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Running Shoe Questions Answered: Points of Shoe Episode 1
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In this new series from The Run Testers, the team answers your running shoe and tech questions.
This week Tom and Nick talk Alphafly 3, Puma Velocity Nitro 3, should you buy the latest carbon plate shoes? and loads of other stuff.
If you have a question about running shoes that you want us to answer on the pod, send us an email to [email protected] with "Points of Shoe" in the subject line.
Big thanks to Fear of Tigers for the killer intro music. You can listen to more of his stuff over at https://www.patreon.com/fearoftigers
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Transcript
Introduction to Mailbag Episode
00:00:01
Speaker
Hey Tommy from the Runetesters and welcome to another Runetesters podcast. This episode is our mailbag episode so this is where we go through some of the questions that you've asked on the channel and just answer them. Simple as that. Let's dive in and see what questions you have posed.
Naming the Mailbag Segment
00:00:26
Speaker
Evening, Nick. How are you doing? How are you doing? Oh, good. How are you? Not bad. Can't complain. This is the first of our letterbox. We've got a letterbox. Mailbag, letterbox. Mailbag. Mailbag's better, isn't it? Mailbags. Or American, is it? Letter post box. I don't know. Mailbag. What are they used to call it on like going live and stuff? I'm sure it was mailbag on that.
00:00:51
Speaker
Yeah, maybe then, yeah. So what was it called on BBC Radio 4? Points of view. Points of view, was it? Yeah, points of view. I'm sure there's a clever running shoe wordplay there. But have a think about it. Points of shoe. Points of shoe. That's actually very good.
00:01:10
Speaker
There we go. That's it. That's live brainstorming. For the peak behind the curtain there, yeah. Points of shoe. Very nice. We can still talk about watches and stuff as well, can't we? Yeah, I think people won't complain.
Purpose of Mailbag Episodes
00:01:24
Speaker
Okay, so the point of this podcast is we tried to do a bit with the other podcasts, but it's quite hard to fit in
00:01:31
Speaker
lots of questions, because we don't have a lot of time in the podcasts. And we have a problem on the on the channel that we get so many questions now, on videos, on email, and we just don't have time to do it. We're spending a lot of time reviewing shoes, filming and editing that we just never get around to it. And it does annoy some people because it chases up on some of the questions.
00:01:51
Speaker
Yeah, it kind of ends up you don't answer any of them, because if you answer one of them, you feel that you feel like you should have answered all the other ones as well. But yeah, like I say, we're very busy at that. And we all have jobs as well as the run testers. So it's tricky to get to them all. Yes, point to point to make that we all have full time jobs. So we're not a business that's doing this all the time. No.
00:02:14
Speaker
So yeah, so the idea is that we're going to, we're going to go through some of the comments, pick out some of the questions that we can answer.
Types of Questions Addressed
00:02:22
Speaker
And in future, if you're listening to this podcast and you have a question, then you can email us at team at the run testers.com. But we're going to set some rules on questions because we do get some quick questions through and they're very, very specific and personal. Sometimes we'll get.
00:02:37
Speaker
emails through where people really give us, I don't know what, like the life story about running, but when they're injured, about what types of run they do and things like that. If your question is very specific to you, then we're probably not going to answer it. But if your question is useful to other people, then we'll add it to the list and we'll probably answer it in this podcast series.
00:02:56
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. And I will say, in general, we don't answer anything injury related because we're not physios. Injury problems are something you should really see an expert about. No shoe is going to fix that and you're not going to get advice from some guy on YouTube that will fix your injury forever. So we'll steer clear of those. Maybe whack points of shoe in the subject line so we know it's the... Yeah, points of shoe, yeah. Shouldn't see people using that. But yeah, generally, yeah, think of questions that other people are going to want answered as well because
Is Puma Velocity Nitro 3 an Upgrade?
00:03:22
Speaker
We give a little bit of shoe advice individually. We're here and there where we can, but do quite a lot of that with people I know already, and it's easy to do that with someone you know. It's tricky online. Yeah. So we're going to be picking out the sort of questions that we can talk about that are going to be beneficial to anybody listening to this podcast about shoes and sometimes watches and other kit. Yeah.
