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Delving into SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY | 010
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Join Branwen and Seah as they deep dive into all things Star Wars! This first season, we were on a rewatch of the OG Trilogy, Prequels, and Sequels, and we thought we'd throw in a cheeky bonus spin-off, aka Solo: A Star Wars Story, as a little Christmas gift to you, our lovely listeners! Follow along as we fly off exploring all the wonders and geekery of a Galaxy Far, Far Away, chatting nostalgia, worlds, lore, music, story, behind the scenes, and much more.
In this episode we talk about some of the criminal underworld connections, discover a great need for Lando's audiovisual autobiography, try not to go down too many Easter Egg rabbit holes (emphasis on the "try"), and generally get a little bit loopy!
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Transcript
Favorite Solo Movie Lines
00:00:16
Speaker
Hi, Bramwen. Hi. What is your favourite line from Solo? You'll never have a deeper sleep than curled up in a Wookiee's lap.
00:00:27
Speaker
Which i'm going to save you my impression of Rio for that.
00:00:32
Speaker
That was good. Sia, what's your favourite line from Solo? i Basically, any time Donald Glover opens his mouth, but I know i think I'm going to go with, The Calrissian Chronicles, Chapter 5, Continued.
00:00:49
Speaker
I've got a lot to say about that later. Excellent. But also, absolutely, like all the other quotes that I wrote down, ahd Donald Glover. Yeah. I also had spectacular way of killing us all.
00:01:03
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure we'll be bouncing through many of those as we go along. Nice.
Introduction to Star Wars Podcast and Bonus Episode
00:01:09
Speaker
You're listening to Sisters of the Force, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Bramwen. I'm Sia. And this week you're getting a bonus episode because finished season one. my goodness. And so we thought we couldn't leave it there. So we had to come on and do another one. So we're doing a bonus episode for you, which is delving into Solo, a Star Wars story.
00:01:32
Speaker
Which was new for you, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. So I had never seen this before until ah half past seven this morning when I started.
First Impressions and Structure of Solo
00:01:44
Speaker
I'm so excited to hear what your impressions of it are. Yeah. It's super cool. I haven't watched it lots. I've probably seen it about six times maybe. Okay. That's a lot in my book. Yeah. was is It is in most normal people's books.
00:01:58
Speaker
lives but um I did watch it fairly recently and then I watched it again on Saturday so why yeah it's quite in my mind it's there at the forefront yeah what was it like for watching it for the first time you know what I had a lovely morning and I watched the whole thing all the way through which i like to do on a first watch of things and yeah more recently in our episodes I've been having a little break yeah but didn't
00:02:27
Speaker
But I didn't have a break today. I watched it all the way through. And that meant that I just, I was like still, which is for someone as twitchy as me is not, not normal. But I loved it, actually. I was, I was a little bit like, it thawed me because to start with, I was like, all right, let's see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I you mean. See whether you can bring me around on this. But they brought me around very fast, actually. Yeah, yeah. I was straight in there and then just enjoyed it. So consequently, I have very few notes because I was just like, was just enjoying myself. I like it. That's so cool. I'm so glad to hear that.
00:03:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's a great... I'm actually surprised that you did it in one because it does have a little bit of an unusual structure, I feel, overall. Like, it kind of ends and then we've got a kind of a long extra bit... When I say ends, the story doesn't end. The story ends where the film ends. The adventure ends, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but like...
00:03:26
Speaker
There's kind of an end, like it feels like the end when they reach the place where they're going to sort out the coaxium. And that we've kind of had the big dramatic escape through the yeah the maelstrom. yeah yeah And it feels like the end. But then there's this whole extra sequence, yeah which is very low key. You know, we've just got the the cloud riders turn up and it's a lot of one-on-one stuff. There's no like big fight with lots of soldiers or ships or anything like that. It's...
00:03:54
Speaker
It's quite kind of an intimate ending. Yeah. One of my notes was, oh, we've got a lot of heist movie tropes here I'm enjoying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm enjoying the tropiness of it. yeah yeah But I really enjoyed that. But then kind of sequencing wise, I suppose it's like filmmaking in 2018 versus filmmaking in the 70s 80s 90s where we do have longer films now and like yeah before that would have been the point where it ended because that was yeah absolutely the pacing yeah there's like a kind of much more playing with structure than than we used to have like for a long time hollywood films had a very formulaic structure yeah yeah for like certainly for blockbusters which you would consider this to be a blockbuster oh that's its intention anyway yeah but yeah they've kind of really played with that and uh
00:04:46
Speaker
I like it. Yeah, it was like it. It took me a bit of getting used to, I think, after the first watch. I was a bit sort of discombobulated by that unusual structure.
Easter Eggs and Directorial Changes
00:04:54
Speaker
Yeah. One thing that I'm going to say before we go any further yes is very early on, I realized that there are so, so, so many Easter eggs in this film. and As somebody who loves digging for Easter eggs, as you may know if you listen to the podcast regularly, I'm going to try and limit myself and not go down every single rabbit hole. This is going to be really interesting because I um potentially in blissful ignorance of a lot of Easter eggs. I bet a lot of them you'd be like, oh yeah. Oh yeah, that makes sense. I guess the more I watch it, the more I notice them. yeah
00:05:33
Speaker
Whereas it was my first watching. Yeah. It's just a fly over my head. yeah I feel like it is one of those films. i feel like there's an awful lot of like the the kind of writers giving the wink, you know? Okay. Of like, sure oh yeah, this, if you really know your Star Wars, let's see how much you really know your Star Wars. There's definitely some of that going on. Yeah, so it's just going be like, whew, for me. Yeah.
00:05:57
Speaker
I sit there going, well, that's nice. Yeah, especially as it was written by Lawrence Kasdan, who has a long history with Star Wars. Okay. He was there at the dawn, pretty much. There at the dawn? Yeah, or very early on anyway. um And he co-wrote this with his son. so Okay. They've obviously put loads in. Yeah, yeah.
00:06:16
Speaker
There was a little bit of controversy with the directing situation. The original directors, they shot lots of it and they were very much encouraging of improvisation. Okay. And the cast obviously went along with that. Just went for it. Yeah, yeah. They shot and shot and shot. And once they started putting it together, I think Disney and, well, Lucasfilm more specifically, I think, yeah felt that it wasn't representative of what the film was supposed to be. Oh, interesting. It was like pastiching itself, I i think. That's kind of rumor anyway, which is not what they needed at that time. So they got fired. Kathleen Kennedy fired them. Oh, wow. And brought in Ron Howard, who...
00:06:59
Speaker
hasn't ever done any Star Wars before, but he's an old, old Star Wars affiliate. You know, he's friends with George Lucas. yeah He directed Willow, you know, in the 80s. And he was in American Graffiti, I believe, which was one of Lucas's early films. yeah so he's been alongside Lucas all his life. He's been around for a while. Yeah. I did think I recognised the name when it came up on the screen. Yeah, you'd know. He used to be in Happy Days. Have you seen Happy Days with the Fonz? No. Oh, wow. It was like 17s sitcom set in the 50s. Okay. I've heard it referenced in sitcoms. Yeah, absolutely. It's like a historical thing. i used to watch it on a Saturday morning kind of thing. And he played one of the teenagers in it. So in my head, Ron Howard is like 18. He's No.
00:07:42
Speaker
he's Not anybody. His daughter, we'll be coming across Bryce Dallas, who is an actress. She's been in some of the new Jurassic films. Okay. But she's also a director and she directs, on average, one episode of Mandalorian each season. Okay.
00:07:59
Speaker
And you know I've gone on about many times. My favourite ever thing of Star Wars ever, ever is that episode of The Book of Boba Fett. Yeah. That's her directing. Okay, nice. All right. So me and the Howards, I'm definitely down with the Howards. Excellent. 100%.
00:08:13
Speaker
it Yeah. So this's this this whole film has got this kind of slightly interesting history about how it came together and how it got to be what it is. So maybe some of that is why, A, there's loads of Easter eggs and B, it's got slightly unusual structure to it. Yeah.
00:08:28
Speaker
I was trying to work out why it passed me by, but it came out in 2018. So I would have been like midway round somewhere traveling. Yeah. Not it so easy to just nip into a cinema. like In some places I managed it, but yeah very often not. i kind didn't go to the I went to the cinema once in a year. And being as a standalone, like it technically doesn't connect to anything else. I mean, it does, but it's not essential viewing for anything else. so No. It's an easy one to pass by.
Corellian Setting and Star Wars Timeline
00:09:00
Speaker
and To miss by. yeah
00:09:02
Speaker
but I'm glad we finally got you into the solo world. So my first three notes, ah my first note is, okay, it's half past seven. My second note is Mean Streets, lol. Which I think is, ah oh, that comes up right at the beginning when they're doing like yeah yeahre doing the classic Star Wars, but not the classic rolling credits. Exactly. wrote down cruel, but not So it's like, it's a static crawl, which I quite like. Static crawl, yeah, it was nice. it's Because I think Rogue One, which is the only other like standalone yeah Star Wars story type film, has nothing at the beginning, I don't think. Okay. I may be wrong.
00:09:46
Speaker
I feel like it just goes straight in. Just goes straight into Everyone jumped because, like, you know, scene one. There's normally a crawl. We're No tiles or anything. Yeah. Whereas this has that, yeah, just to give us context of where we are in the timeline, which I like. Which is quite nice. Yeah. My note after that was, is that the Game of Thrones lady? And yes, is the answer to that. She's also a Marvel lady now as well. She's in is she Secret Wars, which she's great in. I love her. I think she's amazing. Yeah, she is cool. Very early on, we get one of our things which we're tracking. Which is an establishing shot of the Star Destroyer over Coralette City.
00:10:30
Speaker
And there's a little creature, which I had to Google. It runs across little cable. What is the creature? It's a Corellian monkey lizard. And we've talked about Kawakian monkey lizards before, which is Salacious Krum, your favorite character from Return of the Jedi.
00:10:45
Speaker
Still terrified. Yeah. Well, apparently Corellia monkey lizards are related to them, but obviously ok from Corellia rather than wherever Coakia monkey lizards come from. Yeah, I loved spotting that. like I saw that with new eyes since we've been tracking it. I've been like, yes, it's a creature in an establishing shot. Yeah.
