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Delving into THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT Chapters 1 and 2 | 019
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Join Branwen and Seah as they deep dive into all things Star Wars. Follow along as we fly off exploring all the wonders and geekery of a Galaxy Far, Far Away, chatting nostalgia, worlds, lore, sound, music, story, behind the scenes, and much more with each other and some very special guests.
This season, we're on a rewatch of The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett in the run-up to the release of The "Mandalorian and Grogu" in cinemas in May.
In our nineteenth episode we're side-stepping into the first two episodes of The Book of Boba Fett, Chapter 1 "Stranger in a Strange Land" and Chapter 2 "The Tribes of Tatooine". We talk about themes, performances, story details, Tuskens, Joseph Shirley's incredible score, psychedelic vision quests, classic Star Wars aliens, and much more. Watch out for our brand new segment "West End Geek Girls", which now has a little theme tune!
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00:00:15
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Sia. Hi. What's your favourite line from the Book of Boba Fett, Chapter 1 or Chapter 2? A lizard. Thank you. I shall let it guide me.
00:00:27
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Ha ha.
00:00:30
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Was on your list? That wasn't the one I was thinking that you were going to choose. ah But it absolutely makes sense. I just love how confused he looks when he's like...
00:00:42
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Cool, cool, cool, cool. Thanks for thanks for the lizard. Having no idea what's about to happen to him. Yeah, and the Tuskans probably have no perception of his slight response either, the nuance his body language.
00:00:59
Speaker
Branwen. Hello. What is your favourite line from the book of Boba Fett, chapter one or two? You can bring as many gladiators as you wish, but these are not the death pits of Dour and I'm not a sleeping Trandoshan guard. Nice. I did partially practice it with my best Boba impression this morning and then I bailed. Shame. Maybe by the time we get to the end of these episodes, we'll then. Yeah, I'll have my New Zealand accent on the
00:01:28
Speaker
You're listening to Sisters of the Force with me, Branwen. And me, Sia. Hello. We have no guests today. It's just us two. We're back to our lonesome. Back to our little lonesomes. But not for long, as you'll find out. We are going to be digging into the Book of Boba Fett. Yes.
00:01:45
Speaker
We're still in the same season, still technically technically in the Mandaverse podcast season. But we've now moved on to the Book of Boba Fett, as is chronologically appropriate to do.
00:01:58
Speaker
But we're sticking to the same two episode format. So we're doing chapter one, Stranger in a Strange Land, and chapter two, The Tribes of Tatooine. This is only the second time I've watched these episodes. Yeah. Which is the same as you. Yes. Except for my viewings were once two weeks ago, once today. Yeah.
00:02:16
Speaker
Whereas as mine were release date and today. Well, yesterday and the day before. I really loved watching these. like i have I don't know, there was a lot of negativity about The Book of Boba Fett at the time that it came out. See, I quite like my way of doing things because I bypass all that by not watching it at the time. You can respond to it in your own you know genuine way, which I love. I feel like I'm doing that now. I think i'm I'm detached from it and I've made my peace with the people who didn't like the fact that Mando turns up halfway through and takes over. Which i I loved at the time, but I felt a bit on an island because everybody else seemed to not like that. Okay, interesting. yeah Yeah, I can kind of see it, but also I've essentially binge-watched all of these things. so Yes, yeah. I like having that continuation of story. Yeah, I mean, it it is one big story at the end of the day. like These characters crop up in each other's shows, and that's how I see it. But we can talk more about that when we get chapter five. Yeah.
00:03:17
Speaker
But these first two, especially the second one, is an amazing episode. yeah I was just listening to Blast Points, which is a podcast I've recently got into a lot. I do love them. They're a bit like Rhett and Link. do you know Rhett and Link YouTubers? Yeah. I like them, but Star Wars, if you know what i mean.
00:03:34
Speaker
Cool. Okay. So they're funny. They're quite into like vintage Star Wars. yeah They know their stuff. or really really enjoy their kind of deep dives and stuff. But they mentioned literally 10 minutes before connecting to Zencastr this evening. yeah They were talking about the tribes of Tatooine and how it should be like, we should have a national holiday every year for everyone to watch it. yeah I totally get what I mean. It's such a deep episode. It is. There's a lot going on in that episode.
00:04:00
Speaker
Yeah. How did you feel about the fact that it's like this kind of dual story? Do you know, I really enjoyed it. And I really love the... Just like we kind of had in Mando, we had the Armourer brings back flashbacks. We've now got a Bacta pod that brings back flashbacks. Yeah, I didn't think of that. Yeah, it's like another... Flashback ya Whenever Bob is in his bacta tank, you know we're about to have a flashback. Absolutely. The cinematography of it, like it goes, when we first go into the flashback, it's got a completely different quality that evens out over the length of it. Yeah, it goes really grainy.
00:04:37
Speaker
I really like it. I like... I love Boba Fett. I really like him as a character. And I've always really liked him, ah probably because my mum really likes him. So when I was a kid, it was more to do with her really liking him.
00:04:51
Speaker
I also do. Interesting. But then like getting to see how he got to where we meet him in Mando was great. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah, I very much... Relate to that, actually. i I didn't have a great attachment to him. I liked him, you know, as what little we saw of him anyway. Yeah. Because there was quite a lot about him in the old expanded universe that's now Legends. And yeah I dipped into some of that. There was a game called Shadows of the Empire. there's a whole like storytelling thing with books and i think comics and a computer game all part of the Shadows there. And he was involved in that. And there were quite a few other Bounty Hunter threads. Okay. So i kind of liked him. Yeah. Yeah. And then when I saw this show, I fell in love with him. yeah like What they did with his character is partly, I think, what upset a lot of fans because they wanted him to be this ruthless, cold guy. And actually quite warm. yeah yeah he's like
00:05:46
Speaker
He's a kind of wanting to fix things. wants to rule with respect. Yes, that was my other line. Actually, no, it wasn't my other line. My other line was, your lives are a gesture of our civility, which I felt summed up his whole ethos. His whole thing. Like, yeah he ain't bad, he ain't good, he's just boba. Yeah, yeah. But he does respect and he responds to respect, think. Yeah.
00:06:10
Speaker
it's interesting yeah the the whole kind of dual storytelling thing I really like in lots of different things I was thinking about ah the original His Dark Materials trilogy and book two especially flips back between Lyra and Will's story and each chapter has got a little icon that tells you which one you're in and I loved that like and seeing how stories affect each other. Those are happening concurrently, whereas this is obviously more of a common trick where you've got like two past and timeline and things. yeah But I felt like it was each story was sort of informing the other in a way. Obviously more the past one is informing what's happening in the present. But I like how when they drop things into the past bit, so that it' it's very deliberate what order they're telling you the past stuff in to get to the present stuff. yeah I mean, I've binge watched the whole thing in the last week, so. You're very close to it. I'm on it. I'm close. I'm here. This is what we need. I won't tell you about the binge watching of other things as well because I'm so i'm so confused.
00:07:17
Speaker
let's See, yeah that is a challenge of watching multiple things. Sometimes me and my parents who I share a house with and we watch quite a lot of shows concurrently and people like, how do you cope? And i'm like, we don't. You don't, yeah. like I ah can't remember character names half the time. This is why I always watch the recaps because need the recaps. don't remember any of this happening. Did you watch this? High recommend though, Tangent,
00:07:38
Speaker
High recommend for anyone, especially in the winter. i started doing this last year with the wonderful Mary, who is coming on the podcast soon. In about a couple of weeks time. In a couple of weeks time. Oh my God. So excited. But I started doing this with her last year where I would go over and hang out and we'd binge watch.
00:07:58
Speaker
stuff together. yeah yeah And then now we've got the wonderful Jessica who was on the show last week and will be back again many times. She's great. We're doing that this year. We're sitting down and binge watching Andor together because she's right that I need to. But...
00:08:16
Speaker
It does mean that I'm confused. Yeah. Because I've got Andor, Book of Boba Fett, the book that I'm reading and like my own shows that I watch. So I'm just, I'm just confused. Overwhelmed with like hundreds of characters.
00:08:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. and Where are we in the timeline? I don't know That's why I'm going with it. That's fine. but Yeah, that's true. I mean, I i that feel this at least this only has two eras that we're dealing with, which makes it quite manageable, I think.
00:08:46
Speaker
yeah and And the past one is very, very specific, yeah at least at the moment anyway. It's really like focusing on this... Tuscan Raider story, yeah which is really easy to kind of connect with and follow get into each time where we're shown. And it's just fascinating, yeah not just about how Boba evolved as a character, but also how the Tuscans, you know, we don't know much about the Tuscans, or at least we didn't until this, but this has really informed us a lot about their culture and about their reasons for being who they are.