00:03:42
Speaker
Well, let's dive into the questions that I've got the moment. So first one I picked out is an interesting one. We've done a lot of stuff on the Puma velocity nitro 3 over the past few weeks. Somebody is asking and I can't actually pronounce the it's just like a load of letters and numbers. Okay, so
00:04:01
Speaker
Hold on. I'm trying to translate this. Is Blossie Nigeria 3 better than the 2? I'd say if it is, it's marginal. I would certainly say look for a deal on the 2. You've got a little bit more foam in the 3, which I think will help on longer runs and maybe longevity. But, you know, overall, I found the experience was very good in both shoes and I'd be happy getting the 2 myself. You, Tom?
00:04:24
Speaker
Pretty much the same, but I do notice that extra little bit of cushioning in the three. I don't think it massively changed my view of the shoe, but I definitely think that, we always say this, if you can get the old one cheaper, in this case, it's almost identical. So it's not like you're losing anything by getting the two. If you can get that cheap, and one of my friends bought it for £50 this week.
00:04:49
Speaker
Yeah, I've seen it 50 pounds, a few places at the moment. So yeah, I do think you'd be pretty happy getting the three slightly heavier because the extra foam, I wouldn't say that's a problem at all. Like the extra weight there is negligible and the foam is probably worth it. So, but yeah, I'd probably, if you're getting the two, even 20 pounds cheaper, I'd get the two. I agree. Okay. That's a nice, easy one. Good start.
00:05:11
Speaker
Okay, one for you, because I haven't tested one of these shoes. In our video for the Adidas Takumi Sent 10, the race test, how does it compare to the Streakfly?
00:05:22
Speaker
It's much better than the Streetfly. We did some comparisons because when the Takumi Sen 8 came out, these were the hot shoes, these low stack shoes, and the Streetfly had come out at a similar time. I think Streetfly is a nice shoe, it's a fun shoe, but it's got nothing like the propulsion and speed of the Takumi Sen. It's not got a plate in it, it's just got a little Piba shank. It's very light and it feels nice, but actually, interestingly, the race I talk about in the Takumi Sen 10 review, the five mile race there, I did the exactly same race in the Streetfly a couple of years ago when that came out in Victoria Park.
00:05:51
Speaker
At that time, I didn't run in the Street Fly faster over five miles than I had done in the Alpha Fly 2 on a worse course on the day of a back-to-back training block in a race. I do think the Zacumi is a much better shoe than the Street Fly. I think it's the best of all those low-stack racing shoes. It's just faster. It's pretty much as light. You get the extra propulsion from the rods. The Light Strike Pro foam is really good in a lower stack because it's
00:06:15
Speaker
quite, it's firm but still bouncy, whereas the Street Flies is quite soft, and it does feel great. It is a lot of fun, that shoe, but I just don't think it's got the level of performance. So yeah, Takumi, I think is the best shoe. Fantastic shoe, Takumi. Yeah, so much fun.
Is Super Blast Overkill for Short Runs?
00:06:29
Speaker
Okay, we've got one here from Stuart Clannachan. He's saying, I'm not going to get these names wrong because there's also a load of numbers after it as well.
00:06:40
Speaker
Is the Super Blast overkill for easy to faster 5K or 10K? Or is that versatility that means it can do it all? I think it can do it all. I think the Super Blast is almost by its nature overkill for everyone because it is so expensive and it's so big.
00:06:59
Speaker
but it is brilliant and it will do the runs he's talking about really well. I've kind of this year found that I've really looked at the Nove Blast 4 and the Rebel V4 as low-cost Super Blast alternatives. I'd use the same kind of runs. Super Blast is probably still a tiny bit better, but in terms of actual overall better, the value is such a big thing. So,
00:07:20
Speaker
I don't know, it would do the runs well right, Tom, but his overkill was really dependent on your budget, I guess. I think it depends. If this person is asking, is doing lots of different runs and he's looking for something that can cover him for those runs and the 5-10K, then yes, I think it's a good shoe and it can deal with a lot of stuff. If he's specifically looking for 5-10Ks, I wouldn't use the Superlast. I think it's very good, very versatile, great fun shoe to wear.