00:11:04
Speaker
We also get the dice really early on, which we were talking about. Yeah. Yeah, after Remorse of the Last Jedi, you were talking about the dice. You are right. You did say when we recorded that episode, you said that you'll get to see more and you'll get to understand it. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. They're like a little i do a little token of Han. I mean, it's very complicated because they're like his and Kira's thing. Yeah. and then like And then to give them to Leia. Yeah.
00:11:31
Speaker
Hang on a second. Maybe we'll talk about the whole Leia slash Kira thing later on. Yeah, yeah. Fair.
00:11:40
Speaker
Proxima. We've got Proxima. I had to look up that her kind of hench person, her hench alien that's pushing Solo around a lot and ends up chasing him on a speeder yeah is the creature with the big mask thing and it's got like the hood up and everything. They don't like the sunlight, do they? No. hadn't realised that he is the same race as Proxima herself. Okay. Obviously, she is more shrim worm-like. Yeah, she's got like...
00:12:07
Speaker
ja The kind of multiple legs and yeah. yeah Whereas he's more not humanoid exactly, but yeah. No, but more. Walks on two legs and yeah yeah two arms kind of thing. Because they're like, I love the whole outfit. And as soon as like they're exposed to the sun, they're like, they burn kind of vampire-y. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But they had some great masks to sort that problem out.
00:12:29
Speaker
Yeah, they're called Grindelids, apparently, which grindolidds sounds very 50s sci-fi to me. um Yeah. Which I love. And yeah, i I hadn't twigged about the him being protected from the sun. Like, of course, that's why he's wearing all that stuff. But I guess we see aliens wearing different combinations or nothing, you know, like we see all different things. But yeah. I did have a question, which is where in the timeline are we?
00:12:56
Speaker
We are, before Rebels, I think we're about eight years out from A New Hope. It was quite a long time before A New Hope. yeah Maybe not quite that much, but I think it coincides with Kenobi. You know when Leia runs away yeah gets kidnapped and stuff? I think it's that period.
00:13:16
Speaker
It's kind of about then. Yeah. That brings up questions about that age gap, but cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's quite bit older than Leia, that's for sure. But I guess as they're getting older... Doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, the proportional gets smaller. Gap doesn't any difference, yeah. I guess, yeah. By the time they get together, Leia's probably in her early 20s and he's like...
00:13:36
Speaker
30U something they do. It's a little bit weird, but it's going too far, far away. ah I also had a note about when they're trying to get through the
Imperial March and Kira’s Connections
00:13:50
Speaker
spaceport thing. Like the customs, the of The customs port, yeah, yeah, when they're trying to get off Corellia.
00:13:55
Speaker
There's an advert for signing up to to join the Empire. And is that diegetic... Imperial March. 100% in major key. Oh my God. What? And it was almost my favourite musical cue in the whole film.
00:14:14
Speaker
And it's not the first time either. Is it not? As when we watch Rebels. It's definitely in an episode of Rebels called Empire Day. Love that.
00:14:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's become the people in the Star Wars galaxy, they now know John Williams. they Incredible. John Williams is canon in the Star wars universe.
00:14:36
Speaker
I guess we should also talk about the composer issue. we I think we briefly mentioned it last week, or maybe that was not when we were recording, but John Powell is credited as the composer. yeah I think he's part of Hans Zimmer's collective right okay and has done, like he did the Bourne franchise. yeah um I think he's done something on Wicked, but I'm not sure what because Stephen Schwartz wrote Wicked. So I guess there's like score in the background of Wicked that isn't a song.
00:15:04
Speaker
Yeah. um So he's been around a lot, um but they did get and John Williams to write a theme, one or two themes. I had a feeling it was two themes, but then I read this morning that it was only one theme. Okay. But like Han Solo's main theme is John Williams.
00:15:19
Speaker
And John Williams just kind of handed it to John Powell and said... go forth and yes do what you like carry on but then he's clearly brought in other themes like that bit yeah um and then later on we hear all sorts of the classic original trilogy stuff yeah but that often happens in all star wars content yeah you're only ever like 30 seconds away from a john williams queue which is fair enough really thats it is yeah makes sense I love how before they get there, they're they're doing the chase through Corellia. And I love how Kieran knows the model of speeder that he's stolen. Yeah. She like name checks it as like an M68 or whatever it is. And yeah he's like, yeah. Yeah. And they're just excited together about ah stuff. I can see why Han and she get on so well. Yeah. Really fun.
00:16:08
Speaker
that yeah Also in that speed chase, like speedy chase, the camera work is ridiculous. is cool. It looks so, yeah, so vivid. So vivid. And gritty and like organic. We were talking about this last time, I think, on The Rise of Skywalker. Yeah.
00:16:24
Speaker
They're just masters of making it feel real when so much of it isn't. I mean, I guess. I don't know how they do it. Is there a fake Wilhelm as well? Did you know there's any Wilhelms? I wasn't sure if it was a, it might be one of the other takes, the other Wilhelm takes, but there were there is something that sounds a little bit like it, and yeah but it wasn't a full Wilhelm.
00:16:50
Speaker
Full Wilhelm take five, I think, is the one we we know and love. Okay, okay.
00:16:57
Speaker
It's take four or five. I know that. By the end of this podcast, we're going to know everything there is know about Wilhelm. Yeah, yeah i think it was just a random like passerby or stormtrooper on the chase. I think it almost sounded to me like someone imitating a Wilhelm rather than an actual Wilhelm.
00:17:15
Speaker
Yeah, I think you're right. I don't know. that's Because then i once I heard it, I was then listening out for a full one and I never heard a full one. yeah And I didn't Google it either, which is not like me. I normally Google it.
00:17:26
Speaker
just to double check Fact check my Wilhelms. Fact check my Wilhelms, yeah. but
00:17:34
Speaker
Needs to be done. i also love Kira talking about, um she mentions Crimson Dawn and the Hutt cartel early on. I think it's when they are queuing up yeah um to get through the checkpoint. And it sort of establishes that world, yeah which is great foreshadowing to where she's going to end up. But this is also like this kind of the first time we're delving more into that world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. which is I mean, I think it has been in the it will have been in the animated yeah shows by then, certainly Clone Wars. yeah And I think Rebels are mostly run by this point. yeah
00:18:07
Speaker
And there's definitely the underworld. But it's the first time we've yeah delved into the underworld properly on the big screen. Because even in the original trilogy, you could hear like little bits about it, but you're never... Yeah, but nothing of any many import. Yeah. I mean, we see Jabba.
00:18:23
Speaker
And certainly in the prequels, it's very much passing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing really that that deep in it. So yeah, it's exciting. i think Lucas, one of the last things Lucas did before he sold to Disney was to start developing live action Wars TV show, ok which was going to be called Star Wars Underworld yeah and would have been all of this kind of stuff. Okay, cool. I think it i think they are drawing from it. Yeah.
00:18:52
Speaker
Because obviously there were, I think there were scripts and yeah there were early, you know, experiments with filming. I think it might have been when they were starting to develop what has become the volume, which is where they project the backgrounds. Oh, yeah, yeah. yeah in Like a closed studio. I think we've talked about about how they shoot The Mandalorian. So it's like brilliant in terms of shooting budget. Yeah.
00:19:13
Speaker
But they hadn't got there yet by that point. This is a long time before all of that. yeah so But yeah, it's exciting to be, I mean, we couldn't have a film without Han and not go down the underworld route. That's his place. that's where he's That's what he's been doing. Although it's interesting, it's kind of more her thing than his thing in a way. She's kind of fully in for whatever reason, yeah whereas he kind of uses it to his advantage where he can. but And then off. Yeah, and off he goes. Do we know much about Keira or not really?
00:19:44
Speaker
I don't think we did at this point. And I don't know that there's an awful lot since. um I'm dying for more Keira. I want more. I feel like we're going to learn more about her in the Maul show that we're going get next year. Ah, of course. Is it Maul's Shadow Lord? I think so, something like that. And it's all about Maul and his connections with the underworld because he becomes an underworld impresario as we see by the end of this. Yeah. I did have that in my notes. It was literally just mall with a question mark and an exclamation mark.
00:20:18
Speaker
In caps. Yeah. I just wrote plot twist down at that point. I remember for the first time watching it, I probably screamed out loud in the cinema. i We definitely talked about this in our Phantom Menace episode, but I don't remember him speaking. So like yeah when it was just his voice, I was like, well, I don't know who that is. And then like, because to me, he doesn't speak. He's silent. And I know he's not silent. And we've we've been through this, but he's still silent in my head. Yeah, yeah. And possibly contributing to that, I don't think it's the voice. same voice, yeah. I'm always going to get this confused. It's still the same actor. Yeah.
00:20:59
Speaker
It's it'ss the first time that we've seen him play more in live action since The Phantom Menace. Right. Like the same actor. Is it Ray Park? Who plays him. Yeah. And I think it's him again. Yeah.
00:21:12
Speaker
But I feel like it's voiced by the voice actor who does more, which I think is Sam Witwer in Clone Wars and Rebels. Okay. And he's done loads and loads of more. Oh, wow. So for somebody who's watched those shows, yeah like we've heard more speak a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think it's his voice. I think they've they've gone with him doing the voice. Right. I think.
00:21:35
Speaker
Like ADRing it. i'm not sure. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, we're straight in with this underworld stuff yeah right from the beginning.
Trench Warfare and Beckett’s Crew
00:21:42
Speaker
Well, cued into it anyway, because then we immediately jump to Minban, which I've written down is brutal. And the whole like trench warfare. Yeah, so brutal. Mud trooper armor. What are they doing? It's just horrific. They're just training. They're just training at that point. Yeah.
