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Missed out on our live show? Want to relive one of the *best* parts of AMEC? Tune into the recording of our live sessions at SNMA's annual medical education conference. Shout out to our lovely audience members for participating and creating this episode with us!
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Disclaimer: The opinion and views expressed on our podcast do not reflect the official stance of Student National Medical Association.
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Introduction to SNMA's Live Show
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What's poppin' everybody? It's student Dr. Aldwin. We are mad excited to share with y'all our first in-person live show of the lounge that took place at SNMA's annual medical education conference. We really enjoy the vibes and energy people was pulling up with questions, being really interactive, and really engaging with us.
00:00:24
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Baskin in the black excellence of conference attendees and really being able to speak to and with y'all So we hope you enjoy listening back on these moments from a neck. Yes, sir
Dream Jobs Beyond Medicine
00:00:56
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All right, everyone. Welcome to SNMA Presents the Lounge live. Whether you're in the student lounge, doctor's lounge, or lounging around at home, get ready to join SNMA for meaningful conversations on topics affecting minorities in medicine and groups that often sit at the margin of health care. So I'm student Dr. Isabella. I'm an MS2, a Penn. And I think that's good for all of us when I say that
00:01:18
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We are so excited to be able to put on this show live. We typically do this from our homes, with our mics, and the comfort of our houses. So to be able to do this live is really a privilege. And this session we've been doing our introductions with icebreakers, and so we and our audience will get to know us a little bit better. We're all here at this conference because we want to or are pursuing medicine, but if you weren't pursuing medicine, what exactly would your dream job be?
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Once again, I'm student Dr. Isabella. For me, I would be a travel journalist full-time. I love traveling. I love storytelling. So I would want to do that for a full-time job. I probably still will do that, even after I finish medical school, but that's what I would just be doing. That's definitely what I would choose.
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Let you all be. Oh, yeah. What's good, everybody? I'm student Dr. Aldwin, Dr. Poppy, Bronx neuro, underscore DO, enriching doc, BX on Twitter, all of that. That's all my names, my pet names out here. But if I wasn't pursuing medicine, I'd probably be like an aeronautic engineer. I've always been into space. So I'll be flying out there with Tesla. I mean, with, I don't know, I just love space. I just like being up there. So.
00:02:27
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Yeah, that's a little bit about me. How about you, Skenda? Yeah, so I am student Dr. Skenda. I'm not normally one of the hosts on the podcast. I actually be behind the scenes as an executive producer, but unfortunately, student Dr. Erika was not able to make it out to the session. So, you know, I'm filling in for her a little bit. So for me, if I wasn't pursuing medicine, I think my dream job would be a dancer. So that's kind of one of my favorite. What kind of dancer?
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So I did ballet for a long time, so I probably would do something that was like ballet or contemporary, but I just love dancing and I do a lot of yoga these days. You know, just like body movement and like being able to tell stories through your body. I think it's really amazing and there's so many opportunities in dancing. You can be in a company, you can travel with artists, and so I think if I wasn't pursuing medicine, that's what I would do.
Significance of Justice Katanji Brown Jackson's Confirmation
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Yeah, how much y'all? Let's hear from a couple audience members who aren't too shy.
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You are pursuing medicine. What would your dream job be? Oh, yeah. And introduce yourself and where you are coming from and what year you are. OK. Well, greetings and humble salutations. I'm Alia Brown from the illustrious Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University. If I was not into medicine, I would be within the space of narrative medicine. It's a noble field.
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And I think that it's a perfect place. Like student Dr. Isabella, I found that my space has always been an intersectionality of advocacy and patient care and narrative medicine is that bridge of offering opportunities for patients to really be illuminated in their experiences, in their truths and kind of being a better physician listener is very important to me. So I think narrative medicine and writing and
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creative streams are the way to go in the future of medicine. So that's where I would be.
Autism Awareness in Minority Communities
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I could hear the narration in your voice. You ever thought about voice acting? You know, all of you had to work out session learning from three. Yeah. All right. And I'll hear from somebody else.
00:04:40
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Hello, I'm Alexandria Addigan and I also have a pen with Isabella, but I'm originally from Houston, Texas. If I wasn't in medical school, I would be a lifestyle blogger. I'd probably like for like cosmopolitan or have some like blog about cooking. I just find it's really therapeutic and fun. Thank you. Anybody else want to share? We got five people everybody could share.
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Hello, everyone. I'm Khadija Sampson. I'm an OMS 3 at VECOM Virginia. And I guess if I wasn't for some of medicine, I would consider something in the culinary arts. I love to eat. I love to cook for my family and friends. And I think food just has a positive way of bringing people together. So what we having for Thanksgiving? We pulling up. What's on the menu? Oh, it's great. I got you. I heard you. Great. Thank you all for sharing. Let's get into it.
00:05:39
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Well, you guys know what time it is. What time is it? It's time to run the list.
00:05:48
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So for our preclinical students, running the patient list on the wards allows the team to address pressing matters of the day. In this segment of the show, we'll be discussing some recent events in medicine and beyond affecting our communities and the populations we serve. Just a reminder that our opinions do not necessarily reflect the stance of SNMA.
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just a reminder that our opinions, let me say that again. Now I think I heard it enough, but just so
Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act Discussion
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y'all know, don't get it twisted or confused how we feel about situations and not necessarily how SNMA feels about situations. So as what was just done, we'll be asking y'all some questions during this event and we're not usually in front of the audience.
00:06:32
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So we'd love to have a conversation with y'all. We switching it up. Because usually it's just me and my co-host and my wonderful EP on the VODS on the video. But now we get an opportunity to include you guys on the podcast and welcome you into our family. Even though y'all really family, but y'all podcast family now. Official.
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So with that being said as you guys know match they just pulled up and me my homie my EP right here We matched so shout out to everybody that Let me specify so all the match neuro at Yukon and scandal match ophthalmology at UC San Diego, so they're going places When I leave clerkship here, I hope to be able to say the same thing
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Now you're definitely gonna make it. You're setting the standard. We were talking about this earlier, but over 40,000 people applied for the match and 39,000 people actually got a position. And we also want to give a shout out to even if you did not match, we want to still celebrate you and admire you because you put in the work and no matter what, you're still a doctor. It may not be that you ended up in residency this year, but you will end up in residency in someone's hospital next year or the year after.
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I mean, I know somebody that applied a plastic surgery three times. She's here. She a DO. But she in Miami doing her thing. Y'all see her pull up to our event on Saturday, you'll see her.
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But anyway, regardless, shout out to Match Day heads. We here? Yes, yes. Like all of them said, you know, this whole process has really been a lot. Applications, interviewing, it's just really a time. So, you know, congratulations to everybody who made it on the other side.
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and like everything happens for a reason so no matter where you ended up whether you mash or didn't mash like you're still successful like everything is gonna work out and you are going to end up where you need to be so again congratulations to all the fourth years and you know it's everybody else I hope this is like inspiration for y'all to keep going because that's what is also hard but you know if you don't be on the other side I promise
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And with all that black excellence being said, there is even more black excellence happening outside of a medicine standpoint. So if
Will Smith's Oscars Incident and its Impact
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you're not like me who's like, I don't look at the news these days, I don't listen, like I'm busy, and I just try to keep in the loop with Twitter, Instagram, but everyone knows that Justice Katanji Brown Jackson has recently been appointed the first black woman on the Supreme Court.
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So that's a very big deal. It's 2022 and it took this long for that to happen. And so we just want to give a shout out to her. It's crazy because so much happened during that time. She was disrespected on a lot of hearings. She won by a very narrow margin. It was 53 to 47.
00:09:14
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One of her Republican friends probably, you know, had to do something and vote on the other side. And that's like a big deal that kind of speaks to the fact that she probably really, what she did belong, where she is now. And so, yeah, I mean, unless Alden, you have anything else to say before we ask the audience our question about this topic? Yeah, I had to say it took over 250 years
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for a black woman to be in her position. And I'm just so excited, elated, and engaged with what's happening now. We are experiencing a historic moment. And think about all those beautiful black women out here, beautiful black girls that are aspiring to do something greater than themselves, aspiring to inspire other people. And Supreme Court Justice Katanji is setting the standard that's never been set before. And think about it.
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In the history of Senate, there's only been two black women that's ever served in the Senate. Kamala Harris won. And we had another one, Carol. I forgot her last name, but it was in 1993.
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And there's only been 20 black women that have served in executive state positions in the history of the United States. So this is something different. This is call into action, our black women and our black men to unite and collaborate together so that we are in these political arenas so that we can make change. How do we diversify and create representation when we don't even have a seat at the table? Now we got a seat at the table. And now we can manifest a change we want to see into the world.
