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SPECIAL EPISODE! Winter Outlook 2024/2025 with The WeatherPros!
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For this special episode, The guys welcome back the always entertaining Rob and Nick from The WeatherPros to give us their outlook and predictions for what we can expect this winter. They will also take us through some new winter weather tech that is going to become part of the future of weather predicting. The guys always have lots of laughs with Rob and Nick, and this one will be no different!
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Introduction and Winter Outlook
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And here we go. Snow jobs nation. We are off and running, bringing you another product profile special as always. I'm Steve. You know, who's with me.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Had to do a dramatic pause there to intro the Mr. Jeremy Lindstrom, the legend.
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RICK JAMES
Oh boy.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
What's up, Jay.
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RICK JAMES
Hey, doing pretty good. How about you?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Good brother, I'm good. You excited for this one? This one's going to be a lot of fun.
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RICK JAMES
Always excited to talk to the weather guys.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
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RICK JAMES
Ah, my favorite boys are going to have fun.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. but That's it.
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RICK JAMES
We're going to lock us in for our season and start sending invoices.
Winter Wildcards and Humor
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. Take it to the bank.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Alright guys, so as Jeremy just let out of the bag today, we got a really good one. Alright, we're going to give you guys all a heads up on what's potentially coming at you for the winter. We have our favorite two weather guys. They're also our favorite sparring partners. Alright, the weather pros are here. Rob Garino and Nick Samaris are here with us today. Rob and Nick.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
They're always good enough to come on and give us, they're going to give us a winter weather outlook for each region. They're going to talk about some wild cards that are possible for for guys out there. And they also wanted to talk about some other potentially important, you know, weather topics that's going to benefit us as snow guys to hear about.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
um Me personally, I'm kind of shocked to hear that there's potential for wild cards this winter, Jeremy. um'm I'm shocked.
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RICK JAMES
Wow, i I don't, yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
like wow but knocked me over with a feather.
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RICK JAMES
and Wild card. It could hit you, it could hit you.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
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RICK JAMES
We don't really know.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's what I said. Is that just setting the table to hear the weather guys in February say, whoa, we never saw that coming?
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RICK JAMES
Oh.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Start inventing new weather teams.
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RICK JAMES
The gloves are off. Wherever you started, the gloves are off. I love it. Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
No, we're just messing around guys. Listen though, in all seriousness, Rob and Nick are awesome at what they do. And they're also great at taking the jokes and crap, you know, we as snow guys throw at them for fun.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. So it's awesome that we can have them come on with us, talk weather, sling shit back and forth at each other. And they have just as much fun as we do with it. And that's what it's all about, guys. So let's just do this. Welcome back to the Snow Jobs.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Rob and Nick, boys, how are we?
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Rob
Woo-hoo!
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Nick Psomaras
What is going on gentlemen?
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Rob
All right, we're doing good.
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RICK JAMES
whoa
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Rob
Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
Whoa.
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Nick Psomaras
Let's go baby.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
on What are you doing?
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Nick Psomaras
Long awaited episode.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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Nick Psomaras
We're good, we're good.
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Rob
Well, you know, my cherries kind of popped after last year's, so we were kind of...
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The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
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Nick Psomaras
I know.
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RICK JAMES
and you know mean You don't even have your camera on, Rob.
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Nick Psomaras
but
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Rob
oh say my hair My hair's curlers.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
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RICK JAMES
You can at least put a picture of your Emmy up there for us.
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Nick Psomaras
and
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The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
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Rob
I still got my hair in my curlers. I can't do it now.
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Nick Psomaras
Oh man.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah He's going out after this.
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RICK JAMES
It's going out.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He's going out.
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Rob
that's ever going the yeah parliament
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The SnowJobs Podcast
It's 70s disco night tonight.
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Rob
and
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
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Rob
the By the way, the wild card the the wildcard this winter is Mike Tyson.
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Nick Psomaras
Oh, you know it, you know it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
and
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Rob
No, I'm just kidding.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Mike Tyson.
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Nick Psomaras
Oh God.
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RICK JAMES
Oh, that was terrible.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, God. Don't even get us started about that.
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Rob
After that mess, that was awful.
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RICK JAMES
and How would you like to pay ticket money to go watch that?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That was bad.
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Rob
Stayed up on midnight.
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RICK JAMES
That would have been sucked.
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Rob
Oh my gosh.
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Nick Psomaras
and They robbed people all fricking night and he thought Tyson got 20 million and Jake Paul got 40 million. So they did, they did pretty well.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Morty. Yep.
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Rob
Yeah.
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Nick Psomaras
They did pretty well for that night.
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Rob
Yeah, and Netflix.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
you Now you know why Netflix gave it to you for free.
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Rob
Right, yeah, because you because you had to keep hitting refresh, that's why.
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Nick Psomaras
Oh, I know.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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Nick Psomaras
Oh, the buffering was ridiculous. Terrible.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
and Overload. Overloaded.
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Rob
blow
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Nick Psomaras
Yup.
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Rob
yeah
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. So guys, start us off.
La Niña vs. El Niño Impact
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The SnowJobs Podcast
What do you want to do? You want to do the winner outlook for each each of the regions? Talk about what's coming.
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Rob
Yeah, I think we'll go into that. Obviously, this year, we're going to be into a La Nina and for guys that kind of hear this lingo and you know, I got a lot of guys listening know the weather lingo pretty much you have to if you're in the industry, as you guys know, you got to kind of know some weather or a good amount of how things work.
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Rob
We can do a lot of work for you, but obviously, we are we're happy that we want to applaud guys that we have as customers and potential customers, no kind of the models and the things. you know Nick and I talked about this, and and La Niños tend to be a softer type of winter versus the brother of it, which is El Niño.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm hmm.
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Rob
All of this is just water sloshing back and forth across the Pacific. uh last year we had water colder uh on the east or sorry west coast of south american west coast of the u.s san francisco seattle so you had much more of a volatile pattern but you also had a warmer wetter pattern and the northeast knows what i'm talking about you know we had good storms last year and last year but there were a lot of more rain so as you know velary would say yeah those are perfect storms when it rains
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, perfect storms.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
No, no, we actually, for my area, we were perfect.
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RICK JAMES
yeah
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The SnowJobs Podcast
We were all snow, all the time, zero mixing. It came down two, three inches an hour and was out of there in five to six hours. Every one of them.
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Nick Psomaras
Jeremy's shaking his head.
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Rob
Yeah.
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Nick Psomaras
Jeremy's shaking his head. He's like, what winter? What are you guys talking about?
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Rob
Yeah. Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, what are you talking about?
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Rob
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
It was terrible.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
North Dakota had no winner.
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RICK JAMES
It was garbage.
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Rob
Right. And guys listening, obviously Jeremy's up in North Dakota and Fargo and and Steve's over in mid Hudson Valley with about an hour north of New York city, about an hour. or So I'm going to have.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Hour and a half. Yep.
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Rob
And this year, it's kind of a start of La Nina, where we are now. We're officially here ah during this podcast in La Nina, officially. It is very weak. And this is when we said earlier, you guys were joking about the wildcards this winter. to And that is probably the biggest wildcard this winter is once we get to mid to late January, early Feb,
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Rob
What makes you see it go neutral and for guys listening neutral just simply means there's no global influence influence so you tend to go to climatology and that means. If you tend to get snow in February you probably will if this goes to neutral and it's harder to predict long range as far as lining short range you know that's what we do that's our specialty here at the weather pros and just like a lot of the weather companies is more of a short range weather will give you that outlook.
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Rob
And you know since we're talking about it, there were 12 of these guys, 12 winters since 1950. So they started in 1950, the meteorologists, the weather bureau used to be called back then. Now the National Weather Service started tracking these phenomena. They they really still don't know why this does this El Nino, La Nina neutral, this global thing.
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Rob
I think it's just a teetering of how Mother Nature goes back and forth every couple of years.
Regional Snowfall Predictions
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Rob
That sloshing of the water where it's warm one year, like I said, closer to the US and then it's cold the next. This year it will be warmer actually and what we'll see is um pretty much the the the weather pattern continuing to start off a little cold. It is, if you notice, we're going to get some cold weather here the next two weeks here in November.
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Rob
um and There'll be some snow. I mean, there's going to be a little bit of snow, whether it's you know a whole lot of just stick into the grass and some spots through the Ohio Valley and up through the Northeast.
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Rob
And maybe it's just a little teaser to let us know, hey, winter is not that far away. And we actually may get some snow this year. um That's what we're seeing in November right now. And a lot of the lot of the country actually is in a drought.
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Rob
So a little bit of rain anywhere can help.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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Rob
um early on looking at some of the things we're looking at uh overall it's a drier than normal winter and it tends to be a milder winter down south as in warmer than normal uh you'd kind of draw that virginia carolina line through st louis south of that which is a little typically a little bit warmer. The mid-Atlantic back to the Ohio Valley is about average as far as temperatures and your colder than average winter would be up in Jeremy's world, the upper Midwest, Northern Plains, through Montana, go out to the west there, Northwest and into New England even. We do see some pluses and some minuses, you know, on our website, theweatherpost.com. If you went there, you can kind of see what we're looking at as far as um those snow totals and where we think it's going to be the most
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Rob
in there, I'm just kind of actually looking at some of the numbers I want to show you. And and one of the things.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So Jeremy's not going to get shut out this year. That's what you're saying.
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Rob
Now, well, now he's not going to get shut out.
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Nick Psomaras
Well, it can't be worse than last year. Can't be worse than last year.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's true.
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Rob
Yeah.
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Nick Psomaras
That's all we have to say right now.
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Rob
Jeremy, would you, Jeremy, would you line with last year? Would you want to bend? Do you, do you have that number off hand? I don't know if I have it.
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Nick Psomaras
You're in the thirties, right?
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RICK JAMES
It was like, no, we got like, yeah, we got like 16.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
and No, 10.
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Nick Psomaras
Or thirties?
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Rob
No, I don't think he got more than 12.
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Nick Psomaras
No.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
I don't even know where they got that. It was like probably really like 12, but yeah, it was like 16 was the total.
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Nick Psomaras
Oh, geez. Right.
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Rob
Yeah.
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Rob
I don't have your average in front of us for that particular city.
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RICK JAMES
It's ridiculous. The average is 53, 51, 53.
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Rob
Yeah, so we're going minus five off that.
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RICK JAMES
Oh yeah.
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Rob
So 47 is not bad if you looked at the stats.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Nope.
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RICK JAMES
No, I'd be good.
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Rob
Now, now when i when I say that, guys, what I mean is when we went back to those 12 winters um and the one that was most recent was two winters ago, 22, 23, not last
Forecasting Challenges
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Rob
winter, the one before that, ah that was the most recent week La Nina.
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RICK JAMES
I was a good winner.
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Rob
That was a week La Nina for everybody. and And if you go back and see what you got, not every winter is the same, but is it somebody drinking tea? Is that tea, Jeremy?
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RICK JAMES
Uh-uh, that's a Nick next
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Nick Psomaras
That's me.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
No, that's Nick.
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Nick Psomaras
drink Drinking a nice Diet Coke there, Rob.
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Rob
Oh, all right. There you go.
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Nick Psomaras
Yeah, that's fine.
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Rob
and So it sounded like ah now on he's on the clock, and he tends to drink vodka out of coffee cups.
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RICK JAMES
I got to...
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Nick Psomaras
This guy's worried about what I'm drinking over here.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Holy sidetrack!
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RICK JAMES
I think it's an old-fashioned.
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Nick Psomaras
but
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RICK JAMES
I think it's an old-fashioned.
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Nick Psomaras
No, no, the Manhattan.
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RICK JAMES
Oh, the Manhattan.
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Rob
That's all I'm going to say.
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RICK JAMES
Well, it's not on your breath.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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Nick Psomaras
The best employee, the best employees drink, you know.
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Rob
He's drunk at the time.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, it's not on your breath, so yeah.
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Rob
We don't know what's going on.
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Nick Psomaras
but can't Can't smell it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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Nick Psomaras
Can't smell it.
00:10:13
Rob
That's why he asked me exclusively, he had to work remotely from New Jersey.
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Nick Psomaras
Right. Can't be, can't be commuting at 3 AM, m you know, can't be doing that.
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Rob
I want to be in the office.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah hu That's great.
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Rob
That's right. So, you know, we're doing minus five up there. i The ones that have gotten the most above average and will rattle off some towns, because we know you guys kept quite a listenership. And by the way, congrats guys, you're killing it. I mean, we looked at some of your stats and What a difference even a year from last year kicking it off.
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Rob
So congrats to you guys. A lot of guys talk about it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Thank you.
00:10:43
Rob
I even had one guy, believe it or not guys, you know, I had the sticker, you know, you guys gave it to me at that show in Scranton, the Snow Job sticker.
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RICK JAMES
Thank you.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
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Rob
I had a guy come up to me in the airport. He said, oh yeah, I listened to that. It was my buddy Plow. What does he actually plow though?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Dude, I'm telling you, it's it's been so it's been freaking crazy.
00:11:00
Rob
No, I'm just kidding.
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RICK JAMES
that
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm telling you autographs.
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Rob
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
It's been nuts. it's it It makes no sense.
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Rob
You know, yeah, but you know, with social media, you get going and and you have a quality product, which you guys do. And I liked that you went to the shows the last year, suited to some of the regional trade shows, you know, and broadcasted there.
00:11:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
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RICK JAMES
Yep.
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Rob
I thought that was really cool to have kind of an audience. And I think we were at one in the spring in Pennsylvania up there.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Hey, you guys were at storks.
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Rob
Right.
00:11:25
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:11:26
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, it was fun.
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Rob
Storks.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That was fun.
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Nick Psomaras
It was a good time.
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Rob
Yeah. know So yeah, I just wanted to throw that out there. Congrats to you guys.
00:11:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Appreciate it.
00:11:30
Rob
You're really doing a great job. And I know you work hard putting these things together. um Going back to the winter stuff so if you were to look at the the cities that I feel, and this is based off those 12 winters so it's, it's sort of a statistical outlook we like saying that versus.
00:11:44
Rob
Yes, we do put our spin on it, but if we look at the statistics of the 12 winters since 1950.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:11:50
Rob
So they go back about, what, 70, 74 years. ah Minneapolis did very well in these type of winters. ah Wyoming, Idaho, geyser, and Boise up through Idaho Falls, Twin Falls in those areas, Coeur d'Alene, through most of all of Wyoming, and you got guys there, and then parts of Nebraska did well, Utah, ah Northern Minnesota, and actually even Wisconsin and Northern Illinois, which is a big I'm sure listeners should be you guys with Chicago and Milwaukee, everybody there did about three, four inches above average in most of these winters.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
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Rob
Detroit, Grand Rapids, which is a big market for us, same with Detroit.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
00:12:29
RICK JAMES
Thank you.
