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OPE Season 3 Episode 9 Packers Lasso the Colts
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! This week we bring in one of our newest content creators Justin as we break down the Packers victory over the Colts! We talk the good, the bad and, the ugly! We also have a new edition of our STFU segment!
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Intro
Celebrating Packers Win
00:00:31
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the AHANA Packers edition podcast, the podcast where we are finally celebrating a Packers win. I know I say that a little bit over over the top, but coming into this game, no love, Willis only, good to get a win, get back to 500, especially as the rest of the division gets shuffled
Team Morale Discussion
00:00:50
Speaker
around about us. But Joe,
00:00:52
Speaker
It's nice to be talking about a win after the Belgium we were in following not just the loss in Brazil, but also the uncertainty with the love injury. So. I know that spirits are a little higher, yeah, good to see a Packers win tonight or this morning. For sure.
Concerns and Updates on Key Players
00:01:10
Speaker
um um I mean, it got close there towards the end, but you know it kind of leveled out and came out of victory.
00:01:20
Speaker
The big concern was how Malik Willis was going to do, how the defense was going to do, and so on and so on. So I just want to say that Aaron Nagler, you were wrong in the fact that they were the same fields that they were dealing with down in Brazil as the Packers have in Lambeau because there was not a slippage problem this time.
00:01:43
Speaker
ah Maybe the Colts, but not the Packers. The Packers know what they're doing on top of Lambo. But that's what you get for being a turf team. The Packers win 16 to 10. A game play style and result that would have made Vince Lombardi proud, let's be honest. As we said, the main headline was that Jordan Love was initially listed as questionable on Friday, downgraded to downgraded to doubtful and then out today. And now we have, trying to have Justin from Dad's Den, our new podcast, we are working with it. So I'll just continue on with the recap. But Joe, I thought for what they asked them to do, Malik Willis was solid in today's game. and And that's the main thing, and we'll get into it a little bit later with our newest segment.
00:02:40
Speaker
a little bit more with it. But yeah, for what they asked him to do, you couldn't ask for better. I mean, he actually looked poised. He looked ready. They're the only issue that came about it was when Myers threw up on the ball and Malik didn't want to throw up because he Myers threw up on it. The most real answer that has ever been given in a press conference.
00:03:05
Speaker
yeah yeah ah So other than that, I mean, he moved well, he held up in the pocket well. When they asked him to throw, he he seemed to throw it well.
00:03:16
Speaker
And I have no issues with the way the the the everything went just because we knew that's how things were going to go. You can't ask a guy that's only been in the system for three weeks to go out and pass it 50 some times in a game and expect him to have, you know, 300 yards and and multiple TDs and everything else. So for what they asked of him, I thought they did that he did really well.
00:03:43
Speaker
Yeah, Justin, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us tonight. I know it's been a little bit of a drag, but how are you feeling about today's game?
Guest Appearance by Justin from Dad's Den
00:03:51
Speaker
um hopefully i good you guys hear me no You're kind of breaking up, but we can hear you a little bit. and yeah and go but no Yeah, I thought it was, it probably asked for a better performance coming from on the list in the state. Actually, I want to be in that for three weeks now. The big rock experience. Well, it was the watch, which they were throwing the ball a little bit more, more collection. I was kind of waiting for him to take a shot. But at the same time,
00:04:30
Speaker
the way they were running, the ball was working, they didn't really need to. I thought the game was pretty good. He's having the same problems you had like a couple weeks ago. Yeah, lovely.
00:04:45
Speaker
So, yeah, it again, to repeat ourselves, it was For what they asked of him, it was it was a hell of a game plan. This really shows that the floor can as a hell of a head coach that he can get somebody that ready in that short of time. Yep, so we'll dive in to the offense, but just want to give a shout out as it says in his description.
New Show Announcement: Dad's Den, Title Town Talk
00:05:11
Speaker
Justin is joining.
00:05:14
Speaker
Joining us, him and Mike are going to be running a new show, Dad's Den, Title Town Talk. That'll be on Oat Network. And we're just trying to get everyone introduced and hunky-dory with all the new stuff that we're getting on the website. So Justin, hopefully you'll have better luck over ah over the course of this show than I did in last week's show. But I'm just going to go through our usual flowchart. We always start go offense to defense to special teams. and <unk> We're going to spotlight the big the big elephant in the room for today's game. And it was Malik
Malik Willis's Performance Review
00:05:48
Speaker
Willis. And no, they didn't ask him to reinvent the wheel or go around the world or anything like that. But on surface level, I thought he took what the game plan was and executed it extremely well. And even to the vomit ball incident, honestly, that's good on him for just tucking that down because
00:06:10
Speaker
That would be the worst explanation to tell your coach that, yeah, I couldn't grip the ball good because it was slick with my center's vomit and I threw it anyway and threw a duck that got picked off. So, no, I thought, I thought Malik did really well. I thought most importantly, he was really decisive. His decision-making, uh, seemed to be going through progressions and reads pretty well. And,
00:06:35
Speaker
his two best throws were through the bigger offensive plays of the game. Obviously the throw to Wicks on the touchdown and the throw down the field to Dobbs. The Wicks throw was about as perfect as it had to be.
00:06:52
Speaker
you know yeah He put it outside high and outside shoulder, allowed Wicks to make a play on the ball, let Wicks keep running in stride and score the touchdown. And then on the Dobbs, the Dobbs third down conversion, just allowed his guy a chance to make a play. It wasn't a perfectly thrown pass, but Dobbs made the correct adjustment, but showed the body control to get in phase and come back to the ball and make the catch. so Like you said, Joe, couldn't really ask for anything more given what was put on his plate today. Well, that Wix throw was definitely threading the needle because the DB read it perfectly, was in the position to make a play on it, but was just out of reach for him. And it was just placed perfect to Wix for where he can make the play on it. and and
00:07:44
Speaker
you know it would it was a Jordan Love-esque throw. I know that's weird to say because, you know, normally we're used to Rogers-esque and Farvesque and stuff like that, but it definitely was a Jordan Love-type throw that he put it right, and like you said with the Dobbs one, put it right where the receiver can make a play on it. and And Dobbs did what we were kind of saying about after the Eagles game,
00:08:18
Speaker
he got physical with it. He went up and you know, I know people were comparing it to Randy Moss and you know, saying he Moss, the DB and all that, but he just, he got physical. He went up and he took the ball away from the defender and made the play.