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Yeah. We do have a question for the audience. So we want to know, what does this historical moment of Justice Jackson's confirmation mean for you on a personal level? And please remind her to introduce yourself with school you can go to in what year you are. Did you just put her on? She didn't raise her hand, but I like that. She just pulled up on her like, OK, do you think, though? That's my homie. OK. OK. Hi, everyone. My name is Ola Mohammed.
00:11:22
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not in school right now. So I graduated with my bachelor's from UF and then I got my master's at Barry. And so I'm in my growth year. I love that. Yes. And so I guess seeing everything that's going on in the media like this is very like powerful and obviously you know we're here for a med conference. Any type of change on any type of level where you're seeing more black people getting into these positions of power it's
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It's substantial, so it's going to push all of us to do something better for everybody, whether that be in politics where you can make a difference on a judicial level or with us in the healthcare field where we're saving people's lives and actually taking people's feelings and emotions and everything into account.
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And I think it's a great thing. So my nine sisters, they love to talk about these things in the media going on. So they keep me up to date, especially the ones that are in law school right now. So it's just really powerful to see them even showing up on the news, talking about the stuff that we're literally talking about in this conference room. So it's empowering. And we're all next in our own capacity. So there's- Claim your sorority. Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated. That's it. Shout out to their kids.
00:12:33
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Too bad Erika's not here, but Erika's also an AKA, but shout out to the AKA's and the Divine Nine, we appreciate and love y'all. Okay, next on the agenda. So we have National Autism Awareness Month, so we always talk about on our podcast, what is the month medically-wise are we focusing on? So what was last month again, I think? Last month was National Indometious Awareness Month, and also National Colorectal Awareness Month as well.
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So now it's ASD Awareness Month. So pretty much just to give some background, autism spectrum disorder is a neurological and developmental disorder that affects how people learn, interact with others, communicate, learn, and behave. And so in terms of stats with black people and autism, according to the CDC about
00:13:18
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one in 44 children who have been identified with ASD estimates that it's four times more common among boys than among girls. That is not only an epidemiological statistic, but also something that we just don't really think about. Who does it really affect on
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a larger basis, especially when it comes to the Black community. So that is something to keep in mind. And it's also reported to, of course, the current all racial, ethnic, socio-economic groups. But research does show that African-Americans and Latino children with autism are diagnosed at older ages than white children. So that gives them less
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of an opportunity to get the proper intervention and treatment. So that's especially why we want to make sure that we give awareness to this month.
00:14:04
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Even for me, when I was on my neurology rotation a couple of years back, I remember having a patient who had Asperger's syndrome, which is the higher functioning on the spectrum of autism, and he relented to me how so many people doubted him. They made him feel uncomfortable. He dealt with instances of sexual and physical abuse. They told him that he wouldn't amount to nothing.
00:14:28
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And I told him I sat down there with him and I'm like, bro, no
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one can tell you what you can and cannot do. It doesn't matter. Your diagnosis does not exclude you from you accomplishing what you think and deem is necessary for you to be successful in this life. And we had a heart to heart moment. You know, I shed a tear off of that experience because I still, I may never see him again, but I do recall what
00:14:50
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and how he made me feel and how I made him feel and the connect that we had off of that. And so having awareness about autism is critically key. Me being a neurologist, a future neurologist and going to neurology residency, I will be seeing patients that suffer from autism spectrum disorder. And there's a variety of neurological secular that come from it. But it's also, you know, having the awareness and acknowledging that our patients aren't just the symptoms, they are human beings.
00:15:17
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deserve compassion. They deserve love. They deserve our understanding and awareness to say, we are here with you. And although I'm not necessarily experiencing autism, I do see and confront and acknowledge that your presence is important to me as a future clinician. So I employ each and every one of you, whatever patients, whatever they're experiencing, try to be there with them and meet them where they're at.
00:15:42
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and don't exclude them just because they have a diagnosis that society deems, oh, he's weird, he's awkward. Well, maybe you should get to know this person and they'll change your life.
00:15:53
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the intersection of mental health issues and violence, like state violence, particularly with people of color, black people, you know, we see in the news all too often, you know, black violence or violence against black individuals, particularly by the state, particularly by the police, but so many of those individuals, both black and of other races are dealing with mental health issues and, you know,
00:16:17
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we choose to incarcerate them and inflict violence upon them instead of trying to meet them where they're at and trying to, you know, reshape society so that people who have all sorts of mental health conditions or all sorts of kind of mental capacities can thrive in this society. So now that's just something that I really want to bring up there because I'm passionate about that too. And I'm excited to see what you do in neurology over, you know, supporting these people and, you know, going on to the community and changing the community for the better for these people too.
00:16:47
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Yeah, I really appreciate that. I mean, I already had ideas, barbershop, like, you know, going into barbershops and creating, like, you know, clinics and connecting, especially with black men and things of that nature with my residency program. So it's on up and up. Wait and see, in Hartford, actually, next year, AMEC is on me in Hartford. So, yeah, some of you out here, you're going to be coming to some of the community events I'm setting up. But anyway, I digress.
00:17:10
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So, kind of speaking of violence and, you know, state violence, something that's pretty noteworthy that's happened recently is the Emmett Till Anti-Linching Act was passed on March 29, 2022, so very recently. It was signed into law after 100 years of proposed legislation. So, lynching is now officially considered a hate crime.
00:17:35
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Crazy that it took so long, but we're just going to take our wins and move on with it. So basically anyone who conspires to perpetrate a lynching that results in significant harm or death faces now a maximum punishment of 30 years in jail. So it's all about progress. We're obviously not where we need to be in terms of all of these situations, but it's nice to see that there is kind of a step forward in legislation.
00:18:00
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I'm waiting to see how this is actually put into practice. They're actually going to enforce this law because that's something different from it being signed into legislation, right? But it's a good thing that we even have this law now. And like I said, crazy that it took so long, right?
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00:18:17
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Yeah, I mean, just piggybacking off of that. Yeah, we don't need to go into just the fact that there's so many barriers being broken at this point in time when it's been going on for so long. I think it's ridiculous that it took this long. But I mean, once again, we're grateful and we're celebrating all our wins. On that vein, going into another subject with this recent event that's happened, also to a black man,
00:18:44
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I don't know if I want to compare it to Emmett Till, that might be a stretch. Because I don't know really what went down in this situation. This is the situation with Christian Toby, a boom silly, with the guy who had a white girlfriend who fatally stabbed him.
00:19:04
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I read the article with the little time that I have to read things outside of what I'm doing. It seems like the girlfriend was claiming self-defense saying that some friends who were in the relationship were saying that they saw that they had a rocky relationship, that they were fighting a lot, all of that. But the family said, he was never like that. We don't know where this is coming from.
00:19:32
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She it's like apparently she had bruises. I think on her arms and her legs. So it's giving like what's the name of that football player? Oh No, the black one who that killed the white woman Yeah
00:20:04
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It's given a lot of OJ Simpson, but this time he's dead. So I'm just like, yeah, I don't know what to make of this. It's not Emmett Till. It may not be OJ, but it's definitely strange in terms of like, we don't, it doesn't seem like we have
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all the evidence as to where what happened like what like what was it self-defense no one was there to witness it but I think the question we have for the audience because apparently like this man who was killed he made a lot of like black or tweets about black women
00:20:33
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kind of slandering black men from like 2012 to 2015 and you know we kind of see when black men you know you can have your dating preference no one's jailing you for that but you know to kind of take it a step further and then slander someone who looks like your mom I feel like that's kind of like going a little bit overboard so we just kind of want to get an idea of
00:20:55
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How do the black women, and maybe you don't come, you're here too, black men. How do you feel about what was said? No, it's okay. And how can black men protect black women in spaces where they're not traditionally respected? So that's our question for today.
00:21:10
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And I wanted to say shout out to all the black women. I love y'all church at my as always on this podcast I'm always for black women and the enterprise that you've created I come from a black woman and I hopefully will give birth to black women in the future and we are nothing without you So regardless this individual I felt slighted reading his tweets and his family came out and was like that was when he was in high school, but bro
00:21:35
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He was 17 20 years old and he talked about why these black women in this class and this and that is like Nah, that's still not acceptable to me You are creating self-hatred and it's hard for me to have any empathy for you in regards to I mean no one should die But it just changes my perspective a little so we would like to hear your thoughts on this. Yes and just a reminder your name what school you're from and what year you're in and
00:22:02
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Hi, everyone. My name is Cal Shaw. My name is Juan El Pen. And yeah, I don't really have too much. I just have no, I guess, respect for people that are putting other people down, especially if they're in your own race. And I think just as a black man in general, we have to do more to stand behind our black women to really support them. Love it. Love it.