00:22:00
Speaker
The background Han originally in Legends before you know the Disney buyout is still pretty much the same is that Han went to Corrida which is where the Imperial Academy was or at least where there was a big part of the Imperial Academy and he got chucked he got checked out yeah and in this he got just sort of side chucked into the you know to be a soldier yeah to be a mud trooper whereas in legends he was just kicked out yeah but by then i think he'd learned more about flying and everything like i had a question though about how did how did chewy get there well because that's kind of glossed over yeah it is i think there is a bit of backstory yeah um but can't remember what it is
00:22:52
Speaker
I love it. Because he says he says at one point, um he says that Wookiees were enslaved from Kashyyyk. Yeah. But that's kind of all we get and we don't get how he actually became their beast. How Chewie specifically, yeah. i believe there is a comic which deals with some of this. Okay. But yeah, be I guess on a basic level, the Wookiees were enslaved by the Empire to do their bidding. yeah We already see them in this being enslaved on a Kessel. yeah But definitely the Empire absolutely ravaged them. yeah In the aftermath trilogy of books... We need a noise. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah, we definitely need a little jingle. for the aftermath trilogy because it's literally every episode there's a bit of like literally the aftermath of that on Kashyyyk and because it's set just after Return the Jedi so there are still Imperials on Kashyyyk at that point so they were enslaving the Wookiees on Kashyyyk itself okay but I can't remember what it is that Chewie did that meant that he ended up in a prison on Minban yeah yeah go and read the comics guys yeah And then tell us because I'm not going to read the comics, not going lie. There's so many comics. I've tried a few times and I keep getting overwhelmed because there's so many and it's so overwhelming. It's so difficult to find a sensible way of doing Yeah, yeah. Kesslan, let's go and find him. Yeah, we'll ask Kesslan what happened to Chewie. bet he knows.
00:24:23
Speaker
Kesslan, if you're listening, this is a very specific shout out.
00:24:28
Speaker
I think this is the most confusing secrets for me is that I wasn't sure what was going on the first time around. Because we've got Beckett and his little gang of him and Val. love Beckett. And Rio.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah. i' All of that, like Rio is, I've written, I love Rio. Yeah. I think there's like a nice little combo of characters and i think they're just stealing stuff. They're just yeah trying to infiltrate. I mean, why would you go there to do that? I assume that they specifically needed the the ship that they stole specifically because that was the thing that was able to carry the train car thing. Yes, of course. There you go. See, this is why like I get bogged down looking for Easter eggs and forget to actually notice.
00:25:14
Speaker
What's going on the Oh, that's genius. Yeah. Did they say anything about that? or No, they just get up from there I picked up from context clues. Amazing. it was Because I was like, why did they go there for that? And I was like, oh, because they needed that ship, clearly, because then they because they needed something capable of carrying the train cars. I mean, I'd got as far as like they stole a thing that carries walkers. Oh. But I didn't go any further. So like, well, why did they take that? Yeah, I think what it was is because Han is like living on this spontaneous, like, just go for it type of thing. Yeah, you're kind of with him, really. Yeah, and you're thinking that they're just spontaneously nicking the ship. But yes that's why they're there. They've got a bigger plan. Absolutely.
00:25:53
Speaker
bigger Amazing. I've learned something. Thank you very much. I also wrote down space trains, exclamation mark. i don't think I've seen a train before. This is amazing. It is. It's kind of a monorail. Is it a monorail? like Yeah, but but it's like both sides as well, isn't it? Because they're on both sides. There's one on top and one on the bottom.
00:26:14
Speaker
Oh, wow. I didn't notice that either. Yeah. It's rolling all over the place. I know that as it goes down the bends, like everything goes all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. this is is This feels like the first train first Star Wars trains.
00:26:26
Speaker
Yeah. It's historic moment. It's a historic moment. I love the whole like western style train heist thing it was great definitely this very very cowboy mean Beckett's like gunslinger vibes yeah he's such a gunslinger and it's what kind of informs Han all the way through the whole film is learning stuff from him yeah most of it bad you know terrible stuff
00:26:53
Speaker
But it is cool and he's learning it from him. And yeah, it's very Western. I mean, the costuming of Beckett is very, yeah, like Wild West Gunsinger. Why do I feel like he is a cowboy? He is a cowboy in something else, isn't he? That's why I feel like he is cowboy. I'm sure he is. it Woody Harrelson? It is Woody Harrelson and there's no way that he's not a cowboy in something. I'm going have to Google this. I mean, he's just born to play that type character.
00:27:18
Speaker
He's definitely a cowboy somewhere. Yeah. he's He is. Cowboy energy. Space cowboy now. Definitely, yeah. and Some people call me a space cowboy. No, we're not going to have singing on this podcast. No, we already do a little bit. Yeah, you, not me. Yeah. my Oh, my goodness. My next note after the trains was great explosion.
00:27:47
Speaker
I'm not entirely sure which explosion about. yes. I know exactly you mean because I wrote down the same thing. Okay. Oh, they drop the container. Yeah, they drop the container, which is full of coaxium. That's the whole point of the hymn is the coaxium that we're going after.
00:28:01
Speaker
And to save their their own skins. Well, basically for Beckett and Han and Chewie to save themselves because by this point Val is gone. Yeah, I thought that was glossed over. Yeah, she was just absolutely blown up in the explosion of the bridge. Yeah, yeah, she blew herself up. And poor Rio, who got shot and it wasn't bad. Rio.
00:28:23
Speaker
I'm going to mourn Rio. Yeah. His whole, he the way he is, he's just so nice with people. Like his line that I've said earlier on about being curled up in a Wookiee's lap yeah just broke my heart. And the conversation that they had earlier around the campfire, he's just so kind to Han as a newbie.
00:28:42
Speaker
It's interesting that he said something about Ardenians having Minoc roasts. Yes. I think he says that when he's flying with... Yeah, he was talking about Minoc roast and I was just like, I'm not even going to pretend to remember what that is. yeah I'm Bramman will tell me later. What am I not? The leathery, the leathery like flappy things. Oh, the weird little things that... In and in the asteroid belt. Yeah. by strikes back. Yeah, got you. yeah I remember. Don't fancy them roasted.
00:29:12
Speaker
sure they're very tasty. but Also, we have skipped past the Valachord. Yes. And one of the first named instruments, I guess. I mean, there are named instruments. But the first one that we actually hear the name of in a film... Mm-hmm.
00:29:26
Speaker
I've kind of looked up. There's not an awful lot of information out there. Okay. It seems to have like two sets of strings. Cool. Yeah. Not quite sure how you play it, though. it looked I had a quick picture of it.
00:29:37
Speaker
I had a quick look at a quick picture of it. And yet as a musician, it slightly terrified me. Okay. I haven't got the urge to make one or something.
00:29:47
Speaker
This is a complete side note, but did I tell you I got told off for playing a a harpsichord in a... um in a museum the other day Oh, my God.
00:29:58
Speaker
I did say if you don't want people to play them don't leave the lids off them because very much looked like it was there to be played so I played and then I got told off any musician walking past an instrument that's open is going to play it yeah yeah Valochord gives off a bit of a harpsichord harpsichord vibe but I think it's more of a plucked I mean a harpsichord is a plucked instrument yeah but I think it's more of plucked by hand rather than keys yeah nice we'll never know we'll never know because he never got to play it No, I was going to say if we had a bracket prequel, but he never even... No? They are mentioned in... I've heard them mentioned in novels. Okay. Yeah, there's definitely a character... Interesting. I can't think of what novel it was in, but one of the characters in the novel I've been listening to recently plays one. Okay. Yeah, the Caracteum Explosion.
00:30:47
Speaker
Yes. Huge. Great sound. I liked loved it the physics. Yeah, the visuals of it. I also love the physics of the cables where you've got Emphis Ness and the Cloud Riders on their speeders yeah and Han and Chewie and Beckett in their ship. And they're kind of towing the coax in between them. yeah And like the cables are kind of being pulled in all different directions. And the animation of that must have been wild. A headache. while Yeah. But so worth it because you've really got a sense of the weight of the train carriage. Yeah. And like they're only just keeping it up between them. Sure. I've wanted to also check about what the cloud riders are riding because they look like speeder bikes. but But they're higher than speeder bikes. kind of, yeah. Like different shapes and stuff. Yeah. They make a different sound as well. Yeah, that's true.
00:31:38
Speaker
In the role-playing game and beyond, that there is a similar thing called a swoop. Okay. Which is more like... And motorbikes, like Harley Davidson, I guess, or motorbikes where you sit back a bit and you're- Yeah, like a chopper. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Rather than, can't think, I'm not very good about motorbikes, but they're like different types of motorbikes. Speedobikes were one type. Yeah, yeah. Swoops are another. You'd have swoop gangs outside cantinas in the role-playing games. So they're much more like underworld-y, whereas speeder bikes are more military- Military style yeah. We've seen the Imperials use them. Sure. Whereas swoops are more like the kids ride swoops and hang out. The kids and the gangs ride swoops. And drink jello juice. Nice.
00:32:21
Speaker
Nice. And I want the cloud riders to be riding swoops, but they're probably neither of those things, but they're pretty cool, whatever they are. They're all quite different custom jobs. One of them has like a little sidecar thing. Yeah.
00:32:33
Speaker
I love Envis Ness, but maybe we'll talk about her when we meet her properly. Yeah. I was just spent the entire time being like, I don't know who you are. Yeah. Yeah. She's an enigma. Yeah. and And I like that for her. But I remember the first time watching it again thinking, wait, who are these people? yeah during the train During the train heist. I think it all kind of paid off at the end. But yeah during that bit, i was a bit like, what is going on? Is this another gang? What's happening? Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:58
Speaker
Cool.
Dryden Vos' Yacht Party and Character Dynamics
00:32:59
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Oh, my favourite music cue is coming up. Oh, yeah. Which is going on the song that's sung on Dryden Vos' yacht. ah Ah, the croonest. Yeah. It's called Chicken in the Pot, apparently. is it? Yeah. nice And it's good John Powell himself performed the male part. Oh, wow.
00:33:21
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um And a singer called Baraka May, I don't know if I've pronounced her name very well there, she sang the voice, although the the actress who's playing the character is not her voice. Right, okay. She's performing the visual, whereas the singer's performing the audio.
