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Why Leaves Change: The Science and Beauty of Fall Color
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In this fall-themed episode, hosts Alexis, Brett, Jessica, and Ray (the “Plant People”) celebrate the season with a mix of food talk, laughter, and horticultural insights. They kick things off sharing their favorite pumpkin-inspired treats— from homemade pumpkin bread to smoked butternut mac and cheese and even pumpkin tortilla chips.
The conversation transitions into the episode’s main topic: fall leaf color in Kentucky and beyond. The group discusses the science behind color change — how cool nights, warm days, and moderate moisture bring out the best reds, oranges, and yellows. Ray explains how a good growing season followed by a slightly dry fall concentrates sugars in leaves, leading to vibrant anthocyanin-driven reds. They also talk about the impact of Kentucky’s record-dry August, wondering how it might affect 2025’s color display.
Listeners learn about useful resources like the ExploreFall.com foliage map and Kentucky Tourism’s fall color tracker, which show when and where to find peak color. The hosts share personal sightings — from maples just beginning to turn to the rich reds of burning bush and sassafras — and discuss how elevation, frost timing, and species type influence local color patterns.
The team also dives into some fascinating plant physiology, explaining how the green pigment chlorophyll fades to reveal yellows and oranges already present in leaves, while reds form later from sugar accumulation. Their side conversation about variegation and plant adaptation connects the science of leaf color to everyday gardening.
The episode wraps up with everyone’s appreciation for leaf-peeping season, favorite scenic drives, and plans to visit Kentucky’s Red River Gorge and other colorful fall spots.
Kentucky Tourism Fall Color Tracker
The 2025 Fall Foliage Prediction Map
Questions/Comments/Feedback/Suggestions for Topics: hortculturepodcast@gmail.com
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Transcript
Pumpkin Delights in October
00:00:17
Alexis
Well, as we round out October, I feel like it's important for us to say ah favorite pumpkin thing we've had in October.
00:00:27
Brett
That was a hot launch right into ah right into a topic.
00:00:27
Alexis
What what is
00:00:27
Plant People
Wow. i was and
00:00:29
Jessica
Oh.
00:00:29
Plant People
That's a softball. That's a softball topic, Alexis. What?
00:00:33
Brett
What did you say?
00:00:33
Alexis
Listen, it's important.
00:00:34
Brett
ah Sorry, what was the question?
00:00:34
Plant People
What?
00:00:35
Brett
Favorite pumpkin type?
00:00:35
Plant People
Say it again.
00:00:35
Alexis
wait your Your favorite... Pumpkin thing you've had. i've been thinking snacks because as always I am, but I guess it doesn't have to be necessarily snack related.
00:00:46
Alexis
a Pumpkin thing you've had in the month of October.
00:00:49
Plant People
Hmm. Well, I was just eating mine, I guess. ah And our neighbors are wonderful. We've got multiple bakers around us. And our one neighbor, Catty Corner to us to the left, just made some really yummy pumpkin bread and also brought some sourdough bread and other various breads and cookies yesterday.
00:00:58
Alexis
Nice.
00:01:05
Alexis
Yum.
00:01:09
Plant People
was still warm. So I ate ah a quarter of a loaf of pumpkin bread yesterday.
00:01:13
Alexis
yeah I mean, if it's still warm, you have to, right?
00:01:14
Jessica
as
00:01:15
Plant People
mean, it was warm.
00:01:15
Jessica
As one does, right?
00:01:15
Alexis
Like, you have those calories don't count.
00:01:17
Plant People
And Reed said, who?
00:01:18
Alexis
Like...
00:01:19
Plant People
She only brought half a loaf. I'm like, don't judge me, Reed.
00:01:23
Brett
That's right.
00:01:23
Plant People
Yeah.
00:01:23
Brett
It's weird.
00:01:23
Plant People
But yeah, pumpkin bread.
00:01:23
Brett
It's weird that she did that.
00:01:24
Alexis
Weird. She only brought half a loaf, so strange.
00:01:25
Plant People
It was just like pumpkin bread, you know, just warm pumpkin bread. That's so far that that's nailed it.
00:01:29
Alexis
ah Yum.
00:01:30
Plant People
It was still warm. So shout out to the neighbors. Thank you. Neighbors.
00:01:34
Brett
Wow. Does butternut count as a pumpkin?
00:01:36
Alexis
What about you guys?
00:01:37
Brett
Okay. butternut count as a pumpkin
00:01:37
Plant People
Oh, totally.
00:01:38
Alexis
We're going to count it.
00:01:38
Plant People
It should.
00:01:39
Alexis
Yeah, we're going to count it.
00:01:40
Plant People
The Gord family.
00:01:40
Brett
okay
00:01:42
Plant People
Sort of.
00:01:43
Alexis
Cucurbits. Let's talk about cucurbits.
00:01:43
Plant People
yes gri but ic Yeah.
00:01:44
Jessica
I was like, yeah, that's cucurbit.
00:01:44
Alexis
Yeah.
00:01:46
Brett
um Well, in that case, some pickles that I had.
00:01:48
Plant People
ah Well, that opens up some possibilities.
00:01:48
Brett
no ah Sorry. ah So but to make butternuts, we like to smoke them. So peel them, quarter them, get the stuff out and smoke it and then add it to things.
00:01:56
Plant People
Oh, yeah.
00:01:57
Jessica
That sounds good.
00:02:01
Brett
And so we added it to did a a chili one day and then I smoked enough.
00:02:06
Alexis
Yum.
00:02:07
Plant People
Oh, that sounds good.
00:02:07
Brett
And then one of my favorite things that Annie makes this time of year is a... butternut mac and cheese. So it's a butternut blended cheese sauce.
00:02:15
Alexis
Yeah, with smoked butternut.
00:02:18
Plant People
Oh, wow.
00:02:18
Alexis
a
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Brett
And then you mix it, mix it with the stuff and then, and then bake it.
00:02:21
Plant People
Mm.
00:02:22
Brett
um And so with smoked butternut it is, it is the next level. If you can imagine.
00:02:26
Alexis
I'm into it. um I'm asking for that recipe.
00:02:28
Plant People
Makes a good flavor, makes it better.
Exploring Fall Flavors: Squash and Chips
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Plant People
I love it.
00:02:30
Alexis
Jessica, what about you?
00:02:31
Plant People
That's smoking.
00:02:32
Jessica
I'm trying to think if I've had anything more unique this season.
00:02:35
Brett
Yeah. I haven't had anything in proper pumpkin. Yeah.
00:02:38
Jessica
Yeah.
00:02:38
Alexis
I literally just had my first pumpkin thing yesterday, so no judgment.
00:02:39
Jessica
I...
00:02:42
Plant People
Oh, wow.
00:02:43
Brett
so that So you stacked the deck for yourself there of having something.
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Jessica
Oh.
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Alexis
Correct.
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Plant People
Yeah. It's fresh on your mind.
00:02:46
Alexis
You won't let me go first, so yeah, I'm going to stack the deck for myself.
00:02:47
Jessica
Oh, man.
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Brett
Yeah.
00:02:49
Jessica
You did...
00:02:49
Plant People
Yeah. Nailed it.
00:02:49
Jessica
Yeah.
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Brett
We did know Ray was going to have good answer, to be fair.
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Jessica
Something that I think about that I have not had this season is a pumpkin mac, a macaroon, right?
00:02:53
Plant People
yeah nailed it
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Alexis
That counts.
00:03:00
Brett
no Ooh.
00:03:00
Alexis
Mmm,
00:03:01
Jessica
have a coworker who makes those and the filling is perfect.
00:03:04
Alexis
Delicious. Yep.
00:03:07
Jessica
It's delicious.
00:03:07
Plant People
That does sound amazing.
00:03:07
Alexis
Yeah, it's delicious.
00:03:07
Jessica
I still think about those.
00:03:10
Alexis
they are They are something that you remember and think about. Well, i bought these yesterday and sounds weird, but so good as a savory girly.
00:03:20
Alexis
They are pumpkin tortilla chips and sounds strange. I get it. They've got pumpkin seeds in them and pumpkin puree in them. And they have just like cinnamon, nutmeg, but then salt.
00:03:32
Alexis
So it's like not necessarily sweet, um but has like that cinnamony like flavor. Oh my gosh. They are so good.
00:03:41
Brett
Wait, this a TJ acquisition. ah tj acquisition
00:03:44
Alexis
Yeah, it was on an end cap and I was like, these are mine and
00:03:48
Plant People
These are one home.
00:03:48
Brett
Trader Joe's.
00:03:48
Alexis
They lovely.
00:03:49
Brett
Trader Joe's.
00:03:50
Alexis
So delightful. um Not normally something I would buy, but I was like, hey, I'm and i'm in a pumpkin mood. It is October after all. So, but you know what else happens?
00:03:59
Brett
Yeah. I called, I called Alexis. I called up Alexis and she said, and I said, so what's, you know, I think i was just checking about something.
00:04:02
Alexis
Oh, yeah.
00:04:05
Brett
What's going on. She's like, well, I'm at Trader Joe's and I immediately hung up the phone. Cause I was like, this is not the time to interfere, to get in between. I'm just like, I will call it literally anytime other than this one.
00:04:13
Plant People
Don't.
00:04:14
Alexis
Yeah.
00:04:17
Alexis
I have, like, one thing that I can't get anywhere else at Trader Joe's, and so I have to go, like, every two weeks to get it now that I'm addicted and I'm in Lexington often enough.
00:04:26
Brett
What is it?
00:04:26
Alexis
And they are...
