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Delving into Star Wars THE RISE OF SKYWALKER | 009
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Join Branwen and Seah as they deep dive into all things Star Wars! This season, we're on a rewatch of the OG Trilogy, Prequels, Sequels and maybe a cheeky spin-off! Follow along as we fly off exploring all the wonders and geekery of a Galaxy Far, Far Away, chatting nostalgia, worlds, lore, music, story, behind the scenes, and much more with each other and some very special guests.
In our final episode of season 1 of the pod (though watch out for a fabulous bonus episode next week!) we're celebrating "The Rise of Skywalker", the high octane finale of the sequel trilogy. We dig into the new Force lore, planets and characters, and navigate through the exciting twists and turns that wrap up the Skywalker Saga (for now!). Listen to the end to find out Seah's mind-blowing Wilhelm Scream revelation!
Sisters of the Force is a weekly, UK-based, Star Wars podcast, produced with joy and love by Seah and Branwen.
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Transcript
Favorite Moments and Characters
00:00:15
Speaker
Sia. Hello. What's your favourite line from The Rise of Skywalker? Okay, my favourite line isn't a line at all. It's... a Incline of the head. With a tiny little bow. Is that Poe? it's Kylo Ren. that one. I love that one. But I should actually give you a line as well, shouldn't I? That would be, yeah. Yeah, it'll do better on the podcast. It'll do better.
00:00:45
Speaker
This is not a visual medium. Let's try that again. All right. So my favourite line is, I don't care if you win. I need Kylo Ren to lose. that's a good line.
00:00:58
Speaker
Yeah, last words. Yeah. Nearly last words. Yeah, nearly last words. Not far off. Bless his poor little ginger heart. Oh, I was so sad.
Film's Pacing and Action
00:01:07
Speaker
ah Hey, Bramweth. Yeah. What's your favourite line from The Rise of Skywalker?
00:01:12
Speaker
I've never seen so few Wayfinders. ah can see you're slightly bemused. It's such a throwaway line. is that? It's Finn when they're on Basana and like they're marveling over the festival and Rey's like, I've never seen so many blah, blah, blah, blah. And Finn is so like not having it with the excursion they're on.
00:01:35
Speaker
And he's like, I've never seen so few wayfinders because they're there to find it a wayfinder. And it's such a little throwaway line in between loads of other fast dialogue. That's incredible.
00:01:46
Speaker
I remember it making me laugh the first time. I think Finn has the best lines in this whole film, I think. Yeah, to be fair. Absolutely brilliant lines. It's either that or he's just the best at delivering them. Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:01:59
Speaker
The one that I very nearly went for is, will the agony ever end? It's also great. Oh, dear. You had some good lines, too You're listening to Sisters the Force, so a Star Wars podcast. And we are here today to talk about Star Wars, at The Rise of Skywalker. Dun, dun, dun.
00:02:21
Speaker
Which is quite a big one, isn't it, I
Complexity and External Materials
00:02:23
Speaker
think? Yeah, it's huge. and there's it's Again, it's very long. Yeah. But it didn't feel quite so long. I got very absorbed and stopped noticing the passage of time. It's very nonstop. It takes you on a ride. Yeah. Yeah. There's lot going on. I've been saying since I watched it last night, and since then been talking about it being like a roller coaster. Yeah.
00:02:45
Speaker
Which is a bit of cliche, but I think if that cliche is true of any film, this particular film. It's this one. Yeah. There is a lot going on. Whiplash. I have questions. Yeah, me too. I have comments.
00:02:58
Speaker
get I was going to start off by the fact that um since watching it, I've realised that a lot of the kind of whiplash of the film is that we don't get chance to really discover what's going on in the bigger picture or kind of like behind the events, if you know what I mean, in the way that you often do on a film that's slightly less fast-paced. Yeah. And it reminded me that I've actually read or listened to quite a few books which tie into it. Ah. As well as like there are other you know parts of the the franchise out there that kind of feed into it too. Yeah. And I know this is kind of an ongoing conversation that we've been having throughout this podcast of like how much external material should should feed a film, should it need to, should a film stand up on its own and everything else. And maybe this is one of those situations where the film could have done with a little bit more time.
Opening Scene on Mustafar
00:03:47
Speaker
Yeah. It could almost have been two films, really. Yeah, I was thinking it could have been an eight episode series. Yeah. yeah Because there's lots of little mini adventures and they're all about 15 minutes long, whereas they could have been like three times that. Yeah.
00:04:02
Speaker
To find out more of the backstory and what's actually going on and find out more about these amazing characters that we meet along the way. Yeah, well, saying that, the first opening shot is Kylo murdering some beings.
00:04:16
Speaker
Who are the beings, please? Yeah, exactly. Good point. Well made. So I did not know this until yesterday, okay um even though I've seen this film quite a few times, um that that planet is Mustafar.
00:04:29
Speaker
which, as you remember from the end of Revenge of revenged de set the Sith, the planet. We've been there before. We have. And we've also, in the TV series, I think in Obi-Wan Kenobi, we've seen it as where Darth Vader has set up his castle that he has, where he kind of works from when he's doing his like evil doings. It's of one of
Wayfinder and Expanded Storytelling
00:04:49
Speaker
those villainous planets again. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is obviously another part of the planet where trees actually grow. yeah And apparently if you're niche enough, which I'm not, um To have played, there's a VR ah game called Vader Immortal oh that goes there.
00:05:05
Speaker
And is I think it's set Mustafa. I don't know if it's entirely set on Mustafa. But if you've played that game, you would have recognized it and the beings that he's chopping up. But as like 99.999% of the population have not played Vader Immortal. Yes. Yeah. It's just like, it's the case of, as of most of this film, and you have to just go with it. Yeah. Yeah. but i I think the only clear thing about the scene is that he's got the Wayfinder. Yes. And possibly a few more Star Wars fans would recognise the look of the Wayfinder, even though i don't think we've seen one before this film. But as you'll discover as we're re-watching Rebels, um there are... holocrons, Jedi and Sith holocrons, which are like storage information devices where people record stuff, like kind of encyclopedias.
00:05:50
Speaker
They did actually exist in the role-playing game back in the day. And they're something that's kind of carried on from all that time in history. um But they're in Rebels quite a bit. We see a few of them in Rebels. And they look like this. I think holocrons might be... um I can't think what the name of the shape is, like double the size of what the Wayfinder is like a tetrahedron. Is it like a tetrahedron? Anyway, whatever it is. Like a three base, triangle base pyramid. And I think a holocron has got a bit more to it. But anyway, it looks very, very similar. Looks similar. Okay. Yeah.
00:06:22
Speaker
That's as much as we really understand. That's as know. Because then quite
Unknown Regions and Sith Locations
00:06:26
Speaker
quickly we're off to Exegol, assuming that's where he's gone instantly. Yeah. And this is what mean. We could have had a whole episode of Kylo discovering that there's potentially a Wayfinder hiding on his grandfather's old planet. Sure. Sure.
00:06:43
Speaker
Deciding to go and find it and then finding it and figuring out how to use it. And then, you know, knowing that that's going to take him into the unknown region. So the unknown regions, yeah which is the the sort swirly, difficult to navigate space that we see a few times in the film. Yeah. is popping up more and more and more in different parts of the the fandom. okay um It's kind of on the edge of space. It's where Thrawn comes from. And we'll be talking about Thrawn when we do Ahsoka and Rebels. okay He's like a big, bad, you know, he's the new villain in the kind of post-Return of the Jedi era. Excellent.
00:07:20
Speaker
We love a villain. Yeah, I think he's going to become more well known as time goes on because he's going to appear in films and things like that as yeah the story unfolds. And his race, the Chiss, live out in the Unrohn region. I think we talked about this possibly with Ketlan when we were talking about Attack the Clones. I'm not sure how it came up there. They use young Chiss, like pre-teen girls mainly, I think, um yeah from their species who have a special ability to be able to navigate the unknown regions. Interestingly, they call them sky the Skywalkers. I do remember this conversation. It's a very specific conversation. Yeah, yeah. But it definitely ties in with this film because we see the unknown regions quite a few times with Rey leaving you know her kind of marks for everybody to follow her when she's got the Wayfinder off off Kylo's ship. and yeah So she's making her way through the and unknown regions and she leaves all the navigation data so that everybody else can follow her.
00:08:21
Speaker
We see all of that stuff yeah in about three minutes of film. You're like, well, guess we're here now. But we are dropped into Exegol quite quickly yeah where there is some fantastic lighting going on. I wrote down exactly the same thing. Lighting in wide angles. yeah There's an episode or a two-part episode of Rebels um at the end of season two, which you can't wait to rewatch. um And they go to a place called Malachor, which is a dark side planet from, I think it's from Legends originally, but it's one of those things that's transferred into the new new canon. sure And they find a Sith temple that's underground and it looks really,
Cloning and Callbacks
00:09:04
Speaker
really similar. Okay. So I think there's definitely... So the Sith have an aesthetic. I think they do. And it's big and it's dark. Big, stony, dark, yeah underground
00:09:15
Speaker
You have to go down a... You have to abseil down into um Which later on, I love seeing Rey abseil down and it it's like a recall to The Force Awakens when she's like abseiling in Star Destroyer. which Yeah, great.
00:09:31
Speaker
I think J.J. did some really nice things. J.J. Abrams, the director, I think he did some really cool stuff. Callbacks to his yeah Force Awakens film and a little bit into The Last Jedi, although sometimes contradicting seemingly on purpose. Yeah.
00:09:45
Speaker
I noticed some of JJ's camera, he he has like a distinctive camera movement that he uses a lot in this film, where the camera moves in the opposite direction to the person. So they're like low tracking shots, like part they're kind of fly-by or walk-by yeah shots. We do one as Kylo strides purposefully towards the temple on Exegol, and the camera kind of goes opposite, which makes him look like he's going faster. yeah It's a classic. yeah um film technique but he uses it a lot throughout the film in different ways in space and like on planets yeah it's really cool nice and walking too yeah but yeah super lighting super lighting it that it was the the way
Poe and Finn's Adventure
00:10:25
Speaker
the reveal of palpatine again and then the way he is lit throughout that entire scene is just like oh spooky yeah all that strobing and yeah like you only see bits of his face Yeah. um And did you know, again, blink and you miss it, this would have been a great finale to the 45 minute episode.