00:22:28
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I want to, you know, push a little bit. What is more to you? What does that look like to you? Good question. I'm on the spot. Hey, man, get off my dog. I think just in general, I feel like we just need to be able to
00:22:55
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in terms of support, in terms of being able to see black women in a number of different professions and not necessarily to discriminate that way, but also to be able to be able to uplift them, to be able to talk them up when they're just in regular conversations or on a bigger scale and just be able to have that going.
00:23:16
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I would like to hear a response to that from the black woman because we as black men, we want to learn too how to support you. And oftentimes when we look at the media, you know, you see rappers, celebrities using the B word and, you know, again, discriminating and, you know, denigrating against a black woman. But how can we at our level be able to encourage you and feel like you feel comforted and supported?
00:23:39
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I would like to add that visibility of African American women in positions of power, in positions of leadership, you know, tying back to the Supreme Court Justice and having that exposure to the truth, the beauty, the elegance, the grace.
00:23:57
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the magnificence that is black women can cause a lot of people to see us in a different light and I think a lot of that age stems from confusion and stems from misunderstanding of what the black faces in general regardless of their gender so I think as black women and just being ourselves being radiant and embracing all the things that make us unique
00:24:16
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that changes the narrative and gets people to understand that black is beautiful. And in terms of this hate crime, sometimes we get in positions where we hate ourselves. And that is part of the items that are causing division within our society, divisions within the black community. So I think a lot of this comes from loving ourselves and loving our blackness, because I'm sure this hate for black women did not just isolate towards the gender, but towards his own blackness. It's hard for him to hate
00:24:46
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a woman of your same color if you don't have some type of sentiment toward yourself and are also derogatory. So I think it's all about promoting blackness in a way that is true, that promotes awareness, that promotes mental health, that promotes all the things that make us unique as people and kind of spreading that in a way that's approachable and inviting people to our communities, inviting people to our environments so they can understand and engage with us in conversation
00:25:13
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and kind of break down those barriers. So I invite people to continue to connect outside their race and continue to let themselves, whether you're black of any color, just embrace yourself and kind of spread awareness. This narrative medicine right there. Thank you guys so much for your thoughts on this. And I just want to add, regardless of the sentiments that he shared towards black women, like his family said, this is very tragic.
00:25:39
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you know, rest in peace to him. Nobody deserves to die in no way. 100%. Nobody deserves to have the police just, you know, disregard what happened. Like this woman is walking free. She's partying. You know, the detectives are like, who said it was self defense? Sure. And we know that if the roles are reversed, that would not fly. So, you know, I just want to bring that out there.
00:26:02
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You know, no matter what sentiments he shared for his black woman. And not that I feel that it was right, you know, it's just a very tragic way to die. And so, rest in peace to Christian. So yeah, now for some more juicy talk. You know, I feel like we've been talking about this for forever at this point. You know, it's been a couple weeks, but it was the slap from around the world. How many times you watched that video? How many times I watched that video, though?
00:26:30
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Yeah. How many memes is coming off of that?
00:26:41
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So with this slap, I feel like there's so many conversations that can be had. There's the conversation from the mental health aspect is the conversation of, you know, a man defending his wife. There's a conversation of, you know, black women and their hair and like, there's so many ways you could spin this combo. But we kind of wanted to, so we're going to go bit by bit because I feel like there's, if we just kind of just talk about it, we're just going to talk in circles and there's so many things to say.
00:27:08
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So okay, let's start with mental health. So in terms of Will and Jada and their marriage and how we've seen this, how it's been kind of played out in the media, Jada has the Red Table Talk where she's kind of discussed like some of the issues they had. There was August and his Tell All album. There's been so much like regarding that relationship. And so I think they've kind of been at the brunt of like just a lot of jokes, you know, recently and
00:27:37
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I guess the question is like how much do you guys think it takes before someone just kind of like just snaps like it's their breaking point because they've just been scrutinized in ways and like we can't say that you know they didn't probably bring scrutiny upon themselves right because it's out there like we know what's kind of going on.
00:27:55
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It's something that someone figured out on the fly. I mean, August did. He is to blame for that, though, because he was the first one to talk. But there has been public scrutiny. So I guess, what do you guys think about just that aspect and whether or not you guys think that played a role into Will putting his hands on another fellow comedian? Yeah, it's like, how much can you expect for someone to take before they just, like, snap? Anybody have any thoughts?
00:28:26
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Wow, I just want to say I'm the content producer for the show as well. So, y'all, I'm a little like on the teacher's heart about this because I feel like, yes, that was very disrespectful to come up on stage and especially being in public on national TV to have the nerve to go and slap someone at the same time.
00:28:46
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You never know what someone's going through. So pushing someone's button in that way and just really picking, especially on Jada, she's been in public media and scrutinized about her hair and all that. I just feel like when people come to a breaking point, you just never know what will happen. In Will's case, he expressed it through a slap. So that's my take on it.
00:29:16
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anybody else, any other thoughts?
00:29:19
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I feel like most people are just talked out of this topic. I probably were in your little segment of people, your family, friends, talked about it, and now we just worn out with it. So I definitely understand that. But even looking at this conversation, my mom cut her hair two days after the actual slap. She just pulled up. I was sleeping. I missed rotations or whatever. And she pulled up to the crib.
00:29:46
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He pulled up to the crib, and then she's like, I cut my hair. I'm like, wait, wait, what? She took the hat off, and it's like, oh, wow, mom. And she just felt compelled to do that because, for me, beauty isn't represented by our physicality. And I love that, for me, Jada was able to be comfortable, or at least is becoming more comfortable with the fact that she's suffering from alopecia, very similar to what my mom is experiencing. Now, again, going back to Will Smith and his experience of the slap,
00:30:17
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For me, like, coming from Philly, I come from New York, so how we move, like, you disrespect me in public, you don't get disrespected in public, you know, honestly. Now, how that disrespect is gonna happen, it just depends on the person. Again, we don't know what the factors were, the extent in which circumstances that influenced him to make that decision. Can I say that if I was in that position, would I do the same or not? No, but who am I to judge for an individual who at that level
00:30:44
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is experiencing all of this trauma, all the expectations to be perfect in a society where no one's perfect. So how can we expect him to be perfect as well? There is imperfection in the perfection, I always believe in that. And so we have to see him as a human being. You read his book, I read his book and had the opportunity to read it. And he talked about, you know, protecting, not being able to protect his mother and all of those scenarios. And I really believe I was a psych major in underground and stone children psychiatry that are
00:31:13
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past influences our future. And we as black men, one of the things that we do is we internalize our trauma. And one day that trauma can erupt in many different ways. So it is about learning and strategizing how do we deal with that trauma? How do we advocate? How do we connect? How do we communicate?
00:31:32
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So many times, again, that I walk down the block in the Bronx and I see another black man's trauma because he's huffing the puff and he got the energy like, yo, I'm gangster, like he's walking down his shoulders up, he mad, he got the do-rag on, like, yo, if anybody say anything to me, I'm ready to pop off. How do we change that and circumvent those traumas so that we can love, cherish, admire, collaborate, uplift, work together and change the communities from which we represent at the end of the day?
00:32:01
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Sorry. No, do you think so? Is there anyone who actually thinks that like will is completely in the wrong? I agree like I agree to the fact that yes his emotional trauma caused him to do that But at the same time I feel like we need to as black people we need to learn how to
00:32:30
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utilize our trauma and into a different avenue, right? Not necessarily going up on stage and slapping somebody in the back, you know what I'm saying, but how can you express that in a different way? Like, you could have probably carpeted. Joke back? He could express that in a different way. Maybe had a conversation with him later.
00:32:50
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Talk to Jade and say, Jade, are you okay? Did that affect you in some way? Like, do you need to do something? How can I support you instead of going up there and slap me? So no, I don't agree with the slap, but at the same time, I understand how trauma can affect people in different ways.
00:33:07
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Okay, now we're going to circumvent Jada and her side of it. Jada has this public platform. She does the Red Table Talk. She kind of puts everything out there.
00:33:23
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Sometimes when people put everything out there, we're expecting, oh, they can probably take the heat. I mean, you're putting your life out there. I remember briefly, I watched an episode where she talked distinctly about dealing with alopecia and how she was trying to adjust to that.