00:09:21
Speaker
Super interesting. Really interesting. at The first sequence that we have has just got an amazing musical opening for the whole show. yeah That's my first note was just like, whoa, as soon as you're dropped into this universe, the music is wild. We've got flashbacks, we've got choirs, we've got strings, we've got so much going on just in that first couple of seconds. Yeah, it's like a whole kind of montage. It's probably the most intense sort of visual montage yeah of the whole
00:09:53
Speaker
of Book of Urbifat I should think yeah there are a lot of montages though love a montage yeah we do love some montages yeah There are multiples in these two episodes.
00:10:03
Speaker
Yeah, the music. Let's just talk about it. My first note was about the music. I wrote the same thing. the music at the top of the episode is awesome. There's this is kind of droney, intense build into this sequence.
00:10:16
Speaker
is Ludwig is composing. Yes. But somebody else is scoring. Scoring, yes. And I've written down their name. Woohoo. Joseph Shirley. Joseph Shirley. I looked up Joseph Shirley and there's not a lot of info about him. Oh, interesting. But I'm guessing he's part of Ludwig's team. he's i think we've talked about this before where like a lead composer yeah like Hans Zimmer or John Williams or whoever will have like a team of people that tend to be orchestrators and and do a lot of the kind of like...
00:10:47
Speaker
laborious work yeah yeah of arranging the themes but then they will gradually be handed tv episodes to compose for and then whole tv series is to compose for and gradually they build their careers out of that i was wondering in these two episodes if i don't actually prefer the themes and the tunes in this to the mando i mean the mando ones are so iconic Yeah.
00:11:12
Speaker
And we've heard them so much. And there's some amazing score work yeah in Mando that's unsurpassed. Some of the themes in this are great. The kind of main Boba thing, which we keep coming back to with the big voice thing. And it's very... we were talking about this a few weeks ago. I think it was in the um episode where Boba turns up with Fennec on Tython. Yeah. And how...
00:11:36
Speaker
It's got ah like an Antipodean, you know, down under vibe to it. And we're not sure how specific to New Zealand it is, but I know Tamara Morrison is like, you know, he's brought a lot of New Zealand into his performance, if you like. I mean, if you look at that final sequence of episode two that we'll get to, right at the very other end of this block that we're talking about. There's that whole kind of movement routine around the campfire, which is clearly inspired by kind of Maori traditions. Yeah, yeah.
00:12:06
Speaker
He's brought that in, I think, as an actor. And I seem to remember hearing about them like collaborating with the movement director or yeah choreographer or whatever. Oh, cool. So i think sonically and visually, there's a lot of him in this show. Yeah.
00:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. Oh, it's so good. The theme is amazing. It's just yeah as soon as you get voices in there. yeah Yeah. I'm a fan of a choir. My second note, because this is we're still in the flashback right at the beginning, We've got a lot to say about this flashback.
00:12:39
Speaker
Slimy. Slimy? Yay, slimy. We get the sound design of the inside of a sarlacc pit. Hey, wait, hey, wait, hey, wait, hey, wait. We've got to talk about this Camino stuff. oh Oh, I forgot.
00:12:52
Speaker
Yeah. There's shots of Boba holding Jango's... Helmet. Head. Yes. Well... Oh, yeah, his head was in it! In Attack of the Clones. On the Cashman episode of Attack of the Clones. Yeah, like, was the head in it?
00:13:07
Speaker
I don't know. I'd like to think not, but... guess Hopefully not. That's one way to traumatise a child, isn't it? Good. Here we go. I think the first time I watched this, I just kind of like, oh wow, it's, you know, the Camino. Well, there was a bit on Camino and then it was the Geonosian Arena. Yes.
00:13:22
Speaker
And it was the Geonosian Arena stuff that caught my eye today because I was thinking... Hang on a minute. how This isn't the same footage as in Attack of the Clones. Is it not? No. i thought it was. oh None of it is quite the same. Oh. So they used a couple of shots. The wide shots, there's two of them. There's one where the camera's like moving up, I think, yeah like rising up above it. And then there's another one which I think is might have been the same shot, like a similar wide shot. They're different from the wide shot that we see in Attack of the Clones, slightly different.
00:13:53
Speaker
They're like different takes or different footage that they obviously filmed at the time. Right. And then there's a close-up over the shoulder and we see his face reflected in the helmet. Yeah. That's new footage. Oh. And I don't know how they did it.
00:14:09
Speaker
Because obviously the actor who played Boba back then is now an adult. Would have been like my age. Yeah. Maybe older than me. Yeah, yeah, potentially, yeah.
00:14:22
Speaker
Wild. So some trickery went on. Some trickery. bring us that. Some film trickery. Yeah, I mean, obviously the Kamino stuff, they can just reanimate yeah sure the seas of Kamino. They've got like the 3D models and everything they need for that. yeah but the geonosian arena was a lot more practical and yeah interesting just like a little nerdy kind of little nerdy little nerdy bit how do they do this but yeah sorry the sarlacc let's get to the sarlacc because this is super fun i love it
00:14:54
Speaker
So it turns out Beskar isn't too badly affected by stomach juices. clearly not. Paint on Beskar maybe, but not the Beskar itself. Whereas Stormtrooper armour, whatever that's made out of Well, Stormtrooper armour is bad. Rubbish, yeah.
00:15:10
Speaker
ah We have seen multiple instances of Stormtrooper armour being decimated. by various things i mean I think a lot of people were very excited about this sequence because for years we've been speculating that Boba didn't die. It's kind of like a a given in the Star Wars universe, pre-Disney and post-Disney. Sarlacc cannot take out Boba. That's not a how this works. But there's a particular episode of Parks and Recreation oh yeah that came out in 2013. So okay a long time before this was even a twinkle in Jon Favreau's eye. yeah And I'm going to play you a little bit of Patton Oswalt, who okay guested in this episode. I think he might have been in a few episodes of Parks and Rec, but he wasn't a recurring character. He was just like occasionally in it.
00:16:00
Speaker
And he does this very now famous improv in a scene in an episode called Article Two. And he's trying to hold up the town council's like thing that they're trying to pass. So he does what's called a filibuster, which most people in the UK aren't so familiar with. But in US politics, it's where you can just take to the floor and you can just keep talking. yeah And as long as you keep talking for a certain amount of time, then it delays or prevents like things being passed. um That's my understanding of it anyway. yeah So he improv'd a whole 10-minute monologue about Star Wars and Marvel. And the beginning bit I'm going to play you Pan down from the twin sons of Tatooine. We are now close on the mouth of the Sarlacc pit. After a beat, the gloved Mandalorian armor gauntlet of Boba Fett.
00:16:53
Speaker
grabs onto the sand outside the Sarlacc pit, and the feared bounty hunter pulls himself from the maw of the sand beast. This is exactly... And we realize ah that he survived his fall during the battle at Jabba's palace ship. Then do a hard cut...
00:17:11
Speaker
ah Incredible. Absolutely. great So I think this is his pitch for The Force Awakens. Right. I don't think The Force Awakens had been announced even maybe. Oh, okay. But I think the Disney takeover had been. and I think this is what he was doing a meta way the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Parks and Rec is sort of like a present day show. so he was like, well, Star Wars exists in the Parks and Rec universe. Yeah, yeah. So doing We can have this, like, I'm just going to pitch how The Force Awakens should start. Yeah. Incredible. It's not a bad opening. Not bad opening, not a million miles from this sequence. And I'm pretty sure he... I think he's friends with Jon Favreau anyway. Okay, right. I'm sure the whole thing... Because he's in Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., yeah which is part of the Marvel Universe, and Jon Favreau directed Iron Man. Sure. There's a whole... connection yeah so so so yeah like parks and rec star wars crossover fans were laughing their heads off including me when that happened when this first aired there is quite a lot of him that's not covered in best car though yeah so yes
00:18:34
Speaker
And I mean, he comes out not looking good, as you wouldn't. but And doesn't he go back in a later episode to get... Yes, he goes back in. To get what, though?
00:18:44
Speaker
To find his armour, because he thinks his armour's down there. Oh, because the Jawas take it him. Jawas stole his armour, so that he came out, he got out fully armoured, and then he lay down, and then he passed out, and then the Jawas came and nicked his armour. Yeah. So he went back into the Sarlacc pit looking for the armour before he realised that Mando had it. this is that I couldn't remember that. Ah, this binge watching it last week. This is helpful.
00:19:09
Speaker
I've not seen it for several years now, as we'll continue to discover. We got some familiar Jawa lingo, but without Ootini, which i thought was notable because normally every time there's Jawas, we get Ootini. We get one later, but not in the first bit. Yeah, not in this bit. They managed to resist. They resisted.