00:10:44
Speaker
um As he's just about to get to the bit where Palpatine is, we go past some cloning tanks. Yes. And there's like a crumpled up Snoke in there, sort of like experiments, which as we watch The Mandalorian, I'm so excited. No spoilers. Spoilers. No spoilers for Sia. Yeah.
00:11:03
Speaker
Yeah, there was some nice quotes. There was a callback to the Darth Plagueis scene, wasn't there, where he says about powers being and unnatural. yeah And there was a Last Jedi callback line as well, where Kylo says something about, what can you give me? And Palpatine says, everything. yeah Which is what Snoke says to Rey, where he's suspended her over the throne room.
00:11:25
Speaker
Pretty cool. It is pretty cool. We go straight from there to poe and Finn, I think. Yeah, that amazing little scene, which again, I want more of this, like in the Falcon, like doing crazy flying. Yeah, And this poor alien who's called Bulio, which I had to look at. Oh, is that the the slug one?
00:11:44
Speaker
No, not the slug that's fiddling. The one that delivers the message. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Bulio's in another ship and they connect him up to The message comes down like the cable. another short-lived character, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't last long. It looked like really old tech and they're like, oh, got to take it to an older droid. Yeah, yeah, exactly. R2's got one of these old portrait jacks. R2's got a floppy drive. Yeah.
Light-Speed Skipping Logic
00:12:10
Speaker
So funny. And the little LEDs that come on. Yeah. Yeah, Bulio was voiced by Mark Hamill. I didn't realise this either until i tried to look up his name. I could hear something Ulio, but I didn't catch the first letter. yeah And Poe smashing the falcon into the side. yeah Absolutely destroying falcon.
00:12:33
Speaker
It's so funny when they land on Agent Klos after and and like he's just like, the whole thing's on fire. yeah so It's all on fire. I swear. out And Rey has just like smashed up BB-8 as well. i have thatta Yeah, Yeah. You broke my you broke my droid.
00:12:54
Speaker
That's something I wanted to ask. is there Have we seen Lightspeed skipping before, or not really? no No. No. I don't know if they just made that up on the Made up, yeah. Yeah, definitely is reminiscent of of Guardians the Galaxy, I think it is, in the Marvel Universe, where they whiz through different planets really fast in a similar way.
00:13:13
Speaker
right They go through like these kind of wormhole things, which is similar, I guess, yeah similar to the idea of light speed skipping. Because then there's some of the TIE fighters managed to come with them, and I wasn't yeah sure that they can do that, or they're not supposed to be able to Because that was the whole plot of The Last Jedi. Yeah, yeah.
00:13:32
Speaker
But maybe that's the thing is that they've now got like the now able technology to, yeah. But maybe skipping like short jumps, which I'm assuming is what they're doing. Yeah. I don't know.
00:13:43
Speaker
We need to do some more
Rose's Character and Future Potential
00:13:44
Speaker
research on ice cream skipping. Is that allowed or is that an illegal move? Yeah, exactly. It definitely wasn't in Star Wars the role play, then. I tell you that. For sure.
00:13:55
Speaker
It does feel like when they land, there is conversation about it as though it is a thing. yeah. you shouldn't be able to do in the Falcon, so maybe is a thing. I know. Yeah, because Ray tells Poe off for Lightspeed Skipping the Falcon. Yeah. Because the compressors aren't working properly or something. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:14
Speaker
I said that with such confidence. Oh no, i don't know what I'm talking about. No, you're absolutely right. think you know as much as Perry does anyway. my second note for that section was, ah it's a twofold note. The note goes, what's Mary doing in the resistance? And also, yay, Maz. Yeah, well, okay. Merry, right.
00:14:32
Speaker
um So Dominic Moynihan, who probably mangled his surname there. Apologies, Dominic. um Clearly a Lord of the Rings thing. Did you notice multiple Lord of the Rings references?
00:14:45
Speaker
oh Other than having him than having him there? Yeah. Wait, now ive got to watch it all over again. Well, they may or may not be. that They're my interpretations of Lord of the Rings. And it was okay noticing that he was in it, even though I obviously knew he was in it, I didn't include him in my list of Lord of the Rings things before I realised. And then i thought, oh, and he's in it as well. So it must be Lord of the Rings reference.
Leia's CGI and Ethics
00:15:09
Speaker
Oh, great. When they're on Pasana, we get some helicopter shots of the Knights of Ren standing on top of a rock looking moody. And it's very like the way Peter Jackson uses helicopter shots in yeah The Lord of the Rings. Very, very similar. The way he edits different angles together. It's not just one. One continuous shot. We see one rotating shot and then it cuts to a different angle a bit closer in. You see loads of that.
00:15:35
Speaker
The horses, which are... Yes. called all backs all backs all backs okay um that when they're charging across the star destroyer it's so like the ride of the rohan yeah i mean they're horses in like costumes yeah it doesn't get more rohan than that yeah i did I did know that. My mum mentioned like the last chunk of the film is quite a lot like the end of The Return of the King because we've got Rey is Frodo trying to deliver the ring into the Mount Doom, whatever, to defeat Sauron, who is Palpatine, while this horse charge is going on. yeah it does feel... It's all quite similar. It is quite similar. i just If Merry wasn't in it... Then maybe that connection wouldn't have been made. Yeah.
00:16:27
Speaker
I like it. I like seeing him. I love Mary. Tell me. um This is really interesting and I need to i need to pursue this because I've forgotten about it. It's something I did know about a year ago and then forgotten about.
00:16:37
Speaker
His character is called Beaumont King. Okay. And there's a book called The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire, which recently came out. It's written by a real historian called Chris Kempshaw, who's like an actual historian of real history. But he decided to write this book called The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire. And it's done...
00:16:58
Speaker
as ah as a pseudonym of Beaumont King. So Beaumont King survives, as we know. Yeah. And he is a sort of Star Wars historian. That's why he's the one that gives that slight response to Poe's famous somehow Palpatine return line. Yeah, yeah. He says dark Sith cloning something. car what he says, but he like expands on it. Yeah, yeah, sure. Because he studied the history of all of this stuff. Gotcha. So that's the only clue in this whirlwind. again, that'd be another like amazing episode where he's researching like cloning and what's been going on and what Palpatine might have been doing. um So yeah, he's not just a background rando Lord of the Rings-like person. he He does have quite a fleshed out character, which I really like. I want more of him. Yeah, he was great. I really i enjoyed seeing Yeah.
00:17:55
Speaker
I love all of the banter that's going on in this whole like first sequence. Finn especially, but Finn and Poe and Finn and Rey, they're just like high speed dialogue. I think that's JJ. I think JJ is a great screenwriter and,
00:18:10
Speaker
it just flows so well. yeah And you can tell as actors, they're really enjoying the dialogue. yeah Oscar Isaac is just loving Poe in those times. Yeah, definitely. I did have another note of why did they not let them be together? I'm still angry about this. Poe and Ray? No, Poe and Finn. Finn and Ray.
00:18:30
Speaker
Oh, Poe and Finn. Yeah. Well, any combination really. Any other combination would have made me mad, but Poe and Finn. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, yeah.
00:18:43
Speaker
ah There's a whole lot of fanfic out there for you. you know what? I'm going to go and read it and I'm going to bring some back.
00:18:52
Speaker
But I'm guessing at this point, like at least 50% of Archive of Our Own is either Raylo or Finn and Poe. i'm I meant to look that up today and I forgot. yeah this is pretty big we did talk about it before i will go and check because yeah i have a membership to ao3 that's not something i should be admitting i think it's sad that rose it
Kylo's Helmet and First Order Tension
00:19:18
Speaker
didn't get i i understand they particularly didn't give rose more of a a role in the film because the actress is it kelly marie tran she'd had such a hard time with online abuse and stuff like just awful awful awful and I know she's like that makes me so sad it does me because she's great as an actress and i love the character as well it's exactly the sort character we need in Star Wars yeah and like they did make a point of like she's going to stay there yeah like they keep in her blah blah blah it's kind of fine i kind of get that yeah but I'd have loved for her to have gone on the mission with her because it was great seeing the three of them you know on an adventure because we hadn't really ever seen that you know it's the first time we've seen them together adventuring and Yeah. It does make you want more. Yeah. I have a feeling we're going to get more.
00:20:05
Speaker
I think more is coming down the pipe. That is exciting. Yeah. um We should really, at this point, shout out Leia. Oh, I did say. It's so intense. I mean, it's really clever. It's so clever, but I was i remember watching this and just feeling so sad immediately.
00:20:27
Speaker
Yeah. And just being like, oh, I can't cope. but That's... I don't know. i I was more affected by the death of Carrie Fisher than most of the deaths that happened around that time.
00:20:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. She is, you know, very much missed. Yeah. I'm really struggling to watch the scenes with her in for so many reasons, of that being one of them. Yeah. Especially the hug when she hugs Ray. Yeah. like you can see Daisy's face and you're like, how could she, what emotions must Daisy have been going are doing? Yeah. Like, because they must have like shot it with a body double. Yeah. To get the opposite angle, you know. Yeah. Like it must have just been so intense. And then for Daisy to watch it. yeah like I can't imagine what that would feel like.
00:21:15
Speaker
Yeah. It's all kind of, it's a little bit, because obviously they had to use bits that they'd already filmed before. Yeah.
Pasana Festival and Lando's Return
00:21:22
Speaker
Or like body double or dialogue that they've recorded before.
00:21:26
Speaker
They were very clever about it. Like you can see when she is and isn't in shot and all that kind of stuff. It was yeah so clever and really, really cool, but it it did just, it just her it hurt. It hurts in such a weird way.
00:21:39
Speaker
Yeah, like nothing else ever will, really. It's like such a specific two-thirds of a way through a trilogy, you know, it's yeah not very often that that happens to such a major character's actor, you know. Yeah, for sure.
00:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, and it was going to be her film. like Yeah, know. Episode 7 was going to be Han, Episode 8 was going to be Luke, and this was going to be Leia, but... yeah It wasn't meant to be. i think I somehow need to like detach from it as well because the other reason I have a problem with watching the scenes is because my brain is constantly trying to work out where did they get that bit of footage from, which outtake or which ah deleted scene. yeah Watching it this time, i have a feeling they didn't say this, but I've got a very strong suspicion that they used a bit of the kind of like AI deep fake type thing that they've done Rogue One. And in other places, they've tried it a couple of times for small scenes. And it would, you know, it's like there are bits where it looks like an outtake or a deleted scene.
