and I kind of, you spot more and more things in it. And I think I i felt quite energized by it It made me go, I've got to watch the other one. I've got to go back and watch others. And it is different. is It is a little bit off the the path of the others. But like you say, Bronwyn, without that change, without that kind of progress, you've just got to keep it moving forward.
00:09:29
Speaker
And no, I really enjoyed it. I just, I thought it was great. on i ask I mean, I could break that down. I could break great down, which I'm sure we will do as we go along here. But as my general sweeping statement, I did to think it was great. Yeah, certainly, yeah. I don't know if I've actually watched this one that much. Really? So I think this might be my least watched, okay potentially, of all of them. And I, so I don't know whether that was actually...
00:09:56
Speaker
It can't have been a second watch through. It must have been a third watch through. Well, if you saw it in the cinema, and you and I definitely watched it. Did we? Yeah. That would make sense. You've forgotten. I've forgotten. Oh, never mind. It was some time ago. it was quite a long time ago. No, so this must have been my fourth watch through because I think I've seen this with my mum as well.
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah, fair. Yeah, I think I did the cinema twice. But yeah, there was loads of bits that I'd completely forgotten. yeah Loads of bits that still made me And and just...
00:10:29
Speaker
Yeah, it was really, really exciting. It's just my pure need for movement and that means I can't sit still for two, nearly three hours. Yeah, it is pretty long. It is quite a long one. And last week, Sia and I did The Force Awakens together and we went through blow by blow. yeah we and that was That was too much. was a bit of a mistake. So I was thinking this week, and i don't know how you two feel about this, but we could sort of talk about um the opening because the opening is a ah brilliant set piece. It's a real Kickstarter for the movie. But then we could follow each of the like different storylines because obviously there are multiple things going on and we can... like follow ray's journey on achto and then we can talk about the raddus and flying you know escaping constantly from um snoke and then uh the canterbite like excursion and then how it all comes back together again and then the crate scenario at the end so like so it's kind of like six i think kind of main chunks i kind of broke it down loosely i mean obviously we can like we can jump about a bit
00:11:32
Speaker
But yeah, this opening is... Can I say something about one of the first things we see in this opening? My first note is Hux's eyebrows have got more evil. And I don't know how or why this is where we're starting. Do you think that was a conscious part? I don't know. It could well be. I mean, they have tried to, think Hux's journey across the three movies, he gets more and more deranged as he goes along. Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, he's triggered by Kylo every step of the way. Sure. All of my other favourite lines were his. Hux's.
00:12:07
Speaker
All of them. Yeah. But you start, you know, you start that film there, don't you? Kind of going into it and going, right, here comes the big bit. And then you've got a just Poe going, holding for general hugs.
00:12:20
Speaker
You're just like, OK. And to be fair, that that was me kind of saying, this is the film setting out its stall, right? This is saying you're going to have these big pieces, but you are going to have some comedy in there too. you know and it's And then it was just ah you know the line of, I believe, is tooling with you, sir. And it's like that kind of way, like tooling. And it's just like, right. And then you're into it. And I think if ever a film's going to set its stall out and say, this is what I'm going to be about, yeah this one did it. It it really well. Yeah, it did. You knew what you were going to come in for for the rest of the four hours. you know I mean, we can't really go any further without talking about Captain Kennedy, I think. Yeah. Go on then. Counting Candy, if you don't know, is played by a Welshman called Mark Lewis-Jones, who I have recently had the pleasure of recording on a music project I've been working on. And it was so weird to meet somebody from Star Wars. I think I do know another actor who's in Andor, and we'll probably talk about that when we get there. When we get Andor. But seeing somebody on the big screen yeah in in one of the saga films is a little bit different. And it did...
00:13:33
Speaker
Yeah, it kind of freaked me out bit to meet I did mention Star Wars and he was very excited that i did. So watch this space. We may have a little chat with him at some point. I think that would be great. get on and I've also worked with him and I think he's a great guy. And i actually went to cinema i didn't know he was in it. And so he popped up on the screen and I went,
00:13:53
Speaker
it's MLJ as I like to call him affectionately I was like this is amazing like this really great Welsh actor just boom straight in there and I was like this is great and then obviously you know it' fire quite short dipped crush quite shortly but again just ah what a treat what a treat for yeah particularly you know ah set people from Wales and but I mean he's yeah Many people are a fan of him across the board, aren't they? But yeah, what a treat to have him there and really played that brilliantly. He gave it everything. He absolutely rocked it. was the perfect, like angry Imperial captain with a huge ship. The shot where the dreadnought appears is like, I mean, we're going to talk a lot about cinematography, I think, today, because that was one of the main things I kept noticing. How visually incredible, like on so many different levels, And there are some establishing shots of ships, like including that one. and We see a brilliant shot of the Supremacy later on when that appears with the with the rest of the fleet.
00:14:52
Speaker
But it's such a nasty looking ship. And the sound design of the ship, like the engines of it. Yeah. Gritty. Yeah, that's a really good word. It's gritty. What's the grit in that? It's kind of engines are like a siren. you know and You know, they normally have like the Imperial siren, but this is like just its running sound is...
00:15:12
Speaker
it' Terrifying. And the red light on the bridge, I love that. It's great. It's so intense. I did have like, that they've for all kind of, the Imperial Guards are getting kind of more textbook Disney queer villain. Yeah. Anybody particular you're talking about now? Mostly Hux again, I think. But then there was all there's a lot of flavours of it, I think, with yeah quite a few of them. And it's like, oh, we've we've gone to that kind of moustache-twirling, queer-coded. Yeah, there is ah there is quite a variation. We were talking last week about how young the yeah First Order are. And then this one, there's a bit more
Luke and Rey's Relationship
00:15:50
Speaker
of a range. Yeah, there are some older ones. And yeah, all different shapes and sizes, which I think in the original trilogy, um
00:15:58
Speaker
I mean, it's not so relevant in the prequels because the Empire wasn't there. we didn't get that kind of established kind of look or vibe. But yeah, definitely in the sequels, there are a lot more different types of Imperial, which is good thing, I think. I mean, not that we're rooting for the Empire. The first order. We like to see representation on either side. We haven't got that bigoted old Palpatine recruiting anymore. Exactly. It's a much more broader spectrum of representation across the galaxy and that's what I think is great. Absolutely. But what did love about the opening scene is how they did set some of those kind of, what I would call, and you, the two of you, are the sound and music wizards, right? So I'm not going to be a judge on this, but what do feel they set in that opening scene was another tone, which is what they played with sound, where they would emit the vocals from the scene, drop the
00:16:56
Speaker
some of the sound and cuts the music and Atmos at a very different balance. So you would see people scream or shout. You had Poe and MLJ, who are lights cool now. um And it would just drop, they'd drop the music, they'd drop and then, but they'd bring up the Atmos. So that was a kind of little sound motif, I think, throughout the film where they did that on a few big occasions. where they really toyed with whether we hear the vocals at moss music yeah and just played with that and I think again that they set that in that massive opening that start in that beginning was I just thought that was that was that was a bit tasty as well if I'm honest I liked that yes yeah I thought all right I don't have to I don't have to hear them scream actually I need that little pause of sound yeah and then straight in again and it was like
00:17:42
Speaker
ah wow okay so it felt like audio wise was being pulled around a little bit or or was i starved of a scream did i need the scream or did and i thought no i didn't i didn't need the shout i didn't need that yeah just needed that that kind of atmos pull or that music dip and boost again i just thought that's interesting really lovely little thing they did throughout the field i know they've done it on other films as well but i think again it just laid out the stool a bit at the beginning and said yeah we're gonna play a bit of this They kind of do it, I think they just definitely do it more in this one than any of the others that I've seen, especially with like the Force Connection stuff is where they do a lot of yeah playing with the Atmos and things.
00:18:18
Speaker
And like, I did note that we haven't really seen much of that before, not in the same way. yeah Yeah, like heavy audio processing of the dialogue and stuff. rather yeah Of course, all the films have got loads of incredible sound design, but it's mostly diegetic effects of yeah yeah know crafts or weapons or whatever, droids and everything. But like you're absolutely right. Yeah, there's a lot more like interesting processing. yeah Yeah, that's a great...
00:18:45
Speaker
Cool, actually. hadn't really registered that, um which is interesting. But you're absolutely right on where it gets to eventually. We're going to talk about that when we get to it. one of the most notable sound moments in all of Star Wars.
00:19:00
Speaker
Yeah. There was ah a visual motif that I noticed, which I have seen it before when I've watched it, but it kind of came a bit into focus this time. And I don't know if it relates to some of the meta stuff of the film, but you keep seeing, I say you keep seeing, it several times you see like ah a kind of slice visual motif. So there's a ah tie that comes flying over, I think chasing Poe, and the the tie gets kind of caught behind through this kind of grill thing somehow. like It must be part of the dreadnought or something where there's like vertical slices, a bit like an egg slicer, you know that yeah kind of thing. And the tie goes crashes through it and goes into pieces.