Packers' Running Game Effectiveness
00:08:32
Speaker
So that's what you ask of of your defensive backs. That's what we were kind of saying in that we kind of wish Christian Watson would do a little bit more of and get physical and that, but I don't even know what the breakdowns are, Mike. Do you know of how many throws that Malik actually had? Of course, 14 attempts. Sorry to cut you off. Thank you, Justin. Perfect. Yeah. He's 12, 14. I think he was a buck, buck 22, 126.8 rating for his first goal up there. 136.31 with QBR. Yeah.
00:09:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's really good. I mean, I don't know if anybody else noticed just how calm he was back there. Just calm. Like he didn't seem like he had like, you know, he was nervous. Like he just went out there and executed. And I don't know if you guys listen to the post game, you know, as you know, his conference, what he goes through the dude is just super, super humble. He's just glad to be here. He's taken his chance. He's not.
00:09:40
Speaker
you know out there looking to gloat and stuff like that he you know he put it on on the team it was a great team win and that's the type of you know leadership that you want back there at a quarterback whether that's going to be jordan love or a backup quarterback that's the kind of players that you want on this team. And I think that's something Green Bay has really strived for over the years to to get in that as far as leadership goes. And I love to see it. You can't be nothing but happy for the guy, you know, like we got to win and you got to feel good for Malik Willis to see the future of Green Bay. think that's love, but, you know, the Willis to come in there and and shine to have a solid backup like that.
00:10:20
Speaker
you know That's gonna that's going to go a long ways. That makes you feel good if Jordan Love gets hurt. Does anybody didn' get hurt at any play? We saw that last week. Comes in, can win a game for you that that makes the team more confident moving forward and believing in you. And that's just gonna boost the confidence in Malik Willis going forward. Now, got one win under your belt, guess what? Week three next week, you're getting the Titans. Said it's not a revenge game, but you know i He can maybe throw a little bit in there. You know, he's he's got that one circled on and he wants to get in there and kind of stick it to him. But he'll keep it on the elbow, I think.
00:10:55
Speaker
And kind of like I said earlier, you could just see the poise in him and you know he was even having fun out there. because after was Was it after the touchdown or after the Dobbs throw where the gift now is where he's sitting there slapping his helmet? and you know I think that was after the Dobbs throw, yeah. Yeah, so he was having fun and everything else. And and I said this after they made the trade for it that Even though LaFleur wasn't with Tennessee at the time that they drafted Willis, they still had a lot of holdovers from the coaching staff that LaFleur was on.
Offensive Strategy Focus
00:11:32
Speaker
So Willis does have some experience in this style of offense. He just didn't have it from LaFleur himself. So I was never
00:11:43
Speaker
I don't want to say I was like overconfident with it, but I definitely wasn't on panic mode with it. Cause I knew unless something major happened, they were going to rely on the run, which they did. They were going to lighten the load for Malik, which they did. And they were just going to let Malik go out there and do what he could. I wish we would have got some more like jet sweep type stuff, not the double reverse fake things, but I mean, just legit,
00:12:12
Speaker
Jet sweeps like the one Reed had in in Brazil. And I said, even throw some option out there. you know he He can run the option and and with the backs that they have that they could have easily got. Because you got you saw towards the second half and the later part of the game, that Indianapolis was finally throwing everything that they could to stop the run. And that's when plays had to be made.
00:12:42
Speaker
Well, of course, you're going to be able to stop the run when you're running up the gut every other play. So throw some option in there. Throw some, you know, and that's also when you needed to throw some play action in and get these guys to where you can you can destroy that front. And I know there were points left on the board. I know there was, and like I said, we'll get into some of this stuff later on in the, and with our other segment, but you just you can't ask for more than a guy who's only been here three weeks and had this type of situation you can't ask for more than what he did and you can have high hopes all you want but
00:13:29
Speaker
This isn't a movie this isn't TV show where the backup comes in and throws for 500 yards and seven touchdowns and and you know long term with him and and this is just you know speculation long term is you just hope that he can do like a Matt Flynn or a Brunel or a Detmer that you know he plays well enough in limited very limited situations that either a goes on and makes a ton of money elsewhere or b you trade them later on for draft capital so but that like i said that's way in the future
00:14:04
Speaker
Yeah, totally agree. And as as you said, you know, keep pointing to it, we're going to go around the offense. But the end of the big thing for Willis is that I know he had Derek Henry when he was in Tennessee, but he was drafted the day of day after they traded A.J. Brown to the Eagles. So you don't have A.J. Brown. The guy you drafted trailing Berks has been ah ah just a supreme disappointment.
00:14:27
Speaker
on roster and so like and their old line isn't nearly as good as what Green Bay's is so you know Malik yeah I know he got tartan feather a little bit you know as like overrated prospect bust blah blah blah all that kind of stuff but kind of like Justin pointed out it's nice to see that you know he's looking at Green Bay as the fresh start that he needed and really just the deck is stacked in his favor in this situation even though he's only been here 19 days um he's behind the eight ball in that regard but
00:14:56
Speaker
He understands the just bounty of talent that's around him, you know, compared to what he had around him in Tennessee. so And it was good to see him take advantage of that in in limited opportunity today. but like you like you both pointed out I think LeFoure overall called a great game. He recognized that Indianapolis was had struggles up front stopping the run and he just kept poking and prodding at it until Indianapolis really decided okay like we're gonna just mortgage the future and say we're not gonna let this happen anymore but
00:15:32
Speaker
credit has to go to the floor for you know some people and that's the thing is damned if you do damned if you don't you know i said that i wanted them to take some shots early loosen up the coach defense because everyone knows what's the first thing you do when you're facing in the backup quarterback that opposing team wants to run the ball take take the load off of that backup quarterback yada yada yada I like our O-line. I didn't think that we would be able to have this kind of game where it's just like, yeah, we're just gonna shove it down your throat and there's nothing you can do about it. Great to see from our O-line, a unit that's had a couple of questions. I think, again, we we're gonna keep going to it. We've been doing it for 10 days now, Joe, but it's that field, as much as anyone wanted to say, some even within Packer circles, that it's the same field, it is not.