00:22:40
Speaker
And then there's bits where it's a bit too polished. Yeah, sometimes the movement is a bit too smooth or whatever. And because they can do the voice now as well, like you can just conjure up a voice. It really freaks me out a little bit as well. I just find it all kind of a bit...
00:22:53
Speaker
Yeah. Because then ah then there's just permission gets blurry then as well. It is difficult. Yeah. I think with this, they knew they could do this, but I think it kind of has to stop there. Yeah. Yeah. There are other issues, as we'll discover on all of our like watching adventures that we go through, that there are some other bits that are controversial and, you know,
00:23:14
Speaker
We need to talk about like recasting possibilities and things like that because we don't – okay, in the post-Episode IX Star Wars galaxy, is those characters are all dead in the Star Wars galaxy. So you know we don't need to revisit them.
00:23:30
Speaker
But there is still storytelling going on earlier in the timeline. Yeah, sure. There is this sort of like, do we have these CGI
Ochi of Bestoon's Role
00:23:37
Speaker
versions or do we recast? And like most of the fan base is saying, please recast. Please recast. Yeah. It just feels there's something ethically weird about it for me that I'm just like, no, I don't.
00:23:48
Speaker
You can't keep using people's image. No, exactly. And I don't, I mean, I'm speculating that they used it in this. Yeah. um But I can't help feeling that they must have done. there's There's just too many specific lines that...
00:24:01
Speaker
Yeah, I can't work out how they would have got that from yeah Force Awakens deleted scenes of thing. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Oof. We can shake that bit off. We get this little interlude at this point of this simeong. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that. Before that, we get before the the technician, the kind of ape-like oh yeah metalsmith guy. He's called Albrecht, apparently, who remakes Kylo's helmet.
00:24:27
Speaker
Ah, yes. I really love the new look helmet, actually, with the red-like veins in it. Leading to, I'm sensing some unease about my mark. It's so funny, that scene. No, no.
00:24:39
Speaker
This is where I think well JJ semi-taking the mickey out of Rian Johnson. like Not taking the mickey, but like ribbing Rian Johnson a little bit. Like, no, we are going to have Kylo's helmet back. yeah yeah You may think you've destroyed Kylo's helmet. I liked the helmet. We're having it back. it's So funny.
00:24:59
Speaker
But yeah, a very funny scene with the First Order being very nervous about it. But made slightly less funny by the head of a bulio being thrown on the table. Yes, that awful. It's all of the funny banter bits, but juxtaposed with the like, oh no, there's some really awful stuff still happening.
Introduction of Droid Dio
00:25:22
Speaker
And here's a nasty reminder. Kylo's being pretty awful. Kylo's horrible. He's doing some nasty stuff in this film.
00:25:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, now we can go to Pasana. So the amazing and and the first festival. The festival. So cool. I was talking in a little pre-recorded chat about this um little mini documentary on Disney Plus in the like extras bit yeah about the filming on in the desert.
00:25:48
Speaker
um It's just wild. Yeah. They built a town to like do this sort of 15-minute sequence in the film. was so good. Yeah. It's unbelievable. it is really, really cool. I love like all of the design of the colours and the different people. And it's just like being at a festival. and Yeah, it's great. I love the cheeky little Lando reveal in there as well. Yeah.
00:26:10
Speaker
That was very exciting. I love the little kids, the little baby yeah kids watching the little puppet show thing. Really cute. So nice. And that's where we get my favourite Finn line, the... yeah The distinct lack of wayfinding. Yeah, Lando. ah Yeah, you brought up Lando. That's that's a good a little good place to hang out for a bit. He's so cool. He is cool. Billy Dee Williams is obviously just living his best life He's having a great time. Even at the end of the film when he appears with Chewie and the Falcon again and just like he's only got like two lines or something, yeah but he just like makes the most of it every single moment. He's clearly been waiting to play Lando again. He's been having this. He's ready. Yeah. He was waiting for that phone call.
00:26:53
Speaker
Lando's still there. We have more potential for Lando. Yeah. So bring him back. He's one of the only people that survived. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He really is. Definitely. Yeah, Ochi of Bastoon, this amazing character. I really want more of this. Like if I'd done the eight episode series of The Rise of Skywalker, one episode would have been Ochi of Bastoon, yeah like back in time, yeah doing what he does. He's like a kind of relic hunter, Sith-like historian. Ooh.
00:27:23
Speaker
but generally bad person. yeah Apparently he hangs out with this character called Yupp Tashu, who I think I've mentioned in an early but episode of this podcast possibly, who is one of Palpatine's, like um what do you call it, like the circle of, in in Return the Jedi, we see his light followers so on the on the second Death Star, yeah like the guys in the kind of purple robes and stuff. Yupp Tashu is kind of one of those types. Oh. And he's mentioned in the Aftermath Trilogy. We need a little theme tune for the Aftermath Trilogy.
00:27:56
Speaker
Every time mention it. Its own little theme tune. Yeah, apparently Ochi of Bastoon used to hang
Finn's Force Sensitivity Hints
00:28:01
Speaker
out with Yute Tashu. He's not mentioned in the Aftermath Trilogy, but he was clearly around at that sort of time. okay And I loved like the look of him and I love his ship and it's all really nasty looking. Yeah.
00:28:13
Speaker
Yeah. But also, his droid. We meet his droid. Yeah, the little baby. His droid's scared of people. Yeah. He's got some real mental health issues. Yeah. Is it Dio? Dio, think his name is. Dio. Dio. Voiced by um J.J. Abrams. Oh. A nice little cameo in there somewhere. little cameo in there. No, thank you. I love his stutter, like his glitchy stutter thing. He's so sweet.
00:28:37
Speaker
He's like, no, no, no, no thank you. yeah And all that kind it's so good. It's funny how like a tiny little droid like that has speech chips, yeah whereas a chunky astromech like R2 doesn't. R2 doesn't have a speech chip, neither does BB-8. Although people seem to understand them fine, don't they? They do, yeah. But I love that Squeaky Wheel does have one. He's got a few bit words in his dialogue. His dialogue gets like more significant every time he speaks. yeah Like at one point he says, sad. yeah And then a little later he says, happy. think when they get back at the very end the film he says happy. I love that.
00:29:12
Speaker
That's JJ. JJ's filmmaking is very, like, recognisable, I feel. Okay. Like, it's very detailed. He's a great lover of detail, I think. Yeah. While also a great lover of, like, motion and keeping it moving. Keeping things moving. Yeah, yeah. Everything's like... The best example of that ever. Like, pacing-wise and even camera-wise, as we've mentioned already with the, like, tracking shots and stuff. Yeah. um But he does seem to, like, sow many, many little seeds that pay off. Yeah. Which...
00:29:40
Speaker
you know, sometimes can get a bit much. Very satisfying. But it is very satisfying. yes Yeah. and And just little things like that are great. Yeah. Great examples of that. Like let's have Dio say sad earlier on in the film when 3PO is about to lose his memory or whatever. yeah And then it kind of calls back later on and we get the opposite, i like the mirror, the mirror thing. Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker
I did have a note about something that we haven't talked about in a while, which we did say we were going to track. There's this whole they fly now
C-3PO and Babu Frik's Humor
00:30:10
Speaker
thing with the chase of the troopers. Yeah, yeah. They fly now, but also they're still not very good at aiming. They completely fail to hit any of them at any point. And no good flying either. No. They definitely hold up the children of the watch theory about that. Oh, the jetpacks, yeah. That's for sure.
00:30:31
Speaker
But yeah, they hold up the the shooting theory as well. It's still terrible. Some of the troopers on the Star Destroyer later on, they hit a target, don't they? Doesn't Poe get shot? Yes, Poe does get shot. They hit Poe once the first entire time. This is the first in six movies worth of stormtroopers. Because actually managed to shoot someone. No, because they shoot Leia at some point. yeah They do, yeah. they do Twice in my six films. Twice, yeah.
00:31:01
Speaker
we go Twice. Two non-fatal hits. Good. So it turns out the First Order aren't that much better than regular Stormtroopers. Good to know.
00:31:12
Speaker
But they do fly now. um Yeah, it's clearly they've never watched Clone Wars or Rebels. Okay, because they have previously flown. So Poe and Finn need to go and do their life history research history research. Some of them do fly.
00:31:26
Speaker
Yeah. or But then that's clone and clones versus stormtroopers. Well, and it's Mandalorians. the Okay. But no, clones do fly.
00:31:36
Speaker
Clones do fly. okay Yeah. But maybe stormtroopers don't. I think they might do in Rebels because Rebels is stormtrooper era. Okay. So I think they do fly. We'll have to check. Yeah. We'll track it. We'll keep tracking it. We'll have a go. What good is a track if it doesn't continue being tracked? We'll try and remember to track that. Definitely. Good. I did also note that 3PO's got a whole load of programming issues again. oh my gosh.
00:32:04
Speaker
scott He goes on such a journey in this film. He does. so He gets very sassy in telling Poe off for like not driving very well. yeah You say, like, nice flying or something, and then that wasn't so good. can't remember what the lines are.
Star Destroyer and Hux's Revelation
00:32:20
Speaker
He does. I loved Babu Frick as well, meeting him. That was great. oh Hang on, before we get there, before we get there, there's more. in Still in speeder chase. Speed of chase. Okay. Yeah. We get whooping.
00:32:32
Speaker
More whooping. Yes. More whooping. Yes. Ecstatic whooping over death. Ecstatic whooping, yeah. Horrific. Yes. there's Lando does it as well later on. Yeah. Yeah. so they find the blade. Yes. The dagger. The mysterious Sith artifact. Yeah. I love Poe's line. 20.3 bazillion languages and you can't tell us that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:56
Speaker
He's against his programming. He can't. Yeah. his best same as he can't mutiny he can't yeah there's a little tiny throwaway line while they're searching for the i think they're still searching for ot's ship um where finn mentioned the pits of grick and it's again another little finn throwaway line that's very easy to miss yeah i did google the pits of grick and of course there seems to be nothing yet about it You read things saying, it's obviously a place which is probably not very nice to be in, but it's all just basing on the context of Finn's life. Of literally that. Good. We're so pleased.
00:33:36
Speaker
and We should track the pits of Grick in case they pop up in a novel yeah somewhere. Amazing. Kylo's tie. Really want to talk about the sound design of it. It's so cool. I thought i for a second there, my brain went like literal tie that you're wearing. And like, I don't remember seeing Kylo wear a tie. Okay, no, I'm with you. Sorry.