00:33:38
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change in her life and alopecia in general so we can give like a little bit of a medical background because this is a medical podcast. But it is an autoimmune disease in which your cells in your immune system surround and attack the hair follicles causing the attached hair to fall out. So it's something where you basically you're losing your hair and you can't do anything about it. And so she's dealing with that. She talked about that briefly. And now she's kind of being villainized as like the
00:34:05
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Some people are also villainizing her. She's causing all these issues in Will's life because he went on and slapped this person because she didn't like this joke. I guess the question is, do you guys think Jada has been treated fairly with the joke and what people have said about her after the fact, or do you think she's been thrown under the bus?
00:34:27
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Hi again, it's me, Ola. So I have multiple opinions about everything going on with this whole situation. I feel like out of the both of them, if we had to pick who was more wrong, I feel like Jada was more wrong. Because with, yeah, I do. I know, and that's your American Tables. I didn't know.
00:34:52
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But the reason behind it is because I feel like Jada put a lot of her personal life out there for the media to go ahead and pick at it and do what you want to do with the information and that's what like everybody's gonna have an opinion and I feel like some things should be kept private and she goes on her red table talk and talks about everything.
00:35:14
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like don't do that like even if you guys have problems like you can keep that in house to talk about that and figure that out when that means going to therapy counseling something but it doesn't need to be out there for the world to see because if you watch the clip you've seen that Will was out here I can't with the audience he laughed after he heard the joke and then he looked over and he saw his wife was not happy so
00:35:38
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warranted. That's why I was like, okay, I can see he's trying to step up. He's like, oh, this is the time to, you know, I got to stand up for my life. So I got that. Problem is, you know, he could have easily, if he wanted to, he could have went up to him and said something in his ear and nobody would know what he's saying. And then after that, if he wanted to slap them in private, he could have slapped them in private. That's a fact. Backstage. It would still get the media talking. It would still bring attention to what they wanted, to whatever projects he's working on. But now look, he's banned for 10 years now.
00:36:08
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And then, like, they put a pause on his movie that he was working on, which is great. And I'm just like, all of these consequences are happening because of Jada's reaction. And that was his reaction to her reaction. And so then, the other problem with Jada that I have, yes, you can, you can... Yeah, run the list. I don't know, it's not like I've been hanging on to it. No, no, you're not. It's real time.
00:36:30
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You can't sit here and do this and not take accountability. And I think that she's not doing that. As much as she's out here, I think she came out with a statement afterwards and she was like, I didn't want Will to do that. Girl, what? What do you want him to do? I'm sitting here with you. That's cap. Right. She wanted that. And support you, which is important.
00:36:50
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But it's like, now look at what's happening. And then the media, you know, going just to backtrack a little bit about how black men are seen in the media, especially like celebrities, because their life is publicized everywhere. Anytime somebody bottles it in to the point till they get to their breaking point, then they start crying, and then they're turning to memes like, you know, the Tyreese can't win. Can't win. Can't win. And we'll sit crying, and getting embarrassed, and hearing that his wife is having an entanglement. And maybe that's something they talked about together, and like they have an understanding about,
00:37:20
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Now he's over here crying on the media because it's embarrassing. Everybody wants to envision a happy relationship and being perfect. I thought they were a nice couple personally, but clearly they had the wrong issues. It's just a lot. When you're in the public eye, you're a celebrity now, so your life isn't just your life. It's your life and everybody else watching you do it. It just adds an extra layer that you have to account for. I don't think she's doing that well personally.
00:37:48
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And honestly, to respond to something you said, Ola, because I'm a big sticker on like, you can't disagree with your partner in public. You just don't want to do that. Because he went up and slapped like, no, you didn't tell him to do that. He very much didn't have to do that. But he did it. And that's still your partner. You can't just put him under the bus after he did that for the sake of you. So I highly disagree with that. So thank you for putting all that out there.
00:38:14
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in terms of just because I want to kind of go off of that in terms of will and like how like you spoke to they've cancelled some of his projects they like he banned him from the Oscar for 10 years are they doing too much or are they doing what they would do to some other artists who
00:38:35
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Did some things another white guy who probably did look at some episode. They were not touch Bel Air. That's all I have to say on this show alone That's a show But yeah, how do you guys feel about that are they doing too much or are they doing enough or not enough I mean, I'm gonna answer first. I think they're doing way too much like agreed. Yes Literally do the most we've seen people be sexually assaulted on the Oscar stage like women being groped
00:39:03
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and being kissed when they do not consent to that. Jim Carrey. Exactly, Jim Carrey. Stupid guy. Who was it, Alicia Silverstone? Yup. Yes. And like, everybody laughs, Kiki's thinks it's a good time. Bro, I saw people on my timeline being like, this is the most traumatizing thing I've ever seen in my life. Stop, stop. Acting like he dog walked him on stage and his man has to be carried by an ambulance. Like literally slapped him. Like he had a, right, like he had a subarachnoid or something.
00:39:30
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And Chris Robin knew what he did was wrong too because he braced himself with a slap because he didn't move. He was ready because he knew he was stuck. Like when I said that he chose the best stage to do it, no. Would I personally do that? Probably not. But sometimes
00:39:52
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Talkish get hit right and so I feel like people are really doing the most Yeah by like canceling on spy topics from him being banned Just thinking that he's like this super villain now and like this man has had a 30-plus year career that we're sparkling correct So I feel like people really took advantage of like see even this like good black man. He makes a mistake once and it's like
00:40:14
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There really are all like this, they can't withhold this violence inside them and we need to punish him to the highest degree to really showcase that. I don't know, what are some of the audience's thoughts?
00:40:33
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Hello again, I'm Alex in this web. When I saw this lab happen, I think my immediate reaction was, it's gonna be bad for him. And knowing that he's a black man, it's going to be 10 times worse for you. I just didn't know how bad it was going to be. So seeing that he's banned for the Oscars from 10 years and all of his upcoming projects being halted and all these different talks that he's in, completely being shut down.
00:41:03
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I was like, yeah, they're really going to blackball him in a capacity that he, I mean, does he deserve some punishment? Sure, he shouldn't have slapped Chris Rock on stage. Whatever the case may be, I understand why he did it. But I definitely think the reaction is way stronger because he is a black man in America. And if a white man would have done something like this or like, we have seen examples in the past where they've done things that are not okay, they are not punished to the same extent. So I definitely do think it's too much.
00:41:35
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I mean, I agree with everything that's been said. I think, obviously, it's not the right stage for that. And I think even he won the award, so he could have gone up and said something when he was accepting his speech, but he said he'd gone up and slapped Chris Rock. So not the right stage, but I think in general.
00:41:54
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It is a little too much in terms of all these repercussions that are coming. I feel he's getting a lot of heat for what he did. And he's kind of being silent, too. But we haven't really heard his side of things either. So I feel like if these things would give him an opportunity to speak instead of just shutting him down, that would be better. Yeah, thank you. Oh, we got another comment coming back, coming back. Coming back, coming back.
00:42:19
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I do want to say that I just feel bad for Venus and Serena, two black women that I feel aren't really being talked about as much in the conversation. Because this is the second time their father's biography came written as an award and it's been overshadowed by someone doing something. So I feel like we need to also uplift Venus and Serena, two very impactful black women in this conversation too.
00:42:44
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That's so real, especially since King Richard was actually a very, very good film, like, Wilson did deserve that Oscar, and it's really sad to, like, that all of that is being overshadowed by this, like, one really poorly chosen moment. Yeah, I'm gonna check it out on the flight back to Atlanta. I know, dealt to the, you know, shout out to Delta E, if you have any questions.
00:43:04
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You know, they got it on the listing, so I didn't get to check it out. But thanks for that, because I never, I also didn't even think, because there's so many different people and perspectives that are being excluded from this experience, even outside of Will and Jada that have been impacted. I mean, think about even the children that are watching the Oscars, you know, black boys, you know, that are internalizing this and saying like, hey, this is how I react to the situation. I got to get gangsta. I got to slap somebody in order to,
00:43:32
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create the response I needed to protect my woman but that's not always necessarily the case sometimes protection comes in different ways as was mentioned maybe behind the scenes or maybe you know maybe you come out with your own special or maybe you guys have a boxing match you know off of that you know at the like two three weeks later you know get it back together at the end of the day right so
00:43:54
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And this was also the first Oscar show that was produced by a black man. I'm sorry, I don't remember the name right now, but this was kind of like the quote unquote blackest Oscar, right? And for something like that to happen, like the Academy is going to run with that and be like, we can't have these black people running the show. Cause like, you see what happened. Although this same exact stuff happens with white people, but again, the magnifying glasses like on black people times a hundred. So like,
00:44:21
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That's just really an unfortunate byproduct of the situation. So yeah, we do want to be respectful your time because it is 456 but
00:44:31
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Yeah, we really appreciate you guys coming out, you know, participating in the conversation. This is recorded so you can hear yourselves back here in this conversation again. So it's going to be forever in SBA presents the lounge memory, archived, stamped, whatever. And if you weren't already watching the show, I encourage you guys to, or it's not watching, but listening. Well, it should be watching soon as we want it to hopefully transition to video soon. But like, if you guys are already listening to the podcast, we encourage you guys to do
00:44:58
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00:45:23
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00:45:39
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00:45:54
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00:46:43
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Put it on the mic real quick.