00:04:26
Brett
What is it? What's the name?
00:04:28
Alexis
um They're a type of cookie, they're a meringue cookie. So it's like like little dollops of meringue that are like freeze dried.
00:04:35
Jessica
h
00:04:36
Brett
Yeah,
00:04:38
Alexis
And they're just like, they kind of melt in your mouth like those um peppermints, you know, those one peppermints that kind of melt in your mouth really easy.
00:04:43
Brett
yeah. am
00:04:44
Plant People
Little pillows.
00:04:44
Alexis
So they either do that, right.
00:04:46
Plant People
Yeah.
00:04:46
Alexis
Or they've got the perfect crunch. And so they're just like the nice this nice little light thing.
00:04:49
Plant People
Yeah.
00:04:49
Jessica
Right.
00:04:52
Brett
Is there like a flavor profile to them?
00:04:52
Alexis
And I, yes they you know what they taste like?
00:04:53
Brett
Do they like...
00:04:56
Alexis
They taste to me like um Lucky Charms marshmallows.
00:05:00
Plant People
o
00:05:00
Brett
Oh, I was not expecting that.
00:05:00
Alexis
very specifically.
00:05:01
Plant People
That's not bad.
00:05:02
Brett
Wow.
00:05:02
Plant People
they had That took a turn, but I'm not opposed to it.
00:05:03
Alexis
Yeah, like exactly, exactly like them, just in like a ah chunk of a cookie.
00:05:05
Plant People
Yeah.
00:05:05
Brett
So evocative.
00:05:08
Alexis
And for those of those people who maybe want to indulge in more sugary things, but they're trying not to like overdo their, you know, an intake of stuff, they're also very low in calories.
00:05:17
Plant People
I don't try that. I just go all in. I go all in.
00:05:20
Brett
What's wrong with you?
00:05:22
Alexis
So um that's a nice little, listen, they're like pure sugar with low calorie.
00:05:22
Brett
Oh, okay. Yeah,
00:05:23
Plant People
um Oh, okay.
00:05:26
Brett
yeah, yeah.
00:05:29
Alexis
I guess is that's a win in my book.
00:05:31
Brett
Yeah, it's like a physics that's like a math problem.
00:05:32
Plant People
plug local orchards.
00:05:33
Brett
It's like a physics
00:05:34
Alexis
but i
00:05:34
Plant People
Yeah,
Apple Treats vs Pumpkin Delights
00:05:35
Brett
conservation of energy.
00:05:35
Plant People
it's a, it's a problem.
00:05:35
Alexis
Pretty much, yeah.
00:05:36
Plant People
Brett, I know you went to Evans. You didn't get anything pumpkin-y out there. I mean, know you, the squash, but I mean, I want to know, want to, want to experience that with you.
00:05:40
Brett
I got...
00:05:43
Brett
I got a... ah So I got a um a hot apple cider. not i didn't get any pumpkin.
00:05:49
Alexis
Yes.
00:05:49
Brett
I got a hot hot apple cider.
00:05:51
Plant People
Oh, fall things, yeah.
00:05:52
Brett
And then and Annie got a apple cider mimosa.
00:05:53
Plant People
Awesome.
00:05:57
Plant People
Oh, did not know they had those.
00:05:58
Alexis
Yum.
00:05:58
Jessica
Oh.
00:05:59
Brett
I tried a little bit.
00:06:00
Plant People
Okay.
00:06:00
Brett
It was, it was, yeah, you know, I think I would choose, I personally would have chosen a tangier varietal of apple for my mimosa, you but, but, and I would also have chosen a little bit drier wine for my personal taste, but, ah but it was like a Prosecco and regular apple juice, ah but very good of a nice alternative.
00:06:02
Plant People
Was it pretty seasonal?
00:06:08
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:06:09
Alexis
Yeah.
00:06:15
Alexis
isn't
00:06:22
Brett
we had and And then we also split a apple hand pie,
00:06:28
Alexis
yum
00:06:28
Brett
I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think maybe – I haven't been to Stepping Stone for one this year, so I need to revisit. But I think maybe Evans might have the premier apple hand pie in central Kentucky.
00:06:40
Plant People
Oh man.
00:06:40
Jessica
And
00:06:41
Plant People
I did have one of those out there recently and it it was pretty good. It was it when I picked it up, it was heavy and I was like, this is a good sign.
00:06:49
Brett
The filling.
00:06:49
Plant People
This was, this this is a good thing.
00:06:49
Brett
They have a lot of filling.
00:06:50
Alexis
I like my pies heavy.
00:06:51
Plant People
Yeah.
00:06:52
Jessica
I need to get into the ah fall
00:06:52
Brett
Yes.
00:06:52
Plant People
Yeah, I like my pies heavy.
00:06:53
Alexis
Another shirt slogan for us.
00:06:54
Plant People
Yes. Perfect.
Embracing the Fall Spirit
00:06:56
Jessica
vibes, even though we're at the end month, because we just got back from the beach.
00:06:59
Jessica
So as you're talking about pie, we had key lime pie several times and lots of shrimp.
00:07:00
Plant People
Oh.
00:07:03
Alexis
Yum. My favorite.
00:07:05
Plant People
Love it. Love it.
00:07:06
Jessica
And so as I'm like trying to think about these fall things, I'm just like, man, I've just been in like next week, right?
00:07:08
Alexis
Jessica's living her summer life. like
00:07:12
Alexis
Next week. Next week with Halloween. Yeah.
00:07:15
Brett
Yeah, I mean, we it it's gonna slip away before you before we know it so um We also got while we were there, we also got a full size regular apple pie that we had intended to serve at a little get together thing we were having. And oops, we forgot.
00:07:32
Plant People
Oh, shucks.
00:07:32
Alexis
Oh my gosh.
00:07:32
Brett
So I just had some pie for the rest of.
00:07:33
Jessica
Oh, no judgment. We did the same thing.
00:07:35
Alexis
So sorry.
00:07:36
Brett
Yeah.
00:07:37
Plant People
Pie for supper.
00:07:37
Brett
Oops. We did. We did legitimately forget, but it was one of those forgets where i you think like, shoot, and then you look up and you're smiling.
00:07:42
Alexis
not mad about it.
00:07:44
Brett
Mm
00:07:44
Plant People
Oh, darn.
00:07:46
Alexis
Oh, such a bummer.
00:07:48
Plant People
oh
00:07:50
Brett
So what way ah ah Jessica, what are your concrete plans to to engage the fall spirit?
00:07:58
Jessica
i got to start carving some pumpkins.
00:08:01
Plant People
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:02
Brett
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:08:02
Jessica
Yeah.
00:08:02
Plant People
We haven't carved pumpkins yet.
00:08:03
Jessica
Pumpkins, you know, coming back from the beach, you know, down there, everything is still nice and green. But as, you know, made our way back home, some fall color has started appearing.
00:08:14
Brett
Oh, interesting.
00:08:16
Alexis
Queen of transition.
00:08:16
Jessica
um that was a good one, right?
00:08:18
Brett
like
00:08:19
Jessica
um But yeah, the fall color and carbon pumpkins and all the Halloween-y things coming up. So yeah.
00:08:29
Alexis
that
00:08:29
Brett
Do you all do anything with the, do your kid?
00:08:30
Plant People
going to
00:08:30
Alexis
you didn't catch on.
00:08:32
Brett
I feel like your kids have very specific and amazing like food requests. Do they have any that are fall related?
00:08:43
Jessica
That are fall related. Not so much. Like they do like, they do love some apple cider. I mean, they go crazy over the apple cider. It is only in our refrigerator.
00:08:55
Jessica
We have to buy the gallon and it's not, you know, it's gone instantly.
00:08:57
Plant People
Oh, wow. You have to be careful with the fresh stuff.
00:08:59
Jessica
They love that stuff.
00:09:00
Brett
yeah
00:09:00
Plant People
You don't want to go too hard with the fresh stuff. Yeah.
00:09:03
Jessica
Right.
00:09:03
Plant People
You can really mess up your belly.
00:09:03
Alexis
Tummy aches happen.
00:09:05
Plant People
Yeah.
00:09:05
Jessica
Right. they They love the the apple cider.
00:09:06
Plant People
Yeah.
00:09:08
Jessica
And of course, they're never going to turn down the cider donuts either.
00:09:11
Plant People
No, no, no, no.
00:09:11
Alexis
o
00:09:12
Jessica
Right.
00:09:13
Brett
is this Is this, are we officially in cinnamon roll season or is that cinnamon roll season like a year round thing?
00:09:16
Plant People
Oh, we're always in cinnamon roll.
00:09:17
Jessica
Oh, that's twenty four seven at our place.
00:09:18
Plant People
We're just more so in it. Yeah.
00:09:19
Brett
Okay. i didn't I didn't know if there's, you know, I gotcha.
00:09:20
Plant People
Come on, Jessica. Yeah.
00:09:22
Alexis
Cinnamon roll season is every season, Brett?
00:09:25
Jessica
Yes, that's every season.
00:09:26
Alexis
Uh...
00:09:27
Plant People
It's like sorghum season. i'm ah That's always in season with me, Jessica, just in case you forgot.
00:09:31
Jessica
My kids did request sorghum at a restaurant we went to, and I was kind of proud about that. that they And the waitress was like, what?
00:09:35
Plant People
That is pretty amazing.
00:09:36
Brett
well one of my ah One of my favorite...
00:09:39
Plant People
What?
00:09:39
Jessica
From this five-year-old? You want what? Yeah.