00:33:57
Speaker
Well, it it is officially apparently called a tie whisper. Tie whisper. I think it's a very un-first order kind of a name. That's making me think of chocolate bars. Yeah. And it's closer to like a tie that you would wear around your neck yeah than a first order ship to me.
00:34:12
Speaker
and sure I like the fact that we hear it like, I don't think we've ever at this point maintained speed with the camera on a TIE fighter. So like generally when we see TIE fighters, they're whishing past. the aesshe So we get like the Doppler roar of the TIE fighter, which we've known, you know, come to know and ever yeah or hate,
Kylo and Rey's Force Connection
00:34:33
Speaker
depending on who does to you. But this time we're sort following, tracking with him. So we hear the constant whine of the Thai engines, which is really cool. Whether they like did a massive audio time stretch of the original Thai roar, because it's like this kind of constant pitch, or maybe they've kind of looped a bit. It's really clever. really better
00:34:56
Speaker
It's got some slightly different overtones, which I'm guessing is the whisper thing. It's possibly yeah a quiet quieter engine. A quieter version of a Thai fighter. It's like, yeah, the forward whisper thing. so It's a fancier version. you' be a Tesla, wouldn't it? This is going to be electric. Some kind of weird Tesla.
00:35:14
Speaker
Oh, brutal, chewy scene. That is brutal. i I did have a little note here of Rey's power seems to have upticked like massively. Yeah, I think there's a symbolic thing that's throughout the film of her anger.
00:35:32
Speaker
Yeah. And it's obviously establishing her Palpatine roots and the potential for her to turn. Yeah. Because I think there has to be this potential that she's going to turn. Yeah, of course. Kylo's goading weather.
00:35:46
Speaker
So that moment, which is probably the first time we see like a massive power increase. Yeah. is because she gets so angry yeah with Kylo and she loses it. And when she loses it, she suddenly produces the Force Lightning that we know from Palpatine. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Death Star Remains on Endor
00:36:04
Speaker
Even though we've seen Count Dooku use it, we're assuming that Palpatine taught Count Dooku how to use it.
00:36:10
Speaker
It's a dark side skill. yeah But the fact that it comes to her naturally, I think is supposed to make us think, oh, Palpatine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which at this point I was like, she's a Palpatine, you know, guarantee. Got it. Yeah, but she does definitely. I mean, I think she has been training. There's been a certain amount of time since The Last Jedi and Leia has been training her. yeah There's a book called The Jaws of Jakku, which I mentioned at the beginning of the show that there's some sort of like external stuff that sort of outlines what's been going on in between The Last Jedi The Jewels of Jakku by Cavan Scott, who's a brilliant Star Wars writer. He's done loads of writing for Star Wars, and especially the comics. yeah
00:36:50
Speaker
And it's about Rey and Finn going off on a little mission to Jakku. And we see her you know developing some of her skills, or at least we see where she's got to. yeah And there's another book called Resistance Reborn, which is immediately after The Last Jedi, really, where the news is spreading amongst their allies about the absolute disaster of the Battle of Krait.
00:37:11
Speaker
And yeah Poe and Snap, um who's one of the other X-Wing pilots, they're trying to recruit more people yeah and find more allies. And I think... It was a while since I've listened to it, but I have a feeling we do get a bit of Rey sort of developing a little bit.
00:37:28
Speaker
But I think the idea is that she has been doing a lot of training with Leia. I think over in this film in general... Overall, there's a lot more kind of powerfulness from and both the Jedi and the Sith that we haven't really seen it get that big before. Yeah.
Leia's Passing Impact
00:37:46
Speaker
As well as other people being able to kind of feel things through the Force a lot more. And it was like, I had a a slight theory. Let me find my theory because I wrote it down. Are you speculating? I was speculating. I was speculating that, yeah, they've all got a lot better at kind of feeling things. Like Finn can feel things now, Poe can do it a little bit. And like a lot more people seem to be able to kind of feel things through the Force. So I was, is the Force stronger because...
00:38:15
Speaker
Partly because of the whole kind of Kylo and Rey. Yeah, like the Dyad thing. Dyad thing. So that they're in the same place and they're both quite powerful so that the force in general is a lot stronger so other people are starting to feel it more.
00:38:29
Speaker
Or are they all just learning to trust their feelings? Ooh, I like this. See, I came away with it feeling like JJ is just sowing um some seeds of Finn. Okay. Because it's the most apparent with Finn. There's multiple lines that don't get picked up on. The hymn saying, I've got something
Han Solo's Return and Kylo's Redemption
00:38:49
Speaker
I want to tell you. and Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:55
Speaker
and we were teased with it with him having the light saber and the force awakens a couple of times and like is he going to be the jedi and then people were a bit sort of almost dispointed that he wasn't but like well we have ray that's fine too you know like it's all good I'd not thought of it in those terms. like It could be that the dyad of... I don't know what history there is of dyads in the Force, whether it's anything that's happened before. This feels like it is, by the way, that Palpatine kind of knows what he's talking about. what it is yeah. But maybe it is that they've been giving off things. I mean, Rey is definitely...
00:39:30
Speaker
shifting the rules of the Force. like She's doing things we've never seen. Whether they were done in ancient history of the Jedi, we don't really know yet. But certainly in terms of like the period that we know about of the Jedi,
Kijimi City's Destruction
00:39:42
Speaker
she's definitely exploring things like the Force healing. yeah I think my memory is telling me that in The High Republic, which is set 200 years or so before Phantom Menace, I have a feeling that there is a bit of force he healing going on in that.
00:39:58
Speaker
But she seems to like find it herself. She can just do it, yeah. Yeah, she like instinctively does it yeah and obviously becomes a theme of the film. Yeah. which is pretty cool and then yeah we're seeing palpatine doing outrageous stuff yeah with the force like with his a projected force lightning sure yeah he's rolled a lot of sixty s to get his like control to get control over that thing which you have to do yeah In the West End games. Love it. Yeah. I feel that Rey has got this kind of, i mean, it sounds a bit obvious, but she's got a very feminine approach to the Force. Yeah. That's quite different from how all of the male Jedi, which is mostly what we've seen, it.
00:40:46
Speaker
use it Apart from Ahsoka, we need to revisit all of Ahsoka and just sort of see what she does. But she has got a different approach to the Force as well, to be honest. Okay. maybe Rey is like giving off Rey's. Yeah.
00:41:02
Speaker
Of Force. Yeah, yeah. That they're all picking up on. Maybe. Yeah. There's nothing to say it because, I mean, the Force, as Yoda says, runs through everything. Yeah. Yeah. It binds us all together, whether we're Jedi or not. And there is slight spoiler,
00:41:19
Speaker
Is it spoiler? No. I yeah don't need to go into details. But there is a character in yeah one of the other things that we'll be watching in the near future who is not force sensitive on the surface.
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah. Like they they don't really show any sign of having force abilities. However, they do learn to fight with a lightsaber for a particular reason. Yeah. And as time has gone on,
00:41:46
Speaker
They have developed seemingly four skills. Okay. Which is controversial. And it's controversial in the program that you know where we see this happening. Ooh.
00:41:59
Speaker
So this is, and this quite a new, you know, it's like very recent stuff. So yeah maybe they are expanding what we understand of the force. Yeah. And I'm all for that. If there's one thing I can't abide with, to quote C3PO, is yeah fans who say the force doesn't work like that.
00:42:19
Speaker
ah Yeah, we don't know how the force works. nobody I love that line where maybe this is JJ again, like planting like meta Easter eggs of Han Solo saying Finn, that's not how the force works. Yeah.
00:42:33
Speaker
Of like, that's Han being, you know, stubborn. Stubborn about it. Stuck in the past, which he would, because, you know, he's a grumpy old man at this point. Yeah. So maybe, you know, like, we don't know how the Force works. Nobody really does. Certainly nobody in the present day, present day, in this era of Star Wars knows.
00:42:53
Speaker
There's so few Jedi still around because they've all been wiped out. The Emperor has kind of almost done us a favour by wiping the the slate clean of all the Jedi dogma. yeah And leaving us with this all these new possibilities. And Rey is so such a kind of like pure, almost naive, you know, she's lived this isolated life on Jakku.
00:43:13
Speaker
She has heritage, which gives her Force abilities. yeah But she's got like a really... clean, undogmatic view of what the Force can be. The only person she's had to deal with really has been Luke, who's yeah very dogmatic and and she kind of quite happily rebels against him in a way. Yeah.
00:43:34
Speaker
Interesting. Interesting. Something to think about. but Something to ponder. Yeah. I didn't imagine it's going down this rabbit hole, but I like this kind of rabbit hole. That is ah is a ah rabbit hole.
00:43:48
Speaker
Okay, Kijimi. Yes. Got to keep moving. Kijimi is, i love this planet. I love the snow and the kind of like city. Yeah. I just can't imagine how, is it a set? like Yeah. i do Is it a location? It must be a set. It must be a set. It must be bits of set. Or model or something.
00:44:06
Speaker
Yeah, like enhanced set where they build a set and then they like add on to it. i don't know, because I don't think they'd built the volume yet, which is where they shoot the Mandalorian. This kind of scene would have been ideal for that because then you just build a CGI world with a few bits of basic set and your actors just exist in it and they're just there and shoot and it looks like they're really there. Yeah.
00:44:30
Speaker
So no need for green screening and stuff. But I'm guessing this is probably a combination of all sorts of technology to make it happen. But yeah it is really cool. ah It does look cool. And I love Zori. we need more Zori. love her right to the very end of the film, like her little interaction.
00:44:47
Speaker
When you did your favourite quote being the little bow of the head. You thought it was Poe. I thought it was Poe when he gives her that. I just laughed so hard at that. so funny. Fair play to Oscar Isaac. And to her, she's doing the acting with a helmet on and she manages to pull off the like, nope, not this time. Absolutely not.
00:45:09
Speaker
There's quite a few inclines of the head that are filled with meaning in this. I like it. Yeah. It's a little theme. But yeah, really all we're interested on in on Kijimi is Babu. Babu Frick is amazing. i love him. We've since seen more Anzelans. There are more than Babu. Oh yeah. In similar situations um in the Mandoverse. Okay. They're like hackers. Yeah. Hackers of droids. Exactly. yeah Brilliant technicians. I presume they probably do other things, but that's their speciality. I love when he's mentioned later and C-3PO is like, oh, he's one of my oldest secrets.
