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The Run Testers Podcast | Interview With Eddbud
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In this podcast series, we speak to our friends from the world of running about all sorts of stuff, from training and racing to the million-dollar question, "what would be your Frankenstein running shoe?"
In this episode, we chat with running shoe YouTuber Eddbud. Expect plenty of discussion about midsole foams, the best songs to listen to during a marathon and what brands are worth keeping an eye on over the coming months.
To watch Edd's YouTube channel, click here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Pnc_D6UQfr1hvPtLZLvjw
You can also find him on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/eddbud/?hl=en
Perfect for that Sunday long run.
Big thanks to Fear of Tigers for the killer intro music. You can listen to more of his stuff over at https://www.patreon.com/fearoftigers
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Transcript
Introduction to Podcast Series
00:00:04
Speaker
Hey Tommy from The Run Testers and welcome to The Run Testers Podcast. This one is slightly different than that of the other episodes because this isn't our monthly podcast where we talk about all the stuff that we've been testing. This is a new series that we're doing where we speak to other people in the world of running shoe testing.
00:00:20
Speaker
So the first one of those that we're going to have on is Ed Wood, a man that you're probably well aware
Interview with Ed Wood Begins
00:00:25
Speaker
of. If you're a fan of YouTube running shoe reviews, he's going to be speaking to me about loads of different things from his favorite running shoe rotations, the sort of foam he likes to what he thinks going to happen in the world of running shoes in the next year or so. So let's jump in and have a chat.
00:00:49
Speaker
So Ed, welcome to the podcast. You're the first guest we're having on from the world of StuTubers, I suppose we'd call ourselves. Very privileged. Thank you for having me today. It's very exciting. Up here in the new studio here as well. So it's kind of, it's all new things happening. It's great.
00:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, it's looking nice. You're in a completely new room now for your long time fans. Yeah, a new room, lots more room so I can get more shoes and also I've got better access to all my CDs and vinyl and everything. Everything's just going to be a bit easier really and I'm out of the way.
00:01:28
Speaker
Most important, my wife is much happier now. What's happening with the other room? I think my daughter's probably going to head in there, and then we've moved down from here. So this used to sort of be my bedroom, but now it's the shoes sanctum. That's the new name. I've just decided that. Just that second. Look forward to the launch video on the channel. It's out there now, I think. It's out there on the web somewhere. You'll be able to find it. People will know where it is.
Purpose of the Series
00:01:57
Speaker
Well, for listeners of the Runetesters podcast, which is what this is, if you haven't heard of Ed, and I imagine you probably have since you spend a lot of time looking on YouTube for shoe videos, Ed's a YouTube presenter channel of, what's the channel called? It's just Edbud channel? Edbud running shoe reviews, but I think you could probably sort of change it to sort of Edbud and people probably know what they're going to get then. They know what they're going to get. Yeah.
00:02:26
Speaker
You've built a brand, haven't you? People know what they're expecting from you.
00:02:30
Speaker
Something like that. Well, this, this, this series is designed to, we're going to be speaking to various people in the world of running from basically people who review shoes to just people who have things to say in the world of running. So what we're just going to, we're just going to chat through a few key questions and try and get a bit of insight into your views around running shoes, the world of running, loads of other pieces as well. So no, no holds barred. Don't, don't hold back. Let's go.
Ed's Running Journey
00:03:00
Speaker
All right, let's let's kick off when with nice easy one, how did you get into running it? I've always been into running since sort of school really I can remember doing some track events I was always like the 100 or 200 meter man I think just because I had long legs really and I was pretty fair I've always maintained my fitness even through the sort of rock and roll days and they're going to bed very very late days and
00:03:29
Speaker
I've always tried to sort of keep fit. But then got back into running really, and, you know, wanted to sort of do it more. And I've always sort of been a bit of a sneaker head really, since I was about eight or nine, chopping out bits of, you know, magazines and brochures and things like that, making collages of shoes, drawing them as well when I was little. So it's those two things of kind of amalgamated in the middle, I guess. Yeah, but getting back into running really,
00:03:56
Speaker
round about seven years ago. That was when I thought, right, I want to I want to actually go, let's do a race, you know, these races here. I didn't realize that was going on. And yeah, I think the shoes kind of and the sneakers kind of met in the middle somewhere. I think that's I think that's what happened, although I don't really recall much of the last four years. It's just gone like it's just disappeared. Yeah.
00:04:19
Speaker
Well, you've done plenty of running in the last few years. Yeah, yeah, plenty of running. That's kind of why I leave these up, actually, in some of the early races where I started racing. It just makes you humble. You remember where you've come from and where you are now and the progress you've made. I think it's easy to forget that sometimes.
00:04:38
Speaker
We think, oh, it was hard out there today or something. Maybe I'm going backwards when actually you're not really at all. You've made a huge improvement over your fitness and your times and things. It's easy to forget that sometimes.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yes, I completely agree. I like looking back through my old Instagram post from about seven years ago and being proud of a PB I got. Yeah, I've completely forgotten about because I'm so focused on my new ones. Yeah, this is it. You've got to remember where you've come from. That's always important in life, isn't it? It's a good motivator as well. You know, you're always making some progress or gaining some experience at least. Yeah. All right. That's enough about how you got into it. Let's just jump straight
First Impressions of Nike Vaporfly 4% Flyknit
00:05:20
Speaker
into the shoes. That's what the people want to hear about.
00:05:27
Speaker
This is a question that I think about this one and I remember my first one, but what was the first running shoe you just used to remember being blown away by? You got a new shoe and suddenly you put it on and the world changed for you. I can remember.
00:05:44
Speaker
Heading into work one Thursday morning and there was a rumor that the vapor fly 4% the fly net version was gonna Like they were I don't know if it was the initial drop. I don't think it was I think it was like the sort of second drop and I remember being able to get a pair of those and They had like a 20% off thing if you bought three items So of course you put a couple of pairs of socks in in the basket to you know to get the discount and managing to get them
00:06:14
Speaker
And I remember putting them on and just thinking, oh my God, this is something completely different to everything else that I've tried, everything else that I've got. But the major problem, obviously, with that shoe was you wore them a couple of times and already looked on the bottom and the durability was just absolute trash. No one can tell me that they weren't. They just started disintegrating as soon as you wore them, especially in the wet conditions as well, Zumek stuff.
00:06:42
Speaker
the early ones just weren't up to up to uk weather that's for sure you know yesterday it was like bone dry today it's absolutely chucking it down out there it's really wet and you you wore those out there they were finished you know within no time at all
00:06:57
Speaker
You had the bits peeling off the bottom. I always remember this sort of almost like a suction pad style thing was going on. Every time you put a bit of pressure on, the water would sort of get in and sort of cause this sort of weird noise to occur. I remember trashing a pair of those doing this race out in Wellington, this monument race, which part of it, which I didn't realize.