00:19:42
Speaker
yeah And I mean, the word slice becomes really relevant later on in the story when we get to DJ and you know the Counter-Bite adventure. but And during that sequence, we get some more of the same type of visual. There's a bit where we see something go through another kind of grill type thing. um I don't know what that means.
00:20:01
Speaker
i think it's like we're shredding the rule book. I might be looking too deep, but I think it's something you'd probably have to go back and check out. Once you've seen it, you can't kind of see it. I need to go back and watch it again now. So either that, I mean, I've also now got craving to get myself an egg slicer because I missed the retro. So maybe there's a kind of message in that. But yeah, no, you're right. Actually think about it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There was those kind of moments and I know what you mean. i think there's a few like micro versions of that as well, but i can't think of it off the top of my head. But definitely there are some some shift moments. I've been too much YouTube where you see people slicing jelly through egg slicers. Well, that's the vibe, obviously. That is the vibe and that's where my brain is going and now I can't unsee that or be relevant to this film at all.
00:20:49
Speaker
And then we've got this wild sequence with the bombers and who we later find out is Rose's sister. and The visual storytelling is just awesome. That moment where, you know, the the bombs, she's trying to load up the bombs drop and yeah the shots where she's fallen down. And that beautiful, beautiful shot where she first opened her eye and you thought, you're conscious. And it was just gorgeous. It was just the framing of the eye. There was another silence, what wasn't it Exactly. they just did and then and then it was like a ah moment of, okay, she's conscious, she's alive. Can she do this? And then it was like then the kicking bit. And it was just and just that little shot. I thought she had one of she actually had one of the best shots, I think, in the film, actually. Yeah.
00:21:33
Speaker
that coming to consciousness being there and just a moment to look into her soul and her eye moment and what's going to happen next. I thought it was a really beautiful moment actually. Short-lived in the film, right? But great moment, right? we We've established two great moments now in the film of short-lived characters, but great moments. and One on each side. There's a fair amount of short-lived characters. There are. That's Yeah, Rian Johnson was not light-handed. No. Finishing off some kind.
00:22:02
Speaker
Yeah, her little story, Paige, thought it was brilliantly told visually because there's very little dialogue, yeah but but we know what's going on. like We understand she is flying or she's part of this like bomber team and such a bad design that if one goes off and they're all in formation, yeah they all go up. So brilliant, yeah nice work. A little bit of distance is good people. Yeah.
00:22:24
Speaker
But like her story of like, oh, how do we know that she can still trigger the bombs to drop?
Throne Room Scene Analysis
00:22:31
Speaker
Like, and and how is she going to get the remote control? Like all of those things were so brilliantly told with just like framing and like camera work. Really, really great. But yeah, pretty devastating. yeah It was really devastating. That was one of my notes was this is a lot there's a lot of huge loss of life right at the beginning. yeah And we brought up another thing that we've referred to in the past, which is, I mean, this happens again later in the film, but the kind of
00:22:57
Speaker
when everyone is celebrating the death of many, many people. Yeah. um And we were talking about Ackbar in Return the Jedi when he, when the Superstar Destroyer is brought down, he is the only one on the bridge of Home One looking like resigned and forlorn about it. All the other Monkals in the background are leaping around. um And Leia does the same thing when the Dreadnought blows up. She's sort like, oh gosh, you know, feels... Yeah, yeah, that's lot of people.
00:23:26
Speaker
the loss. So I'm glad some of the characters do. Yeah. yeah Some of them do. Some of them don't. i've got I've got a bone to pick with Ray later on. so I've got the same bone to pick with Ray, i think.
00:23:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's probably exactly the same one that we've picked up. Most likely. It's a theme. It's one of the things. um I don't know if i' mentioned to you in our emails, or Rebecca, but we're tracking various things. yeah um And that is one of them. I don't know mentioned that one.
00:23:51
Speaker
um The kind of g glu glee over loss of life. So... Just just another chapter in that story. Fair. They're not learning. They're not learning. They're still celebrating all of these yeah horrific war crimes. So at the end of this whole sequence, um we get my first favourite bit of like scene change storytelling where Finn...
00:24:16
Speaker
says where's Ray and then we cut to Achtou Achtou Achtou can never remember how you pronounce it does it cut right when we first see him no he wakes um yeah he wakes up and then like Poe is helping him yeah yeah um we've had the whole BB-8 yeah like trying to tell Poe what's going on Finn, naked, water, what? yeah So funny. Yeah, and he he puts his arm around him and Finn says, where's Rey?
00:24:42
Speaker
And then we cut and we get the same score as we did at the end of The Force Awakens, the same tune. Yeah, it drops you right back into that scene. Slightly different arrangement, but like, yeah, you're there, exactly. You're like back on that scene on the clifftop and we're exactly at that moment where she's still holding out the lightsaber.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah. And there's a, which we will now talk about Ray and Luke, I think while we're there, if that's okay. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, yeah, there is a There is another, like at the end of this first bit of Ray and Luke, because obviously we have multiple chunks of it. Yeah. um But at the end of it, she says, where's yeah And it cuts to Kylo, I think, in the throne room. so Luke says, where's Han? And then it goes back to him. So yeah, Luke, not Rey. So yeah there's all these little, I love those little film-maker-y things. And Rian Johnson is, I just love what he does. He's such a great light director and writer. My first note on Luke was, I'm glad that he's still a brat.
00:25:40
Speaker
I was thinking, I was calling him me diva throughout the whole film. I was like, I'm sorry, diva this one, isn't he? Yeah, it's a diva. Absolute diva.
Leia's Force Potential
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. didn't Didn't let down, did it, in that kind of brat diva vibe. He still had it.
00:25:58
Speaker
He's kind of reverted, I think, through being on his own. I think through, because ah I was listening to our episode about Return of the Jedi today, and we were talking about the fact that he had kind of become a bit more, he'd become a little bit more like, yeah you know, a bit more Jedi-like, whatever that means. yeah um And respectable, perhaps. And yeah, he's right back in in his early... Yeah, back to being a brat. He's also a little bit like Grumpy Old Man. i mean, he's a bit, a lot Grumpy Old Man. Yeah.
00:26:27
Speaker
It's very difficult for us to like imagine what he's gone through. and I think this is part of the problem that a lot of the like negative response to the film is is about Luke's story and how some of the fans were disappointed that he wasn't shown as this like epic hero that they all dreamed of kind of thing. But he kind of actively talks about that and actively is like, yeah I didn't want it. It's explained multiple times yeah in a really ah like convincing way. um and And you only have to look at who he learned from. He learned from Yoda yeah and Obi-Wan. both of whom went and, you know, sort of pretty much gave up the ghost. They had a job to do. They wanted to, but they were really putting their hopes into the twins. Yeah. And then they weren't prepared to do it either. So he wasn't. Yeah, exactly. i think his Jedi trauma is real and not to be underestimated. Like the weight of the galaxy.
00:27:17
Speaker
being on your shoulders, I thought it was a pretty realistic turn of events, especially as yeah we don't like to think of the TV shows and the comics and all the other like stuff that's out there as filling in the blanks. you know I think people complain about that, but yeah, why not? you know We have this amazing multimedia um format in in the world of Star Wars. We can learn about characters from different perspectives, with different writers and different formats. um And I love the way they're just dying to fill some of that in for us. yeah
00:27:47
Speaker
about what did happen to Luke between Jedi and and this, because, you know, obviously a lot did. I feel like we definitely get enough, or enough of an exposition throughout this film of what what's happened with him. 100%. The three sides to every story thing is yeah phenomenal. I absolutely love that. And I remember seeing it the first time and when we finally get the third side, which is the truth, you know, that it was six or one, a half a dozen, the other kind of thing. And like...
00:28:15
Speaker
I thought this is so good, like having seen Luke's side and then you see Kylo's side and you think, ooh, what's going on? and These are different stories. And then you kind of think, yeah, Luke, okay whatever happened, it was bad. Yeah, yeah yeah it wasn't good, right? Whatever down. Yeah, I think the the location is really interesting. I mean, it's probably for for us who have lived in Wales, um particularly those of us in West Wales, was shot in Ireland, obviously, but it's very similar to the... I've been there. Have Years ago, I've been there. And I'd like to go again because it is beautiful. Road trip. When I was a child, like I haven't been since... Yeah. Yeah. yeah Ahead of the time. right now Yeah. Yeah. I've been to a lot of these locations before these films came out. Paving the way.
