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Ep. 17: No more smoke signals
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Join Curt and Jamie as they discuss their week, including topics such as using goto in G-Code, shipping around the world, and pimping the printer.
Links Discussed:
- Heat link https://spaco.org/Blacksmithing/ZVSInductionHeater/1000WattZVSInductionHeaterNotes.htm
- Swiss nano https://www.apsx.com/apsx-nano-cnc-swiss-lathe?srsltid=AfmBOopMUdb8xytu4lM8BRycoDB3gXAW8094utxcjqGMfRiGVeAwMciP
- Titan link https://tenor.com/en-ZA/view/titans-of-cnc-boom-cnc-machining-cnc-kung-fu-gif-16473568
The Lone Machinist:
- Website: https://thelonemachinists.com/
- Merch: https://www.jspeceng.com/online-store
- Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheLoneMachinists
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Transcript
Introduction to the Lone Machinist Podcast
00:00:08
Speaker
Welcome to the Lone Machinist podcast, a podcast where it's just you, your tools, and the work. No team, no backup. I'm Jamie from JSpec Engineering, and every episode we're tackling the highs and lows of flying solo in the machining world.
00:00:21
Speaker
And I'm Kurt from Confound a Machine, here to chat about everything it takes to make it as a one-man show in the shop. From grinding and turning to the struggles of running a one-person operation, we're sharing the stories, the tricks, and the challenges that come with going it alone.
00:00:33
Speaker
If you're out there in the shop grinding away by yourself or just thinking about taking a solo plunge, this show's for you. So throw in your ear protection and let's talk about life behind the machine.
00:00:47
Speaker
How's Kurt? How was your Easter weekend? ah it's doing ah It's doing pretty good. How's your Easter weekend been thus far? Over, I guess.
Holiday Reflections and Personal Updates
00:00:55
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Well, I lay on the couch all of Sunday and slept.
00:00:58
Speaker
been a bit sick so yeah i was very tired i'm not gonna force myself to work and then crash things i'm just gonna take a day off so i was feeling sick on friday uh and saturday and we went out to the family on saturday and then sunday i was just like you know what i'm not interested i'm gonna just sit on the couch watch the rookie and sleep so yeah danik has also been a bit sick so we've been both out of commission today i was back at it but not at full capacity oh bummer yeah but uh It is what it is.
00:01:29
Speaker
happens. So, yeah, I'm feeling better now. And hopefully we'll be back at full capacity tomorrow because I've got to run Anodize still and whole bunch of other stuff. What's been going on your side? Uh, yeah, just kind of had the little holiday weekend when I went out to my sister's and a nice big barbecue had a Easter egg hunt for little ones. So that's the time. And yeah, just got a bunch of stuff done, had all the pens ready for the sale. So that's kind of all automated. So I could kind of just relax and don't know that's enjoyable to not have to think about that stuff. And then nothing moves on a holiday anyway, so I don't even feel pressured to like get things in the mail. So yeah, it's, it's pleasant. I like it like that. I like setting it up like that.
00:02:07
Speaker
Nice. Yeah. Did you guys have a four day weekend as well? yeah Yeah, we have the Friday off here and then we have today off as well. so Yeah, we've got we've got a public holiday next week. I think we've got four days this week and then we've got four days next week or three days next week.
00:02:23
Speaker
It's flipping stupid in this place.
Public Holidays and Business Impacts
00:02:25
Speaker
Sorry, we'll look at the calendar quickly. So we've got the Sunday the 27th, so the 28th will be a public holiday and so will the Thursday of that week.
00:02:37
Speaker
Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, because Workers' Day is on the 1st of May because we lack all the holidays in the world. yeah Yeah, we have May long, so our first week of May is long. think it is anyways. I don't know.
00:02:51
Speaker
yeah Our first day of of May is a public holiday. not Not the biggest fan of all the public holidays, but it is what it is, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Well, like you were saying, it's kind of funny having two different two different positions when you're self-employed or when you're employed by somebody else. They they both feel differently. one of them you're like, oh, nothing's open today.
00:03:08
Speaker
Crap. And the other one is like, yay, don't have to do anything today. Yay. It's just like two different things. No, definitely. Like, it's yeah it's interesting. now I'm trying to squeeze outside vendor processes in in between all these public holidays because they are going to affect lead times. I'm hoping to get a call tomorrow or Wednesday to say that my anodizing is done.
00:03:28
Speaker
It's the last outside vendor thing. Well, second to last outside vendor thing i'm waiting for. I'm waiting for O-rings and ball bearings still, but that should be this week as well.
00:03:39
Speaker
Nice. Well, that's a decent turtle because you just sent it in last week for Anodize? Yeah. Sent it in on Wednesday. So yeah, they said at least five days. So I'm hoping early this week I'll get it back.
00:03:52
Speaker
But it really doesn't make it up as long as I get it back this week, I don't really care. Yeah. There's two of the two of the six components already for assembly. I'm still waiting on O-rings and balls.
00:04:05
Speaker
I still need to modify the finish making the pins, and I need to grind the pads. So we're getting there. It's just, yeah, I'm not exactly the rush to that. I'd say, yeah you got about a good ah good a good solid week until you kind of have your self-imposed deadline
Project Updates and Challenges
00:04:20
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there. Yeah.
00:04:21
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That's it. ah Tomorrow I need to climb on the aluminium guys and order blank pallets because I haven't ordered material for blank pallets yet because I was trying to get an idea of how many I need to make. I obviously don't want make a hundred of the things and then have them sit.
00:04:34
Speaker
I mean, I'll use them, but I don't want to tie up that cash if I don't need to. and um Yeah, no doubt. But I also found a, through an Instagram ad of all places, ah a local company that does international shipping.
00:04:48
Speaker
That is what they specialize ah small business shipping. So I got pricing. It's like less than half the price of DHL. Shipping with FedEx. So look five to six days delivery around the world and they handle all the customs crap that I don't have to.
00:05:05
Speaker
Oh, that's awesome. yeah Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, that's a great find. Yeah, no, like a total, total fluke find. Like got an advert for them on Instagram and looked into them and yeah, looks...
00:05:20
Speaker
Am I spelling it wrong now? I just want to see what they called the thing. um
00:05:27
Speaker
Shipping. No, sorry. I'm doing the podcast thing where Google stuff on the on the podcast. Hang on, I sent Danica the name of it.
00:05:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Okay, it's not called funnel. It's called tunnel. That would explain why i can't find it. I want to see there's a this specific thing that they referenced regarding the Americans.
00:05:50
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um Because obviously there's been updates regarding that from our side and tariffs and all that. They've got a whole thing that literally upfront will tell you what what to expect there.
00:06:02
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um Yeah, I don't know where, I think it was an Instagram post. Anyway, okay. But the gist of it is if your order is under $800, it's exempt of tariffs. So it's literally cheaper if someone buys four anchor points to ship them four anchor points and they pay for shipping on each one than to pay for tariffs on on the complete lot.
00:06:22
Speaker
Yeah. It's silly. But we'll get into that when we need to get into all those stupid details. um But yeah, we got I'm going to send out a parcel this week to test them out. I'm going to out another beta units because I've still got three beta units sitting downstairs because I haven't been able to ship those out.
00:06:38
Speaker
So I think I'm goingnna send one of those out and see see what their shipping needs on looks like. Nice. Yeah, because I mean, the way you shipped it to me, yeah, it was spendy, but like it came here in, was it two days? That was insane. Super quick.
00:06:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. FedEx is usually pretty good. Uh, bringing stuff into South Africa. Um, they will send me a customs invoice or clearance invoice before it's even hit the country. So by the time it hits the country, the same day or the following day, i' get a delivery.
00:07:06
Speaker
Like they're really, yeah they are pretty good. ah Also, when I rearrange my position, check my shirt off. Oh, you got, okay. I had two in my cart already. Danica made this one for me. Oh nice. Okay. Yeah. I know. I was like, oh, she already has them up.
00:07:21
Speaker
Okay. I got to buy some of these. Yeah. So yeah. no shit i got into my one same time oh Sick. Yeah. It looks good. I'm moving stuff in the document. Um, yeah, i' got an order for another one of those, another hundred of those stupid aluminum discs.
00:07:36
Speaker
So that'll make it 320 of them that I've machined in three weeks. That's a lot. if we tell that's a lot yeah Every time I deliver them, they're like, oh, can we have another hundred? What are they doing with them?
00:07:47
Speaker
it's It's literally an insert for a desk. So they drill an 80 millimeter hole in a desk and it it's a pass-through for cables. These guys supply the stuff to all the banks and all the corporates here. Okay, they supply that. Yeah, I was in the bank and I'm like, hey, machined that.
00:08:02
Speaker
Like I can see the shitty chamfer. I machined it because the extrusion is not symmetrical. So the one side gets chamfered by the chamfer cutter and the other side doesn't. Not my fucking problem. but i thought was hang put a whole about I thought these were just for like one bank and I was like, how many desk holes are they cutting in this one poor bank? But okay, they're suppliers. That makes sense. Yeah, we did for the entire of F&B.
00:08:25
Speaker
I want to say we did close on three or 4,000 of the one component. Like every desk gets one, like every single desk the has got one. So it adds up quickly. I'm like, yeah.
00:08:36
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So these are, it's been sending a lot of work our way. It's hard margin work. It's lots of fun. I've got material arriving tomorrow that I can run another a hundred tomorrow evening. I've now got it down to just on six and a half hours to do a hundred.