00:12:29
Rob
we and And they did plus five, six, seven inches above average. So up through that area, and then you go into Buffalo plus 10. And if you remember, guys, two years ago, it was around this time that hammered this wall
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The SnowJobs Podcast
They got hammered. Yeah, I think it was a Christmas storm.
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Nick Psomaras
I was that deadly, uh, the deadly Christmas blizzard.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I think it was the gri yeah.
00:12:49
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
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Rob
yeah it was it I was just looking it up on Wikipedia, some of the stuff. It was actually late November. It was in November, that blizzard um years ago.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, it was it was early. Yeah, it was early wasn't that one like Wasn't like 60 wasn't it like 60 inches ago
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Nick Psomaras
And then there was another one though.
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Rob
And they did.
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Nick Psomaras
There was another one though, closer to Christmas though.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I, yeah, I thought they had Christmas day. I thought they had a massive killer one.
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Rob
They did. Yeah, there was another one.
00:13:02
Nick Psomaras
Yeah. Yeah. Right.
00:13:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. They also have, you're right though. They also had one in November. They got back to backs cause they had a hundred inches by December 31st.
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Rob
yeah and they're
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Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So it was crazy.
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Nick Psomaras
it was ah unbebelable It was unbelievable.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah Yeah.
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Nick Psomaras
It was unbelievable.
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Rob
shut off, and it just completely shut off. They didn't get much after that.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Which I'm sure they were okay with after those two bangers.
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Rob
um yeah
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Nick Psomaras
They were recovering. Yeah, they were just recovering from it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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Rob
Yeah, Orchard Park, which is where the Bill Stadium is, the current one, had 80 inches of snow at that event, and that was November 16th to 20th, right around this time, ah two years ago.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Crazy. And they're getting another one, right, Rob? They got another one coming in the next couple of days?
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Rob
Yeah, we'll watch to see because the storm is spinning so much around the Ohio Valley and into Michigan. It could be several events of lake effect for three or four days, stops, goes, stops, goes.
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Rob
And that has been very tricky.
00:13:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:13:52
Rob
Early season snow is hard because you're dealing with the factors we have to really look at. Time of year, time of day it snows. You guys know this. And then you've got ah um also the factor of will it stick to the paved surfaces?
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Rob
Because there's still reasonably warm warm the ground here in November.
00:14:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
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Rob
And I, Nick and I were talking the other day in the car, we had to go to ah an event. we We also teach school, whether in schools to elementary students, we get grants, we sort of teach them the basics of whether kids are very, very inquisitive right now about whether because it's been so out in the mainstream lately.
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Rob
But you go back to this time of year and you look at the snow and it's really that stick factor sticking to the paved surfaces Really in November, so we call November now now that this pattern overall and we'll talk about this later that the winters are starting later There's a trend a little bit.
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Rob
We call it double bonus snow in November. Remember that anything is No And
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The SnowJobs Podcast
New term, new term.
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RICK JAMES
double bonu now
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Rob
then
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Nick Psomaras
There we go. right Write it down, boys.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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RICK JAMES
Oh, it's in here.
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Rob
so
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RICK JAMES
We don't have to double bonus.
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Rob
And then it's in there.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
um
00:14:54
Rob
And then December is just bonus snow, because it doesn't seem to snow in December that much either anymore.
00:14:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go. It doesn't, it doesn't.
00:14:59
Nick Psomaras
i doesn't
00:15:00
Rob
Then January, February, just regular winter, and then March is the late bloomer. We've had some late marches late of the last few years. We had March have some snow later in the season for a lot of areas. So we're seeing this.
00:15:12
Rob
And we'll get into this more later about this, guys, about the seasonal change. We'll go back to La Nina.
00:15:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:15:17
Rob
um Going back to some of this snow, as we mentioned, the big winters that we would see statistically, and I want everybody listening to remember that these are the statistics of these 12 winters. Mid-Atlantic, not too good, minus four New York City, that means four inches below average. Philadelphia, minus seven below average. And these areas, if you're not familiar and you're from the Midwest or West, they don't get a lot of snow. Philly's like 22.
00:15:40
Rob
New York's 27 inches so you know uh five six inches is almost like 25 percent less 20 25 less uh Cleveland minus six but you know they get 60 70 inches off the lake so that's not as same as New York you know guys there and we have a huge amount of guys hundreds of flower companies that use this in that metro area
00:15:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:16:01
Rob
Uh, you know every inch is much more important, especially when you're you know You basically charge them by the inch by the push and I hear this guys Have you heard this now this new thing by the storm?
00:16:12
Rob
Pricing have you heard about this?
00:16:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yeah. Where they're doing increments, basically one to three is this price.
00:16:14
RICK JAMES
up
00:16:18
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah, I've heard that.
00:16:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Three to six is that price.
00:16:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:16:19
Rob
Yeah Is that the big box guys or are they mostly still seasonal, you know from what you've seen Right
00:16:21
RICK JAMES
Yeah, I've heard that.
00:16:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's depends who holds it.
00:16:27
RICK JAMES
Like around here do that.
00:16:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
The nationals hold it.
00:16:30
Rob
yeah
00:16:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's very, very low seasonals, or they're trying to get you to do it for $75 a push.
00:16:34
Rob
I heard. Yeah. And this year too, I heard a lot of a lot of the contracts.
00:16:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, do they Jeremy?
00:16:42
Rob
Oh, go ahead, Jeremy. They do what? Over there?
00:16:43
RICK JAMES
No, I was just saying the schools around here here do that. But yeah, that's what that's about the only people I know.
00:16:48
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:16:48
Rob
Yeah.
00:16:48
Rob
and And I also heard.
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00:16:50
Rob
A lot of contracts were signed late this year. the the season A lot of guys, you know, would sell us, you know, and they usually pay us anywhere between the fall and early winter for our product.
00:16:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:17:00
Rob
And, you know, we have, like I said, over 700 now and they'll tell you, you know, this year. uh we're waiting on xyz contract and they said a lot of these but are later than they've ever seen them and i said what do you think it is he goes well some of it has to do with the economy some of it has to do with maybe some of these places now and i love you guys chime in on this because we hear uh our second guessing these seasonal accounts because it hasn't snowed in a lot of places the last couple of years on average um is that kind of what you hear possible
00:17:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's possible. Um, I can just speak for myself this year.
00:17:32
RICK JAMES
And.
00:17:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
This is the first normally we have contracts. Most of our contracts are signed by September 1st. They're done. We have had contracts that we've had for eight, nine years now that are always done by September 1st that didn't sign until November 1st this year.
00:17:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
And I believe a lot of it has to do with they're the economy and they they know they have to make that first payment upon signing and they're trying to delay that as long as possible because they just don't have as much money hopefully that'll turn around in the next couple years now but uh you know i think where they where they were now in september i i think that was all it was was they were still like they always said you know we're not going anywhere when we're sticking with you but it was just like all right can we sign this contract let's go
00:18:01
Rob
Right.
00:18:03
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah.
00:18:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Um, but they just weren't ready to sign because I think that was the reason is they knew they had the payment coming as soon as they signed and they did. They wanted to delay that as long as possible.
00:18:26
Rob
yeah interesting and i thought maybe maybe i mean this i don't know if it ties in was the election this year you know the you know everybody's got sort of their take on it and you know people were thinking if you're a business guy i mean you know i don't want to get political but if you're a business guy you know where you were thinking and leaning because the person that was elected trump obviously is a businessman so us all listening most of us are all businessmen maybe that was some of it i don't know i mean i don't get into the spin of that but
00:18:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's possible. It's very possible.
00:18:37
RICK JAMES
Mmhmm.
00:18:52
Rob
uh guys are coming around and i think i think this this sort of wave of cold weather coming in here uh really up through thanksgiving even there's been some uh rumblings of course on social media that the northeast is going to get a potential storm yeah you said that to us and i said steve i we
00:19:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh Jesus. Yeah. I did. I did. Cause that made me mad cause it's like, where are you predicting this? Where, who's even doing this 480 hours out?
00:19:16
Nick Psomaras
Well, the thing is, I mean, the the thing is, these models, they they come out four times a day.
00:19:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
like
00:19:21
Nick Psomaras
So, you know, the the the probability of one of them showing a storm 360 plus hours out is pretty high.
00:19:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:19:28
Nick Psomaras
And, you know, everybody on social media is going to screenshot that and put it on their website or put it on their Facebook. And then it gets the chatter going and then it, you you know, it messes with us because then we get these texts like, Oh, they're putting this out there.
00:19:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:19:40
Nick Psomaras
What the hell are you guys doing? It's like, guys, it's, we've been through this, the amount of digital snow that I should have gotten here in central New Jersey. I mean, the last 10 years, if, if, if every model came true, I would be buried under feet of snow and it just never really pans out.
00:19:55
Rob
He's still be digging out.
00:19:57
Nick Psomaras
So you just got to keep a little head.
00:19:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:20:00
Rob
Yeah, we'll be digging out. You know what, guys, it comes down to, honestly, it's accountability.
00:20:02
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:20:04
Rob
When you have a weather company like ours, or or you're even on television as I did before this ah in Philadelphia and other markets, you your reputation only, you have accountability.
00:20:15
Rob
If you're on social media and you are not running a weather company or something that you're getting paid for, that's considered, as you guys know, when you're getting paid for something if you're a professional, or at least we want to believe we are.
00:20:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:20:27
Rob
um
00:20:27
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:20:28
Rob
It's the accountability side. It's just like you guys on your side of the industry. ah When you can just go on the the you know social media and put whatever, and it's not just kids. It's people at all ages doing this that are weather fanatics.
00:20:40
Rob
ah If you're wrong, you're wrong. Nobody's going to care. You don't lose a job over it. We don't lose five plow companies or 25 that say, you're giving us wrong information. We're getting ready and gearing up for it.
00:20:50
Rob
heavy snow or something and we had to rent equipment and now we you know didn't have to use it, we lost money. mean We look at all that and we listen to you and say, that's important that our accountability is there.
00:21:02
Rob
Now, you know weather guys, as much as we jab at it and you guys jab at us, it's an inexact science. and you know but If it was perfect in the AI world, which we'll talk about a little later, ah we'd be out of a job and you guys wouldn't even have to worry about looking at the weather.
00:21:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:21:17
Rob
You'd just get up, you'd get the forecast, you know when you had to get up the plow, You'd know when the first two inches were coming on the Pave to push it if it's a one or two inch account um and so forth. So I think accountability to me is the word and and Nick hit it right on the money.
00:21:31
Rob
These models are going to get further and further out and everybody's going to have more access to it. So this is an ending. I think it's going to get worse with people down the road because they're going to look 700 hours out.
00:21:41
RICK JAMES
Mm hmm.
00:21:42
Rob
Then they're going to look ice nor Easter in March 15th on the weather model.
00:21:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:21:44
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:21:45
Rob
You know, and you know, but nobody remembers that a couple of weeks from now.
00:21:46
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:50
Rob
They don't remember that unless you've really hammered it. And that's where the accountability is. So yeah, unfortunately, social media is our friend, but it's also our FOA times. I think it can be both.
00:22:01
Rob
We do a lot of posting on Facebook pages. The Snowpal Mafia is in the Snowpal Nation podcast with you guys here today. It's great visibility for us to understand Uh, we want you guys to understand that, you know, we know your industry.
00:22:14
Rob
We're not just meteorologists popping in and doing a forecast. We want to know how you make decisions because, because my dog's growling didn't like that answer, I guess.
00:22:23
Nick Psomaras
Scarlett, Scarlett, please.
00:22:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
He's a bullshit detector.
00:22:27
Rob
Yeah.
00:22:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:22:30
Nick Psomaras
Scarlett's like, I've been hearing this for years, Rob.
00:22:30
Rob
yes he gave me
00:22:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great.
00:22:34
Rob
yeah
00:22:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
well
00:22:35
Rob
So.
00:22:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Now you guys are right though. You guys are right. It's not, it's not an exact science. And I liked that you guys last year, that one storm where I still remember it. It's not just been a couple of weeks. I still remember 10 days out there saying 12 to 18 inches for for my area. And I was freaking out cause I had a machine down and it got closer. The closer it got the more erratic all seven of those model runs got to the point where you guys were like, it's a coin flip. I don't know if you're getting coding to two or 20.
00:23:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah and like and i said how i remember telling nick one night like half angrily like how can you not be able to make an interpretation and he sent me the models he's like go ahead you put a pin in where the hell this things got all seven of them said something completely different to the tune of i think they're off like two to the two hundred to two hundred and fifty miles some of them.
00:23:06
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:23:25
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, it was something like that. Yeah.
00:23:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ridiculous so like I get you know I get I get that and I do defend you guys we love giving you shit But we do defend you that it's tough to make a call when you have models that are so out there like none of them agree on anything
00:23:27
Rob
Yeah.
00:23:33
Rob
Yeah.
00:23:38
Rob
and It's.
00:23:39
Nick Psomaras
Steve was like, what am I going to get when I wake up? And I'm like, ah, geez, this guy right here, I got to go to bed.
00:23:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
But you called it.
00:23:45
Nick Psomaras
But it was tough, yeah.
00:23:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
You nailed it. You nailed it. You said if it's snowing by 10, if it's snowing by 10 p.m., if you look out your door and it's snowing at 10 p.m., call everybody in quick because it's you're going to get the bigger side and it's going to come down really heavy.
00:23:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
If you're not snowing till 2 a.m., you're looking at a coating to two and it's missing you.
00:24:01
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:24:03
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And 10 p.m.
00:24:03
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, you sent me, uh, you sent me a picture of your deck.
00:24:04
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on the dot.
00:24:06
Nick Psomaras
You had like three inches already and I woke up and I was like, Hey, he's probably getting the foot now.
00:24:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:24:09
Nick Psomaras
And, but, but like we said, though, I, you called me after the storm and I was telling you, because we have clients just north of you, we have the, the Poughkeepsie, the Kingston's, the, the new pulse.
00:24:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:24:19
Nick Psomaras
They got way less than you did. And that's pretty common in the Hudson Valley.
00:24:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, yes.
00:24:23
Nick Psomaras
So you're plowing 12 to 14 inches. And then we go five miles north and we're talking to our clients and they barely even scraped.
00:24:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Five miles north, five miles west, 50% less snow. Always, always.
00:24:34
Nick Psomaras
Right, right.
00:24:35
Rob
Yeah.
00:24:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
That one you called me and said, what's going
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00:24:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
on in Fishgill? Because Newberg's got nothing across the river.
00:24:40
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:24:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Literally five miles away, has a dusting, and we're doing a foot. ah Yeah, it it happens that way. I don't know what it is about our little area, of the microclimate, but we definitely do better in this little area here.
00:24:52
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:24:52
Rob
Yeah, we do.