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00:29:05
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So there was, yeah, there was some, for for those of us who live here in this kind of part of the world, it did feel a little bit um weird in a way of like, oh wow. So the Jedi came from...
00:29:19
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West of the UK, yeah. This is kind of like, what? But it's obviously a beautiful place to to shoot. really nice Not the most convenient place to shoot, though, in terms of... ah Because, I mean, there was some controversy around whether they should have filmed there in terms of the site, wasn't it? But, yeah I mean, i you know i'm not going to dive down that. I just thought it was beautiful. i thought actually if i was going to put Luke anywhere, I'd put him there. ah He opted it himself, but it felt befitting to actually where he was, this kind of beautiful yet rough and slightly torn character
00:29:54
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yeah split like you know location visually. It was like one minute you had beauty, then you just saw the rage of the of the sea all around the rocks of nature. And I just thought actually that was a great, great location to place him in. definite know Definitely.
00:30:09
Speaker
And again, the tone setter at the beginning of that scene when Ray took the lightsaber, lobbed it over his shoulder, done. And it was like, okay, because I don't bet that destroyed some Star Wars fans. I get that. They were like, how dare How dare he? I could see. But I was just like, it's complicated. Of course. It's complicated. And he doesn't want that. He's done with that. And that's not what he's here for. And she's brought back to him. she' probably It would have been so boring. Like if he'd he had said, okay, I'll teach you. And then we have this training of Rey. And then she goes and defeats Kaia. It's like, well, is why we don't want that. Exactly. We don't want that story. I did have a little note about there does seem to be this thing in Star Wars as a whole at times where there's quite a lot of men having a little bit of an ego strop or a brood and women having to go and slap them out of it.
00:31:01
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And like Leia especially seems to do it a lot. She must just be so bored of this now. She's like, well, here we go between my partner and my brother, I've had to be dead on this all my life. LAUGHTER And now Poe. And now Poe. Like, oh, just to stop. Seen him all before. Yeah, definitely. Just stand in the middle and be like, no. Yeah, just no.
00:31:27
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Rey has got that, like, absolute pureness about her to be the person to do that. And yeah she's so persistent with him and she's so patient with him. yeah She does eventually lose it a little bit. Absolutely understandably. Like, she did way better than I would have ever ever done.
00:31:42
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She had more patience than I would have had. I've got a low tolerance for male ego brooding. it's good job it's none of us. Sorry if this comes as a surprise to anyone.
00:31:55
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You're listening to Sisters of the Force. And all of us here, again, we've got no tolerance for that. Yeah, full respect to Rae. gets you did it She did a good job. um isnt it i loved the tree and and the whole kind The sound design of the tree. Oh, my gosh. It sounds... reminded me of Dagobah in some ways, but also is completely unique in its own way.
00:32:20
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I think we talked about the score of Dagobah in the Empire episode, didn't we? Yeah, we did. And Williams' is kind of like abstract Stravinsky-esque like weird use of orchestral instruments. And there was a lot of that in that.
00:32:33
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see And referring to your original thoughts about the sound, Rebecca, there's that when when they're inside the tree and they're having that conversation about like... Who are you? You know, all that kind of stuff. They they use reverse reverbs yeah on Luke's voice.
00:32:47
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some there's Lots of strange effects and processing and placement of sound for no actual diegetic reason, just because it's kind of stylish and we're in this weird, like, what is the tree? Where did it come from? yeah Is it natural? Did the Jedi fill it with force or was it naturally a force you know imbued thing?
00:33:07
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there was me just thinking what's going on with his voice yeah and i knew you'd be able to articulate for me i said oh there we are reverse reverb everyone that's what's going on there but yeah absolutely you know to like i know i could hear that and i was like oh wow okay that's cool but was like i i didn't know the technical term so thank you for that you know definitely that was part of it and then there was a bit of an asmr thing about his voice yeah yeah Where normally when you record location sound, you're as you would probably be able to talk about this better than I would. But like nowadays, they'd often have like a hidden microphone somewhere. Like, yeah, like yeah like a love type thing. And then but potentially multiple booms as well. yeah star Wars, you can have all of the everything. But consequently, you don't get this super close sound. Yeah. Because you want it to sound like it's in the space wherever you're shooting. But there were moments in that where they got rid of all of that i idea. They've definitely overdubbed it. Yeah. Yeah. And did like some ADR where you rerecord the dialogue afterwards. Um, and so you could end up with Luke's voice being almost like in the corner of your ear in a kind of ASMR way. Um, I think it was mainly for one line. yeah.
00:34:14
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So the who are, when he says, who are you? Who are you? Yeah. And he repeats it, doesn't he? He's like, yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. It really got us into that kind of mystical, like unsettled vibe, which I love for anything Jedi. Yeah. I was a little bit distracted then when we got into the tree by the number of books, yeah Jedi texts on the shelf. It was like, here's the Jedi library consisting of yeah eight books. i was like, really?
00:34:43
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was like, is this yeah is it i didn't i thought is this the whole all of them? Or is this like... And I thought, well, okay, let's be fair. if We're talking about the Jedi being a religion. I mean, there's only one Bible, right? Or versa. But I was like, eight? I was just kind of like wanted...
00:34:57
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I wanted a little more than just those. But it's not the same as their archive, it? Because their archives are massive. Yeah, they are massive. but I think this is just an early Jedi location. I don't think they stayed here. We don't know much about this place yet. yeah um I need to look that up in in the timelines book, which we were talking about before the show um But yeah, I want to find out more about Akato and...
00:35:21
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like How long were the Jedi base there? Because clearly by the prequels, which is 25,000 years later or whatever it is, yeah they've established on Coruscant and they've got, as you say, Sia, the massive archive, which is presumably digital. Although I seem to think in some of the Clone Wars episodes you see you see a library know books and stuff. yeah Maybe I'm imagining that and because I haven't seen the Clone Wars archive.
00:35:44
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Pretty sure. Obviously, through the the history of Jedi, there's been more writing. My like interpretation of those books in the tree is that they were just like the very early origins, like the first draft of of the Jedi Code, which has since been enlarged upon and added to by...
00:36:01
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I mean, the Jedi have changed the way that they operate so many times over the years, even in the High Republic, which we know now know quite a lot about in the books. um And then what we know about in the prequel era when they were kind of working with the Republic and there's all these different iterations of the Jedi and how they kind of govern themselves. Or, you know, is it like one person or is it multiple people? And sure I think, um long story short, I think there's a lot we need to learn about how you've also just ruined my joke particularly there of your knowledge and wisdom on it there's eight books ah oh no there's a whole load of them and actually all right okay yeah sorry no fine yeah you're entirely you're entirely correct um but it was just i still was like this little tiny shelf and this that was true big old tree yeah of just but you're right they are the the the the origins as it were but um That was one of my other contenders for favourite lines was Yoda's page turners. They were not. dead They were not. Yeah. Great line. Great line. The broke into laughter at that point. That's like Star Wars comedy its best, I think. Yeah, that was great. I mean, we we know Yoda is a sass machine, but even for him, that was great. That was so good.
00:37:22
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We haven't mentioned the porgs yet and Chewie's like Chewie's porg discovery and like how he bonds with them eventually but having been eating them he's a porgivore. Yeah. That's the beginning.
00:37:34
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there's there's i think for me there's a few like what I call hold my pint moments in the galaxy, right? And it's like the Ewoks, we're the cutest thing in the universe. Porgs come along, hold my pint, mate, stepping up, pork step up. And then you're like, actually, they are super cute. They're pretty cute. And then, of course, Grey Goose steps up. It's like, I'm in. But there's, you know, the Porgs. And there's a little bit of that moment. I've got to be honest with you, between R2-D2 and BB-8 as well. It's like, which, you know, they're both amazing droids, right? I can't choose between the two of them. But I did really, I thought I would never love another droid more than R2-D2. And then BB-8 stepped up. And I was like, ah, you know, is this a hold my pint moment? Or is this a share of pint moment? I don't know. I think it's share. It's a share. We're going a share. We'll go for a share. Yeah, I more comfortable with a share.
00:38:22
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BB-8 is an incredible design yeah in terms of like, it it it makes more sense. Yeah, yeah it does. It does. He's very fast if he wants to be. Yeah, where out yeah. I've been i've been watching um Star Wars Resistance for the first time. um It's one of the animated shows. i don't know if you've seen any it. haven't seen it, actually, no.