00:07:46
Speaker
But there's probably better shoes if you really stick into those shorter distances. It's fairly light shoe for the size of it. I was quite surprised when I saw the weight of it. But it's still quite a big shoe and there are sort of nimbler little shoes that I would use for 5-10k definitely.
00:08:05
Speaker
Yeah, I would say definitely the Rebel is exactly the use case I would have for it, which is a plateless, bouncy, lower stack shoe, but still certainly got enough stack and comfort for those shorter distances. It's lighter than the Superblast. It's much cheaper. It's a bit nimbler. You can even look at the Rebel V3 if you're just looking at those distances because the four has got a bit more supportive and wide, which is great for long runs, but again, 510K, I'd be very happily in the Rebel V3.
00:08:27
Speaker
So, yeah, like I say, it's kind of always overkill the Superblast. It won't do a bad job, but I would, if you are sticking to shorter distances, like Tom says, I'd probably be happier in, or just as happy in other shoes. Excellent. Good. Okay. This is quite a tough one, actually. I was mulling this over earlier. Which is softer, the Puma Velocity United Show 3, or the Saucony Ride 17? Softer, the Ride or the Puma? The Puma's a little bit softer to me.
00:08:53
Speaker
Yeah, neither of them particularly in the spectrum of shoe softness, neither of them particularly soft shoes. No. I think it's pretty close. I don't think it's like one shoe's soft and one's firmer. I think it's just a different feel to the foam. Puma has a very dense feeling foam, which means it doesn't necessarily feel that soft, but it does have a little bit of give in it. Whereas the Ride 17, the latest update to that foam, it is quite a firm foam.
00:09:21
Speaker
Yeah. I find. It is. Yeah. It's kind of one of those ones that's firm but comfortable and it's quite balanced. Yeah. I wouldn't say either of them are very soft. Like Tom says, I think you probably get... Yeah, they're pretty simple. I mean, the few, we've got that dual density setup, which... Yeah. I'm going to say Puma. I'm going to say Puma is probably
00:09:37
Speaker
It just feels, on the ride, just a little bit softer, a bit more give in it. I think that's probably even more noticeable for me, because obviously I heel strike, Tom doesn't, and it's got more of that foam at the heel, and I think it's a bit softer there in particular than the ride, which is a much more consistent feeling across the midsole, so I think the Puma is softer.
00:09:56
Speaker
Even though it's got a lower drop, a higher drop, I think that softener still carries into the forefoot a bit more. Okay, good. Okay, still on a similar vibe. Which is bouncier? The Boston 12, the Superblast or the Endorphin Speed 3?
00:10:14
Speaker
Again, a lot of this will depend on gait. And, you know, we land the kind of like, I'm a, I'm a shuffly runner. So, you know, I don't tend to get some, sometimes I get as much bounce issues out of other people. But I think all of those, the bounciest is the super blast. I think the other, the others have a slightly snappier, faster feeling ride. I think the super blast feels to me a lot more directly bouncy. It doesn't necessarily mean it's better in the same way, like the AlphaFly 2 is bouncy than the AlphaFly 3, but the AlphaFly 3 I think is a better ride in terms of speed and stuff. But I think the super blast is the bounciest of those.
00:10:43
Speaker
I agree. I think I've not tried the Boston 12. I'm tempted to pick a pair of those up at some point. Yeah. But I think there's a difference between bounce and that sort of propulsive energy you get from the speed. The speed is quite snappy. Yeah. It doesn't really feel bouncy. It's not like it's, you know, soft little bounce. No, a lot of it relies on the rocker, basically, quite a lot. Yeah. And that's where kind of the speed is. And, you know, it is, you know, it's bouncy and hard terms because the phones these days are all bouncy. But yeah, the Super Blast feels like a noticeably more
00:11:12
Speaker
bounce-geared shoe. Yeah, I go for the SuperBlust as well. Okay, next question.