00:24:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Yeah, but you nailed it. You you nailed it. You gave me the best answer you could with what you had. And, you know, I can't ask for more than that because I couldn't make a determination on the seven models. They were, dude, Jeremy, they were so erratic.
00:25:02
Nick Psomaras
what are you shaking What are you shaking her head? What are you shaking her head, Jeremy?
00:25:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, they were so erratic, dude.
00:25:05
RICK JAMES
i
00:25:06
Nick Psomaras
What are you shaking your head for?
00:25:06
RICK JAMES
right and yeah He's giving you a compliment. I'm like, you better lock this down, Nick.
00:25:10
Nick Psomaras
Oh, god.
00:25:11
RICK JAMES
Lock it up.
00:25:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:25:15
RICK JAMES
You should get a recording of that, Nick.
00:25:15
Rob
i don't i don't
00:25:18
RICK JAMES
Just play it for his ringtone.
00:25:19
Nick Psomaras
I know. I know. I know. I'm going to screen record it when I hear it.
00:25:20
Rob
they how'd you fit that Nick, how'd you fit that $50 bill to Steve just now through the laptop? Is it like a little insert?
00:25:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:25:28
Rob
Like at the casino you put the dollar in?
00:25:28
Nick Psomaras
He just Venmo. He just Venmo requested me right now.
00:25:31
Rob
went
00:25:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
I give credit where credit is due.
00:25:33
Rob
kind
00:25:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
He it gave me enough to go on where, hey, listen, 10 p.m., it's if it's snowing already, strap in because you're going to get hammered.
00:25:34
RICK JAMES
ah
00:25:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
And it was snowing at 10 p.m. And and he did he even said, if it starts at 10, it's going to go from nothing to two to three inches an hour in about 30 to 40 minutes.
00:25:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
So don't wait to call guys in. And I'm glad I didn't. I brought everybody in. And it was literally three inch an hour snowfall rates for four to five hours before it lit up.
00:25:57
Rob
Yeah,
00:26:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
So it was, yeah, but it was wild to see those models and what you guys are looking at to make determinations for all of us and to see seven models disagreeing so vehemently on everything.
00:26:01
Rob
yeah Nick.
00:26:11
Rob
Well, and and Steve, so close to the event, I think that I remember.
00:26:13
Nick Psomaras
So close, so close, 24 hours out.
00:26:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:26:14
Rob
and you You know, to ah you don't see it usually that often. So.
00:26:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, that's what normally, that's what you guys say, like wait for the short range models, you know, the 72 hours to come in. what Inside of five days, we're good. Inside of three days, we're great. And then 24 hours out, you guys are like, I have no freaking idea.
00:26:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
We can't make a call.
00:26:31
Nick Psomaras
Right, and then and then you go over but then you go over to the Germany storm that didn't pan out in the Midwest, and it's like we're pretty conservative when it comes to the models.
00:26:31
Rob
Yeah.
00:26:39
Nick Psomaras
We know that they like to jump the gun, but when I was talking to Germany about that storm that didn't pan out, it's like I'm seeing seven, eight model runs back to back to back show the same amount of snow. What am I supposed to do?
00:26:50
Nick Psomaras
Just kind of like just say that's completely, I'd say you see the consistency and you're like, you know what?
00:26:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:26:52
Rob
Blow it off, yeah.
00:26:56
Nick Psomaras
I'm going to put the forecast out because i I think that these models are grasping onto something and then they completely reverse as you get closer and closer to the event. And Jeremy ended up with like three or four inches when, I mean, every model kind of had over 10 for you guys.
00:27:09
Nick Psomaras
And that would have been a ah solid storm in a, in a pretty bad winter.
00:27:12
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:27:13
Nick Psomaras
Um, and that was towards the end of the year, correct? That was like, uh, right, right.
00:27:16
RICK JAMES
Yeah, I was, it's like March or something April.
00:27:18
Nick Psomaras
That's what I remember.
00:27:18
RICK JAMES
I think it was March. Yeah, March. It was, it was late in the year.
00:27:20
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:27:21
RICK JAMES
Yeah. I was where you can always get those big ones around here, you know, heavier ones, but.
00:27:24
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:27:25
Rob
Yeah.
00:27:26
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:27:26
Rob
and So you know a lot of times it's one degree as in the temperature at about a mile up. It's called an 850 millibar. That's the technical thing in the meteorology word. And that's where you get the snow type.
00:27:39
Rob
you know that you know you know There's big flakes, half a dollar versus the dry snow you typically see up Jeremy's way in the Midwest, upper Midwest.
00:27:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm hmm.
00:27:46
Rob
And it's that temperature at that level that can change by a degree or two. And and that changes the water content of the snow. So, you know, when you talk about these storms and the models are a little off, that's why they can vary is they're fighting over a half a degree, a half a degree of temperature, deciding whether that's a really big, heavy, wet snowflake that you wound up getting in that storm. Or is it that little tiny flakes that typically, like you said, Alaska, where it's very dry, Colorado, that type of snow doesn't get the influence of the Atlantic or even the Gulf of Mexico.
00:28:20
Rob
so it these models you know this is what makes our our business hard but it also helps us do the homework for you to what we see we're not trying to hype it we're saying guys sometimes these are going to be tougher than others there are sometimes storms that come down and they're easy we love them not not side winders as we used last year and that's a term we use internally
00:28:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:28:42
Rob
It's a storm that goes west to east. It's really for the national companies that we cover. We do work with a lot of the national guys, the first choices in the WSIs. And, you know, when we see one go west to east, we cover all 33 zones across the country. For the most part, just about everybody.
00:28:59
Rob
um you know, we're gonna work several days in a row. We know it's gonna be a lot of manpower for us and in sleepless nights. We're right there with you. I mean, honestly, it's it's like we're we're in the truck, but not really, you know?
00:29:09
Rob
I mean, it's when the storm hits, we're on call 24 seven at night. and And Jeremy, like you said, we were joking. Steve will call us. Jeremy, we don't hear from you as much, but I think, yeah.
00:29:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, I'll call but hu the reach around.
00:29:20
Nick Psomaras
Ah.
00:29:20
RICK JAMES
and Steve loves the old wraparound, just saying.
00:29:21
Rob
ah ah Well, we'll call this year.
00:29:24
Nick Psomaras
ah fun ah The reach around, Jeremy, the reach around.
00:29:26
RICK JAMES
I reach around, I reach around, I reach around, I reach around.
00:29:27
Rob
We're each around.
00:29:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. The reach around. Yep. but
00:29:30
RICK JAMES
He's a firefighter.
00:29:30
Rob
The reach around was when Jeremy reached for the beer by me at the SNS show in Scranton, he reached around for the beer with my beer that he reached around for.
00:29:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:29:36
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:29:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:29:40
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:29:40
Rob
yeah
00:29:41
RICK JAMES
Tried.
00:29:41
Rob
Let's see how the reach around. So yeah, guys, I think I think this year the biggest wild card going back to this will be when we get to mid to late January. I'm going to see if that fork in the road is neutral or still weak La Nina.
00:29:54
Rob
I think it's going to go neutral just for what I'm seeing. So I think you're going to have a winter up front. That's a small storms, little cold shots, uh, better than last year. I do think we get off to a better start than last winter, which isn't saying much because there wasn't much snow at all in the country.
00:30:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:30:09
Rob
and so you really the bar is kind of low already and then when you get to late January we'll kind of see where that goes and if it goes to neutral you kind of again you're getting a traditional winter from the last few decades where you do get snow in February I'm not saying it's going to be a blockbuster we can't look that far out I mean we'll be honest with you but we can look at patterns and patterns can give us a little bit of heads up on what to expect for february and march and you know when we get to that point we'll see where i think guys right now are just like you said getting ready some of them are still waiting for payments we understand and we work with our clients on that a lot of guys are still uh waiting and i say guys we understand you know winter's not underway yet and we're all in this together we all want to make money and you know have a good life and support our families one guy to the next
00:30:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:30:55
Nick Psomaras
I think that's the best part about our our company too. it's like We don't cut you off if you can't make a payment. okay We're not like that. yeah we We know you're good for the money. We understand it. You know, a lot of people don't, they haven't had experience paying for the weather in general. Like they're, they've been looking the last 10 years on their news stations, on the weather apps. We totally understand it. We get it. The the private weather sector is fairly new. So you're not used to paying for weather. in We're not going to cut you off.
00:31:21
Nick Psomaras
We're not
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00:31:22
Nick Psomaras
just going to say, oh, wow, you didn't pay on this date.
00:31:22
Rob
yeah
00:31:24
Nick Psomaras
you're're You're not getting weather from us ever again.
00:31:25
Rob
Yeah.
00:31:26
Nick Psomaras
we We love to work with our clients, and we totally understand the the financial stuff. and um But we also want our clients to you know communicate with us. We don't like when people dodge us.
00:31:37
Nick Psomaras
That's the biggest thing.
00:31:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:31:38
Nick Psomaras
it's like If you don't text back, if you don't but answer our emails, it's like then then it's kind of like a slap to the face.
00:31:38
Rob
You know how that is.
00:31:45
Nick Psomaras
And then we're like, come on.
00:31:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:31:46
Nick Psomaras
you know
00:31:48
Rob
Yeah, and i and you guys know that's with anything.
00:31:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
You think it's more.
00:31:50
Rob
yeah
00:31:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
You guys think it's more important now than ever to actually, if you're a snow guy, to be paying for a weather service with all this bullshit, clickbait and all these amateur weather guys that are all over social media, putting out these ridiculous claims just to get people freaking all fired up.
00:31:59
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:32:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, is it more important than ever? Because it seems to be. It just seems to be so much bullshit out there.
00:32:08
Rob
Yeah. And I think you know when I mentioned and Nick, we were kidding around a few minutes ago that that the models are going to go further and further out.
00:32:10
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:32:16
Rob
So this is going to get worse. It's not going to get better. And you know TikTok you know guys are on TikTok making videos. There was a guy last year. He got millions of views and blew that winter out last year, particularly for the Northeast.
00:32:27
Rob
And you everybody knows what happened. He went crazy saying it was gonna be a hit historic winter. I mean, that's I just thought that was a little irresponsible. It is hard to say anything in this time of year that's going to be historic of anything, historic hurricane, historic blizzard, historic anything otherwise.
00:32:43
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:32:44
Rob
I mean, you're calling for the extreme of extreme months in advance. That's hard to do and I would never take that gamble. I just wouldn't say something this far out and they get clicks.
00:32:55
Rob
That guy made a ton of money on, on on YouTube, I can tell you that I think he had almost two million views.
00:32:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Was, was he a hobbyist or was he an actual meteorologist?
00:33:01
Rob
I can't remember.
00:33:03
Rob
I don't know. Nick, I don't know if you know who I'm talking about.
00:33:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, no names.
00:33:07
Rob
I don't think I don't know. I don't think he was a meteorologist. he He seemed more of a showman type of guy, but I don't know.
00:33:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
so
00:33:13
Rob
Maybe he was.
00:33:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:33:14
Rob
And I don't remember his name.
00:33:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
You never know.
00:33:15
Rob
I'm not trying to.
00:33:16
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:33:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
He could have, he could.
00:33:16
Rob
But.
00:33:16
Nick Psomaras
i'm I'm not sure, but I mean, the worst part of this is you you look at their profiles and you're like, this is a 40 year old man posting this stuff.
00:33:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:33:25
Nick Psomaras
You're used to seeing 13 and 14 year olds, just, you know, the kids that love the snow, they're going to post maps and you look at their profiles.
00:33:25
Rob
Yeah.
00:33:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm hmm.
00:33:31
Nick Psomaras
You're like, what the hell are you doing? You're a grown man.
00:33:34
Rob
But, again...
00:33:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:33:35
Nick Psomaras
What are you doing?
00:33:35
RICK JAMES
see
00:33:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
You never know. Maybe he's desperate. Maybe he finished last in his class at Guadalajara Tech weather school. You don't know. You have no idea.
00:33:42
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:33:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, he might be desperate.
00:33:44
RICK JAMES
yeah Maybe a hobby weather guy.
00:33:47
Nick Psomaras
That's my degree.
00:33:47
Rob
got
00:33:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hobby, hobby, pusher, weather guy.
00:33:48
Nick Psomaras
Guadalajara, that's my school.
00:33:52
Rob
yeah
00:33:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Guadalajara Tech.
00:33:54
Nick Psomaras
Guadalajara Tech, yep.
00:33:56
Rob
and hard tech He said, go GT. I saw his sweatshirt, Nick, and it said, GT.
00:34:00
Nick Psomaras
yeah
00:34:00
Rob
I said, is that Georgia Tech? No, that's Guadalajara Tech.
00:34:03
Nick Psomaras
I only bring it i only bring it out only bring it out during special events.
00:34:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
very
00:34:04
Rob
that's
00:34:04
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:34:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
but
00:34:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
The fighting Jackalopes.
00:34:07
Rob
Yes.
00:34:08
RICK JAMES
what some thatsco
00:34:09
Rob
Yes.
00:34:10
RICK JAMES
there you go
00:34:11
Rob
Instead of the Yellow Jackets, it was the Yellow Rice.
00:34:12
Nick Psomaras
That's funny.
00:34:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:34:14
Rob
you know
00:34:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh my gosh, that's funny.
00:34:15
RICK JAMES
i
00:34:16
Rob
Yeah, so yeah, and then that goes back to the accountability thing.
00:34:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh.
00:34:19
Rob
I said a few minutes ago, if you are doing something on social media and you are not making any living off of it, as in you're not a meteorologist running a weather company or working for the weather service.
00:34:30
Rob
And the weather service the other day, even in Fargo, Jeremy was joking around brown about these models way out. Nick, remember we were talking about that, how they they even joke about it, the weather service, the actual government that puts the forecast out said, yeah, now everybody's starting to look at the 726 hour model you know for this.
00:34:45
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:34:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:34:46
Rob
like yeah yeah so
00:34:47
Nick Psomaras
I love that. I saw it on Twitter. It was Grand Forks, not Fargo, but they were ah yeah they were making they were actually taking a dig, which you rarely see out of those guys because they're pretty tight and they they're conservative.
00:34:51
RICK JAMES
Yep, yep, yep.
00:34:59
Nick Psomaras
They don't like to you know jump out and say any crazy stuff, but yeah, the person tweeted out like, oh, all these hobbyists out there can can go shove it up.
00:34:59
Rob
very
00:35:07
Nick Psomaras
They're whatever, you know what?
00:35:08
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:35:08
Nick Psomaras
And then it was funny because Key West National Weather Service in Florida tweeted back out at them. And they obviously they get no signs of Key West. And they're like, yeah, we deal with that a lot down here in Florida, but they were joking around.
00:35:20
RICK JAMES
but
00:35:21
Nick Psomaras
I thought it was great.
00:35:21
Rob
Yeah.