00:33:36
Speaker
ah But what I loved about it is it's got loads of microtonal stuff in it. Yeah. It's like non-diatonic kind of thing, but also non-Western melody. Yeah. Which must have been a challenge to record. Yes. um As someone who has been asked to sing in microtones before. Have you? Oh my gosh. Yes. It's so hard. It's so unbelievably hard. Yeah. Yeah, we did a whole bunch of recordings trying to like do... ah it It paid off in the end, but it was just so difficult trying to do all these different like just scales you're not used to. From our earliest memory, all we hear is our diatonic 12 semi-tones to the octave musical sidebar here yeah But for those that aren't necessarily...
00:34:25
Speaker
into music in such a geeky way as we are, ah all of our music in the UK and the US s yeah mainly follow this kind of 12 semitone, like the notes on a piano. yeah um But in other countries around the world, like in some Arabic-speaking countries, their scales are slightly different and some of the notes are flatter than our notes. It's all to do with how you tune a particular instrument. And this vocal has been written using scales which don't follow our 12-step pattern. Yeah.
00:34:59
Speaker
yeah I know Jacob Collier, the kind of jazz electronica all-round musical genius. Yeah, yeah. He's really into microtones and he talks about doing key changes in some of his songs where he'll do a modulation to a new key, but it won't be in the same tunening tuning. Tuning, yeah. So he's not using like concert pitch, which you is a particular... Which is what we're used to. Yeah, it's 440 hertz kind of thing. he Yeah.
00:35:25
Speaker
So this this gives us this like otherworldly thing because it doesn't even follow the scale patterns of other countries in the world that we're less familiar with in the West. It's purely something made up for this. And they used a lot of manipulation like effects um and using software tools to tune things in a particular way. Detune it and make it. And changing the form and settings so it sounds like a different pitch or a different register of voice than we're used to hearing. Yeah. Which I love. It was really cool. I really enjoyed that as a cue. Yeah, i'll say you definitely. sounded great. I just wrote, Great crooners, great party.
00:36:04
Speaker
Yeah. It was like a good party. I could be out there. It did look like a good party, yeah. Sometimes, like Jabba's Palace and the cantina, I'm like, no, I'm not going to go and hang out there. It looks bit scary, but this looked quite nice. It looked quite nice. quite nice. Although, obviously, looks can be deceiving because I don't think it probably was very nice. Quite scary, yeah.
00:36:21
Speaker
There were Imperials floating around. There were Imperials floating around. Or were they bodyguards for... and Dryden Vos. Yeah, the kind of visible head of Crimson Dawn, although we find out that he's not. Although he even gives it away quite early on. He says something about people that he has to answer to above him, which by the end of the film we know means Maul. But at this point we're like, ooh, intrigue. Ooh, more intrigue. We love some Star Wars intrigue.
00:36:48
Speaker
What is happening? And also Paul Bettany, who I love as an actor, he plays Vision in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's in WandaVision, which is my favourite Marvel show.
00:36:59
Speaker
That's why I recognised him. Yeah. I did wonder. i was like, I've seen this guy. Very, very different character. Vision is this kind of like pure, honest. Vision's so nice. And Dryden Vos is the most scary, awesome, two-faced. Scary grim. That's why I couldn't work it out, though, because it is such a different character. Okay, a little Easter egg that have discovered is not apparent, but we've got to have it because it's amazing. Did you notice him talking to one of his like attendees, who is a lady with like half a head?
00:37:34
Speaker
No. She's only in it very slightly. He's talking to I think it's before Han and Beckett have arrived ok with Chewie. And he's talking to her. i think, yeah, there are Imperials because he's telling her or she's telling him about the governor, the local governor. Oh, okay. I think he's just killed with his red blades. Yeah, yeah. Because the governors are mentioned in a New Hope when Tarkin's going on about the the systems being left to the governors. Yeah.
00:38:03
Speaker
Now that the Senate has been dissolved, I think that's what's going on. yeah so And this is around, it's a bit before that time, but there's a changing power structure in the in the empire is going on. Dryden's not having any of it because it doesn't gel with his like vision how we should be ruling sectors and so on.
00:38:20
Speaker
So he's talking to this woman and she's got half a head, like the top half of her head been cut off. Right. Okay. So she's like from the nose downwards. Right. And above that is like a cyborg plate with kind of like eyes built into it.
00:38:35
Speaker
Oh. We did talk about tracking ah cyborg cyborgs at one point. We did. just absolutely forgot about that. The thing was when we watched Empire Strikes Back, I think, when we were talking about robot. But there aren't a lot of cyborgs in no Star Wars. But this is kind of one. And according to Wikipedia... Yeah.
00:38:53
Speaker
She's been decraniated. oh That's the term they call it. That sounds awful. I love it. It is awful. it's okay And apparently the technique was originally created by Dr. Evazan, or Evazan, who's the I've got a death sentence in 12 systems guy that Luke argues the cantina.
00:39:13
Speaker
what Who does pop up. I've seen him in multiple Star Wars things now. We will be seeing him again. But yeah, he's developed this way of like going taking the Lobot thing to another level yeah and literally removing the brain cranium in the brain and replacing it with software.
00:39:31
Speaker
But keeping the physical body, the biological body. That's wild. terrifying it's just like a little tiny throwaway background character that we never see again wow but maybe in future you know maybe in more shadow lord we'll get more of get more of that craated luck do we want more of those no that sounds good ah Fair enough. That's incredible. Han and Kira's little conversation. What should we drink to?
00:39:56
Speaker
Let's drink to and see how it goes. love that. Yeah, that was good. I love their vibe. I love their reconnect. They're quite cheeky, aren't they? like Yeah, I was expecting it to be all awkward and like, oh no, you know, you but they just immediately got back in sync with each And she quite quickly says, you wouldn't look at me the same if you knew yeah what I've done. and you're like, absolutely but he does just kind of accept her on face value of, oh, my friend. Great. Yeah. Which is his vibe. She gives him credit. Like she doesn't belittle him in any way for what he may or may not have done. The fact that he's ended up here on a crazy, you know, on a failed mission to get Coaxium that you should never have been on in the first place. Yeah. Which I guess helps like push this whole next sequence on of them like agreeing to go and try and get some coax in from somewhere else. and And at this point, we as film watchers are starting to put it all together and be like, oh Kessel. yeah Oh my gosh, you now we know where we're going.
00:40:55
Speaker
And then down to the sort of like, i know a man with a fast ship yeah kind of thing. it's like, oh, this is where it's going. Amazing. Yeah. I did notice Chewie being a bit jealous of Kira. Yes, he is a little bit. Touched my heart a little bit, which is interesting because he never is jealous of Leia. No, he loves Leia. He's very... He does. Yeah, his life debt to hand is transferred to Leia. So we're in several group chats now, but there's a meme one. Yeah. And a meme that came up recently, which is one that I've seen before, was the kind of man and his dog meme. Yeah. But it was flipped and it was like, oh, Han's the dog, Chewie's the owner. Yeah, Chewie's the person, the owner of the Chewie's the person, the owner of the pet. So I then watched this entire film through that lens, which was great. Oh my God.
00:41:49
Speaker
That's blown my mind now. I need to go away and rethink my life. I was like, yeah, no, that tracks. And also I love that as a thing. So I just kept flicking between the two and being like, yeah, that's fine. I need to rewatch now with that mind.
00:42:05
Speaker
it was so good. Anyway, that was a tangent that I'm taking you down. I love that. this This episode is all about random tangents. We learn that the Pikes are in control of Kessel. Yes. And we see more and more and more of the Pikes all the time. They're becoming increasingly part of the Star Wars galaxy. Interesting. I think we saw them first in Clone Wars. Right. I mentioned, i think, in our Attack of the Clones episode, yeah it was the Pikes that killed Cipherdeus. Yeah.
00:42:37
Speaker
Yes. I think on Obadiah, which is where they hang out. Okay. But they're also in lots of other Star Wars shows and content generally. Okay. And we do get to see them in a bit. Ooh.
00:42:49
Speaker
Okay. Something, this is, okay. Okay. This is super geek. This is like way beyond. You can tell when Branwen sits back in her chair slightly and goes, okay, you know that something's going to happen.
00:43:00
Speaker
You know you can glaze over for about five minutes. No. We listen harder. Tell me. In the background of Dryden's room yes on his ship, yeah on his yacht, which, by the way, I love the vertical yacht. Yeah. So good. Great. I think it's called First Light, something like that, because it's Crimson Dawn. Oh, yeah, very good. I think that's where it comes from. There's a skull that's quite big yeah and looks like it's kind of white, and it's got like crystalline eyes, I think, yeah in it.
00:43:32
Speaker
It's quite noticeable. it triggered something in my memory, and I had to go on a massive... Part paperback, part internet rabbit hole to get to the bottom of it. As a kid, I read two trilogies. There was a Han Solo trilogy yeah and a Calrissian trilogy. Yeah.
00:43:51
Speaker
What? I've got your Han Solo trilogy. Ah. Well, fear not because I've already re-bought. i bought the first one again. I knew I had them and I was trying to find them the other day to read before I watched. Yeah, they're on my bookshelf. Yeah.
00:44:10
Speaker
Or two of them are anyway. I can't remember why needed to read them. I needed to reread them for something and can't remember what it was. They've been on my bookshelf for about 12 years. One of them is on my bedside table, the new, like bought on eBay. You can't get it new, I don't think. So I had to buy a second hand of Han Solo at Star's End.
00:44:28
Speaker
Which is the first one. And so that trilogy by Brian Daly, and then there's another trilogy of just Lando Carizan stories, yeah which I must have read because this triggered a memory of something in those two trilogies. so I had to like try and trawl the internet to find out. so I dug out my land Lando one and this is three books. I can't read this in an afternoon. Yeah. But I did manage to find out that it is from the last of the Lando Carizian books. wow um I think it's from the last one called Lando Carizian and the Star Cave of Thronboka.
00:45:03
Speaker
oron boca Oh, okay. And the baddie is called Zin the Despot. Zin the Despot is a good name. Okay. Oh, no, no, sorry. It's the last book of the Han Solo trilogy. Okay, yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
Han Solo and the Lost Legacy, Zim the Despot. And this skull is Zim's skull. Oh, wow. Because it looks like this. and I might be on the cover of that book, but I wouldn't know because somebody else is... Shall I go and get it? Yeah, go know where it is.