00:45:44
Speaker
Three-piece dialogue through the cell wall secrets is genius. like You go from the really profound Anthony Daniels saying goodbye to the wall in this trilogy to then like yeah ridiculous lines because he hasn't got any memory anymore. Anthony Daniels must have been living his best life as well, I think.
00:46:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, there are three Anzelans in the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer. Oh. And we have names for them, apparently. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but they're quite furry names. Okay, that's exciting.
00:46:16
Speaker
They're playing with Grogu, obviously. they i think they go on a little mission with Grogu, the four of them together. And it's you can imagine, it's going to be hijinks. It's going to be me great comedy. Babu's dialogue. Isn't it voiced by... um I don't like to bring up anything associated with she who must not be named. Yeah.
00:46:37
Speaker
But Moaning Myrtle in the Harry Potter film. Oh, Shirley Henderson. Is that her name? I've got a feeling she plays Babu. I think you're right, actually. Hang on. She's got an amazing um character voice. You know, she can do all that. I'm going to Google it just in case. He's he's like dialect as well. where He's like, droid, he memory go black, blah, black. Yeah. Like, what?
00:47:02
Speaker
Somehow I know exactly what you mean. he says some really terrible things about 3PO, but it's so funny because of his... And he laughs the entire time. He's so cheerful. I just want Anansalan... He is very cheerful....to follow me around and cheer me up all the time. um Yeah, it's contradicted the seriousness of 3PO taking one last look, sir. And being white....at my friends. Oh, yeah.
00:47:30
Speaker
Oh, remember that being in the trailer. I kind of wish they hadn't given us that in the trailer, but I remember like, and his red eyes come on. So cool. That was quite scary. And he's got a whole different voice and stuff as well. That's quite clever. Yeah.
00:47:43
Speaker
But he is at the mercy of his own programming again, because they wouldn't have done it if... Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. he yeah how We had to hack his programming... somehow yeah i guess this is is this a culmination of our tracking of droid nah we're going to keep doing it aren't we now we've got to keep doing it because we've we've definitely going to got to continue more dri you a chopper like chopper is a whole case of his own whole nother thing yeah we're gonna have to break chopper down i love how he's also a bit like but you they're going oh it's fine r2 can back you up and he goes reliable but you not would you trust
00:48:19
Speaker
They go on to the ah Star Destroyer at this point, I believe. Yeah. You have to really keep track of where the story's going. There's a lot going on. It's just so it's so fast. That's why I've got so confused. Yeah. like You really have to keep up.
00:48:33
Speaker
I love all the running around on the Star love seeing all of them running around on the Star Destroyer together yeah and shooting stormtroopers. I hadn't realized how much I missed that. It really reminded me of New Hope. It's got that...
00:48:46
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. A vibe about it. Similar vibe. Poe and Finn reacting to Hux revealing that he's the... They're like, come on! He's the spy! All the fans... I knew it! No, you did not. All the fans are doing the same thing. I'm sure it was supposed to be like, yeah, we're as shocked as you are. But it totally makes sense. Like, of course he's fed up. He's so annoyed with Kylo and his line, your line that you picked. He's so bitchy. He's such little... I love Huck so much. I was gutted that we lost him because just love him. I know, and Pride just turns around and blasts him. Like, it's fantastic.
00:49:26
Speaker
brutal it is brutal but I get the feeling Pride is a mod again another character who we're just thrown in with and it's fine can we know who he is we can guess but like we roll with him kind of would like to know a little bit more about him talks about Palpatine he goes oh I've served you since the beginning and you're like did you haven't we seen you before that must mean he was around in the prequels yeah like he's also having the best time of his life isn't yeah I mean, guess any actor who gets cast in Star Wars, it's like... Yeah. But particularly, I think if you've got a part that's not, you know, it's not a conditional part. Like, it's not like Rey, where it's got to be incredible because the fans are relying on you and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, you can't really go wrong with a character like Pride. You know, we've seen... you're a villain. Yeah, that character before. But, like, you can bring your own little twist to it, which he does. mean, Richard Grant is... Yeah. Yeah. So good. We forgot to mention back on Pasana when Rey is given the necklace thing. Oh, the beads. Yeah, the beads. Yeah, yeah.
00:50:27
Speaker
And Kylo takes it yeah through the force, which is obviously we're setting up this like, okay, we can pass objects through the force. They can hand things to each other, yeah. And we've seen water. But we we've had that before because we they've been able to touch other. Yeah, we saw them touching each other and we saw Kylo had water on his hand yeah after Rey had been in the water. So yeah there has been some transference, but this is like actual hard objects moving through space and time, um which is wild. And then, yeah, another new like iteration of the Force that we've not witnessed before. seen before. And whenever they're fighting and stuff as well and you get all the...
00:51:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's in this scene on Kijimi where she is in his quarters on the Steadfast yeah getting the knife, I think. Yeah, she's trying to find the dagger. Chewie's bandolia.
00:51:20
Speaker
and And he's down on Kijimi. They've swapped places, which is really cool. And they figure out where each other is or he figures out where she is yeah because Darth Vader's helmet goes through the Force, doesn't it? Yeah.
00:51:33
Speaker
Because they're having that battle. They're having a the lightsaber battle through the force a again. Through the force. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what? And then she knocks the pedestal over and it goes, it it goes and he goes, ah, I know where you are.
00:51:46
Speaker
Yeah. And he just goes, I'm coming. He's just like a market on Kijimi and a load of like food or something appears on. Beads and stuff. or Yeah. Yeah. Something small and. Small and red. Yeah.
00:51:57
Speaker
Yeah, really cool. Great visual storytelling. And just like, oh, let's expand the force. I love it. I'm here for Which leads them, now they've got the knife back, to Kefbir, which, interesting, being a moon of Endor, which I'd forgotten it was a moon of Endor, but of course it is because it needed to be near Endor. Because needed be because that's where the Death Star was.
00:52:19
Speaker
The grassy plains bit of it is filmed at a place called Ivinghoe Beacon, which... which my mum grew up there when she was a kid. And she could see Ivinghoe Beacon from her like bedroom window. oh wow She lived in a tiny village called Pittston, which is still there, right next to Ivinghoe, which is another village. And then the beacon is like is in Bedfordshire, yeah um or Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire border. Yeah. And it really is like a chalk downs kind of area.
00:52:49
Speaker
Obviously, they expanded it with CGI. It looks pretty. CGI giant ocean, which really reminded me of, have you seen Interstellar, Christopher Nolan movie? yeah There's one planet they visit on their quest for a planet that's got gigantic waves. And they have to race to get back on board the little lander thing that they've come down on um and I remember seeing Interstellar in the cinema and being like absolutely mind blown by that sequence and just like big waves it's no big deal but it's just like somehow really when they are that big yeah that's quite daunting yeah And it's really spectacular in in this instance, especially as it's like all sort of like surrounding the the the broken up remains of bits of the Death Star.
00:53:39
Speaker
but I've only got one slight gripe with this film. I know people have a lot of issues. Virtually all the podcasts I listen to, people have got issues with the film. And and i I kind of get it, but I don't get it in a way. Apart from this one thing, which is the blade, like it's too much of a like, you have to stand exactly on that. In the right place.
00:54:02
Speaker
And like the tides, you know, when was this blade forged? The tide's going to change, yeah. And the wreckage is going to be gradually collapsing in on itself as it kind of gets worn the sea. Yeah, I did think that.
00:54:15
Speaker
Yeah. It's so all a little bit. And like they could have just done so many other things. yeah yeah so They could have still had the dagger to have the text on the dagger to tell them what planet to go to. yeah Or at least to give them a clue. you know Oh, it's the Death Star remains. And then they go to the Endor system. That was in my notes. It was like, hang on a minute.
00:54:34
Speaker
It's a nice, like, you know, film, fantasy film, like, oh, the magic dagger that has... yeah But also she's force sensitive. She'd know where to stand. True. Very true. Like they were drawn there by the force. But equally, they could have been brought to the planet by the inscription on the blade. Yeah. And then she just sits there and meditates and she immediately finds... And she knows where it is, yeah. The essence of Palpatine. Yeah. And like left residual Palpatine-ness, which would have walked her the age of age. Residual Palpatine sounds obscene. Essence of Palpatine.
00:55:04
Speaker
A new fragrance. Gross. I don't want to know. Which she would be in tune with. Being she is one. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, I get it. It's fine. I think that's how I'd explained it to myself is that the force brought her to that point. Yeah, yeah, to that exact spot. Yeah. Or maybe the dagger itself, you know, it carries, yeah once you've taken ownership of it, it you there. It will tell you where to go. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:29
Speaker
Because it's got sith Sith magic. Sith energy. sit Yeah. Yeah, there may be only somebody with a Sith connection, which she does as a Palpatine, which is maybe why Ochi of Bastoon didn't like figure it out. couldn't find it. um And even if Luke had found it, he wouldn't have known what it was. So yeah interesting. There we go.
00:55:47
Speaker
Maybe it's not a plot hole. Yeah, it's a perfectly solid plot. We've absolutely figured it out. We've figured it out. It's fine. I mean, you do have to be a bit in Star Wars sometimes. Like there are a lot of story points. Yeah, where you just have to go, all right, all right, and I'll go with this. That's fine.
00:56:04
Speaker
Sure. There's always a couple of theories. But I mean, I think that's true of all like yeah big arc story things. Very difficult to keep track of everything. Exactly. But it is a lush bit of like treasure hunt. Yeah. love that. Yeah. And that kind of whole sequence with her on the skimmer going over to the yeah the Death Star as well. Super intense. Beautiful.
00:56:22
Speaker
It was great. And the throne room seat like going and music. oh where We've got like the throne room. I don't think it's the same music exactly, but the music is very reminiscent of the throne room scenes. That we've had before. And the weird like hall of mirrors that she goes into. Yeah. And she has that weird self battle. I love that.
00:56:45
Speaker
Trippy self battle. We want more dark ray. Yeah. Terrifying. Dark Daisy. Yeah. This does lead to some of, I think my favorite piece of sound design or one of my favorite pieces of sound design is Kylo shows up. Yeah. And when him and Rey are force blocking each other's lightsabers. Oh, yeah. It's got a very specific sound that we don't really hear with lightsabers much because they're not normally force blocked. Yeah. It's like making them unstable. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:16
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And that is, hi it just sounds so cool. I made a mental note that we have seen people doing this. ah I think it might be in Rebels. But has it ever sounded so cool? Yeah. No, definitely not. No, okay. And seeing it in live action. I've got a feeling we saw something similar in Ahsoka season one. It's been a while since I watched that, but we will re-watch it at some point so we can find out and track this technique. Track the force blocking of yeah But it's definitely never sounded like this, like to have the camera quite close to it. Yeah, yeah. So the perceived sound design is like, you're right in there. And their force blocks sound different as well. Yeah, to each other. His force block sounds, yeah, sounds different to hers. Yeah, and he's still using the red saber at this point, which has got that instability about it, which has its own cool. It's bit more crackly. Yeah. It's gritty.