00:35:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah That's great.
00:35:22
Nick Psomaras
I thought it was so funny.
00:35:23
Rob
and Yeah. Well, that was like this year with the the hype of the hurricane in Tampa and how it went just south and saved really Tampa Bay, but there was so much hype because it's such a large market that hasn't been hit.
00:35:37
Rob
and it wound up just going a little south of there near Siesta Key if you're familiar with Florida and been down there and the water got pushed out of the bay not right into the city which would have been yeah it would have been i mean 150 billion dollar storm but going back to this uh that Stephen mentioned about using a weather service one of the things we do that's very unique with us here is the free trial and and that's really where we've had our real good success is letting guys come in right now you can go to our website theweatherpros.com and it's right on the home page just click out the free trial fill out your pertinent information it takes 10 seconds
00:36:11
Rob
We will now start you with weather now until your first salt or plow through that one. So even if you sign up today, tomorrow, next week, and you see some snow coming or you're not sure, we're going to give you a feel of how our weather works, the weather text with the maps. We also have email supplements of larger maps, so they're easy to see if you want to look at them on your laptop.
00:36:31
Rob
where these are six-day outlooks. Every day they come out across the country where it's going to salt plow that we see. And then we have 45-day outlooks. We have about two-week outlooks there, just things to see that give you guys an insight. And, and you know, guys, this time of year is very critical because some guys, particularly and not in the northern, northern states, um have not put the plows on yet and they haven't put the spreaders on. And you kind of want to wait, we know, as long as possible because they weigh the truck down and it's a pain in the ass.
00:36:58
Rob
ah So we this time of year say put this in follow us till that first salter plow and See if we helped you if you thought it was worth it if you do Well, we'll give you a price package and the pricing is based on where you live Obviously Jeremy's gonna have a different price package because we like charging him more but versus versus somebody in like Baltimore, or Washington, they just don't get the snow Yes, yes
00:37:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:37:15
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:37:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
100%. 100%. Take it easy on the hobby pushers.
00:37:23
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:26
Rob
So, you know, I think that's what makes us unique too about our service. You know, we're on here to talk about that because last year we had a great number of people come in from the podcast, this one that gave us a try and now they're clients.
00:37:40
Rob
So we thank you for that. You guys as well are new clients that we picked last year.
00:37:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Good.
00:37:43
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:37:44
Rob
And that's what it's about. I think i think we want to take that stress away from you. We're not going to I mean, I did TV for a long time, and it's a different animal. It really is. The producer will tell you, you know, sling this a little bit to get that extra five minutes.
00:37:58
Rob
I mean, in TV, in 15-minute increments, if you can get that person the first five minutes to stay watching, you get credit for the 15, and it's all about ads.
00:38:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh yeah.
00:38:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ratings based weather.
00:38:07
Rob
And November... November and February, you will see the biggest hype in winter weather on TV, because that's the ratings months.
00:38:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yup.
00:38:16
Rob
November and February, yeah, sweeps as they call it.
00:38:16
RICK JAMES
Sweeps.
00:38:19
Rob
And then May, but we're out of the snow by May.
00:38:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nope.
00:38:19
RICK JAMES
you know
00:38:20
Rob
Well, mostly everybody, not everybody fully, but we have Alaska and it'll snow till June there.
00:38:25
RICK JAMES
Whoa.
00:38:26
Rob
so
00:38:26
Nick Psomaras
Oh, yeah it will.
00:38:27
Rob
So yeah, it's it's something that I love you guys to try for listening. you know We don't stress that you know we're just gonna ask you if you like it, we'll ask you once or twice and that's it. And then you're on your way, we're not gonna push you on it. Just see if you like it, there's no commitment. um And that's the best way to see if this is something you wanna pay for. As Nick mentioned, this is new to a lot of guys, particularly guys that are smaller operations that you know may have never needed a weather service, turn on the local TV guy.
00:38:53
Rob
I think social media has made this, as Steve, you asked me earlier, more important than ever. It's the social media aspect and not being accountable, not being accountable because you said it to me the other day said, oh, here we go with the social media.
00:38:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I would agree. Sure.
00:39:05
Rob
If you're not accountable, you're going to keep doing it. You know, it's like, you know, your when your kids were younger, if you don't, you know, discipline them for doing something, they're just going to keep doing it.
00:39:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:39:14
Rob
And that's how it kind of works.
00:39:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. You mentioned Alaska. You guys are doing weather in Alaska again. You're you're still doing it.
00:39:21
Nick Psomaras
We are, yeah, we are.
00:39:21
Rob
Yeah, we picked up
00:39:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
You got a lot of people up there.
00:39:24
Rob
Yeah, Jeff Coe is our big client, Jeannie up there.
00:39:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
OK.
00:39:27
Rob
She's a real good person to work with. And she's kind of the claim to fame to getting things black topped up there, the you know years up there, they never really scraped down to the surface with the liquids and other things.
00:39:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Cool.
00:39:39
Rob
And she's been known kind of the pioneer up there, if you will. And we got a couple customers up
00:39:43
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, we we ah we we we love her genie because she it's like it's a day in the office for her when it snows, you know, they get they get snow every three days. So it's kind of like we put our forecast out and she doesn't take anything for granted. She's out there. She's doing her due diligence and she just likes our um like a she likes to have a third party kind of forecast as opposed to just a new station.
00:40:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:40:06
Nick Psomaras
um And yeah, I mean, they get they've had they had 93 inches last year, which is pretty, pretty good for even on Anchorage standpoint. So um they've had a couple really good winners.
00:40:17
Nick Psomaras
um snows pretty much every day there. But it's good to
00:40:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:40:21
Nick Psomaras
diversify the weather because we're kind of yeah always stuck in the northeast of the Midwest. So to jump out there, it's like, wow, this is a totally different animal. um You have to learn the geography because, you know, there's elevation east of Anchorage, the whole whole nine yards there.
00:40:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:40:35
Nick Psomaras
So it it honestly, it's a it's a nice challenge for us as a as forecasters.
00:40:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Are there any new, are there any new areas you guys are getting into expanding your territories that you're covering this year?
00:40:40
Rob
Yeah.
00:40:45
Nick Psomaras
Rob, let them know. Oh, Canada.
00:40:45
Rob
Um, what?
00:40:47
Rob
Yeah.
00:40:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh yeah, I got something.
00:40:48
Nick Psomaras
ah
00:40:49
Rob
Yeah, we went up to Ontario.
00:40:49
RICK JAMES
Oh, are you going to Canada?
00:40:50
Nick Psomaras
ah ah
00:40:51
Rob
So if you're listening to Ontario, yeah.
00:40:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh really? What happened? I thought you were never going to Canada.
00:40:56
Nick Psomaras
Ontario baby.
00:40:56
Rob
Well, you know. This is what happened. I mean, there's there's Kitchener, and there's a city of Kitchener, and the some of the municipalities are coming to us now, and they've heard about us. And some of it was through you, obviously. Obviously, um we've had you know a lot of inquiries from Canada over the years. And we've been trying to think about it. We tried it a little bit. It just didn't get traction. And this year, we're seeing it more than ever.
Weather Forecasting in Canada
00:41:20
Rob
And we've gotten the first few paying clients Kitchener, right?
00:41:24
Rob
I think it's a company in Kitchener. And then we have some in Toronto.
00:41:26
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:41:27
RICK JAMES
Good
00:41:28
Rob
ah That's the most populous area in Canada.
00:41:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice.
00:41:30
RICK JAMES
for you guys.
00:41:31
Rob
And it's close to Buffalo. It's right over the line there.
00:41:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Good for you guys. You're international now.
00:41:35
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:41:35
Rob
Yes, international.
00:41:35
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:41:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
00:41:36
Rob
Sounds great, doesn't it?
00:41:37
RICK JAMES
if
00:41:39
Rob
You got to convert the money, though, right? You got to convert.
00:41:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it. Yeah.
00:41:41
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:41:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:41:42
RICK JAMES
a
00:41:43
Rob
Right?
00:41:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh God.
00:41:44
RICK JAMES
ye
00:41:45
Rob
And you've got to do everything centimetres, and we we are aware of that.
00:41:48
RICK JAMES
oh yeah
00:41:48
Rob
We have all that stuff.
00:41:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, screw that.
00:41:50
Rob
And Canada just doesn't have as many stations.
00:41:51
Nick Psomaras
So dumb.
00:41:55
Rob
Well, there's terminology there, too.
00:41:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
I can't do it. I can't do the conversions.
00:41:59
Rob
See, flurries in Canada can be one or two inches of snow, actually. Some of the terminology is different, you know.
00:42:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
What is, what's it work out to like $450 for weather.
00:42:03
RICK JAMES
his paul
00:42:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
and If you translate the count is like 15 grand. but What's the conversion rate?
00:42:10
Rob
ah you yeah go
00:42:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, what?
00:42:13
RICK JAMES
so
00:42:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
I can't do the conversions.
00:42:16
Rob
That would be some conversion. By the way, we don't work it no longer in the US. We're just going to operate in Canada now because everything's converted.
00:42:21
RICK JAMES
Yeah, that kind of money.
00:42:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
but ah
00:42:24
RICK JAMES
Even with the conversion.
00:42:24
Nick Psomaras
I just moved. I'm up and bob up in Montreal now.
00:42:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh God.
00:42:27
RICK JAMES
Oh, I don't think I'd want to.
00:42:27
Rob
Yeah.
00:42:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I can't do the conversion.
00:42:29
Rob
Yes. Steve, I need you to give you a new weather company, right?
00:42:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Centimeters.
00:42:32
Rob
Yeah, it's Center Media.
00:42:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Centimeters is great though, because they they all sound like major storms.
00:42:36
Nick Psomaras
Right, right.
00:42:36
Rob
Yeah, thank you.
00:42:36
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, oh, we got 27 centimeters.
00:42:37
Rob
Because it's a lot.
00:42:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh that We don't know. That's only three inches. like oh right yeah
00:42:40
Rob
That also works. That also works in bed, you know, he used that line.
00:42:45
RICK JAMES
but I knew that was going.
00:42:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:42:48
RICK JAMES
I knew that was going.
00:42:48
Nick Psomaras
out that ah That was a layup.
00:42:48
Rob
you
00:42:50
Nick Psomaras
That was a layup right there.
00:42:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah That's why his camera's off.
00:42:51
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:52
Rob
see
00:42:56
RICK JAMES
ah
00:42:56
Rob
Nick dick goes up the counter on the weekends just to show off.
00:42:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:43:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's awesome. That's great.
00:43:02
RICK JAMES
Huge.
00:43:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh shit. So you guys are in Canada now.
00:43:04
Nick Psomaras
Speaking of that, we also do post-storm verification totals as well, you guys. Thank you.
00:43:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go. In centimeters. In centimeters.
00:43:11
RICK JAMES
it's Yeah, yeah.
00:43:12
Rob
and
00:43:12
Nick Psomaras
seventime meter
00:43:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh man.
00:43:13
Rob
Well, you can build better. If it's in centimeter, did you get the higher billing brack bracket?
00:43:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:43:17
Rob
Oh, yeah.
00:43:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Send mine in centimeters please.
00:43:17
Nick Psomaras
Oh, absolutely.
00:43:18
Rob
violence concerning
00:43:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
but ah Wonder if a client would catch that.
00:43:22
Rob
Walmart. look Yes, I knew that one.
00:43:24
Nick Psomaras
Right. You're you're at 180 centimeters, Steven Fishkill.
00:43:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, there you go.
00:43:28
Rob
Yes, manufacturing house.
00:43:28
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:43:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
um I'll love it. I'll bill it and see if they catch it.
00:43:30
Nick Psomaras
Yep, bill it.
00:43:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's like that's great.
00:43:33
RICK JAMES
and sendda Yeah, that's great.
00:43:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
So you're in Canada. That's awesome.
00:43:36
Rob
Yeah, yeah, but we're gonna give a shot.
00:43:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Guys are officially international.
00:43:38
Rob
And one of the things we have this year too is is it's a little different. We had it last year and in the year before we started, but we've expanded. So the larger areas, particularly in the West, um because they're sparsely populated and we don't have it as many clients to to really hone in on.
00:43:54
Rob
ah do ah general maps and their emails that's a lower price package that we also offer and we have that stuff with our sales guy when you fill out the free trial will explain to you whether you're in a texting zone which is like a you know typically a minneapolis indianapolis philadelphia boston the big cities and the big metro areas and then the smaller ones out west geographically bigger but smaller population We will give you general email maps and that package is lower if you do need post storm and some of you guys ah what that is is basically after a storm we simply send you your zip codes that you've requested or towns how much snow fell in that area you can attach to your billing it's really great i mean all the weather companies do it the weather works and and the true weather is our competitors and we're friends with those guys we all pretty much have that scene
00:44:40
Rob
type of report in a synopsis. But, you know, if there's pushback on on a bill, and I don't know if, Steve, you run into that or Jeremy, um you know, where they say, no, I don't think it's, no, what you're saying it did.
00:44:51
Rob
You're billing me for 5.3 inches. You moved up a bracket. Well, we have a weather weather company, and that's why we say they're important. We have a weather company that's certified. We get the government data, and we take COCOROS data, which is just an acronym for these
00:45:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:45:05
Rob
thousands of thousands of gauges that the weather service uses across the country and they melt down the snow because they can't really measure snow. there's It's hard to measure snow really i mean outside of the ruler and manually. They're still trying to figure that one out. But um these gauges melted down and then we can look at the ratio of the storm. Typical storm in the east is one inch of rain is 10 inches of snow.
00:45:26
Rob
up by Jeremy in the Dakotas, that could be one inch of rain equals 30 inches of snow. 30 to one rain per day versus 10 to one. It's about the liquid content of those snowflakes as we mentioned. So we do that for you so you can attach it to a billing.
00:45:40
Rob
A lot of guys just keep it in case someone does say, I don't believe the total you gave me if you're charging by the inch. Or you're keeping tabs on a seasonal. We can keep that for you as well you know with a cap.
00:45:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:45:52
Rob
If you've got a cap and you don't know where you're at in Feb, Because you might have to start billing differently go going over the cap. We'll let you know where you're at. So this is the stuff a Floor which yeah, we talked about that last year.
00:46:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Or more importantly, a floor.
00:46:03
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, true.
00:46:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, yeah.
00:46:03
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:05
Rob
Is that getting bigger guys?
00:46:06
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:46:06
Rob
I haven't heard much about it this year Right
00:46:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I think a lot of guys are are doing it because like you said, there's less money for the customers to spend.
00:46:09
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:46:14
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:46:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
they are Their biggest fear is paying a lot of money for top quality snow work and having it not snow.
00:46:18
RICK JAMES
Nothing.
00:46:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
So therere if you give them insurance, it says, hey, listen, you're at least going to get a you know some money back if we get four inches and we've budgeted or we bid for 48.