00:45:35
Speaker
Yeah, I know where it is. yeah know it is You only ever lent me two of them. Did I? You lent me two of them and I've got Han Solo at Star's End and I've got Han Solo's Revenge. oh It's the other one. It's the other one. So it's neither of those two. So we're never going to know. We'll never know. We'll never know. Well, until I get another copy of Han Solo and the Lost Legacy. Yeah, I only ever had those two 12 years ago. Yeah.
00:46:03
Speaker
Amazing. Have I read them? new Not yet. I will. i haven't read the new copy of Han Solo at Star's End that I re-bought recently.
00:46:13
Speaker
But i will do. I did start it and it is cool. I do love it. They're very like of that era. Nice. Yeah. So I think they are worth a read because I think they have been dipped into. Okay, cool. They are very niche because since then there's been another Han Solo trilogy from the Legends stuff. Yeah. So even that isn't canon. Right. But I think when filmmakers and stuff tend to dip into the...
00:46:36
Speaker
Han Solo stuff, they go further back and they go to that original. It was 1980 those books came out, I think. 1979 and 1980. So they're super early, pre-Empire Strikes Back even.
00:46:48
Speaker
So there's probably a lot of stuff that doesn't correspond at all with Star Wars as we know it. yeah There is a lot of talk about the corporate sector in them. I think that's where they mostly take place. And that is definitely still a thing. We see that in multiple places. I'm listening to a novel at the moment um that's set in Corsac, the corporate sector. I think the role-playing game used to be in Corsac a lot.
00:47:08
Speaker
Anyway, that's The Skull.
Lando’s Charm and L3’s Uniqueness
00:47:10
Speaker
That's The Skull. That is this kind of like wild that you found that, or that you remembered it and then found it. Yeah. It's symbolic of the amount of Easter eggs in this film. Like I said at the beginning, nearly every shot and every line has an Easter egg.
00:47:25
Speaker
Great. Okay, let's get to Lando. I loved the droid fights. Did you ever watch Robot Yeah, that's exactly what I wrote down as well. It's just like real Robot Wars.
00:47:36
Speaker
Anybody who's not in the UK, Robot Wars was like a kind of random game show. It's come back recently. Is it back? It came it came back recently with Dar O'Brien posting it. Ah, because wasn't it, um what's his name from um ah Red Dwarf? Red Dwarf, yeah.
00:47:54
Speaker
What's his name from Red Dwarf? He's also a DJ. He is a DJ, yeah. Craig Charles. Craig Charles, obviously. Come on. Yeah. And basically teams of like engineers build robots to fight each other. Yeah.
00:48:08
Speaker
I wanted to be on it so badly. I can imagine. is It was a cool show. But my dad is a community artist, drama practitioner and wasn't going to help me build a robot. would have said that's the perfect thing for a community drama practitioner to get involved in. Making robots out of stuff that you've got lying around. That's so cool. It would have been made out of paper mache and been caned instantly. yeah Yeah, they were pretty aggressive robots, as are the robots in the droid fighting yeah in this very sketchy looking canteen place. Sketchy little club,
00:48:44
Speaker
There's so many amazing aliens. I love in the Sabacc game yeah all of the aliens. There are just so many cool aliens that we've never seen before. And I know in the past I've complained that we you know sometimes get too many new aliens and I want to see some Rodians and Ithorians and what have you.
00:49:01
Speaker
But I actually loved all of these new aliens. They were very Star Wars. don't know. think because they're all different shapes and sizes. There's some tiny ones and huge ones. It must have been such a fun set for that. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Imagine being on that set with Donald Glover, just in his element, playing himself. I love him. I love him so much. I could not love anybody more. Yeah, we're dying for more. There is more on the cards. He is in talks. I think he's been writing. Oh, wow. So there's been talk of a film. There's been talk of a series. can't believe we're not going to get some new Lando characters in Donald Glover at this point.
00:49:41
Speaker
It's just like, why would you not? Yeah, he's great. Like, what is there to lose is just absolute peak Star Wars. He is absolutely great. He gets it so right. Like, the balance between honouring Billy Dee Williams and, you know, encapsulating his mannerisms and his turn phrase and stuff, while also just being Donald Glover. Yeah.
00:50:01
Speaker
Just so good. Clearly having the best time. and Definitely. I feel like if there were any bits from the original directors that may have passed through you know into the Ron Howard version, yeah these could have been some of the bits. but I was just writing down line after line. yeah Everything you've heard about me is true. yeah What are you doing with Harry and the boy? Yeah.
00:50:23
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necessity
00:50:26
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um And the great little interaction between Han and him at the beginning where they talk about Sabacc and Sabarc. Yeah. Because Billy Dee Williams is the only actor who called him Han yeah in the original trilogy. Everyone else called him Han. So they like metered in that line about Sabacc versus Sabarc.
00:50:47
Speaker
So good. I had no idea that that's where it came from, but that is great. Yeah. It's just amazing. thing We get a little mention of Aura Singh, who we've talked about loads, well, not loads, but multiple times on this podcast. She's the white-skinned alien that we see in the pod race in Phantom Menace, who a bounty hunter who trained Boba Fett to be a bounty hunter. It turns out that Tobias Beckett killed Aura Singh. It's just another little throwaway line.
00:51:14
Speaker
Oh. Oh, what? Okay. I think it might have been Lando just asking him what he'd been up to because they seem to know each other. yeah. yeah Or is it Kira somehow? There's some conversation where it turns out that he killed.
00:51:27
Speaker
He killed her. Second favourite only to Donald Glover playing Lando is Phoebe Waller-Bridge playing She is amazing. Oh, the way it's written. She is so Her acting it, the animation of the droid, it's just everything about it. She's very Fleabag in it, though. She's very much kind of playing the Fleabag character. yeah Which i think is like, it's kind of just great casting. yeah You know this character from the page yeah and you think there's only one person to play this character. Yeah.
00:52:01
Speaker
I mean, I'd love to be able to like go back in time and read the script without knowing that it's her. and like Yeah. Yeah. She's just great. Again, line after line. Yeah. Let go of the mean man's face. Yeah. And and I think Lando at one point asks her, do you need anything? And she just turns around and equal rights. Yeah, she does. Yeah.
00:52:26
Speaker
so And he's just rolling his eyes out. And the whole interaction with Kira as well, where she's like, Lando's clearly into me, obviously, but it would never work.
00:52:38
Speaker
Yeah. Kira's like, but could you? And she's like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And there's no more question. It's just like, there's no way. But also knowing Lando, well, maybe. yeah I mean, Lando is canonically pansexual, I think. ok It's legitimately confirmed.
00:53:00
Speaker
um i mean, he does flirt with pretty much anybody crosses his path. um yeah But yeah, he's in the Pan Club, so if there's a Pan Club in Star Wars, Lando is there. And as a Pan person myself, I'm all for representation, especially when it's performed by Donald Glover and especially when it's Lando Carizian, who has always been a favourite. Yeah.
00:53:23
Speaker
The Falcon looks like a different ship. It's clean, is what I wrote. It's sparkling. It's so clean. What is going on? We've never seen the Falcon so clean. I know. For some reason, I put that it looks ripped. I don't quite know what I was in for a maybe-less. It just looks gorgeous and it's all like... Yeah. The corridors are like white. Yeah. It's so weird. Yeah. And he mentions the alluvial dampers, which again, we've had multiple references in this podcast. I think they're part of his modifications, aren't they? Yeah, that's what they said. Still not entirely sure what they No, no one knows what they do.
00:54:02
Speaker
If you do know what they do, leave us a comment. Yeah, let us know. We'll have to have a little feature about alluvial dampers at some point. and We'll find out that Han's dad used to build on Corellia, which is beautiful poetry. Yeah.
00:54:19
Speaker
Okay, so they go into the maelstrom. Yes. Which I'm not entirely sure how this all connects, but... okay Back in the Legends um continuity, yeah the old novels, there was a lot about the maelstrom.
00:54:35
Speaker
But there was also a lot about this thing called the Moor. okay And I'm not sure whether there was a difference what those two things were. i vividly remember the Moor being spoken about.
00:54:45
Speaker
And perhaps the Maelstrom was different. But in this, the Maelstrom seems to be just the overall, like, tempestuous star, you know, thing that's really difficult to navigate through where Kessel is within. And the more, I think, is the back hole they...
00:55:02
Speaker
come to tour. The gravity well black hole thing. Yeah. When they're trying to get out of the maelstrom, they get caught in the moor. So it's kind of part of it. um But i just wanted to like name check it as something that came from, another thing that's come from legends.
00:55:16
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. And it's it's called the moor. I feel like it like ties in with I don't know if it's the same in the new canon as the Unknown Regions, where in The Rise of Skywalker, we saw Rey navigating through it with the Wayfinder. It's difficult to jump through. have to use some kind of special navigation. You have to know where you're going. Yeah. And we talked about the Chiss, the Grand Admiral Thorns race, using Skywalkers who are like Force-sensitive
The Maelstrom and Kessel Chaos
00:55:45
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kids.
00:55:45
Speaker
So it is the maelstrom just similar you know i feel like kessel isn't in the unknown regions i feel like kessel is known because it's a mining colony isn't it yeah it's like part of the regular star wars you know galactic community economy whatever yeah so it feels like it's not part of the unknown regions it's just another part of difficult to get to yeah to get to yeah okay that's fine i just wanted to like see we're going for difficult to get to Do we see the micro jumping last episode? we you You asked, I think, is micro jumping thing? we don't they don't do it.
00:56:24
Speaker
Lightspeed skipping is what they were doing. Oh, so is that different? Because there is a bit where they do, like it looks like they jump to lightspeed. Yeah. And then they so pop out of lightspeed again and they're somewhere else in the maelstrom. Yeah.
00:56:38
Speaker
I don't know this is just like I thought they didn't actually jump to light speed until they were coming out. I know they do. When they yeah when they come out, they coaxium to boost the sublight engines. That makes them go really fast until they're nearly out and then he punches the hyperspace out. But I so feel that on their way into Kessel...