00:46:46
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Hello everyone and welcome to our second SNMA Presents The Lounge Live. Today we're going to be doing an AMEC recap to talk about what y'all have been enjoying in the conference so far and also what y'all are looking forward to for the rest of this conference. So before every show we do a little icebreaker so that we can get to know you know each other a little bit better and today we want to definitely engage the audience and get to know y'all a little bit
00:47:14
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better too. So this icebreaker is for all of us. The question is, what is your favorite travel destination and why? Or what is a place that you haven't been to but really want to go and why? So I can start first. My name is student Dr. Skenda. I am not one of the hosts of the podcast. I usually be behind the scenes as the executive producer, but I am filling in today for one of our hosts, Erica, who unfortunately could not make it today.
00:47:43
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So one of my favorite travel destinations has been Tulum. I went there for my 25th birthday, and it was honestly just such a vibe. Yeah, I just went with some close friends who are actually in the audience. Shout out to the besties. Yeah, shout out to girls. Ow. Ow. Yeah, so it was very relaxing, you know? We went to St. Northes, took cute pictures, and it was just a vibe, you know? Like, it's not always running around, so I really appreciated that. How many of y'all?
00:48:14
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I'm student Dr. Aldwin. Nice to meet everybody. Is it? Can I hear me? Okay. Student Dr. Aldwin, Bronx Neuro-Dio, Enriching Doc BX, Student Dr. Poppy. No, that's all mine, you know. But anyway.
00:48:34
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I would say my favorite spot, like I went to DR about like four months ago and it's very cheap to have fun. I'll say that. So I love DR and I love like the the water is clear, like the people are beautiful, like I even have business ideas just off of going and traveling. There's a spot down there it's called in Mr. Green and they have a
00:48:56
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a car wash, barbershop, and then outdoor lounge. So think about it. You pull up to the spot, get your car wash, get your line up, and then your shorty doesn't meet you right there. Perfect.
00:49:11
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Hey, everyone. I'm student Dr. Isabella. So my favorite, so I've been, I'm a big traveler. I love to travel, but I would have to say that my favorite would probably be the St. Thomas. I've been there twice. I went twice when I was an undergrad. It was more so like a mission trip type thing for spring break, but I always love it. It's a good vibe because it's just, it's different over there. Everyone's just relaxed. The weather is great. Like there's always something to do. People are always like an enjoyment type of mood and that's my natural vibe. So yeah.
00:49:41
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that would be my favorite vacation spot but okay so without further ado we're just gonna get into oh sorry oh they have to say it too sorry guys yeah so please when you go on the mic please give us your name what school you're coming from and what year you are all right
00:50:06
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What's up, everybody? My name is Rowan. I am a fourth year at the University of Chicago. And my travel destination I haven't been to yet, but we've been planning it since, like, 2012, something like that. We've been saying we're going to go to Brazil for the longest, and eventually we will. Eventually we will. It's that student doctor, the loans, you know what I mean? And all that. And you don't work. The Brazil is fire. Y'all should definitely make it out there.
00:50:36
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So I'm the worst person to ask this question because I haven't traveled anywhere outside or anywhere. I don't know. That's the thing. I wouldn't even know where I want to travel, but I do know that my friends are scheduling a fourth-year Greece trip for graduating. Yeah, I got money. Come on. I'll have me. On my trip, 24? OK. My name is Annie. I go to Meharry Medical College. And I don't know.
00:51:03
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I've been feeling Singapore. It just gets expensive for me. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to Singapore. You know, I've always never said. It's not wine. What's your insult? Let us know. Anybody there, A-N-N-I-E-B-O-D-Y, they're there. Nice. Thank you, Annie. Thanks, everybody. We're going to get into our recap. So what are some things that y'all have been enjoying?
00:51:32
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Yeah, so unfortunately I'm here in the middle of my clerkship year, so I have been studying intermittently because I'm not trying to, you know, play myself, but the little things I've gone to, we went to, so yes, so yeah, actually no, today we went to the luncheon, so that's one. Everyone was there, so I expect that everybody has an opinion about the luncheon. Then we went to, wait, where did you go to again, Aldwyn?
00:51:58
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Aldon's been doing all the D.O. events, so anything D.O. Aldon's been there. I personally, I'm not the best representative of what's going on, because I've been busy. But I can speak on the watching. Busy doing what? I've been studying. But I've also been, oh, but I can talk about the nightlife.
00:52:20
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Right, busy. I went to the night in the city, that was fun. I don't know if I want to go to another big thing again, that was just a lot. It was giving undergrad PTSD, but it was nice. So yeah, that's kind of what I've been out to, but I don't know if I'm a great representative of what's going on.
00:52:41
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So go ahead. Yeah, I feel for me like yesterday I moderated a panel for a neurology and I really enjoyed that because it's you know our future is the youth is our future and just even being inspired by the two neurologists that were on panel with me. We had a child neurologist and a cognitive behavioral neurologist and I've never met a black
00:53:01
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woman that's a cognitive behavioral neurologist so to be in that seat and be able to like talk to she's speaking directly into me and feeding me the energy and encouragement that I need as I progress toward residency so that was great and dope to do obviously today you know we had the luncheon I think we had an incredible speaker and Dr. Cameron Webb as some of you may or may not know you know he ran for Congress and he's you know he sits on the Biden Coronavirus Task Force JDMD
00:53:28
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And for me, just to be able to see that and highlight his challenges and him being so transparent with us, because I feel like in medicine, we have this perfection of what medicine is like. We got to get grades, A's on our exams. We got to get honors on our shelves and have a standard, a really high standard, to excel all the time. And sometimes being on 100, it's cool, but being on 100 all the time, that is not what life is about. Life is about.
00:53:57
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challenging yourself but also acknowledging that you are empowered to do what you want and how you want it and sometimes perseverance is the most important things despite the failures that you may experience. So I really love that talk and then another event that will be hosting tomorrow if you guys are interested in pulling up any pre-meds in the building.
00:54:20
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Okay. Well, it don't matter. Well, of course, Aunt Dean, you'll be there. Yeah, yeah. But tomorrow, so I'm also one of the osteopathic committee co-chairs. So tomorrow we're having an osteopathic breakfast at 8.30 a.m. My M.D. counterparts in here, y'all can pull up. It's just to, you know, celebrate osteopathy. We have our CEO of the AOA, which is the American Osteopathic Association, giving our keynote talk. So if you want to learn more about
00:54:46
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osteopathy, pull up. We also will be having a DO speed dating event where you'll be able to, not an actual speed dating event, because people are like, oh, DOs? I bet mad people are looking like, oh, we're having a speed dating event. But we're going to have DOs, like physicians that are in different fields, and they're going to essentially inspire pre-meds and medical students. We have an anesthesiologist coming through. We have a former national president of SNMA, Dr. Daniel Ward, who was the first DO president.
00:55:15
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three, four years ago, who is a plastic surgery resident currently speak. So again, it's not just for DOs, also for MDs as well for you guys to establish a network. And then we also have an OMT workshop. So if anybody's interested in osteopathic manipulative techniques, we use our hands to treat.
00:55:32
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many conditions such as constipation, pitot edema, you even have a technique for hiccups as well. So if you want to pull up and learn more about osteopathic medicine, I suggest you pull up and show some love. We appreciate your support. Sorry guys, I forgot. I went to one other thing yesterday. I went to
00:55:51
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The sewing seed specialty event on ortho and there was a lot of different sewing seeds events So I'm pretty sure people probably went to other ones for different specialties, but that was actually really great The turnout was amazing and the panel was really like it was a mix of residents a mix of attendings and they really kind of gave the perspective as to how they entered the field like different avenues that you could take to make your application like Competitive so I just think that like, you know to those who went to any specialty series. Hopefully you guys got a lot out of that because I did Yeah, so that's
00:56:21
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I wanted to put that in there because I did go to more than one event. Nice. Yeah. So some of the things that I've attended, I've been busy running around just like y'all. But today I actually had a chance to go to the natural hair talk. So there were some black women physicians on the panel who spoke about their journey with their natural hair and just speaking about how they've kind of
00:56:49
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you know, rectified professionalism as we consider it in these predominantly white spaces and navigating their natural hair. So it was awesome to see them come together and all hear their stories and support each other in that way. That was cool. I also did go to the residence luncheon. It was dope.