00:58:10
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ah This whole lightsaber, so good. The lightsaber battle. It's a good battle. With the sea. It's like the water and the fire, which it kind of is a bit of a callback possibly to the last Jedi conversation that we were talking about last week with the sparks and oh the water. the and the water. Tripping yeah, yeah. It's like this is the kind of...
00:58:28
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full escalated version of that yeah and Rey is on the ascendant hence there being water everywhere if she is the water side of that yeah but he's not he's not really having any of it the way he comes ploughing through that gigantic wave with his saber still behind him on just love it I love seeing how impermeable lightsabers are like you can't do anything about a lightsaber. No. They just keep working. It's just going to It's going to forever. Even if you're coming through sea. Yeah. I think this is possibly some of my favourite music stuff. Yeah. Well, it's the first bit of it.
00:59:05
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Yeah, no, my favourite bit's coming up later, but this bit where we hear Kylo's theme, yeah but they use, like, Williams has put these kind of emphasised bits at certain hit points in the fight, which he doesn't always do. Often the music doesn't like sync with the action. you know we don't Oh yeah, but it does so much in this scene. Yeah, yeah they call it Mickey Mousing.
00:59:28
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I think, yeah because it comes from cartoons. yeah Yeah, where the music's doing the sound effect. And in films, we don't often get it. There's a really early example. I think the first example of it was in the original King Kong movie. yeah And there's a scene where there's this like chieftain character walking down some steps and there's like a timpani on every step.
00:59:46
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yeah And it's like, oh, wow, you can do that. And from that point on, occasionally we get occasionally we get music synchronized. But it is often a bit cartoony, hence yeah the nickname Mickey Mouse. Yeah. Yeah, but there's some really nice bits of it in this lightsaber fight. In this battle, there's some there's some really, really nice bits. It happens a little bit later on as well with the lightning strikes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some lightning strikes and some strings going on at the same time. Yeah. Which make it very sinister. When we're back Exegol. Yeah. you're in Yeah, that I think that's where my favourite bit of music is. Ooh. Just temporarily jumping ahead there. Ooh.
01:00:25
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Exciting. Yeah. This is where the film starts to get brutal. Yes. Like Rey healing him really affected me. And his response, like the way he just sits there and lets her do it, I found really intense. Yeah. i had a note about this. I had a note that Kylo is incredibly stoic yeah for that whole moment. Like he's just been run through. Yeah. He's clearly felt Leia go.
01:00:50
Speaker
Yeah. At the same time, he's just had a conversation with her, basically. Not really a conversation, but he's just, and he's just felt her die. And then Rey's gone, my God, and come and healed him. And he lets her do it. But does she heal his scars on his face as well? Yes. Yeah. I didn't notice, but I was reading something in my timelines book this morning. I didn't notice. Bit of research. Yeah, you actually saw it. I saw it. His scars are gone. Interestingly, I noticed that he looked different from here on, but I just put it down to like, oh, well, they've done a different makeup on him to give him more Ben-ness rather than Kylo-ness. The scars are gone. But it's the scars and that's what it is. It sort of softens his, which is really clever. It makes him look younger and back to his Force Awakens handsomeness. Not that he's not handsome in all three of the films, but yeah, do like him as Ben.
01:01:42
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Yeah. It's funny how how different he is from this point on. He's very different as Ben. Yeah. Like, so different. Yeah. Like, he melts my heart every time I see him as Ben. Like, he's just... Yeah.
01:01:54
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Oof. I think that's why i was watching this this morning and I texted Branwen instantly. to be Are we getting more Adam Driver? What's happening? yeah That's why that's why i was This is why the world is currently going mad for more Ben Solo. like Not more Kylo, but more Ben Solo.
01:02:17
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um By the time this airs, we may have more news on The Hunger Ben Solo. We're still holding out for it yeah But yeah, but it is brutal, his his reaction.
01:02:29
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Leia, losing Leia. That whole bit is brutal. Chewie, oh. oh I saw a meme of this the other day that was like, the scariest horror movie I've ever seen is Chewie finding out that Leia's died. That's it. It's the most horrific thing I die wrote. Chewie Breaking Down is the most brutal thing I've ever seen. Ever seen, yeah.
01:02:48
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Not just in a Star Wars film or in a film, but ever anything. It's just... It's really brutal. i I wrote that he's got the only sensible reaction to her death. Yeah, yeah, so far, yeah. Yeah. I like i love the way they filmed it from a distance. It's like they didn't even want the camera to be close. You can't intrude on, oh, it's just too too much.
01:03:10
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Too much. Closely followed by, hey kid. Yeah. Like hands opening line. and And it's like silence at this point, I think. I don't think there's any score. No, there's nothing. And you just hear the sea and then you hear, hey kid, in Harrison Ford's voice. And you're like, I remember sitting in the cinema by this point, I was just frozen like, this is Couldn't breathe at that point. Yeah. There is no breathing happening. And the dialogue, the scripting of the scene, like the mirror of the bridge scene from Force Awakens. It's just... And Harrison Ford absolutely crushing it. Yeah. Like, we know he's not been the greatest fan of playing Han.
01:03:49
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Yeah. And he's probably come back. We don't probably want to know how much changed Han's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For that, yeah. That's true. But he clearly does it from a place of honouring the character. Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:01
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he puts everything into that scene. I also wonder if we have that scene partly because we don't have Carrie Fisher anymore and they needed... Maybe they we needed something. we needed We needed one of the parents to have that interaction with him.
01:04:15
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it could be. In a way that they couldn't. It might have been supposed to be Leia. Yeah. Yeah, that would make sense. Like a forced connection with Leia or something. Yeah. Yeah, that would have 100% have been the script. Yeah, yeah. You're right.
01:04:29
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Well spotted. And then they're like, well, actually, we're going to have to do it this And Harrison would have been like, for for the sake of Carrie, 100% he would have come back. He might have gone back for nothing for that.
01:04:41
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Yeah. And Ben saying, Dad. Oh. Okay, think need to end this podcast. can't go We can't do that bit. We can't do that bit. We're not talking about it. Okay, let's move on. Let's move on. There's a scene not long after this where we see them destroy Kijimi City.
01:05:00
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Yes. I presume it's called Kijimi City. And it's very reminiscent of, not actually in the Aftermath trilogy, funnily enough, but in the Aftermath of Return of the Jedi. Right. The Emperor sent out these like robot versions of himself okay to to like the Imperial remnants around the galaxy and had them do this thing called Project Cinder, which was...
01:05:25
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just basically kind of a terrorist action almost where they used heavy weaponry on Star Destroyers yeah um and um small fighters and stuff like that to absolutely decimate planets for no good reason other than like the wrath of the Empire. Yeah.
01:05:43
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you know As a point of saying the Empire is still here, yeah you may think that the leadership is gone, but it's not really because you know we've got these weird droid Palpatines going around. I think they're called Sentinels or something. That's freaky. And they've holograms of Palpatine's face
Project Cinder and Luke's Moment
01:05:59
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inside. They look weird.
01:06:02
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They're in um a few things. They're in a computer game, um like a Fighter computer game, I think. Really gross. Anyway, yeah. And the description of it, I don't know if we ever see Project Cinder happening, but we hear a lot about it. It's in multiple things. And this is the feel of Project Cinder to me. It's pretty awful. Blowing up for no good reason. Yeah. We've got one last ride with Luke.
01:06:26
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Yes. Well, I say that for now. I really liked, there's some really good music bits in the Luke Ray exposition scene, as I've called it. Yeah, yeah. Here, have some exposition, just so you are slightly aware of what's going on. Yeah. And then my next note was, I've got sucked in and I've forgotten to make notes. So...
01:06:48
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So there's a bit of a time jump in mine. Yeah. So I think, is it Poe sums it up or is it Finn? Welcome to Exegol. Somebody says, welcome to Exegol.
01:06:59
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And we're in this big final. Final bit. They've tracked Rey all the way to Exegol. Rey's already there. Yeah. Face to face with a granddaddy. Yeah.
01:07:11
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Okay. When? When did Palpatine have children?
Palpatine's Children and Sith Cultists
01:07:18
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When... What's happening? Help. Well, i think you need to go back and watch Phantom Menace. Oh.
01:07:26
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Palpatine was absolutely getting on with somebody around that time. Okay. Well, just because of his attitude? His overconfidence and his is flustery joyousness. Like... It could have been at any point. It would have been, I'm sure, when he was... Because it's senator his granddaughter. so And she's already like 20-odd, I'm guessing, at this point. yeah I'm terrible at the maths of Star Wars years. It's totally doable that it could have been before Phantom Menace that he had his child that was her parent. I can't remember which. Is it her father? or Yeah, it's her father. Father is Palpatine's son. Yeah.
01:08:05
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So yeah, any point. Any point between... Because, you know, he had a certain dash to him in the Phantom Menace still. He's going up, greying a bit and everything, but he's still... It wasn't happening around Revenge of the Sith time, surely. No, by this point. Scarred as I am.
01:08:25
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Although, yeah know, a position of power. people are into that. We might know some other leaders in positions of power. That's true. In the day Earth that might... It's very true. can take advantage of people at any given point. um Yeah. is It would be very on brand. Yeah, that's true.
01:08:43
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I did note down that we've got this, as soon as we get back to Exegol, there's all of these. There's the chanting comes back. Yeah. The big string stabs. Yes. Who are they? What's going on? Yeah, they're sort Sith cultists or something. They're Sith cultists because there's loads of them.
01:08:59
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There's loads of them, yeah. I think they've been there. I think Exegol has been there hidden in the out here in the and unknown unknown regions yeah for years. um Obviously, this plan, they've been building the final order, the... yeah the You know, the fleet to end all fleets. Yeah.
01:09:14
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And so we don't really know much about them. I presume they're a race that's sort of like indigenous to this planet. Yeah. ah Or maybe he's assembled them or maybe they're people from all different places. Yeah. We don't know much about the Sith is the problem. Okay. We don't know much about Palpatine yet, really. Like there's storytelling out there that's waiting to happen, I'm sure.