00:57:01
Speaker
we see them doing a little micro jump. Ooh. Oh, I don't know. Maybe need to rewatch that sequence. Not sure. But I'm sure I saw them jump to light speed inside the thing and then drop out of light speed quite quickly. Yeah. Maybe they are light speed skipping.
00:57:14
Speaker
like Maybe there's a difference between micro jumping and light speed skipping. Yeah, yeah. Like maybe one you don't fully come out of hyperspace. I don't know. But i know through these difficult to navigate areas of space, like yeah the Maelstrom, like the unknown regions, yeah In the past, I have come across like this idea of doing small jumps. okay You can't just like jump straight to your destination because there's too many obstacles. Too many things in the way, yeah. Yeah, you might plough through, so you have to do it in little bits. Yeah, that makes sense. Did you spot the Lando-Carrusian Easter egg that Beckett is wearing when they come out of the Falcon? Oh, yes, he's got the same helmet on. the whole i think the whole outfit is the Skiff guard outfit. yeah I did see that and I spotted that.
00:58:03
Speaker
See, you do you do notice your Easter eggs. I do notice some Easter eggs, yeah. But not all of them go over my head, just most of them. I only see the very, very obvious ones. That was a good one. That was a good one. I enjoyed that. was like, oh, it's this good. Okay, cool. We got the same outfit. It looked really weird on him as well. like yeah I don't know.
00:58:22
Speaker
So they leave, when they go onto Kessel, they leave Lando in the ship. Yes, they do. yeah for some of Lando's amazing content. He's just doing his chronicles. He's got important work do. Can we not have an audio book of Donald Glover reading the Chronicles of Lando Calvizian?
00:58:42
Speaker
I would just listen that on repeat. I love that he's like filming himself as well. Yeah, yeah. It's a holographic. Video blog. Yeah.
00:58:51
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There's another callback to the novel, the to these ancient. ah There's a reference to Sharu, which is yeah book one of the Lando-Chorizian trilogy is the mine harp of Sharu, which he mentioned at one point. My my radar popped up on that bit. The radar was pinging. I was laughing so much at his demeanour that I forgot take in what he said all. doesn't matter what he said. The content is irrelevant. It's all about how he's doing it. It's so good.
00:59:21
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And I love how he's like in this peaceful vibe in the Falcon, which is all nice and clean with his cape collection and what have you. And he's just chilling, just spending his time. He doesn't have to go on the mission. He's just there to get the ship ready for when they need to go. and he's doing his little memoirs. Doing his memoirs, writing his story. And then we're intercutting that and the absolute chaos that L3 is initiated by taking the droids.
00:59:50
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bolts off. Taking the droids the stadium bolts off. And we've got like gonk droids freeing other droids and it's just pandemonium. you know what that reminded me of? We used to have them ah this is some deep seer lore here. We used to have a guy who had loads of horses and we used to spend quite a lot of time on his farm and there was one horse in particular that could get out and once he got out he'd let all the rest of them out but he deliberately not let the one that he didn't like out so he'd go down then he'd open all the stables apart from one one yeah
01:00:26
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was your horse like l3 in another life think maybe it's definitely l3 vibes you had to put so many carabiners on all of the locks on the doors so that he couldn't get out because he just would and then he'd free everyone else he's a menace he's a rebellion he was a menace instigator so funny love it but yeah it really reminded me of that like them all freeing each other and going down that sounds just like it It's so funny. I mean, I just want L3 leading the rebellion. Any rebellion I'm part of, which at this point, there's quite a few the real And Lando's on the ship being like, wait, what are you doing? Creating a distraction. Right.
01:01:06
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He just likes to get slightly nervous that something is going on. And rightly so, because it does not end well for L3. No. There's another deep, deep, deep one which I've... Go on. Tell me. Tell me. kia takes out one of the pike guards with some funky moves. And does Beckett ask her what that is? How did she... Yeah, where did you learn that? Oh, how did you... Yeah, and she says it's Tereskazi and Dryden taught her.
01:01:36
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Teraskazi, again, my radars popped up and this time I was able to place it. Okay. In the 90s, there was a PlayStation game called Warriors of the Teraskazi, which was basically Tekken, but Star Wars. But Star Wars, nice. And you could have a lightsaber, could have Han Solo with a lightsaber, I seem to remember. You could do all sorts of things. Controversial. All of the main characters were there at that point. think it's pre-prequel, so we still only had the original trilogy. and any other computer games and novels and stuff, but not a lot to draw on. So it was all like the main original trilogy characters. Okay. Leia, Vader, you know, Stormtrooper, I think.
01:02:13
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And you chose your character and you fought like Tekken. It was, I think, the first beat-em-up game that was 3D. You know, in later Tekkens, you can like move forwards and backwards in the Z axis as well as moving left and right. Whereas that early Street Fighter, and I think, maybe Tekken 1, you could only move in 2D. And Tereskazi, I think, was one of the first.
01:02:35
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But nobody seems to talk about it. Like, again, I've not heard on any other podcast mentioned. that's because I'm old. It's always about my age. I was there you were playing with my housemate. Shout out to Lewis if you're listening. Probably not. But we used to play Tereskazi together. yeah And so it was like a martial art.
01:02:55
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yeah in the Star Wars galaxy and they've revived it well so Lawrence Kasdan and his son Jonathan Kasdan I'm going to tip my hat to you yeah yeah for going deep on the references nice I love it I presume it came from them Nice, nice.
01:03:14
Speaker
We do have a lot going on through all of this because not only are the droids being freed, the slaves are being freed and then we find Wookiees. Yeah, Wookiees. And then the Wookiees are being freed. and They look like they're in such a bad state. Yeah, they don't look good. They don't look good at all.
01:03:30
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They've lost hair and they're very skinny and yeah. And I love like Han, like I think Han's relationship with Chewie is really cemented in this whole thing. Like the way that he lets Chewie go, not lets Chewie go, Chewie's got his own mind, but you know, he understands why Chewie has to sort of bail from the mission basically. Yeah, yeah. um And their like newfound partnership to go and do what he's got to do. Yeah. Of course, I absolutely love that he comes back. He comes back, yeah. Like it's not it's not all over for their partnership, but yeah.
01:04:01
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It's quite an emotional like sequence yeah for them and for L3, because especially watching on the rewatch and you know that L3 gets blown up. This is her last act in the physical world. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty heavy. It is pretty heavy.
01:04:18
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She's just great. I would i would happily just watch her more. Yeah. I think if this Lando stuff ever comes off, I would love it if it was prequel. Yeah. Because, i mean, Donald Glover looks the same. He's one of these guys. He's not going to get any older looking. He just looks great. Yeah. He could totally play Lando in this era or like in the five years leading up to this period. Yeah. And I suppose if he if it's before, then he gets the Falcon as well. so yeah Yeah, exactly.
01:04:45
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it's Lando, the Falcon, and L3 running around the galaxy. Great. Hijinks. Cheating. Corporate sector, the Pikes, any of this stuff that we're getting in this film. I'd just please give more of that. Manifesting.
01:04:59
Speaker
I'll have to get Ketlan writing some episodes and send them off. Ketlan. You've got jobs. Get on it. Yeah. Oh my gosh. But they get back on the Falcon. They do.
01:05:12
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Han talks about Needles, who is a character in the Brian Daly trilogy. Okay. But Lawrence Kasdan said it's not him that they're referring to. Right. It's actually, you seen Back to the Future 2? Yes.
01:05:25
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yes He's in Back to the Future 2 and 3. He's played by um Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers. Excellent. I think he's, is he working for um the bad guy? i can't remember, like, Marty's arch enemy. Yeah, yeah. Who's, like, in the future has taken over the city and everything. Yeah. I think he's one of his hedgemen, possibly, is Needles. Okay.
01:05:48
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Anyway, that's apparently the reference. The reference is that. But I'm still going to stand by. There is a character. There is a character called Needles. In the Brian Daly books. Yeah. Briefly. so Yeah, does it does all this whole kind of like manoeuvring. Lando giving directions. This is clearly Donald Glover improvising. 90 degrees to the left-ish.
01:06:09
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Left-ish.
01:06:12
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So good. He's so unapologetic about it. He has a moment of this is why you don't let anyone else drive your ship as well. Yeah.
Millennium Falcon’s Iconic Moments
01:06:20
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He's kind of, and he's still like reeling from the whole L3 thing. yeah Like he's just, he's in such a bemused, overwhelmed state yeah and I'm here for it. It's so good.
01:06:32
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So the point where he lets Han fly the Falcon and we get that. yeah And we instantly see why the Falcon looks like it does yeah when we re-meet it. Because he's absolutely reckless. Yeah.
01:06:45
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Just whatever it takes. And I love that he originally has Kira as a co-pilot and then Chewie's just like, come on. Yeah, no. No, absolutely not. It's all about Chewie and Han.
01:06:59
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It's so emotional and we're getting all of the musical cues. yeah like yeah There's stuff from A New Hope going on. We get da-da-da-da when the Star Destroyer arrives. yeah We get the asteroid belt theme yeah from Empire.
01:07:14
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so good. Should we go to Savarine or have you got anything else to say about the Moor before we move on? The one thing, they have this whole little sequence with the yeah TIE fighters and we get yeah Beckett in the gun position. Oh, yes.
01:07:29
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And I was like, there is something about the Falcon and being on the Falcon guns that makes people whoop. Yeah. Because it's always... Nine times of ten, they're It's there. They're in the Falcon. In one of the two turret guns, yeah. Yeah.
01:07:45
Speaker
So that was something that I noticed. I was like, why is it? Because they suddenly get very, and it's like the display is quite video gamey and then they're doing, and then the whooping happens. And they're in this little protective bubble thing. We need to track this. Well, we are tracking it anyway. This is why we're here now talking about it. When we get to Clone Wars, especially Rebels, I have a feeling there's quite bit in Rebels as well, which isn't on the Falcon, obviously. But you are right. In the movies, the Falcon is the place for the whoops. Yeah, yeah. Because even like Rey, when she's not, she doesn't normally get like that about murder, but she does when she's in the Falcon. And Finn.
01:08:23
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And Finn, yeah. And Finn as well. Yeah. Same thing. no Oof. Because Beckett gets a bit whoopee too. Yeah, maybe there's a little dark side pocket in the turret gun of the Falcon.