What is a 'Super Foam'?
00:11:20
Speaker
This is an interesting one. It came off the back of the Hocka Mac X versus Sockiny Ride 17 video. How do you define super foam?
00:11:28
Speaker
I was just out on a run now, just before this broadcast, and I was mulling this over as I was running. What do you think? I think it's basically Peeber, a lot of the time, it's Peeber, or some kind of nitrogen fuse, supercritical foam.
00:11:44
Speaker
Mostly, the easiest way to define it is, are brands using it in their carbon shoes? You could argue about it for ages because Brooks' so-called super foam is a nitrogen-infused EVA that doesn't feel like a super foam at all to me. It's not just being a Piba foam because Puma now using different materials and there's nitrogen-infused stuff that's really good foams but
00:12:08
Speaker
Yeah. I suppose there's two ways of looking at it. There's what the brands are calling the SuperFoam and there's what people are actually calling the SuperFoams because there's a lot of foams that... It's tricky, isn't it? Because you could just blank it and say it's the lightest, bounciest foam for racing. But there's a lot more foams out there now that do other stuff other than that. So it's not really a term that anybody really uses that much. Who used to said it in that video, which is why... Yeah, I wouldn't...
00:12:37
Speaker
I mean, super in general, just a bit more tenuous now because all the foams and tech is going into shoes that are not in any way super shoes. But basically, yeah, it's a shoe that it's a foam that they've found that is lighter and bouncier than average, I guess. In the past, it was moving on from the kind of EVA and TPU beaded foams that were fairly common to now something that's different because they've done this process of nitrogen or they've just used Piva, which is what everyone does these days. And if you go from the brand perspective, it's probably their most expensive
00:13:07
Speaker
High performance foam. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, it adds a premium to the price. Even then it gets confusing because obviously Nike have Zoom X and Recycled Zoom X. Is Recycled Zoom X a super foam? Because it doesn't feel the same. And yeah, so I wouldn't worry about it. Probably be my video. Don't worry about it. I'm not sure they are worrying about it.
Should Expensive Racing Shoes Be Used for Training?
00:13:23
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Okay, more on super shoes. So this chap is Mr. The Asian Gamer.
00:13:33
Speaker
is saying is the alpify 3 only for races or can you train in them three times a week i wouldn't want to for that price no well yeah exactly what's your budget like um i think even if you did have unlimited money i wouldn't train it that much like we talked we've we've done a marathon podcast training podcast and both me and you tom said that we do now most used carbon shoes for our hard sessions in the week but it's not the alpify i'm using like uh i would say
00:14:00
Speaker
Yeah. There's lots going on about research right now. He's using carbon shoes. He's going to injure you if you use them in training a lot. It's a bit tenuous. A lot of pros don't like using them. Every time I speak to one, they tend to say they don't use them for much because they're worried about injuries, stuff like that. But also, yes, the price is the AlphaFly. If you've bought the AlphaFly 3, I would say their percentage is very, very high that you have an old carbon shoe as well. The AlphaFly 3 isn't your first one, so you'd probably
00:14:26
Speaker
I use that for your training sessions and keep the Alpha Fly for a race, though, because I don't think it's not going to fall apart. I think it's going to be a reasonably durable shoe, but it's going to be at its best in a race the newer it is, I think. Yeah. Well, I bought mine as soon as they came out for 285 pounds, and I am definitely not using them for training runs. I've used them for three runs now, and now they're purely in the back of my cupboard waiting for a race. I'm not using this weekend, but
00:14:50
Speaker
I definitely wouldn't race. And because I ripped the bottoms off of any super shoe, terrified that if I take it just out for a little jog that I'm going to be wasting all that money. Whereas I got mine by chance. I had them earliest on the channel. So I was doing a lot of runs in for our reviews and I did a 20-miler and then the other day actually for marathon training and I'm in about 70, 80 miles in them now. And it's like already I'm at the point going, well, sure would like a new pair when it comes to London marathon. And it is a bit psychosomatic, but
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah, you could use them. I also think with carbon shoes, you need to be in the right place to use. If I just went for a run near me, just stayed around Chingford, dodging people and going on a carbon shoe is not a very good idea. It's not very stable. So I wouldn't use them that much. No, I might use them once a week. But again, I probably wouldn't use the outflow.