00:16:22
Speaker
weight and force ratings matter. And you saw it today. This Packers O-line was not slipping, sliding around. They got on balance, got their traction, and were able to really control this game up front and take it to Indianapolis. so You really liked seeing that. And it just made the game very easy for Malik and will flow in from O-line to what was a very good game from the running backs. Unfortunately, Marshawn Lloyd got dinged up by and his best run of the day got taken away by a penalty. But you saw his explosiveness. Emmanuel Wilson was a very had a very solid day coming in, taking some snaps while
00:17:07
Speaker
mar ah not marcha While Jacob's got some rest, especially after Marshawn got injured. And Jacob's, yes, the fumble was bad. That's bad fundamentals all around. you have to be more You have to be more intent on ball security down on the goal line. But otherwise, Josh Jacobs was as advertised today. And I know this is going to get taken the wrong way by a lot of fans, but he is a true workhorse bell cow back.
Comparing Running Backs: Jacobs vs. Jones
00:17:35
Speaker
in a way that for as great as Aaron Jones was, is and was, you cannot put that kind of workload on Jones on a week in week out basis. Jacobs has the build, the the strength to do that on a week in week out basis. And you're really leaning on it while you're waiting for love to come back and for Malik Willis to pick up a little bit more of the playbook.
00:17:59
Speaker
right and i think they said that what is this the first time it since the 70s the the packers have had a russia attempt 32 rushes so this is the most attempts by our running back since the 70s and you know again i said it before we've all said it before it's what we expected we expected them to have a lot of running attempts and everything else did we think they were going to have quite the success that they did maybe not but you know still 32 attempts for 151 and averaged almost 4.8 yards of carry you know that that's basically what an Aaron Jones would do except for the attempts like you said Mike you know he just wasn't built to handle all the attempts
00:18:53
Speaker
the Jacobs got and and you know as for the rest of them you know they they added what they wanted or what they could Malik obviously had a solid time getting out there he went six attempts for 41 yards Lloyd like you said had that real one really good one that got wiped away by penalties I thought they were kind of again getting a little ticky tacky with the penalties kind of both on both sides but it just, even Greg Olson was kind of questioning some of the calls that were being made because it really didn't look like there was much there, but Wilson kind of struggled a little bit. You know, he only carried it five times, but only average 1.8 per carry. And then Melton had the good one and then had a horrible one where he lost a shit ton of yards off of it. So.
00:19:48
Speaker
you do what you can with it. And like I said, just, it's amazing that it's been nearly 50 years since the last time somebody's attempted 32 rushes in a game for the Packers.
00:20:03
Speaker
Yeah, I'll second that, you know, you look at, you know, I, last few years with Aaron Jones in the system, right?
Offensive Line Performance
00:20:10
Speaker
Like he is a playmaking machine and then you go back and you look at his, you know,
00:20:15
Speaker
attends that he had over the years, like I'd be hard pressed to find him going over 18 carries a game. It's, it's been crazy. It was just crazy to watch to see somebody come in here and do that. And like you said, Josh Jacobs is just built to be a workhorseback. He did it in Oakland right away in his career. He's doing it here. It's just, uh, it's really nice to see. And then you look as a ah team team in total, they ran for five yards.
00:20:44
Speaker
you know, was at 4.9. I think they averaged as a team 53 carries. That's, you're going to win a lot of football games running five yards a carry. I don't care who you're playing. And it's, it's crazy that, you know, when you're talking about the c Colts and how They like knew that Green Bay is going to come out with the backup quarterback running the ball and that Green Bay just ran at will at them. You've got to get that credit to the whole line for that, but it's exciting to see and I hope they can build off that. And you know, are they going to run for 260 yards every week? No, but it's promising to see Jacobs do that and hopefully you can get secure the ball a little bit more. But I think it was big time. It was nice to see Marshawn Lloyd out there getting kind of shifty and you know, it's a.
00:21:29
Speaker
It's exciting to watch this running back group as a whole move forward, because I think we're going to see a lot of it. And kind of back to the going back to the point about the Green Bay offense, just being able to ground impound the Colts, it's nice when your team is able to do the thing that you're expected to do, even with the circumstances of having a backup quarterback. so Great day from the O-line. No one real standout. Just overall, they just really controlled the line of scrimmage. Willis got some pressure here and there, but for the most part, he I didn't think he ever at any point just started to duck and run kind of thing. I think he just was like, I'm here to take care of the ball. I'm here to get us ahead of the sticks as much as possible. And if I can run, I'm going to run. And I thought he made good quick decisions in that department.
00:22:21
Speaker
and and I want to say half of his attempts were actually QB draws so they were actually they were actually but a called runs for him so yeah he he had no it really was I mean it was barf ball and I think one more play where he kind of just didn't like what he was looking at it from the whatever broadcast replays we got it didn't look like a great place set up so I mean I'm sure that was his marching orders like don't put the ball in harm's way just take off and run that thing and that's totally fine
00:22:54
Speaker
going forward, you know, especially, you know, we're hearing different things on when to expect love back, whether it's Rappaport saying you know they're shooting for week five, but even Rappaport kind of said like oh you can, they there's a high hope so come back before then. And then on the other extreme you have LeFlore saying it's a true day to day thing and stuff, but lots to be i'dly more to the data day because i would i would think that if they had a feeling it was gonna be five weeks they wouldve just eyed art i ared him yeah went that route yeah exactly i agree with that too i mean theyre with, you know, with them signing that big deal and, you know, stuff like that too. And Green Bay is pretty conservative when it comes to injuries. So I agree with that. If it was, you know, if they're really concerned, they would have slapped him on, I i hope he comes back next week. if not next week, you know, like they build off this, if he's still not there yet, I'd say, you know, ride with Willis again. And then I think that,
00:23:53
Speaker
I want him back a week sooner than that to play Minnesota because they're looking, they're looking pretty good. They're surprising right now on what they did to Sam Fran today. So be nice to get a little back. I can't say that. I mean, I know what they did against Sam Fran, but the sad fact is a Sam Darnold did this a few years ago with Carolina, where he had a stretch of like four or five games where he looked absolutely amazing. And then it just all went downhill from there.
00:24:22
Speaker
So I mean, I get what you're saying with what happened with against San Francisco and what happened last week. But I think Jefferson went down with an injury today that they're calling a day to day type injury. And I, I don't know, like I said, Darnold Darnold will come back to earth. He has a habit of doing this shit. Speaking of other wide receiver injuries, look at I think St. Brown's gonna miss a few weeks now too.
00:24:51
Speaker
yeah today there's a lot of yeah they're they're still determining so if he hold on let's check something um let's see if we can do basic math so even if he goes on ir he's he would be eligible to come back by the time we play the lion so but we'll still see they haven't determined that the the extent of his injury they all like i think all i've seen is that they are going to do extra ah more intensive MRI looks because yeah there there's some concern with the level of injury that he sustained but
00:25:23
Speaker
And with Jefferson, it's a quad contusion. So they're hoping it's day to day. But if it's a deep bruise, then he's not going to be back to it. Depends where it is. Yeah. So we'll see. But our receivers, I thought they did really good with the opportunities they had.