00:46:21
Nick Psomaras
Right, right. Yeah.
00:46:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
They like that. I think there's more and more guys doing that. um
00:46:36
Rob
Yeah. And I think guys feel it.
00:46:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
but Yeah though for us two years ago was the floor we were keeping track of cuz it february twenty eight we only had nine inches and then we ended at thirty nine inches but still we were we were keeping track of it like every every centimeter whatever snow that fell that freezing rain everything we were keeping track of it via the weather pros because i'm like man we're gonna we're gonna hit the floor we're gonna activate the floor.
00:46:43
Rob
Right.
00:46:50
RICK JAMES
Yeah, Jesus.
00:46:51
Rob
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:59
Rob
Yeah. Now is that.
00:46:59
Nick Psomaras
and then that march And then that march came in for you.
00:47:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Then March, then March 1st came around in 30 inches and 14 days.
00:47:03
Rob
Yeah.
00:47:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
So yeah, it was good.
00:47:06
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, that was clutch.
00:47:06
Rob
Yeah. and and And watch March this year, because two years ago, I was looking at that 2022 or 2023 winter, there was snow in March, I just literally was looking this up right before he started the podcast to say, you know, let me take a look at this winter because it it is matching somewhat, you know, they're all going to be different.
00:47:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:47:24
Rob
In some places may not match that exactly as that winter, but that's the last one that matched this week La Nina.
00:47:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
00:47:31
Rob
And yeah, the the floor stuff is the floor stuff now from what I'm hearing Jeremy and and Steve, some guys are doing 20% off the next winter if you re sign some guys are doing money, are you actually doing cash back?
00:47:32
RICK JAMES
Two years ago, it's phenomenal.
00:47:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
there's all sorts of ways you can do it.
00:47:44
RICK JAMES
No. and Yeah.
00:47:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
They can, for me, they can roll it into their next year. If they have another year on the contract or they are going to renew, they can roll it in the next year or they can take it off their final payment of this year.
00:47:56
Rob
Yeah, and I think you're right that if if we get another down winters in less than average snow for the majority of the people that plow, I think that will continue. But maybe this is the year we get the monkey off our back and where are some some significant storms and guys start going, Wait a minute, you know, but I hear that too. I've even heard it in Syracuse, where I used to live in my son went to college up there.
00:48:18
Rob
ah They get 125 on average and they haven't even had, I don't think they've had 80 inches, 70 inches of snow the last three winters, even they've had historically low ones.
00:48:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
00:48:26
RICK JAMES
Wow.
00:48:27
Rob
But you know, if you're on that seasonal side where we, you know, guys will tell us they're 60% seasonal, you know, maybe 40% of their accounts or by the push by the increment by the inch, or however they work it.
00:48:39
Rob
um you know Guys are going, some of these seasonal guys, and again, maybe that was the lake contractors you were saying are starting to go, maybe we roll the dice. Is this the new norm ah for the Great Lakes, particularly?
00:48:51
Rob
ah The lake effects have been way down because they're exponentially are different than Jeremy or you even Steve.
00:48:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:48:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:48:58
Rob
I mean, when you're averaging 100 and you get 50, that's a huge difference versus 10 inches versus 20 in Philadelphia.
00:49:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:49:02
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:49:05
Rob
That's a significant change in your whole operation.
00:49:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:08
Rob
Uh, so, um, so anyway, go ahead.
00:49:11
RICK JAMES
So, so what do you like when you get, when you're in your totals, you just, you're just like going off a independent, uh, what you want to try to say, um, spotters, right?
00:49:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Go ahead, Jack.
00:49:23
Rob
Well, they're, yeah, they're spotters.
00:49:24
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, yep Steve Steve does not like them
00:49:24
RICK JAMES
Spotters or what?
00:49:26
Rob
So we've said this, it was,
00:49:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Those guys are drunk.
00:49:26
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:49:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Those guys are drunk if not the ones in my area.
00:49:31
RICK JAMES
Cause we had, We had a guy that was pretty good around here and he retired so was we're just trying to figure out, you know, where to get.
00:49:38
Rob
Well, you know, you can do it. You know, you guys know about this program. And we've mentioned this to the guys in New Jersey when we speak at the New Jersey Landscapers Association. In some of these associations, we we will be occasionally the guest speaker speaking about this. Here's what I want to tell everybody listening right now. You can become your own spotter in your hometown.
00:49:58
Rob
You go on the website, the weather service, and it doesn't even, I don't think it has to be the one in your town, actually. It's an online course. It is not heavy math and physics like you're going to a meteorology class. It's basic weather. Now you'll learn about tornadoes and things in a spotter and you take this test. It's not difficult, from what I understand. I haven't taken it. I know if,
00:50:18
Rob
chair and that Jeremy Jared, our vice president did, and he's a spotter where he is. So you take this test and you officially become the spotter of the National Weather Service.
00:50:29
Rob
Those numbers are used in the snow totals we give you because that cannot be challenged in court. It is a government document saying six point now they've what you learn is
00:50:37
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:50:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Come in.
00:50:40
RICK JAMES
man
00:50:42
Rob
Right. you I mean, seriously, you'll get an ID and no one will know that you reporting the snow.
00:50:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
but
00:50:48
Rob
It'll just say ID number or or the town.
00:50:50
RICK JAMES
Anonymous.
00:50:51
Rob
Yeah. It's, it's kind of anonymous.
00:50:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Oh, I would be at his freaking house, dude.
00:50:52
Nick Psomaras
Believe me, if Steve knew the guy, if he if there if there was a name and address, he'd be up right there.
00:50:53
Rob
and
00:50:58
Nick Psomaras
Oh my god.
00:50:59
Rob
Yeah.
00:50:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, Mr.
00:50:59
RICK JAMES
it says It's one of his employees.
00:51:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Undercutter.
00:51:01
RICK JAMES
It's one of your employees.
00:51:02
Rob
But they
00:51:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's so bad, dude. It's so bad. Like we send pictures. Like that's why we take the pictures with, like Rob said, we actually pull the ruler out and take timestamp before the sun comes up and it starts to compress because we know whoever that spotter is, is going to historically cut it by 30%.
00:51:13
Rob
And we can do that now.
00:51:16
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:51:21
Rob
Well, do you know why that happens, Steve?
00:51:22
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:51:24
Rob
Why it happens is.
00:51:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
What? Cause he doesn't get up till 10 AM and it's all compressed by then.
00:51:27
Rob
Exactly. These are volunteers. It can be somebody that's a kid that's in high school, that's a weather enthusiast, could be a meteorology student.
00:51:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:51:35
Rob
Even if he knows how to measure it, he may get up at a certain time. And they do not, the Weather Service, and this is something I really thought they should change. They do not require a window of time to hand this in.
00:51:46
Rob
Obviously, it's two days later, it's not going to work. But that's particularly when stuff changes over or melts, huge difference. And that changes everybody's brackets. Because we have to use those numbers
00:51:55
Nick Psomaras
Right.
00:51:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Oh yeah.
00:51:57
Rob
um Now, if you as a snow plow company use our service and you are getting post storm, we will take a look at those numbers now. You know why? Because of the phones. They're time stamped.
00:52:07
Rob
They can't be fake.
00:52:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
00:52:10
Rob
So you can't say in court, say you were to fight somebody at a gas station and he says, you know, you billed me for 12.5 inches. I only saw seven. well We got this time stamp and it's right on the surface that we're plowing the parking lot of gas station or the pumping area.
00:52:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:52:25
Rob
And that's where we're at. And that's just something that this industry has to and I'm not blaming the plow industry. I'm blaming the government for this their spotters should have to have a window of time to measure this snow.
00:52:31
RICK JAMES
and
00:52:37
Rob
I think their fear is honestly guys they're going to get guys going.
00:52:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:52:40
Rob
I just don't want to do it anymore if I've got to get up at five in the morning.
00:52:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm hmm.
00:52:43
Rob
You know, that sort of vibe when you guys are about to plow or you're plowing and that spotter does this and they're doing it really for the love of weather.
00:52:43
Nick Psomaras
Right, right.
00:52:43
RICK JAMES
right right right
00:52:51
Rob
They're not doing it for anything. There's no money in it. There's no there's no pay.
00:52:53
Nick Psomaras
That's what I'm saying. they They don't know how much it impacts you guys.
00:52:57
Rob
You know.
00:52:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, because they're not doing it for snow professionals.
00:52:57
Nick Psomaras
so sort of so they Right, so they they get the certificate, they put the ruler in the ground, they post it on the National Weather Service, and that's it. They clean their hands, they don't gotta deal with anybody yelling at them, but we have to use their data, and then we get yelled at.
00:53:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, yes.
00:53:13
Nick Psomaras
So as Rob was alluding to, please don't yell at us if the totals are off.
00:53:14
RICK JAMES
okay
00:53:18
Nick Psomaras
If you have a picture, and if you have more evidence than what we have, I will change your total in five seconds, right away.
00:53:19
Rob
Yeah.
00:53:26
Nick Psomaras
There's nothing I...
00:53:27
Rob
Because it will stand up.
00:53:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
as long as you yeah As long as you can be back it up with evidence and you know it's time stamped, done.
00:53:32
Nick Psomaras
Listen, you can yell at us all you want.
00:53:32
RICK JAMES
Mm hmm.
00:53:33
Nick Psomaras
When we screw up a forecast, I get it. But when it comes to snow totals like that, we only go off of what we can see online.
00:53:40
Rob
Yeah.
00:53:40
Nick Psomaras
That's it. We're not sticking the ruler in there. So if you have evidence, I'll change your thing right away. I'll change the post on right away.
00:53:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:53:45
Rob
I mean, we were going to put Nick in a Cybertruck and have him drive all across America because maybe snow all winter, you know?
00:53:51
Nick Psomaras
and Just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:53:51
RICK JAMES
Yes.
00:53:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
A lot of rulers.
00:53:53
Rob
But we were, we were writing about his coffee cup of vodka and getting down.
00:53:54
Nick Psomaras
A lot of rulers.
00:53:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah ah
00:53:57
Rob
A lot of rollers.
00:53:58
Nick Psomaras
ah
00:53:59
Rob
Well, you know, Nick's tends to be a full of a lot of centimeters, so.
00:54:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:54:05
RICK JAMES
Take a chance.
00:54:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Rob, before I forget, you you mentioned something a couple minutes ago before we got on the weather spotters, which we could spend two hours on them.
00:54:06
Nick Psomaras
Next topic.
00:54:07
Rob
Next topic.
00:54:08
RICK JAMES
ah
00:54:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah You mentioned March.
00:54:16
Rob
Right.
00:54:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
um i've said I've said a bunch of times on the show, is there any truth to it?
00:54:18
Rob
Yeah.
00:54:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
I feel like the seasons, the winter especially, has shifted 30 to 45 days in my area, at least, where We used to be, December, we would have a couple of snowstorms.
00:54:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Even November, we were usually good for one. But now it seems like like last year, i don't I know last year for a fact, our first plow was January 8th.
00:54:39
RICK JAMES
Oh, here it is.
00:54:39
Rob
Yeah.
00:54:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
And I think the year before that, I think we had one in late December, but nothing else.
00:54:42
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:54:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
like Is it shifted 30 to 45 days in a lot of areas?
00:54:50
Rob
It definitely has. It definitely has.
00:54:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:54:52
Rob
And we call them, uh, here's another term guys. Shoulder season, shoulder season, shoulder seasons, your shoulders, you know.
00:54:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
All good. What was it? Shoulder season, all right.
00:54:59
RICK JAMES
Show this.
00:55:00
Rob
Yeah.
00:55:00
RICK JAMES
What the fuck?
00:55:01
Rob
So you tend to, yes, this is a more term by the way, by on Jeremy,
00:55:02
RICK JAMES
Show this.
00:55:05
Nick Psomaras
Just keep giving them ammunition, man. Just keep giving them ammunition.
00:55:07
RICK JAMES
what the hell we You guys need better terms shoulder
00:55:10
Nick Psomaras
Unbelievable.
00:55:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, it's so great.
00:55:13
Rob
Jeremy, you need you to change the website. This is their jobs with a glossary on the left of the new weather term.
00:55:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
it's It's just beautiful. This is gold.
00:55:21
Rob
and but it's it's Well, they they came up with that during the beach now.
00:55:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:55:25
Rob
If you go to the beaches, a lot of the East Coast, because of you mentioning, Steve, that you tend to have milder falls now. So people are going down to the beaches, the Jersey Shores, the Delaware Beach, Boston in the fall more.
00:55:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:55:38
Rob
So that's becoming a secondary season for the the the beach places. And then they would have another one later. in early March when it was getting warmer. Now what's happening with the snow is the same thing. Remember in Tom Kennedy, one of our good friends, canadian a lot of guys know him in the industry over in Jersey.
00:55:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, Jersey, yep.
00:55:54
Rob
ah he would His birthday was around December 5th, 6th, and he would always get a potential snow event in Jersey, a chance of it anyway.
Changing Snow Patterns and AI Innovation
00:56:02
Rob
And a lot of the past few years until recently, they were getting a little bit of snow, maybe a flurry, maybe an inch.
00:56:08
Rob
And that was that little fake first shoulder season was early December. And around the country, there was this weird thing going on. It's not like I probably don't remember it. And then there's now this March thing that you're talking about, Steve.
00:56:19
Rob
And in the middle, it's been less than average. note But these these marches have been coming back a little harder than they normally have been in the past. And there was a mid-March nor'easter in 2023, if you remember.
00:56:32
Rob
And that was the Adirondack.
00:56:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
We two of them. Yeah, we two of them.
00:56:34
Rob
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now, actually, the article here.
00:56:34
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
00:56:38
Rob
and That is true, Steve. They're pushing in that way, and and it could be a cycle of 30 years with the sun cycles. I mean, it's just not enough data, guys. People talk about data, and America really only goes back to about 150 years worth of record snow, temperatures.
00:56:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Okay.
00:56:55
Rob
Even the snow records are even less than that, because who the hell was measuring shit in 1820? You know, these guys barely survived it in the covered wagon.
00:57:02
Nick Psomaras
ah
00:57:03
Rob
measure
00:57:06
Rob
So, it's it's, you know, the the data is really where the problem is when people say it was the hottest ever, well, it was the hottest in recorded history of the U.S. weather, if you break that down, and we're three and a half billion years old to the planet, we've got 150 years worth of records. So, you know, there could have been a, you know, Jeremy, 55, 70-inch snowstorm in 1562 in Fargo.
00:57:28
Rob
Nobody but was in Fargo at the time, maybe some Indians, but same with the Hudson Valley.
00:57:30
RICK JAMES
Nope.
00:57:33
Rob
There have been records that are worse than this. We just had nobody around to record them. So some of this, when you hear these extremes sometimes, everybody gets wrapped up that it's the world's coming to an end and this and that.