00:07:19
Speaker
was on some mud and like a sort of like light trail and yeah they absolutely lacerated the bombs but they were the first shoe when you put them on you you go for it all out and they were something out of this world completely different yeah i imagine uh that's probably the same for a lot of people when that shoe came in it was uh groundbreaking against all the other ones out there have you still got them i do still have that pair uh somewhere
00:07:45
Speaker
There's a load of shoe glue on the bottom to kind of hold them together. But the upper was really, really great as well, that flyknit stuff. Why they haven't persisted with that, I've no idea. They've sort of gone for these engineered meshes and these sort of like, you know, sort of weaves and things. But that flyknit was...
00:08:02
Speaker
Brilliant. It's like sock really, you know. Yeah, I've never used it. Never used that shoe. Have you not? No, I remember one Black Friday sale. They were in the Black Friday sale probably a similar time when you picked them up.
00:08:16
Speaker
And I think they're going for 120 quid or something like that. And for some reason, I didn't buy them. And then after then, they just disappeared. And then I was trying. Yeah, I know they had a few issues with production and stuff like that. They were really limited for a while, really hard to get hold of. And you had loads of pairs knocking around like on StockX and GOAT and things like that. But yeah, that's a great shoe. I did get a pair of the Gakuso version of that, which was this like,
00:08:45
Speaker
It was kind of a redesign really. You had like a counter, but it was on the outside of the shoe. So of course everybody's doing that now, but yeah, that was a great shoe. That was a really good version of that one. But again, if you get to 100, 150 miles and they're still reasonable, you've done okay.
00:09:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. Well, that's, uh, well, that's the first pick we've had from the series. So interested to see if that one comes up again. I'm sure it is going to come up a few more times. All right. And so let's, uh, look at from that first shoe to let's go for now.
Favorite Running Shoes
00:09:20
Speaker
What, what are your current favorite shoes at the moment? And you can only have maximum of three, which will be here all day. Right. What am I really enjoying now? Uh, probably.
00:09:34
Speaker
the DV8 Nitro 2, the Elite 2. I'm loving this one. I'm saving these back for racing, really. But the other pair I've got, I'm loving those for everything. You just put them on and you don't even have to have to think. Sometimes if you're just going out, you've got no session in mind and it will just work if you want to do faster stuff, if you want to do something slower, long runs, everything, it just works. It works a treat. So that would certainly be up there.
00:10:03
Speaker
I've still got it in the rotation. It's coming up to about 150 miles on it now, but the Primax strung. I really love that shoe. Everything about it, really. It does feel, though, with Light Strike Pro, you need to use it a little bit to kind of almost it's kind of like meat where you've got the meat tenderizer. You've got to kind of beat the shoe up a little bit and it starts to feel better and better and it kind of frees up a little bit. So that'll probably be in there. And what else have I really enjoyed using?
00:10:30
Speaker
I got to be honest, the invincible run three, that's been a great shoe for me. Yeah. Um, easy recovery stuff. I don't really like running daily miles. It's just too soft and squashy for me for that. I know some people love it for like long runs as well, but.
00:10:45
Speaker
Yeah, for me, it feels like I'm putting loads of energy in, but not really getting an awful lot back from it. But yeah, if there's days where my legs just feel dead, and I want to try and get out the door and do something, just to just to keep things going almost for mental health, really, that will be the shoe I probably go for. So yeah, I'll say those three and probably retire in the invincible run now is just loads of other stuff I want to try and get through. But yeah, that'll be my that'll be my three for the moment. Good text.
00:11:12
Speaker
Good picks. I'd say exactly the same thing about the Invincible that I always say in, it's a tricky shoe to pinpoint because if you were going to buy a cushion shoe, I wouldn't buy that shoe as like my go-to cushion shoe because you can't use it for anything else. So yeah, I find it a tricky one. For certain people, it just works. It's exactly what they need. But for people who just want a cushion shoe to do long runs and stuff and they generally get it and go, still rather wear my new balance more V4s or something like that. Just a little bit more to those shoes.
00:11:41
Speaker
Yeah, that more V4 keeps cropping up all the time. I get so many people asking me about that one. It's just not one I've really looked at. Still my favorite shoe. Oh, really? Okay. Absolutely love it. What is it you love about it, Tom? What makes it so good? Just a great balance. It's not too soft.
00:12:03
Speaker
It's got a nice little bit of rocking action in it. It just feels very efficient. It's the sort of shoe that you just, whatever you're doing, as long as you're not going out to do a speed session or something, if I'm going out and I've got to do an hour, an hour and a half, and it's comfortable, I always want that shoe. Yeah. Did you try the SC Trainer?
00:12:24
Speaker
the yes i've got the sc trainer yeah what did you what did you make of that one a fully old shoe the sc trainer it's it's sort of uh i remember putting it on first i was sharing in chicago at the time so i was doing a lot of like longer temperance and stuff and i wasn't quite sure what to use it for but i remember putting it on and thinking for the first like 15k this is great i'm loving this this is
00:12:45
Speaker
this runs really enjoyable and then after that started to just started to feel a little bit clunky and a little bit like i was i'd lost that feeling by about 15 to 20k um have you have you tried that i've got it yeah and i think i've got exactly the same feelings um as you about that one it felt really great uh initially
00:13:06
Speaker
And then I think the foam itself, um, fuel, so it's just so soft that I think it just starts to compress too much. And then it just becomes a bit of a chore almost. It just like, and you're thinking this has got like some carbon plate in it or something. Yeah. Am I, if I really got that underfoot and then it just felt like any other sort of shoe really, I yeah, just sort of quickly diminished that one. It's not one I think, Oh, I really want to go for that today. That's, that's the shoe I want to wear.
00:13:36
Speaker
I just haven't had that at all in the SU trainer. There's too many carbon plates in shoes these days, isn't there, when you don't need them? Yeah, sometimes you just think to yourself, why is this here? Is it needed? I often think about that with the Zoom Fly series. I don't know if you've tried many of those. I've tried one of them, not any recent ones.
00:13:56
Speaker
Yeah, I had the Zunefly Flyknit. That was fantastic. That was a great shoe. But I'm convinced they've changed the React formula or something since then. And three, four and five have
Racing and Daily Use Preferences
00:14:06
Speaker
just been total clunkers. You know, just really not pleasant. And if anything, Nike lacked that training partner shoe. You know, why don't they just make a
00:14:15
Speaker
react and zoom X shoe with a you know like a plastic plate in it and you know this year there's your budget vapor fly but you know yeah it's tricky like you tend to do that quite a lot don't they uh that they have a shoe that they don't really do anything with for a long time and just keep releasing it and then another shoe they're actually doing loads to and and you just get these old on forgotten ones but yeah definitely zoom fly uh well they did try a bit in there with a tempo next percent but then
00:14:42
Speaker
They left that completely. I don't know. They're going to go back to that. They're still knocking out new colorways of it now as well. That's like three years later or something. It's bizarre. I quite like that shoe, but I don't see them making another one. I'd be blown away if they came out with another tempo next percent or whatever it is now. They've changed the name of it even. It's the Nike tempo now.