Praise for Wide Receivers
00:25:41
Speaker
It won't get marked down as a receiving day. But Jaden Reed, two explosives on the ground. I know that they were like,
00:25:50
Speaker
swing passes that were backwards, but just good to see that he was healthy enough to give it a go and be effective today. Never a fan of seeing guys pop up with soft tissue injuries on a Friday and bad enough to be listed as questionable on the injury report so glad he was out there.
00:26:07
Speaker
And I do think even though he wasn't targeted Watson is still super important because the threat of him running free down the field keeps someone back on defense, especially because the Colts were without Julian Blackman today and.
00:26:22
Speaker
The tight ends were, and I don't think they were disappointing. It was more, I was surprised with how little they were involved, but when you look at how effective the ground game was, that kind of speaks for itself why they didn't do much more in the past game, because their effectiveness would have been as, you know, crossing routes off of play action, and we just didn't run that much play action because we were just crushing them on the ground.
Willis's Mistake-Free Game
00:26:47
Speaker
But otherwise, just the meat and potatoes day by the offense and pretty efficient overall outside of the fumble by by Jacob. So it's it's nice that you have a backup quarterback and really nothing bad in terms of the game film is on his place. So the floor is going to be happy about that tonight. Right. And I go back to the fact that Willis didn't throw an interception and Willis didn't take a sack.
00:27:15
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, when you have that, you're you have a pretty positive game film, if you want to say say that. But I mean, it's a positive outlook either way that he had one touchdown, no interceptions, no sacks.
00:27:31
Speaker
yeah that and really no, really no interceptable balls either. So it's up to the one to, it's up for the one to wicks. Cause that was very, there's always the risk when you throw outside, you know, that, that deep out. So it's, and I, I'm more talking about the like, Oh God, he just threw it over the middle of the triple coverage. right all He did not make any forcible throws like that. He had yeah really good decision-making today. He didn't try and make a play like, yeah And he has good scramble ability too. That's something that you know we haven't really seen since.
00:28:09
Speaker
Aaron Rodgers kind of in his prime taken off. And even that, you know, he wasn't like a scrambling quarterback. Willis is built to run somebody over. I think they should design that moving forward. And when it comes to passing, I think we'll see more attempts down the road here as he gets more comfortable, obviously with his receivers and stuff that he's continuing to start for us. But it was he was, I thought he, I thought for his first go on and being in here and for three weeks,
00:28:37
Speaker
coming in and playing the game that he did, you could not ask for a better performance than him. I know a lot of people look at the stats and be like, oh, he didn't play well, the dude played well. yeah like Like we said, we've all kind of said the same thing that it's like, you you take the playbook, and I know that a lot of it is in the 39 yard pass to Dobbs, but 12 or 14, just under and you know about 8.7 yards per attempt,
00:29:04
Speaker
and good ratings you know whether you want to use the standard qb rating or yeah espn's qbr it was a good clean efficient day from willis and you take that to the bank you run that to the bank every time you have the chance to just Yeah, you can't complain about too much. Do you think Pudeci's kind of kicked themselves in the ass after seeing what Will Lewis has done the last couple of weeks? Honestly, they have to just be kicking them, not for that
Titans vs. Packers Offensive Weapons
00:29:33
Speaker
reason. They have to understand that, like I said, they don't have what Green Bay has around their quarterback. Their O-line is not anywhere near as good. They don't have Derek Henry anymore.
00:29:45
Speaker
and
00:29:47
Speaker
They have the corpse of DeAndre Hopkins at this point and I don't know who the rest of their I guess Burke's is still there. But I don't know who the rest of their receivers and tight ends are at this point. So it's just, it's as it's a totally apples and oranges discussion at that point and But the the what allowed Green Bay to play this way on offense is they were efficient on offense and their defense played complimentary football. And, you know, I know and Anthony Richardson helped with some erratic play and stuff but
00:30:22
Speaker
even the defense kind of played to the game plan and you know outside of some success by Jonathan Taylor I thought the defense had a decent day overall at the office you you kept what was a team that scored I think 27 last week against a division opponent you held them down to 10 points so no real complaints i know that there's some nitpicking that's gonna go around but overall how'd you guys like today's defensive effort mckinney is money well spent absolutely for sure uh overall i
Packers' Defense Performance
00:30:59
Speaker
I mean, I wish, they definitely have a lot of stuff to clean up because if it if it wasn't for having a young quarterback that the Colts have, I think another quarterback could have carved it up a little bit better. You know, obviously we're still in that bend, don't break kind of defense. And I, at least me personally kind of had hoped we would get out of that situation.
00:31:24
Speaker
And because they were really bending this offense or this defense as far as it could go, it just Richardson was gifting a lot of lot of bad plays. Because I mean, even if you look at it re receiving-wise, you know, Peirce still had 56, Taylor 32, Mitchell had his one for 30. I mean, Mitchell also dropped a few of them. Pittman, they held Pittman down pretty good, but you know you look at it and he was still able to throw for 204 yards on this defense and they still rushed for what is it 140 yards so they held him down pretty decent but it was still again like i said had it been a quarterback that you know a more veteran style quarterback i think he could have carved it up a little bit more and you know you just got to be
00:32:20
Speaker
grateful that it wasn't. Is the is the pressure on that D-line there? Have you seen that? I okay again and I think this goes to the heart of it is this defense was supposed to feed off of that front and I think they're behind the eight ball because you've opened the season playing two running quarterbacks and You didn't want to give Richardson confidence in his game, his play today by letting him just run hot free for, you know, like 85 yards on fort on like 10 carries, score a couple of long touchdowns. And then because he's stressing you, your defense outside the pocket, then you give up busted coverage touchdowns. And they avoided that for the most part. The one touchdown they gave up kind of was the product of that, but I'm,
00:33:10
Speaker
I'm not anywhere at all panicking on the defensive line pressure. I think it's a matter of circumstance more than anything else. So I'm not ringing the alarm. That said, going into the next couple of weeks, I do want to see some improvement because Levis is mobile, but not that kind of mobile. But then you're facing Darnold, then you're facing Darnold and Stafford. So in the next three weeks, I do expect to see more pressure, but I'm not up a tree like a bunch of other people are. No, yeah, that's a really good take on you know playing two mobile quarterbacks right up the front. you know they
00:33:53
Speaker
ah ah escape pressure pretty well, got out of probably what would be a couple would be sacks and stuff like that. So with your point that, you know, they're going to play Levis, Darnold, and then Stafford after that, I think it's going to be a real tell on what we can expect moving forward from there. You look at their defense and I think what did Cooper have out there for snaps? I think he had three less snaps than he did last week. And I want to see him on the field more. I don't know if he's up to speed yet or if there's, you know, a nagging injury or what's the holdup on there. But, you know, I want to see, I want to see some design blitzes from him because he is lightning quick. And I think he just kind of amplifies the speed at that middle linebacker spot that they're, you know, not,
00:34:42
Speaker
lacking, but, you know, just a little bit more douche. You know, McDuffie's, he's played okay, but I would really like to see Cooper out there more moving forward, and I hope that's the plan.