00:57:09
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to hear the speaker, you're right, he was super inspiring. I also thought it was really dope to see the new president get sworn in, and they did their traditional sitting on the stool, and that was really special, and I thought it was awesome that they also did that for Dr. Austin Sayobo, who was the immediate past president, and obviously due to the pandemic, was not able to have that experience, so I think that was something that was really special.
00:57:34
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to witness. Yeah and then you know something that it's not really an event but it's going on all throughout AMEC that I've been to is actually the professional exhibit fair so you know during this time
00:57:46
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There are two separate exhibits, one for pre-medical students to get connected with medical schools, and then one for medical students to get connected with residency programs. And so I just think that's a really great opportunity to network and learn more about different specialties, even beyond some of the events going on at AMEX. So we'd definitely recommend that y'all hit that up. If you have not been there yet, they're usually running till 6 p.m. every day downstairs near the ballroom.
00:58:12
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Yes, check that out. But now we want to engage y'all as an audience and ask you guys what your favorite events so far have been at AMEC and why. Alright, so I'm just going to go around with the mic and hear from a couple of y'all, okay? Yes, what's your question?
00:58:41
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I actually read the paragraph but I thought it was a really cool idea for just my professionals to be able to meet
00:58:49
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counterparts that look like them and actually kind of like, you know, mingle, especially for like a single people. So I was wondering why you guys didn't turn into an actual speed date. I want to know that too all the way. I think, you know, the concept was to allow networking to happen in place for deals. Oftentimes people think that we're not in
00:59:09
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competitive places and we have various people in various positions that represent that. So we want to change that dynamic and demystify what it means to be a DO. But AMX is hard for next year and I'm going to neurology residency at UConn, so I'll be in Hartford. So that is something that we will manifest next year. So thank you for that recommendation.
00:59:34
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Oh, thank you, appreciate that. There is also an AMX Singles group name. There is? For real? Yeah, there is. They changed the name. Yo, Skinda, add me. I got you all these. All right, so yeah, let's hear from some of our audience members with something that you have enjoyed at AMX so far and why.
01:00:06
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Not necessarily an event, but just like running into like all my friends from other schools. Application process has been really cool like connecting different like friend groups basically having everybody meet each other has been really really dope.
01:00:18
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Yeah, that's like my favorite part. I went to AMEC and Philly in 2019. And I was a second year med student. And there's people there that I met that they were residents then. And now there's fellows now. There's people that, when I went to New Orleans in 2016, that they still inspire me. Even when I was walking the hallway here, there was two doctors that I know. One of them is on a podcast as well, very popular podcast.
01:00:44
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and the other person, she does branding and media marketing for physicians. So I hadn't seen them ever in person. So it was just so dope, like you said, to actually connect with people and interview to her or wherever. And these are people that are lifelong friends or lifelong wives or husbands that you're going to be meeting at the end of the day. So cherish this experience because it's very special. Can you specify the wives and the husband's part? People finding their husbands and their wives. Oh, OK. I got a little confused, guys. Hope is lifelong. OK.
01:01:14
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OK. Yeah, I agree. I've seen a lot of people. I saw my friend who I did an internship with this past summer. That was crazy. I saw my friend from undergrad, or yeah, no, high school actually. So you see a lot of different people. It's like a great way to connect with everyone again. So it's really cool.
01:01:33
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Hi everyone, my name is Ade, I'm a fourth year medical student at Brown. One of the external fair chairs, so super happy to be here because the lounge was, you know, the EAC baby and you guys are killing it, so super happy to be here. I would say, I guess Skenda wants me to talk about this, but...
01:01:51
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This is also a highlight for me. I spoke on a talk yesterday on advocacy and art about my documentary and my process as a photographer and documentary filmmaker using those as a means of health advocacy. It was well-attended, which was great, because I was like, what are people going to come? But it was a packed room, so I'm really happy about that. And it's great to see the lounge also evolving through AMEC and becoming a large part of the SNMA. So thank you all for being here.
01:02:21
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Stop being modest. This woman right here, 40 under 40 right here. She's killing the game, man. Thanks. Shout out to you. And I was so disappointed we couldn't attend that event. Actually, it was like the next room over. And all we heard was this claps. Yeah, it was fire. So we were always feeling the energy.
01:02:42
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right exactly except for our room only had seven people but you know we are evolving we got people here and i'm celebrating everybody that's exactly all right i'll hear from one other person what is an event that you've attended so far that you've enjoyed
01:03:09
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Hi, everybody. I'm Kyra. I am a second year at American University of Antigua. I have actually really enjoyed House of Delegates. I know that's not something that people usually enjoy. You different.
01:03:26
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But I think it's been really interesting to just see really the behind the scenes of what happens in SMA. We just get to see the programming part, but we don't get to really interact with the business part as much. And so I actually really enjoyed getting to hear from the candidates today and excited to vote tomorrow.
01:03:48
Speaker
By the way, speaking of that, if you're interested as well, and we need more leaders, you guys are all the future of SNMA and speaking to that, you should consider running for a position, especially if you're interested in the HOD, being the Speaker of the House would be something that, maybe something that you're interested in running for. Or a parliamentarian, we also have our internal affairs chairs that are potential positions that you could run for, so stay in tune with that.
01:04:16
Speaker
Yeah, and we've already kind of talked about some of the things that are coming up in the next couple of days, but I was wondering if you all specifically had any sessions that you were looking forward to tomorrow or any other extracurricular commands that you were going to attend that you were looking forward to. For me, I'll give something that's on the schedule as a graduating fourth year student, something that I've been thinking about a lot is my finances because, you know,
01:04:46
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I'm going to have to start paying loans soon and figuring out my life. And I know that I'm not the only person in that boat. But there are a couple financial literacy sessions happening tomorrow, so I'm going to definitely try to hit one of those up. Yeah, how about you all? Do you have anything that you're particularly interested in?
01:05:08
Speaker
Um, I'm looking forward to studying once again, but I'm also looking forward to, um, I'm sorry like that. I'm so like, I'm, I'm bearing the stress for the sake of the event and the sake of the podcast, but it's, it's definitely there. Um, but I'm looking forward to the suturing. Oh, I appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, that was me getting vulnerable. Um, but I think I'm,
01:05:31
Speaker
I'm looking forward to the future end of that, because I think that will be a nice way to kind of brush up on that, because I am interested in something surgical. So that will be a cool thing to do. There's the gala, which I know everybody should be attending. If you're not planning to go, you should go. That will be really fun, but it's going to come dressed up. It's going to be kind of like a luncheon, but I think more catered towards the fourth year. So we want to celebrate the fourth year to match, as well as subscribing. So that'll be a great event to turn up to. I think, is there something else?
01:06:01
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that I was looking out on the schedule.
01:06:07
Speaker
the HBCU event. Oh yeah, so the HBCU event. Why choose that? Yeah, like why choose the HBCU medical school? I think that was great. Andi actually ended up going to that and it was, yeah, that already happened. She went to that, that was really cool. I went to an HBCU for undergrad, I went to Howard, so like that always hits close to home, so I would always encourage anyone to apply if they want to apply to that, but for tomorrow, I think that was the main stuff I was planning to go to because I guess I was taking my life together, but maybe a little more. Oh, yoga seems pretty cool.
01:06:36
Speaker
Yes. Namaste. I'm out of position. So, yeah, that's about it. Oh, I have something. Oh, okay, sorry. Tonight is... Y'all ready for that 90s party? Everybody in here? Y'all going?
01:06:50
Speaker
Nah, what's the vibe looking like? How y'all feeling? After last night? Sleep? No, that's what I'm looking for, huh? What happened yesterday? What happened yesterday? That was new. Yeah, give us a tea. Like too many hats? I need the mic, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hearing that. I want to hear your true love last night. Do share. Yeah, what you was doing?
01:07:16
Speaker
I enjoyed it, but I think it was just very over capacity. You know, you want to go out, you want to enjoy yourself. At the same time, you want to still have fun. But, you know, the guys out there was a little gropey gropey. Oh, nah. That's wild. But I don't think right now I'm interested in going out for it.
01:07:43
Speaker
Does anyone have a counter argument on Dina saying? How did you guys feel about going out? Did I say, can we join up last night? Can we target the guys? Yes, yes. EJZ, fourth year medical student at the University of Chicago. I thought the party last time was pretty good.
01:08:18
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That ain't it. Sorry about that.