00:15:05
Speaker
They make some very strange decisions at Nike. They just sort of, you know, they'll go where the wind blows and then forget about the other bits and pieces. Whereas lots of other brands, we just talked about the Kumbara range. Some brands are just so consistent with sort of keep releasing the same shoes.
00:15:22
Speaker
Just keep knocking it out. But yeah, it's odd. It does make you wonder whether the race and the sort of everyday trainer teams at Nike are sort of connected in some way or they just kind of do their own thing. They're completely sort of isolated from each other. It's very strange.
00:15:42
Speaker
Well, that's the next question. It leads on quite nicely from that one. And I know we both went to Boston recently to head over and chat to some of the guys over at Puma. And I think we spoke about this when we're over there. But what is your favorite foam? How easy is that to answer? Well, I think over over a sort of long period of time, I've really grown to like Light Strike Pro. But then again, I look at my times and my sort of performances. I kind of like running in it, but
00:16:12
Speaker
I'm not sure it gets the best out of me. I really don't. I don't think anybody that's tried the Vaporfly or perhaps even the Alphafly can say that there's a few people that it hasn't worked for, but I know some of my best performances are in the Vaporfly.
00:16:28
Speaker
than the next percent, the next percent two. I'm not absolutely dead set on the three yet for a few reasons, really. But yeah, I think as a race phone for racing, you know, Zumex, it takes some beating, doesn't it, really?
00:16:43
Speaker
it really does so it's hard not to not to go with that as a foam i enjoy on a sort of more daily basis at the moment i'm really liking the the nitro stuff in the puma shoes there's just so many different sort of versions and variants and they all seem to do something different but you can kind of understand why they've used certain versions in different shoes whereas in with other brands um
00:17:07
Speaker
I won't name any, but with other brands, there's just total confusion about what a shoe should be used for, and it just makes it confusing. I think sometimes where we're nerding out on all this stuff, if we can't figure it out, then the average person on the street that just wants to buy a running shoe probably isn't going to figure it out either. It's a little bit like one of those interfaces you get on something. If an IT technician can't figure it out, then
00:17:33
Speaker
Mrs. Muggin's, you know, on a tablet at home isn't gonna be able to do it, you know, so yeah, it feels a bit like that. But yeah, Zumex, Zumex for racing, but I'm very tempted to use the Devate Nitro Elite 2 for Bristol. So I might go with that because it just feels comfortable. I can remember at some point running the Bristol half before and I wasn't feeling that comfortable in another shoe.
00:17:59
Speaker
I'll ask you about that afterwards. I did see your video recently actually with the uh with the vaporfly the three and the rubber that's caused quite a stir that video there's been a lot of people talking about that I know it's a tricky one that one I um to listeners who haven't seen my video my the bottom of my vaporfly threes came off the first 10k of uh
00:18:22
Speaker
the outsole came off the first 10k of a half marathon I was doing and just completely tore off. Now I can sort of accept that that may happen on shoes occasionally. There's manufacturing faults, there's concerns about things might happen to the occasional shoe.
00:18:40
Speaker
But what I found quite a bit is that people are still debating on what that actually means. So some people are just going, oh, it's just a manufacturing fault. But because it's a new shoe, if I saw that, I would think, well, I'm going to hold off a little bit now because they've changed the outsole, they've made it thinner. Is this a result of that? And that never happens to be in any of the shoes. So yeah, I really want to get hold of another pair of those just to see what happens again, because that'd be pretty conclusive.
00:19:05
Speaker
yeah i noticed the big sort of thing that the major difference really um in this version is that additional rubber stretches back a little bit further but then the problems i've always seen in the vapor fly and this is people that are like you know four foot
00:19:21
Speaker
Strikers, mid-foot, rear, whatever. It's always that area of the Zoom-X where the rubber connects with it. It just seems to loosen up and yeah, it does happen. I've seen it happen many times over the last few years with the Vaporfly and it only seems to be that shoe. Yeah, interesting. Well, yeah, I've been waiting for people to come back in the comments and say, oh, this happened to me, but nobody said it yet. So, yeah, it might be.
00:19:45
Speaker
Might not be a common thing to happen, but I never have any issues with bits of shoes coming off. I've got a pretty simple mid-foot strike. Yeah, this is it. I think maybe just dodgy glue or something, it could be. But yeah, I've not seen any others yet. Mine are looking okay. Good.
00:20:03
Speaker
All right then, so this is a tricky question for you.
Critique on Shoe Design Features
00:20:07
Speaker
What would I have thought with this question? I've got a list of things that I could throw into this, but give us one of the most infuriating running shoe design features that brands have done or do frequently. There's two that spring to mind, I think.
00:20:23
Speaker
I really can't stand pull tabs. And sometimes you get two. You get one on the tongue and then there's one on the heel. I always untie my shoes, loosen them off, and take my foot out of them. When I want to put them back on, I just cinch them up again. Because I'm always thinking to myself, not every sock that I've got is the same thickness.
00:20:48
Speaker
And sometimes I'm running in the morning where my foot's going to not be as swollen. Sometimes I'm running in the evening where it's going to be a little bit more swollen. Why would I just leave it, you know, tied up? So why do I need to have these pull tabs here? I'm not. There's only two shoes really that I've had problems trying to get on. Actually, that's one of them out there. The
00:21:08
Speaker
AlphaFly 2. That's pretty tough getting that shoe on. And then the other one, I think it's probably like the Rocket X2 recently. It springs to mind, but there's no pull tabs on that as far as I'm aware. I don't think there is. So yeah, I just don't get it. I know some people love them.
00:21:27
Speaker
They're like, oh, yeah, it's got a pull tab. This is a great feature. And it's like, okay. That's something you want. Fantastic. But I don't see the point. Other bit, I know we did talk about this when we were over in Boston was about those little reflective pieces that you get on shoes. And I can remember somebody did mention, you know, in a comment, they said, well, you know, that reflective piece, it could save your life. And I'm thinking if you wear a high vis jacket or a headlamp, yeah.
00:21:54
Speaker
surely that's going to be a better option if you're running very early morning or during the night or something. I think that's going to be a better option. Reflective bits, they just seem to be irritating and they always put them in really odd places where you don't want something. It's going to rub against your foot. It's just not a selling feature, I don't think, unless you're making a shield
00:22:16
Speaker
water repellent or water resistant shoe. I just don't really think it's just not needed. Those are probably the two things. If you're running around at night and then there's a car driving up the street and it just sees a little flickering light on the floor.