00:19:29
Speaker
We get lot those ooh, ooh, ooh. They do these little ooh sounds. Yes. Which is so cute. But then he gets found by the Tuscans. Which at first doesn't go well for him, really. No, not at all. Did he have maggots crawling out of his shirt one point?
00:19:47
Speaker
doesn't look great. he's No. He's really not looking great. But also they make him walk behind the Banthas. And this is where we start to get his theme yeah as he's like on this. Yeah, those...
00:19:59
Speaker
Beautiful journey shot. Just quiet hit things. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Banthas notably riding single file. Yeah. Which is what they do to hide their numbers, according to Ben Kenobi. Yeah.
00:20:11
Speaker
And it was quite interesting to get some like point of view shots of Boba. There's just a couple, i guess, to show us how he's feeling. Oh, yeah. And he's he's wobbling out. Yeah. my double vision and yeah which is not something we've had a lot of.
00:20:26
Speaker
ah suppose we've had like point of view inside Mando's helmet. Yeah. We haven't had a lot of point of view stuff. and you can see his hands tied in front of him and stuff yeah all of that. yeah He is looking pretty good for someone who's a prisoner and has just crawled out of a Sarnak pit. We don't know long he was in Sarnak pit, but some time. Yeah.
00:20:47
Speaker
Yeah, he's pretty tough. He's clearly, i guess that's part of what this part of the story is, is showing us his resilience yeah and his like hunger for life for whatever reason. Yes.
00:21:01
Speaker
We're quickly introduced to a red Rodian, which yes intrigued me. I've never heard of Rodians being... other than green i think although maybe when we come to re-watch rebels maybe interesting i mean my words oh i didn't even didn't even twig twi'leks are often different colors like there's all different color twi'leks but i don't think i'd log the rodian thing i'm sure there's loads of listeners now going of course there's different color rodians didn't you watch rebels but yeah was notable. I guess it's the first Rodian in live action that we've seen that isn't green. Okay. and We haven't seen many in live action and the ones we've had of ah most of what sticks in our minds is Greedo because we've seen A New Hope so many times. We know what Greedo looks like.
00:21:49
Speaker
Then we have a little Tuscan duel. Yeah. We're definitely bested. Yeah. But to be fair, he did just call out the Sarlacc pit. and She is amazing. She's played by a stuntwoman called Joanna Bennett.
00:22:02
Speaker
Got to give her a name check. So is this the one who's trains him later. I'm pretty sure it is, yeah. yeah i think I assumed it was. don't know. yeah It was quite early on. It was our first look at any of them in any detail. so Yeah, yeah.
00:22:15
Speaker
And she's got kind of um kind of longer fabric around her head. Yeah, yeah. Because I did have a note being like, who is this, please? Yeah. Because especially in the next episode. I think it stands to reason that it would be her. It's like they go on a journey together yeah of her absolutely besting him yeah to him becoming the warrior that he you know he's learned his Tuscan warrior skills.
00:22:40
Speaker
Sure. I noticed the bits with the massive, the dogs. Yes. Something about the way they use the sound design. Obviously, the dog sounds a sound design. I mean, the dogs are, I presume they're CGI.
00:22:53
Speaker
But the way they place creature sounds, it really struck me how clever they are with the acoustics. Because we're in a desert which has quite a specific acoustic. Yeah. It's not obvious. It's very subtle.
00:23:05
Speaker
But the child, Tuscan, and the dog were in a scene together. Yeah. And the dog growls and noises really matched with the kid's voice. And it just felt, from a sound geek point of view, yeah like they've obviously done a lot of work.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah. To get that to happen. Yeah. Nobody will notice. Like it's the best sound work is goes unnoticed. Stuff that no one notices. Well, that's it. I spend so long fiddling with little things to make them sound yeah like you wouldn't notice. It's it's frustrating. if somebody notices your work, you've been doing it wrong. Yeah, exactly. Because it'll pull you out of it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:45
Speaker
But this was really noticeable. I thought it was really cool. Yeah. Yeah. So then we have a jump into present. Our first flip into present day. First bit present day. And we've got a dramatic music dressing montage. Yeah. Love it. He's got little arcade buttons, arcade game buttons inside the tank.
00:24:04
Speaker
So I've written down that these droids are a cross between droids. Oh, yeah. There's a droid from Bad Batch called the AZ Surgical Assistant Droid, which works on Kamino and helps with the clones yeah and floats. ah So it's not on a wheel.
00:24:23
Speaker
Neither of those droids are on a wheel. I'm sure there's a single wheel droid that's in the back of my mind. There a single wheel droid that I've seen recently, which means it's probably Booker Boba Vapur. I'm not sure where. i don't know. it feels like prequely to me. But anyway, somewhere there's a single-wheel There single-wheel droid, yeah. Maybe later on.
00:24:42
Speaker
But they're very pit droidy. And yet I guess the combination of pit droids that are kind of fixing machinery and surgical assistant droids, which is kind of what you would want in this situation, the combination of two is quite boba. Yeah.
00:24:59
Speaker
This ridiculous scene of ah the kind of different representatives from Mossesburg coming to pay their tribute. This had one of my other favourite lines, which I was going to use which was, what? I'm the crime lord. He's supposed to pay me.
00:25:19
Speaker
The misunderstanding of that was so... like and This whole thing went from quite normal to ridiculous in the possible. The Aqualish comes on first and does what you'd expect. and yeah you know Then the Trandoshans come An interesting point about Trandoshans, they brought a Wookiee pelt. Yes, I saw that. Trandoshans and Wookiees, they come from the same system, I think. Ah,
00:25:45
Speaker
I can't remember the name of the planet that Trandoshans are from. Interesting. Trandoshans hunt Wookiees for fun. Oh, that's horrible. It's pretty brutal. We'll find out more about that in The Clone Wars. Oh, believe. So there's this ongoing, you know, rift between Trandoshans and Wookiees. So the fact that there is a Wookiee turning up in this show in a bit, maybe you can track that relationship. I mean, and I know how this ends. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah.
00:26:15
Speaker
Yeah, so he's there they're kind of fairly okay with their tribute that they bring. Yeah. But then, yeah, this guy. This guy. Who is this guy? i know he's the guy he's from the mayor's office. Yeah, he's like the mayor's majordomo. And later on we get some great, yeah great, great stuff from him. but He's a real like... Who is this guy? I don't know, like refined banter, if that makes sense. Yeah. It's banter, but it's posh. He went to uni for it. He basically he says it later on.
00:26:49
Speaker
Yes. He was educated to do this. He does give us m'lady in this scene. i think he's still a of panic. Which made me remember all that stuff about Palpatine. I think that was Attack of the Clones. It was Attack of the Clones. That's the one episode of ours that I've listened to. Don't admit that your own podcast. Strike it from the record. Yeah, the kind of realisation...
00:27:15
Speaker
of the situation the fact that he's actually come to collect a tribute rather than bring one Boba sort of catching on i think Fennec figures it out a lot quicker yeah she just goes shall I kill him yeah I like her line, Lord Fett offers the gift of your leave unmolested. Yes.
00:27:36
Speaker
So good. Which I think he throws back at them in episode two, seem to remember. Yeah, he does. Yeah, I just love all of this politics. It feels like Mos Espa is not as rough and tumble as Mos Eisley.
00:27:50
Speaker
Like it's yeah not so much of a hive of scum and villainy. Yeah. It has got scum villainy there, evidently, but it's a bit more refined. It has a mare. I can't imagine Mos Eisley having a mare. Or if it is, the mare is some awful criminal as well. That was my my next note was Mos Eisper's looking good. They go for a little wander through Mos Eisper. It looks great. Yeah, it's doing all right. And I think it's the the balance feels...
00:28:16
Speaker
in jeopardy because of Boba, I guess, is what the situation is. or at least that's what the other kind of syndicates or families or whatever they are, you know, the Trandoshans and the Akralish and the mayor's office, they're all like really aware of this delicate thing. And I suspect that since Jabba died,
00:28:33
Speaker
Bib Fortuna was probably fairly ineffectual from a few things that get said in these episodes. Yeah. And so the the prospect of having a kind of doer stepping in, you know, somebody with a kind of a mission in a way is just makes them all feel quite nervous. Yes. Yeah. And he won't do things their way either. He's doing things his way. absolutely wants to do it his way. Yeah.
00:28:59
Speaker
yeah So we go and meet Garza Fwip. Oh, Garza Fwip. Whom love. Me too. She's just like one of my favourite characters ever. She's great. I mean, Jennifer Beals, who's Flashdance, like, yeah what a woman. She just plays it so well. She just does not take any rubbish. She's ah just so cool and collected all the time. and She's great. Yeah, Justice Vergara, I say. Spoiler alert if you've not watched all of it yet. She's amazing. And we get her other Twi'leks as well. Yeah.