00:38:42
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um It's really interesting stylistically. It's kind of like very hand-drawn compared to the other animated shows. So it's got a kind of a 2D vibe, but it's still kind of 3D somehow. The lighting effects are really clever. It's amazing. like They obviously spent ages designing it. Anyway, yeah long story short, um I think it's set around this era and BB-8 is in it quite a bit and he goes on missions with the main character, Kaz. And We see a lot of BB-8 doing really cool stuff and like thinking for himself. And ah a bit like Chopper in Rebels is similar. he He often goes off on his own little mission and he's known as being a terrible war criminal. Yeah, yeah. Whereas BB-8 is cute. Chopper is like the vicious equivalent of R2. But yeah, BB-8, it broke my heart when he got blown across the light corridor and his head fell off. and Oh my gosh. He's magnetic. He just put it back on again. We're good to go. Brilliant design. Takes ages to fix R2. Yeah.
00:39:46
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but those but But yeah, I mean, back to those porgs, though. I mean, amazing. And that like little journey then of them befriending Chewie, then they're off and they go on this little, and their little screams nested in the falcon. I just, I, again, I thought they were a bit of a joy.
00:39:59
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and They were. thought i think they're based on puffins. um I don't know if I've mentioned that I'm into birdwatching on this podcast before, but I am a birdwatcher. And there's an island just off West Wales called Skoma where you can go. um i went last summer and there are, I think, 45,000 puffins living on this very small island. They're very, very tame. And you can absolutely see that's clearly what Paul's based on. yeah I presume there are puffins on Skellig, you know, on on the actual island, I'm guessing. Yeah, there are. I think so.
00:40:29
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But now I've just heard there are 45,000 porgs living in small islands of the coast of West Wales. And I'm like, I'm off. I'm going. That's what I've heard. Apparently it's some of the best scuba diving in the UK. I've been very, very keen to dive in Skoma.
00:40:45
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but oh That's side tangent. There's nothing to this. Well, let us know when you do. Yeah, Maybe when this comes out, everyone can hold me accountable. yeah scubra go and leave river us go yeah yeah The other inhabitants of Akhtero, what I've called Beatrix Potter hallucinations. Totally, totally. They're like Mrs. Teggywinkle or whatever the character is.
00:41:12
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Yeah, completely. i did to write that in my notes. What are they? And then Luke calls them caretakers quite quick quite early on. but then But what are they? They do have a species name, but can't remember what it was. In the novelisation, you get quite a lot more about them. and And in fact, they did shoot some extra scenes. There's some deleted scenes on Disney+, plus I think.
00:41:31
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At the beginning of the whole Luke Ray story, he says he's going to give her three lessons and we only see two of them. yeah The third one, which they did film, I think, um ah so I can't remember how it works, but she thinks that the caretakers are in trouble. And she like goes off on an adventure to to sort of rescue them. And Luke says, don't go. And she goes and she does the kind of impulsive, like Padawan thing, which Luke obviously did when he was training with Yoda. You know, he's like repeating that same lesson.
00:42:01
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And it turns out there was nothing wrong that they were just having a like celebration or whatever and she looks really stupid. And so we did, I don't i probably told that all wrong and I'm sure there's loads of Star Wars fans screaming at their phones at the moment. But the point was is that there is a lot more about them, or there was, in yeah but I guess they just ran out of time in the film.
00:42:19
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There was a lot. Yeah. If it was any longer, would have needed a longer break. Yeah, I don't think we needed the side quest to the character. I don't think we needed that. I think I saw enough. There was the comedy value. There was the love of the island within them. eyes kind of um I was good. The history alongside the Jedi. you know They were part the Jedi. I absolutely loved the shot where Rey cuts the stone in half and it falls down that wheelbarrow. They're just like, like oh, it's the Jedi, they're at it again. Here they are again. Fine.
00:42:56
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Resigned. One of the other features, the last thing I think probably to to talk about on Rey's adventure on Ahto is her visions with Kylo. Yeah. Like this kind of Force connection thing, which I just loved. It's like a new of the Force that we've never seen. And I love that neither of them know what's going on either and they're just like, what? Yeah, they're figuring it out. Wait. The way that pays off in The Rise of Skywalker, I think, is is one of the best connective tissue between the three films because there's probably a lot that can be said about the lack of connective tissue because of the changes in directors and so on. But that one thing, the way this is set up, established, and that they discover it as they go along yeah um to the point where we get to the point where they can actually touch hands yeah in that last connection they have. yeah Again, cinematography-wise, there's a brilliant one. I think it's like the second or third connection they have where Kylo's standing in this kind of viewing room um on the Star Destroyer or the Supremacy. Is this the where he's semi-naked? No, it's before that, I think. There's sparks coming down. okay um outside in the docking bay that he's like got a view out onto. yeah So there's fiery sparks coming down and Ray is underneath the falcon and there's water because it's raining. It's dripping off the falcon. So you've got this fire and water thing going on. It's so good. And again, the audio, we've already talked about this, about like the use of like reverb on their voices and reverse reverb because it's an unnatural connection kind of thing.
00:44:22
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so it's a non-real space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really weird. Lovely moment. I love how that that develops and how they figure it out. I just think that's so cool. That connection that they have where he is in his bedroom or wherever he is, where he's wearing cumberbund for no apparent reason. Have you got a kimono or something? but Yeah. When that happened in the cinema, ah my friend that I was with, i can just every time I watch it now, I can just hear their cackle because they lost it at that point. And like... And then I did too, because it was funny. But then I i can't watch that scene without hearing the cackle.
00:44:59
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And like everyone in the cinema just turned around to look at us and we would we'd we'd lost it. It's super uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. Throughout this film, their relationship is super awkward. It is awkward. yeah It's intentionally done, I think.
00:45:14
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It is, and I think that's what makes it feel quite, you can buy into it more because it is yeah all a bit awkward. It's all a bit unknown. It's all a bit like, oh, what's going on? And we're not sure about this. And it pays off so much when they yeah do connect and their harmony in in the amazing throne room scene. Yeah. Anybody got any hear other thoughts about Ahto before we move on talk about... The dark pit.
00:45:34
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The pit. The dark, the pit. my gosh. Rey's vision, of course. Rey's vision, but also the pit in general, when we first see the pit, I think that might be my favourite piece of music or one of them because like it gets all very ah sinister-y and a bit creepy but like also quite dramatic. yeah Yeah, we see it in her lesson when she has lesson one with Link and when he's playing with her a bit but then she does go into that vision which is beautifully put together with a little montage of all the different aspects of the force yeah and it ends with the pit. With the pit.
00:46:12
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And when she goes down, like the whole sequence, as she climbs out of the water, yeah yeah and we're dying to see her parents, yeah just like the suspense of that.
00:46:25
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I remember before the film came out, it was what we were all talking about, of are we going to out who is Rey? Yeah, who is Rey? Yeah, and the the finger clicking scene with multiple... So bizarre. So cool. But like so trippy.
00:46:39
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Really trippy. Very so psychedelic and not like anything we've ever seen before. I was going say, i mean, I'm going to slightly, know if I'm lowering the tone or actually making this more... cerebral that made all I imagine is it felt a bit like birth in reverse where we were going yeah back down the birthing canal shall we say for the best yeah into the water and then I'm going to see my parents in a slightly different it was it was a little bit room like a little bit mike it's like the pit was like this very then we were in water was like and it's all about my parents and where I'm from and I was a bit like because that pit could have been like any kind of
00:47:18
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shape. She have landed in anything, but it was very much, I mean, I guess it made vaginaship it was Did it, was it vagina shape? we birthing back in again and landing in that lovely, highfu yeah you know, water, just you then kind of getting close and connecting with parents. i don't know. Yeah. Maybe I read way too much into that. but No, I bet that was on the mood boards and you know yeah I'm sure that was talked about. Also, the fact that it's, I think this probably coincidental because I don't know if Ryan knew what the final story of Ray was going to be, which we obviously find out um in JJ's story later on. Yeah, yeah.
00:47:52
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So they have to keep it kind of keep it vague almost. Yeah, except what noticing, having you just said that, is that we originally see the pit in terms of the dark side. yeah And so the fact that she goes into it and she is the sort of descendant of one of the biggest Sith Lords in the history of the Force.
00:48:11
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So there is like this kind of dark side in her family. Like it's kind of her birthright in a weird way. Yeah. so I don't know. um'm probably I think I'm definitely like projecting that onto it. She's narrating it to Kylo, isn't she?
00:48:22
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Yeah. but We're seeing it as a flashback almost. Yeah. I don't you've had that kind of narration before either. No, it was really weird. Because I was like, wait, what's happening? And then it kind of pans out and you go, oh, she's talking to Kylo about Yeah. And he's there in the hut. Yeah. you know Like we've got all of these kind of mind boggling phenomena happening at the same time. All new force stuff that we've not come across before. Yeah.