00:08:48
Speaker
Oh, wow. Well, that's nice. And it's all dialed. Just keep going. Yeah. Just have to stand there, which is a little annoying. And my T slot cutter is, um, To say it's on its last legs as being polite, a thing was freaking singing when it was doing the anchor points.
00:09:03
Speaker
And then I'm seeing another hundred parts after that. so Now I'm probably running it a little bit on the fast side, which isn't helping. Uh, but it's also only a, hang on.
00:09:14
Speaker
It's a, it's a China of special, like high speed steel. It is $13 for a diameter, T-slug cutter. thirty two diamond so s what cuts ah That is so cheap.
00:09:28
Speaker
yes So inexpensive. I got another one that, so I burnt up one, flip like two years ago. I bought two for a job. I burnt up one of them, um, being lazy and putting flats on a shaft, but at the wrong RPM.
00:09:42
Speaker
And then I put my spare one in and that thing's run hundreds of parts and now it's on its last legs. I could probably sharpen it if I really wanted to, uh, but the tool and cutter grinder, but that's more effort than I want to put in for it. Like a $12 cutter. I'll just buy another one. I was saying for the, for the price. Yeah. Just get another one.
00:09:59
Speaker
Yeah. That's one of the things I've got a, I've got a list going now of things I need to order for the next batch of anchor points to, to streamline my manufacturing and a whole bunch of different aspects.
00:10:11
Speaker
So it's like a 18 millimeter U-drill, which is now a different size insert to what I was using, but I had the U-drill on hand. So now it's buying bar two U-drill bodies. So when I melt one, I have a spare and buy long, it's a chamfer, but the doubly ones you can do top and bottom.
00:10:29
Speaker
Um, I need a bigger, longer one to do the side of the angle points. Cause there's one feature I have to hand deburr. Cause I don't have a tool to deburr in machine. Um, yeah, there's whole bunch of like small things. And then yeah hydomics they the they'll, the shunk guys are going to get an email tomorrow asking about, uh, pricing on the six millimeter hydraulic that I found on the shunk website.
00:10:50
Speaker
Nice. Yeah. It's not in the same section as the 12. So I don't know what's going on there. Now I'm curious to see what you get back for pricing on that. Yeah, my thought there is to put, as if I have many spare tool spots, but to put a six millimeter end mill in there dedicated to only doing my high precision bores.
00:11:09
Speaker
And that's it. It lives in the hydraulic. That is its job. if far yeah I might use other things, but that is its dedicated job for this. And then the hydraulic for the walls to try and get a better surface finish.
00:11:20
Speaker
Not that the surface finish is bad, but it can be better. So we will make it better. And don't want to spend like on mill.
00:11:30
Speaker
I'd rather spend $200 on a tool holder. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. Like, yeah, no sense putting a fancy fancy end mill into like a yeah ER. I mean, you could put it into an yeah ER, but like, yeah, there's so many better ways. Yeah, for sure. I'm shocked how well those that ER, it's a Chinese tool holder with probably a Chinese collets and whatever the run out is, it doesn't matter because I comped it and I didn't have to adjust it through the entire batch of 16 bodies.
00:11:58
Speaker
nice On each one, there's six high-precision holes, and they're all tighter than I can measure the deviation. That's awesome. from storie yeah But yeah, anyway, on to your exciting side of things, where you broke your smoke machine, Kurt.
00:12:11
Speaker
Tell me about this. Yeah, my my smoke machine doesn't make smoke anymore, which is, I mean, that's a good thing, but ah when I took it apart, so what I'm talking about my little induction heater. It's a quote, 1800-watt induction heater. So when I fried all the FETs in there, I bought new MOSFETs and realized they have...
00:12:27
Speaker
like actual current specs and it's like they they can actually push a lot of current each one of those MOSFETs can I think push 50 amps of current at voltage so that's like 2.3 kilowatts um and they all have to they they cycle so they like oscillate so I figure I can push 2.3 kilowatts with active cooling um but yeah taking it all apart like I put the new MOSFETs in there and all the Zener diodes were like just put in willy-nilly like whoever ah like put up the circuit. I'm like, none of these are put in correct. And those are like those are directional. you have to put them in the right way. So i'm like, OK, this is probably why the circuit was just half of it was fighting itself and half of it was working, which is why it let the smoke out a few times.
00:13:03
Speaker
but Anyways, populated it with like took out the quarter watt Zenos or Zener's putting like one watt Zener's just beefed up every single component. And I'm probably going to beef up the traces now because I'm going to start melting traces on the board. But besides the point, it works. So it's lovely.
00:13:18
Speaker
you you re
Innovations and Improvements
00:13:20
Speaker
You're putting in stronger components, but the rest of the board is still on the old stuff. I laid the solder down thick. So if i i'll put I'll put bus bars in if I have to, but so far nothing's warming up. But yeah, it worked out really well. I put a ah put a tool holder in there.
00:13:35
Speaker
You got your tool out. Yeah. I mean, I did, I heated the absolute crap out of it Cause I changed the coil um size too. So you increase the coupling between the tools. So you get a lot more efficiency.
00:13:46
Speaker
um So i was watching the wattage and kind of watching my time and I was trying to keep the wattage at around two kilowatts. And all of sudden the tool starts loosening. I'm like, Oh, perfect. And I pull the tool out. And then when I pull the holder out, cause now, now the coils wrapped in like fiberglass. So you can't, I can't see inside there. see And I pulled the tool out and it's just like, it's a, it's like a light stick.
00:14:04
Speaker
It's just like bright orange and glowing. And I'm like, Oh, that's way too hot. so what yeah. Yeah. to run it for shorter amount of time? ah you going to run it for a shorter amount of time Yeah, I think I'll just like not like now that i'm I know it's not going to light on fire. I can actually pay attention to the tool as opposed to like just watching the meters and just.
00:14:24
Speaker
Yeah, so I'll just cook it a little differently. And I was cooking it way too far down the tool. So it like it heated the back end of the tool. And I think just the heat carried forward to where it was clamped. Anyways, yeah, I don't know I'm pleased with it so far. It saves me like I like I was talked about last week. I have that one commercial unit that a friend has. um But it's non-functioning, so I have to fix it. And then yeah like he doesn't want, like he's he's not going to give it to me.
00:14:47
Speaker
He wants a very fair price for it, but it's still like, that's money there. And then I'll probably spend you know hundreds of dollars fixing it and probably thousands of dollars in time. So I'm like, you know what? I think I'm just going to run this, see if this works. And if it doesn't work, I'm going to switch over to ah i'll switch over to hydraulic if ah if I can't get this to work.
00:15:03
Speaker
you know Yeah, we were discussing that this week, the Mari tool one. They get a bit silly by the time they ship to me. i was looking into into their ones as well as the shunk stuff like they're on par on price but the shipping from them is just the shipping costs more than the tool hold it's shipped south africa yeah no doubt that yeah that's totally fair i mean like the price i think it was like 300 and i don't know it's 312 or something it was not cheap but that was a super long gauge length Yeah, super long gauge length, slim nose, 1 8 hydraulic holder, which are kind of hard to find. I haven't found a ton of them. um not i mean no that's That's only place.
00:15:40
Speaker
And it's still relatively inexpensive in the grand scheme of things. Like if I'm going to go down the heat shrink route, like I'm going to spend more than that. So if I hit a if i had a brick wall with these heat shrinks, um yeah I'll just uncle go that way. But I think I'll be OK.
00:15:52
Speaker
I have two of them now. So i can if I absolutely like roast one of them, I still have a backup. Because you need to make screws at some point, aren't you? That's the next goal. Once he' once I ship these pens out, I'm basically going to start playing with your anchor point. That's when I'll finish the video on basically seeing how the tolerance repeats.
00:16:12
Speaker
um And then I'll run my my old fixture for the screws, which are still just sitting here populated because I have like one of the operations done, but not the Torx. And yeah, if it works out, and if all that if all those things check out, if the holder helps, and if the new tool path helps, then I'm made in the shade.
00:16:29
Speaker
Not a problem. no No, that's good. Yeah. t I'm curious to see how your testing goes. um Now I'm moving everything on to anchor points. I need so i made single pallets for the piston and a single pallet for the backer.
00:16:43
Speaker
I need to make duplicate pallets. I've got a bunch. I bought 25mm material by accident. So I've got a bunch of skinny pallets that I'm using for anchor point stuff. So I want to have so I can hot swap and go because I ended up wasting a bunch of time one running one pallet.
00:16:58
Speaker
Um, but it is convenient to just have something you can machine that repeats if you need to put it back in the machine with fixtures and stuff. Yeah. So I'm moving. So at this point, the body gets machined on the anchor point, the piston gets its op two on the anchor point, the backer gets its op two on the anchor point.
00:17:15
Speaker
Um, the, I need to buy some other funny shape, uh, some round material to make some fixtures to run the gripper, which will be machined on the anchor point as well. And also uh, uh, the pad will be machined on the anchor point.
00:17:29
Speaker
So basically everything's going to be machined on the anchor point because why not? that's like, yeah. Well, and that's eat your dog food, right? Like test your own product. Like that's perfect. yeah Cause you're gonna, you're gonna find the problems pat first.
00:17:39
Speaker
Yeah. Mine's been in the machine for a year. The version two was in the machine for just on a year. And then right now I've got a V4 and it is significantly more rigid, like significantly more rigid. I'm still right up against the limits of what I should be doing on it, but it's rigid enough.