01:08:26
Speaker
Yes, it is good Friday, so you know. Yeah, point them out so we can get them hands on them. I thought we already talked about the hands and everything with Will Smith. We're not recounting that conversation. Oh, somebody wants to run it. Someone wants us to run it back. Run it back, huh? We talked about that way too much. Yeah, we went into it yesterday.
01:08:50
Speaker
I actually think that the osteopathic manipulations technique thing you're talking about is very cool. I know that as an MD we really don't get exposure to that kind of training, but I think it's really important to be able to provide that for patients, and so I definitely will see if I can make that out to that.
01:09:10
Speaker
Yeah, pull up. Actually, 10% of residency programs have an osteopathic recognition, so if you guys are interested in learning more about that, certainly look out for those residencies. I know University of Minnesota and their family medicine residency, even if you're MD, you have an osteopathic manipulative
01:09:30
Speaker
technique course that you take during your residency program and you actually have to do clinical hours throughout your three years there. So yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to it. I think oftentimes like people, it's like, again, it's like a mystery what is being a deal and what is like the manipulative techniques that we do.
01:09:47
Speaker
So it's a beauty, because it's a toolkit that you're able to just utilize. Even if not on your patients, you could use it on family members, you know, different techniques, like for people to have muscle spasms, people with fibromyalgia, like it's so many different conditions. And I feel, especially in society today, we just used to give them medications, you know what I'm saying? Like you have a heart attack or a beta block or whatever, you know what I mean? But how about also on the holistic side? What is that?
01:10:11
Speaker
mental state, right? If someone has chronic back pain for 25 years, and if I treat that chronic back pain, then thus I can reduce the amount of anxiety or depression that they have, right? So you're changing so many different outcomes and being aware and in tune with that. Yeah, it's definitely important. Thank you.
01:10:31
Speaker
So I guess more in terms of extracurricular activities outside of the conference going on. I heard there was a pool party yesterday.
01:10:42
Speaker
Does anybody attend now? Has anybody been taking advantage of the amenities? There is a pool and the hotel is open until midnight, so you know. We're not telling you to go, but we're telling you to go. Yes, we're not telling you to go, but you are in Orlando, Florida. It's nice outside. There's multiple pools in the resort, so take advantage of that. Golf course, too? Yes, there's also a golf course that you can access for free. The gym is not free, but the golf course is free.
01:11:11
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Make it make sense. That's not sensing at all. South Florida.
01:11:31
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Nobody else can, though. But yes, definitely make sure to take advantage of all the amenities inside the resort. There's a ton of nice restaurants in the area, the pool. There's a fitness center and a spa. So if you've got it like that, get yourself a little massage. You know what I'm saying? Relax and just enjoy the conference.
01:11:57
Speaker
So I guess kind of outside of our AMAC recap, oh, one other thing I wanted to plug is tonight there is a vibe and paint going on from 6.30 to 9. So if you want to flex your creativity a little bit, be around other black people, just enjoy liquor. Yeah, enjoy liquor. I don't know if you can enjoy whatever that means. But yes, make sure to take advantage of that as well.
01:12:28
Speaker
Yes, sorry. Yes, and the paint vibe is free, unlike a lot of the other extracurricular events. Did anyone go out to the silent party yesterday?
01:12:43
Speaker
Crickets. You didn't? All right. Tell us about it. How was it? See, Alvin's been to everything so far. Yes, I love socializing, as you guys may not know. But it was dope. Like, it was probably 50, 60 people there. They had three different stations that you could tune in. So it was cool. You see people, they got red on, and it's so good. Afro beats, and the other color was like rock or something like that. I don't know. But I was like, once I heard it, I was like, yeah, I'm dropping that.
01:13:09
Speaker
And then the other joint was like rap, hip-hop, like 90s and 2000s. So it was cool just seeing everybody. And this is weird, you walking in there and then you take off the actual headphones and it's like, people's like.
01:13:22
Speaker
in a quiet room. So I really loved it. My boy pulled up with me too, so it was dope. It was a dope, dope, dope event. And I employ you guys, if you can, even if you don't feel like you're going out, I think it's still an opportunity to network. One of my models is every day I want to meet somebody new. And you see me, she be walking with me in the hallways here. I just say hello to random people.
01:13:47
Speaker
Why you do that? Because you never know who is that person that could change your life I got blessed just offer me even on Instagram me I projected into the universe what I needed on Instagram I posted that I need help with getting my you world questions You know I mean so a doctor actually hit me up and cash at me like $400. I'm saying off
01:14:08
Speaker
projecting that so I'm just saying that to say like project your desires into the universe and to the people that are here pour yourself into this experience because you never know this is not this may not happen again for a little while obviously with AMAC being next year so celebrate and cherish and I celebrate and cherish each and every one of you I mean I appreciate you guys for pulling up
01:14:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's a wonderful way to end things. I don't know if you have any other final thoughts as well. No.
01:14:39
Speaker
Yeah, this has been great. This is like really supposed to be a space where you guys can talk about, you know, whatever you guys are looking forward to, either tomorrow, what you've liked, and we can have a conversation. But if you don't think that's what you want to do, then... I have a conversation I want to have. Oh, go ahead. It's a free-for-all. I mean, we're not scripted, so this is very much... We were... Oh, yeah.
01:15:09
Speaker
So Darren was rising in for Indiana School of Medicine, just to touch off of learning the osteopathic manipulations. And I think it's somewhat important, even though we're all kind of going into different fields, the fact that we, recognizing that we may be the only physicians in our communities, in our families,
01:15:37
Speaker
I'm interested in going into psychiatry. But somebody is going to ask me about maybe a heart condition, maybe some, they got a muscle strain because they know that you're a doctor, so they expect you to know what's going on with them. So I think it's always kind of important and kind of a burden that we bear that we do have to make sure that we broaden what we know about all the medicine, right? Not just kind of focusing on my specialty.
01:16:10
Speaker
Yeah, that was a great take. I think there is a lot of pressure, actually, to know everything. I'm just like, wow, I really wish I could not care about this, but I should care about it, because it could come in handy in the future if someone needs me to know about it, especially if I have the privilege to know that information. So I completely agree. I think that's a great point.
01:16:30
Speaker
Yeah, I love like, again, like the holistic perspective, just seeing things from an outside box, you know, not every, as you've seen on rotations, like not every patient fits like a picture perfect. This person has, again, fibromyalgia or has stroke, like every individual is different in the way they represent a disease, but also in the way that they project themselves on to you and communicate. So having that receptiveness and being open to other options is really good.
01:16:57
Speaker
But I do have a topic that I wanted to bring up. Is it going to be messy? Yeah, it is not really messy, but it might be a little messy. We were talking earlier today with someone in the audience. I'm not going to point her out, but she says, black men, well, men are trash. Oh, wait. OK, hold on. Let's not. I don't think she phrased like that. I think she said black men cheat.
01:17:26
Speaker
No, they don't. Sorry. Yeah. There you go. Oh, wait. Hold on. I thought that's like generalizing everybody. You can't say just like, I remember that. Oh. That's right. There you go. I thought I was going to make it spicy. I was into you. I wasn't trying to get at you though.
01:17:44
Speaker
Yo, I wasn't trying to get at cheats though. All right, hi everyone. My name is Lena.
Do Black Men Cheat? [Question]
01:17:50
Speaker
So not saying black men don't cheat, but I'm saying they're all black men. Stop lying, they don't. You know, I can't say that with confidence. So I think the question here wasn't like, is this a sweeping statement of who cheats or who doesn't? It's more so, can we bring acknowledgement to black men cheating?
01:18:13
Speaker
Yeah. I think, let's just give the audience a little bit of context, okay? I went straight into it. She hit me. You don't hit my chest when I heard that. So basically we were talking about the rumors that ASAP Rocky cheated on Rihanna. It is Rihanna. It's not Rihanna. Why? Thank you for that. It's Rihanna. Exactly. What is going on? And our audience member was like, I believe that because men cheat.
01:18:43
Speaker
Women cheat too. Let's not neglect that as an option. I've mistaken several words there.
01:18:59
Speaker
So is there any like man in this room who has a like has a besides Aldwin like who has a rebuttal to that like This like do you guys think it's become like Like a generalizable kind of thing to all men or do you think that we're talking about a specific subset of people? When we say that it's gonna pass the Michael is the concept that men are expected to do
01:19:26
Speaker
Yes. I like that question. I like the question. I'm saying if your response to A$AP Rocky Cheated Ariana is that I believe it because men cheat, then is the implication that in any relationship you can almost anticipate that a man is going to cheat? Great question. That's a clarifying question. I don't know who made the statement. We don't know who made the statement.