00:22:32
Speaker
It's probably going to do my harm and good because you don't know what it is. You might swerve or something. If you're going to run around at night, don't rely on a small reflective letter on your shoes. It's like a marketing thing, isn't it? It's just something else to add to the bullet points on a running shoe website. But yeah, it always gets me. I would say with clothes as well.
00:22:52
Speaker
little others are effective detailing on the on the jacket yeah it's a small logo on the back that's yeah that's probably not going to help you there's a chap i see in the mornings uh and he wears this it's the most reflective jacket that i've ever seen in my life i don't know what it's made out of
00:23:09
Speaker
but when your headlamp hits it you can see this guy like hundreds of meters away as he's coming towards you you know it's the most reflective thing ever so yeah i think running shoe brands or you know apparel brands if you're going to make something do it like that because you know then we can all walk around and we'll look like cybermen and that that's that's exactly what you need you know to stay safe out there is to to to be a cyber i'm all for the cyberman look absolutely yeah all right well it's the look of the picture
00:23:36
Speaker
or the past or whatever. All right, I'm going to ramp things up a bit now.
Dream Shoe Design
00:23:41
Speaker
We've talked about a few of these bits, but if you were to design, I've called this the Frankenstein shoe. So basically, if you could design a shoe from all of different elements from different shoes, what are you going to add into this shoe? What does it look like from all the different brands? I'm trying to go straight off the bat here, rather than thinking about it too much. It's like if you think too much, then you go down other avenues.
00:24:05
Speaker
Upper wise, I would just go with the Flyknit that we used to have on the Nike from 2018, 2019. That was fantastic. Really durable. It was easy to wash it, to clean it if you wanted to, if it got really mucky. It was just really form-fitting. That's what I go for on the upper. It's like a groan then. For the midsole, I've had to go for, I don't know, you've got to go like a combination or something.
00:24:34
Speaker
the shoe we're going for is like a daily shoe, because it might be a daily shoe. So you want something that sort of ticks a few boxes. I mean, if we did this for, you know, Frankenstein race shoe, probably very different than a Frankenstein
00:24:46
Speaker
And yeah, easy day cushion shoe. Let's do just a daily shoe that takes a lot of boxes. Daily shoe. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, I'd probably go with a bit of a layer of nitro and then a layer of zoom X. So you've got something like the old Pegasus turbo. So we've got, you know, you've got a bit of best of both worlds there.
00:25:05
Speaker
And then, yeah, combo of Puma Grip and Continental on the bottom. That would do it. I had a feeling that Puma Grip was going to crop up in these. Oh, it's good stuff, man. You know it. You know how good that stuff is. What is in it? He wouldn't tell me. Todd wouldn't tell me. I asked him. He was not forthcoming. Yeah. He didn't want to go off the record. Yeah. If Puma ever changes that outsole, there's going to be people upset. It's just...
00:25:33
Speaker
It's got something else about it. I don't know what it is. I mean, it's not actually hugely different from anything else. I did see a mock up the other day. I don't know if it's a mock up. It might have been a leaked image of that new. Is it the ultra fly that new Nike trail? Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:49
Speaker
But with a Vibram outsole and I mean that that caused a lot of big stir like what you know This surely must be a custom job or something like that But that'll be interesting to see if Nike do that because the out soles on their trail sheets have left something to be desired That's the nice way to say yes. I don't you say
00:26:12
Speaker
All right, so we've got your Frankenstein shoe. We're talking mainly about shoes in this, but let's just throw in something a little bit different. I think everyone's got one of these. What's your favorite go-to running accessory that you can't live without? It could be a type of accessory or it could be a very specific accessory that you use all the time. Yeah, that's a good one. A really good question. So with GPS watches, I've got the most bony wrists going. They just
00:26:38
Speaker
Heart rate doesn't work well from this. I'm not sort of like a prisoner of heart rate or anything. That's a bizarre sort of way to put it, but I do use it often just to check my effort level really. Am I running it the sort of effort that I wanted to in a certain session?
00:26:55
Speaker
And coming off the wrist here, it's just useless sometimes. I can't get a reasonable reading, especially if it's wet. If I'm out there and it's wet, it just seems to freak out and go crazy like I'm running at some, like anaerobic level or something, and I'm not, I'm just cantering along. So I use a Polar OH1+, so just around the sort of the top part of my arm. And that seems to give me some really good readings. I've had that thing for about like four and a half, five years, something like that.
00:27:24
Speaker
and it keeps on working. It's got reasonably good battery life and it's just consistent. So it just gives me a really good consistent reading.
00:27:34
Speaker
And yeah, that's one thing that I never leave home without. Well, I do, you know, if I'm going to the cinema or something like that, you don't need to go to the pub, you know, you don't really need to monitor your heart rate levels there. No, but if there was anyone out there I expected to wear a heart rate strap or their arm to the pub, it would be you. Well, you know, you could do it. It'd be an interesting video actually, wouldn't it? You know, as you're playing pool. In fact, the only time
00:27:59
Speaker
the gps watch ever tells me to relax and take and you know do some recovery is while i'm in the middle of a pool match so there you go running any of that doesn't affect it but when i'm playing pool apparently that is the most pressured situation going yeah yeah that says a lot so i might actually do that tom that could be a good
00:28:19
Speaker
Yeah, that's a whole video. There's a whole video series. I'm guessing you're normally drinking and out when playing pool, though. You are very right, sir. I'm spotting links here, but I'll still watch the video. I'll still watch the video. All right. So that's the polar. Oh, it's one. Oh, it's one. I think it's like a set, a new version, but they called it something else. But it's basically the same product that Versa or something. I don't know. It's something like that.
00:28:45
Speaker
Very good. Very cheap. Very usable and just keeps on going, which is like me. All right, so you may have answered this already from your favourite shoes at the moment. What's your quick rotation looking like? Yeah, it's not far off that really. I have been using the
00:29:02
Speaker
Magnafly 2's are over here somewhere. So yeah, I've been using these a lot actually. Really enjoying these. Just from a sort of multi-function sort of thing. I might try and take the the puma off here actually. I am noticing. Not a fan of that. It just feels like it's a bit constrictive over the top of my toe. Because that's the only part that hasn't got that stretchy stretchy. Yeah, I haven't spotted that. That seems like an odd addition to the fabric.
00:29:30
Speaker
Aside from that though, I really like this shoe. It's a little bit lighter than some of those other sort of more maximally cushioned shoes as well, like the Nimbus 25 or the Invincible actually. It's coming in less than that, so just got a little bit more pop to it as well than the Invincible. So yeah, a bit more usable that one. The other shoe I'm really enjoying is that Rocket X2. I haven't tried many Hoka shoes the last couple of years,
00:29:54
Speaker
I think the last one I tried was probably like the Mac 4, but really enjoying the Rocket X2. Just really light, nimble, get a good lock down on it. It just seems to hook my foot better.