00:29:37
Speaker
Can we shine your helmets? Can we um talk about this bonus episode that we've got planned? i don't know if we've mentioned it on the podcast yet. Yes. With our friends Ollie and Meg. We're going to re-watch. I think we did mention it back in the very early days of the podcast that we were going to do a re-watch of a classic 70s sci-fi. Logan's Run. Logan's Run, as I'm sure. Yeah.
00:30:02
Speaker
It has a lot of this kind of vibe to it. Yeah, sure. These people are just here for your pleasure. Yeah, yeah. You just want these kind of scantily clad Twi'leks to... Yeah, to come and shine your helmet and fill it with coins. So funny. Fill it with credits. Would you like your Gamorreans hosed down and flung?
00:30:22
Speaker
Like the way she delivers that line so... Deadpan. Absolutely spot on. There's a lot of talk about litters and Boba says I walk on my own two feet, which is obviously a setup for what happens in chapter two. Yeah.
00:30:40
Speaker
But yeah, this whole thing of like the pomp and circumstance of the different families. The time you're supposed to be on a litter, you're supposed to be carried, you're supposed to be, yeah.
00:30:51
Speaker
I love the way this is all told, like the kind of events are kind of neither here nor there in a way. It's all just like cluing us in yeah as to what is the situation in Mos Espa at the moment. yeah At first, it all seems, as we're seeing in this first episode, like it's all doing quite well. Yeah. But ultimately, not really. It is a bit of a powder keg that's going to go off any moment.
00:31:13
Speaker
There's a lot happening. Yeah. So yeah, they get their helmets back. Yeah, full full of credits. so Of course. is that their tribute? Is that their bribery? What's happening? Something like that. I think it's Sanctuary.
00:31:28
Speaker
Garza's paying for Sanctuary to sort of say, just leave us alone. Leave us alone. Let's do what we do. yeah Which I think she's probably successfully done that. Completely fine. Yeah. And then... Yeah. Ninjas. Yeah.
00:31:41
Speaker
Yeah. Ninjas. These kind of assassins. Assassins. That really challenge them, I think. Especially as the Grimorians come in to help, living up to their reputation as great warriors and committing themselves to pogra. I had a note about this whole little fight scene that goes on here.
00:31:59
Speaker
Yeah. The sound design of the fight itself is like so exaggerated and so comic book. Oh, wow. Like all of the sounds are really kind of onomatopoeic. You know, when you're reading a comic and you have the the bubbles come up, like yeah that's what it sounded like to me. It was amazing. Cool. And I haven't heard like, obviously all the all of the fights are sound design, but like this just felt like an extra like heightened thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:28
Speaker
That would track. I mean, this does feel a bit like a comic, this whole thing. And i mean, there are comic characters coming in yeah later on, spoiler alert. Yeah, it does have that overall feel to it. So that would track. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it is all quite heightened. Like, Tamara plays Bubba big. You know, he gives him like a lot of character. he he doesn't like overdo it in a way, but like he he brings a lot to the character. Yeah.
00:32:54
Speaker
A lot of kind of grandiose characters. Yeah, which feels quite comic book-y in a way. Maybe there is like a comic book post-it note on there yeah yeah writers on the writer's room. And then we get this incredible parkour montage. Excuse me.
00:33:13
Speaker
We have a Wilhelm. Yeah, we do. I noticed a Wilhelm. We do. I actually noticed it. I wrote it in capital letters. was so excited. I mean, it was, I think you may have mentioned it last episode, actually. It's the biggest Wilhelm I've ever heard. Yeah. but There is. One of the assassins. Yeah.
00:33:37
Speaker
Parkour. Parkour, which always makes sense of the office. Yeah. Yeah, Fennec is pretty amazing. Fennec is nuts. She's just like... She is off. Yeah. And he just goes, alive. Yeah.
00:33:53
Speaker
Which she struggles with to the point where she wastes one of them. Yeah, she catches the two and then just goes, yeah. can go, I'll push you off. We only need one. We'll keep one alive. The one that she does keep alive has really impressive eyebrows. Yeah, he's very creepy.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah. And the Grimorians take Boba back into his back tank. well, he gets injured, so he needs to go and have some more flashbacks. He's got another dream. Yeah. Another fever dream. So we get more with this kid, Tuscan.
00:34:22
Speaker
Yes. Which I found super interesting, like Tuscan kids. Not just the men, but the women and the children, too. Yeah, we've only seen the Tuscan children being murdered. Slaughtered, yeah. By Anakin, which is not great.
00:34:35
Speaker
No, not great. But we're also introduced to the speeder bike gang. Yeah, I've called them a swoop gang. Like swoop i yeah on Wikipedia, they, Wikipedia, on Wikipedia, I can't even say it now. On Wikipedia, they call them a speeder bike gang. But this is, if you're going to have swoop gangs at all, and I demand we have swoop gangs. Swoop gangs, yeah. This is a swoop gang. This is a swoop gang, yeah. Like they feel like they're a bit more low slung, the bikes. Yeah, yeah.
00:35:01
Speaker
I know where I'm getting speeder bike gang from though. It's a line later on. Is it? Well, I think to be fair, they are referred to as a speeder bike gang. I'm just claiming it as a swoop gang. Yeah, fair. Because don't have any others and I want some because I it. That's fair.
00:35:15
Speaker
that but So these guys are the Kintanstriders or the Kintanstriders. Okay. I don't know if we hear the name later. Swoopgang. I don't know. But they've got that symbol that they spray on the wall. They've basically trashed a homestead. Yeah. Which is bit brutal.
00:35:32
Speaker
ah Then Nikto, the species, I think, which are – Okay. Remember we had that conversation about Klatu, Barato, Nikto. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're another species. Nikto are often part of like the criminal underworld. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:46
Speaker
So that's where we learn about this swoop gang to start with. And then we've this whole Rodian and Boba being made to dig for the black melons. Yeah. Which apparently live in the sand. Yeah. I guess they're like, it reminds me of kind of cacti. Yeah. Like how if you're in the desert, there are some cacti that you can drink water from. Yeah. Yeah. During this whole thing with the rhodium, we do hear the rhodium drop a sleemo, which is one of the swear words that we hear in Phantom Menace between Anakin and Sebulba. Nice. Which I think in the subtitles of the pod race, I think it just means slime ball or something like that. Okay, yeah. Which kind of tracks most part. Sounds a bit like the English word. A bit like that, yeah. Yeah. And this absolutely bizarre encounter with this sand beast thing.
00:36:38
Speaker
What is this? oh dear, creep we've dug up a monster. It's got like four arms or something. Yeah, its well it's got two arms and two legs and then two that it uses either as arms or legs. Which is which really disturbing. Creepy.
00:36:54
Speaker
Yeah. Really creepy. The animation really reminded me of, have you come across Ray Harryhausen? No. He did like stop motion animation in the 60s, 70s and 80s for like Sinbad and Jason and the Argonauts. Oh, yeah. Sure, sure. Clash of the Titans and that. And it's that stop motion which Star Wars then carried on with in Return the Jedi and then Empire Strikes Back with like the walkers and the tauntauns and stuff. with That kind of like creature animation.
00:37:22
Speaker
It felt like that, which we've mentioned. It with In terms of IG in Mandalorian, like the way IG moves has got that like a slightly low frame rate almost. It looks like like the show will be shot at 24 frames a second as film has been since whenever. But when they animate, they often animate a lower frame rate, like half, maybe 12 frames a second yeah because it saves loads of time. Yeah. But it does leave you with that slightly jerky thing where your eyes can detect the movement. And I feel that with both IG and this creature, they purposefully done that. Kind of done that, yeah. Even though they obviously don't have to nowadays because they've got much bigger budgets and better technology. but
00:38:03
Speaker
It's a really, really creepy thing. I did have a question. Do we know what it is? yeah I don't think so. No, I think on Wikipedia it's called a sand creature or a sand beast or something. I instinctively wrote down sand beast, so I feel like I've looked it up okay somewhere. Somewhere before. Yeah. Terrifying to dig that up.
00:38:23
Speaker
Pretty rough. Absolutely not. But Boba does ah his best Leia impression. he does. Yeah, I wrote that down as well. um Very much. Yeah.
00:38:35
Speaker
But i love the kind of politics of him letting the kid take the credit. Yeah. But the chieftain just gives him this look. And even through the Tuscan mask, you can see him kind of yeah acknowledge, oh, yeah, I get what you're doing here. And he gives him some water. And it's yeah yeah the end of the episode. And that's that.