01:19:55
Speaker
Then
Respect in Relationships and Stereotypes
01:19:57
Speaker
your responses yes or anybody on the spot, but I Guess I'll say like from my perspective. I don't think it's not like you anticipate that a man is gonna cheat in a relationship but I also Wouldn't not
01:20:18
Speaker
He's trying to be careful. Nah, let's get messy. Nah, keep it 100. Let's get messy. Like, have you ever cheated? Is that a relevant question? That is a very relevant question. That is a very relevant question.
01:20:41
Speaker
I don't want to answer that, right? I'm not swearing oath. I don't got tennis to testify. I mean, you can plead the fifth, but you know. Exactly. I'm going to plead the fifth. Just like when I get stopped by cops. I don't see that. I'm going to plead the fifth. Silence. That your silence is loud.
01:21:01
Speaker
Let him assume. Let him assume. I ain't in bed with nobody in here. Let him assume. Right? So. I didn't say I cheated or not, though. Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. All right, we got an audience response. So with my thing is, you just have to roll the dice and hope you don't cheat. That's it.
01:21:30
Speaker
But I think it doesn't really necessarily have to do with who like black men or anything like that. I think it's more about
01:21:37
Speaker
How much does he respect you and respect women in general? I think that's a more important factor that influences that. And I think it's sometimes seen in the black community that black men do not respect their own women more often. So I think that's more of an influencing factor, not just because it's a black dude or something like that.
01:22:01
Speaker
But speaking to that, yesterday we talked about how do black men support black women? Get away from the cheating stuff. Talk a little bit too much about that. No, we're still there. We're still there. You can respond, but we're still on the cheating topic.
01:22:20
Speaker
But I think it's important to also understand, really, how do we support black women? What is our roles as black men? How do we uplift our queens as kings at the end of the day? What are your thoughts on that, especially for a woman in the audience? Because he brought up respect. And I was like, I do appreciate you using that word, respect, integrity. How do we acknowledge that? And how do we accomplish those goals? And probably just to go on there,
01:22:49
Speaker
So I play football in college, and it was always amazing when we would come up to me and they're like, oh, you like black women? Wow, that's great. Yeah. And it always shocked me because, I mean, yeah, why wouldn't I? But then I look at a lot of my teammates and I'm like, well, is that a common thing for a lot of women to see black athletes?
01:23:19
Speaker
Very, very common. Like, very common. But I think it's because of the way media portrays athletes. It's not a media thing. I think it's a media thing. I'm not exclusive to athletes. I think, especially
Desirability and Support in Black Communities
01:23:32
Speaker
in recent years, there's been a very heavy emphasis on black women not being the preference. And if you look at
01:23:41
Speaker
Like there's a situation, I don't want to get too much into it. There's a situation going on with the man that just passed away. And he like made it very clear that black women were not his preference. But now we're being called in to support him after the fact.
01:24:02
Speaker
when he wanted nothing to do with us, when he was alive. So I think it's not necessarily just restricted to athletes, but in recent times it has just been a very clear preference for everybody but black women.
01:24:18
Speaker
See, I'm gonna have to budge on that because it shows, you know, like, at least everybody in my circle, and again, everyone has their own particular preference, but all my boys that I know, they date only black women. And I only date black women. That's my personal preference. I love everybody. But at the end of the day, even statistics have shown that close to 85 to 90% of black men end up marrying a black woman. Wait, which statistic are you pointing at? I'll pull it up. Okay. Yeah. How are you? Okay.
01:24:48
Speaker
But the reason why I'm saying that stuff is because I see it in my own life and I know a lot of people you know I'm saying so it's not even like I know it's anecdotal but from the perspective of us like we we can't have that standard of black men are always dating outside like
01:25:05
Speaker
But I think there's truth to it. That's the problem. I don't think it's true at all. It's because media portrays, we see these, like you said, athletes. And again, it's their preference. But of course, that is one sub-select group of people. Athletes don't make up all black men. Even in my school. I mean, I don't want to put anybody out there. But even in school, you see black men. It doesn't even have to just be white people. It can be brown people, like Indians.
01:25:32
Speaker
Just not black, like you can be kind of ethnic, you can be kind of like, you know, have a little flavor, but you just, as long as you're not black, like you fit that bubble, and I feel like we don't talk about that enough, because we don't like, I feel like by talking about it, it doesn't increase the desirability of black women, like it doesn't do anything in that point, like you prefer what you prefer, but at the same time, it's like, if we're in these spaces and we're supporting black men, and they're not stepping up to the ones you're dating aren't stepping up to the table, you kind of have to think about that a little bit more.
01:26:01
Speaker
So you bring up desirability. So what do you think, what is your perspective on black women's desirability? My perspective doesn't matter because I'm not the one choosing black women, right? It's your subgroup, your community. You got my man in the back.
01:26:24
Speaker
Yes, I've heard some comments about this discourse by a black woman. I come to support this black man for his beliefs.
01:26:33
Speaker
And everybody has their right to do whatever they want to do, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, everybody needs to be this, like, altruistic, like, the same. But, at the same time, I believe that a lot of people in this room, stand by, black lives matter. Like, point blank, being neat, no qualifications there. So, should it matter what this man's opinions, beliefs, perceptions were?
01:26:56
Speaker
Prior to his death, I mean, he died. He was savagely, brutally killed. And no justice has been sought. And so I get that he offended a lot of people by his comments. But if we say Black Lives Matter, it shouldn't matter what he had to say beforehand. And that's my two
Supporting Black Lives Amid Personal Beliefs
01:27:16
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cents on that.
01:27:17
Speaker
I think that's a great point. I think that black lives definitely do matter and we stand on that. I'm going to push you just a little bit, just a little bit, because I do think that as black women, we're also our own entity and I feel like sometimes if we don't say that, they kind of lump us in this one group and then we don't get
01:27:35
Speaker
We don't get seen in the way that we're also unique because we're both women and we're black. So that's in itself super minoritized in addition to just being black. So if you just say, oh like black people, it kind of then continues to push us out of the picture because we're already kind of like very much invisible in that space. So that's how I'm pushing back on you, but I do agree with what you're saying.
01:27:57
Speaker
Nah, push back, bro. I don't want beats. I don't want problems. I don't disagree with that, by the way. I definitely appreciate and respect the question, how can black men support black women? I think that you brought up a lot of important points there. What I'm trying to say is,
01:28:26
Speaker
What was being expressed earlier, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that black women, and I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm saying this is what was expressed. Black women are now coming to the support of this black man because he has some disgusting views on black women as a whole.
01:28:47
Speaker
I just think that you can compartmentalize it. You can still address the fact that I don't agree with what you said, I don't stand by that, that we feel deep. At the same time recognize, I'm like, yo, your black life matters. You deserve justice, your family deserves justice. You were murdered. So I don't disagree with that. I think we do need to have more conversations and explore this topic, but the whole black woman not coming to his aid because he said XYZ.
01:29:17
Speaker
I don't know if that's the right thing to do. You do what you want to do. I think it's more like
01:29:24
Speaker
I think it's more not necessarily that black women aren't supporting this man. I think it's just people are saying to black women, you need to support this man after he clearly did not want anything to do with us. So it's like, why am I being added to the group chat after all of this stuff happened? I do feel like it is wrong for anyone to celebrate the harm of another person
01:29:53
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and like hopefully nobody
Conclusion and Podcast Promotion
01:29:54
Speaker
is doing that regardless of what has happened in the past but I do think that it's like for this white woman to have killed this black man and then for people to be like black woman like why aren't you coming to the support of this guy who had like nothing who wanted nothing to do with you it's like okay like why why are we always expected to like support people who don't support us if that makes sense you know like it's like that expectation like no one is giving space
01:30:22
Speaker
or black women to like step back and be like, you know, this was tragic, but this is also like not really a problem. That's it. I really do wish we could have more engaging and dynamic conversation with y'all because, you know, all of them really open.
01:30:37
Speaker
I like getting spicy. I like it. Please continue to have these conversations amongst yourself. Please continue to like connect with other people, you know, outside of your school, your region, like your cohort of friends, whatever, because that's really what AMEC is about, making new connections, having these conversations and, you know, really just like,
01:30:59
Speaker
solidifying your values and ideals moving forward. So thank you all for joining us for this session. We really appreciate your engagement and participation. And we are available on all streaming platforms. So please follow SMA Presents The Lounge. We release a new episode every Friday. And please give a wonderful round of applause to our awesome hosts out here.
01:31:29
Speaker
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01:31:57
Speaker
Thank you.