00:30:06
Speaker
The problem I've had with Hoka shoes in the past is that the upper, I'd seem to have to cinch the sides of the upper right across the top of my foot. I don't have a particularly narrow foot, but the upper is always a bit odd, but this one's spot on, so I'm really enjoying that one. I've just got in the Pegasus 40.
00:30:26
Speaker
And I've got to be honest, I loved the midsole and the outsole on the 39 from a daily sort of knocking about perspective. And it's kind of doing the same thing, but slightly better with a slightly thinner upper. So I'm enjoying that so far. Have you have you raced in the Rocket X2 yet? I haven't raced in that yet. It'd be good to try it. Have you gone out in that one time at all racing? No, I'm doing a Hackney half in two weeks with Hocka. So I will be wearing the Rocket X2 there, but
00:30:55
Speaker
Yeah, I like it. I just not sure if my only concern is that it may not be cushioned enough for me. Okay. I know there's cushioning in it, but it feels like it's not as much as I normally want from my shoes. I've been running like the Outfly and the Pro 3 for races over the past few months, and it might be a little bit too lean for me.
00:31:17
Speaker
It might not be, and I'm looking forward to it. It feels quick. It feels nimble, that one. It's such a good weight as well. But the upper, for me, it just feels like it's reconnecting me with the actual midsole. I think that's what, you know, an upper needs to do that. People say it's comfortable, it's plush or whatever, but it's just got to get you down on top of that midsole.
00:31:38
Speaker
It makes it makes the midsole work. Sometimes there are ratios that just doesn't doesn't happen But that one it does for me at the moment. So yeah, that's probably the the three I'm kind of tinkering around with at the moment. All right Well, they're talking about races. You've done a few
00:31:54
Speaker
over the past few years, what's your favourite one? Favourite one is a local race actually, the Martok 10k, so it's literally down the road, it's about, I don't know, probably no more than about eight miles away, something like that, maybe even less. Really fast route out in the countryside, you get a lot of people coming down, so some quick people coming from the local areas,
00:32:16
Speaker
from the surrounding counties. And it's just a really nice route, not too many turns. It's literally like almost like a figure eight coming into the end. No laps or anything like that. It's just one sort of point to point race figure eight. It kind of feels a little bit like one of those old Skeletrix tracks, you know, that you can just blast it all the way. And it's hardly any elevation on it at all, nice and flat. So
00:32:39
Speaker
yeah it's a really good one to check out perhaps if you're down in that area in the Somerset area come on down to the Martok 10k it's a really good race and good fun yeah it's out in the countryside as well nice clean air and yeah there's some good pubs in Martok as well so there we go nice love a local race always always my favorites
00:32:59
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I agree with you there. If you can get to a local one. Also, you don't have all the stress and sort of hanging about trying to get somewhere. How am I going to get to the start? Where am I going to stay? How am I going to get back? All that kind of stuff. Your mind's kind of free and sometimes you perform a bit better at those if you're nearby.
00:33:17
Speaker
I just like the, you know, you know, when you do these big races like, you know, Hackney Half and all these ones and all the people working there that it's their job and you know, it's the job. And when you come and do these local ones, most of them are just people who just want to put on a race. They just love putting on a race. They've spent nights just sat going through the route and
00:33:37
Speaker
planning out how to get the bananas and everything. I always find that more enjoyable when you get to finish line. I very rarely do I say at the end that a finish line of a big race, like thanks to the organizers and stuff, but it's always nice to see them at the end just pleased that it's worked and people have got across the finish line with no issues. With Martok, it finishes right near the fire station in Martok and the firemen are normally out and they're squirting people with the hoses as they come through to cool them down.
00:34:04
Speaker
I think that one's in June, so it's not far off now. So yeah, it's a few weeks' time. I'll definitely do that one. Regardless of what condition I'm in at the time, I will be there. Yeah, well, you can't miss it now. Absolutely.
00:34:16
Speaker
All right well let's uh okay this is a big question this is a very big question which we discuss quite a lot on the channel and it changes quite a bit so this we discuss this every year and something crops up and you know there's a new there's a new answer but what are going to be what do you think are going to be the most exciting running shoe brands over the next year or next couple of years?
Future of Running Shoe Brands
00:34:37
Speaker
I look at this one from three perspectives really. You can get rid of some of the brands and say, who's been going backwards? Well, I think, to be honest, Nike have gone backwards a little bit with some of their daily shoes. The bread and butter shoes, they've just not been great. They've been okay. They've been all right.
00:34:56
Speaker
If you think about Saucony, they had the Speed and the Speed 2, really great shoes. The Speed 3, it seems to have, they've kind of nerfed it a bit almost. It was almost like too good, if you see what I mean. And then we've got a very high-end shoe there that doesn't really seem to have taken off too much.
00:35:13
Speaker
So putting those two aside, Adidas got a load of problems at the moment, obviously surrounding the Yeezy situation. They got a load of stock and a lot of money tied up and a load of things they can't sell. So hopefully running won't become a thing. They kind of pushed to the side a little bit because they seem to have got a bit of traction here at the moment in terms of the podium positions. People are really aware about Adidas shoes at the moment.
00:35:41
Speaker
So, you know, they're kind of in the middle somewhere. Bit of a dark horse, depending what happens with the sale of the company from Adidas itself, is Reebok. Reebok always had some interest in shoes. I really liked the Run Fast series. They were great. You know, P-backs, midsole. This was
00:36:00
Speaker
way before anyone else is doing that as well and you've got that energy X as well that was a good sort of cruising sort of shoe with a carbon plate very affordable for people as well let's not forget people are pretty skin right now and people are really struggling in fact in some areas so i sort of look at them as a bit of a dark horse maybe they'll they could go one or two ways really with Reebok
00:36:21
Speaker
But at the moment, just doing things that are completely out there. We know more than some people. We're not allowed to talk about it yet, and we won't be able to for some time yet. But there's some amazing stuff coming. Interesting things, innovative things, stuff that is going to make people sort of go,
00:36:45
Speaker
What what is that which is gonna call you know that that's what people thought when the vapor fly first appeared i remember getting those shoes and going to like a local race and people looking at my feet and what the hell is that you know what are those like like clown shoes you know you can wear those to run seriously,
00:37:03
Speaker
And now, if you don't wear something like that, people are like, why aren't you wearing those? So that's where we've come with that. So something looks crazy. I remember seeing the vapor fly next percent. You'll probably remember seeing that shoe. And like, really? That's what it's going to look like? And now that's just accepted. I saw somebody walking around down at the seafront in vapor flies the other day.
00:37:30
Speaker
They definitely weren't going running or anything. There you go. I know in a lot of the sort of sneakerhead videos, there's a guy called Seth Fowler. He's a real big sneakerhead. He's done a video recently, which is the 10 most comfortable sneakers. All of them are running shoes, every single one. This guy's normally got Jordans and Yeezys and things like that. All of them were running shoes. He had like New Balance in there, the Invincible run.