01:08:36
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Let's track it. Yeah. There is some amazing sound design um of the beast. and the And the orchestration goes wild. Yeah. Like the music and stuff is yeah is off the scale. It's such an intense scene visually as well. Like you really feel the pull of the black hole. Yeah.
01:08:55
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and And the kind of anger of that beast thing, whatever it is. I didn't look at the name. Yeah. Can't remember what it's called. lots of eyes. It's strange name. It's pretty scary looking. It's pretty freaky. But yeah, they do break out.
01:09:07
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There's that classic punch it. Yeah, yeah yeah i love it. bit of a reckless hyperspace jump. We know that Han is very reckless with the way he uses hyperspace. Like jumping to or coming out of whatever it takes. it When they crash land on Savarin, there's a shot of the Falcon obviously skidding to a stop. And there's like something round falls off and spins. It's like at the hubcap, you know, when a car crashes. yeah It's just exactly like that.
01:09:37
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Losing a hubcap. Yeah. Yeah, the falcon has spinning hubcaps. We just did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, chewy roars. Not if you round it down, buddy. Yeah. Hand bending the truth. Bending the truth on that.
01:09:54
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And he he goes and tells everyone as well, doesn't He's just like, they don't care. ah but So it must be 13 just under Yeah, yeah. but Which is why Finn's line about 14 parsecs in Force Awakens had to be 14, not 13. Yeah. So that Han could be more like justified when he said 12. Yeah.
Easter Eggs and Diversity in Star Wars
01:10:21
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I wrote down this pair of lines, I hate you, i know. Yeah. Which is obviously an Empire reference, but i didn't write down who said it to whom. I have a feeling it's Han to Beckett, I think. No, it's Lando and Han. Oh, yes. Lando says, i hate you.
01:10:39
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he says, I know. Han says, I know. Because he's trashed the ship. Yes. I could not love this film anymore at this point. Like, shut up. I know people moan about Easter eggs and fan service. We've said this before, but yeah but it's just I just love it it. makes me feel good. Don't try and take away my joy. Yeah, no, we're not taking away any joy, but also like that...
01:11:02
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Yeah, if it's done well, then yeah i don't mind at all. The story doesn't depend on it. yeah I guess that's the thing. It's additional content. yeah And the film is quite dense with good new stuff already. We're getting new news stories, new bits of information that we want. yeah I think it's fine. And it's not stuff that's unlikely. like Most of these things that we're referring to are things which are they're not just like, let's see if we can crowbar this thing into this scene. Yeah, it's just happening. The fact that those things have happened may well be informing other things that we've seen before, but come after in the timeline and so on and vice versa. Yeah.
01:11:41
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It's very funny. And use the stuff. like I think things like the Terrascarzi and the Crystal Skull thing. um or that's now made me think about Indiana Jones, but that's a whole other Oh, that's a whole other thing. It's rabbit hole. I'd rather they take stuff from elsewhere in in the franchise. You know, like, let's take Terra Scalzi. It already exists in Star Wars Galaxy. Okay, there's a whole canon Legends thing, which is an issue. But we know they're taking stuff from Legends. A lot of us love the Legends stuff. yeah um You know, we were possibly, some more than others, disappointed when Disney...
01:12:17
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decanonized all of that stuff. i mean, for a moment, I felt the loss of all those books I'd read as ah yeah as a but like I immediately embraced what Disney was doing and I love where they're going and everything. But it's great. I'm very happy for them to grab stuff from that part of the franchise yeah and bring it into into canon. I love it.
01:12:38
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I'm here for it. My next note is, I don't know who these people are, but they've got really cool music. And this is my favourite music cue. Is this Embers' gang? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, you're right. We don't really know. Like, since then, I've kind of looked them up.
01:12:55
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The actress who plays Envis, I've seen her in other things. Yeah, have too. absolutely love her whenever I see her. She's in a Marvel thing. I've got feeling she was in the Willow TV series that Disney stole from us and have deleted her from Disney. Oh, interesting.
01:13:09
Speaker
By the way, campaign to bring Willow back because I love that. I'm glad I watched it when it was there because it was only there for a few months. Oh, wow. It's very, very queer. Okay. um And very diverse, like in terms of the casting. Yeah. And that obviously upset some people for some reason.
01:13:26
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And it got pulled. I've got lots of problems with Disney. Yeah. But equally, that that they did give it to us in the first place. Yeah. know I feel this was maybe like Disney were in a place where they were bringing in more diversity and they were doing all of the right things.
01:13:42
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And then somewhere along the line, something's changed. yeah And i don't know if that's to do with Bob Iger or Donald Trump or it's a whole thing. Rise of fascism in general.
01:13:54
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Yeah, yeah. The changes that are going on in this world that cannot be denied. And I think chopping a show like Willow is very symbolic of that and very sad, to be honest, because it's like, there's room for all of it. You didn't have to take it away from us. no um Anyway, she but I think she was in that. And yeah, she's great. So I think when I saw her, I was like, oh, I need to know everything i can find about these people. About this person, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:19
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I mean, we don't know an awful lot. I think there are some comics about it. She's part of a faction. This is pre-rebellion, pre-organized rebellion. I think this is even pre-Rebels. Okay. It's not a spoiler alert, really, to tell you that Rebels, the animated show, is about a small group of people who start rebelling and gradually join up with the bigger movement.
Enfys Nest’s True Motives and Political Reflections
01:14:40
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With the bigger rebellion, yeah.
01:14:41
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And Andor is the same. yeah And these Cloud Riders are the same sort of thing. There's a character called Saw Gerrera who we meet in Clone Wars. And he's in Andor. He's in Rogue One. yeah He's in Rebels. He's in lots of Star Wars. He's in various computer games as well.
01:14:59
Speaker
Played by Forrest Whitaker in live action and played by a different voice actor. No, Forrest Whitaker, I think, does the voice in the animation as well, which is so cool. I love that game to do it And he is a very violent... I say he's very violent. He's not afraid to use violence in his fight against the Empire. He hates the Empire. There's a good reason for that, as we'll find out in Clone Wars.
01:15:23
Speaker
But he is like some of the rest of the rebels. Yeah. distance themselves from him because he's very like extremist yeah yeah which you know there's a debate of how far do you have to go go yeah with peaceful protests before you become aggressive um and i think the cloud riders ah that she she might even mention saw guerrera i can't remember if it's mentioned in the screenplay or not But certainly she has connections with Saw Gerrera and they're both on doing similar missions to like gather resources and, you know, money or stuff. Like in this case, they want the car axiom yeah to help build the rebellion. yeah And obviously Dryden Vos is having none of that.
01:16:10
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no Like he's just a greedy crime lord that yeah wants stuff to accumulate stuff for their own purposes, yeah um which is different from what the Rebellion are doing. And he's not sympathetic to the Rebellion. and But I love the twist that like early on in the film, we assume that Envis Ness and the Cloud Riders are villains. Or like another, yeah, like another rival gang, crime gang. crime gang.
01:16:32
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Yeah, that's how they're presented. Which they kind of are in a way, yeah but they are actually doing it for the good, yeah for the for the greater good, for the rebellion. I love that. I'm afraid that she takes her helmet off to tell that story you know to so that we know she's know she's on our side. She's yeah yeah part of the rebellion.
01:16:51
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We haven't seen anything else, much of her on screen. okay I don't think ah Anything at all. I can't remember her being in anything else. I'd love to see more of her. yeah I think the gang looks so cool. It does.
01:17:04
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Warwick Davis, yeah, again. I know. I did see. I've got a note. Did you recognise him? He's in it early on in the Lando Sabacc bit. Is I did not see that.
01:17:17
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I think he's like infiltrating. Okay. can't remember what's going on He's there and maybe he's chasing Beckett or something. Yeah. But we hear his voice. He's wearing his helmet and everything so we don't see him. But I heard his voice and I was like, Warwick, there he is Incredible. ah But yeah, we see him without... oh that He's just living his best life every see He's having a great time. I love him. He's just so tied up with all of this now that it's like, ah, bring him again. Yeah. He can't not be there. Yeah.
01:17:44
Speaker
Bring him into all of it. But yeah, they're so cool. And and Envis, basically, she takes her helmet off and describes neoliberalism. Yeah. Which, you know, this isn't a political podcast. We're not going to go on about what we know may or may not believe, I don't think.
01:17:57
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But it's just interesting in 2025 to hear somebody say those words yeah that this thing is happening in the Star Wars galaxy and it's very resonant, let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah.
01:18:11
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Another one of her gang members, I think, is a character called Two Tubes. If it's not the Two Tubes, it's another character of the same race who looks the same has got the same wardrobe. right He's an alien and he's literally got two tubes. yeah bre Like a breath mask thing. And he is also in Saw Gerrera's gang, which is why I know there's link between them. There's crossover, yeah. Pretty sure. He's in Rogue One.
01:18:36
Speaker
I recognise the name, but I now don't know whether I recognise it because I watched it this morning or because you've said it. Oh, no, I don't think he's named. I don't think he's mentioned. Not named. I mean, i know I think he's mentioned somewhere.
01:18:49
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Yeah. But can't think where. Hardly. I mean, we see him a lot. He's in Rogue One and he's i think he's in Andor season two. Yeah. Possibly even season one. And I'm sure we've seen him.
01:19:00
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animated somewhere anyway he's become like we see him in different things yeah it's good to see him here doing whatever he's doing yeah do I forgot to say about Warwick Warwick has a rocket launcher and he's loving it it's so great incredible And by this point, I'm like, oh, this is the end of the film yeah for the second time. Yeah.
01:19:26
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And then we've still got this whole showdown. Yeah. Yeah. I did just feel like there was a lot of, um kind of at that point, Yeah, too many threads to follow. Too many threads to follow.