00:57:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:57:37
Nick Psomaras
All right. Thank you.
00:57:43
Rob
We're never going to get snow again. Not true. There could have been five snowless winters in a row in 1216 in Poughkeepsie or Fishkill. We don't know. We don't know.
00:57:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:57:54
Rob
And that's what makes it interesting for us is that the data set gets bigger each year.
00:57:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
00:57:59
Rob
Just small, each year we get another piece of data because we've gone through another winter, another summer, and it gets things a little more ah easier to look at in the long-term. If that makes sense.
00:58:10
Rob
But you're right, Steve.
00:58:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, it does.
00:58:11
Rob
Later season.
00:58:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
It definitely, it definitely seems like we're, I think we got, honestly, I think we got one in April too, in the last five years. I think we got snow like the first week of April. not it you know It was like that little, it stuck to the pavement while it was dark out, but as soon as it was light, it was gone.
00:58:25
Rob
Yeah.
00:58:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
um But yeah, I really believe that it's shifted a lot in the last 10 years.
00:58:33
Rob
and It's it's true.
00:58:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
um
00:58:34
Rob
They've done studies that there's been some data looking at that. And I think I think this could be one of those years, like two years ago, I think there could be some stuff in March. And again, it's it's a long range of just looking statistically.
00:58:45
Rob
When I talk about this, we got to know we get a little closer.
00:58:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm hmm.
00:58:48
Rob
But good point, though. It's true, though, with the March stuff.
00:58:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
You guys, you guys want to tell us about this new that you mentioned that earlier with A.I., A.I. is getting involved and with everything.
00:59:01
Rob
Oh, yeah.
00:59:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
What is A.I. going to do for for you guys with weather?
00:59:04
RICK JAMES
Oh boy.
00:59:06
Rob
Well, you know for us, it it's experimental.
00:59:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh.
00:59:12
Rob
And that's the first word, because people can get access to this through some of the other weather ah data ah websites. And I'm sure a lot of guys are familiar with the weather bells and the Accu Weathers and the true inquisite tropical tidbits.
00:59:24
Rob
There's a lot of them, knick-knows and Accu Weathers.
00:59:25
RICK JAMES
Inaccurate weather
00:59:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:59:27
Nick Psomaras
in AccuWeather.
00:59:28
Rob
but
00:59:28
Nick Psomaras
There it is.
00:59:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
In Accu weather.
00:59:29
Rob
The euro is um it's it's very experimental. One of the things it doesn't have is it doesn't have snow maps. So we can't get snow maps. But what it does give us is where the temperatures are in the atmosphere and we can extrapolate that.
00:59:42
Rob
We can look at that and know that that green on the map, which looks like rain, it would be snow.
00:59:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
00:59:47
Rob
And one of the things that's happened in the last six months, Ryan Mal put an article out. a brilliant guy in the weather world of programming. Very good forecaster, but also he's he's been involved in a lot of sophistication with weather models and and so forth.
01:00:02
Rob
And he's saying that according to the data in the last six months, this Euro AI is slowly getting more and more accurate, 10% more than it was six months ago. And that's a pretty big leap in a model that's experimental.
01:00:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hm.
01:00:13
Rob
When we say European AI, for guys that don't know that, the European nation, they have their own weather service, just like we have our own, just like Canada has, the Canadian model. And you have an icon, which is a german ah in Germany, their weather model. So they each have their own big supercomputers that take all this world data. And they have different algorithms. And that's why each model varies to certain things. The shorter range models have more data. Lakes, rivers, the bigger range models have more locations, but are more of a broad-based kind of paintbrush scale.
01:00:44
Rob
Stuff and that's why the models very like that. They're called global local now. This European AI goes out. What is it out Nick about a little further than 1620 days it goes out about About Yeah, three and six, okay, so it's about 15 days
01:00:55
Nick Psomaras
So I thought it was 360 hours.
01:01:01
Rob
um it It's good. We watch it. I tell our guys, you know obviously, we're not going to make a forecast off it yet. But one of the things we have found, we even with the hurricanes, so a lot of stuff we do now is watch how they do with the hurricanes in the summer to see how they're trending for the winter.
01:01:20
Rob
It's all about, they're almost like they're almost like each one of these models is like a ball player. Who's hot, who's not. you know You get into the playoffs, which plays us as winter.
01:01:27
RICK JAMES
Mm. Yep.
01:01:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
sure
01:01:29
Rob
for every plow guy, the playoffs is winter. you You know, you get ready, you get ready during the fall.
01:01:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
And you guys say that a lot in your forecast.
01:01:33
Rob
and Yeah.
01:01:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
You say like, Hey, listen, the Euro's been dead on for the the first month and a half of the winter. So we're going to lean toward what the Euro's saying.
01:01:41
RICK JAMES
Mm hmm.
01:01:42
Nick Psomaras
right.
01:01:42
Rob
And it's it's really amazing that a couple of pieces of bad data of recording station that reports an incorrect data that isn't corrected, something that's missing and something else has to cover for that can change that whole model. And that happens on inputs. It's called input selection when they're when they're initializing. So kind of think it two times a day, most of the models will take a picture at 7 AM m Eastern. ah Jeremy, six for you out there.
01:02:08
Rob
um Jeremy, you're two yeah you're one hour back, that's right.
01:02:11
Nick Psomaras
One area.
01:02:11
Rob
um
01:02:11
RICK JAMES
Yep. Central. Yep. Yep.
01:02:14
Rob
So think of a polaroid or a camera taking a still of the whole globe. All the models do it at the same time at 7 a.m. Eastern, 6 Central, 5 Mountain, 4 Pacific, and they start there. It's called an initialization. So every supercomputer starts at the same time with the data. It analyzes it for the next few hours through the next two weeks, three weeks, as you see on the long range models, and it comes up with a scenario based on what happened at that moment.
01:02:41
Rob
The European model, this is really interesting if you want to understand models and in in layman's terms, the European model was the first to do this VAR-D, which just simply means instead of it being a polaroid or so or a still, you know, regular picture like on your phone, it's a video.
01:02:56
Rob
So what they do now is as the weather's coming in from now until that weather model pops out the forecast, it's changing data on the fly. So it's almost like you're coaching on the fly versus having to stick to your plan at halftime.
01:03:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
01:03:08
Rob
You're changing as the game's changing.
01:03:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay.
01:03:10
Rob
And that changed the industry a couple years back to be much better.
01:03:13
RICK JAMES
Mm hmm.
01:03:14
Rob
Now, we as the GFS in the year, in the American models, did not have that data, that did not have that technology. We do now. We finally got it. We spent $50 million dollars for it. The European ah weather service kept that very much in guard.
01:03:28
Rob
And we kind of cracked it ourselves and figured it out with our really good scientists in America and programmers.
01:03:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ha! Gotcha!
01:03:34
Rob
We got it.
01:03:35
RICK JAMES
Yeah, America, America.
01:03:37
Rob
and work but No more taxes. so anyway of what So now this European is taking this artificial intelligence, which if you're under a rock, if you don't know that's out there now with everything, you can see fake pictures, fake everything, chat, TBT, writing papers in college, these kids are doing now, anything. So it's taking this data using the European model, which is a fluid model. As I mentioned, it's kind of like a video. It's changing on the fly and it's looking at artificial intelligence.
01:04:10
Rob
and saying this is what may happen, just like the other weather models. One of the things we found, it's gotten 10% more accurate in the last six months. It is better at five to 10 days out than zero to five days.
01:04:23
Rob
And I think the reasoning is it's ah it's ah it's a broader look at things and it has a better handle.
01:04:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Really?
01:04:28
Rob
It is hard to do forecasting when you're in close in certain areas under the changeable conditions like your storm last year, Steve, with all the models all over the place. um So it's five to 10 days, but we're gonna focus all on and kind of have it in our side pocket.
01:04:42
Rob
When we give you the forecast with our service, if you're using our service, even if you're on a free trial, we may mention AI and say the Euro five to 10 days is really pressing this run after run storm.
01:04:45
Nick Psomaras
Thank you.
01:04:52
Rob
And because its accuracy is is now getting better than the other models, not as good as the short range, it's it's kind of like it's learning on the fly. It's kind of scary. It's kind of like the, you see the robot, yeah.
01:05:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's what it does. That's what the AI does. It learns.
01:05:05
Rob
Right. And so in years to come, this is going to be, you know, a household word for Plow guys that look at models, the NAM, the GFS, and most of you guys know the lingo of the name of the models, not exactly what they all do.
01:05:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:05:19
Rob
But this one will be a player. in mid-range first and then I think short-range later. I think the mid-range is going to make it its sort of claim to fame initially. And again, it's experimental. We're going to watch it closely.
01:05:30
Rob
Nick, me, Jared, our a group of meteorologists that we cover. And we're going to just see how it does this year. It will be interesting. I think it's its first full real winter to sort of get a look at it. So it'll be fun to watch at least, you know, we'll see how it does.
01:05:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
and Okay. Cool. Nick, I'm going to come to your house and I'm going to break that chair into a million pieces, man. That is the squeakiest chair I've ever heard.
01:05:49
Nick Psomaras
Wait, is it actually, really?
01:05:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh yeah.
01:05:53
Nick Psomaras
Oh my god, wait, you guys can hear it?
01:05:53
RICK JAMES
ah
01:05:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, hell yes.
01:05:55
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:05:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:05:57
Nick Psomaras
All right, well, I'll just sit still for the rest of the time we're talking.
01:05:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:06:00
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:01
Nick Psomaras
I couldn't hear it at all, obviously.
01:06:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Go on, Mr.
01:06:03
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Fidget.
01:06:05
Nick Psomaras
Damn.
01:06:05
RICK JAMES
ah
01:06:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
We can hear it.
01:06:06
Nick Psomaras
Well, we'll hear it in the podcast on Monday. I'll hear everything.
01:06:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely.
01:06:08
Rob
if you're
01:06:08
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'll try and edit it out as much as I can, but no, you're good.
01:06:11
Nick Psomaras
I could just mute myself for the rest of the time.
01:06:11
Rob
Next 23 years old and he's using a rocking chair already.
01:06:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
You're good. It's all good.
01:06:15
RICK JAMES
click
01:06:17
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, it's a rocking chair.
01:06:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:06:18
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:06:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
We've that's it.
01:06:19
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:06:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
The weather chair, the weather chair.
01:06:21
Rob
He claims it.
01:06:21
Nick Psomaras
Yep.
01:06:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. No, we've had, we've had barking dogs. We've had all sorts of things going on.
01:06:25
RICK JAMES
yeah ah
01:06:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
So that's it.
01:06:27
Nick Psomaras
Well, I apologize in advance when this thing comes out, and all I could hear is weep, weep, weep, weep.
01:06:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Squeaky chair is no big deal.
01:06:27
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:06:29
Rob
and
01:06:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, no worries.
01:06:31
RICK JAMES
That's all right.
01:06:32
Nick Psomaras
but
01:06:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
No worries.
01:06:32
Rob
Usually it's one of your kids in the background, Steve. Usually there's a kid running around in the background at your house.
01:06:36
RICK JAMES
All right, dog.
01:06:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh yeah. Yeah. You can hear them from time to time though or the dogs.
01:06:38
Rob
yeah
01:06:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Or the dogs go crazy.
01:06:41
Rob
right
01:06:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Somebody shows up at the house.
Commitment to Accurate Forecasting
01:06:44
Rob
But it's going to be an interesting winner, guys.
01:06:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh man.
01:06:45
Rob
I think you know we're learning more and more about your industry every year. And that that's why we love talking to you guys. And and we love talking with our customers when we can, obviously, in non-weather events to shoot the shit, I should say.
01:06:58
Rob
But to talk about weather, call us anytime if you're using our service, even if you're on a free trial. as i mentioned earlier uh that's what we're here for in the middle of night we take shifts we look at everything you can go right into our uh text box area and send us something on text or you can call us it's a hotline that we forward to each other and someone's got to stay up one night and then you know the next guy does it the next night we just really are on top of it in We just wanna make your life easier.
01:07:21
Rob
Honestly, that's what we're there for. Like I said, we're not gonna be right every minute, but if we can get stuff a little better for you and not have you stressing out moving your crews and seeing what we see and the knowledge we had as guys that, you know, all went to college for this stuff and, ah you know, it's not easy.
01:07:36
Rob
It's not easy. It's it's always fluid.
01:07:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, it's not.
01:07:38
Rob
It's always changing. And all we do is put our best book forward and say, guys, if we can make your life easier,
01:07:38
RICK JAMES
No.
01:07:43
Rob
And, you know, it's worth the value. Go for it or and and try us out. Like I said, I think the free trial is always the best thing. That's where we get most of our business, even more than the trades and the podcasts.
01:07:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely
01:07:54
Rob
Like I said, it was great last year. And that's why we came back on again this year. And you guys were harassing us. Come on back on.
01:08:00
RICK JAMES
and
01:08:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
I, you know, I did, I, I did the free trial whenever six, seven years ago, whenever it was that I first started with you guys.
01:08:00
Rob
give me without you
01:08:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
And that's what sold me. Like after like two days, I'm like, just the amount of information I'm getting from these daily texts is it's worth it.
01:08:11
Nick Psomaras
Mm hmm.
01:08:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, it was, and you guys were right. The first event out, thank God for you. You guys were, you nailed the first event and I'm like, all right, let's just keep it going.
01:08:20
Rob
Yeah yeah and and you know it's evolved obviously from then and it's it's fun for us honestly we like seeing all the plow companies from across the country and we are learning more and more each day these geographic areas we have a pretty good handle and you believe it or not guys is going to sound odd sometimes it is better to be away from certain areas because you don't get influenced by the local tv guys
01:08:22
RICK JAMES
Yep, yep.
01:08:43
Rob
Even as meteorologists, you watch them.
01:08:44
RICK JAMES
hu
01:08:45
Rob
They're meteorologists, too. And I know when I was on TV in Philly, I never watched my competition on TV till after I did my last one, my last newscast before the snow would start. And then I would watch them, because I was at Fox, so mine came on earlier.
01:08:58
Rob
And then I'd turn them on and say, I wonder what they're calling for, just to see what everybody has. But that happens in the weather world. You you tend to not want to look at those people, because then you go, wait a minute, am I not seeing something?
01:09:09
Rob
What are they seeing?
01:09:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:09:10
Rob
Or just seeing it?
01:09:10
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, it's it's actually it's weird.
01:09:11
RICK JAMES
Right.
01:09:12
Nick Psomaras
I mean, I'm 24 and I kind of just stopped watching the news. I don't look at all that stuff because I feel confident in myself to look at it on my own. And when I was, you know, 12, 13, 14 years old, I would just study the you know the six, six o'clock hour and have the you know Glenn Schwartz come on for NBC 10.