00:48:45
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I yeah ah can't understand why fans wouldn't love that. Every time we find out something new about the Force, like the Force is this ever discoverable thing. you know It's not all what Yoda didn't define it. you know yeah like His stuff in Empire Strikes Back, I know it told us a lot about the the kind of principles of it. And then we learned a bit more about midichlorians and everything else in Yeah. um The prequels, but like, this is like all new stuff and we're learning new skills and new possible ways of the force, like manifesting for different people, which is so awesome. Yeah. I thought in that moment as well, her trust of Kylo, when he kind of said her, your weakness is your parents. But then yeah I was like, how do I feel about that? Has she kind of gone down this?
00:49:28
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I'm telling to him about this vision relating to my parents, but he's already said to me, that's my weakness. But I'm trusting in that story. i think some people might have found that frustrating, but i found that really interesting. I thought it was the complexity of that relationship that they've got, yeah even though he's kind of flagged that yeah to her as being a weakness. She's still sharing yeah the importance of that in her life and that journey she's been on. And I thought, interesting, because there's that real pull between them.
00:49:54
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There's that real pull between them of just not just the force, or it's a it's a a relationship of both power, trust, confidence. There's a lot playing out in that, I think, in it in ah in a lot of ways. Definitely. I think we learned a lot about Kylo's play, where he's at at this time. Because he's this whole film, he's got this very in-the-moment vibe about him. um He's not carrying any dogma. It feels like he's almost stepping away from Snoke already. you know Snoke has been his master, but he's clearly like um abusing him horrifically as an apprentice kind of thing. And you can tell he's sort of had enough of that. And he's like he's trying to figure stuff out for himself. And I feel like he keeps saying...
00:50:36
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cut it, forget it, move on, get it live on throw it away. like he His whole thing is like, get rid of it. yeah um I mean, there's definitely some meta stuff in terms of like Star Wars and like we're getting rid of all of the dogma of the Jedi Order from before and like that's all gone. You know, we're in new territory and I love that about Kylo and I feel like Rey was intimidated a bit by that, but I think it really helped her to...
00:51:04
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to find herself as well, like find her own destiny into like, okay, I've had with Luke now. He's just not giving me what I need. He's not doing it. Yeah, he's not doing it. He's not doing it. Too much of graphic. I mean, they both got masters who are not doing it for them, which leads them, you know, to connect Yeah. In a really cool way. Yeah. Should we talk about that before we talk about the other? We've got to go and Canterby. We've got to talk about Leia on the Raditz and everything. But while we're on Kylo. While we're on Kylo.
00:51:32
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Stick with Kylo. Yeah. yeah i noted I don't know where I was going with that note, but I was looking at kind of like the Kylo and Anakin parallels that were happening throughout the whole thing. and And like that whole kind of feeling like they're not being treated right by yeah masters and feeling like they can do it better in a way. and But like, obviously they've come from such different places. Yeah. So I was thinking about that and then I didn't write anything down. No, no, that's really cool. Yeah, it is cool, yeah. Anakin has like this unimaginable amount of like innate force about him because of the way you... Well, we still don't really know how we came to be. you know His conception is mysterious.
00:52:16
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um Whereas Kylo doesn't seem to... He's got like... Feels like a bit of a watered-down level of force skills. It's sort of generationally quite a long way away from Anakin. But yeah, you're absolutely right, Sia.
00:52:27
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The way that Snoke... speaks down to him. Yeah. Though it's not the same, but it does have some stuff in common in the way Anakin used to speak down to, Obi-Wan used to speak down to Anakin. Yeah. And in fact, the whole Jedi order used to treat Anakin pretty badly. Yeah. I don't know. It is interesting because he obviously idolizes Vader, although he knows very little about him.
00:52:48
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And he's got this leader who, yeah, we we know we still don't really know much about Much about him, about him. He does have a great line though.
00:52:59
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He says spunk, which I don't think has ever been said in Star Wars before. Such spunk. Such spunk. Hello. Hello. well Andy Serkis. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely crushing it. Great. Absolutely brilliant. I was just like writing down line after line after line of his. Particularly in the scene where, yeah, when he's got Ray there.
00:53:22
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yeah I loved that scene so much. I don't know many people who don't actually, to be honest with the whole, the way that Snoke's speech is amazing. being delivered and you know once you've seen it the first time like the first time you you get totally caught out by it um yeah but the second time you watch it you realize the dual meaning of everything he's saying yeah yeah and now he takes his saber and cuts down his master and or or his true enemy snoke's throne room i can't remember when we first see it but it's huge and red and then like or half of it's huge and red
00:53:57
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And then the other half kind of looks more like what we've seen before in terms of Imperial ships. Yeah, grey, hard architecture. Grey and hard and Imperial and all that all that stuff. But my question was, is is that just aesthetics? What's going on? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's set up so that, the you know, the turbolift doors open. Yeah. and the first thing whoever coming to visit is going to see is this red, which is quite an alarming color. It is very alarming. And he's in gold as well. Yeah. And then the shots kind of as they're battling in there and there's like at some point there's fire. fire coming down from somewhere. don't really know where the fire came from. The Imperial Guards are cool. I think it's fabric, the red. I think it's the most glamorous fight of all of yeah the... It was glorious in its costume, its outfit, its movement. It was like this...
00:54:53
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um disco not disco as in lights, but like, do you know what mean? Not disco as in it, but like this kind of disco vibe of everyone in his incredible outfits, giving their best moves. And it just being like, us it was like utterly beautiful in this kind of, it was savage, but it was beautifully shot. The costumes are amazing. Like said, the lights and you just like, it's just like disco horn. We're off yeah with the big old fight.
00:55:18
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there was something really quite, literally, highly glamorous battle room it is a very glamorous battle it's really glamorous right and the whole thing was glamorous but I really rather loved that as well and they're quite there's there's some really brutal death that happens in there quite early on where yeah that's what happens that's one of the sliced things it's one of the imperial guards that's it kind of drops him in a vent and he slices him up you just see these little bits come out oh gross oh yeah yeah it's like shredded shredded praetorian girl Not so glamorous that bit, but you know. think the the red is fabric okay or like kind of some fibrous thing because at various points, I think it gets set on fire by lightsabers and or the weapons that the Praetorian guards use that have like the kind of sparks sort of across them. yeah And it catches fire and it gradually burns away.
00:56:11
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And it's sort of like we're losing Snoke's, like all of Snoke's majesty. mean, he's dead now. Like he's been just cutting off and all his majesty is just collapsing into black, which is like a blank canvas for Kylo to start with. That's kind of my interpretation. That's cool. I like that. It is cool. I like that too. There's also a...
00:56:30
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a massive colour scheme. I think their colour chart for the film, um and yeah think it was a little bit in Force Awakens as well, but even more so in this film is black, white and red. Yeah, absolutely. And obviously we go to Crate later on and the salt, underneath the salt is red. There's a big red, black, yeah, thing going on. So I think it was just like part of the film's aesthetic generally. was the red. It was the red. Yeah, absolutely. It was very... Very extra. very extra was I mean, Snoke has got a lot to like, we're learning gradually about how he came to be through the TV shows, especially the Mandoverse. You know, we're finding out a little bit about the the road that led to Snoke without giving away any spoilers. Yeah, don't do that. But yeah, so he's got a lot to kind of make up for in a way because he doesn't really come from anywhere. And he's got this like,
00:57:19
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He hasn't got the the long history of Sith apprentice master thing that Palpatine had been somebody's apprentice and then killed him and taken over. you know We've got that like the generational thing of the Sith. He doesn't have that. So he's got to be big.
00:57:34
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He's got to have like huge holograms. Every time we see his hologram, he's a giant. Even on the bridge at the beginning. he's like Massive face. just Yeah. So I think, yeah, that spectacle of the red and having guards that are in matching colors. Yeah, and all that. So visually awesome.
00:57:51
Speaker
I did write down, having watched them all so recently, it's quite a striking parallel with ah Luke and the Emperor. with ray and snoke going on and it's almost exactly the same thing of like i'm gonna make you watch your friends yeah gunned down yeah yeah yeah yeah they've got the little viewport thing yeah we're definitely cool and it goes in another it's pretty much the same way same the apprentice takes out the master yeah which i love yeah I wanted to talk about the the synchronicity of this point not the synchronicity the synchronization of this part of the story, but we need to go back and do to go back the other bits. Rewind. yeah Let's go just shoulder.
00:58:36
Speaker
yeah there's There's a little bit of stuff to talk about, i think, with Leia on the Raddus. And they' basically, they're they're they're fleeing. Yeah, i my question was, what what is the timeline, please? I think it's pretty much like, I think a lot of the film is...
00:58:52
Speaker
It's more than it... It's like we're seeing it sort of in real time, but obviously there's a bit of travel time. Yeah. But I think the whole feel of the film is it does take place across not a very long time. Yeah, not very long time. Yeah, sure. Poe and Finn and Rose, they have that conversation with Maz Kanata, which I want more Maz. I really want more Maz. Like Lupita. I love Maz. She's such an incredible voice actor. Her line... I've got to find the line.