00:34:56
Speaker
I think that's kind of a function of, I think it does go back to, well, two things. One, he missed like all a training cap with, you know, the the couple, the one or two injuries that he had. So he's behind the eight ball there. And then I do think it's kind of a function of the whole mobile facing mobile quarterback. So it's like,
00:35:14
Speaker
He's missed a bunch of time in and training camp. So he's you know physically you know playing within the scheme on the field. He's behind the eight ball there. and then on top of it excuse me And then on top of it, you're facing a mobile quarterback. So you've got to be assignment sure. And it's like, OK, so you've got this guy who didn't play in any of the preseason games. And you need him to not bust, get the wrong call where he's supposed to be in man or a zone. But then he's like spying the quarterback. Those kind of things where it's like, oh,
00:35:43
Speaker
like how did that guy get open and it's like oh edge was supposed to have got to him and i think they're protecting him from himself more than like worried about him if that makes sense because you don't want him to get in his head where it's like shit I can't get any of this playbook right what am I doing wrong all that kind of stuff I think they're trying to bring him along where he's comfortable comfortable comfortable so that when they do just say like okay dude you're playing half the game it's like all right he's just going out there and and making plays kind of thing, not like, oh, like, do I have the read? Do I have the quarterback? Do I have, you know, this? Do I have that? And it's just like, yeah, I'm going to just go and be a playmaker. And i I do think that is what the plan is for Edge and Popper to a lesser extent.
Future Plans for Edge and Hopper
00:36:30
Speaker
i I'm trying to think. I did watch, you know, I obviously watched the whole game. i I remember seeing him out there for a little bit. But I don't remember, you know, I remember him him coming off, but I don't think it was due to injury. But I think I agree with you, Mike, that they're still trying to ease him in. Yeah. Unfortunately, right now, the numbers are out for, you know, at least on my normal. think Andy hadn't met like four snaps or something today.
00:37:00
Speaker
OK, yeah, for my stuff, the places that I normally look, they don't have the numbers out yet. So oh the weird one to me, and this kind of goes ah ah away from what you just asked Justin, but I know they're going to get him and Hopper more in, like Mike said. it just It's going to take time, whether it be you know don't rush him back from injury, don't you know don't push too much on him i know the people out there are already calling for him over quay and all that shit right now but it is what it is uh sorry i was trying to look here but like i said i don't think they're
00:37:46
Speaker
out just yet. Nope, they're not out yet.
Eric Stokes and Defensive Substitutions
00:37:50
Speaker
But the curious one for me is the Stokes decision because they did pull him later in the game and brought in Valentine. And it wasn't they they don't think it was for injury or anything he because he came back later.
00:38:04
Speaker
But honestly, I didn't think he was playing that bad. I don't think he was playing bad at all. But yeah, I do wonder if that's just Valentine Miss time too, and you're trying to get him back, you know, get some reps like a rotational. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so because this isn't the kind of receiving court either that you're like, oh there's No one to put stokes on, you know, where you're like, they're all six foot or shorter and like excellent route runner types. You're, you're kind of like, okay, like you can stick him on Pitman, you can stick him on Pierce and feel pretty comfortable with it. So I do think that it was more of a matter of like Valentine missed, you know, like two weeks of preseason. So, you know, let's get him some reps. you know, maybe he makes a play kind of thing and stuff. So.
00:38:50
Speaker
I didn't read too much into it. And Stokes didn't seem to bummed out by it after the game either. So why you know, that's yeah trying to look through the numbers here. I found a couple articles where it's like, well, one of the losers for this week was Eric Stokes, because, you know, winners and losers of the game, one of them was Stokes, because he ended up getting pulled and Valentine was put in. But I didn't seem to think like, like you, we just said that I didn't think s Stokes played that bad.
00:39:19
Speaker
and really it's not like ah ah you know when you've got a quarterback that only throws for 204 yards it's not like he was getting carved up out on the field either so if anybody was getting carved up it was Kishon so it just it's weird to me that people are already calling for Stokes's head when it just like you said it seems like a rotational thing that they were just trying to get you know it looked like they gave stokes the first half and they were trying to give valentine the second half and valentine limped off the field so stokes had to go back in so i'm not looking too much into it i just yeah well it is it is definitely something that excuse me it is definitely something that you know it'll it'll raise your eyebrows because of what s stokes has dealt with the past two and a half seasons so
00:40:10
Speaker
You know, it it deserves to be mentioned, but I'm, know, you need more data points to really worry about it being something big. So I'm not too concerned. The big one, the ah ah big, the two big players who need to be shouted out. Well, three, I guess. Sorry. One at each level. Davante Wyatt continues his breakout season.
00:40:29
Speaker
<unk> Wilson had an overall look. OK, he was kind of like just doing his job for most of the game, but he made two great third downplays that really flipped the script. One of them, he shoved the two cute play back in Steichen's face when they tried to run a speed option to his side. And then he just picks off an absolutely awful decision by Richardson to try and throw into the high and low when the defender went high and he still threw it high. so but You know what, he deserves absolute credit for taking advantage of his opportunities and making the most of it. That's something that not every Packers defender has done over the past decade plus. So, you know, guys have to be applauded for that. And same for McKinney.
00:41:14
Speaker
just taking advantage of a play that, did you know, it wasn't like it was the most on his shoulders interception. You know, it's not like he undercut a route or beat a guy to the the ball. He mostly took advantage of pressure that forced a bad throw from Richardson. But again, we've seen guys drop arm punts.