00:37:56
Speaker
ASIC stuff, Hocus, they're all there. It's transcended across from running again back into the casual area, I guess on running. They could be the ones as well that produce something really interesting this year. I know that they've been improving in terms of the actual cushion that is available with the Cloud Surfer. I think Puma and Onn, they could be the two that actually really make some moves this year.
00:38:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'd agree. We do in our awards at the end of the year, we have a new award, which is brand of the year. And it's for it can be any brand doesn't have to be running shoes, it can be watches or anything. But last year, it was it was just hands down. So that everything that that brand released was exciting. It was it was it was refreshing. It was good. Don't think it's looking like it's going to go that way this year. But I do I'd agree with you on your humor and on it. Yeah, could go either way, really.
00:38:53
Speaker
Yeah, they got just there's a load of stuff coming. It's going to be really exciting, especially with on picking up some, you know, major wins as well with their athletes. You know, that's a, that's a telling sign, isn't it? I don't think you could, people say, Oh, you know, Kip Chogo, he could wear a pair of Nike Pegasus and he could still win. I, I think that he'd still struggle a little bit, you know, that's not what the shoes really designed for there.
00:39:18
Speaker
You know, the Alpha Fly is very much his shoe, isn't it? It's been designed by him. We've seen all the notes and things that he's made about the shoes and the different prototypes. That's very much Nike's kind of Jordan brand now, isn't it, for running. And they'll keep going with that for as long as they can, I would have thought. At least until, you know, they properly sign up Kipton and get a special shoe for him because he looks like the real deal, doesn't he?
00:39:45
Speaker
Yeah. Well, it's interesting, actually, you mentioned that with shoes making a difference. And I'm firmly in the count that shoes do make a difference. You know, I've raced because I've been testing, you know, I've raced in shoes that I would never, ever normally race in and then weren't designed for racing. I raced in the Brooks Glitter in 20 last year. And yeah, that was not a PB race for me. That was not a PB race. But we get a lot of comments where
00:40:14
Speaker
And people who I speak to are saying, the shoe doesn't matter, it's all you, but I'm not sure that's true. I think the shoe does make a difference. And it's a good example there. I'd love to see Joe Gay go and run a marathon wearing like
00:40:30
Speaker
you know, Brooks Ghost 15 or something, really see how he does in that because that would be pretty conclusive. I think as well some of it is what people are using in training. So no one can tell me that if you're not using a good rotation of shoes with some really advanced cushioning that
00:40:51
Speaker
That's not gonna help you avoid injury and you know, this is certain days. Yeah, we all have them when we wake up and think I'm absolutely out. I'm empty here today. You know, what am I gonna be able to do this? There's certain shoes that you just put them on. They're just firm. They don't feel exciting. They don't feel sort of like they give you the impetus to get out there.
00:41:13
Speaker
And I do strongly believe those newer films are helping people to remain injury free and they're helping the recovery even as well. So that people are improving. You know, the training is really important. It's that the race bits, almost the fun bit, isn't it? You get to go and show what you've done. It's like the show and tell, isn't it? Right. This is what I've done. Here we go. This is what it's going to be. But if you're confident in that shoe and you know in yourself that you're
00:41:41
Speaker
at tip-top condition and you're ready, well, that's given you a really good basis. It's given you a head start, isn't it, almost? It's probably a bad phrase to use, really, with these super shoes. It's given you a head start. It sounds bad, doesn't it? You're right, Tom. Certain things work for people, don't they? It's like a certain musician and a guitar just put those two people together and that produces beautiful sounds. It's the same as using any tool.
00:42:09
Speaker
If you get the wrong screwdriver, you can't do up the bolts, can you? So it's the same thing. Certain tools just work for people. And when you get one that works for you, you just want to use it over and over. Exactly. Yeah. And that's why people say, you know, what's the best complaint ratio? Well, there isn't our best one.
00:42:26
Speaker
Because, you know, people go, you see it on the videos, we've just built the Vaporfly 3. Some people are commenting going, didn't like it, didn't enjoy it, prefer the Vaporfly 2, got faster time with Vaporfly 2. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it works. As time goes on, I do think that that shoe people will harness what it's got. I think it is a good shoe.
00:42:44
Speaker
don't get me wrong, I think initially I wasn't totally blown away but I think that's a little bit with all the experiences of other things I've tried and then also getting to that point where Nike aren't quite as ahead of everybody, everyone's caught up a little bit now I think. Well they do have this, this seems to happen with Nike is always in a tricky position where if you look at some of the brands like Xokini, normally when they're at each new shoe it's a
00:43:14
Speaker
a new shoe essentially like most of the time they look at the elite that's not that's a completely new design completely new way to run so it's not really comparable and people try it and they go oh i like it i don't like it if you if you like you're in a really difficult position and they can't really change a lot they can only tweak things
00:43:31
Speaker
I suppose that's where the tempo comes in because that's one of the few occasions where they've tried something completely new and they haven't done it again. So, yeah, I think it's tricky when we're like here and twice, the Vayfly 3 is a good example where some people, because it's slightly different, people are a little bit not sure about it, happened with the Vayfly, the AlphaFly 2.
00:43:52
Speaker
And that's still going through this sort of phase of people aren't really sure about it, but it'll probably take a while for, as you say, people to find out what, why you'd buy it as opposed to the previous version. Yeah. It's sometimes people, you know, they want the same thing and they want it over and over again. A lot of the sneak heads, you know, when they release a retro of like an Air Jordan, they want it to be exactly the way it was.
00:44:15
Speaker
But yeah, with race shoes, I think it's always this thing of, is it going to be that little bit better? You know, are we going to get a little bit more performance out of it? And sometimes they make changes and they don't quite do it for the masses, but it might work, you know, brilliantly for Kip Trego. I mean, hey, look at some of the times he's got, you know, he's performed some of the most incredible times ever. He's not a bad runner. He's not a bad runner. He's done a few good runs. Oh, he's not bad, is he? He's certainly right up there. Yeah.
00:44:51
Speaker
All right, well, I've got a question here for you and a nice simple one. Well, hopefully simple if you can answer it. I'm gonna give you three running shoe brands. All I want you to tell me with each one is the best thing about each one. So first one, Nike. I'm gonna say Air.
00:45:11
Speaker
Because some of the best Nike shoes that I've used are a combination between some sort of cushion and air. And that is still really great as a technology. It's resilient. It just keeps on giving the same sort of level of return as it had before.