01:19:38
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I was quite confused by that point. Yeah, I can see that. I think I was the first time. Yeah, yeah. I've watched it multiple times. It all fits together. all fits together. It makes sense. Yeah. I did feel like it all
Betrayals and Moral Complexities
01:19:48
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came together. i thought like I thought there was going to be more connection between Beckett and the Cloud Riders. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:19:54
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Yeah, there isn't a particular thread there, is there? There's a thread, no. They're just competing. Yeah. um They clearly have history, but yeah it's yeah, there's nothing there. It feels almost like the Cloud Riders, much as I love them, like as a part of the story, it's almost like they were one aspect too many. if if this this was a traditional Hollywood blockbuster movie, they are one thread too many. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, sure. Like we'd have just had showdown on Savareen with the yeah um you know the end of the heist of the Coaxium and the face-off with Dryden Vos and Han and Kira. know that would have been it, yeah. I like them there. It's very Star Wars. It's very sowing seeds that we know are going to come back to us later. Come back some point, yeah. Yeah, definitely. sure um And I just love the characters. They're so Star Wars-y feeling with the helmets and yeah their weaponry and all of that.
01:20:44
Speaker
So then we have the showdown. We have the showdown. The showdown. We've got so much double double crossing going on. Yeah, I know. You just think, just right like god oh, there's the twist. And then there's another twist. Let's have another double cross. Let's have a triple cross. Let's just keep going. It is Yeah, it feels like he's very much that It got quite tropey at that point. And I was like, yeah, I'm i'm here for it. This is funny. yeah but also like It does. It makes you laugh, I think. It's a tense sequence. you know The way Paul Bettany plays Dryden Vos is very scary because he's so charming. He does that thing, which is a bit of a trope for like a villain to be like super charming. And oh you think everything's fine, full sense of security. And then he's just...
01:21:25
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suddenly terrifying yeah and he's like just pass me one of the thing you know and you're like oh no oh no and we don't really know what's going on because we've not been told an audience what's gone on with the who's actually got it who's actually got it where is it what's happening We kind of know that Han's going to give it to the cloud riders. Yeah, the good people. The good people. But we don't know that for sure yet. We realise there's a gap. There is a definite like, oh, how did we get out of that situation suddenly being back on board the first light again? Yeah, yeah. I'm here for that. It's heisty. It's... That was good. I saw the Kira double cross happening from a mile off. I also did see the Beckett one happening as well. Did you? That one caught me out. I was like, there's been way too much talk here for him to not do a little...
01:22:26
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Do a little double cross. but So yeah, I kind of spotted that one. And I knew that the Kira one was going to happen, but I didn't know when it was going to happen. And it's kind of teased several times before it actually, like, you get to that point. But I was like, this is not, it's not going to be that easy. no she's she's off, basically. yeah She's not going to help him. I think what i love is that she kind of is...
01:22:50
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help it shes yeah she helps him yeah she saves him but then she's still She's saving him. from himself like he wants to be part of her world but she knows it would be terrible and she's right you know yeah he stays and stuck around he would get wrapped up in crimson dawn she knows mall you know yeah she knows where this is all going for her and it's nowhere good yeah and i think she does quite a sacrifice because she likes han you know i think she's into han in the same way that he's into her and it would have been very easy for her to sort of like say yeah come on then let's go i'll introduce you to my new boss or you know or my actual bo boss yeah yeah and we'll go do criminal things together but she knows it's awful it's an awful life she's done terrible things She pulls a little, but you're you're the good guy, you're nice.
01:23:35
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And I wrote it down as a little Crowley moment of I'm not nice and having this whole like... Yeah. The two of them are a little bit like yeah as a pair.
01:23:47
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They don't present like it. They're kind of almost plain looking the opposite of what they actually are. Han is doing his best to sort of look rugged and roguish. and She's like, no, you're the good guy. But he's actually the good guy. Yeah.
01:24:00
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And she looks like she might be the good person, but she's done some terrible things. Not from her choice. um is that She's just been dragged into this life. Well, I don't know. i don't know whether it is choice. It's a good question. We don't know where the choice is because it's never really said I think in terms of comics, there are a lot of comics that show a lot of all of this. A lot of what Keira's been up to. Yeah, the intervening years, basically, between them separating yeah and Han going off to the Academy.
01:24:31
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There's comics of all of that and what she was doing. I think see. And I think she's been, whether she was sold by the White Worms, you know, I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
01:24:42
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yeah It wasn't her choice, I don't think, to go into this. She's been bought and sold kind of thing almost. It did kind of tease that and I was like, I'm not sure how much to believe it. Yeah, but it's probably how it Some it's got to be her, like, yeah. But by this point, yeah, she's chosen to... She's chosen like she just killed Dryden Vos. She has an opportunity to run away. Yeah.
01:25:03
Speaker
But she chooses to let Han and stay there and... Yeah? Yeah. Go to see Maul on Dathomir. And if this is not the biggest cliffhanger end of the film... Yeah. Like... What is happening? Yeah. But we're now devoid of anything. And one of my favorite podcasts, the Resistance Broadcast, shout out to the Resistance Broadcast.
01:25:24
Speaker
They've been campaigning ever since really for Solo 2. They've got a hashtag. okay Make Solo 2 happen, which I've started to tag things every now and again because they obviously set this up. Yeah, yeah. yeah And I know we're going to get Maul, Shadow Lord, and yeah potentially that's going to be Solo 2. Yeah. And well, I'm here for that and I love Star Wars animation. It's going to be brilliant. I love it, but I would have loved to have seen it in live action. would have loved to have had Kira. Kira back.
01:25:53
Speaker
And because Han and Chewie go off to Tatooine follow that thread, you know, which is going to put them in with Jabba.
Winning the Millennium Falcon and Closing Announcements
01:26:01
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Yeah. I'd have loved to see all of that. And they've now got the cast. And we could have had Lando. Yeah.
01:26:07
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Still, it would have just been great. But sadly not yet. We'll see. Maybe, maybe. We will see. We'll see. Maybe we'll get it in some different form. That often happens in Star Wars that you Yeah.
01:26:19
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like Well, we didn't get it how we thought we were going to get it, but we're going to get it in a different way. Yeah, that's fair. There is like this whole bizarre scene with Han and Beckett after all of this. Oh, yeah, yeah. yeah Which I loved because Han shoots him and he's just like, yeah, fair play.
01:26:36
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yeah He's so chill about the fact that he's been murdered. Yeah. It quite a brutal end. It's very brutal. He's just so he's so calm about it. He's like, yeah, I would have killed you. Fair enough. Fair play.
01:26:50
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Carry on. As you were. Yeah, i mean, Beckett doesn't really do anything to redeem himself. He is just selfish and greedy. And Hans not vibing with that. No. But what he is vibing with is Hawaii in space. Yes.
01:27:08
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And another game of sabacc. but
01:27:14
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I'm to go off and do this now. yeah win the fal and Win the Falcon. the Falcon. Chewie's grown when he sees Hans Cards.
01:27:25
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It's just like Chewie at his most... I'm not sure who's playing Chewie at this point. I think it's the really tall actor who plays him in um The Rise of Skywalker. Yeah. And he's just got the mannerisms. like He obviously has studied Peter Mayhew's work from the original trilogy and he's just this physical light his yeah his physical acting.
01:27:47
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He's great. And again, go back and watch the whole thing, Imagining That Hands the Dog, because it's so good. Yeah. Yep. I can get that. She is the owner. She is just like, God, got to try and keep this man alive.
01:28:02
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It's a beautiful wrap up though. Hand catching out Lando for cheating. you Love it. Yeah. Love it Love Love it Great. ah Solo, a Star Wars story. i love it.
01:28:12
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I loved it as well actually. It's so good. I can't wait to watch it again. Like even though I only watched it a couple of days ago, i want to watch it again. I'm going to leave it a bit because it was this morning. Yeah. Yeah.
01:28:25
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But I will watch it again. It's very rewatchable. It's got a lot of fun in it. It's got fun. It's got intrigue. It's got romance. it's I need to go and make a tally chart of Easter eggs to see if I spot any more. Yeah, maybe I should do the same. like that Because I purposefully didn't. Because I didn't want to. I think already cluttered up this episode with way too many.
01:28:47
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I just had a jolly old time. Yeah. Oh my goodness, is it Christmas? Yeah. For people listening. Aww. is. Have nice holiday. Happy holidays, everybody. Sadly, you get a week off of Sisters of the Force. Just a week. You're just going to have to wait a whole week. But then the following week, the first week of January, first Monday of January,
01:29:08
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Check it out. We're coming back. who We're going to be delving into The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett. We're going to go all the way through the first two seasons of Mando, the whole of Book of Boba Fett, and then season three of Mando.
01:29:23
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yeah um We're generally going to be doing two episodes of TV per episode of the podcast, yeah except for season three of Mando, which we're going to do one episode per episode because we feel like it needs bit like that kind of level of detail yeah to see yeah if it's going to...
01:29:38
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give us anything that we can speculate that might be in the movie. We've got loads of guests coming in. So many lined up. Some of them you already know. We've got an amazing friend of mine, Sarah, who's coming in for this first couple of episodes of Mando in a couple of weeks' time. can't wait for her to bring her perspective to The Sisters of the Force. Exciting. In the meantime, if you're looking for last-minute Christmas present, our merch is now available. we've got merch. We have merch. If you go to any of our social media, Sisters of the Force pod on Insta and Facebook or Sisters of the Force on Blue Sky or Sisters of the Force on YouTube and go to our bio pages, you'll find link to our link tree and from there you can find our merch. We've got t-shirts.
01:30:26
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we got everything. We've stickers. Yeah. We've got backpacks. Absolutely everything. We've got notebooks. Clocks. what There's a clock. There's a clock. I think because our logo is round, it like lends itself to so many things. There's cushions for your sofa. i love that we've got a clock. I'm going to wind my family up so much this Christmas. It's going to be great. Me too.
01:30:52
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So yeah, check it out. Come and follow us on all the platforms. um Send us some messages if you've got any questions or suggestions or thoughts or just anything really Star Wars related. We're here for it. Send us memes. We like those too. We do love Star Wars memes.
01:31:09
Speaker
But we'll see you then in a couple of weeks. um Have a great time. Take care. Bye. Bye.
01:31:31
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Yay, Star Wars a solo story. Solo a Star Wars story gets... Should we do that again? Should we do that again? That's going on as a post... If we had post-credits outtakes, that one's happening. Yeah.