00:15:38
Speaker
Yeah, well it's probably also basically, if this guy is actually thinking he wants to use Ally 3s for training, there's probably better super shoes that can do both as well. Ally is probably one of the worst ones if you're looking for something that can do more than just the race day stuff.
00:15:54
Speaker
I mean, I'd definitely go for something like the, um, uh, I mean, even that new balance, I see a lead before I've been training in that this week because I'm less bothered about saving that for race day. Cause I don't think I'm going to use it for many big races, but that's an absolutely fine daily shoe. Quite comfortable door for pro last long time. Great training. I think actually the Adidas adios pro three is a brilliant racing shoe that can hack a load of training and not fall apart. And yeah.
00:16:19
Speaker
You know, yeah, like I said, the outflow would probably be bottom of my list to assure you to use a lot for training, having spent $285, wouldn't it?
00:16:26
Speaker
Yeah. Or just get yourself the Outfly 3 and then what was it that was like left a hundred pounds the Outfly 1 was the other day on some offer. Yeah. The random website if only Outfly 1 on foot. Yeah. If you can do that, that'd be great. Yeah. All
New vs. Older Carbon Plate Shoes: What's Better?
00:16:39
Speaker
right. Next question. Bit of a debate question. What is the benefit for people to get new car and plate shoes over older versions?
00:16:50
Speaker
Well, basically, it's whether you buy into the idea that the new version is better. I think we're pretty clear in most of our videos that a lot of the time, we're pretty happy to recommend getting an old carbon shoe given the prices of them these days, especially in the UK. I feel like the discounts don't seem to be the same in the US on old carbon shoes, but in the UK, nearly always find a previous generation shoe for ridiculous, or even a current generation like Adidas and Asics haven't updated their shoes in the old ones.
00:17:13
Speaker
At the moment, I think the Nike Air Fly 3 is the best carbon plate racing shoe. If you want to buy the best carbon plate racing shoe, you don't care about the money, I would buy the Nike Air Fly 3. If I was right now buying a shoe for myself, and I did care about the money, I would probably buy an old generation carbon shoe. I think I'd get the... Even the Bay Fly 3 now is reduced in sales, so I'd probably get that. Most of the time, we're not 100% that a new version of a carbon shoe is better than the old one. I think it's quite rare that we all say definitely the new version is the best, right?
00:17:42
Speaker
Yeah, completely. And even if we do, we often get quite a lot of response from people saying, no, I don't like the new one. I prefer the old one. And even when it's just a marginal, and then even when we do agree it is, it's often just a marginal update. It's not like it's night and day between them. So I would certainly, the value option is definitely to look at the old issues because the price is crazy and brands are releasing them every year still because it's clearly such a big area for them. And that means they're slashing the price. I mean, over Black Friday, you get the Adios Pro 3 for 50 quid in one size. Yeah, it's mad.
00:18:12
Speaker
Well, I would say that the industry has changed quite a bit. So in the maybe like four years ago when there weren't many people releasing carbon plate shoes, it was that somebody was bringing out something that was new and innovative and they'd been designing it for four years and eventually it'd come out and it had some technology in it which nobody'd ever seen before. In those days, there was like, you remember when the Vapefly Next% came out,
00:18:39
Speaker
the difference in that shoe. I'd no use the 4%, but I assume there's quite a big difference between those two shoes. Yeah, the stack was a fair bit bigger, droppers basically became the prototype of the modern race. Then you remember around that time, and then the other fly was the regulations came in and now all brands are working to
00:18:55
Speaker
what you can do with 40 millimeters of foam and a single plate. And actually, there is a limit to what you can do with that. You got to keep working on the foam, but the foam is only going to be 40 meters. What we're seeing now is there's a lot of brands that are not so much necessarily say improving, but they're just changing the shoes. So new versions are almost like a different type of shoe than the other shoe. Yeah.