00:45:28
Speaker
Where's phones you know over time what you only can leave them in your conservatory and they can it can destroy him but air just seems to keep on going so that's the thing that's been there since the tailwind you know in the late 70s and it's still there now in like nike's you know flagship alpha fly shoot so yeah yeah i think i think i go yeah good answer i would have thought you were going to say that but yeah
00:45:53
Speaker
Nice. All right, then, uh, Sockany. Oh, I always think of Sockany as the people's plated shoe. And I remember when the speed came out and there was this massive hype about the speed. It was like, I finally got it on foot. And it was like, wow, man, this is like absolutely amazing. Like this shoe is incredible. It's light that I can use it every day. It's not so rigid that it's kind of, you know, I'm having to run at race paces all the time in it. It's brilliant.
00:46:22
Speaker
And yes, that's sort of less rigid, more usable basis. So I'd say, yeah, it's got to be Saucony speed. They should reissue the first one. Just take it back to the first one, they'll sell bucket loads of them. Saucony if you're listening, do it. I guarantee it, you'll sell loads of those.
00:46:41
Speaker
Alright, that's one. Puma. I'd suggest it's a brand learning by their mistakes. That's a, that's a good thing to do, isn't it? So they're looking at things that how they can improve and each iteration, I think probably agree with me as well for their shoes so far, it's just getting better. They're all slowly moving up. And that doesn't always happen. Sometimes we get like a
00:47:03
Speaker
a shoe that's absolutely great and make some changes to it. And it just takes it two, three steps backwards. You know, why did you do that? You know, the song was a good song. Don't change the verses and the chorus, you know, and turn it into something else. People like it. So I think people are learning by that. And they're also learned by other people's mistakes as well. So some of the other brands have made some some real stinkers. There's a few I can think of right now.
00:47:30
Speaker
that I've barely put like 10, 15 miles into and I just thought I don't want to wear these shoes anymore. I have no impetus to continue with this one.
00:47:41
Speaker
And there haven't been any of those. They're just constantly moving forward and doing something new, which is fun as well. When it comes to a shoe, I mean, you've got you've got some laces and upper, you've got a bit of packing foam and a bit of rubber and some glue. So when someone's doing something a little bit different, it's like it's exciting, you know, putting new things on and trying something different. And yeah, it's not always going to stick, but
00:48:08
Speaker
That's what I think. Pumes in a good position at the moment because it is a shoe, it doesn't really have a lot of legacy shoes that have like people buy every time. And what they're really doing is that it's given them a bit of space to go, right, we can just be inventive. Some of it's not going to work. Some of it might stick, but we can do that. And that's the opposite of Nike, isn't it? Nike can't do that because if a Nike releases three new shoes and none of them are like the Vogue Fly, they outfly the Invincible.
00:48:34
Speaker
suddenly, everyone's gonna be like, Nike's awful, because they've still got these leading shoes. So yeah, I think it's a really... And the Saucony had it to an extent last year, they really revamped a lot, tried a lot of new stuff out, which was exciting. Nike couldn't do the same thing with the Pro 3, the Endorphin Pro 3 that Saucony did, because they basically said, we're just gonna redesign it, we're gonna make it completely different. And everyone went, yeah, it's better.
00:48:58
Speaker
because nobody really loved the Pro 2, did they? So it was an easy move to make. Whereas Puma haven't really, up until now, I think that's probably going to get harder for them now because there are shoes like the DV8 and Elite Nitro 2 where people are really liking that shoe and they're probably going to stick with it.
00:49:14
Speaker
And then it'll be harder to develop again because you've started to build that audience. But yeah, definitely. Puma's in a very good position. It's exciting. It's exciting when you see brands and are going to be in this position as well, where, you know, you can be innovative without risk, really. Yeah. And because they're coming from a new place, you know, they don't have all the legacy there. They can afford to do something a little bit different. Plus on seem to have really struck a chord with
00:49:44
Speaker
just the everyday people out there. I see people wearing on shoes everywhere. They're just everywhere right now. So yeah, they're doing something right. All right, so big question for you. What do you think is gonna be the next big technical revelation in running shoes over the next few years?
00:50:02
Speaker
You've had carbon plates, you've had, you know, modern paper phones, what's coming up, anything.
Innovations in Upper Materials
00:50:09
Speaker
It can be ridiculous as hell. I'd suggest it's probably down to how can we improve the durability and the strength of the upper materials. So where we've seen the Prime X strung, I did see a leaked image the other day of a Takumi Sen.
00:50:26
Speaker
with the strung upper on it. I mean, just take my money. Just right now, just take my money. I'll buy one right now because I love that upper material. It's really, really great from all sorts of perspectives. It cleans well. So if you get it absolutely coated in mud, it looks good. You can clean it off quickly. It doesn't change over time. So sometimes you'll know this. You'll put a shoe on within two or three miles. You've got to stop and you've got to relace it because the uppers get started to give.
00:50:56
Speaker
and it's just not fitting anymore. So I don't get that with this strong upper, it just keeps really consistent over time. And it's reasonably like water resistant as well. So I think that that is gonna be the big thing that people are looking into. I can see Sauconier starting to try different things. I noticed there's a different upper on one of the versions of the Pro 3. They've just thrown that on there, just totally out of the blue.
00:51:23
Speaker
And I think they did the same on the Speed 3 as well, so they're clearly testing some stuff out.
00:51:28
Speaker
And they formed for doing that as well last year with the Endorphin Pro Plus, was it? They did that other version of the Pro. It was sort of like a middle ground between the two and the three. So yeah, I think upper material is going to be the thing where people are experimenting a little bit more. It'd be interesting to see what on do, because I know they've stuck with their very minimalist sort of style. But the only way they're going to get the shoes any lighter is by starting to reduce those materials there.
00:51:56
Speaker
I think we've got super light phones now and we've got about the right amount of rubber sort of depth so I think that the upper materials will be the thing that people really try to change and be innovative with.
00:52:14
Speaker
All right. So final question for you. Actually, no, I've got one more question before we do the final question. And each one of these podcasts, I am going to bring in one question from the audience because it might be more interesting than the ones I've thought of. But this one is, and I mentioned him when I met you in Boston, my friend Ollie, who's your biggest fan. So his question, which he bangs on about all the time, cause he's obsessed with the prime strong X is, is, is there ever too much stack height now?
00:52:40
Speaker
when i first got the primax i managed to get it on a really weird discount i think someone had sent it back to a shop and then they you know stuck it back up on a you know on a discount and i grabbed it and at the time i couldn't run because i'd
00:52:57
Speaker
broken my shoulder but fractured it in two places after a dogly tripped me up. That's another story anyway. But that shoe gave me back the ability to be able to run because it was so cushioned that the impact of me coming down on my right foot, it just cushioned it enough that I could get out and do something.
00:53:19
Speaker
And that shoe connected in my mind of, wow, this is giving me back what I couldn't do. I shouldn't have really. I was three weeks in and I was told to rest and not really doing an awful lot. But when you're a runner, that doesn't really go in, does it? No. That doesn't go in at all.