01:09:30
Nick Psomaras
And I'd be right about like right near the TV. It's like now You get old enough, it's like, dude, you can't be looking at those guys because sometimes they're just obviously obviously doing it for the ratings. And then you have the apps that are just they're all computerized and all that stuff.
01:09:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
What?
01:09:43
Rob
Well, guys.
01:09:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wait a minute.
01:09:45
Nick Psomaras
So.
01:09:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
You're telling me what I see on the news sometimes is not real? It's fake?
01:09:49
Rob
Oh.
01:09:49
Nick Psomaras
And.
01:09:49
RICK JAMES
Holy.
01:09:49
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, they strike out more than we do, I'll tell you that.
01:09:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Holy crap! but Knock me over with a feather.
01:09:52
Rob
Breaking news.
01:09:52
RICK JAMES
beaten ah sir Wow.
01:09:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Uh, horrible.
01:09:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Get to the grocery store! It's coming!
01:09:55
Rob
And it's.
01:09:57
RICK JAMES
That's not it.
01:09:58
Nick Psomaras
Get the milk and bread. ah
01:09:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's so bad.
01:10:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it.
01:10:00
Rob
I'm not saying all TV weather guys are bad, because I've got a lot of friends of these industry that are very good meteorologists.
01:10:01
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:04
Nick Psomaras
of course
01:10:06
Rob
But there is um there is some entertainment to that.
01:10:06
RICK JAMES
i am
01:10:09
Rob
There really is. I was in it. I'll be the first. and There is some pushing of viewership, because I will tell you, since I did TV full time, which I kind of got out of it around 2013, about 10 years ago,
01:10:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:10:20
Rob
um There is a tighter competition for the internet to get to weather, to go on the weather track.
01:10:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh yeah.
01:10:26
Rob
You didn't have all that 20 years ago. It was just a couple of stations and it was the TV guy was everything.
01:10:28
Nick Psomaras
Of course.
01:10:30
RICK JAMES
I am.
01:10:32
Rob
Now TV share is getting smaller and smaller because people are going, I don't want to wait till six o'clock. I'm just going to pull up my my weather models or I'm going to pull up one of the weather services or or one of the media social media things.
01:10:43
Rob
So, you know, you've got to grab and the bigger the market, the bigger the city size, a tenth of a point means thousands, tens of thousands of dollars so for a TV station and advertising, 100,000, you know, because you've got bigger viewership.
01:10:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:10:56
Rob
So it is a different animal. Like I said, I don't want to you know put a bashing on the TV guys because I have a lot in it and I was in it. But there is a little bit difference than using a weather service because if we keep hyping stuff, you ain't coming back next year.
01:11:09
Rob
You're not going to buy the service.
01:11:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nope.
01:11:10
RICK JAMES
right
01:11:10
Rob
I can get that, you know whatever.
01:11:11
RICK JAMES
right
01:11:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
100%.
01:11:12
Rob
So you know we want to just give it to you straight up and say, it doesn't look good. Or you know what? You're going to have to go back out again with a refreeze.
Humor and Camaraderie in Winter Services
01:11:20
Rob
Who talks about refreezes on TV?
01:11:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that's a big.
01:11:23
RICK JAMES
Yeah,
01:11:23
Rob
oh And we're seeing that more with with the clients
01:11:23
RICK JAMES
huge.
01:11:27
Rob
in the contract. So obviously, you know, Steve and Jeremy, you know, the the contracts aren't sometimes written by them more than you as in your, your client. And the refreezes are there quite a bit.
01:11:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sometimes.
01:11:38
Rob
We have sometimes we have some wind ones too in the Midwest. If it wind the next day, blows the snow back over and they have to come back out some of them.
01:11:44
RICK JAMES
Oh, no, it's constant.
01:11:46
Rob
I didn't see it much. I haven't heard it much.
01:11:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh God, here we go with the wind.
01:11:49
Rob
Yeah, especially in the plains. Well, he's he's up there.
01:11:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Here we go.
01:11:52
Rob
hes Jeremy's full a lot of wind up there.
01:11:54
RICK JAMES
It's a little windy.
01:11:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
A little windy.
01:11:55
RICK JAMES
It's a little windy up here. It's it's never not windy.
01:11:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Here we go.
01:12:00
Rob
right
01:12:00
RICK JAMES
It's it's all what Steve, what what you guys don't.
01:12:01
Rob
All right.
01:12:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
no it's
01:12:02
Rob
oh
01:12:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's always windy and Fargo. Always windy and Fargo.
01:12:06
RICK JAMES
You don't. Nobody understands the wind up here.
01:12:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Do you have turbines?
01:12:09
RICK JAMES
Nobody understands. So you get here.
01:12:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Do they have wind turbines out there?
01:12:12
RICK JAMES
Yeah, we do.
01:12:12
Rob
ah but you know They're all over the place out there.
01:12:13
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, they do.
01:12:14
Nick Psomaras
All in the Midwest here.
01:12:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
01:12:14
RICK JAMES
Yup.
01:12:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, good.
01:12:16
RICK JAMES
Yup.
01:12:16
Rob
They're amazing.
01:12:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
For as much wind as you get, better have turbines.
01:12:19
Rob
All right.
01:12:19
RICK JAMES
Yup. Ask Doyle.
01:12:21
Rob
Give me it.
01:12:21
RICK JAMES
He saw it first term.
01:12:21
Rob
Give me it, guys, real quick.
01:12:21
Nick Psomaras
You guys always, you guys always go back and forth at who has the harder job during the winter. It's so funny. It's so funny.
01:12:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, that's why we work.
01:12:29
RICK JAMES
ahs
01:12:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, that's why we work.
01:12:30
Nick Psomaras
It's, it so it's, it's like I plow the eight inches of ah slush in concrete.
01:12:32
RICK JAMES
ah
01:12:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Why do you think, why do you think this, this whole show started? Cause guys in hidden Jeremy's, uh, that worked for Jeremy loved hearing us go back and forth at each other.
01:12:43
RICK JAMES
argue.
01:12:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
So it's, Oh yeah.
01:12:43
Rob
oh is that right yeah that's good
01:12:44
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:45
Rob
ah see
01:12:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:12:46
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:12:46
Rob
and they kind of
01:12:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
We used to do it on the glacier party call. Uh, they'd put me on it and I'd come on. We just started talking and you know, you're trying to help them pass the time, trying to make them laugh and shit. So you, you know, you bust balls and go back and forth and.
01:12:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Give them a little New York information, which they loved out there. And then, uh, yeah, before I know it, somebody was like, Oh,
01:13:02
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:13:03
Nick Psomaras
am i Am I still in that video chat, Jeremy? Because you can take me out.
01:13:06
RICK JAMES
and yeah
01:13:07
Nick Psomaras
I don't need to be on it.
01:13:07
RICK JAMES
yeah yeah no and no you're hearing it you'll be you you'll be getting the call so you're in so yeah like that phone will be going off if yeah yeah
01:13:08
Nick Psomaras
Ah, there we go.
01:13:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
you're in. Once you're in, you're in.
01:13:10
Rob
Oh, is that right? Yeah, that's good. Yeah.
01:13:12
Nick Psomaras
It's going to be like I'm plowing with you guys.
01:13:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah Last year, it never went off.
01:13:17
Rob
Right.
01:13:18
Nick Psomaras
ah I know.
01:13:18
Rob
yeah Yeah.
01:13:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
It was a depressing winter. The glacier plow chat never that, that ring never came.
01:13:26
Rob
Yeah, it'll be a different.
01:13:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
The year before though, the year before every two to three days. but Well, actually it was more frequent than that because they were getting snow like twice a week sometimes and they're hauling the other night.
01:13:30
Nick Psomaras
It's bumping.
01:13:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
So it was like six, seven nights a week that phones, the calls coming in, glacier chats on.
01:13:39
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:13:41
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:13:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, holy shit.
01:13:46
Rob
Yeah.
01:13:46
Nick Psomaras
Right.
01:13:46
RICK JAMES
Yep. A lot of knowledge in there.
01:13:48
Rob
That's funny. I did not know how that started.
01:13:48
RICK JAMES
A lot of knowledge.
01:13:50
Rob
It's always fun to watch how stuff starts, you know, with that.
01:13:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's a lot of fun.
01:13:53
Rob
Yeah.
01:13:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
If you can't have fun with plowing industry or snow industry, guys, you know, it's on you because it we have a lot of fun.
01:13:54
Rob
Yeah.
01:13:54
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:13:57
Rob
yeah
01:14:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
I mean, look at you guys. You guys are honorary snow guys now. We have tons of fun with you guys.
01:14:04
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:06
Rob
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was good seeing you guys, too.
01:14:07
Nick Psomaras
Well, I'm sure you guys know the Glacier the glacier Boys, they ah they were sending me job requests, their job interviews last year.
01:14:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
You blew it.
01:14:14
Nick Psomaras
when i'
01:14:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
You blew it for him.
01:14:15
Nick Psomaras
When I blew it, when I blew it, I got ah what I get.
01:14:16
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:14:16
Rob
Oh.
01:14:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah ah
01:14:18
RICK JAMES
well yeah
01:14:18
Nick Psomaras
i got I got seven texts. It was Whole Foods. Yes. Work at the DMV.
01:14:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
they are They are hardcore.
01:14:25
Nick Psomaras
And you know what? A couple of them, I was like, you know what? You know what? It's not a lot of work during the summer. So I might as well just pick that up and get some extra money.
01:14:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go. they Listen, they are hardcore.
01:14:35
RICK JAMES
it here
01:14:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
they will They will tell you when you mess up, that's for sure.
01:14:38
RICK JAMES
oh
01:14:39
Nick Psomaras
No, they were great. They were great.
01:14:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're funny dudes.
01:14:41
Nick Psomaras
Love it.
01:14:41
Rob
Video of the year.
01:14:41
RICK JAMES
nick
01:14:43
Rob
Ready?
01:14:43
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:14:43
Nick Psomaras
It was so fun.
01:14:43
Rob
Video of the year. Nick operating a sectional in Fargo. How about that?
01:14:47
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, yeah.
01:14:48
RICK JAMES
Hell yeah.
01:14:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ooh, fly them out there.
01:14:48
RICK JAMES
Get out of here, Nick.
01:14:49
Nick Psomaras
I'll be out there.
01:14:49
RICK JAMES
Yep. I'll throw you in.
01:14:50
Rob
Yeah.
01:14:50
RICK JAMES
Let's go.
01:14:51
Nick Psomaras
I'll be out there.
01:14:51
Rob
Yeah.
01:14:52
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:14:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
get out there for when storm chases in Fargo filming and you can, uh, you can do kill two birds in one stone.
01:14:52
Rob
That would be a good video.
01:14:54
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:14:55
Rob
Oh, great.
01:14:56
Nick Psomaras
That's right. You guys got your, you got your documentary coming up this year. That's awesome.
01:15:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's, uh, yeah, they're, they're ready.
01:15:00
Rob
Yeah.
01:15:01
RICK JAMES
Yep.
01:15:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're getting it, getting it ready now, getting the planning together and we'll see how it goes. Hopefully it's a great winner and we get everybody filmed that we need to get filmed, but should be fun.
01:15:11
Nick Psomaras
That's good stuff, guys.
01:15:11
Rob
Right. the It'll be like this.
01:15:12
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:15:12
Nick Psomaras
That's awesome.
01:15:14
Rob
Episode 16, Nick wrecks a section in less than 30 seconds.
01:15:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Ah, he wouldn't be the first.
01:15:20
RICK JAMES
Nope, nope, nope.
01:15:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
He wouldn't be the first. ah I don't know what happened.
01:15:23
Rob
but what is my birthday so I thought I was a lot closer.
01:15:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
I didn't hit anything.
01:15:25
RICK JAMES
It was like was late that when I got here.
01:15:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's all you gotta say, Nick. Yeah, that's all you gotta to say, Nick.
01:15:29
RICK JAMES
It wasn't like that when I got
01:15:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, it was like that.
01:15:31
Nick Psomaras
Yep, sorry.
01:15:34
Rob
It was in less centimeters than I thought.
01:15:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
no Yeah, that's it.
01:15:37
Nick Psomaras
I couldn't i couldn see. I couldn't see. It was a white out. Sorry.
01:15:42
Rob
The wind, it was the wind.
01:15:43
Nick Psomaras
There's the wind. There's the wind. Come on.
01:15:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
01:15:45
Nick Psomaras
Of course.
01:15:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Anything else?
01:15:46
Rob
It's like a sign fed up with one wind.
01:15:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Anything else that we didn't cover? You guys want to cover?
01:15:50
Rob
Yeah, I mean, you know to wrap it up with it, one of the cool things we do, too, is the salt versus plow. We know guys like to burn the salt at two inches or less.
01:15:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:15:59
Rob
It's kind of the point. We kind of mention that and give you a percentage as sort of a guide with our stuff. And then the grass versus the paved is a new thing, too, where we can look at different scenarios,
01:16:10
Rob
it's kind we we use it in some of the models and Nick it's called a positive snow depth change and it's like it looks at other factors and really gives you what could possibly happen and we have access to that so we know especially early in late season most of the time the blacktop's wet and the grass has got some snow on it and depending on where you are.
01:16:21
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:16:28
Nick Psomaras
It's, it's, it's one of my favorite features on the models, because like you said, the early season and late season storms, you see like, you know, eight to 12 inches in, you know, central Illinois.
01:16:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:16:39
Nick Psomaras
But then when you go to that positive snow depth that actually calculates the ratios for you, the ground temperatures, then you see it and you're like, Alright, so that 8 to 12 turned into a 2 to 4 inch snow event Which makes a lot more sense given the time of the year and then you can base that off of your next Forecast where you don't have to go 8 to 12 because that's you know fake news the 2 to 4 makes a lot more sense and it you know it takes away from all the hype that a lot of these guys are seeing because The maps that are posted like we talked about earlier with the social media.
01:16:53
RICK JAMES
Mm hmm.
01:17:08
Nick Psomaras
They're gonna put the 10 to 1 ratios they're gonna put the 15 to 1 ratios the hot and the high ones to get clicks. But for us, we're going to trim it down a little bit.
01:17:15
Rob
Yeah.
01:17:16
Nick Psomaras
We're going to be like, all right, let's let's take this at a more realistic feature. ah The positive snow depth change two to four seems a lot more realistic for you guys. So it's a great feature.
01:17:25
Rob
Yeah.
01:17:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Love it.
01:17:26
Nick Psomaras
I'm glad they ah they put that algorithm into the the models for us.
01:17:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Love it.
01:17:30
Rob
it's
01:17:30
RICK JAMES
That's cool.
01:17:31
RICK JAMES
I like it.