01:09:37
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He now looks even more terrifying, which is great. He does, as if he could get worse. It's great that he's still him, but he just looks terrifying. like, oh no, this is awful, and I'm scared. He's now on a giant robot arm. Yeah.
01:09:53
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He's skeletal. i'm I'm really hoping we're going to find out more about this because there are seeds being sown in the Mandaverse for all of this. So I'm pretty sure they're going to fill in some of this for us, which I'm all for. I
Rey and Ben's Partnership
01:10:06
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want to hear more about it. yeah It ties in with Thrawn as well because the Unknown Nations link.
01:10:11
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And it definitely ties in with cloning because we've been learning loads about that in the Mandaverse. So there's stuff going down. stuff going down more stuff going down Dave Filoni is a brilliant expander you know he he takes stuff and builds on it and builds in between he's really good at doing that kind of stuff okay I mean he's really good at all sorts of things he knows Star Wars better than probably anybody other than George and possibly more than George at this point yeah and he's very much in charge of what's going on at the moment and it feels like although he didn't have anything directly to do with the sequel trilogy he was around you know he did visit the sets at certain points and they were making mandalorian along at the same time as the rise of skywalker was being shot and like there are 100 lots of crossover material so i think we are going to find this stuff okay so there'll be more more information at some point
01:11:03
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I've written in my notes. the The really helpful thing about my notes is that i I don't always say what I'm reacting to. I just say what my reaction is. So I've just written, just got weirdly choked up, but I've got no idea why or when that was or what that was about. could be a number of things that happen. There's a lot of emotional beats in this whole sequence. I did also write that there's a classic Emperor move going here, show them the battle that's going on above them. He's done that at least three times before. Yeah. absolutely you know yeah yeah he loves them he's just a real manipulator yeah i i wrote palpatine's back on his emotional manipulation yeah that's exactly what it is he just loves doing that to everybody um anybody who will listen to him for more than a few minutes he'll start manipulating them yeah
01:11:53
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but If we stick with Rey for the moment and and Kylo before we talk about the space stuff, yeah I loved her moment of realisation when she senses Ben.
01:12:04
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yeah like He's come and he's fighting with the Knights of Ren. Knights of Ren, yeah. um We've not even talked about, but that's another podcast episode in itself. At least I want it to be. I want more
Musical Themes and Predictions
01:12:15
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Knights of Ren.
01:12:15
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yeah But yeah, he's he's sort of fighting with them single-handedly. She's facing off with Palpatine and she has this moment of realisation that he's arrived and that he's turned good. yeah And yeah like Daisy Ridley...
01:12:32
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All props to her for the tiniest facial movement. I don't even know what it is. It's just something in her eyes of like, oh, Ben's here. Oh, and I know what to do now. And puts her hand behind her back and sends him the spare saber. It's so cool. And that's my favourite line, is the little, oh, no, I've got a lightsaber. The little, oh, I'm now going to kill you all. Yeah, yeah. It's very like the Matrix when Morpheus is in the dojo with Neo and he does the little finger beckoning thing. It's that vibe. It that vibe. Yeah.
01:13:09
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Yeah, and Rey and Ben together facing off Palpatine is just beautiful. Two lightsabers, the dyad in the Force. Again, that that would be a full episode or two. like oh my gosh. Talking about all of that because it's just like, oh, it's a dyad. Okay, here we go. And you're like, whoa. So much going on. Whiplash. Yeah. is Just another another bit that you blinked and missed. Fine, we're going with it. Yeah, this is my the themes when he arrives and we get Rey's theme and Kylo's theme merging pretty much. yeah And we've been having Palpatine's theme all over the shop as well. It's the YouTube video that I mentioned in the episode with Jessica. We will post it ah in the week of this episode. So while you're listening to this, go and check out our Instagram and there'll be a link.
01:14:01
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Write that as a reminder now. yeah but Because it is a great app so a great YouTube video which absolutely predicts this. Okay. It's so good. Anyway, so
Palpatine's Death and Rey's Power
01:14:13
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that's my favourite musical bit. I've actually found it quite hard to pick a musical moment in because there's a lot of like reusing of old motifs. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Because there's so much going on and you don't really get, there's nothing, not a lot of new material in the film. No. It's very noticeable anyway because there's just so much happening. Yeah. There's no time to develop a new theme for somebody or whatever. It's just like bang, bang, bang.
01:14:35
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quick go Yeah. I love the like hearing the voices. my gosh. And I loved looking in the credits to see them all because like you can't catch them all. Yeah, because all there. Yeah. I had just had this... So just before she hears all the Jedi voices, she's got this moment with Palpatine's doing the mega lightning thing. Ah, yeah. Attacking the fleet. He's attacking the fleet with mega lightning. And at that point, I was like, we've not seen them be this powerful before, but he's just been force-healed by the dyad and all this. Yes, okay, it's really powerful. Yeah, all right, I'll go with it.
01:15:16
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And then the kind of lightning thing happens and you're like, okay... fine fair enough and then my note was it all comes back to qui-gons there's always a bigger fish yeah like there is always a bigger thing that can be achieved and then instantly after that we heard qui-gon's voice and i was like oh my god sorry i got excited but i wonder if that's intentional yeah And then, yeah, i got weirdly choked up at that as well as all this like... Yeah, I think hearing them. I think when I first watched this, I hadn't watched The Clone Wars, so I wasn't okay that connected to like Ahsoka. And I'd only watched Rebels once, so my Kanan-like connection wasn't as strong as it is now.
01:15:58
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Yeah, it's beautiful. it's I still need to go and like revisit that and just listen to those voices. It's so lush. And obviously some of them are probably recycled
Space Battle and Character Losses
01:16:08
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bits of dialogue from before um for people like Alec Guinness. I don't even know if Alec Guinness is in it. or Yeah, he is he is in there. You get Ewan's voice and then you get Alec Guinness' voice as well, but that's, yeah again, recycled. Yeah.
01:16:20
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But then the new cast, I presume like Ashley Eckstein and Freddie Prinze Jr., like the people who have played all these other animated characters, they must have got the call. Can you come and just this one line for us? Just send us a WhatsApp voice note. Yeah, most likely. And sign this NDA make sure. No one knows you've done Just for this one line. Sure. Sure.
01:16:41
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ah And then I wrote that we've got a really, really quite a gruesome Palpatine death. Yeah, he kind melts. He says he's died before. is see No one's ever really done. don't trust it. No.
01:16:59
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I have a feeling this might be it for Palpatine. I have a feeling we've had like... It would be a bit like, oh, come on. on. It would be an eye roll to be all eye rolls. here Yeah, yeah. And it is a spectacular death. We do see melting flesh. Yeah, grim.
01:17:16
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Ew. It's very Raiders of the Last Art. Pretty spectacular. Rey with her two sabers. Yeah. Absolutely taking them out. Amazing stuff. Love it. And then poor Ben.
01:17:27
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Broke me. Yeah. And it does seem very poignant to be talking about this in, you know, this little bit of time where people are talking about this new possible Ben Solo movie. Yeah. And yes, we see him vanish, but we've been talking quite a bit through this episode about force skills and yeah abilities And coming back. That some may consider unnatural. No, but that we've never seen before. Like yeah his last act is force healing that we don't know much about. and Yeah.
01:17:58
Speaker
Or at least a return of life force. like Yeah. That's very interesting. It is that interesting. So it's Rey is carrying around part of Kylo's life force. Yeah. As one half of a dyad, but also because he put it back into her to bring her back. To bring her back. Yeah.
01:18:14
Speaker
So there's all manner of stuff that might or might not happen in the future. report Yeah. We got to talk about the space stuff.
Ending, Representation, and Rey's Identity
01:18:23
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Space stuff. There's some pretty brutal stuff. Oh, it is quite brutal. I'm never going to forgive them for killing Snap Wexley because as a lover of the aftermath novels, it is a massive loss. yeah I know it doesn't mean so much in the just the context of this trilogy because we've hardly seen him. Yeah. But as a character, he's he's been in it a lot. and He's in Aftermath. And um Nora, and who's his mum, and Snap himself come up in that Resistance Reborn novel was talking about. Yeah. Which is by Rebecca Roanhorse, which great name, Roanhorse. That is a great name. Yeah.
01:19:02
Speaker
I love that. It's a really great novel actually of this like desperate attempt to rebuild the resistance from... It's basically the Millennium Falcon and all who is on the Millennium Falcon at the end of The Last Jedi. yeah Although Snap and some of the other X-Wing pilots, Black Squadron, which is like Poe's team, yeah they are elsewhere. They're not in the Battle of Crait. They're conveniently off doing something else. So they've survived. Yeah.
01:19:26
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okay And they reconnect and they're obviously very sad to hear the news that most of the resistance has been killed. But yeah, there's this kind of like build and Snap and his mother Nora, who's another one of the fighters in the Battle of Endor.
01:19:42
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um You know, we've really got to know them through all of these books and you become attached to them and just to see them crash down. Gone. Yeah. Yeah. Flame. There's quite a lot of brutal... We've talked about is lots of very brutal deaths over this trilogy. i only discovered today that Nyan Numb died in this film in and the bit where...
01:20:06
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you know The Tanta V4, the blockade runner that is was sort of Leia's dad's ship yeah and then was kind of Leia's ship. The one we see at the very beginning of A New Hope being captured by a Star Destroyer. Yeah, yeah. Because we see that take off from the Resistance planet at the be just before you know the big battle. Yeah. And we see it in the battle and we see it crashing down as Rey is having her like last chance to dance moment. Yeah, yeah. And Palpatine's crushing the the fleet.
01:20:35
Speaker
yeah and We see that ship go down in flames and apparently Nyan Numb was aboard, which is really sad. He's like Lando's co-pilot in Return of the Jedi. I can't remember the name of The Sullust. The Sullust. Okay, yeah. Sulluston. Sorry, not Sulluston.
01:20:50
Speaker
Sulluston's from the planet Sullust. Okay. We've come across quite a few other Celestons in and books, but that's another, don't go down another rabbit hole. More rabbit holes. Yeah, so apparently he didn't make either. He didn't make it either. Which really sad. Aww. But yeah, I love the kind of the push and pull of it, the hope. There's so much going on. Disaster and like, it's not going to happen. And then the fleet arriving, Lando, like in the Falcon, leading It's not a shot and Navy, they're just people. They're just people, which is exactly what we need to hear at the moment. Yeah, yeah there's ah a glimpse of the ghost, which is the rebel's ship yeah in in the kind of shot, the kind of closer in shot of the Falcon. yeah I'm sure there's loads of other ship Easter eggs.