00:41:35
Speaker
and that have cost the Packers in key games. So again, like Justin mentioned, McKinney has been worth every penny that he's been paid thus far and has just brought a level of stability to the back end of the defense that we've needed for years. so seem to remember somebody, you know, predicting that McKinney was going to look good the first few weeks of the season. And I can't remember who it was. Do you do you remember Mike?
00:42:05
Speaker
No, I don't. Let's move on. Am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something. No one is. Don't worry, Justin. We're moving on. But no, Joe, you're absolutely right. Like I said, obviously this one isn't as impressive of a play as it was last week where he comes from his deep half and cuts his team route.
00:42:25
Speaker
How many times have we said, Will Redmond? But drop arm punts that have just given opposing teams opportunities. and Or just been out of position and wasn't there when you know the arm punt was thrown and stuff like that. So it's nice to see somebody who's back there who's got the awareness, who's got the playmaking ability. So yeah, full on. he is So far, he's worth the money that they paid him.
00:42:51
Speaker
And i you know I still stand by it. I still think for the first few weeks, he's going to look like an absolute star. And then these these quarterbacks, these offensive coordinators are going to start learning. And you know not that he's going to look bad, it's just they're going to know which side of the field he's on and avoid that side.
00:43:10
Speaker
You kind of saw it a little bit today where you know Evan Williams got picked on on that out and up route. it Like you said, there's better places to throw the ball than wherever 29 is. And that's where it's there's going to just be less opportunities. like his His coverage grades are going to be, quote unquote, advanced stats coverage grades are going to look good because he is deterring offenses from looking in his direction.
00:43:35
Speaker
Whereas really, you know, when you face the more veteran offenses that you're going to see this season, they're going to say like, okay, we can pick on these two rookies. We can pick on a coverage mismatch. That's not Jair or if Jair is stuck covering a guy who's half a foot taller than him and a quarterback is able to make the right kind of throws to take advantage of that. So yeah.
00:43:57
Speaker
nothing bad to say about McKinney and like I said, the stability that he brings to the back end cleaned up some run, some missed run fits today that were absolutely key and just yeah you know kept this defense humming and I've seen some of the articles too that kind of say like it wasn't a great day for Halfly, it wasn't a great day for the defense. Mind you, he kept this a two score game for the most part of the afternoon and it is not his fault that Josh Jacobs fumbled the ball on the goal line and cost the Packers a chance to basically put
00:44:33
Speaker
the the nails in the coffin in the in the second quarter of this game. And yes, you don't want to see Jonathan Taylor running, you know, like wild hog wild on different moments, you know, different drives of the game. But look at it. It's the same thing as last week. No, I don't like to the average eight and a half yards per carry. But you kept Anthony Richardson tied down for the most part. You you can't, especially with this many rookies or young players and the defensive scheme shift, you're not going to stop everything. You're just not. And Halfly made the correct calculus decisions.
Halfley's Defensive Strategy
00:45:10
Speaker
We're not giving up the explosive plays that even Houston gave up last week and still won the game in spite of. And that was really the only way the Colts were going to play. and
00:45:21
Speaker
Ben don't break isn't sexy and all that kind of stuff, but Halfly is at least doing it in as an aggressive manner that allows his defense to still throw punches while they're taking up. And you can't complain about that too much. So, I think it's been a big place. Yeah, they really didn't place. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I was looking at it here real quick. the Yeah. The,
00:45:48
Speaker
Taylor had a long of 29. Adanai Mitchell had a long of 30. And Ali Cox had a long of 22. So yeah, they really didn't give up huge gash plays. But you know, there were some there that like I said, I understand the bid no break and they they held them but yeah, you want to kind of clean that up because had it been a different quarterback,
00:46:12
Speaker
you would think that there would have been a few more than that. i think i won I think if you're only dealing with one of Halfly being a new DC or young players all over the place, I think you would see a more buttoned up aggressive game plan. But because you're you're doing both, I think they kind of said like, all right, we're we got to pick something and we're going to live by it and stuff. But that's one of those ones you hope by the end of the season that they're playing you know, they're, they're throwing more of the punches than they're taking. So I agree there, but I'm not super feeling either way about it because it is so early in the season. So Mike, you're my resident rule analyst and everything else. Is it not illegal to push the fumble out of the out of bounds? It absolutely is. And
00:47:10
Speaker
It's, and the the what makes that one stupid is it was blatant that that's what he was doing. the The way you get away with it is you come and slide in and you like, I'm trying for it. And you like, know he slid with his hands. It's going out of bounds. And that is one of those were That is one of those where you're like, it didn't happen on the Packers sideline. It happened on the Colts sideline. And you wonder, like, if it's on the Packers sideline, is it, you know, everyone is standing there in green and gold going, what the fuck is that? And then the rest kind of like, oh, yeah, you're right. Whereas on the Colts sideline, it's like, oh, it went out of bounds. Oh, well, you had, I forget which defender it was, but someone was like,
00:47:55
Speaker
doing this, you you could see someone in a Green Bay uniform motioning like this. And the ref kind of looked at him like, yeah, whatever. But I do think if that happens on our sideline, you get the penalty call because three coaches are hopping mad and everyone in a Packers uniform. The floor was already hopping mad throughout the freaking game. But you know the side judge is on his side is like, that's over there. I can't say anything. And the floor is just like, so yeah.
00:48:25
Speaker
On the negative side, like I said, it wasn't a great day for everyone. Quiet day from the defensive front. Like I said, I do put most of that on the game plan, but you would like to see more wins out of this group. But that also is why I shout out Davante's game today. It's just good to see him taking that leap. You want to see him, you know, D lineman take longer to develop. You like seeing him take that step.
00:48:52
Speaker
so The stuff I'm not super worried about because like I said, you play this this rush scheme where you're containing the pocket, you're not getting pressure as fast as you want. So guys have to cover longer. And so there's going to be plays to be made on the back end. Kway didn't have the greatest day. And I know I'm one of the people more in the pro Kway camp and stuff, but I don't think it's as black and white as he took a bad angle. He should have been there to make a tackle.
00:49:21
Speaker
because okay, there's two things to that. One, he's in frame because he is actually athletic enough to be around the ball. And two, okay, the long run where he, you know, didn't take the greatest angle, but, you know, they run a pin and pull play, goes out to the right, Buller gets smoked inside, and then Jair can't, you know, not that I expected to, but he has to deal with a Buller, can't keep outside. Kway has to play that inside out.