00:19:19
Speaker
Puma is a good example of a brand that's really trying stuff out at the moment. It's really experimenting with shoes. It's not like the perfect shoe coming out. Sometimes we test our shoes and we're like, no, actually that experiment doesn't quite work. The newest shoe doesn't necessarily mean it's better. It means it's just different than the previous versions. Now, there are some shoes that that's slightly different for because
00:19:43
Speaker
I think if you look at something like the Nike Alpha Flight, Nike has got to be so careful in how they develop that shoe because they make a really bad version. That's going to be massive. You know, it's going to be the biggest one of their biggest wins. So it's yeah, it's very difficult.
00:20:00
Speaker
It's very difficult to say, but I mean, I would, if I went out and bought pair of shoes, I'd definitely just go and buy, you know, buy two's, I'll fly ones. I still think I prefer the I'll fly ones to the three, so. Yeah, exactly. Like everything you can get swept up in new shoes happens to us. You know, we're excited about shoes and there's certainly shoes on the market right now that I think, oh, there's room here for them to get better. Like they're good shoes now. Like the Puma Fast R2, for example. Ah, so there's a good shoe. There's definitely room for this to improve, trim the weight down.
00:20:26
Speaker
that kind of thing. And, you know, that'll be a lot of the changes you see in the few next few years will be like, if they don't try and claim some fantastic new foam, they'll just be trimming the weight down a little bit, rejigging the geometry or doing something like Mizuno where they're reshaping the midsole so they can get away with higher stack lights and certain points and stuff.
00:20:44
Speaker
Sometimes those things do work and you get it and you go, wow, absolutely. I don't know why nobody's done this before, but to get it before you know that is very risky. You definitely have to try and test it once, I would say. Yeah. I also would say that even when they do make something that is a genuine improvement, I do think the outliers and improvement and better than the others who's out there, we're still talking incredibly fine margins. I don't think me having the outflow on at London compared to me having
00:21:09
Speaker
like any other shooter like the Metaspeed Sky Plus or something like that is what's going to really make a difference on the day compared to like a couple of gusts of wind or something like that. So it's, yeah, I'd be happy to get an old shoe for sure. And yeah, like you said, you've got the tribe and tested route there as well. So and all it just, you know, you'll always find someone to tell you that older shoes better because people have a lot of loyalty to shoes that have
00:21:29
Speaker
one, you know, done them well in races. And that will give you peace of mind then. Yeah. And slight tweaks to shoes and things isn't what people expect. And so if, you know, you've been following, you've been buying all the shoes from a range for a while, a new one comes out. It's not that different. It's going to annoy you, isn't it? You spent £285 on it or whatever. And it's not delivering, it's not some amazing new silver bullet that's going to get you an extra five minutes off in marathon time. Cool. Okay. Well, that's, I think that's pretty clear then.
00:21:59
Speaker
Yeah. If you can get a cheaper, older version, that's probably the best option. Yeah. There's some concern. I just spoke to someone about this, actually, a shoe expert. It's like, what happens if a shoe was made three years ago and you're picking up in a sale now? Assuming Nike didn't keep making the Alpha Fly one, for example.
00:22:15
Speaker
But in our experience buying the shoe that's like that still felt just as good, right? So yeah, yeah, so I wouldn't be too concerned about that. As long as it's been stored somewhere correctly, you know, I mean, I picked mine off eBay and they still felt great. So yes. Yeah. Okay, cool.
Runetesters Review Process
00:22:31
Speaker
You got a question, haven't you?