00:09:41
Brett
we yeah so we have Just everyone's jealous, we have a ah pod a podcast ah group chat where the funniest things you've ever imagined have been have been said, and we just share a lot of fun stuff.
00:09:48
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:52
Brett
so FOMO, please. ah but jet One of my favorites is that Jessica sent this picture, and it goes with other
Sweet Tooth Stories: Honey and Humor
00:10:01
Brett
stories of this same thing happening of her her children.
00:10:04
Brett
Just... at there at At Jessica and ah ah Sean's ah stand, just housing bottles of honey.
00:10:15
Brett
just straight to the dome, honey straight to the dome.
00:10:15
Jessica
Yep.
00:10:16
Plant People
drinking the honey.
00:10:18
Brett
And their kids are so adorable and so cute. But the cute face with the crazed honey look in their eyes, I could not.
00:10:24
Plant People
and
00:10:26
Brett
give me as sean My friend Sean would say, give me all of that that you got.
00:10:28
Plant People
Like poo bears, spirit animals.
00:10:32
Jessica
Chugging.
00:10:32
Brett
I love that.
00:10:33
Jessica
Chugging the honeybears down.
00:10:34
Alexis
Chugging honey bears.
00:10:34
Brett
Chugging the honey.
00:10:35
Brett
Like the product.
00:10:35
Jessica
And thankfully...
00:10:35
Brett
This is product that you were theoretically going to sell.
00:10:35
Plant People
get in the bear.
00:10:36
Jessica
Exactly.
00:10:38
Brett
They're taking it and just...
00:10:39
Alexis
They stole off the table.
00:10:40
Brett
housing it.
00:10:40
Jessica
Exactly.
00:10:40
Brett
It feels like Viking children. like theyre This is their pre-mead.
00:10:42
Plant People
By the pound.
00:10:44
Brett
They're just housing honey and then eventually they graduate to mead as they become older Vikings.
00:10:48
Jessica
And thankfully, they've only been stealing off our table at this time.
00:10:51
Brett
Yeah.
00:10:52
Jessica
That I know of.
00:10:53
Brett
That's good.
00:10:53
Jessica
Right?
00:10:53
Plant People
Winning. That's winning.
00:10:54
Alexis
That I know of. They're too cute. They'll never get told on.
00:10:58
Brett
So in fall they switch to sorghum it sounds like.
00:10:59
Jessica
They switched the sorghum.
00:11:00
Plant People
Yeah. All the sweeteners equally.
00:11:02
Alexis
I feel like this is a like and this.
00:11:02
Plant People
and
00:11:05
Alexis
I know this is not on topic and Jessica made such a beautiful transition. But this talk of sorghum reminds me I was recently in Columbus with my best friend and we went to ah ah nice, like a very legit Italian restaurant while we were there.
00:11:20
Alexis
and they actually had digestives, which are like your after dinner drink to help with digestion.
00:11:20
Jessica
you
00:11:26
Alexis
And it's like technically like an alcohol also called like grappa or or there's a lot of names after it. And so, um you know, I just picked one and it came out and it's, ah you know, it was real dark and I took a swig of it. And the guy, the the waiter, because he had suggested this one, said like, oh, what flavors are you getting? And I was like, blackstrap molasses is the first way I would go. And he just looked at me with this like dumb look and he's like,
00:11:50
Alexis
what? was like, you know, blackstrap molasses, they're real dark. And my friend who is not in agriculture was like, what is blackstrap molasses, Alexis?
00:11:58
Brett
we
00:11:59
Alexis
Nobody knows what that is. And I was like, oh, oh, yeah.
00:11:59
Plant People
It sounds, what is that?
00:12:01
Plant People
very provocative. Yeah. It's like, what the heck?
00:12:03
Brett
we would have looked at each other and said if it if it had been and me we looked at each other and said we need to leave this place doesn't know we need to leave oh that's right digestive sorry
00:12:08
Plant People
Yeah. This place is way too lowbrow.
00:12:10
Alexis
This place, we had already eaten. So, you know it was like a perfect time to be like, oh, this isn't a place for me.
00:12:15
Plant People
Yeah.
00:12:15
Alexis
So, but it reminded me of like the sorghum thing because I could have said sorghum and I thought I was going like a good route to say specifically blackstrap molasses. And the guy was like, oh, I get hints of bubble gum.
00:12:26
Alexis
And I was like, oh, okay.
00:12:28
Plant People
Sure. Let's stick with the blackstrap molasses.
00:12:30
Brett
Thank
00:12:31
Alexis
I
00:12:31
Plant People
Yeah.
The Science of Fall Colors
00:12:32
Alexis
liked it.
00:12:32
Alexis
I prefer. But um anyways, we are talking fall color today, as Jessica alluded to because it is fall and Kentucky peak season and we're getting into it.
00:12:33
Plant People
That's a little bit.
00:12:44
Alexis
And, you know, fall color is pretty great.
00:12:46
Jessica
Feels good outside.
00:12:48
Plant People
Oh, it feels great outside.
00:12:48
Alexis
It feels good outside.
00:12:49
Plant People
Yeah.
00:12:50
Alexis
um You get like you i I never understood people who just like to drive around like I have family members who are like, oh, we just went for a drive on Sunday and like any time of the year. This time of the year. I'm like, okay, that's on point.
00:13:02
Alexis
I get it. It's beautiful outside, but I don't get it in the middle summer. But that's just me.
00:13:06
Plant People
And we probably should you know throw out, we are actually recording this close to the time when it gets posted.
00:13:09
Jessica
Thank you.
00:13:13
Plant People
So we're going to be looking into the future a little bit today. Hopefully the cooler weather that we're getting ah today will translate. This will post on the weekend.
00:13:20
Alexis
cold
00:13:22
Plant People
Hopefully that will translate into some color. ah The cooler weather, and we've had some moisture lately. I don't know if it's too late. It's a fine line. ah But yeah, I'm hoping so.
00:13:29
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:13:30
Plant People
Knock on wood. And I'm real curious, Jessica, you came from down south. Normally color moves from north to south, color change in the fall in the U.S., right?
00:13:39
Jessica
Mm-hmm.
00:13:39
Plant People
Well, I've been getting reports and I'm kind of jealous of the Carolinas, parts of the Carolina mountains that may be due to elevation, or it could be that they've just had a little bit more moisture in August than we did.
00:13:45
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm.
00:13:49
Plant People
But I heard that there's some color showing up there that we're not even getting yet in Kentucky. I don't know. i was curious about that. I've not looked at my map trackers as much.
00:13:56
Brett
Makes me wonder about, um ah because we had that like heat dome that just parked over us this summer the corn sweat
00:14:01
Plant People
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:02
Alexis
The corn sweat.
00:14:04
Plant People
The corn sweat dome.
00:14:06
Alexis
It's a real thing that Brett didn't believe me about.
00:14:06
Plant People
but Which temperature's tricky.
00:14:08
Brett
i sweat.
00:14:10
Plant People
Yeah, we did.
00:14:10
Brett
I still don't believe it.
00:14:10
Jessica
We got an email about it.
00:14:12
Alexis
I'm calling Matt Dixon.
00:14:13
Plant People
and
00:14:13
Alexis
All right. Like.
00:14:14
Brett
I am not saying that it can't be proven.
00:14:14
Alexis
well
00:14:16
Brett
I'm saying I don't believe it. And that's a valid take. That's a valid take in 2025.
00:14:21
Plant People
That's valid enough. That's scientific enough. Valid enough. I don't feel like it's it's a thing.
00:14:26
Brett
a
00:14:27
Plant People
So, yeah.
00:14:29
Brett
Yeah, I don't know. So did you go through? You didn't go. Did you go through parts of Carolina at all to to notice Jess?
00:14:37
Jessica
I did not. I drove the entire length of Alabama, which is a ah ah long drive.
00:14:37
Plant People
Oh, okay.
00:14:41
Plant People
Gotcha. You went to Gulf Shores.
00:14:42
Brett
Oh, other. Yeah. Different beach.
00:14:43
Plant People
That's right.
00:14:43
Brett
Yeah.
00:14:44
Plant People
Yeah.
00:14:44
Brett
Yeah.
00:14:44
Jessica
so yeah, it was about like Tennessee-ish.
00:14:44
Plant People
I was going the wrong direction. Okay.
00:14:46
Jessica
So I started to see more of color starting to pop up.
00:14:47
Brett
hmm.
00:14:50
Jessica
Yeah.
00:14:50
Plant People
Yeah.
00:14:51
Brett
Well, I'll say just to endear Ray to our listeners even more than he's already endeared. To me, he is like the most excited about or like at least vocally excited about like seasonal.
00:15:03
Plant People
I'm the most obnoxious by far about it.
00:15:06
Brett
Well, just like seasonal plant changes. You know, he's like it's so excited. He was trying to get us to go out and we ended up not doing to go out to like see the rhododendrons when they were blooming and to see some of the spring ephemerals.
00:15:10
Alexis
He's deeply ingrained.
00:15:15
Plant People
Yes.
00:15:16
Brett
And we we all get excited about them. But Ray is like so excited about them.
00:15:19
Plant People
I get really excited about the seasonal things.
00:15:20
Brett
And it's the same way with the fall color. he when i When we were thinking about a fall color episode, I was like, this will be...
00:15:22
Plant People
Oh yeah.
00:15:27
Brett
I would i would like Ray to kind of share his insights. And of course, he has a tracker. ah He has a preferred... I asked him, like, so do you have a you have like the fall color tracker thing pulled up? And he's like, well, yeah.
00:15:41
Plant People
Yeah.