00:49:50
Speaker
And he can't just run outside and have the back cut inside of him. That's just how his assignment is. Do you want him to get out there? Yes. But everyone's talking about how it's the hottest game in the history of Lambo for whatever years. But then when Quay looks slow or tired, it's like, whoa, what's his problem? he's supposed to be He's supposed to be your alien linebacker. So it's like, no, I'm not excusing everything he did. And he's got to make that pick. It was a great read.
00:50:20
Speaker
did everything right except catch the friggin ball but everyone who's blasting quick who's the guy who pressured Richardson on the first interception it's number seven and no he didn't make more good plays than bad plays today necessarily but I don't think his bad plays were purely he fucked up and it's his fault there's nuance to it save some of that for later because we'll get into it in our segment. I've got other things to say about that and some people are going to tell me I'm a bad fan for some of the things I'm going to say but I'll tell you exactly why I'm saying it so but overall
00:50:58
Speaker
this is one of those it's not a burn the tape game and you know you guys give me your impression on this afterward it's not a burn the tape film in the sense of like last week's where the field was so bad that you can't take too much from it but the backup quarterback situation you blow the chance to go up 17 zip because you you know that that's out of the defense's control you you should be going in
Transition and Young Players
00:51:20
Speaker
for a fort 17 nothing lead and jacobs fumbles the ball into the end zone and It's still a unit in transition. Halfley's only been there six months. You've got rookies that you're trying to incorporate. You've got young guys who were in one scheme one year and now in their sophomore year, you're like, all right, we're doing we're we're doing this now. So the main thing is that as we go through the season, this is not the same thing we're seeing come week 15, 16, 17, 18. That's all I got. Let me make some yeah weird decisions with the inactive's list today.
00:51:55
Speaker
ola dapo britain
00:51:57
Speaker
made and active things today. Oladapo, Cox, Dillard, Glover, Wooden.
00:52:06
Speaker
so and
00:52:10
Speaker
it's it's probably so no so hold on while you figure that out joe but i agree it was a little funky that yeah the old adaptable one's not surprising again young player missed a bunch of training camp you know got some spot reps here and there in the preseason games but again kind of like edge not play more hopper not play more you want to make sure you can trust these guys to do what you need them to do on the field the wooden one was kind of funky to me because I didn't understand not having more of your interior D linemen where you're like, OK, you're going to contain the quarterback, but let's try and get some interior pressure. And Woodin was getting that last weekend. He showed an improvement in that phase of the game over the preseason and down the stretch of last season. So that one was kind of funky too. But yeah, I think it just shows that guys that you know more on Woodin side
00:53:03
Speaker
Cox kinda, but the fact that we're having these debates of who was up and who was down shows that there are some, you know, there is some decent talent on the backend of this roster. And the fact that we're talking about it is, you know, a good thing for the Packers. Okay, am I good now? Just soft, but yeah. so the reason why I think Cox is a weird one is I don't think Enoch Barre has been playing well. And I don't know if that still struggles from the injury, if that's still whatever it is, but he he really wasn't getting any push. He really wasn't getting involved in any way, but he was playing a lot. So, you know, it just, a those enactives were weird to me. So I i just, but anyway,
00:53:54
Speaker
I don't think you can completely throw this game film film away right just because they're there was a lot of good involved in it. I mean, for the little bit that Tucker Craft played,
00:54:08
Speaker
He had an amazing game. Musgraves a little had some teaching moments. He needs a little, obviously it's through the blocking and we all knew that that Musgraves wasn't a great blocker. Defensive side, it gives some learning things for Williams and, and guys like that that need the help. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought, you know, Lucas played pretty good. He had that solid tackle for loss, but it seemed like he was getting some solid pressure in there. Yeah.
00:54:35
Speaker
I thought it was really weird. I don't know if they were just kind of rotating them in and out because of the heat, but I thought I saw Roshan more on the sideline than I did in the game. I think it's i thought that was weird i do think it's the heat and the they were going to Like, in yeah in previous years, even last year, they were more like, these two guys are on for this drive and then it's next drive this drive next drive but I think because of the heat and the humidity they're like, if we don't get off on third down we're swapping kind of thing and stuff so I do think it was a matter of
00:55:13
Speaker
that then more and it and it again goes back to your playing quarterback contain so you don't want a guy to like be kegging out there when he's got to you know hold the edge of the pocket and then you know he cramps out or something like that and then Richardson runs for like 40 yards and stuff so i i think Yeah, like I said, I'm not going so far as burn the tape, but I think the circumstances of this game just make it, it's it's still teaching tape, but it's not the, because it's not ideal circumstances, there are certain elements of this game where you can't take it at face value necessarily, as opposed to, you know, like hopefully a game in a month kind of thing when love is back, you're playing in like a dome or something and you're expecting that guys are just supposed to fly to the ball at that point and all.
00:56:03
Speaker
But just there any last thoughts on the defense? no, I think that like I said, you know what, you know, the other name, if you're talking about, mar i'm you know, we haven't heard much of Preston Smith lately. You know, I'd like to see him do a couple of good sack celebration. I know that he has it in him. I said, you know, you look at this game, you know, it's a game, it's in the books. They're going to move forward. It was hot. you know, the defense still getting in their group, right? Like who's going to be the anchors everywhere? What, who's going to be the studs? Who's going to go through, got a starting lineup, but it's when you find stars on the team too, is when you, you know, really get your feet wet, move forward and,
00:56:44
Speaker
see the, you know, the direction that they're going to go. Um, overall, I think they did one of their best defensive performance in a while, right? Like look at how much we're used to giving up throughout the years or doing that. They didn't give up any big plays. I think it was, uh, you know, it was, it was a good thing. I would have liked to see Quay Walker pick that pass off, but like you said, it happens. It happened so quick, right?
00:57:09
Speaker
You know, yeah it's I mean, you problem he's on position yeah, it's impressive enough that he's in position to make that play. But yeah, it's we're we're going off of two that Pierce makes a just a stupendous play to reel that thing in off the tip. I swear to God, only against the Packers. like It happens.
00:57:30
Speaker
it it just it happens Like, you know, yeah you know, So know overall that was, it was good performance on the defense. I was happy with it. Obviously you would like to see a little bit more s sacks and stuff like that, but hey, they, they did good. They didn't give a big plays. It was solid. I'd like to see that going in into next week. Yep. Me taking advantage of their opportunities and.
00:57:55
Speaker
going into our special teams, honestly, not that much to talk
Special Teams Performance
00:57:58
Speaker
about. Dan Wheely continues used to be excellent. Absolutely excellent. He pinned one inside the 10. He shot a frigging cannon off when the Packers were kind of back in their own end and then their own territory. Yeah. Flipfield. I don't think it was exactly a 60 yard punt, but he 59.