00:59:19
Speaker
Sorry, kiddo, that is rarefied cracking. Yeah. What a line. What a line. Anybody who can just drop rarefied in. She's my favorite. She's so cool. So that the whole argument with her is that Canterbite is a little bit of a way away, yeah but they don't have a lot of choice, so they have to go. So it's going to be a little hyperspace jump and then a hyperspace jump back, and they were probably there for an hour causing absolute devastation. Causing Causing chaos. We'll come to. So yeah, there's a they're not running away for that long, I think. Just like however long they can fly before they've run out of fuel, I guess. yeah
00:59:55
Speaker
We've got that horrific destruction of the the bridge. yeah Well, first of all, we have Kylo blowing up the the docking bay where we lose all those fighter pilots. All the fighters in one go. One go, foul sweep. But then, yeah, like the... Him deciding not to and then one someone else doing it and one of his wingmen just like doing it and we lose Admiral Ackbar. Yeah, I know, with no ceremony either. No, nothing. yeah gone Just gone. Wipe him out. It's like, wow.
01:00:24
Speaker
Yeah, very totally devastating. um And nearly Leia. Again, another amazing force moment. and Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let's talk about that moment for a moment. Can we talk about the moment for a moment? we can talk about a moment for the moment. Please. Just again, that use of sound in that moment. yeah Brilliant. yeah But I also was like, okay, so she's she's been blown out away from that ship. She's there. And then we've got the whole hand, the forces come in. And I think at that point, we all know Leia never got trained as a Jedi, blah, blah, blah. But I thought she's literally sucked herself back out from the vast galaxy of space and managed to pull herself into that, which defies surely all known space
01:01:04
Speaker
physics and all the rest of it surely that makes her a Jedi like surely you've got to have like some massive ability to do that and i but I thought it wass beautiful as well I thought it beautifully done i i got on board with that but there was a moment where I was kind of going and we talking about the last Jedi like Yeah. You know, so like lay it like, is there, come on, she's just done that, right? That is pretty incredible stuff.
01:01:30
Speaker
So there was always like a little bit of me, yeah, that kind of thinking, are we discounting Leia's Jedi, Jedi-ness here, really? like i think so. mean, I think there is some story around that. And like, um she did train with Luke for a little while. I definitely read a book where she trained with Luke. She did, but apparently she never completed the training. So therefore she never officially was a Jedi, but I'm not so sure.
01:01:52
Speaker
yeah I mean, at this point, you know beyond the prequels, what even is a jet? like Yeah, exactly. Luke has kind of given himself the label. Yeah, that's true. It's very self-defining. And I think what Rey is going to do as we go forwards, you know there's going to be some movies with Rey coming out yeah and possibly Kylo, if the rumors are true. That's another story for another podcast. The rumors are true. um But yeah, there's there's like...
01:02:17
Speaker
The definition, what what even is it? She is very strong in the Force. yeah We know she can feel things. We've seen that multiple times in the sequel trilogy. We've seen her influence things from a distance. And yeah, that is a big moment.
01:02:32
Speaker
um i know there were lots of complaints about you know she went out into space and that's going to kill you and blah blah blah yeah she's not sure you're a jedi not if you've got jedi 100 and like star wars space is different from our space you can hear sound inside exactly right it defies all us and i think you know you also can't just open a massive hangar door and just plant your plate you know out in space there's a lot of things that we take as just but I did think there was a moment there where we really do need to sort of say actually is she full Jedi should we label her yeah when you said last Jedi I was like I there's a few of them love was like yeah probably some more you know Rey, Luke because there's like force users as well isn't there that aren't necessarily Jedi but they can
01:03:20
Speaker
There are lots of others out there. Yeah, definitely. And we know there are from the Expanded Universe. There are others out there. others Yeah, there are, yeah. We've got Broom Boy as well, which... Oh, yeah.
01:03:32
Speaker
um And obviously Grogu is out there somewhere. We don't know Grogu's destiny yet. Whether he's going to still be around, know, at this stage of the timeline, where time will tell. Don't take Grogu away from us. Don't take Grogu. But I was also like, Ray, sack off the brother.
01:03:47
Speaker
Go to the sister, because clearly, look at her. She's just alive. She's been getting shit done for this entire time. Exactly, getting shit done, right? You know, she can feel the force, she can use the force. yeah Yeah, i I particularly loved visually when she gets pulled in, or she pulls herself in, and she's going through the remains of the whatever-it-is room, um and she goes through a hologram, yeah and the hologram kind of breaks up as she goes through it. yeah Really, like, visually cool. Loved it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's call Leia the Jedi.
01:04:19
Speaker
Yeah. I'm on that. She's just great. So let's go to Canterby. Let's go off with Finn and Rose. I love Rose. hello She's another victim of the backlash, the ah actress who played her. She's such an amazing actor in this film. She's so good, that scene when she first discovers Finn trying to sneak off. yeah yeah Her flip from like being in awe to like, oh my gosh. I'm going to stun you now. Bye. no hesitation either i love that yeah she's like the purest of the pure she's very sweet the way that she just guides finn through this whole side quest yeah but i thought canter by was really fun and i like part of the fun aspect of the visual side of it and the massive like casino shot casino design is incredible now that shot is from a really old
01:05:12
Speaker
black and white film and I meant to check it out before I came on this podcast. but yeah' i remember I actually watched that clip in the original film some time ago. like not Only a couple of months ago they brought out as this brilliant without there no dollies at the time and they literally went through people at the table wasn't a casino but it was very similar and you could see that it was literally framed and done in this very very similar way and other films have done that but i actually thought that move um in the in last jedi was really really lovely and a little homage i think to that yeah incredible move from the sort of early film so i really enjoyed that moment nice oh i need to go and watch that i didn't i don't think i knew about that but I'll dig it out and send out which one it is. but I meant to do that before, but I got distracted by the rest of the film, to be quite honest. so lot Maybe we'll do a little side-by-side in our Instagram.
01:06:05
Speaker
Yeah, and and I really like the the kind of the story of war and the financing of war and of that, which is obviously very, like in these days that we are currently living, it's kind of...
01:06:17
Speaker
a big theme to be watching now in 2025 but the way Rose like opens Finn's eyes to it through yeah to the kind of micro level of the fathias and the trainer and the kids and all of that stuff but also what DJ brings the table with his story and his like absolute self you know interest and and And showing Finn that, hey, they're supplying the ah First Order, but they're also supplying resistance. i love that kind of peeling back the the kind of yeah the camouflage of war. I had a thought while I was watching it where I was like, come on, this is really obvious. It almost doesn't need to be said. And then I was like, oh, no, wait, that's just me. Yeah. And actually it does need to be said because a lot of people don't know and don't, and don't have. Yeah. So yeah, that was a bit of a learning moment for me as well.
01:07:11
Speaker
It's all about the credits baby. Yeah. Yeah. yeah All about the credits. I love
Character Complexity and Missions
01:07:16
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DJ. I thought he was a great guy. was so gutted when he, when he dubbed them in, but like totally made sense. You know, such a brilliantly drawn character. isn it It's business. It's just business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:28
Speaker
I love when he goes, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Great character. and But I did really love that bit where he gave Rose back that part of her necklace. I thought it was sort of, because you kind of go, he's a lovable rogue, getting it for the money. And then you get sort of like that little moment where he's giving it back to her and you're like, oh, that's nice. And then yeah actually, no, he's actually just completely like,
01:07:53
Speaker
uh self-interest uh and throws you know hundreds of people under the bus but all under the bus but again that little bit just took you on a journey of who is dj what is this character really about what's his real motives and that little spin of giving that necklace back was like yeah okay just before dropping minute like yeah so so good yeah i think the the slicing thing we've talked about is obviously like he is a slicer yeah And when he takes out his little slicing chips, when they've got to like send their clearance codes or whatever, and he's got like them all lined up a box and it looks like a little slicing thing, like literally for slicing. And then he puts it in the thing, which looks like a slicing thing. and And then they fly through the sliced bit of yeah the the supremacy's hull. It's all of this stuff about like finding your way through to get to wherever it is that you need through whatever means necessary, which is, it feels very much like what Phil... and Rose are doing. like They're on this impossible mission to infiltrate this like massive capital ship, which is so well defended and like they managed to get there. It's so devastating that get to the they get it disabling, the tracking thing and fail at the very last minute. So it's The bit where they're kind of going in, it's very Star Wars Rebels. like It really reminds me of loads of Star Wars Rebels episodes where like Chopper will get a disguise. He's the astromech in Rebels. And they're forever disguising him as like an Imperial droid when they're doing their little things. And BB-8 just gets like a kind of laundry basket on his head so that he looks like a and your First Order droid. It's so funny. It's brilliant. It's perfect, though. Hijinx, yeah. Yeah.