00:15:41
Brett
My favorite one is ah is this one. But then my second favorite this one.
00:15:43
Plant People
but you Hmm.
00:15:45
Brett
And my third favorite is this one. And I was like, this is...
00:15:48
Plant People
This is pitiful.
00:15:48
Brett
Gosh, I just love so much.
00:15:49
Plant People
This is pitiful.
00:15:51
Brett
Yes, please.
00:15:51
Alexis
Indeed.
00:15:52
Brett
So, so Ray, what, what do you use to track this stuff? What are you looking at? How you feeling?
00:15:56
Plant People
the There's so many good, as far as foliage maps out there, um you know, whatever state you're in, ah that's a good place to start. I know Kentucky tourism has a really great tracker on their map. And Jessica, you mentioned the mountains, you know, of Tennessee come through parts of Tennessee, the smoky mountains.com has a really good,
00:16:18
Plant People
They have a great tracker as well because that's one of the you know most popular destinations in the country. For people to go to see color change, the cool thing about mountains at elevation is you get that gradient. When you look on the mountain, if you go at just the right time of the year, you can see from green to you know all of the color change and and see the strata going on there. But one that I use a lot is, and a lot of other web websites reference this one, explorefall.com.
00:16:45
Plant People
And it's just their interactive foliage map. And it has a full screen map. When you bring that thing up, it's ah just ah ah fool ah full page of, ah you know, and keyed out in color of what what color is doing in the U.S. So i said that that's some of the ones that I use.
00:17:03
Plant People
Kentucky Tourism and then the map I just mentioned. And then Tennessee for all of our folks in Kentucky that love to go there for fall break or have been there. ah They have a really good foliage map. But this year, i mean, I'm just wondering what where are the color's going. I mean, it's so far it's been very quiet.
00:17:19
Plant People
um You know, the color change, of course, we all know it sparked by, you know, primarily change in day length.
00:17:23
Jessica
you
00:17:25
Plant People
And then, you know, temperature has a big part to do with that when we have not freezing nights, cool nights, warm days.
00:17:30
Alexis
cool Cool nights, warm days.
00:17:33
Plant People
It's just like shiitake mushrooms. We've talked a little bit about that on previous episodes. It's that temperature differential temperature. that triggers so much in the plant world, that difference in temperatures and moisture, which moisture is really interesting with fall leaf color.
00:17:39
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:17:46
Plant People
um If you have adequate moisture early in the year, but a drier fall as you approach fall actually concentrates the sugars. So that's an ideal setup. If you have those three things coming together, of course, day length, that's pretty constant.
00:18:01
Plant People
And then you have those temperature differentials and adequate moisture in the growing season with a drier fall. That's a good setup, but I'm a little bit worried about that really dry August that we had because that was a little bit early.
00:18:12
Plant People
You don't want it to be that dry that early.
00:18:13
Alexis
Well, yeah.
00:18:16
Plant People
Otherwise you just have tannins showing up, which tannins are brown.
00:18:19
Alexis
right they're just brown i am i am color for good i am uh encouraged versus past years i know um people would call a lot in like september and go my tree has lost all of its leaves or my tree is already brown and it was because we were so dry for so long um where this year you know like the
00:18:19
Plant People
Things get crunchy and they fall off. Yeah. Yeah. They're the color of the grass. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:44
Alexis
The trees still have their their leaves into late October.
00:18:46
Plant People
Yeah.
00:18:47
Alexis
i just drove through Casey County today and I was really starting to see those yellows pop and the hints of red on the maples.
00:18:47
Plant People
Yeah.
00:18:53
Plant People
I
00:18:55
Alexis
So I'm feeling positive that maybe we got just enough rain at just the right time to kind of push us to.
00:18:59
Plant People
think so.
00:19:01
Alexis
Looking at this map, which I didn't know about, Ray, that you told me about this, explorefall.com. So cool.
00:19:07
Plant People
ah Very cool.
00:19:08
Brett
Yeah.
00:19:08
Alexis
ah And like, so I slid.
00:19:08
Plant People
Yeah.
00:19:10
Alexis
So, you know, we're doing this episode just a few days early, but I slid this to October 26 when this episode will come out. And Kentucky, it's a far eastern southern Kentucky will be in peak color. And then it's still not quite peak color for the rest of the state. And I was like, this is perfect.
00:19:28
Alexis
This is so cool. But you can see the whole U.S. and like where peak is and slide that around. And it's fascinating.
00:19:34
Plant People
yeah if you want to describe the colors i mean ah right now i guess if lexus if you're looking at that the color is of course you know in michigan as you go up to the far you know northern parts and out west there's a lot of color change it's already past peak out west but yeah we're you we're just not there yet
00:19:48
Alexis
Oh yeah, yeah. Even in, yeah. Michigan is peak, like for when this episode airs, um the estimate of course is peak color, which um the the lower peninsula, which fits in my sister-in-law lives in the up most part of the Southern Peninsula.
00:20:06
Alexis
um So right near like Mackinac bridge and she, ah they have a drone. And so they do like, they go out and they live kind of near the, they live really close to a lot of trails and forest.
00:20:13
Jessica
Thank
00:20:13
Plant People
Oh man. Yeah.
00:20:17
Alexis
So they'll launch the drone up to get the color.
00:20:17
Brett
Thank you.
00:20:19
Alexis
And it is, I mean, it looks like the land is just like set on fire. It's so bright and brilliant red.
00:20:23
Plant People
ah
00:20:24
Alexis
It's gorgeous.
00:20:24
Plant People
Yeah.
00:20:26
Alexis
ah So cool.
00:20:27
Plant People
I really wanted to save that for a fall trip, but we, we explored the park there by the bridge last year.
00:20:27
Alexis
I can't.
00:20:31
Plant People
And I really want to get back up there for fall just for the, just leaf looking, you know, all the way up to Canada.
00:20:37
Alexis
Yeah.
00:20:37
Plant People
We were up in that area, but
00:20:39
Alexis
Relief lookers.
00:20:39
Plant People
It was at the wrong time of the year. Yeah, I want to be a leaf looker and go to the New England states. And and I think a lot of ah ah Josh, I mean, has anybody heard from Josh, former podcast host? Has anybody, a shout out to Josh.
00:20:50
Alexis
Yes.
00:20:51
Plant People
This is a test if you're still listening.
00:20:51
Brett
Has anyone heard from Josh?
00:20:53
Jessica
you
00:20:53
Plant People
Has anyone heard from Josh?
00:20:53
Alexis
He is alive still. He sent me some some funny memes about cats.
00:20:56
Plant People
Because ah okay, okay.
00:20:56
Brett
He is.
00:20:59
Plant People
Has he taken, who cares about the, cat has he taken any pictures of leaves? Changing, I want to know this from you.
00:21:04
Brett
he's He's mostly only, he's mostly talked about like the late winter like or the like really prolong prolonged and late cold and snow and everything else last year.
00:21:05
Alexis
No.
00:21:13
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:21:13
Plant People
Okay.
00:21:13
Brett
I haven't, I haven't talked to him about the fall stuff.
00:21:14
Plant People
Okay. Yeah.
00:21:15
Alexis
A couple, i I've talked to him recently, but I do remember a couple weeks ago, i was saying how, like, was when we got that, finally we got, like, a true break from the heat, you know, when it dropped below, like, 85 in early October.
00:21:28
Alexis
And he was like, oh, yeah, we have a freeze warning tonight. And I was like, me okay.
00:21:31
Jessica
Wow.
00:21:31
Alexis
Okay.
00:21:32
Plant People
Oh, well, brag about it.
00:21:34
Brett
Very impressive maple syrup boy.
00:21:35
Alexis
okay
00:21:36
Plant People
Yeah. He, he also probably drinks maple syrup by the bear, honey bear.
00:21:40
Brett
Yeah, that's right.
00:21:41
Jessica
Probably.
00:21:41
Plant People
It's a maple bear.
00:21:41
Brett
That's the state law to be fair.
00:21:42
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah, it's a requirement.
00:21:44
Alexis
In order to let you into the state, you have to c chug one on the border.
00:21:45
Plant People
It's a prerequisite.
00:21:47
Brett
yeah
00:21:48
Alexis
So if you throw up, you're turned away.
00:21:48
Plant People
yeah Yeah, to prove that you are the right star. Yeah.
00:21:52
Alexis
So.
00:21:53
Plant People
Well, not going to cut it.
00:21:54
Brett
So on that, on that, ah the, the map, I noticed you can, you can toggle between color report and peak timing. And so you can see like when the suggested peak timing and it's kind of interesting.
00:22:06
Brett
So the, the state of Kentucky is sort of carved into two, ah the Eastern part has something in common with like the Midwest and, uh, even parts of like West Virginia.
00:22:12
Plant People
Yeah.
00:22:18
Brett
And then the, the Western part of the state, more or less west of the Mississippi, I mean, Mississippi, west of the Appalachians is more in that.
00:22:23
Plant People
Yeah.
00:22:26
Brett
So the, it's in the kind of with Tennessee and and Carolina.
00:22:30
Alexis
Tennessee.
00:22:32
Plant People
ah
00:22:32
Brett
The eastern part is supposed to peak in in late October and the western part is supposed to peak in early November.
00:22:39
Plant People
Yeah.
00:22:39
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:22:40
Brett
But back on that, back on that, like why we would or wouldn't have a decent fall thing. So the the things that I heard you say, Ray, ah i think were if you have adequate moisture throughout the season and the trees are healthy throughout the season, then they have less of a tendency to produce tannins and drop their leaves early.