00:22:32
Speaker
Yeah, loads of questions on the latest video. I think it's a fair question, and I think it's actually, it's a useful question to explain how we work on the Runtesters. So, loads of people asking why Tom is not in the Endorphin Pro 4 video, having been, you know, the flag bearer for the Endorphin Pro 3. Now, I can say that all of us were theoretically sent these shoes at the same time. They dripped in
00:22:53
Speaker
This is the shoes this is a trip to kind of peace meal i got one before some of the others and stuff like that so that's out of our hands but the main thing to say is that. What is it different these days but so do we start the channel we didn't get shoes for the run test we're all journalists who are covering shoes for websites and, you know that is still i'll make that is a job that is what we get paid for you know we get the money on the run test is obviously from youtube advertising stuff like that but i'm,
00:23:18
Speaker
It's not our day-to-day job. For example, we couldn't go, oh, I think Tom should have the shoe instead of someone else on the channel because all of us have to have the shoes for our actual jobs and to write reviews on them. That's why we're getting the shoes in mainly. Although it has changed a bit, some brands only know us from the run testers, I think, which is quite funny, having spent quite a large part of our lives trying to build up careers in this area to only get further from YouTube. That is the reason Tom is not the endorphin prophet. We didn't cut him out. We're not saving him for a special video.
00:23:47
Speaker
I meant to have them, they just haven't appeared and I'm crying myself to sleep at night. Yeah, exactly. My favourite comment, I think, was the guy who just predicted Tom's review for everyone, which was very helpful. He's probably not far off. He says he'll like them, but if you can get the Endorphin Pro 3 in a deal, that's just what we've just been saying. That's just about most shoes he says, isn't it? Yeah. But I think that's also explained. That's the process. We get shoes from Rams and retailers for our major. And this is also, I think,
00:24:15
Speaker
I think obviously people are very concerned about this in general on the internet. I think this is fair enough with the big movement influences. You must be biased, you're getting shoes for free.
00:24:23
Speaker
We all write for websites and you have done for a long time. It's how journalism has always been. You know, samples come into publications and that's how you review them. And if you were writing biased partial reviews because you've got something for free, you'd be, you wouldn't be a journalist very long, basically. And if people read a lot of the reviews that we write, I think you'd be pretty clear that a lot of them aren't biased because they're not very positive in some of them.
00:24:47
Speaker
I also say, yeah, just watch the reviews and, you know, usually you can make up your mind off that. But also you've got to remember that as journalists for a long time, we're incredibly entitled people and don't really get a kick out of getting stuff for free. So it's not like that's really changing. It's not really changing our mind in regards to around that much. We're just, you know, we just we get stuff in to review it completely impartially. And that's how journalism has been really.
00:25:09
Speaker
I don't know if that will change, but that's why we get the shoes. So it's not the case of we all got the Soconese in for the run testers and we decided Tom wouldn't get one. That is not our thought process. Yeah, I believe that was the case. I mean, I did. I have gone behind your back several times, the Soconee asked you to not send them to you, just to try because I know you already wind you up. I'm hoping that I end up with like a gold pair.
00:25:31
Speaker
Just an addition, faster pair. We've already found them on sale, haven't we? So we could, yeah. Sports per shoot. I'm not a website I knew that much about, but yeah, very good deals on shoots. Yeah, I've never bought any from them before. But we will delay the full review until Tom has them. I don't get how long it takes. Well, I'm desperate to get it because I've got borrowing a hard marathon this weekend. And last year was my PB. I was one, two, two in the soccer and endorphin elites. So it would have been nice to do the anniversary. Why don't you, you're seeing Mike Thursday. Why don't you borrow his shoes for the weekend?
00:26:00
Speaker
No, I don't want to burn down Mike's ones. That's true, yeah. I might destroy the outside on it. It's true, yeah. And also, as we were saying, Mike does have to review them for a couple of websites. Yes. But they can choose from you like them. I think they are very similar, I do think. I prefer the layer of HD phone myself a bit firmer under the forefoot, but I don't think it's going to be a big change. I've just done two monster marathon workouts on them. Nice. Well, I've got the new Mizuno Wave Rider.
00:26:27
Speaker
Rebellion Pro 2, which also arrived today for me. They're not wave riders, are they wave riders? Wave Rebellion. I also got today, but unfortunately in the wrong size, so I won't be joining Tom on the first run of those. I'm going to use the Hoka's, Cielo's. What a very tasty session tomorrow night. Do you see, by the way, the ASICs are training the new Metaspeed, so announcing tomorrow, I think.