00:38:54
Speaker
Yeah. He's earned their respect by yeah giving their child the head of a beast. See, that is a lush arc for a character throughout one episode. you know we've It's very economical in the way it tells the story to go from digging his way out and he's now like a stranger in strange land, lost on Tatooine nothing. Yeah. to now he's a prisoner still, but he's very much more part of a tribe. and yes yeah He's kind of earned his place. Yeah. yeah
00:39:26
Speaker
It's cool. Interesting. Yeah. We might well straight on because it pretty much continues. pretty much goes straight on. Yeah. So this one, we didn't mention that Robert Rodriguez directed the first one.
00:39:38
Speaker
He's the guy that directed the Boba episode of Mando. Yes. The tragedy, I think the name was the episode. Yeah. So he obviously has this kind of, yeah, connection with Boba. And I think he directs another one, maybe the finale or later on down. I can't remember, but there is. the season somewhere, yeah. This is directed by Steph Green, who has gone to direct some Ahsoka as well. And she's, apart from being a woman director, which we need more of, please. Yes, please. she's directed quite a lot TV stuff she directed an episode of Luke Cage which is a Marvel show that love I must go back and re-watch that at some point it's super good the music how will you ever have time what about all the plots you're keeping in your head it's so hard
00:40:21
Speaker
Yeah, but she yeah she's amazing. And this episode, as I said at the beginning, is such an incredible episode. yeah And a lot of that is the directing, I feel. like She just manages to keep us afloat in these two different time periods so well. And we absolutely...
00:40:38
Speaker
get a sense of what's going on all the time whichever one we're in it's but we're kind of am I right in thinking we kind of spend the first bit of this episode in the present and then we spend the majority of it in the past yeah yeah yeah yeah we're not really jumping around as much yeah it's just an a and a b isn't it yeah which is interesting because to me it felt like we were still going backwards and forwards but maybe that's because I've watched both episodes quite close together quite close together yeah yeah I think that was the way to go when they released this. I think part of the reason they had a bit of backlash and some of it was from the typical fandom menace, you know, people just love to complain. But some of it was from some of the actual more real fans as well. And I think it's because they only released the first episode the first week interesting. So all you had was that episode that we just talked through, which is cool, yeah but I think it left fans feeling a bit like, what is this? Yeah. Whereas if they'd released both episodes. Both episodes at the same time. That's quite interesting because obviously in preparation for this, I watched both episodes this morning, but I also watched them time I watched them.
00:41:47
Speaker
And then I paused yeah and then I watched all the rest of them. Interesting. In one mean, there's probably something about the way that we're doing these TV shows that we've been doing two episodes per episode. Yeah. That like I've now, my brain is starting to think in two episode blocks kind of thing. It's going to be interesting when we go back to Mando in a few weeks time and we're doing one episode. One episode, yeah, sure. Yeah. Spoiler alert for our show. Yeah.
00:42:17
Speaker
But yeah, i feel like these two episodes go together because they basically take us to the point at the end of this one where he's part the tribe and that's the big arc. Yeah. The first arc that we've just mentioned is like him becoming upseted accepted by them, perhaps beyond being just a prisoner too yeah yeah to being a ah fully... Fully member of the tribe. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, at first we're in we're in present day for our yeah but present day business. Amazing opening shot.
00:42:44
Speaker
Oh, some lush new views of the palace that we've not seen before. How, like, i can't... Because in Return the Jedi, yeah those shots that we saw of Jabba's palace, I think we only saw two angles of it. Yeah. And they were both paintings, matte paintings. So...
00:43:02
Speaker
Did they do some new matte paintings? Did they three d render Jabba's Palace based on the original paintings? I'm super curious. It's probably in the making of Telus.
00:43:14
Speaker
But it does look amazing. It does look amazing. We're instantly in with ah the assassin that they did let live. Yeah. I remember what they're called. They're the Assassins of the Nightwind or something. Is that what they're called? Yeah, it's something to do with Nightwind. That sounds right.
00:43:29
Speaker
He drops an Ichuta, which is a Huttese swear word. yeah Bizarrely, I was thinking I must have known it from Jabba's Palace the in Return of the Jedi, but it's on Cloud City in Empire Strikes Back when 3PO goes into that room and he wanders off and he comes across another protocol droid. The protocol droid says Ichuta at him. To him.
00:43:54
Speaker
Ah, interesting. Just before 3PO gets blown up by him. presumably Stormtroopers. So why they that droid was speaking Hatties.
00:44:04
Speaker
But Hatties is spoken widely. Widely, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so. We spared your life after you tried to take mine, and now you curse me? yeah what a line yeah order of the night wind i found it order of the night wind night there we go i went assassins of night wind but yeah order of the night wind perfect uh yeah they're trying to get him to tell them what goes on which he's not gonna do he's not gonna do he's not gonna do at all so they drop him in the rancor pit yeah fennie tries to insult him saying they're just people in hoods yeah
00:44:38
Speaker
which is quite cold she's not having it no i like fennec me too she's one of my faves but yeah the rankle pit yeah and ran that but just just the idea of the rankle is enough make that was enough yeah spills the beans there is no it's empty yeah there's a rat in there and so yeah we're off to see the mayor mock shays yeah I love Moksha. So do I. Should we have this now? might as well have
00:45:12
Speaker
I kind of figure with West End Geek Girls, which is our little feature where we look back at the original Star Wars role-playing game, which is where a lot of this lore came from originally, names of things and so on.
00:45:24
Speaker
I feel like for the Book of Boba Fett, it's probably going to be about the species. Yeah, there's lots of species. Because one of the things that the role-playing game did was name these species, because before that, we only had these silly names that they gave them for like the Star Wars figures, like Hammerhead in the case of...
00:45:41
Speaker
what we're about to talk about. yeah So yeah, they named Rhodians and Sullistons, which I'm not sure about Sullistons, they might have been named by. Already. Yeah. But many of these aliens that we see on Tatooine particularly named by the creators of the role-playing game. So I thought we'd have I-Thorians because the mayor is an I-Thorian. Yeah. Not a hammerhead. We're not going to it hammerheads anymore. Not a hammerhead an Ithorian. according to the sourcebook, this is the original first edition sourcebook as well, so right back the origins of time. Nice. Ithorians hail from the Otiga system, which is in the Lesser Pluriod Cluster. Lesser Pluriod Cluster? Lesser Pluriod Cluster. Oh my God, I can't even say. That's a mouthful, yeah. I did check. Both of those things are still canon.
00:46:26
Speaker
So this is what i love, that the role-playing game stuff, although some of it was quite out there, yeah ah because they didn't have a lot to go on, yeah and only the original trilogy, that a lot of this stuff has stuck and and excellent survived the Disney culling of like the old canon. Nice.
00:46:42
Speaker
They're called hammerheads by other races because of their most prominent and unusual feature, which is obviously their long neck with and a T-shaped kind of weird. Yeah, very strange looking.
00:46:53
Speaker
Ithorians speak the common language of the galaxy. I don't think that's... No. Maybe there are some in the animated series that speak basic. Maybe. Okay. But mostly when we see them, they have their two mouths. Speak through these translators.
00:47:07
Speaker
Yeah. And they speak in stereo. Oh. If you listen to one without a translator, it's super weird. Oh. and Did you listen to this episode on headphones, by the way? No, I didn't. I should have done. I don't know if it would have come across like translated because it's placed in a room. Yeah, Like if you were right in front of an Ithorian, you'd maybe get the stereo, but I don't think we've had any close shots of Ithorians yet that would... That would do that....mean that mean the sound design would need to do that.
00:47:36
Speaker
But that's the principle, is that both mouths move at the same time. Okay. And make stereophonic speech, which I think is... What?...mind-boggling. Yeah, that's right. And for a sound person, it's like, oh, that's such a treat. That is a treat.
00:47:50
Speaker
I thought the fourth planet of the Ortega system is a lush tropical world teeming with a wide variety of animal and plant life. Much of it has been tamed by the Arthurians, but there are ah still large regions of wild unexplored territory. and It goes on to describe how they live in herds, like that's how they describe their kind of populations. And I think they live in cities that kind of Well, it's very much like aligned with nature and they are very ecologically minded and look after the all of the wildlife and the plant life on Ithor.
00:48:27
Speaker
They're herbivores, so they're vegetarians. yeah And they never set foot on the planet itself now. oh They kind of leave it like untouched. oh wow So they their cities are kind of floating.
00:48:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty wild. It's wow really wild. Wow. And I don't think we've had a lot about them in canon. like I don't think they've featured much in any of the TV series or obviously not in the films. There are some Ithorians show up in Rebels and and the Clone Wars, so we will see a bit more about See some of them, yeah.