00:17:55
Speaker
that's awesome. ah That's the way, like zero points are the way. Cause ah like what you mentioned earlier, that's exactly what I want to do. I want to be able to like work on projects and then just like put them aside and be like, okay, I can put production back on. And when I have some spare time, I can put this little pet project back on and I don't have to like, remember, be like, ah what offset was I using? Where was I touching it off? How did I mount it? Like, be like, no, it's exactly how it was. It just, it just came off and now it goes back in. Like there's the magic.
00:18:17
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's, that is the exact magic of, uh, of the anchor of zero points. Totally. yeah Yeah. Look up a email because but oh there we go cool has's got the spec so just just occurred to me that I think theish the tc510 I got quoted was with 21 tool servo turret. Okay, cool.
Managing Machining Workflows
00:18:47
Speaker
I thought so. Because that's the machine you're looking at. Yeah. The anchor point body currently uses 14 of my 15 available tools and I want to add another tool to that mix and then another tool to the mix. So yeah, we're out of tools.
00:19:00
Speaker
So yeah, that's we'll see. It's potentially down the road, depending on how many anchor points we move, because obviously I can't tell my customers to just go fly a cart.
00:19:12
Speaker
I need to try and balance between customers and my own product. Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. Keep everybody happy so you can keep eating. Well, yeah, today I made 500, I processed 500 pots.
00:19:25
Speaker
I did 240 harmonica reads or concertina reads that I'm machining. And then while that was happening, I machined 70 PTFE caps and another 120 PTFE caps on another machine on the AMCO.
00:19:39
Speaker
literally made 120 parts out a scrap out all my because all my drops, the PCF you order two meters and it comes in at like 50 mils over. So I cut 500 500 500 and I'd rather throw away like 70 miles of material and know that my process is reliable, then have a bargain and not run the last part and then my counters off.
00:20:00
Speaker
so i end up with these absolutely 70 to 100 mil long remnants so to make these capsules make i make four at a time out of a you pull it forward it runs four pull it forward again it runs four so i was running it off scrap today made 120 parts the scrap yeah like nice see don't have to do that feels like i don't think i've ever bought material for that part because i only take about 50 of them a year so or 50 100 a year so i just keep the scrap and run down the scrap Nice. ah dog sir Great fun.
00:20:30
Speaker
Running, ah running PTFE super easy. Tomorrow I've got to run more P, more different PTFE on the EMCO and then set, ah get Bertha prep to run some big alley parts, 80 diameter alley.
00:20:41
Speaker
Again, I was take like 10 to 15 parts a year. They phoned me on Wednesday. can they get five urgently? I'm like, I'll see what I can do on material supply.
00:20:52
Speaker
I don't keep material for this. I'll order it. And there's a three day backlog on my material supply is soaring. So sorry, I can get it. It's being soared tomorrow morning and I'm probably going to send down tickets to go fetch it for me because then when it gets here, i can run it and I can deliver everything to them on Wednesday and know that they are dealt with for the month.
00:21:10
Speaker
And I can invoice it at the end of month. They pay me and I can just forget about them for the rest of the month that focus and focus on anchor points. Yeah. That's a mis-turnaround for them too. Yeah. Oh, no, like that that is my value proposition. We had a meeting. They were like, oh, yeah, can we can we discuss pricing? like, sure, but my price is not my value. My value is when you have a problem, you phone me and I unproblem it for you.
00:21:34
Speaker
So, i yeah, they're going to get stock in a matter of a week only because I have to wait for the guys to saw cut it and I'm not willing to hold material for them. Right. not on something that take 10 units a year they don't pay nearly enough for those units yeah so yeah yeah i need to build an inside my chromatist uh sorry a depth mark don't know you saw that one in there i saw that yeah why not why not buy or is it like specific that it has to like i need a weird for this shape i need a zero to eight millimeter depth mark
00:22:06
Speaker
I need to measure seven common nine millimeters. That's what I need to measure. um And all the depth, my kits are stupid expensive, because you can measure up to meter because I got the stupid longer little PPQ put it.
00:22:17
Speaker
So I'm like, I was trying to figure out what I was gonna do. And then I remember, it hang on, I have a micrometer. um anvil thread sound of the actual bit you spent from where I used to work. Like we bought it for a fixture then for testing something.
00:22:33
Speaker
And it was in my drawer when I left. so I took it. And it's been sitting here for six years. I'm like, hang on. But the engraving is backwards because it's meant for an outside mark. So I put in the fiber laser and just engraved it the other way around.
00:22:47
Speaker
Oh, nice. Yeah. So I just need make a little, I need to make a little foot for it. Fit it, calibrate it. And there we go. I've got a depth mark for measuring 7.9 millimeters, which is the final grind hearts on the pads of anchor point. So that's just calling me back from grinding them right now. And the fact that I don't feel like breathing grinding dust, but that'll happen this week. fuck It's in the queue.
00:23:09
Speaker
I tried about two, uh, two inline fans with carbon filters today off marketplace, but they got sold out from under me. Unfortunately, they were a killer deal.
00:23:20
Speaker
It was like, I think it was like $50 for two of them for six inch fans. I'm like, Hey, I messaged the guys like someone's coming in half an hour. If they don't pitch, you'll let me know. I was like, well, fair enough. Like I would have driven in, snapped it out from other people.
00:23:36
Speaker
Yeah, that's the ah that's one advantage we had here in Canada is like, as soon as they legalized weed, like all of those inline fans and filters and everything, like the price just plummeted because everyone was buying them. So like, I have a bunch in my shop just moving fumes around. Same thing that is like, they're so cheap. I have like, yeah I don't know.
00:23:51
Speaker
Well, I mean, I can buy new one. Big vortex. Yeah, a new one's like $50. I just could have got two for $50 with carbon filters. So I'll probably buy one this week because i want I want to put a little hood above my Anno setup and suck the fumes out. Like,
00:24:05
Speaker
down through the brickwork and out um out of the workshop i just don't want it running a kind of want a smaller one uh there's one that is 30 watts and 60 watts on high speed so then i'll leave it on 30 watts default and it can just run forever and then when i'm running i'll switch it up to 60. that way it's moving a bit more volume um but obviously i don't want my electricity bill to be through the roof just because i'm moving air yeah so yeah that's the exact problem i have yeah i got acid last week they uh oh nice yeah uh okay straight from this but still in their supplier's box they didn't even freaking open it um so it's still in its box yeah because i wasn't feeling well so that's tomorrow on tomorrow's agenda is to actually try and get through the anodizing i need to do because that's like
00:24:53
Speaker
A fair amount of money just sitting there waiting to go out the door. Like as soon as I anodize it, I can invoice it and it's all machined already. It just needs to be Scotch brights it and anodized. It's about it's most of a day's work to do that. So yeah, balancing.
00:25:06
Speaker
I've also got to make a thousand pins for concertinas again.
Efficient Production and Resource Management
00:25:13
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I made a thousand of them two years ago. The guys worked through all fo all the thousand that he bought and him and his friend are now going half, half on a batch.
00:25:20
Speaker
Cool. So it's turn the little thing and make a fixture in the mill slitting saw one more slot drill and then rigid tap M 1.6. Oh, tiny. Yeah. Last time did it with a battery drill.
00:25:32
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So um think we'll be i think we'll be better off with it in the LK. Like we're going M 1.1.6 is not exactly big, but I'll do a tool break detect and see how many taps I can explode.
00:25:45
Speaker
Just with easy material, like steel or aluminum or something or. Oh, even easier. Okay. Yeah, no, everyone's a hero in brass. ah Absolutely, yeah. Brass is super, super easy.
00:25:56
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But yeah, so I'm trying to remember why was complaining about other people's lead times. I don't probably a lot of reasons. I'm going to assume it was the saw cutting that was the problem.
00:26:10
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um and I don't know. told the driver, I'll give him some meth to give to the guys running the saws so they cut faster. That's the way 100% math solves everything. Other people's surprises. Actually, I added it to our topic thing was vertically integrating to be in control of of your own destiny because suppliers can be real real troublesome when you're a small shop, like being at the yeah no the mercy of other people.
00:26:38
Speaker
Well, and like some of the things are like, i don't know. I try to drink the lean Kool-Aid on a lot of things, but certain things like for instance, the spring, are the refills that go in my pens.
00:26:49
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i I went the like, I think ah Saunders had that like Glock tour where they just bought like, yeah he's like, I sit on two years of supplies. And that's what I do with refills. Now I'm like, okay, how what's a shelf life on these things? I'm just going to buy a stupid amount and then don't have to think about it anymore.
00:27:03
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And now I'm doing the same thing for springs because I can get them made locally. But the quantity was like, they quoted me a quantity of like whatever, 500 and the price was blank. And then they quoted a quantity of a thousand and the price was blank. And I'm like, it's, it's like two cents. Like it would make no sense for me to order the small quantity. So I'm like, I'll just order just a crap ton of them. And then once again, it's like, it's way more than I'm going to need in like a month or two, but like, yeah i don't have to think about it. Like, just it's out my hair. That's what I started doing with repeat orders. So I've got a couple of customers. We do a lot of white label stuff where we manufacture the whole thing for them, put them in a bag and they just sell it.
00:27:36
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Um, a lot of their stuff when I set up to run, if he's ordered 10, I'll run 30 parts and I'll put them on the shelf. Cause I know those other ones are going to move out within the next six months or so. And I'm happy to, it's going to take me more time to set up, to run another 20 of them than to just run the 20 while I'm set up.