00:26:52
Speaker
at the time of recording, so that's something else you would try. I'd try that out. It was just on Instagram, someone we know. It's very interesting if they go down the two version route. Yeah, well, they will be. And I've had a little look and play with them, but I haven't been able to get the actual shoes to test, unfortunately. What's your session tomorrow, Tom? I've got 15 times 1K. I did that a couple of weeks ago. I hated it.
00:27:16
Speaker
I've got, well, I did five at 330 in the last, then 320 and then five at 310, but it's a hundred meters recovery. So I'm going to see how long I can stretch that out basically. I didn't do that. I didn't do 50 times 1K. I did 50 times three minutes, something I can't remember, which is basically 50 times 1K for you. So I've got 10 minutes at half marathon place, three times five minutes at 10K pace, and then three times four minutes at 5K pace.
00:27:45
Speaker
Wow. So are these paces or intensities? Pace. My actual pace for the rest of this. That's a pain, isn't it? To find somewhere you can run those paces is quite tricky. Well, I'm going to go down the velodrome. Oh, that's 600 metre.
00:27:56
Speaker
Yeah, that looks good though, but you said it gets busy with people on bikes. Not at night, so I'd use it for my, because I'd normally do track sessions on a Wednesday at the proper track, but now I'm doing marathon training. I can't do my own session, so I've got to go, I use the cycling track and no one goes down there at night. It's quite dark, but it's fine to run in the dark there because there's nothing on it. There's a bit of a sort of camber on it, which is a bit annoying, but it's hurting my ankle last time I was on it because I did about
00:28:24
Speaker
30 laps of it. Last time I went to track, I'm doing these monster sessions for marathon training.
Upcoming Running Sessions
00:28:29
Speaker
It was the first time in ages I reversed the direction for some of the session just because just leaning in on the bends. I think I did 20k on the track last time. Tomorrow will be 20 odd k on the track.
00:28:41
Speaker
Well I hadn't even thought about that because I do constant laps around my park so I do like 20 laps of the park and my mate mentioned to me he's like if you keep running around that way you're gonna have one leg shorter than the other but it probably is actually will have an effect if you're doing that all the time aren't it constantly. If it's a tight bend yeah it almost doesn't matter if you just run upright on the bend on the track.
00:29:01
Speaker
Completely, it probably doesn't really change anything, but because you do lean into the bend, if you're running quick a bit, I do notice it a little bit. If you're doing that many, I wouldn't do it when I was doing like 10 times 400 or even 10 times okay. It's only when you're there for ages.
00:29:13
Speaker
Well, enjoy. I'm very excited to try this Hoka out that Mike's tested buzzing. But again, actually, I followed on for the question. People asked, why have you done a Hoka C.L.O. versus Alpha Flies? Because none of us have had both shoes yet. So now I do have both shoes by the end of the week. Too very difficult shoes to get hold of. Yeah, I've done 60K in the Hoka by the end of this week because I've got so many big runs to do this week. So I'll probably. Well, I may be using the Wave Rebellion Pro 2 for Brighton if I don't get the Pro 4 by then.
00:29:41
Speaker
Or the AlphaFly. Because I've basically got to do two half marathons before Boston and use those two half marathons to decide whether I go for the AlphaFly 3 or the Sockling Dolphin Pro 4 for Boston. Very well. Probably the shoe you've got, I guess. That's probably going to be what I'm going for. Maybe I'll go for the Rebellion Pro.
00:29:59
Speaker
Brilliant Pro is sick. It's just a bit scary for a full marathon, especially with your cars. Yeah. Right.
Closing Remarks and Encouragement
00:30:05
Speaker
Well, if you've listened to this podcast all the way through, thank you. Well done. Well done. And if you have a question, email us at team at the runtesters.com and we will, oh, and say points of shoes, points of shoe in the subject line. And we might answer the questions in the next podcast.
00:30:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm very happy to. Cheers for listening. Thank you. This episode of the podcast was presented by Tom Wheatley and Nick Harris Fry. It was produced by Tom Wheatley. The music was by Fear of Tigers.