01:09:35
Speaker
and So ultimately we do get this synchronization of the stories, which I loved, where um Kylo and Rey are in the throne room having their fight over yeah the lightsaber at the last moment and they're pulling it apart at the same time as Holdo does the Holdo maneuver, which is going down in galactic history. sure um Shout out to Laura Dern. Yeah. I want her wardrobe and I want her hair, by the way. yeah ah But she when she and she's lined up to fly into the thing and Finn and Rose are are about to be executed by Phasma and all these things escalate at the same time. I love the kind of intercutting, which is a bit like Return the Jedi in that kind of three-way storyline thing going on.
01:10:21
Speaker
Amazing. we're where And then we thought that was the end of the film. Oh no. And we have this like There's a whole level bit whole see other other sequence. A whole other sequence, yeah. Are we going on to that whole other sequence? I think let's... Yeah, I think so. Unless we've got... I mean, there are so many things we could talk about. There's so many things. i think there's just the jump to light speed bit and the sound again. We've talked about the sound before, but the the sound of that happening is... Yeah, that was a crucial moment. Cinematography, like we get all these different angles of it happening. Mm-hmm.
01:10:54
Speaker
in the silence and when they're all realizing what's going to happen and they're like wait yeah poe figures it out and the rest of them are like oh my god yeah her acting in that sequence is really amazing um the the day obviously the sound design they were like we've got to make it better than the seismic charges because that's like because that was great because that was great that's our like threshold the benchmark now that's the apex of sound design to this moment I have one qualm with the sound design of this film.
01:11:26
Speaker
Yeah. There's no Wilhelm scream. and I didn't think so either. I i was i was listening out for that not when I was watching it. I didn't spot one, but I thought I'm not an expert again on that field. I heard a couple of things that were nearly it and I listened again and went, nope, that's not it. And then I eventually gave in and Googled it and the sound designer said, nope, it's not there.
01:11:47
Speaker
Wow. Which... I tell you what, though, this is Ryan again because he's like, throw it away. not doing it. Throw away the past. Forget it all. Yeah. Yeah, sure. He's doing Kylo. He literally is. Yeah, he is. Forget the game. And also, Luke, this is not going to go the way you think it is. Like, Luke's line there is a big part of this whole thing.
01:12:08
Speaker
Yeah, fair play. I meant to get an an audio clip of the Wilhelm scream. I'll have it for next time. You can get it for next time because I'm pretty sure it comes back. It's going to be constantly throughout this podcast, folks. pretty sure it is.
Origins and Trivia Game
01:12:23
Speaker
so crate. We have that open air shot Leia in the entranceway with her kind of collar up. Yeah. Which is stylistic and gorgeous. Gorgeous, gorgeous. And but again, we've talked about the red earlier on. and um i I remember the posters were all black, white and red. Like that was the the kind of promotional stuff was all that colour. And this planet, I love a new planet. Oh, it's just gorgeous. The whole, the design of the planet is gorgeous.
01:12:48
Speaker
And the little critters. the still cri Crystal critters. Crystal critters. Crystal critters. Great. um They have a real name. what are this What's their real name? I've forgotten. It was in our quiz. I don't know if you know this, Rebecca, but Sia and I do a like a daily Star Wars quiz. I do not know about this. No, is this? It's like a a WhatsApp thing that we've been doing. It's what gave birth to this podcast, basically. don't think we've actually said this on the podcast either. I'm not sure. Yeah. Apologies if you have heard this before. No, I haven't. I want to hear it, let alone the other listeners. and So fire away. What happens here?
01:13:22
Speaker
Sia's mum. Was it from your, you tell it. So I'll tell the story. My mum found a trivia game in a charity shop and me and my mum tried to play it.
01:13:35
Speaker
And well, she was rubbish. I was okay. and And I went, well, this isn't going to work as a game like this. But what i can do is I can take all of the question cards and I can just read one to Branwen a day and keep track of her score. Yeah. So we did that for 220 days because I had 220 cards.
01:13:58
Speaker
i love Which it was like, that took us that took us from October to May. Yeah. and And you kept all the statistics. And I kept it it all of the statistics. I made a PowerPoint presentation. me how I'd done. And how had you done Very well. Pretty well, yeah. Well done. Yeah, it was like 72%. God, that's amazing. It was the six films, wasn't Yeah, it was the six films. It was like the original and the prequels, yeah.
01:14:24
Speaker
I love that. But then when that ran out, I was frankly devastated because I absolutely loved getting in the voice notes. There it is. So I bought that book for Sia. There is. This was my birthday present. Brilliant. So you could ask her more questions. now we're still continuing. And this book has everything up to... has got all of it. Yeah. It's got all of it apart from... It's got as far as... It doesn't have a Sokka. And it hasn't got Sokka or Skeleton Crew or... Yeah. And or season two. So... Yeah.
01:14:54
Speaker
and But it's got everything else. So there's stuff that I've... This is why I'm trying to watch Resistance because I don't know... Yeah, because it means you get asked questions on it. Every time there was a Resistance question, i'm like, oh gosh, I've only watched half of it. And even that, only watched once.
01:15:07
Speaker
So yeah, we're playing this game. I'm behind, actually, so I do need to my... do need catch up for that. I've not been very well. But... The reason this came up is because there was a question... There was a question it....some time ago, which was, what was the name of the critters? And I can't remember what they were. I didn't get it at the time. No, you didn't. So... It'll be in that book somewhere. I need to figure that out.
01:15:27
Speaker
So we've got these lovely critters that eventually show them the way. I love that 3PO can't find way and R2 can't find a way, but they figure out by following the critters. And I love that it all comes down to lifting rocks. It's the biggest Jedi trope of all time. Classic. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I just want to dive back to the beginning of this scene, if that's all right, just for a minute. Of Crate, generally. Yeah. Do it. That moment where we go into the trench. So the cinematography entirely changes where there's this one handheld moment running in. to the trench to obviously reflect more of that kind of wartime in the trenches. And we just break away from this convention of the, and we talk about cinematography in this film. It's actually really hard to pull apart, not pull apart in a bad way, but all the good stuff, because it was so good across the board. And then we just kind of end up in this sort of camera hell running into the trenches to bring us all into that, that moment. But it really broke out of, of the other shots before then landed us back into familiarity and then to kind of reveal in the trenches gareth edwards yeah the director of rogue one is there ready to go you know has that little cameo moment isn't it it's like because he he was like you know he bargained his way he's like i need to be in a film i need to be in a rebel you know and Didn't Ryan bargain his way into Rogue One?
01:16:58
Speaker
I think so. I think so. When the Death Star fires at Jeddah, I think it is, and you see the Death Star tech team, the maintenance crew, and they're in where the laser comes out. I think he's one of those. I think so as well. I'm pretty sure as well. But it was just to kind of, we'd broken out cinematography, we'd kind of land in the trenches, we had Gareth Edwards, and then we're like, right, now we're back. And it was like, you know, it was that kind of, and here we are, ready to go. But it was just a great little opening to that final piece. And I think by that point, I had realised this was pretty much the final part of the film. I was like, right, it can't be going on much longer now. We are here now.
01:17:44
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, but a great ending, I thought. I did like the Luke and Leia bit, you know. i I did love that, you know. Changed your hair. Great. And I noticed this is a callback to one of our, I think it was our Empire Strikes Back episode. yeah When he takes his hand away and reveals that she's got Hans Dice in his hand.
01:18:06
Speaker
we hear ah that love theme again. You know, we were talking about Empire Strikes Back that I'd always assumed was the Han and Leia love theme, love theme um which I can't, it's not in my head again. Not in head right now. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. And we speculated back then that maybe it was the theme of the trio.
01:18:23
Speaker
And I think that's what it is because at that moment we have a reference to Han Luke's just giving her the dice from the Falcon. Okay. unpopular opinion i don't like the dice don't you no yeah i'm not sure i'm gonna be honest i sit on the fence with it i'm not sure on them that's the only thing i don't like retroactively putting things in that weren't there they are there when are they they're in a new hope are they yeah they're never hanging up in the falcon And if you watch Solo, they show you them a bit better. They show you them better.
01:18:58
Speaker
Okay. But they are there in A New Hope. They're just dangling. It's this classic thing of like the Millennium Falcon is supposed to be a hot rod and like boy racers hang like fluffy dice.
Significance of Dice and Projection
01:19:09
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their fluffy dice up, yeah. From the rear view mirror. And that I'm sure that was just like a prop gag in a New Hope when they made It was just like, let's have these little dice, which have now become part of... Become the thing. Yeah, it's... That makes me feel a bit better about it.