00:27:53
Speaker
So I've now got, uh, boxes on my shelf that all labeled with customer parts in them. Like when they order, I just grab them off the shelf, finish them and send them. Well, especially if it's sitting on like, if it's a small quantity, like space wise, if it's small and if it's material wise, if it's inexpensive, it's like, yeah, why not? Just like, well, I mean, I ran out all the material I had on the pete the small PTV caps I made.
00:28:16
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I ran out all that material in November. Haven't run them since. haven't ordered a lot. I've still got, I think i've still got 130 in stock. I've got to make another 70 tomorrow. I haven't run that since November.
00:28:27
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Like my code, my machine's all set up for it. haven't needed it. And if the machine's standing, I may as well run something that I know is going to move. So yeah yeah, I mean, you're tying up a material, but in the grand scheme of things, there's not a lot of material.
00:28:41
Speaker
um On those parts, it's like 10% material cost on the actual finished part. So I may as well, when I have time, just run parts. Right. Yeah. And they can't really go anywhere else because can't afford their drawings.
00:28:55
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I'm in that supply.
00:29:01
Speaker
ah Yeah. Yeah. So what did you do your printer?
00:29:06
Speaker
I'm just trying to basically keep myself from going down the buying a stupid expensive printer for no real good reason. So I just I pimped up my old little printer. I put like just like four start lead screws because it was like old threaded rod on the Z axis. It was super, super slow. So.
00:29:23
Speaker
I put like fancy lead screws into it and then put a modern extruder on it and put like a 32-bit controller on it and like so I can run Clipper and I can you know do all the like ah fancy stuff. but Because motion-wise, that it's accurate. And like I put a like like a volcano hot end on there so I can squeeze a ton of plastic through it.
00:29:41
Speaker
Because i'm like there's nothing yeah I'm like, there's nothing wrong with this printer. like it can not exactly What do I need it for? Making jigs? like All it needs to do is squirt plastic real fast.
3D Printer Market Insights
00:29:51
Speaker
So yeah, that's...
00:29:53
Speaker
No, 100%. Like, people get a bit carried away with printers. I look at what people said printers. I mean, you can literally buy a car for the price of the printers here. Oh, totally. Yeah. the bamboo ones, you can literally buy a reliable car for the price of a freaking printer.
00:30:07
Speaker
I'm like, no Well, and the... The components nowadays are insanely inexpensive. Like they are so inexpensive, even if for brand name stuff, it's just the mass quantities of production has just done wonders to the prices. Yeah.
00:30:22
Speaker
It's the economies of scale. And that's the thing. Like printers now, it's a you buy it, you turn it on and you print. it's Yeah. It's now aimed at the mass market, not the tinkerer and the guy who wants to build a printer, not necessarily print things.
00:30:35
Speaker
Because I think you and I both are the ones who would build a printer because you want to build a printer. Not because we necessarily need to print things. Yeah. Yeah. When I bought my thing-o-matic, I wasn't like, I'm going to use this to make all kinds of cool things. I'm like, I want to make this it's cool. And like yeah where we are in printer technology right now is where we wanted to be. like 15 years ago.
00:30:55
Speaker
Yeah. And like, like when i build mine now they're finally getting there. I accidentally won an auction on eBay and won the printer parts. And then I had to buy all the parts to build the bloody printer.
00:31:06
Speaker
And that that was my entry. Start with the Delta. Do it the easy way. Yeah. Flip. I know. i ah I always wanted a Delta. They're super cool looking.
00:31:18
Speaker
They're so cool just for that reason alone. And then what ah water ah who just reached out to me? Why am I spacing on his name right now? This is and this is evil. Anyways, um we just had him on as a guest.
00:31:31
Speaker
Justin. Justin, of course. He just reached out to me. He was like, hey, I got parts for a row stock. I'm like, don't even tempt me, you evil, evil human. Because that's all I want to do. I'll build a huge delta just because they look cool. Yeah, exactly. No, I don't need to do that. Background ornaments.
00:31:48
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, just just giant, just boop, boop, boop, boop. Like they're so cool, but yeah. Yeah, no, I'm resisting the urge. It's, yeah, try not to do the fun thing. Well, try not to do the things that don't add value.
00:32:02
Speaker
right yeah and this is like printer is just like letting me scratch that like little like this is a fun little hobby thing to do like this is not moving the needle in what i do day to day and it's not making me any more money but it's like it's just enough to keep my brain from well we're making we're making buzzes for the local quiz not because their buzzer system sucks ass so yes you're making wireless buzzes for them i'm like this really is not something i should be focusing on but their buzzers suck so much and we're currently uh absolutely just destroying everyone else in the league so we'll make it better for them now like my missus has won the last three quiz nuts at this point we've got three three free bottles of wine and a free pizza wow
00:32:44
Speaker
Yeah, shes out we've been dominating it. It's quite fun. um But yeah, but we laughed at their setup and told them we would help them. So now I've been roped into making Quiznacht wireless button situation.
00:32:59
Speaker
Sick. So I tried to get ChatGPT to do it yesterday morning and then kind of got over trying to get trying to get the um SSD 1306 screens to work from ChatGPT is such a freaking nightmare.
00:33:14
Speaker
libraries um but yeah i'm like screw that they can have eight lights they can light up i don't really care like let me get a basic functionality and then danica can add the complicated stuff using her fancy programming skills with wild loops and things and switch statements i'm like if if if everything's a good statement Ifs and go-tos make the world go round. There we go.
00:33:39
Speaker
Speaking of ifs and go-tos, yeah, I got my ah fancy program working.
Programming and Coding Discussions
00:33:45
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Nice, I saw that. and go-tos. Yeah, I took your code, looked at how you ah you wrote your if statements, and then copied that copied and pasted that into my code, and then basically looked up what number I needed to jump to and used go-to.
00:34:01
Speaker
Sick. yeah Took me a little while to figure out the go-to code. what it wanted from me in the actual line. Cause there's go to F, go to B, go to, and then there's another go to, um, but it's basically go to forward, go to back, go to the whole document.
00:34:17
Speaker
So it'll first search forward, then back, like, Oh, interesting, like easy enough to learn. And then I made another program like that today where ra can literally just type in a variable in it. runs a different section of my code. You've just got to be really, really on it that you make sure you exit out of that segment and jump to the end.
00:34:33
Speaker
Because if you don't, it gets exciting. it gets excited My old old programming teacher when I was doing like a lot of C programming in school, I used gotos everywhere. because they were there like I could do anything with them. And he's like, all you're building is spaghetti code. He's like, if one section of your code fails, he's like, this is just going to be anarchy. And I'm like, well, yeah, but last it won't. like well just what does We'll just add extra gotos. He's like, quit adding gotos. He's like, it's bad code. I'm like, ah, whatever. Good job done.
00:35:02
Speaker
That was like me programming ladder. I ended up programming a couple of PLC jobs. I love ladder. Ladder super simple. If the conditions are met, it runs. It's fucking easy. It's made for stupid people.
00:35:13
Speaker
And then the guy's like, no, we'll just add some C. And I'm like, no, we won't. We're going to do this with ladder. He's like, why? It's like four lines. I'm like, because ladder, I can understand. That's why we're doing it ladder.
00:35:24
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Ladder is super, super simple. It's logical flow. I love ladder. Even the way program in Arduino, it's F, F, F, F. Like you make state, like a variable that you just tick over to the next thing.
00:35:38
Speaker
So it runs this block of code or it runs this block of code. but But job yeah, Danica gets very angry with me. She's like, do you know this 15,000 lines of code? This is like four lines. like, that's nice. I don't know how your four lines work. i know how my lines work.
00:35:52
Speaker
Yeah, no, exactly. But yeah, if it's dumb and it works, isn't dumb. Precisely, right? And like nowadays with the power of microcontrollers, like when I was learning to program microcontrollers, was using Motorola ones programming in assembly where it's like, okay, I have like a kilobyte that I can use. Well, Danica and I were discussing that.
00:36:11
Speaker
And she was like, she's never used a long integer or something. I'm like, no, the reason you don't use that is because the Arduino has no memory. It emulates that and eats all your fricking memory.
00:36:23
Speaker
So everything's an integer unless it absolutely has to be something else because your memory just gets eaten up.
00:36:32
Speaker
yeahha Super nerd talk, but yeah. knows Proper nerdy things. So what's happening with your, uh, with your pen cells that you can't make people happy? uh well so everybody uh this this batch i did blue which is hilarious because whenever i don't do like blue everyone's like oh when are you gonna make more everyone's everyone i get emails and dms continuously be like if you can make more blue ones i'm like okay you know what i'll make a run of blue i've done blue in a while and then like everybody's like do you have any other color except blue i'm like yeah i know you could just never but obviously like you're dealing with a bunch of people you're you're gonna
00:37:05
Speaker
people that are happy are not going to contact you yeah it's just it's hilarious it just makes me laugh like i'm like i think i know what people want better than what people want but i thought they were nebula for some reason no everybody wants those and i do want to make more but they're just such a pain in the ass to do that if i keep doing them back to back i just start losing my mind so i i'm gonna do them again because yeah Everyone wants them, but they're tedious. Yeah. it's yeah and not It's not, once again, it's and not a problem. This is a lovely issue to have when people want my product. But like, it's, yeah, it's just it's just funny how like,
00:37:38
Speaker
up. Yeah. You can never make anybody happy enough. I've given up on that a long time ago. Um, yeah but it's just, and it's funny how some people will sound like some people are just legitimately like, Oh, I want a different color. I'm like, that's cool. They're like, I know sweat. I'll catch you next time. I look, sounds good. And then some people will just write me a sob story of their life. I'm like, dude, it's a pen. Calm down. Like you don't have to tell me like I've my, I've been saving for years. And like, i'm like, I appreciate you very much, but like go outside, touch, touch grass. Like but you're going to be okay.