01:21:35
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Wow. And Zori turns up as well with Babu Frick on board. Just a ragtag bunch of yeah bunch of stuff. I love it. i'm Just people. So many ships. I love it. It's so impressive.
01:21:48
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And then we're back for celebrations. Celebrations at the end. We've got our first same-sex Star Wars kiss, which we've got to mention as we're a slightly queer-leaning podcast. Very queer-leaning podcast. Sorry, Kate. Lama Desi and her wife, Robie Tice, who I did not know about. There you go Have you looked into them? Lama Desi was the person that I was trying to think of last week. She was yeah she's in the the light resistance. I don't know what her job is. Yeah.
01:22:17
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She's in it quite bit though, isn't she? She is, yeah. She has quite a lot lines. She's become recognisable as a resistance, higher up kind of thing. And I'm glad she survived. And her wife. It's really lush.
01:22:28
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Chewie gets medal, which I've got a question. Is it Han's medal? I wondered if it was Han's medal. I
Rey's Yellow Lightsaber Meaning
01:22:35
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assumed it was. Because Maz would have known and yeah like would have totally got it from Leia's possessions or whatever.
01:22:41
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Yeah. Because didn't Chewie get a medal at some point already? Or he not? No, he certainly didn't in A New Hope because it's okay it's the running joke that he roars. That's the last thing we hear. It's just like, where's me blimmin' medal? Okay, so yeah, it must be Hans' medal then.
01:22:59
Speaker
I reckon. yeah And I noticed in the background, we've got Poe, Finn and Rey cuddling each other. Yeah. the thruple and then in the background Chewie is with Billy Lord with Carrie Fisher's daughter and they're like sort of consoling each other or like hanging out together and it's like oh that's about the most meta that must have been weird yeah yeah like all very weird that is good I did enjoy the celebration Yeah, I did. Yeah. It felt really good. It felt really earned. And I felt like I was part of it, which I think is... Yeah, that's what they're going for. I saw some stills from it. I was doing some research earlier today and I saw some stills and it is beautifully shot. I mean, the whole film is incredibly well shot, but there's shots with lots of depth of field where there's many things going on. Many things going on at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Like longer lenses so you narrow the apparent distance between stuff. Yeah. So it feels like you're in amongst the crowd of people. Yeah.
01:24:02
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Some really cool light filmmaking stuff to make you feel that. Yeah. And then we've got this little epilogue. Can you come away feeling hopeful? We
Wilhelm Scream and Bonus Content
01:24:12
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do. The epilogue, which upset a lot of fanboys. Did it?
01:24:16
Speaker
Yeah. What are they not upset about? She's appropriating the name. was given it. You can clearly see she was given it by them. They're there. And if she hasn't earned it, I don't know who has. Like the the poetry of her taking that name to replace her Palpatine name. It's like, come on, guys. yeah That's fine. We know damn well those sabres are going to be dug up at some point. Yeah. Yeah.
01:24:45
Speaker
That's true. We've not seen the last of those, but I do love, I want Rey's lightsaber. Rey's lightsaber, yeah, that one is pretty cool. And it's got a different on thing. Yeah, the swivel s sortivel thing, because it's made of her old staff from The Force Awakens, like her Jakku staff. It's bits of that repurposed with a yellow kyber, which I don't know where she got that. At the time, i think this was the first yellow. note maybe we saw some yellows in Attack of the Clones. I think there's yellows in Attack of the Clones because there's a lot of colours going on. It's interesting. in like If it's in the role-playing game or in the old Legends stuff,
01:25:24
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Yellow lightsabers were generally owned by a certain type of people. And they were people that we sort of referred to as grey Jedis, who were like neither light nor dark. Interesting. Now, I think all of that has kind of been erased yeah from the current canon, from the Disney canon. But when I first saw this, I was very excited because I thought, this is great. Rey is like a new thing. She's like neither Jedi nor Sith. Yeah.
01:25:51
Speaker
Of course. And if it's like she's a grey Jedi, I mean, she's been wearing grey for the whole trilogy. So I did wonder if that's where they were going to go. But I don't think that. I think they're going with her being a new Jedi, a new jeno type of Jedi. A new thing. or saying yeah Which is fine. But as yeah you know you've just said, there were yellow ones in Attack of the Clones. of cho they were there Certainly we've seen yellow ones in The Acolyte, which is like...
01:26:14
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on the end of the High Republic era. It's like the earliest TV stuff that we've seen is um the Acolyte and there's definitely yellow. There's multicolored lightsabers in that.
01:26:26
Speaker
It's a very queer coded show. Excellent. Which is one of the reasons I loved it. But not just because that. I just love it because I just love the characters and everything, which we will come on to at some point. We'll get to it. We'll
Podcast Future and Listener Engagement
01:26:37
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get there. We'll get there.
01:26:38
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So I've got some facts for you. Give me some facts. So we were tracking Wilhelm screams. I've learned something about Wilhelm screams.
01:26:53
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That's the scream. That's the word. Wilhelm!
01:26:57
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Sorry, we're never going to hear the end of Wilhelm. Excellent. I love it. So. Continue. The Wilhelm scream. and You know how I said in our episode with Keshan that there wasn't ah it wasn't a proper Wilhelm scream? Yeah, in Attack the Clones. Yeah, in a Attack of the Clones. Yeah.
01:27:15
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It was take three of the Wilhelm scream or something stupid like that because there are actually five takes. Oh my God. Ben Burt got hold of this this scream and there are five takes of the scream. So actually there is more than one Wilhelm scream. There's the classic one, which you've got on your soundboard.
01:27:38
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That one, yeah. Yeah. But there are also four others. So there is a Wilhelm scream in Attack of the Clones, but it's one of the ones that's lesser known.
01:27:50
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Oh, my mind is reeling. With that said, there is no Wilhelm scream in Rise of Skywalker because they have replaced it with another scream called The George.
01:28:06
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Okay. And The George is a scream that George Lucas recorded 1973 for american Graffiti. Oh my god So they're no longer using the Wilhelmsgroom, but they are using the George, but they won't say where it is or what it's from. But it has also been in Rogue One. It first appeared in Rogue One and then again in The Rise of Skywalker.
01:28:35
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Right. I've got new bonus content. Find it. We'll get onto our plans for bonus content, but we're going to do an American Graffiti rewatch. I have seen it. I've watched it years and years and years ago, like 30 years ago probably. I haven't seen it. Okay. I've forgotten. I remember some of it. I remember some of the lines. remember it's got Ron Howard in it. Okay. And it's got Harrison Ford in it. Okay. Has it got Ron Howard? Pretty sure it has. It's a really fun film, actually.
01:29:04
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It'd probably be interesting to watch it with twenty first century eyes. Eyes. i think it is made with you know it was made in the seventy s yeah but it's set in the fifty s So it's like commenting on like the changes of culture and that kind of stuff. Yeah.
01:29:25
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Social mores and things. So it' would be interesting to rewatch it. So i think we need to rewatch it and rewatch that. Look out for any screens. And find the screen. And then cross-reference. Cross-reference with this. Rise of Skywalker. See if we can work out which one it is. And find out what is the George. And then we can get George on the soundboard. On the soundboard. To replace that. Until such times we do that, we are Wilhelm. So the Wilhelm is still in other Star Wars media, but it hasn't been in any films since The Force Awakens.
01:29:52
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Okay. That was the last time they used it. So wasn't in Last Jedi? Nope. Did we establish that? No, we did establish that. It's not there. No. cool so I love that little deep dive into the Wilhelm. Well, I i issue a formal apology for saying that it's not in the Attack of the Clones because it is it's it's just a different take. Technically it is. Technically it is.
01:30:15
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While I was preparing the soundboard, which i was doing 10 minutes before we started recording, I did go on YouTube and watch little video about the Wilhelm scream, but I didn't watch very much of it because I was really just trying to get the audio. Just trying to steal that sound clip. Which is where I got the yeah that bit as well.
01:30:31
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And I watched that. It has little a little clip of the film, which I can't remember the name of. So that shows how bad research is. did have that written down, but it's written somewhere else. Yeah. That could be another bit of bonus content, although I think it might be a bit tedious to watch the entire Western. Originally, one of the bits that I really enjoyed was ah originally, apparently, Benbert found it in a sound archive on a tape that was named Man Eaten by Alligator. And that's where the Wilhelm scream comes from. But he's the one who named it the Wilhelm scream after the character. Yeah, that's absolutely bizarre. But it is still a meme and it's still funny and I still love it.
01:31:12
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And um we're still will still continue to track it because it is it does pop up in other places. We need to do the American Graffiti rewatch quite soon so that we can start tracking with George. Yeah.
01:31:23
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Yeah. Talking of yeah bonus content, um cool today we are wrapping up our journey through the Skywalker saga. Oh my God. Or Jessica designated it, the Palpatine saga, which think she's on to something that. Yeah, she's probably right.
01:31:39
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So technically what we're saying, this is the end of a season one of Sisters of the Force. But fear not, we're not going anywhere. Nah, we've got too much to do. Next week, we've got a special random bonus episode for you where we're going to dip into one of the one-off Star Wars films.
01:31:54
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You can take your guess as to which because there's only two at the moment. Actually, well, there are multiple ones. There's ones as well. Yeah. But anyway, we're going to be looking at one of those in our usual way.
01:32:05
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Then we're going to have a week off and then we'll be back kicking off season two of the podcast with a two episodes of The Mandalorian.
01:32:16
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What? Where we'll have a very special guest. Nice. Which I'm super excited about talking about The Mandalorian. It's going be really interesting talking about a TV series. Yeah. Also, we're now getting into the territory of things that I have not seen. Yeah, which I love that for you it's going to be a watch and for me it's a rewatch. Yeah. So the dynamic is going to interesting. I have actually seen the first, a little bit of The Mandalorian, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember. It's going to be interesting.
01:32:49
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It's going to be super fun and it's going to be very Star Wars and I'm just here for that. Excellent. Until then, thank you for listening. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and Blue Sky. Search for Sisters of the Force, or if you just go Sisters of the Force pod on Instagram, you'll find us.
01:33:09
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01:33:56
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01:34:11
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01:34:26
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yeah See you next week. See you next week for our special bonus film breakdown. Can't wait. Bye. Bye.