00:22:54
Plant People
Yeah.
00:23:01
Brett
Is that
00:23:01
Plant People
Yeah. From, I've heard it explained different ways, but if you have a good growing season, of course you have, you know, lots of sugars going through the plant because it's happy and healthy. And if you have a little bit of a dry fall that concentrates the sugars and that's, you know, all the things that makes ah the colors, the yellows, the reds, ah the reds are a little different, but they don't exist there until the fall, whereas the yellow colors,
00:23:22
Brett
Yeah.
00:23:23
Plant People
they exist and then chlorophyll goes away and you know, you see those, but all of those are concentrated because of the sugars, if it turns off a bit dry. So if you were to pick a perfect year from what I understand, it's, you know, uh, it's one of those years where you have a pretty good growing season with a slightly drier fall.
00:23:40
Plant People
with those cool nights, like Alexa said, cool nights and then the warmer days. And that usually leads, and you know, you don't want a hard freeze ah and because sometimes that just causes, if you have a hard freeze early, that just causes the leaves to drop.
00:23:47
Brett
yeah
00:23:53
Plant People
Then you see lots of brown and just, and we've seen a lot of, I've noticed a lot of leaf drop this year happening and during August.
00:23:55
Brett
Yeah.
00:23:59
Plant People
um
00:24:01
Brett
Yeah, me too.
00:24:01
Plant People
um So a lot of leaf drop early, which, you know, I started to get concerned then for multiple reasons. It was the driest August in history. here across the state as a state here in Kentucky.
00:24:13
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:24:13
Plant People
But yeah, lots of crunchy on the ground then. i mean, it's pretty bad when I noticed invasive species in my nearby woods, bush honeysuckle, all lost their leaves because they were so dry. Folks, when you see the invasive species, you know, going into protection mode and dropping leaves in August, you know, it's dry.
00:24:30
Plant People
That's as dry as I'd ever seen it.
00:24:31
Alexis
Okay.
00:24:32
Plant People
ah But yeah, i I think there's still hope for some pretty good color.
00:24:32
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:24:36
Plant People
Like Alexis, you mentioned some of the plants you were seeing Starting to pick up some color here in the central part of the state.
00:24:39
Brett
Thank you.
00:24:39
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:24:42
Plant People
I noticed on my drive to work this morning, I'm starting to see the red maples. I started, what else did notice? Of course you have, you know, bushes and other things in the landscape that's showing color, but winged uranomus, speaking of an invasive species that's in a lot of landscapes, they're starting to pick up a lot of that red color and they turn vibrant, like solid red.
00:24:55
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:24:58
Alexis
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:02
Plant People
But I'm starting to see some of those and walnuts are picking up some of the yellow.
00:25:06
Alexis
we have um ah red We have several red maples in our yard, some pretty mature ones. And I did i did get a ah Facebook memory you know from this week last year, and I had a picture of the dogs and they were sitting in the yard and you could see how and the the maple was pretty much completely red.
00:25:18
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:25:20
Brett
Yes.
00:25:22
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:25:25
Alexis
I mean, it was bright and shining.
00:25:26
Plant People
Yeah.
00:25:27
Alexis
And this year it's like they're just starting to get that red along the edges, which I thought was really interesting.
00:25:32
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:25:33
Alexis
Um, it's still like the, the tree looks good. It hasn't dropped a bunch of leaves, which meet, you know leads to that dry, um tells us things are too dry, but I'm like, okay. We're, we're probably two weeks different or at least 10 days difference.
00:25:47
Alexis
But I think we've got a lot of cool, like really cool coming up, um, nights coming up.
00:25:47
Plant People
and
00:25:51
Plant People
Yeah.
00:25:52
Alexis
So i'm wondering how fast that will trigger everything.
00:25:54
Plant People
And I think we have a, maybe a frost warning for central part of the state and Daniel, uh, talking to someone, uh, else here recently, Daniel, a friend and, um, was telling me that, um, they've had some frost on his windshield in Eastern Kentucky already.
00:26:08
Plant People
And I was kind of surprised by that as of the recording today, because I've not seen that in central Kentucky, but I think we have a frost warning,
00:26:09
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:26:15
Alexis
Mm-mm.
00:26:16
Plant People
So I think that'll ramp up.
00:26:16
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Can I end maybe to a freeze tomorrow, maybe?
00:26:20
Plant People
Okay. Yeah.
00:26:21
Brett
Thank you.
00:26:21
Alexis
Freeze warning, at least.
00:26:21
Plant People
So yeah.
00:26:23
Alexis
But the ground is so warm still, I think, that, like, I'm not sure all that heat, radiant heat that's going to be coming up out of the ground, I think, will protect stuff a lot a lot through these first couple frost freeze.
00:26:24
Plant People
you
00:26:35
Plant People
Yeah.
00:26:35
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:26:36
Plant People
The temperature is on the verge.
00:26:36
Alexis
fros-freze
00:26:38
Plant People
It's not a deep freeze, which is good for all of you leaf lookers. You know, once again, you don't want that quick hard freeze because then you have, You know, a little rain usually and just mass leaf drop.
00:26:48
Plant People
So hopefully we get some of the conditions. I still have hope for color. So maybe by this weekend when this airs on a Sunday at 5 p.m. typically, we're going to be picking up even more color because the conditions are kind of right for that.
00:27:01
Alexis
the
00:27:02
Plant People
And I hope it's going to I'm going to really pay attention this year to see what that really super dry August did. Because I guess Brad Alexis, we had a very wet year in Kentucky early on.
00:27:14
Alexis
It was wild.
00:27:14
Plant People
But that August, that August temperature, daca the temperatures we had then and the lack of moisture, I just don't know what it's going to do. So this year i have to pay particular attention to the leaf color.
00:27:25
Plant People
So if anybody out there notices that they have good color or don't have good color, we'd love to hear from you.
00:27:26
Alexis
Yeah.
00:27:32
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:27:32
Plant People
i would love to hear from you, especially just ah because I'm a leaf hunter.
00:27:36
Plant People
I love to go find the fall color. And I have plans to, you know, Brett mentioned the gorge, one of my favorite places to hike there going towards eastern. part of the state, I plan on going there and looking for leaves. And even if there's not great color, I will go where there's young stands of maples.
00:27:53
Brett
Mm-hmm.
00:27:53
Plant People
ah Usually they're pretty, they're pretty dependable. Even when it's not a good leaf color year, if you have young maple trees, you're going to pick up the reds and the yellows and, and sassafras, which is one of my ultimate favorites.
00:28:02
Brett
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:28:05
Plant People
And because I'm greedy, I want all the fall colors and you get all the fall colors on one tree from sassafras. You get the oranges, yellows, and reds on one tree
00:28:12
Alexis
I know.
00:28:14
Plant People
sometimes at the same time. So it's,
00:28:16
Alexis
That and,
00:28:17
Brett
Well, that sumac that I gave you, Ray, isn that you it has some really cool different variations of color.
00:28:21
Alexis
yeah, that.
00:28:21
Plant People
oh yeah, the cut leaf. Yeah.
00:28:26
Brett
What were you going to say?
00:28:26
Plant People
I remember that. And they, that there's some of the prettiest trees, especially like the one you gave me after hearing your description. I'm pretty excited about growing that guy up and seeing what it can do.
00:28:37
Plant People
I'm really excited about that.
00:28:37
Brett
Yeah. And they grow fast, too, so it's really like rewarding.
00:28:38
Plant People
Yeah.
00:28:40
Brett
They're like, oh, okay, cool. Were you going to say something, Alexis? Yeah.
00:28:43
Alexis
Yeah, was gonna say, Ray, didn't you say one time you like came across like this random patch of aspens in at the gorge?
00:28:49
Plant People
It's so an aspen tree in the gorge.
00:28:51
Alexis
Okay.
00:28:52
Plant People
It's quaking aspen. And it was strange because I saw something moving. And, you know, at the gorge, it was getting dark. And I thought, well, that's not good. Immediately, my mind goes to Sasquatch.
00:29:01
Alexis
If you see something moving in the gorge, no, you didn't.
00:29:02
Plant People
Immediately. And I was coming up on a sunny point. And, yeah, I came up on a quaking aspen tree growing out on a rocky outcropping on a sunny point on the trails I was on.
00:29:13
Plant People
And I was like, how in the world did this get here? And it was just doing what the aspens do. They kind of, the leaves were shivering and that was the movement that I was catching out of my eye.
00:29:21
Alexis
It's
00:29:24
Plant People
And I saw that. So i look for that thing every year and I'm gonna go back and check on it. I have to go back and see on my maps, what trail that was on. It's part of a larger trail system, but yeah, that was a really cool experience to see that guy.
00:29:36
Plant People
And there was no movement in the woods, but even when there's no movement, if you run up on one of those trees, um, you'll see that they're, they're still just always moving. It seems like the, just the way the petioes are situated on the tree.
00:29:47
Alexis
alive.
00:29:49
Plant People
Yeah. They just, they're they're just shivering all the time or quaking or you know, yeah. Doing what they do.
00:29:53
Brett
I was, but so I saw something at some point that the the quaking Aspen part of that is like a functional adaptive s thing um where the movement allows for additional, um like additional,
00:30:04
Plant People
Cool.
00:30:12
Brett
evapotranspiration, which allows for it to move water more, which allows for it to move more nutrients.
00:30:14
Plant People
Oh, oh
00:30:14
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:30:17
Brett
And so that's a large thing of why quaking Aspen populace tremuloides does that. I think um I was not expecting, i was not in my, what did they say?