01:17:31
Rob
And remember, these these guys, they just look at that one map and they see all those pretty colors the pinks and the blues and the snow depths, and then they just post it right on social media and realize that is not the realistic scenario in November and December because
01:17:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
01:17:46
Rob
model The models don't know without some of these other algorithms what time of year it is. That map would work well in the middle of January in a nice cold Arctic outbreak.
01:17:54
Nick Psomaras
Right.
01:17:55
Rob
That would be a correct map, but not November, December. And that's where that difference is in the social media, as you talk about. They just grabbed that map that looks the biggest and they post it. Yeah, that's the perfect scenario in January.
01:18:06
Rob
They don't know that. ah Some of these amateurs don't know that.
01:18:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:18:08
Rob
So that's what we're there for as a weather company. Again, and we're just here to make your life easier. you know If it's in your budget, great. And we'll try to try to get you ahead of the storm and make some money this winter.
01:18:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah That's awesome.
01:18:21
RICK JAMES
Yeah, great.
01:18:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, we appreciate it. Guys got anything else?
01:18:24
RICK JAMES
Yeah, no, I.
01:18:26
Nick Psomaras
That's it from us, I believe.
01:18:26
Rob
now We're getting on an hour and a half here.
01:18:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, that was great.
01:18:30
RICK JAMES
I, I think.
01:18:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
We had a lot of fun. Go ahead, Jay.
01:18:33
RICK JAMES
No, I was just going to say, I think guys out there that want to give these guys, ah like they said, just give it a free demo, like a lot of guys did last year. And, uh, uh, I'm guessing you're going to like it and, uh, sign up with them.
01:18:40
Rob
you
01:18:44
RICK JAMES
If you don't, you don't buy it.
01:18:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
A lot of guys, a lot of guys texted last year that they did the demo, loved it and stayed on. So that, you know, that was great.
01:18:49
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:18:49
Rob
yeah Yeah, and it's not for everybody.
01:18:50
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:18:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, it's a good.
01:18:51
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:18:52
Rob
Some guys don't see it, and we understand that. You know, it's something new, and you just get a feel of it. And and if you sign up now or in the next few weeks, we again, it's to that first salt or plow event. As soon as that's done, we'll get back to you a day or two later, because we know you're cleaning up the properties.
01:19:06
Rob
And we'll say, hey, listen, did you like it? Do you want to continue with it? Some guys go a couple of weeks. Some guys go up to a month. It just depends on when you get that first event that we feel triggers you know the end of the trial.
01:19:17
Rob
You've got to sample everything.
01:19:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:19:19
Rob
You've got to see the accuracy. You've got to see the maps a couple of days before the storm. We start sending you maps right to your phone. It's local to your area. And if you're in a bigger area, as we mentioned, we'll send you an email with a larger regional map.
01:19:30
Rob
But it'll have your totals on there. And we can put your towns on the map, too. So we can pretty much do an in-house graphics system. So we can do whatever you need. tailor it in
01:19:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
It is true. You did a map just for me because I said the maps that you had ah ah originally were not indicative of me.
01:19:39
Rob
Oh, we have a Lord. Yeah.
01:19:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
So make me a different map that just shows the mid Hudson because, uh, I think the first one ended just south of us and the other one picked up in Poughkeepsie.
01:19:49
Rob
Mm-hmm.
01:19:49
Nick Psomaras
Right, right.
01:19:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm like, well, you're missing the most snow area and you guys actually did a whole nother map for us.
01:19:55
Nick Psomaras
Yeah.
01:20:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
So we appreciate that.
01:20:00
Rob
Yeah, it's that I-84 area of big fish.
01:20:01
Nick Psomaras
Absolutely.
01:20:01
RICK JAMES
Velarde special.
01:20:03
Rob
And yeah, the Velary special.
01:20:03
Nick Psomaras
The Velary special called the Velary special.
01:20:03
RICK JAMES
Velarde special.
01:20:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, you don't. If I'm not mistaken, you have a lot of customers right around me.
01:20:06
Rob
That's in color.
01:20:10
Rob
Yeah, we do.
01:20:11
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, Newberg, Poughkeepsie, Kingston, yeah, right in there, yep.
01:20:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
I, yeah, I mean Hudson Valley.
01:20:11
Rob
We do, actually.
01:20:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. So it works for everybody, but I'll put my name on it.
01:20:16
Rob
Yeah.
01:20:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's fine. That's fine.
01:20:18
Nick Psomaras
Yeah, we'll we'll pat we' patent it.
01:20:18
Rob
The whole art is special, the VS.
01:20:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
Squeaky wheel gets the most grace.
01:20:20
RICK JAMES
Farm is on there now.
01:20:21
Nick Psomaras
ah that
01:20:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go.
01:20:24
RICK JAMES
I mean that's because of me.
01:20:25
Rob
Yeah, the car goes on there, too.
01:20:25
Nick Psomaras
That's what I'm saying.
01:20:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, I mean, why, why wouldn't you give Jeremy?
01:20:27
Rob
We'll see. That's what we do.
01:20:28
Nick Psomaras
I might just put Rick James. Let's just do Rick James instead.
01:20:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
like Exactly.
01:20:31
RICK JAMES
Put Rick James on there. Rick James' town.
01:20:32
Nick Psomaras
There it is.
01:20:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly.
01:20:33
RICK JAMES
ah yeah Yeah, buddy.
01:20:33
Nick Psomaras
no Yeah, there it is.
01:20:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah but
01:20:42
RICK JAMES
People know.
01:20:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man.
01:20:43
Nick Psomaras
There it is.
01:20:43
RICK JAMES
ye Yeah.
01:20:44
Rob
The Velarde special, the mid Hudson County map.
01:20:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, there you go.
01:20:48
Nick Psomaras
I love it, man.
01:20:48
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:20:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
You can put my name on it. That works that way. I'll take credit for it.
01:20:50
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:20:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's fine.
01:20:52
Rob
Yeah.
01:20:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's ah I like it.
01:20:53
Nick Psomaras
How many calls this year, Steve?
01:20:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
I like it. all I don't know, dude.
01:20:54
Nick Psomaras
How many calls this year? What are we doing?
01:20:57
Rob
Yeah.
01:20:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
It depends on the winner, man.
01:20:57
Rob
and What's the other under in the office?
01:20:58
RICK JAMES
82.
01:20:59
Nick Psomaras
All right.
01:20:59
RICK JAMES
82.
01:21:00
Rob
Nick.
01:21:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Eighty two.
01:21:01
Rob
So we haven't.
01:21:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
What were we at last year? Sixty five.
01:21:02
Nick Psomaras
63.
01:21:04
Rob
Yeah.
01:21:04
Nick Psomaras
So the over-under this year is going to be set at 68 and a half. That's what we're going to do.
01:21:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
It'll be under.
01:21:08
RICK JAMES
He just doesn't care anymore
01:21:08
Rob
Yeah.
01:21:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
It'll be under.
01:21:10
Nick Psomaras
Under. All right. ah
01:21:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, it'll be under.
01:21:11
Rob
yeah You know, there's this website.
01:21:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
He'll be under.
01:21:13
Rob
I bet on anything now.
01:21:14
Nick Psomaras
and Yeah, there's going to be a lot of missed calls, huh?
01:21:15
Rob
You could have been on the. Yes.
01:21:17
RICK JAMES
how yeah
01:21:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'll call the hotline. I'll call the, who, who am I going to get on the hotline?
01:21:21
Rob
Yes.
01:21:23
Nick Psomaras
You might i get Jared.
01:21:23
Rob
Well, it just.
01:21:24
Nick Psomaras
You might get Rob. You might get me, which would be weird.
01:21:26
Rob
Oh.
01:21:26
Nick Psomaras
If you don't call my personal cell, you still might call the hotline and I'll be on it, which is the work the worst case scenario.
01:21:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
All I know, all I know is I said, what hotline number do I call? And Rob gave me a phone number that happened to be yourself and said, that's the hotline call that.
01:21:39
Rob
Right.
01:21:40
Nick Psomaras
It's the biggest lie ever told.
01:21:41
Rob
so god
01:21:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
01:21:42
Rob
My, my son started with me last week.
01:21:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:21:46
Rob
He's now at our company. He just graduated college and we're going to be doing some marketing and customer service. He'll be following up with clients, especially after storm. See how we did.
01:21:54
Nick Psomaras
That's it.
01:21:54
Rob
And he said to me the first day, he said, dad, how do I answer the phone?
01:21:54
Nick Psomaras
Call Rob's son.
01:21:58
Rob
The first day I said, hi, this is weather praise. How can we help you unless your name's Steve already? That's, that's
01:22:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go.
01:22:03
RICK JAMES
i
01:22:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
There you go.
01:22:04
RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah.
01:22:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
You don't want that call.
01:22:06
Rob
right.
01:22:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
You don't want that call.
01:22:09
Rob
He said, who's the state polarity guy?
01:22:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Oh That's fun.
01:22:11
Rob
Oh, you'll get to meet him. I'll send you up there. He's in Syracuse. So yeah, no, it's, uh,
01:22:14
Nick Psomaras
That's awesome, man.
01:22:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's a dude.
01:22:15
RICK JAMES
ah so
01:22:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
I have a, I have a good time and I said, listen, that's how I gauge the company. And Nick, Nick did what he said he was going to do. He answered the phone last year every time.
01:22:23
RICK JAMES
Oh yeah, he's settled all along with him.
01:22:25
Nick Psomaras
It was a one year thing.
01:22:25
Rob
yeah
01:22:26
Nick Psomaras
It was a one year thing.
01:22:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
One year thing just to make sure the hotline working again.
01:22:28
RICK JAMES
Nah, he's...
01:22:29
Nick Psomaras
The contract's up.
01:22:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
But, uh,
01:22:31
Rob
Nick. Yep. Contract's up.
01:22:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great. All right, boys.
01:22:36
Rob
One hit one day.
01:22:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
Anything else? Final thoughts at all or we good?
01:22:38
Rob
Hey everybody have a great winter profitable and safe be safe out there and we want everybody to do well
Conclusion and Winter Wishes
01:22:44
Rob
And we're there to help you. That's all we say enjoy it man. Enjoy the ride Yeah, thank you so much
01:22:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
and Absolutely.
01:22:48
RICK JAMES
Yeah, and you guys yeah they're you thank you guys.
01:22:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
We love having you guys.
01:22:48
Nick Psomaras
Really appreciate you guys having us on, by the way. Thank you.
01:22:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
no No problem. Anytime we have a lot of fun with you guys. It's a, it's always great to see. It's always great to to do our normal back and forth. ah We have a lot of fun with it too. So this was a, this was a blast.
01:23:02
Rob
Yeah, and good luck, guys, to you as well for your businesses this winter. I know it's going to be an interesting one, different than last year. So best of luck.
01:23:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.
01:23:10
Rob
Got it.
01:23:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Anything else, Jay?
01:23:12
RICK JAMES
good.
01:23:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh.
01:23:14
RICK JAMES
It's all right.
01:23:19
RICK JAMES
You just wanted to use that one.
01:23:19
Nick Psomaras
I love that.
01:23:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
not Jeremy's good. Jeremy's good.
01:23:22
RICK JAMES
I'm good.
01:23:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're good.
01:23:23
RICK JAMES
I'm ready for this winter.
01:23:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're good.
01:23:24
RICK JAMES
We're ready. we're Nick says we're going, so let's go.
01:23:26
Rob
I feel like.
01:23:26
Nick Psomaras
Jeremy Jeremy's like my ah Jeremy's my assistant coach for baseball in high school where he's just like the head coach talks that they asked the assistant coach what do you think and he's just like, yeah, you guys fucking suck.
01:23:37
Nick Psomaras
That's it.
01:23:37
RICK JAMES
Yep. You got it.
01:23:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah He's like the guy on America. What was it?
01:23:41
RICK JAMES
Hey.
01:23:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
American pie with a guy standing behind the coach culmination. He just keeps talking.
01:23:44
RICK JAMES
Hey.
01:23:45
Nick Psomaras
from an age
01:23:45
Rob
Yeah.
01:23:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
He's repeating one word of the speech.
01:23:48
RICK JAMES
Hey.
01:23:48
Nick Psomaras
That is so great man.
01:23:49
RICK JAMES
By the way, I just frickin' called it as I see it. I just called it as I see it.
01:23:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's it, buddy.
01:23:52
Nick Psomaras
That's all you do. That's how it should be.
01:23:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
That is it. Jeremy will give it to you straight every day. Oh, man.
01:23:57
RICK JAMES
you know
01:23:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, guys. Well, listen, thanks so much for coming out with us. We love having you guys. It's always a blast talking to you. It's a lot of laughs. And I think we'll wrap it there. And that's going to do it for this ah weather winter winter weather, actually winter weather outlook from the weather pros.
01:24:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
We want to thank Rob and Nick for coming out with us again, you know, giving us the time. That was it was great hour and 24 minutes of weather. ah They gave you a lot of information out there.
01:24:20
RICK JAMES
Love it.
01:24:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
Make sure you sign up for their free trial if you're not already a customer It's definitely worth giving it a shot and see if it works for you. All right We have a lot of fun with these guys, you know, back and forth, breaking balls with them.
01:24:30
Rob
guys
01:24:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
But like these guys are are professionals in every sense of the word. And they just allow us to have a lot of fun with them. But they know what they're doing. I've been eight years now, seven, eight years.
01:24:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
I don't i don't even know. It's been it's been a long time since they almost since they started. And they've done great for me. So I can't complain. But yeah, good luck to you guys this winter with your predictions.
01:24:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah You know, you better get it right.
01:24:57
Rob
better
01:24:58
Nick Psomaras
And.
01:24:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're looking forward to all the new weather terms.
01:25:00
RICK JAMES
yeah Oh yeah.
01:25:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
We're undoubtedly going to hear, but that's the luck to you guys going forward.
01:25:03
RICK JAMES
no
01:25:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
And if we can do anything to help you out, give us a call and that's it.
01:25:09
Rob
Appreciate it. I'm sure we'll run through.
01:25:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. So we'll, ah we'll keep checking the hotline as usual. And that's it gang. All right. We're going to see everybody next Monday.
01:25:17
RICK JAMES
the couple Calls Calls are coming, I said.
01:25:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
What's that? Jay calls are coming, baby calls are coming.
01:25:22
RICK JAMES
Calls are coming.
01:25:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
So we're going to see everybody.
01:25:24
Nick Psomaras
Do not disturb is on. ah yeah
01:25:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
I can see when he has his notifications on silent.
01:25:29
Rob
He does it to me all the time.
01:25:31
Nick Psomaras
Oh, I know I gotta get some sleep.
01:25:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:25:33
Nick Psomaras
but
01:25:33
Rob
He does it to me all the time.
01:25:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah for We're going to see everybody next Monday. Everybody have a great week. Be safe. All right. Keep pushing.