00:49:01
Speaker
But I don't know that we've actually seen Ithor yet. Maybe. We'll find out when we re-watch Clone Wars, because there's anywhere, it'll be in Clone Wars. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was this year a sure little Ithorian deep dive. Nice. I love this character.
00:49:15
Speaker
He's so sassy. He is sassy.
00:49:20
Speaker
It's interesting you're talking about the stereophonic speech thing. Because I'd noted that I really like the sound of his voice without the translator. Yeah. And like that. Yeah, it's like this kind of rumbly. It sounds so cool. it's like I kind of wanted to hear it without the translator. Yeah, I would quite like just to kind of it's quite ASMR-y, I should think. Yeah, yeah. If you could have it on its own. Yeah.
00:49:42
Speaker
Yeah. Interesting. I'm sure in somewhere else we hear them without a translator with subtitles. Okay. We did get subtitles in certain sections of this episode. Yes.
00:49:54
Speaker
And in the previous episode, noticed that the subtitles have gone back to the style of the subtitles from Return of the Jedi, which we talked about in the Return the Jedi episode. This kind of like very particular font. yeah It looks a bit like Tahoma Bold, i think. I wondered if it was because we're back with some huts.
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah. I feel it's just Tatooine. Tatooine hut font. Tatooine underworld. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:18
Speaker
But Mokshayes gives us some intrigue about the sanctuary. Yes. So we have to go back to the sanctuary. Yeah, he really sets this up like, you need to go and find out what's going on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He says running a family is more complicated than bounty hunting.
00:50:34
Speaker
Yes, exactly. We forgot forgot to mention in Sanctuary the first time we saw it, Max Rebo's band. Yeah. So is Max Rebo from, which is confirmed, I think, that is Max Rebo from Jabba's band. I don't know how he got off the sail barge. Oh, we do know how he got off the sail barge because it's in the short stories Return the a Point of View. There's this amazing like 1940s, 30s speakeasy story of Max Rebo escaping.
00:51:06
Speaker
So anyway, he obviously ends up in Sanctuary with his band. He's got a bith playing a kind of stringed instrument, which looks like a kind of space guitar, yeah which I don't know. He's the species that would have been in Figurin Dan's Modal Nodes, which is the band that we're playing in the Cantina in A New Hope. So maybe that band split.
00:51:25
Speaker
Yeah. And guy's kind of... Did they always have an astromech as a drummer? Yes. No, I've never seen an astromech drummer. I did make a note that we've got an astromech drummer. Okay, this was an astromech drummer. I was very excited about that. I was too. I don't think the drummer gets a mention when was researching about it. And I was trying to find out if it was Figrin Dan or any of the modal nodes. And every I looked, nobody mentioned the astromech drummer, which is absolutely droidist. Yeah, it's droidist. Not having it. We talked about the droid gotra thing in the season two, episodes one and two of Mando from the graffiti in that underworld place. This is retent. This is why. erasure.
00:52:11
Speaker
L3 would not be happy about this. No, absolutely not. but They're also playing in the first time we go to the sanctuary, not the second time, but the first time they playing a version of the captain. A remix, yeah.
00:52:24
Speaker
But it's like this beautiful like Spanish-y, Spanish-y flamenco-y type remix.
00:52:32
Speaker
Music in Star Wars always gets to me so much. So funny. It's so fun. Boba says to Garza that she's now sweating like a gumpta on Mr. Varr.
00:52:43
Speaker
I looked that up, there's no information anywhere. It's just one-off line. love the things that he comes out with. He's got so funny. He's got loads of those idioms. He's got some great stuff.
00:52:54
Speaker
But then hears the twins coming. The drums. The drums. And his face, he's so done with this. He's just like, oh, here we fucking go. Somebody else. Why is this such hard work? I just want to rule Espa.
00:53:09
Speaker
Like a good daimyo. Yeah. Yeah. The twins. Oh, I couldn't believe it when I first saw this. I mean, I don't think we've come across the twins before. We've seen many more huts, but I don't think we've seen the twins. Jabba's cousins, I think they are. Yes, they are.
00:53:26
Speaker
yeah Yeah. And they're on a huge litter. Huge litter with both of them, yeah. There's all the sags in the middle, yeah which really pays off the like all the litter stuff that has been mentioned so far about Boba wanting to walk and everything. and Yeah. Yeah, I think this is where I really noticed the subtitles because we were hearing Hutties spoken by Hutt and the subtitles were just giving me massive yeah Return the Jedi nostalgia, which awesome. That was great. I loved them. They brought along this amazing character called Black Kersantan.
00:53:56
Speaker
Yes. Who is an enormous Wookiee. Yeah. Who until this point was a quite well-known character in the comics and Oh, interesting. Yeah.
00:54:07
Speaker
Apparently, Obi-Wan gave him the scar. So I need to go back and read all these comics because I have read some of the comics that he's in because I remember being really excited when he appeared in this. Obviously, yeah I must have like recognized him from the comics.
00:54:20
Speaker
He's probably most associated with a character called Dr. Aphra. is She's like a female Indiana Jones character. Nice. She's quite young and quite sort of sarcastic. She develops a working relationship with Vader in the kind of original trilogy era. Vader's trying to find out about Luke and what's going on and everything. And she's kind of working for him. Right. Okay. Partly because she's terrified that if she doesn't, she doesn't know what's going to happen to her. But also she gets a kind of a thrill from working with him, which I really like. Okay. Anyway, so she does a bit of subcontracting to Black Cassunton and he then starts to become more friendly with her and like looks out for her a bit in some of their adventures. Yeah. they go on escapades together. so we get our first look at him here.
00:55:06
Speaker
Yeah, our first live action yeah thing. He's played by this guy called Kerry Jones, who's a six foot seven makeup artist. Oh my gosh. Who has become an actor as well. I presume he did makeup before yeah acting. He's like IMDb, like there's loads, hundreds of instances of him doing makeup and far fewer of him acting. He played one of the Predators in one of the Predator movies. Yeah, I can imagine if you're if you're six foot seven, there's probably a lot of roles out there for you. Yeah, most definitely. And can do makeup. I'm guessing it's like special effects makeup. Double whammy. Yeah, one of his specialties, I should think.
00:55:43
Speaker
But he's amazing. Like his presence and the way he plays him as the series goes on as well. He's so cool. I hope we get some more of him in in the Mandoverse. There's no reason why not at this point.
00:55:54
Speaker
The twins and Bubba have their little standoff bit of banter. Yeah. Bit of threatening each other. And then Fennec says, as they're leaving, Fennec says, we'd need permission to kill them.
00:56:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think... Who do they need permission from? Because like, the bigger crime world. Okay. Like, the crime world is so big in the Outer Rim and even beyond the Outer Rim. Yeah. Like, the Hutt cartel are a massive part of that. And I think the Hutt cartel are possibly...
00:56:25
Speaker
Maybe at this point in the timeline, I'm not sure, but I think there's been times where they are kind of like supreme of all the crime organizations. So if you're going to mess with that balance, it's this whole like ecosystem of all of the crime families, the Pike syndicate, Crimson Dawn, you know all of the different things.
00:56:43
Speaker
It's all a very delicate balance, which we're seeing on a micro level in Mos Espa within this series. But on a macro level in the galaxy, that still holds true. Sure. You know, like the fact of Kira and Vos at the end of Solo, you know, that whole thing with the politics and finding out that Maul is pulling those strings. yeah, sure. But even Maul isn't really the, you know, there's all these kind of like... Yeah, there's these next layers. Yeah, layers upon layers, which is what I think she's just referring to. Okay, yeah. You can do what you like here in Mos Espa and we'll probably be fine. You know, we'll figure it But if we're going to go beyond that. If murdering Hunts, you've got a problem. That's next level stuff.
00:57:20
Speaker
Cool. Which is kind of where we leave the present day, isn't it? Yeah, like we're back to a flashback. Yeah. Flashback. But but i love all of that like setup of yeah the criminal underworld and gives us a sense of that bigger.
00:57:34
Speaker
We know that stuff's going down now. Yeah. Yes. So we're back with the Tuscans. Yeah. And he's now being taught by them. Yeah. He's very much on his path, isn't he? Yeah.
00:57:46
Speaker
She's amazing. She is so cool. That's where I wrote down, who is this, please? I'm sure it must have been the one that fought him before. It would be like the classic story. It would make more sense. Now he's being taught by that kind of thing.
00:58:00
Speaker
It's a little bit of ah a sort of a montage, a mini montage, guess. mini montage, a mini fighting montage. yeah And he's getting quite frustrated as well, which I'm like, I am holding it like you! She's like, no, you're not.