00:30:25
Plant People
cool.
00:30:26
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:30:28
Brett
It was not in my bingo card for this episode that I would be the one to pull us back to plant physiology, nerd stuff.
00:30:37
Plant People
Bringing us back.
00:30:37
Brett
But I was, I was racking my brain
00:30:38
Plant People
bre
00:30:39
Alexis
you You just right before me.
00:30:41
Brett
I was remembering the like 3% of things that I remember from my education, you know, childhood education. And I remember them saying um that like what, what happens is when when a tree changes from green to yellow or orange, Alexis, we, we, it's, it's not that the, the green is changing to yellow and orange.
00:30:59
Plant People
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:31:09
Brett
It's that the, Green is fading away and the yellow and orange are revealed. And in my research for this, I was looking and and there's a nice nice couple of nice articles, one from the University of, ah or sorry, Utah State University.
00:31:25
Brett
The yeah orange and yellow things, that like these are referred to as carotenoids and xanthophylls.
00:31:30
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:31:32
Plant People
Mm hmm.
00:31:32
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:31:32
Brett
and But then the pink and red, it's actually a different story in the sense that it is actually produced in the fall primarily and found, um like they they could give the example of maples, flowering pear, sumac, dogwood.
00:31:38
Plant People
Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:31:46
Plant People
Yeah.
00:31:47
Brett
um And so that that will vary based on what the you know what the weather conditions are like in the fall. But just back on the on the revealing thing, were is there something you were going to say about that, Alexis, with the green and the yellow?
00:31:58
Alexis
That was exactly what I was going to say of like, ah if you if you want to sound smart or share something, a cool fact with people, you can say the yellow and the yellow and orange and fall color is always there.
00:32:10
Alexis
It's just hidden by the green.
00:32:10
Plant People
Yeah.
00:32:11
Alexis
And so that green, that plant is kind of sucking back that chlorophyll, putting stuff back into the root system, some energy, some nutrients.
00:32:19
Plant People
It doesn't last once it's not produced.
00:32:19
Alexis
And like you said, yeah, you reveal, it reveals the...
00:32:21
Plant People
Yeah.
00:32:22
Brett
Mm-hmm.
00:32:22
Plant People
Hmm.
00:32:22
Brett
Mm-hmm.
00:32:24
Alexis
um oranges and the yellows that were always there. and and But yeah, the red the reds are different. I always forget you know the way they are, but that I think Ray was saying that's why dry fall is great because those sugars are concentrated and it's it's those anthocyanins that make up the the reds are part of that and they they are more concentrated.
00:32:37
Plant People
o
00:32:43
Plant People
Yeah.
00:32:45
Brett
but And i believe that the, I remember that, so, you know, our light spectrum, we we don't actually, aren't able to see light spectra, but um when it, when it's hitting that leaf, the the carotenoids and the xanthophils and the chlorophyll are working together each to absorb energy from different spectra of light.
00:32:46
Plant People
Yeah.
00:32:52
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:33:09
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:33:11
Brett
So the the green spectrum is hitting the chlorophyll, the et cetera.
00:33:11
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:33:15
Brett
And the green chlorophyll, that's like the most efficient mechanism. Like that's the most efficient spectrum, highest energy conversion, whatever.
00:33:19
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:33:22
Brett
that and so that's why the green is dominant. And I mean, i this is me way going out into speculative, but like from like a, for like a ethno botanical perspective, like some sort of a more forensic or, or you know, back looking backward in history,
00:33:31
Plant People
Oh, you're goingnna mess with them now, Brad. Yeah.
00:33:41
Brett
across evolutionary you know ah timelines.
00:33:41
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:33:44
Brett
I could imagine that there there were trees that had yellow leaves and they just didn't do quite so good. And there were trees that had green leaves and they didn't do just quite so good.
00:33:49
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:33:52
Brett
And so the ones that actually had all of those were able to adapt to different timelines and who knows, maybe eventually that'll be completely gone or it'll just be green. but um it's pretty cool that they're like, it's it not only is it there the whole time, it's doing work the whole time to absorb light from a different spectrum. That's not available in the green. It's just, I don't know.
00:34:12
Brett
It's, it takes me back to,
00:34:12
Alexis
Well, and like if you think about, I mean, we still have those plants.
00:34:12
Plant People
Very
00:34:16
Alexis
We just call it variegation, right? It's just like a pink variegation, a white variegation, white is like the absence of. But, you know, we've got yellow variegated things. ah And so that is a you know, a lot, most of the time it's a mutation, a natural mutation where that green chlorophyll is being,
00:34:36
Alexis
broken, there's a break there where you're seeing the yellow or the pink and the, the you know, it's not overlapped with the green.
00:34:41
Brett
Mm-hmm.
00:34:44
Alexis
And so, and that's why most variegated plants, whether it's red or green, red or yellow, will revert back to a solid green if given enough time and or ah like the right conditions because it needs to produce more ah more sugars, right? And so it knows that the green leaves are more efficient. So it's like, oh okay. And there is, you know, like an act to...
00:35:11
Alexis
keep going with that. And so it's cool that we still see that. And there's, you know, there's this huge push in the houseplant world with, you know, all the white and yellow variegation. And it was like, you know, these monstera leaves that would come out and they'd be like solid white or pale, pale yellow.
00:35:25
Alexis
And you know that that plant's not going to live because there's not enough nutrients being reproduced because there's no chlorophyll for those silk to live just on the white leaves.
00:35:25
Plant People
Thank you.
00:35:37
Brett
Yeah. On the variegation front too, um that that reversion can happen... can be sped up if you don't, if it's in too shady of a location, because there's just not enough available light to sustain that. And so if you've ever had one, had ah had one revert, it could be that that was just, but as Alexis was saying, it was just kind of a time ah time bomb to go back to green.
00:35:59
Brett
But it could also be that it's just in too shady of a location. And it's like, nah, I need, we have ah a ZZ plant that is, so the most of the stocks are dark purple.
00:36:02
Alexis
Right.
00:36:08
Brett
And the one that just came out is bright green and it's in a fairly shady location.
00:36:11
Alexis
Oh, that's Raven. It's the night Raven.
00:36:14
Brett
Yeah. Raven.
00:36:15
Alexis
That's what it's called. But the no, so it fades.
00:36:17
Brett
We call it Lenore.
00:36:17
Alexis
So it comes out bright like lime green.
00:36:19
Brett
Nevermore.
00:36:20
Plant People
Hmm. Quote the Raven.
00:36:21
Alexis
and then no It comes out lime green, but it'll, as that plant ages, the um that black purple coloring will return.
00:36:26
Brett
Okay. So, okay.
00:36:29
Alexis
Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:36:29
Brett
So that one's good. That that one's okay.
00:36:30
Alexis
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:31
Brett
I didn't know.
00:36:31
Alexis
that's That is a natural.
00:36:32
Brett
I didn't know if that was a, if that was Natty. We got it from a plant sale for some old, from some old ladies.
00:36:34
Alexis
have that one.
00:36:37
Brett
And so I wasn't sure. So, but the, what the other stuff that we said still does hold.
00:36:42
Alexis
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it's funny because I've seen, um so the the shade is you're 100% on that one, right? And that's like when we would get calls about people saying, we usually would say like, oh, it's probably getting too much shade.
00:36:54
Alexis
But I have seen it in the extreme opposite. It's like the extremes of the plant. So if that plant is getting too much light, that the white, the variegated parts will burn.
00:37:06
Alexis
And so that plant is then suffering of from you know this
00:37:09
Brett
Oh, wow.
00:37:10
Alexis
this sunburn, right? Just like the pale person, the all the pale people on this podcast get sunburns.
00:37:12
Brett
Uh-huh.
00:37:16
Alexis
It's the same concept.
00:37:16
Brett
Yeah.
00:37:17
Alexis
And so the plant it wants this kind of natural sunscreen, which is chlorophyll, and it'll throw out solid green leaves. So it's like the two extreme ends of the spectrum will make the plant
00:37:27
Brett
Hmm.
00:37:28
Alexis
goes This isn't correct. Let me write this wrong and throws out the green and like just that. Obviously, it's not like awareness in the way that we think of awareness. um I forget there's a word for when you give people terms to not people things.
00:37:41
Alexis
But yes, and that and like, but that concept.
00:37:41
Brett
anthropomorphizing
00:37:46
Alexis
The fact that these plants can identify this and right that wrong to the best of their ability is just like so cool. And if you're watching this on YouTube, you're seeing how excited I am by talking about that. But anyways, we were talking about fall color and I got into anthropomorphism. So.
00:38:03
Alexis
Hmm.
00:38:03
Brett
Well, real real quick, ah to you know, two maybe non-traditional aspects of fall color. One for me is like pay a little bit of attention to some of the non-traditional fall color things.
00:38:15
Brett
Like if you have junipers around, if you have eastern red cedars included in that.
00:38:17
Plant People
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:38:17
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:38:19
Brett
you have pine trees around and, you know, as you're expanding your love and awareness of horticulture and plants, you'll start to notice like, okay, because, because junipers, once it, once we get some frost frosts, they will, a lot of them will take on this like almost purple green color.
00:38:36
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:38:37
Plant People
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:38:37
Alexis
Mm, so good.
00:38:37
Brett
And there's certain cultivars that'll go more of a yellow, ah which is kind of cool, but like they, they change pretty drastically. It's they're still quote unquote evergreen. um The same way with the pine trees, you know, they'll, they'll take on maybe a little bit of a darker tone.