00:38:06
Speaker
there's a lot of cool things. We will survive without a pen. Like it's not, yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah. I love your support, but yeah, there's, there's lots of people making cool stuff. Just go poke around a little bit. So yeah, that's curious to see how, how the end of this month is going to go with, uh, with anchor points and how many more we're going to make next month.
Anchor Point System Development
00:38:27
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Oh, me too, man. Me too. Uh, yeah I'm trying to decide on the number I want to run next month. I haven't even finished this batch. I've already got a a whole bunch of process improvements in place. ah job yeah I'm a little concerned that we're going to battle to keep up, which is a very good place to be in.
00:38:45
Speaker
yeah It's going to go one of two ways. either it's goingnna yeah No one's going to want it or everyone's going to want it. It's just how it is. Hope for the second one there. It's much better. The second is much better. for sure much I'm waiting to get the stuff back so that I can put a mirroring point on my machine and start testing that out because that's going to need to come down the pipeline relatively quickly.
00:39:08
Speaker
um i actually want to move the body manufacturing on two onto a mirroring point and run two at a time. because I'm going to get extra rigidity from that. And then I can also get a little bit more walkaway time because i was getting decent walkaway time, but not enough.
00:39:25
Speaker
um Yeah. And I think... Yeah, I need to figure out how to program it in fusion to do it the way I wanted to do it. Um, short of going in and hand editing all the code so that when it calls a tool, it does everything with that tool.
00:39:40
Speaker
Um, otherwise I just post both programs, run the op one, then run up two. Uh, but ideally hit go, come back to two finished bodies, take them off, take, rotate the others in and hit go again.
00:39:53
Speaker
Kind story. Yeah. that's the dream game try and gain some efficiencies because yeah it's going to eat up a large amount of my capacity but yeah with the that' said with no shipping shipping thing which we'll test this week that makes it a lot more feasible to look at getting another machine to meet capacity if need be like it'll be struggling along for a few months and then we could in theory put a machine Yeah.
00:40:22
Speaker
Because that's what I have space for as another machine. I've got lots of space. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I see how much space you have. It's just yeah playing dodgeball in there. Exactly. Have you seen the the tour of Harrison's workshop?
00:40:38
Speaker
No, because him and a or AJ just did it on his last one. No, I was excited to watch it. Yeah, it's on it's on AJ's channel now. um desire Sick. Okay. Audacity Macro YouTube channel. the The tour is on there now.
00:40:51
Speaker
That workshop's got plenty of space. You could put four more machines in there. You could put four more machines in, but then you wouldn't be able to walk. No, just crab walk, like you said. Exactly.
00:41:02
Speaker
If you're not crab walking, you've got plenty of space. Yep, 100%. hundred um 100%. So i've been ah I've been questing for hydraulic holders. I'm trying to resist the urge to buy hydraulic from China.
00:41:18
Speaker
Mostly because the shunk one's the same price by the time it lands here. Oh really? okay. Yeah. Then totally avoid it. Yeah. A hundred percent. Except trying to find a six millimeter from shunk has not been easy. I think I found one.
00:41:31
Speaker
I'm going email the guy the link tomorrow and say, Hey, can you get this for me? What is it going to cost? It's like a different little groupie thing. Um, cause what I've found is anyone who carries hydraulics locally or two places, they will stock a 20 diameter with reducer bushes and I'm like, cool.
00:41:47
Speaker
So no coolant access. What the hell am meant to do with that? So I want yeah a skinny head, like narrow, narrow one so that I can still get coolant in there. So shunk, the shunk one looks like it does the thing.
00:42:00
Speaker
So I will, uh, I'll harass them and see, and then spend an exorbitant amount of money on two tool holders. Nice. But yeah, look that's the thing. and yeah The anchor point will let us invest in its own manufacturing and improving its processes.
00:42:16
Speaker
Like that's the whole right the whole game is get better at doing it. Yeah. yeah Improve your processes on every single batch. So we'll see now I'm waiting on O-rings. Oh, that's why I was angry about suppliers.
00:42:32
Speaker
I tried to order the springs for the anchor points. I'm like, cool, let me order 17 sets of springs so I have a spare set. 102 springs. Oh, we have 57 in stock.
00:42:45
Speaker
The rest are coming in first week of May. I'm like, what the hell?
00:42:52
Speaker
I can put together 10 anchor points and then then what must do? So my plan is there will be 10 available. Then now the other five will follow the week next week. And then I'm ordering like two or 300 springs and just putting them on my shelf that I don't have to deal with this again.
00:43:06
Speaker
I'm just going to hold a two month supply because this is not actually acceptable. But yeah, that's the, and the problem is the springs I'm getting locally, they in theory are DIN springs.
00:43:21
Speaker
but I try to source them from China and I can't find the same thing. They haven't looked super duper hard, but at the price of getting them for locally, I can't get them from China.
00:43:33
Speaker
When I look at a similar size spring, the price is nearly double. So I don't know where the hell these looks are getting their springs made. And I really hope that they are consistent over time. They should be because they allegedly fall into the DIN standard.
00:43:46
Speaker
But yeah, it was a little bit, little bit weird. So I'm getting that I should get this week. I should get 57 springs. Luckily, I have a few spares kicking around so I can put together 10 units.
00:44:01
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and I don't think anyone's going to lose their mind if you're, you know, if you're delayed a few weeks. like Yeah. No, 100%. It's just it's annoying because it was something I didn't think I needed to worry about. It's like, you would assume that yeah the spring people have springs.
00:44:15
Speaker
So yeah I'm just going to buy up all the stock and have it sit in my place so that I can control my own destiny. yeah Just like I do with the pins now because the pin people are clowns. So I now control my pin destiny.
00:44:28
Speaker
I still need to hard mill those. I want to order a tool tomorrow. i want to order a six millimeter with corner a corner rad because I was doing it with a four millimeter ball nose. So two radius ball nose.
00:44:38
Speaker
I snapped one when I was making the original pins and i'm like, probably going to snap a few more. Let me rather just get a bigger cutter that's more rigid and try that with the corner radius. Yeah. the corner i so i think i will yeah It'll be early in the week that that will get sorted out. knew I was going to remember why I was angry about the podcast.
00:45:00
Speaker
I say wouldn't it wouldn't be a podcast if you weren't angry at somebody. Yeah, I try not to get angry at people, but some people are just incompetent and they can't help it.
00:45:12
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah like that kind of thing because i know you've vertically integrated a lot of the stuff you do well you now make your screws and you were making your springs a while ago Yeah.
00:45:23
Speaker
And honestly, I would still make my springs because I'm holding better tolerance than spring manufacturers, which is like, what you guys do this for a living. Why is your tolerance like plus minus 20 thou? Like, that's insane. but Because 20 thou is a really small number on a spring.
00:45:39
Speaker
ah Yeah, but like ID, OD, like that's a huge, for me, that's a huge variance. it Like I need it within a few thousands. And I'm like, you're wrapping it around a mandrel at a, like its it shouldn't ver vary that much. Yeah.
00:45:50
Speaker
Are they wrapping it around a mandrel? Don't they freeform it? They probably freeform it. You're totally right. No, because as far as know, they bump it and it spins out. Yeah. But I mean, like and if it does one, it should ah should should be because just should do a thousand at the same. like even if they're ah That's like when I was talking with this Canadian supplier, they gave me a crazy tolerance. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, but batch to batch. like I'm like, if you're at that if you're the top end, they're all going to be there. He's like, well, maybe. I was like,
00:46:14
Speaker
okay, well, like, I can't deal with you that's the kind of range you have. Okay, so I can kind of understand that because if there's different stresses in the wire or whatever, how it's decoiling, i could kind of get behind that. Like, I could see there would be some variance.
00:46:29
Speaker
But come on. I guess, but I mean, this is, that's 30% of the spring diameter. Like if it scales, you know, like if, if that was a one inch spring, totally get it 20 plus minus 20,000. Totally. But on a spring that's, you know, like 0.1 inch diameter and you're varying that much. it's like, that's, that's a lot in my world. Obviously it's not because most people buy springs and use them for normal human uses, which is like, yeah, I don't give a shit. Like as long as it fits. And I was like, anyways, I talked to them. they They were able to get it tighter, but still it's just like,
00:46:58
Speaker
Is that the place can throw a baseball at? Absolutely, but I don't think I'm their favorite person right now. So as you just charge more. like flying in your direction I think so so. I'm going to get this first batch and yeah, we'll see.
00:47:10
Speaker
I think, yeah, I think they're like, what is this little anal retentive person ordering springs for? So I was like, we'll see. I'll just tread lightly and try to be polite and not bitch about the price and be like, yeah, just sounds good.
00:47:21
Speaker
Yep. Make them.
00:47:24
Speaker
So time will tell. Time will tell. Oh, yes. do you remember that trip I did to the roof sheeting forming machine? Yeah, that big ah that big lathe you're working on?