00:53:37
Speaker
You're like, I'll be all right. You know, I've only got, you know, one leg or something I can just carry. I'll be fine. I'll just do an easy run, you know. But that gave me back that ability. So I could say it's a ridiculous amount of cushion. I think it's about 54 millimeters in my size, which is it's nuts, isn't it? It's like a glam rock shoe. It's amazing. You know, that shoe is great. It's so fun. I remember talking with Sam from Road Trail Run. He said, you know, what shoe if you can have one shoe, what would you have?
00:54:07
Speaker
And he said yeah it made me smile it made me remember what sort of running is all about at the end of the day i'm enjoying myself i'm out there getting some exercise and i'm getting some fresh air and that that's kind of what that she does but.
00:54:22
Speaker
In a race, would I want to wear that shoe? I don't think I could, because no race is going to be reasonably straight and not have any corners or turns in it. It gets to a point where you're like, if I go at my half marathon or 10k pace around that corner and the Primax strung,
00:54:40
Speaker
am i gonna make it around the corner and yeah that's where it's a balance isn't it it's always careful balance between the stack height and what you're gonna get from it just now you mentioned about is there enough cushion in this sheet for that for that race you're not sure you're gonna find out but
00:54:58
Speaker
Is it there? You know, is it going to be right for me? Is that going to work? And we all in the back of our mind know what we kind of want and what we need. And sometimes it's fun to test that theory and actually see if that comes out as we actually perceive it to be. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. But that's what makes it exciting and fun to try it. But yeah, I think at the moment, until we can stabilize things a bit more, yeah, that's probably a bit much for a race for
00:55:27
Speaker
a lot of people. Now, six foot three, do you want an extra 54 millimetres of stack underneath? No, because I can't even get through the beams, you know, in my house with that on. I have to bend down. I take it. I take it any day. All right. In 10 years time, how high do you think stack's going to get? What's going to be the highest stack shoe over the next 10 years? Oh, goodness me. I think if we look at basketball shoes,
00:55:56
Speaker
Now they're not getting any higher. In fact, people are going for more conservative stack on those. And that was all about having stack high in air units and this, that, and the other. They've realized actually it gets to a point where there's just no stability. There's no sort of lateral stability there at all. Now as runners, we just want to run in straight line effectively and have the most minimal turns. And going up and down hills in certain shoes isn't fun in any way.
00:56:23
Speaker
going down hills in the Prime X Strung. It's an experience. You almost feel like you're just braking. You're trying to brake all the time because you're just flying forwards and you've got no control. Yet you do the same thing in perhaps like the Adios Pro 3 and it feels fine. It feels good, in fact. Going up hills in that tree feels fantastic.
00:56:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's how far we go. I don't think it will go much further. I think it will start to go down to specific materials. They'll try to get the right foam formulas correct to get the maximum performance. I think it's that balance, again, between the three main bits, really. Well, if one comes out 100 millimeters, I'm taking it for weddings and stuff. For weddings.
00:57:09
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All right, last question then. Now this question, it sounds like it may be specifically designed for you, but this is actually for everyone. Cause what I'm going to do is create a playlist of all of the friends of the run testers top picks. So you've got three, three song choices to listen to. You got to listen to all that's all you get for a marathon. You've got to listen to all three of them on repeat for the whole marathon. What are you going for? I think the marathon is quite an emotional event.
00:57:35
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because you go through all sorts of feelings you want to get started and once you go and everyone's like yeah tune you on and everything's feeling good and then you get into a rhythm and then it starts feeling tough and then you've got to find something from somewhere else so you're gonna kind of need three songs to kind of adjust the energy levels i suppose so at the start you want something to keep you reasonably
00:57:57
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relaxed and kind of calm. So I go for a long track because that means you obviously don't have to listen to it quite as many times. So Marky Moon by the band Television, New York band, really awesome guitar playing kind of the two guitars that intertwine with each other. I think the strokes were quite influenced by television in terms of the way the guitars work. That's a great track and there's loads of sort of different parts to it as well. So you got a good 10 minutes, 46 seconds.
00:58:27
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It's a good jukebox track actually, Tom. If you ever go in the jukebox, you want to hog it for a while, put Marky Moon on by television, and you've got it for 10 minutes. After talking with Ned Brotman in Boston, it just makes me realize how many runners love ACDC. I'd have to have some ACDC on there. Down payment blues, that's my favorite one. We've all been in that situation where
00:58:52
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you know, you're looking at your pay packet and going, oh, well, I'll never get to see that because it's all going out on this and it's going out on that and something else and it's gone. And yeah, everyone's had the down payment blues from one time to another. So I've stick that one on there. And of course, I really love my dance music. So I need a bit of a break from the guitars. So I'll probably go everybody in the place by the prodigy. But it's got to be the fairground remix, which is the one everybody actually remembers rather than the single version for some reason.
00:59:22
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Is that your finisher? That's what you could cross in the finish line with? Well, I kind of depend. You'd have to sort of adjust your pace, wouldn't you? So you get there if they're playing on a loop over and over. You've got to time it well, yeah. You've really got to get your pace in right. But yeah, make sure you've got the right version. So a nice slower track there from television and a couple of more up for it sorts of numbers. I think that will probably just about do it. Yeah, about 20 minutes. There you go. So you don't have to endure
00:59:47
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few iterations of it. For me, that's the full park run done. That's my park run playlist for Saturday sorted. Park run playlist, jobs are good. And if I get a PB, I'll let you know. There you go. It could be. It's the PB maker. It could be.
01:00:02
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Well, thanks for joining us. Thank you. It's been a real pleasure chatting to you again, Tom. I know we had a great time over in Boston, meeting up with you there. It was fantastic. I really enjoyed myself there, and I think everyone had a good time there. But it was great to meet you then, and it's been great chatting with you again. We should have recorded more stuff there, because I think we spoke about running machines for about 12 hours, so it could have been another 10 episodes. There's some gold there, I reckon.
01:00:29
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'd have to heavily edited it because we were drinking quite a bit over there. But yeah, thanks for coming on. And if listeners want to find you, I imagine they already know how to find you anyway. If they're searching for running your reviews, you're definitely going to come up. But I'll add the links to your YouTube channel. You don't really use Instagram, do you, that much?
01:00:50
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I go on there from time to time. There's just a lot of people on Instagram that are taking pictures of their legs and things. That's a bit odd. I tend to avoid that sort of thing. I just keep it with the shoes, Tom. I keep it with the shoes. Always stick with the shoes. I'll put the links in the caption and hopefully we'll catch up again soon.
01:01:12
Speaker
Fantastic. Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot for listening. We hope you enjoyed that. And don't forget that we've got loads of new videos up on the channel to watch and we'll have a new podcast coming out in the next few weeks. Catch you later. This episode of the podcast was presented by Tom Wheatley. His guest was Ed Budd. The music is by fear of tigers.