00:38:50
Brett
They may, some of them may go almost a little yellow or a little bit lighter ah shade, but I just think that's, that's a fun aspect of kind of growing as you're observing plants.
00:39:01
Brett
The other thing I was going to ask, ah but since we were talking about houseplants, do you, are there like things that you notice changes in your houseplants during this fall color change or winter color change?
00:39:13
Brett
Or is it, is that my crazy?
00:39:14
Alexis
oh No, I, so, I mean, we all know like ah Thanksgiving cactus, Christmas cactus. So the the blooms are in relation to the light change that we talked about um earlier that Ray talked about.
00:39:26
Brett
Mm-hmm. Okay.
00:39:28
Alexis
But I also have um some other plants that will that will bloom. I have ah a, ah oh crap, I just forgot what it's called.
00:39:38
Alexis
Something cactus, but it's it gets these big white,
00:39:40
Plant People
Is it the Thanksgiving one or?
00:39:42
Alexis
No, it's it gets these big white blooms on it.
00:39:44
Plant People
Okay.
00:39:45
Alexis
But...
00:39:46
Plant People
Not a prickly pear.
00:39:46
Alexis
but No, I can't believe I just forgot that I'm so embarrassed.
00:39:48
Plant People
No.
00:39:53
Alexis
But yeah, so sometimes they change and like just like trees do change color, they will bloom based on the temperature difference and or the light.
00:39:57
Plant People
Oh.
00:40:02
Alexis
And so sometimes it's a combo of both um versus, you know, or sometimes it's one or the other and they just tend to coincide with low light is, you know, lower temperature in this part of the world.
00:40:04
Plant People
Hmm.
00:40:11
Alexis
But um so...
00:40:13
Brett
Is it a, is it a epiphylum or a serious or a night, night blooming queen, queen of the night, night blooming cactus.
00:40:18
Alexis
If Jessica was here because I've given her a piece of it. Night blue. It's a night blooming cactus. It's a night blooming cactus.
00:40:23
Brett
We got there.
00:40:23
Alexis
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:40:24
Brett
We got there.
00:40:25
Alexis
I got there. I was like, blah, blah, blah.
00:40:27
Brett
ah i I feel like we got there.
00:40:27
Alexis
But yeah, you got there.
00:40:28
Brett
i feel I just want to, I feel like we got there.
00:40:30
Alexis
you you yeah Jessica, queen of the night. See, Sheena queen of the night.
00:40:34
Brett
Come on, Jessica.
00:40:34
Alexis
um
00:40:35
Brett
Queen of the night.
00:40:37
Alexis
ah
00:40:38
Brett
Wait, oh, that is a cactus or that's her referring affectionately to you.
00:40:38
Alexis
But anyways. Yeah, it's ah it's a cacti.
00:40:42
Brett
is Is that not her referring affectionately to you, Alexis?
00:40:43
Alexis
No, it's a cacti.
00:40:45
Brett
Is Queen of the...
00:40:46
Alexis
Oh, well, I mean... Maybe.
00:40:49
Brett
Maybe. oh
00:40:50
Alexis
i when i went When I went to prom, I wore a black dress and someone said I look like the angel of death. And so Queen of the Night feels like a
00:40:55
Brett
Wow. and is that And that's an angel, you know? but I'm hearing you think I look like an angel. Yeah.
00:41:04
Alexis
That's what I'm hearing.
00:41:04
Plant People
That's what he took away from that.
00:41:04
Alexis
i
00:41:05
Plant People
That's what he took away from that.
00:41:05
Alexis
What? But yeah. um And also, um on a not so positive. A lot of my houseplants end up starting to lose their leaves. um as the
00:41:17
Plant People
Yeah.
00:41:18
Alexis
Well, part of it is my I turn my heat on, right? So this dry heat, and we know that's bad for...
00:41:22
Brett
Yeah.
00:41:24
Alexis
tropical plants at least and then low light so they don't need as many leaves in the first place so it's not always you doing something wrong it's just them going why am I taking care of this if I don't have to and so they drop leaves um yeah just be careful don't over water and if you're bringing them in from outside into your home that's a big like fluctuation of humidity and light and just like um it's it's the reason I don't put very many house plants outside these days because the
00:41:33
Brett
yeah
00:41:42
Brett
yeah
00:41:50
Alexis
the crash between those two environments is pretty real.
00:41:53
Brett
Yeah, you're you're riding the line between, oh man, they put on a lot of growth and we're very happy in our hot, humid summer. And now back to reality inside my house
00:42:03
Plant People
I don't know. I've had a curly leaf jade that's just got huge and actually has gotten leggy on the outside a little bit. of What I would describe as leggy, which is still pretty stocky for a curly leaf jade. But I'm wondering what that guy's going to do once I bring it back in because it's just exploded in size this year.
00:42:20
Plant People
It's gotten, I mean, it's doubled, more than doubled.
00:42:21
Alexis
It's going to drop all those leaves. Yeah. Just like little.
00:42:24
Plant People
It's very well made. little succulent.
00:42:25
Alexis
And jade leaves like make a plop sound when they fall.
00:42:26
Plant People
air We're good. Yeah, that's good.
00:42:28
Alexis
Right. Because they're so succulent.
00:42:29
Plant People
They're just going to make babies.
00:42:29
Alexis
Oh,
00:42:30
Plant People
So I'm going to propagate the heck out of it.
00:42:30
Brett
Yeah.
00:42:32
Plant People
You amaryllis is one of those rare ones.
00:42:32
Brett
I was i was recently i was recently recently made aware that Jade leaves will well like propagate from...
00:42:35
Plant People
Oh, good.
00:42:40
Brett
or Sorry, Jade will propagate from leaves.
00:42:41
Alexis
really?
00:42:42
Brett
I didn't know that.
00:42:43
Plant People
Yeah.
00:42:44
Alexis
if If they fall on the floor, I literally just throw them back in the pot and I'm like, something will grow.
00:42:44
Plant People
Yeah.
00:42:47
Brett
Yeah.
00:42:47
Plant People
And then you got babies. Yeah. Some of them will, yeah. They'll touch.
00:42:51
Brett
I cut you off though, Ray.
00:42:51
Plant People
but
00:42:51
Brett
You were going to say something else
00:42:52
Plant People
No, no. I was going to say amaryllis is one of those weird things. We've talked about that before. I like, you know, that's a fun one for me.
00:42:56
Brett
else. Mm-hmm.
00:42:57
Plant People
I grow me around, but They actually like being under a grow light better than being outside because they're kind of finicky on how much direct sun they get.
00:43:02
Alexis
Uh-huh.
00:43:03
Brett
Thank you.
00:43:05
Plant People
So it's one of those weird ones where they get, like I use a 12-hour cycle on grow lights on the inside, and they actually like it better. ah When I bring them in, they get really glossy, the leaves thicken up.
00:43:17
Plant People
um and I don't know what it is. I think sometimes some of the ones i have at the back of my house, they get a tiny bit too much direct sun, so it bleaches them a little bit.
00:43:27
Brett
I think it's also freaks plant think so.
00:43:27
Plant People
but I bring it in and they do better. They just love it.
00:43:31
Brett
freak have plant magic you
00:43:34
Plant People
I don't think so.
00:43:36
Brett
i think so
00:43:36
Alexis
I feel like kill a lot of stuff.
00:43:37
Plant People
I feel like only the strong survive with me, Brett.
00:43:40
Brett
Yeah, this is what you call humility.
00:43:40
Plant People
but so I'm the definition of hardy plan.
00:43:42
Brett
This is what you call humility. But these people are, you know, they're legit plant people. And, you know, they let me they let me tag along and pretend and and we make it we make it work.
00:43:51
Plant People
Says the bonsai guy. so So says you.
00:43:52
Alexis
Right?
00:43:52
Brett
But I think i I think I think you've got some I don't know, like because I've heard multiple things now, I think across where people will be like,
00:43:53
Alexis
I know.
00:44:01
Brett
oh, I've really had trouble with this thing. and And you like, sort of be like, yeah, I've had one of those for 15 years and doing pretty good. And, and it was like, and I mean, then that's great, but I do think that's part of it, part of it too, just a a sixth sense perhaps about, about what they need, but.
00:44:18
Alexis
Or six years of a degree program and I paid a lot of money for.
00:44:22
Brett
Yeah. And yeah. And you get one cents per year, many dollars for one cents per year.
00:44:25
Plant People
So, yeah, that's right. Six cents.
00:44:27
Alexis
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:27
Brett
i don't know. Yeah.
00:44:28
Plant People
So...
00:44:28
Alexis
I recently went houseplant shopping with Brett. We were buying a houseplant for someone and he just tagged along and humored me as I went, ooh, and this, and ooh, and this, and ooh, and this, and this, and I could just see him giggling in the background.
00:44:41
Brett
Yeah.
00:44:44
Alexis
was like, did you see that? Oh my God, these. But really, I...
00:44:48
Brett
This one this one here, it's kind of big.
00:44:48
Plant People
Beep, boop, beep, boop.
00:44:51
Brett
Do they have these anywhere else? I don't need, you may be coming home with me though, if I can't find anybody else.
00:44:54
Plant People
You've got this in a different size.
00:44:57
Alexis
Oh, look, it's accidentally in my cart.
00:44:57
Brett
And like, it's interesting.
00:45:00
Plant People
Oh, how that happen?
00:45:01
Brett
Cause like we were there for like, I don't know, maybe 45 minutes and she did not speak to me despite the fact that she was speaking to someone the whole time.