00:47:36
Speaker
and No, no, the rolling, the roll forming thing to make roof sheets. Right, with the big the things spinning around. yeah ah Okay, yeah that was an extra.
00:47:47
Speaker
i Anyway, making roof sheeting. These oak machines finally working. Oh, that was with the dies. Yeah, I remember this. The die that was the wrong size. Can you guess what conclusion the Chinese came to after like eight weeks?
00:48:02
Speaker
Oh, that they sent you the wrong dies. The conclusion I came to in eight hours. Yes, that one. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what you told them? i Yeah, exactly what I told them. They put new dies in. It works perfectly. They ran their first production last week.
00:48:14
Speaker
So now they want me to design them a hydraulic decoiler. So instead of putting it through the coil material, starting with two giant wrenches, they wanted to just pull in with hydraulics and expand and grab the coil.
00:48:26
Speaker
So yay design work. Always super motivated to do that. But yeah, I'll design that for them. They go, I know they're going to fabricate it.
00:48:36
Speaker
Like they've got a full on like welding shop and whatnot, but they rebuild, uh, train cars for the mines. Okay. Like hardcore big boy stuff.
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah. So like that and they redo valves. So I'll design it so they can just manufacture it themselves. Okay. That's nice. at least, least you're not on the hook for a contraption. Yeah. Yeah, that I've learned my lesson kind of on that.
00:49:00
Speaker
I try not to get involved with automation stuff as much as I can avoid it these days.
Business Priorities and Process Reliability
00:49:06
Speaker
like it was it's the Harrison and AJ were talking about this, about cost shotgunning it when you start, taking on anything you can, like and then honing in on what you actually do.
00:49:18
Speaker
And I'm in the phase of saying no and trying to hone in on what I do. No, that's wise. i was at a customer, the guy who supplied me the K110 for the anchor points and did the heat treating. Heat treating was basically free. It was awesome.
00:49:31
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, like ah that whole batch of material, I think for 15, cost me the same as a batch of material for four parts from my other guys. Mm-hmm. Because the other guys sent it for heat treat. They didn't put in it in with a batch of their own stuff. So I got charged a min lot.
00:49:47
Speaker
Whereas with these guys, they put it in with their stuff. So it was two kilograms or 2.7 kilograms. I didn't get charged a minimum lot fee. so Oh, sick. Yeah. And I still, turns out the off cuts are long enough to make another part.
00:49:59
Speaker
So I've got part of the material for another five pads. So what I'll do is when I want them all, I'll just account for that. And then I think I'm actually going to material prep them.
00:50:10
Speaker
So I don't know if you've seen the stories every now and again that post where I machine a dovetail effectively, cylindrical dovetail onto the end of my material.
00:50:21
Speaker
And then I've got jaws that have a tapered undercut that when I grab it, it pulls in and against the jaw. Super rigid. Can't come out, can't slide because K110 has got really annoying paint and scale on it that my three jaw cannot hold it if I'm roughing it.
00:50:39
Speaker
So by gripping it like this, it goes nowhere. It can't go backwards because it's on a shoulder. Can't go forwards because it's against a taper. So right you take the extra three minutes to prep all your material and then you know it's going nowhere in process. so i think um and yeah And then you also know the lengths are all the same when you start because they've all been...
00:50:59
Speaker
against a stop and you've machined. So, you know, you're not going to all of a sudden have five miles of spare material. So I think I'm going to do that. it It adds extra two or three minutes to each one, but I think well, well worth it for the peace of mind. on Like you said, rigid AF, like you're going to get better, everything to a life considering my three jaw Chuck is on an adapter plates on the front of my college Chuck.
00:51:22
Speaker
So yeah, it's not the most rigid set up in the world, but yeah. It works, but y like yeah, like in that case, I could probably leave Danica to run them. Like if I've got them that reliable, you can't really fuck it up.
00:51:34
Speaker
Um, yeah and no, she doesn't like running the three jaw chuck because she's worried she's not going to tighten it enough or something. I don't know. So yeah, trying to try to build my processes that I don't have to run everything.
00:51:47
Speaker
That's, that's, that's the key. That's the key. That is the dream. Mark, that is literally the dream. I see you have here, unless this is just riffing on go. Oh, unless you got something, shoot away.
00:51:59
Speaker
and No, no, carry on. I've got a question want ask you, but we'll get to that later. I see your sub-programming on Siemens, or was that just in reference to your go-tos? Oh yeah, that was using the go-tos. Actually, no, let me ask you. So when I was at IMTS, I got a demo from the Siemens guys on how to get sub-programs to run.
00:52:16
Speaker
i can I can get my Toolbrake Detect sub-program to call. I cannot get any other sub-programs to call. And once type that sub program name in, I can't edit that line.
00:52:28
Speaker
Huh? So if I type in TBD in a program, I can't delete that TBD. It's there permanently. Weird. Like right on the control? and Like if I'm on the control and I edit the program and add TBD for two-way protection, I can't delete that line.
00:52:45
Speaker
I can't edit the line. I can't do anything because it's obviously linking to an external program. But yeah, I don't know. I've messed around with a bit, trying to call sub programs and yeah, I had endless crap. That's why I went to go-tos.
00:52:59
Speaker
Huh. Yeah, because i'm minor just I just use like call and then the name of the program. And then I have i keep all my subprograms in the subprogram folder. So yeah, TBD is in a subprogram folder.
00:53:10
Speaker
But ah literally, you just type TBD. that's ah That might be the problem is that I'm not calling it. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, that might be it. Okay. Yeah, because it might be treating it. I think if you just have a normal word, it just treats it as a label.
00:53:24
Speaker
And if you have call, I think it treats it as like a subprogram call. that might be it okay yeah because i was watching trying to watch videos on youtube and it's a bunch of indian people shouting so yeah i went through a lot of those yeah i just scrolled through it like look at what they're typing because it's like the guy's handwriting program's kind of square like i'm not gonna cut a square like i need to know how to call your program not how to program a square Uh, yeah, don my post from fusion from fusion to the machine is frigging rock solid. Like make a tweak, send it hit go zero regard. Like I've got that process or that workflow very well dialed in at this point.
00:54:00
Speaker
Nice. Yeah. Um, you mentioned last week about boring out collets. Yes. Yep. Uh, what are you using to, put okay. You're using a carbide boring bot to bore them out. I kind of figured.
00:54:14
Speaker
and But are you boring them through are you just boring a step? Most these are just steps. Like I'll just take a collet and just bore a step. Yeah, I did that. I used my hex collet that doesn't fit my hex bar and bored it to fit BT30 pull stud.
00:54:29
Speaker
Murdered multiple boring bars. Yeah, they're hard inside and they're interrupted. yeah Yes, and I have no more spares. So I had to put my one that wasn't totally ruined into the tool and cutter grinder and put a new tip on it.
00:54:43
Speaker
Nice. But it made 70 bots today and it's going to make another 100 tomorrow in PTFE. Oh, okay. That worked. Also, super what are they? think they're like boring for a little six diametter sixtimemeter twenty two depth of cuts solid coard boringba nice and normally keep like four five in stock but I think I've burned through all of them on random crap like boring like the one that was in the emco probably did four five thousand parts and it was still fine because I only ever touched ptfe oh okay development yeah of aluminium um and then somebody had decided to pour out a collet
00:55:31
Speaker
Yeah, that would do it. Yeah, right k out of that did not go well for me. ah But yeah, I ended up getting it bought out. And then I found an interesting thing with the cheap BT-30 pull studs I brought in. They don't fit my pallets.
00:55:43
Speaker
Oh, was it thread or? No, thread's fine until you get to the end of the thread. So in the back of a BT-30 tool holder, there's a...
00:55:55
Speaker
12.5 diameter that drops down like six millimeters. It only actually needs to go four millimeters because that's long the shoulder is. But the back of the threads aren't cleaned out properly. So if it screws perfectly into BT30 holder, but not into my pallet, so updated the pallet drawing.
00:56:09
Speaker
to have a deeper board. Like really minor inconvenience. I threw one of the pull studs into the lathe quickly and just undercut it a bit more so I could use it on an existing pallet.
00:56:20
Speaker
um But yeah, um in that case, you really get what you pay for with $2 pull studs. Yeah, would have thought? Yeah, like but those are relegated to pallet systems only. They will not go in the taper of my machine.
00:56:32
Speaker
Like not a chance. all So Dan and I are discussing that as well, buying a bunch of the ER holders that I use um from China land and just dedicating them. Okay.
00:56:45
Speaker
These 16 tool holders are dedicated to running anchor point. They get put in the machine, we run anchor point. They come out with yellow tool tag, get put it on a separate shelf. They are used for nothing else. Just that we can try and make changeovers as quick as possible that we can run them in between other jobs because, you know, needy ass customers.
00:57:05
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Pay money in one part. It's ridiculous. Yeah. No, it pays for itself in the long run.
Tool Dedication and Efficiency
00:57:11
Speaker
Short term is kind of painful, but if you got the quantity, it makes sense.
00:57:15
Speaker
Yeah. I've got a couple tools that are sitting dedicated to running, uh, case gauges, which I haven't run for a while, but, Customers coming past this week, so I'll have a chat to them and persuade them to buy more case gauges.
00:57:27
Speaker
I need to increase the chamfer size on the case, on the nine mils so that I can push the reamer deeper so that they can be looser because gauges, they want a loose gauge. I'm like, what's the point of a gauge?