00:58:11
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He's taking it deadly serious, though. i love his attention to it and his obsession almost. Only interrupted by this rumble and we find out what this kind of plot of this whole and sequence is going to be. yeah Train across the desert. Train across the desert. Which train without tracks? Yeah, I think it's like a hover hover train or a repulsor lift. Yeah. mean, most vehicles in Star Wars are repulsors. Yeah. Like if they're not repulsor lifts, it's for like for a particular reason. Yeah. If it's like a really low tech planet or something, which Tatooine isn't. So I had a a question about the Tuscan rifles. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:50
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Are they blasters in the same way? feel like they are. I don't know. Yeah, they do sound different, obviously, but then all blasters do. But then this might just be feeding into my perpetual thing of, I do not understand how blasters work. Yeah, well, this is conversation had a few times and it's always interesting. don't understand. But they don't seem to have electricity. And I assume that blasters needed charge packs or they need some... What? I don't know. Maybe they've got some solar power type thing going on. Yeah, maybe.
00:59:23
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I mean, I feel like the Tuscans, they are low tech. They are still kind of like pre-spacefaring as far as we know. But I feel like they take stuff away.
00:59:36
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as they need. yeah They hate the off-worlders because they've basically come and colonised Tatooine, which sucks. you know it they've and by the seams that We don't know for definite, but it feels like off-worlders have completely destroyed the ecosystem of Tatooine and have forced them into this new way of living. yeah So although they have nothing to do with them except to light attack when they need to, yeah defend themselves or whatever, I feel like if they find tech, they will make use of it. They'll make it, like yeah. the The kind of wood shop that they go to towards the end when they're making Bova's gaffy stick yeah is built a lean-to out of like a wrecked ship or a speeder or something. yeah And it's like, if there's stuff in the desert that they find, yeah they'll use it. yeah
01:00:23
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But as for whether they're particular blastery blasters or whether they're missile weapons, yeah I'm not sure. not sure Interesting. If you know. Come and tell us. It might be worth checking out the pod race in Phantom Menace because we see them firing. Oh yeah, because they fire there, don't they? That's the first time we see them actually using them. think that is blasters though, isn't it? feels like it. don't know. I mean, in the Rothman game, which we'll come back to that for a second, you can have missile weapons. Okay, interesting.
01:00:53
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Sort of, yeah, gunpowder type things. But only in certain kind of Yeah, only in certain civilizations, like very much lower tech primitive civilis civilizations. Sure. Which I guess is what Tuscans are, so maybe. Yeah, maybe.
01:01:11
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Okay. And they don't seem to have been very effective against the train. The pikes on the train are obviously firing blasters over a long distance and yeah killing a banther. Yeah. They killed a banther. yeah This was a bad day.
01:01:25
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But what I didn't like is the tuscan some of the Tuscans were using a banther as cover. Yeah, they were. They were hiding behind it. What? The sand dunes. Yeah. If you've got nowhere else to hide it, banther's probably pretty good cover. In a pinch, yeah. Yeah.
01:01:40
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I don't think it's really fair on the Banthas. It's not fair on the Banthas. It's really mean to the Banthas. It's all really upsetting. And my other question there was, why are they even shooting at the Tusk? They're not doing... but Why can't they just drive past? I know there'd be no plot.
01:01:55
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but Maybe the Tuskans do... We know from The Mandalorian that the Tuskans do kind of... take ownership of sections of yeah the desert. yeah like They do try and stop people from passing through, yeah like i guess, kind of no-go zones sort of thing.
01:02:11
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And maybe that was a thing originally when the Pykes started doing their spice running from yeah one part of Tatooine from the other. I mean, we don't really know what they're doing with the spice except probably just distribution. moving around so maybe going from mossespa to marsisley or something like that then the tuscans might have been problematic in the earlier days we don't really know ah that's how i kind of read it yeah because i was just like well you could just drive through and leave maybe but maybe there's just like an antipathy thing yeah same reason why were tuscan radios shooting at pod races yeah well maybe yeah Yeah, that sort of sport, I guess. And and the pikes, did the way that they were shooting, it felt a bit sports-like.
01:02:54
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We're just going to hunt these Tuscan as we fly by. yeah Pretty grim. It's pretty brutal, yeah. So a mini mission for Boba. Yeah, he goes on a little side quest, doesn't he? Yeah.
01:03:05
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He sort of takes part in like the burning of the dead. Yes. Which is where I think he gets the idea to go and get these... Yeah, he needs to do something about this now. He needs to get some rides for the Tuscan so they can race alongside the train. So yeah, he goes and finds the Swoop Gang, which I'm going to call him the Swoop Gang, because that's what they are.
01:03:27
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So the Swoop Gang are like causing some havoc. They're just terrorising little They're terrorising people. Yeah. I called it a micro bar. Yeah. Because it looks like a really small bar. It's actually, I don't know how we know this, but it's actually Tosche Station. Oh. You know, in A New Hope, Luke says, or Owen says to Luke, you can waste time.
01:03:50
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well no, Luke says he's going to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters. And Owen says you can waste time with your idle friends later. So this is Tosche Station. Oh, wow. Correction, we do know this because there's a deleted scene from A New Hope where,
01:04:02
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where Luke goes and hangs out with Cammie and Fixer, who are the two the couple in in there, and his other friends, Deacon Windy. And we see that building.
01:04:15
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Right. It's the set. Well, mean, it's obviously not the same building, but wherever wherever Lucas shot it, those deleted scenes that we never got in the final movie... Yeah. It's the scene where he sees Biggs. Biggs comes back before going off to join the Rebel Alliance. Yeah. And Luke has just seen the combat going on in space above Tatooine.
01:04:34
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So anyway, that building, wherever it was, they've just like recreated it for this scene. I yeah Okay. So it's recognisable. Recognisable. we do get Cammy's name. Which Star Wars geeks like me immediately? are all right, that's Cammy and Fixer. I think in the credits they listed him as Lays Lonesner or something. Okay.
01:04:53
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But his other name is Fixer apparently. fixer Okay. So he is Cammy and Fixer from A New Hope, the original novelization. This goes back to like a got but the first words that Lucas wrote. This getting deep. It's properly deep. So the fact that we get them in this episode, to me again, i like jumped off the sofa.
01:05:14
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again love it so he walks in we get this incredible shot of his shadow yeah on the way in yeah so he does love an entrance doesn't he walks in messes everything up next a drink and buck us off again mix their swoops yeah toes them like back to the back so good it's so good And there's this whole comedy sequence of like him teaching them and trying to explain in sign language. On to drive a speeder bike.
01:05:46
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And the first one goes backwards, obviously, because that's what always happens yeah in this kind of... So good. I feel like this is the first proper montage of... Oh, that's such a good montage.
01:05:57
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I love that he goes, like a banther, yes? Maybe not. LAUGHTER
01:06:05
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Yeah, they get better and better. like They're faster and then jumping from to the other. Jumping one to the other, yeah. Like practicing that. Falling off all that and jumping up. It's so good. And intercut with Boba learning is' still to combat with a gaffy stick and he's getting better and better at that.
01:06:21
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Yeah. Such a good montage. But we get no rest because straight away train's coming again. The train's back. Time to go. He Riders ready, and they go, or whatever it is that they Side note, all of the Tuscan oh my voice stuff, the articulate, like from the kids' voice being slightly different and the pitch and everything. Yeah, incredible. I think we mentioned it in one of the Mando episodes of like the different levels of intensity of Tuscan from like just chatter, low-level chatter, to like the big battle cries. Big shouting and yeah. and alerting it's quite often ah alert an alert isn't it yeah yeah we really hear them but it's also intimidating like yeah the first time we saw him when one jumps Luke in A New Hope yeah he's waving his gadifier over his head yeah getting really angry yeah yeah the little kid's got his job with the mirror and yes detail make sure he's got a job the signal signal and they've got snipers lined up yeah ready to take out they're on it yeah it's a good plan it's a good plan i loved the train droid yes the driving the train is incredible he's just getting more and more panicked and like oh don't know what to do just go faster He just keeps firing these things. like i don't know what they are, but I thought that they were like in my old computer driving games. You'd have like a nitro. Yeah, yeah. It's that kind of thing in each story. It just gives it a little burst to try shake them off. Just go a bit faster, yeah. You can see the droid is not going to end well, but actually it survives, doesn't it? Yeah, I think the droid's all right. I think somebody throws off and it it spiders away. like yeah It's like a transformer. Yeah.
01:08:04
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I love the droid. And you've got that, um again, it's the same Tuscan that's been training, just rampages through the train. She keeps disappearing and then bodies like fly out. It's so fun. In fact, it might it might be her that gets rid of the droid. She's the one that's inside the train, so I assume it must have been her. Yeah. Oh no, the droid leaps off on its own steam, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah, and runs away. And runs off. And Boba's got to like try and stop the theater and he sees all his physical strength to to get the train to stop. Yeah.