00:45:07
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:45:09
Brett
And it was the plants there. and I was, I was very happy to be, I was happy to be we, we gave, uh, gave someone ah a plant as a thank you for some, some help they gave us on a recent, a recent work event, um, which was a fun, it was yeah, that was a fun trip.
00:45:12
Alexis
That is accurate.
00:45:23
Brett
And I managed to pick out the one not labeled juniper that had some bonsai potential and asked the nice lady there, do you know what this is? She's like, I don't have any idea, but I'll go, go find out.
00:45:36
Brett
Um, but it was fun, but.
00:45:37
Alexis
They had an answer. They just had to go ask somebody else in charge.
00:45:39
Brett
That's right. That's right. That's extension.
00:45:40
Alexis
Yeah.
00:45:40
Brett
You know, I don't have an answer immediately, but I will find out for you.
00:45:41
Alexis
Yeah.
00:45:44
Plant People
Go find
00:45:44
Alexis
BRB.
00:45:45
Brett
So Ray, so Ray, you, you have have plans to engage in this fall color?
Engage with Fall: Visiting Parks
00:45:50
Plant People
Yeah, I want to get out in there. We've had a lot going on as a family this year, and I just haven't gotten into the woods this fall much at all. But then again, I've been closely watching the leaf change to make sure that I don't miss it. So my son and i he's been he knows that I'm nerd out on this stuff. So he's like, is it time to go hiking yet? I'm like, it's always time to go hiking, first of all, Reed.
00:46:11
Plant People
But, you know, we've we've been watching the color.
00:46:11
Brett
Throwing dad a bone.
00:46:11
Alexis
it
00:46:12
Brett
Dad, I happen to notice there's some fall color.
00:46:13
Alexis
Oh.
00:46:14
Brett
I mean, you know.
00:46:14
Plant People
Yeah, but when when the leaves get, when the trails get crunchy and the leaves start to turn, I will go find them. So I plan on, you know, just getting out in the woods this fall, like I always do, and and go find some of those things.
00:46:27
Plant People
But, you know, even if you're on campus or, you know, you're at your local park, you don't have to get into the the big woods and go find those things, because some of the very best examples of color will be in situations where a tree may be on its own, which may not be
00:46:33
Brett
Mm-hmm.
00:46:42
Plant People
it's natural thing to not be growing in a grove of other trees.
00:46:42
Brett
Yeah.
00:46:45
Plant People
But when trees like ah the maples, especially the improved cultivars, they get sunlight all the way around, they will be so bright orange or so bright red that they practically glow.
00:46:51
Brett
yeah
00:46:56
Plant People
So go find one of those at your local park system and just kind of check it out and and watch those and and don't miss that color. So you can find color anywhere and it doesn't have to be trees. It can you know lots of shrubs like the witch hazel and things.
00:47:10
Plant People
I mean, um there's lots of shrubs that also have lots of good fall color as well.
00:47:15
Brett
Even bal Bald Cypress has like a really cool, it's like, yeah, it looks like ah like a like ah paintbrush that's been dipped in like some kind of an amber paint or something.
00:47:17
Plant People
Oh, yeah. Burnished kind of color. yeah i mean.
00:47:27
Plant People
Yeah. I love the color of those.
00:47:28
Brett
i there's some there's some
00:47:29
Plant People
Yeah. When they drop.
00:47:30
Alexis
The texture adds something special too.
00:47:33
Plant People
Shape and texture of those.
00:47:34
Brett
There's some ah some some maples on the strip along Nicholasville Road there where I kind of walk in, near where I walk in.
00:47:38
Plant People
Oh,
00:47:41
Brett
And so I can mark the seasons by how many first, first it's like, there's geese trying to intimidate me. Canadian geese trying to intimidate me as I walk in.
00:47:48
Alexis
la
00:47:51
Brett
And that lasts for a while until they keep, until they move on. And then the trees start to change color. Unfortunately, I've been cutting down a bunch of trees around campus cause they're constructing a bunch. So there's a lot of, a lot of old friends that weren't there this year that were like previously, but, um,
00:47:59
Plant People
oh yeah.
00:48:03
Plant People
Lexington has some beautiful old trees I mean we're very lucky I was coming down Cooper the other day and and there's some of those older neighborhoods around central Kentucky and Lexington that are just beautiful in the fall absolutely beautiful and it's the trees man
00:48:15
Brett
yeah catalpa catalpa is like uh the street catalpa not the tree uh is known known for having like these ginkgos that are really photogenic and so they it has had some instagram moments over the last few years of a bunch of people coming taking pictures when it's changing yeah magical
00:48:21
Plant People
yeah yeah just yellow
00:48:23
Alexis
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:48:30
Plant People
god
00:48:30
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Just solid gold.
00:48:32
Plant People
If you get those things just right, it's just absolutely beautiful. And you know, you mentioned catalpa. I noticed a bunch of those trees are starting to yellow. They're a little bit, they don't have that purity of yellow as a ginkgo, but catalpas have that nice yellow and they're big leaves.
00:48:40
Alexis
That's
00:48:43
Alexis
it. Mm-hmm.
00:48:45
Plant People
So they're kind of, they can be kind of showy under the right conditions, but not like a ginkgo.
00:48:48
Brett
yeah
00:48:49
Alexis
And they have catawpa worms, which are really good catfish bait. I'm just saying.
00:48:51
Plant People
Fishing. Yes, absolutely. For fishing.
00:48:53
Alexis
Yeah, there you go.
00:48:53
Plant People
Good stuff.
00:48:54
Brett
wow that's so that feels like ah like a quicksand approved trip ah tip there talpa worms for catfishing and that's the time of year for it
00:48:54
Plant People
Good stuff.
00:49:00
Plant People
Yeah. Oh, definitely.
00:49:07
Plant People
Yeah.
00:49:07
Alexis
yeah there you go
00:49:07
Plant People
And then when I grew up in the Eastern part the you'd see all the fishermen that go find the catawpa trees around and then you're looking for the worms. Yeah. Great fishing bait.
00:49:15
Alexis
Yep. That was the only tree my husband asked me to plant on the farm, and they're actually a little more hard to find because most people don't have to plant them.
00:49:16
Plant People
and
00:49:16
Brett
Yeah.
00:49:23
Alexis
They just exist.
00:49:23
Plant People
No, not here.
00:49:24
Alexis
So one one of these days I'll find find us one.
00:49:25
Plant People
Yeah. They're much more common in the central part of the state. I call Oakland or one of those local native tree places. Yeah. So I don't know, fall leaf color, I look forward to it. It's going to be interesting this year to see what we get.
00:49:39
Plant People
wi And I think all that goes back to the interesting weather patterns that we've been having that historically wet and now historically dry August and and how that's going to add up to leaf color change. So I look forward to seeing what's going to happen.
00:49:54
Plant People
Should be good.
00:49:55
Alexis
Well, we hope you get out and enjoy some fall color and check out some maps and put on your sweater for sweater weather or flannel season, as I like to say.
00:50:03
Plant People
Better weather. Flannell season.
00:50:06
Alexis
Flannel season.
00:50:08
Plant People
Flannell season.
00:50:09
Alexis
And yeah your' your fluffy socks. Gosh, I love getting out a pair of like good, warm, fluffy socks.
00:50:15
Alexis
um
00:50:15
Plant People
obnoxiously fluffy, like super thick fluffy.
00:50:18
Alexis
Yeah, I just love a good, thick,
00:50:19
Plant People
Like you can't fit them in a shoe fluffy.
00:50:22
Alexis
Yeah, my boots do get so kind of tight sometimes during the year.
00:50:26
Plant People
Fluffy socks. Extremely overly fluffy socks. Absolutely.
00:50:29
Alexis
Extremely overly, but well, I hope you put on your flannel and your fuzzy socks and then you go outside and enjoy the fall color. And now you have all kinds of things that you can brag to people.
00:50:40
Alexis
And those are my dogs. So of course they're going to bark and.
00:50:43
Brett
They are ready to go they're ready to put on their flannel socks and go outside and enjoy the fall color.
00:50:43
Plant People
yeah like
00:50:45
Alexis
They're so excited for fall.
00:50:47
Plant People
Like, mom, we are so excited.
00:50:48
Alexis
Listen, corgis on a hike, what gets better than that? I apologize, please forgive me.
00:50:54
Plant People
They are wonderful.
00:50:54
Alexis
um but
00:50:54
Brett
Remy and Finn, shout out.
00:50:55
Alexis
i
00:50:55
Brett
Shout out Remy and Finn. Don't up but ever apologize for my friends. they're might they They have a voice too.
00:50:59
Plant People
No.
00:51:00
Alexis
Maybe I need to post a picture of them with some fall color and maybe that'll look up for it, so.
00:51:03
Plant People
You do. That would be awesome.
00:51:04
Brett
Yes, that's correct. That's correct.
00:51:07
Alexis
Believe it or not, you can hear them through the door. So that's great. ah
00:51:12
Brett
I can feel them.
00:51:12
Alexis
So anyways, I hope you feel that fall energy through these Remy barks.
00:51:12
Brett
i can feel them through the door. yeah
00:51:17
Alexis
But thank you guys for being with us. We hope you enjoyed this episode. We hope you come back. We hope you give us lots of stars and that you follow us on Instagram at Hort Culture Podcast and send us, send us your pictures.
00:51:29
Alexis
Tag us on Instagram if you take some photos with some cool plants and say, I learned that yellow and orange was always in the plant. We would love that.
00:51:36
Brett
if
00:51:36
Alexis
ah We appreciate you guys for being here and we hope you'll join us next time. Have a great one.