00:57:40
Speaker
Factory round fits. Your round should fit like, why are you wanting not good rounds to fit? But anyway, people, gun people, contact them anywhere. They think their toys are high accuracy when they're really not.
00:57:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's the one thing I was surprised about learning a little bit about that industry. I'm like, oh my God, this is like the auto industry where everything is just like, yeah, plus minus a little bit. It's like, holy smokes. No, it's frigging silly. Yeah, slop central.
00:58:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mated some stuff together and the guys that's way too tight. They took it to a belt garden to loosen it up. I'm like, are you kidding me? But that's, I mean, you don't want it to to seize up.
00:58:20
Speaker
Anyway, let's quickly do our calls to action because it is kind of the middle of the podcast. So we have got a Patreon. You can hop on there and support us. Thank you to...
00:58:33
Speaker
Jade from Benchmark20. just wanted to make sure i got that right. and For supporting us, gives a shout out for being at one of the top tiers of the Patreon. All the Patreons get the after show, which is usually 10 to 15 minutes, of course, in our...
00:58:46
Speaker
ranting about stuff or secret super secret projects, things of that nature. um But yeah, you can check out our Patreon. There's also the website which is theloanmachinists.com There's a link on there to the online store that's got a bunch of fancy shirts and merch regarding the uh related to the podcast and then there's also the jamie to english dictionary where it's got all the fun words that i use which i think danica updated last week because i said something and she was like that's not in there so she might have updated it sick but yeah and uh go buy some of the i said go buy some of the chip fans shirts because i'm gonna get some of those i'm i'm very pleased that danica made those so yeah the chip so is so cool
00:59:32
Speaker
yeah written in the only fans font for all the people yeah it's the only fans a logo that Danica basically made into chip fans and they put above it it's freaking great yeah I like it like I literally was rummaging around the house this morning trying to find the shirt so I could wear it today thank Yeah, I got to buy a gang and it's like wearing to the grocery store and whatnot.
00:59:51
Speaker
ah I'm just slowly going repair. I'm just going to replace all my clothes with just crap that Danica designs because it's fun. Yeah, I think there's some other funny ones in the works coming coming down the down the way shortly.
01:00:04
Speaker
I'm jazzed. I'm jazzed. I just needed like a subscription to that. i'll just buy a few shirts every month. Hey, you can find my wares at confoundedmachine.com.
Community Engagement and Podcast Growth
01:00:12
Speaker
I have a bunch of pens going up first come first s serve sale before you can listen to this. I'm sorry. They've always already sold out by the time you listen to this, but there's a chance that the 777 special edition pen, it wasn't claimed.
01:00:25
Speaker
So I'm doing another lottery draw on Tuesday for that one. um So yeah, maybe you'll hear this in time. And if you, you can sign up if you're not. And yeah. How about you, Jamie? ah Yeah, you can find mine over at jspeceng.com.
01:00:38
Speaker
there is There was an update that went out for the Anchor Point this week regarding the release. And if you're on the mailing list, we did get a couple bounce backs. So I think I don't really want to hound people just resending it.
01:00:51
Speaker
um But yeah, the updates are available on our website as well. You can check out the anchor points. It's zero point system at a very reasonable cost. That will be being released in nine days time.
01:01:02
Speaker
If you're on the email list and we have units available early, you guys will be the first ones to find out. So yeah, you might want to sign up for that if you're interested interested in picking one up. So um there was something else I wanted to ask you, Kurt, and now I can't remember what it was.
01:01:19
Speaker
Hmm. Yes, dead-end is the best. That's not conducive. That's all right. Yeah, can't be that important. Sorry, brain's half still fogged. Well, we can do our what what we've been Googling, and maybe that'll jog your mind.
01:01:34
Speaker
I've only got 18 tabs open. Oh, sick. I have six, because I'm trying to follow your lead now and leave things open. so Well, okay, I've got Wordle and Stranded, which I do every morning. That doesn't count.
01:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't count. It does count. I'm on an 18 streak on Wordle. I'm going for a 61 streak again. 61 is where I got to last time, and that was when I got a cold last time, and I forgot one morning. So it's now part of my routine.
01:01:59
Speaker
Let's see how the South African ruble is looking against the dollar, because that is one of the ones that is open, because that does actually affect me, unfortunately. yeah It's stable again.
01:02:10
Speaker
18,82. Okay, was looking at our stats. we On Zencaster, we're averaging about 100 listens per episode. So it's steadily increasing. yeah That's cool.
01:02:21
Speaker
Then I was looking at a ChipFans shirt for some reason. Don't know why. The tab is open. um I was looking for the spelling of Mering Point because I was making an Instagram reel and I needed to actually spell it correctly.
01:02:34
Speaker
right I was looking up hex size on an M4 button head cap screw because I was trying to buy Allen wrenches yesterday for the combat robots, for the screw switches, and I couldn't remember what size they were.
01:02:48
Speaker
And then Mari tool, looking up hydraulic holders because that has been... I have two tabs for that actually.
01:02:58
Speaker
Open and then one open. Is this open? Sorry, this is interesting. Oh, yes, it is. Okay. So the six millimeter is the Tendo Slim 4AX JizzBT30 is the six millimeter hydraulic holder that Shunk do. So I'll let you know this week when I hear back from them about pricing on that because I'm very curious.
01:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, me too then apparently I was going get a screen or something. All right. right. Then I've got the best, the best, um, uh, what's it's, uh, the best gift ever.
01:03:36
Speaker
It's the tartan one. two two it is the best i'm literally gonna send it to you in the chat now because it's freaking brilliant it's my favorite gif um yeah so mine as i just say i wish you could reply to like chats on instagram with more gifs because like i feel like we could now all just communicate purely in gifs so much better form of communication um yeah know there's some classy ones haha it's in my mu safe it's in my um
01:04:12
Speaker
Hello? i want to send this one. What the hell? Oh, okay. Sorry, I'm trying to send it to you and it won't it won't let me. Why won't you let me? Damn it! Okay, sorry.
01:04:25
Speaker
Tariffs. um so ah All data sheets, obviously, because that's an important site to be open. I was looking at a bunch of MOSFET specs. I was also on the MaryTool site looking at the BT31-8th slim hydraulic holder.
01:04:40
Speaker
Had a bunch of stuff pulled up for Clipper. uh just for once again playing with printers uh bt30 strength fit crap because just looking at more looking at some slim nose versions i don't know um still playing on that if it works i'm just gonna like outfit a ton of crap with heat shrink because it works um thousand watt heat oh that's actually really cool uh so i found a guy's site uh i'll scroll to the top it's like a a super old site. reminds me of like the old school GeoCity sites where people just post like this, you know, it's got like 700 pages long and it's just crammed full of like technical information.
01:05:12
Speaker
Fantastic. ah ah It's like space, S-P-A-C-O.org. This guy's just an old guy and he's got just a crap ton of electronic junk on his site. um But one of his pages is 1000 watt ZVS induction heater notes because tons of people have been asking me about the induction heater. So if you Google that, he has like a flow chart, he like broke out schematics, he did a bunch of experimentation, he's got like data on like coil sizing, super, super good information. I just like randomly came up. I'll put it. can yeah Yeah, I'll totally link it.
YouTube Inspirations and Personal Interests
01:05:42
Speaker
Yeah, I'll link it to the, in the chat if people are into that kind of jazz, because Yeah, I had to go to like manufacturer website and download all kinds of stupid but white papers to try to learn this shit. And this guy just compiled it also. Anyways, yeah, that and then, um yeah, more GitHub stuff on just stupid printer stuff. Because like I said, I'm addicted to that. And that's all I spend my evening hours doing. Instead of looking on YouTube, I'm just pissed around on GitHub. So, yeah. choose yeah Yeah, that's what I've been at.
01:06:09
Speaker
why is this website in another language and why does it say except cookies? How many times do I have to accept say except cookies till they just deliver me cookies? yeah Yeah. I don't know.
01:06:22
Speaker
Yeah. That whole madness. Yeah. Whole thing's a little annoying. Um, There was a, I'm pretty sure it's on his website. We discussed this guy last week, I think.
01:06:35
Speaker
Roitz 4.0. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He had a thing about induction heaters. Okay. Okay. On his YouTube channel, I think.
01:06:45
Speaker
Where he made his own heat shrink similar to what your setup is. Nice, okay. So yeah, he put a video out this week of printing a adding mist coolant to his 3D printer.
01:07:00
Speaker
to try and Oh, I think, yeah. yeah I think I came across that. Danica was getting annoyed at me because I wanted to watch it instead of watching like a TV show. like, no, this is way more interesting. The quality he's getting on a three-minute bench she is insane if he can get it to stick to the bed because adding water to the mix isn't helping. But yeah, very like very interesting, that rabbit hole that he's going down.
01:07:23
Speaker
I mean, probably eight or nine hours of video already, if not a bit more that he's put out on it. i love I love all that stupid geeky stuff. Like, what's one of my favorite channels? um It's a guy that works for Valve. Why am I spacing on his name too?
01:07:37
Speaker
um applied Applied Science. Oh, I didn't know he works for Valve. oh yes I don't know if you follow. yes, follow him. he used to work for Valve. nearly built a water jet because of him. Oh, he has so many cool videos. Just like total oddball and like deep, deep technical videos. Like really, really good stuff. so Yeah, this stuff's really good.