01:08:40
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ass gaffe stick And But they do it. They've beaten the Pikes. They've fought the Pikes captive. Yeah. I think this is the first live action Pikes that we've had. Is it? Oh, no, in Solo. Was Solo before this? Yeah, Solo was before this. I think they, yeah, I remember them being in solo or like yeah talked about. running Kessel yeah Spice Mines, which is yeah what's going on here, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. But it great to see them again in this. And interestingly, you're listening to this five weeks after we recorded it, but yeah the mall Shadow Lord trailer has just come out and there's ah a little glimpse of some pikes in that. Oh, interesting. yeah
01:09:17
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So they have that little negotiation. Yeah. While the Tuscans are going through all of the train supplies. Yeah. He says, are you carrying spice? And we get a name of Sansana spice, which I've never heard of. Whether that's a particular type of spice or right maybe it's just like the name of the type of... Oh, I don't clock that at all. But yeah, Boba drops that line, which I loved, that your lives are a gesture of arsevility. He is not going to kill them, but...
01:09:47
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But you do need to go. You're not allowed to come through and you have to survive like these people do. And yeah off you go. Yeah. And then they waste gallons of water. Yeah. carriage right There's a water carriage and there's sort of a few Tuscans with buckets trying to catch some. Yeah. Oh my gosh, what are you doing? What did you do that for?
01:10:07
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Then we get some Tuscan lore. We do. Big Tuscan lore drop. Amazing stuff. And we have these conversations. Because this is where the Tuscans say that the... This is why I assume they didn't have like any tech, because they talk about the off-worlders having machines. And Boba says, you have machines now too. Yeah.
01:10:26
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And they know every grain of sand in the Dune Sea. Yeah. So yeah, we're still not exactly sure... about Tuscan's book. We're a lot more clued up than we were. But we're still not sure. And yeah, this is where he gets the lizard. Yes. And the chieftain blows some dust in his face, which distracts him. The second half of that line is, I'm sorry, I think I swallowed it. Yeah.
01:10:53
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I don't know if the chieftain blew the dust in his face to distract him from the horror that was about to happen. It was to send the lizard up his nose. Actually got the lizard to go up there. Yeah, yeah. He was blowing it on him. The lizard followed it. okay It was very lick this toad.
01:11:12
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Yeah, yeah. Poyote the desert. So yes, we have a psychedelics ritual. Classic film tricks. Yeah. Classic sound design. This whole and a little weird montage yeah thing.
01:11:29
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Where it appears like he's going across the desert, but it sort of becomes water. Yeah. Which is where this like now kind of, is it mythology that Tatooine was once a water planet?
01:11:40
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They do say a lot that there used to be water on Tatooine. Yeah. So I feel that is a thing. Hopefully we'll find out some more about that. Yeah. He finds a classic dead tree. Yeah, also classic. I feel like I've been on this trip. I feel like it's a pretty common one. They've kind of amalgamated it everybody's psychedelic experience ever. I did have a little note, though.
01:12:04
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It might be the Tuscan way to just let trippy people wander around in the desert, but I recommend trip sitting rather than... Sending him off on his own. Yeah. I mean, I think I assumed he was just in the camp still while he was having it. Yeah, but he's not. But then walks back. He's like, right. He actually did go on thing. He actually did go on. I mean, that is a thing, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Like, go and have your... Have this ayahuasca and go and have an experience. and wander off into the desert. Oh, God. Wowzers.
01:12:31
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I don't envy him that at all. Don't try that home. That's not... my But it triggers a bit more of this, like, his memory mixed in with it because the dead tree sort of becomes the Sarlacc.
01:12:44
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And then that brings him back to Camino again. And we see Slave One flying by, yeah digging his way out again. He's having a hell of an experience. It's this kind of mix of, like, waves crashing and sand, like, blurring between earth and water, I guess. Yeah. kind thing.
01:13:01
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Yeah. And he gets kind of held by the tree at some point as well. Yeah. But this is clearly a tree that they go, or it's something that they go to because they recognize as soon as he comes back, they say, give me the stick. Yeah.
01:13:15
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It's like the tree that gives gaffy sticks yeah to everybody kind of thing, maybe. So I wonder if all of the Tuscans have to have a lizard up their nose at some point to go. I'm sure they do. Yeah. I'm sure it's a coming of age for them. yeah send them off to find their branch and he's just having it now just because he's a new member of the tribe yeah so wild so yeah he he's comes back from his vision quest as noticed by the massive and the kid yeah we're both watching out for him i guess because i think the kid is quite like he's quite attached to him now isn't he yeah yeah and the lizard pops out
01:13:50
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I thought that was part of the dream too. Like, no, no, you did have a lizard up your nose. That's not a way I'd want to do trips either. That's just going to give you a bad one immediately.
01:14:03
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It's funny enough having to eat something, but yeah a live creature running around? Absolutely not. No, thank you. but This bit of music is my favourite bit of music. It's beautiful. Like the where they're wrapping him in Tuscan robes, which is kind of a mirror of the beginning of episode one when he's getting dressed. Yeah, he's doing his armour.
01:14:23
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These two episodes definitely are like mirrors yeah um and definitely go together. But yeah, it's like this kind of choir stuff and orchestral. Oh, it's beautiful. Like there's the big deep didgeridoo or whatever that wind instrument is that's playing that.
01:14:37
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And the strings start playing his theme, like these cellos and double basses and it's majestic. Yeah. So good. And he's just rolling with it. He's doing really well. Yeah, considering that he's just had this wild experience. He's just had a wild experience and now he's being dressed as them.
01:14:55
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Yeah. And then he goes off to make his gaffey stick. Yeah, to this improvised wood shop. Yeah. Under the supervision of his trainer. Yeah. She's there too.
01:15:05
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That's beautiful. So good. Yeah, they're like adding metal to it. Yeah. And using fire to kind of like, I don't know whether that's to like weld it onto the wood. Yeah. kind of primitive blacksmithing isn't it yeah yeah wood and blacksmithing at the same time yeah yeah and the little carvings like to get the little texture around the round and so cool beautiful and the final tribal dance the drums oh so before the drums come in there's like the music gets really stripped back yeah
01:15:38
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Well, they're around the fire just before because they get up and they do some dance stuff. But before that, it just goes, it all drops out to just like this really like mysterious, mystic-y, beautiful. Again, like it's kind of similar to the getting dressed. Yeah. But even more stripped back. Loved it. Yeah.
01:15:57
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So good. Yeah. What an episode. And that's the end of the episode. I remember the first time watching it, the end of it was like, oh, wow. And then it didn't lose any of that magic this time around either. No, great. Every time watch that episode in future, it's just the structure of it, the pacing of it. Yeah. mean, it shouldn't work. Like having an A, B format is really kind of clunky. Yeah, it's quite isn't it? Like the first episode, which had like A, B, A, B, kind of worked better in a way in that sense. But for some reason, just the amount that we had of each was just the right balance. Yeah. mean, it's quite a long episode. It's nearly an hour long. It is nearly an hour long, yeah. We get quite a lot detail in both halves.
01:16:38
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But yeah, the second half, especially the Tuscan half is, yeah. It's great. Incredible. I love learning more about the Tuscans. Me too. Me too. ah Anybody who's like been misrepresented, I'm always up for that. yeah Even Imperials, like in Andor, we start to find out more about the ISP and yeah how people get radicalised. It just gives you this other layer of insight, for better or worse, yeah of like how stuff came to be. and like so Star Wars is one of these things that can really stand that.
01:17:11
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Like George Lucas's original ideas are so strong. Yeah. Like even though they sound like little tiny throwaway nuggets in the original films. Yeah.
01:17:24
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There was enough thought went into it that it stands the test of time because most of what we're getting now is still just referring back to that. Yeah. You know, it's yeah like they haven't gone off on some like completely different story arc or whatever. Yeah, they' they're still in the same place. We keep coming back to Tatooine. Yeah.
01:17:42
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Yeah, it just so good. Interesting. I think Lucas was just brilliant at giving you something that was so curious and then not telling you anything about it Yeah. that That's the lifting thing that we've talked about. Yeah. It's like everything feels like it's got history, which a lot of other shows and films and stuff don't don't have that in the same way.
01:18:02
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So respect to George and for setting all this in motion. Because everybody since who's become a creator – you your doug changs and your dave felonies that they're so they've really taken on that philosophy that's the overriding philosophy of star wars creation yeah you've got to keep keep doing that you can explore these things but at the same time you've got to keep dropping new things in like black kasanton he's this like wild wookie character yeah like that we've got unlimited knowledge of but now here he is there he is
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