01:19:23
Speaker
Yeah. Because I remember it from Solo, but actually, can't believe I didn't know, well, maybe I noticed it, but not remembered it from new home. It's very blink and you miss it. It's not, it's right at the top the frame. Okay. It's hardly visible, but they are there. They twinkle as they move around. I feel better about it. I think it's when we first, pretty much the first shot in the cockpit, I think. Okay. Yeah, that makes me feel a lot better. But it's again, putting that much weight onto something that hasn't, it didn't feel like it had been given weight before. Yeah. And that's what made me go, I'm not sure.
01:19:54
Speaker
I did love the little C-3PO moment and Luke. It was just simple when he just went, we Master Luke. Master Luke. and a little And it was just like that. ah i I love that little. And that's what it needs to be. Master Luke and a little wing. And it was just i just, I just love that. Like about that.
01:20:14
Speaker
Because obviously since I've rewatched it multiple times, I'm looking for clues, you know, because obviously there are lots of clues sewn in if you're observant. um Like we see him moving his foot across the salt and it doesn't make any impact. And I feel that Leia knew...
01:20:31
Speaker
when he passed the dice, there is a moment where Leia looks a little bit like she figures it out kind of thing. And maybe with her force sensitivity, as we've been talking about earlier. And I think 3PO knows as well that he's not really there, that he's projecting. And I can't remember if it's like, is R2 there?
01:20:49
Speaker
But somehow there's like a scanning sensor thing goes on, unspoken. This is me purely speculating. And so 3PO, if you frame it like that, 3PO saying master Luke he's almost asking a question as if like are you really here and he gives him a wink to say I'm not no I'm not oh yeah that makes a lot of sense actually to be fair I just thought it was a lovely little moment but it is a beautiful moment I may be like projecting no no that does make a lot of sense does make sense it does make sense you know he has he's seeded us loads of clues that Luke isn't really there because obviously the first time you see you don't know think he's Luke is actually there
01:21:29
Speaker
And only when, you know, Kylo puts his lightsaber through him, thinks, oh, hang on a minute, something's going on here. And then we cut away and see see what he's doing. Do you think you've got him? Luke's little brush off the shoulder. Yeah, that...
01:21:45
Speaker
That little moment is just perfect. So funny. yeah So funny. Luke being an absolute sass machine. um I think we like on rewatches, like look for more clues. There's so many there, I think. I saw quite a few more clues this time. Yeah.
01:21:59
Speaker
yeah And in that scene a little earlier on, though, there is the the line, one of my favorite lines. Look, i'm ah I'm a massive romantic. I am a love bummer for life, right? But when Rose saves Finn and her line, not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.
01:22:18
Speaker
Oh, so good. I just thought was great. I was like, it's means meant so much on so many levels. um And it was just like, we're not fighting what we hate, we're saving what we love. And I just thought, yeah.
01:22:31
Speaker
That works. That's the philosophy. That works. 100%. This is why we love Star Wars. This is why we love Star Wars. I'm sorry, I've realised we totally forgot to ask you what your favourite line was at the beginning of the show. We got too excited. Do you want me pretend that you've just done it? Rebecca! No, no, it's fine. What is your favourite line in The Last Jedi?
01:23:00
Speaker
No one's doing a Sia where I'm looking through my notes and randomly deciding which one's actually going to be because it it may have been that what I've just said. i don't know because it's just beautiful. And I, you know, like I say, there's, but there's loads of other.
01:23:14
Speaker
We've put you on the spot now. yeah but I think it is that line. Sorry. know I've just dropped it. We can save it. like Do you want it as a fresh line? No, no, no, it's fine. We'll keep it keep it as is. Okay. Showing us how inept I am as a podcast. Not at all. No, we went we went for a different question, which is also one that we haven't asked guests before. Yeah. That's what happened.
01:23:37
Speaker
I loved it. We're getting used to having guests. I love it. I love it. I did have a note about the last shot we get of Luke. Me too. I've got something to say about this as well. Yeah, I thought you probably wouldn't. You go for though because might be saying what was going to say. Well, I just wrote down that it was just such a beautiful shot.
01:24:00
Speaker
It's such beautiful framing and the colours and all of it just look lush. I've got some film-maker-y, geek-y do it stuff. you so Lay it on me. I want all of it. In A New Hope, we see Luke in the binary sunset, which is like probably the most epic shot of that film. yeah And we get that amazing music cue and there's the two sons. yeah In that film, Luke is on the right. It's like he's entered from, i'm sorry, he's on the left of the screen. So he's entered from stage right, which is traditionally where the goody appears from.
01:24:34
Speaker
you know If you watch old westerns, like the hero comes from left. Because we read from left to right, our brains like stuff that goes from left to right. And so he's on left. ah Now he's at the end of his story and it's framed the opposite way and he's like going to exit stage left.
01:24:49
Speaker
and well It's all framed in in the mirror version of Binary Sunset. Oh, wow. I love that. I did not notice that. No, that was great. That was great, Bramman. I love that. Gorgeous. I've watched it too many times. ah My very last note for this film... I just want to tell you what my last note was. We get that shot where it's the last kind of force connection shot, isn't it? Where Kylo's seeing Rey again. yeah and i just And she shuts the door of the Falcon on him. yeah
01:25:25
Speaker
um I wanted her to flip him off. I just was like, please just flip him off. I mean, I think she all did. I think it was there in her face, I think.
01:25:40
Speaker
I want to call her out. We mentioned this at the beginning. we did. Her whoop of joy. yeah i like this. Yeah, no, absolutely not. As she's killing soldiers with yeah no the gun. Put it in the bin. We don't like it. yeah Yeah. Ray, you need to... Do better. Yeah.
01:25:59
Speaker
Canceling Ray. Well, now she's got her eight books in the drawer. Well, I was going to say, here, that's one of my last notes. Not my fully last note, but Jedi text in small space in drawer as only a few books. They're not page turners. It's a minimal thing. Not page chairs, not needed. They're not very good books and there's not many of them. Buy the woolen knits when it gets dark and cold and everyone's a bit lonely. yeah i love how this is just setting us up for like, we don't know what's coming.
01:26:32
Speaker
Like Rey's knowledge is going to be based on these ancient books that are long forgotten. Luke has been hoarding them. Yoda thought he'd blown them up with his lightning zap, which is hilarious. And so it's like everything's up for grabs, which I think is an exciting moment for Star Wars. Left it so open. Yeah, it really has.
01:26:51
Speaker
So fair play to Ryan for giving us that like almost like a blank canvas. Absolutely. Sure. Can't wait to see what happens. Anything else? Anybody got anything else before we wrap this up? We've done a lot. We've done well. We've done a lot. That was pretty good.
01:27:05
Speaker
I loved this film. I really liked it. I loved it. I was surprised when I rewatched it. I've seen it probably six times or so. But this time around, I was obviously watching it very analytically to make notes and so on.
Rian Johnson's Direction
01:27:20
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Sure.
01:27:20
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um But it just reminded me of how much I loved it the first time, how different it felt, how much Ryan Johnson brought to Star Wars. I really wish he would do more. I know he was slated to do more and they've kind of dropped him off the radar again a bit. um I'd love it if he comes back and does more. He's obviously become ah a well-known director and for the Knives Out series. you know i mean, I'm a well-known director. He's already a well-known director, but like that's become his sort of flagship thing. that's his But he's really become so much more in the zeitgeist since he did this film. so um It would be really interesting to see what he brought.
01:27:56
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Now, I'd love it if he got involved in some of the sort of onward storytelling based on what we've just been talking about, rather than the retrospective stuff. You know, there's a load of Star Wars stuff that's coming out from all different time periods of Star Wars, but um I'd like him to be involved in the future of it somehow.
01:28:12
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Maybe we'll see that. Maybe we won't. Rebecca, thank you so much for joining Thank what ah What a treat. So thank you so much. So good. Yeah, really enjoyed it. And you your insights are joyous. So thank you. is why we're here. We're figuring out together. I love it. I would love it if you come back sometime. We're we' carrying Come back and see us again. I'd be delighted. All of the TV shows and stuff we're going to at. We're doing some rando episodes about um particular aspects of the Star Wars galaxy. So if you've got any bigger themes you'd like to talk about, let us know. And and we like a bit of inspiration from our amazing guests. so Love to. love Love to be back. Thank you so much for inviting
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
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me. And there is one line left that actually I forgot to mention, which I thought was great, was, let's go Chrome Dome.
01:29:02
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01:29:32
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01:29:45
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to break down the Rise of Skywalker. However will we cope? I know. my goodness. I think there's a lot to talk about with the Rise of Skywalker. As long as we don't do what we did last week. Which we've almost done this week, so we're doing well. Yeah, until then, it's bye from us. See you soon.
01:30:03
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Bye. Bye.