01:07:58
Speaker
Yeah, breaking taps is also really entertaining. Yep. Yep. Yeah, that guy's doing some cool stuff. Yeah, he's got that medicenter he's got. It's quite spiffy.
01:08:09
Speaker
Yep. Yeah. Not cheap to say. I know he makes me want to machine. Yeah, I was looking at my fourth accident. I'm like, you know what? This would be fun to machine as a little rover, like one of the Mars rover wheels. I really want to just machine one of those just to have it sitting on my bench.
01:08:25
Speaker
So I'm like, I could do it. I can do it. There's no reason I can't do it. Yeah, but it's not the highest priority at this point. No, that one doesn't make the beer taste better, but that one makes Kurt's brain happy. So that's something we know Danica was giving me a bit a shit over the weekend. Cause I haven't taken any time off in the last like three or four weeks.
01:08:45
Speaker
And I'm like, I'm pushing really hard right now to get that point over the finish line. And then we're going to push hard again next month to get the second batch out. And then maybe I'll take it, take a few days off. luck But right now we're in the thick of it, trying to make our overnight success after six years.
01:09:02
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah exactly overnight success took me six years to get you but yeah we're trying to to push something over the finish line and that you've got to decide where your priorities lie and the being sick thing has not helped this week yeah i get that he doesn't yeah i had a hot ginger so i'm still like half alive right now did you see the link i sent you in the chat I see the link. I have not clicked it. Oh, that's the... boom Nice. It's the greatest meme. Our greatest gif.
01:09:33
Speaker
Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. That's the best. um to get dedicated to put it in in as well into the show notes because I'm a savage like that. It's hard to link. Someone put it in the Taps and Patience Discord.
01:09:50
Speaker
and That's a good way to ruffle feathers. Yeah.
01:09:55
Speaker
But that is one very divisive character in the industry. No doubt. Yeah, no doubt.
Machining Equipment Exploration
01:10:04
Speaker
Yeah. so i don't know if you saw the unboxing of the Swiss <unk>s Nano. it's on of ah Yeah, I saw that. I it you still haven't watched it. like You've just got to watch it and take it with a pinch of salt.
01:10:16
Speaker
um yeah yeah but black Yeah. Very interesting. Nice little machine. Holy cow. I honestly, if that little thing had a sub spindle, I would have bought it like forever ago. It is so cute. It has a sub now.
01:10:28
Speaker
The Swiss Nano. Yeah. No, it doesn't. No, it has a main spindle, but it doesn't have a sub. Got a sub. The Swiss Nano. The Swiss Nano. Again, the Tornos Swiss Nano. Oh, okay.
01:10:43
Speaker
I know which one you're talking about. If you have a link in, because that would actually be something people may be interested in. That little micro desktop Swiss? Yes. The one that Axsmith has and they're using to reproduction parts allegedly.
01:10:58
Speaker
I can't see that being super accurate. Nor can I. And I looked at him like, the price, I got to pick one of these up. And then I'm like, oh, it's missing a bunch of shit I would actually want. um And I just kind of glazed over. But I thought i thought you meant it did. i was like, oh, I'm buying it right now. No, no. Tornos, that's a little different price.
01:11:13
Speaker
little bit different. um Yeah, I just thought it was Nano, and that's what comes up first is Tornos. Sorry, I've forgotten about that little machine because i also looked at one a while ago when I saw it on the Hacksmith channel.
01:11:26
Speaker
Yeah, APSX Nano. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got I'll see if I can find the link for people. I've got a... I'm waiting for the page to open, but it's a really badly made page.
01:11:37
Speaker
There we go. Cool. I've got a link. um Yeah, it's ah it's an interesting little machine. I think if you're ah hobbyist, sure, but I cannot see that thing being insanely rigid or repeatable.
01:11:49
Speaker
Nor can I, but I mean, it's like the... this It's 10 grand. like Yeah. It's... The way that... but Also, the way they do their... Their...
01:12:01
Speaker
connecting their work to the, to the spindle motor? i don't know if you've had a look at that. yeah ah I don't know. It's been a while since I poked around looking at it. I'm kind of just, it's literally a rigid coupling. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Like there's some, some like not so great stuff about it, but also for the price or what do you really expect?
01:12:24
Speaker
Right. Yeah. You're yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're a 50 times cheaper than any kind of Swiss machine. you're getting what you pay for there. But I think it could be a very interesting option for people who want to get into turning things, small components at home or in their small shop. Yeah.
01:12:43
Speaker
Like it's not a bad, not a bad value proposition. It does, sorry, it does up to a half inch bar. Yeah, I can't imagine that. I see Chatter City, but I mean. I don't think so. If you've got a decent guide bush, it's super short coupled.
01:12:58
Speaker
It would be more a case of realizing that you're driving a wet noodle and not an epoxy ground art monster. Yeah, that's true. like yeah As we discussed, it's amazing what you can do on wet noodles.
01:13:13
Speaker
Absolutely. The Kurtz and the Slowio being the case in point. absolutely yeah no i shouldn't i shouldn't poopoo on things with little bit a little bit time and effort you can yeah you can make some magic with some that small stuff so but it also there's a point of diminishing returns when you're trying to make a living on a wet noodle yeah yeah no doubt yeah exactly yeah like when you're when you're chasing comma one of a mill and the other guys are like cool we're holding like 10 microns no problem That makes a big difference difference when you're trying to get work. Like it's a huge,
Balancing Work and Personal Life
01:13:46
Speaker
huge thing. It's something I ran into a while ago. Like, well, when I got Bertha first running, I'm like, yeah, I can probably hold comma one.
01:13:54
Speaker
And they're like, ah cool. Uh, we need it a bit tighter than that. I'm like, well then do it your fucking self. Like this machine, 20 years, you're happy with what you get. So like, yeah, you can do accurate work. It did accurate work last week.
01:14:09
Speaker
Did accurate work today that I was running plastic. Yeah. Yeah. It's, what's it? don't know what there's a saying in I've forgotten it.
01:14:20
Speaker
I'm not having a cold. It's the best. forget shit all the time. Anyway, let's, ah we'll start wrapping up. Kurt, what are you up to today? assume, Joe and Fabric. Yeah, it's still holiday, so I'm probably going to chill the family a little bit. Probably try to button up this printer so it can kind of be off my mind so I can kind of free my mind to do other stuff and yeah get a bunch of orders out. And then and then we're going to finish recording the Jamie video so I can post it on YouTube before your product goes on sale so that we can drive more people.
01:14:52
Speaker
Yeah, I want to swamp you. I want you to have lots of work. and Yeah, but was actually saying to Danica, I might consider a ah pre-order just so that we can gauge numbers, not a full value pre-order like a $50 pre-order.
01:15:06
Speaker
So sell out what's sold out and then $50 refundable pre-order just that we can see, okay, cool. Is the interest for 500 units is the interest for 50 units and then I don't end up with a bunch of units spare to go on my machine. I don't really want to double stack them on my machine.
01:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, sure no doubt. Yeah, not a bad idea. Yeah, so I don't know. We'll see. it's Because if the interest is crazy, then kind of want to capitalize on that.
01:15:33
Speaker
So yeah, just have to. We'll see how that, we'll take that as it comes. so Nice. So he's going to have some ginger tea tonight and take it easy? I already have had one, and I can't have one for another six hours.
01:15:46
Speaker
Because apparently renal failure is not fun, according to the WAF. so she's been very strict so i had one at i don't know a number seven o'clock um so i'll go have a what is in your what's in your ginger teeth if it causes renal failure um panacetamol I don't know. Oh, okay. yeah So it's not just ginger and water.
01:16:11
Speaker
Yeah, no, no. It's like have four today or die. Like have more than four and you go into renal failure. So I've been told not. I had one this morning when I woke up and then. i gotcha it's like I don't think I had one in the middle of the day.
01:16:26
Speaker
I've been having four a day for the last like three or four days. like I literally went to the restaurants up the road with family because I a family fun day thing with jumping castle and whatnot with a hot ginger in hand and walked up there and sat at the table, drank hot ginger and then ordered a drink.
01:16:42
Speaker
Yeah, because family time. Then I had to chase my nephew down the freaking driveway. So they blocked off the one end and then we told the kids that beyond the barrels is lava and the little one looks at us and just starts walking up the road.
01:16:57
Speaker
So then my brother-in-law runs after his latte and the kid ducks behind the cars. So then I got talk to watch my brother-in-law try find his son. It was quite entertaining. Now get no point dangerous, but entertaining.
01:17:09
Speaker
Yeah. Sick. It was quite fun. Okay. Sweet. Yeah. And then, uh, yeah, I'm gonna a drink of tea and then go and sleep. And then tomorrow. Be a productive member of society and do some anodizing. Right on.
01:17:22
Speaker
Yeah, anodizing, my favorite.
Podcast Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:17:24
Speaker
I look forward to not doing that in-house at some point.
01:17:30
Speaker
ah Sweet. Anyway, guys, thank you very much for listening. Please ah give us a fancy review if you're on Spotify, Apple Podcast. Like and subscribe if you're on YouTube. And if you're on either of those, we're on the other one too.
01:17:42
Speaker
So you can watch us twice if you really want to. And then there will be an after show. So for the Patreons, enjoy the after show. For the non-Patreons, join Patreon and then you can see the after show. ah Thank you very much for listening and we will see you next week.
01:17:56
Speaker
Take care, all.