00:58:17
Speaker
yeah flip list shit to fifty nine Yeah. Yeah, you were all over his stats, weren't you? I actually I have this flatless hold up right here. I got it. i'm just kidding But yeah, so absolutely flip field position there.
00:58:33
Speaker
coverage units were fine nothing really happened in the return game Nixon didn't really have the opportunity to do anything and neither did read although that that one where he caught it along where he it bounced off his chest out the sideline it's I understand what he's trying to do but it always does just make your heart sink when you see a muffed kick even if it is you know he's doing it right where he's angling himself so that you know it's it's like hitting a corner pocket in a pool game where the ball should go out of bounds but the oblong ball does weird things so you just don't I honestly don't think he was expecting it either because you saw him just stand there for a while with his arms up like this
00:59:13
Speaker
I think you so why he kind of lost it in the sun or something like that. So yeah, that yeah it was just a great play. So, and Narveson, honestly, let's just not have him kick from 45 yards. Like his two misses his two misses are from the left hash at 45 yards.
00:59:31
Speaker
he's been he'll be pretty nails on everything else. So Matt, just make sure you take that into account, whether he has to set up one yard deeper or it's to just tweak it a little bit, but- I'll tell you what, have you have you guys noticed this when he made like every kick that he's done?
00:59:49
Speaker
right like it's just either to just right next to the goal post every single time there's never been one that's been just right down in the middle like for sure thing it's kind of like all right he got it you know yeah and he's so i'm not a kicker I'm not a kicker at all but from what my friends who do kick tell me so there's different ways you go about it you either bang kicks at the opposite goal post so that you're you know you'll draw or fade it in or you aim just inside and you pull kind of thing and stuff and overall I
01:00:27
Speaker
You know, I think, honestly, we're so affected by recent circumstances that we're letting it paint the picture for us of what's going on. It would help if he hadn't missed those two kicks from 45 yards. But I think if he was, you know, eight for eight on the season and was, you know, not grazing the goal post, but was within a foot, we'd be like, oh, my God, it's terrible kind of thing.
01:00:53
Speaker
i I'm gonna say it, and I know you're not gonna say it because you're too nice of a person, but I'm gonna say it because I'm a total asshole. If this guy's name was Anders Karlsson, people would be calling for his head tomorrow. He missed so much. He's missed so much though. Yeah, but right now the kicker he's got is at a 75% kick because he's missed one every game so far.
01:01:20
Speaker
and so and carlton average Carlson averaged 82% last year so if you continue on if you if you want to play Nostradamus and predict what this guy's going for and you use these two games as You know your your sample size. He's gonna be 75% for the year now. I'm not saying that's what he's gonna be but you know What's the saying you can't have your cake and eat it too because you know but Like I said if it was still honors Carlson and he was still sitting at 75% for the the first two games of the season There'd be a friggin mob up there
01:02:00
Speaker
Well, you know, what's going to happen is Graham Gano got hurt for the Giants. They're going to sign Carlson. He's going to turn in just like his brother and be a punishing kicker in the league. we're na analog likeking So it won't happen. No, I don't know. You guys saw online though, that in pregame, Narbson was bashing a 60 yard field goal through the uprights. Do you guys see the clip of that?
01:02:25
Speaker
I didn't see it, but I know they said he was hitting some pretty deep ones, but that's pretty typical of pregame NFL games where they're sitting out there going as far back as they can to hit them. But I think it was it was a I think I was watching the last part of the Kansas City game. And I think it was Roma was saying, you know, that was also on tee. It wasn't, you know, game situations. That's the end of the first half. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, and it's, it's not like it's a, it's not a good barometer of things, you know, a kicker. What was the kicker a few years ago that went viral? Cause he nailed like a 75 or 80 yard kick.
01:03:12
Speaker
But it was on a tee. It was in you know good conditions. He didn't have a rush going on. He wasn't wearing pads and all this other stuff. So you know it's great to see that they have the leg to be able to do that stuff, but it's not a good barometer of what they're going to do during a game.
01:03:30
Speaker
yeah I mean, what Aubrey or whatever, trick active was was that 67 yards before the ah ah penalty happened last week? Yeah, something like that. so But, you know, it's it's two games, not great that he's three for four both time, but time will tell. We'll we'll find out. 75%. He needs to make a couple more consistency and I think what's going to be Really crucial. I know not like I said, if you want to talk about kicking and stuff like that I think it's going to be important that he makes his first 50 yard plus kick Because if he keeps missing around that board, you know that range or whatever or he goes in the attempts of 52 yard or any shanks it or doesn't hit it I really feel like LeFlore is going to
01:04:21
Speaker
not give him another chance for a while, right? it was He's just bad at 45 right now because his long for day was 46. So if you if you just avoid the 45 yard line, then it's weird because his miss against Philly was also from 45 from the left hash. So it's one of those weird like I said, it's two Two makes a line, three makes a data set. So we're gonna find out next week if they they get another one and there will be much rejoicing if he makes it, but we'll just keep this one moving
'Shut the Fuck Up' Segment Introduction
01:04:55
Speaker
along. So Joe, we'll get into your favorite segment, your Shiar. Shut the fuck up segment. Shut the fuck up. So I actually have visuals and everything too, so we can all see these. So my first one here,
01:05:11
Speaker
And it's I want to preference this that it's not just this person who tweeted it. I do have some issues with Zach, but that's beyond you know anything else. But the first one here is from Zachary Jacobson. I know most people in Packer universe know who Zachary jacob is Jacobson is. he He says, quote, that was lame, getting the ball with just under two minutes left and making no attempt to push the ball downfield.
01:05:41
Speaker
Okay, Zach. You have a guy who's only been in the system for three weeks, whose track record wasn't that great prior to, you know, any other time he's made the start. He's learning the system. You don't want to add the put the added pressure on him to try to lead a two minute drill.
01:06:05
Speaker
That was a safe call. I know nobody likes to be safe when it comes to their football and everybody wants the heroic ball. They don't want, you know, safe. They were in the lead. They didn't want to add the added pressure because what happens if he throws the interception right there? You know what what goes with his mindset from there?
01:06:25
Speaker
Yeah. You know, what happens if, if he fumbles it, you know, that hits his confidence. And I know it's a way to rebound, but you don't want to take that chance. Do you have him already rolling? He's doing well. You run great. but Your run game is really responding. He's made a few decent passes. Don't push your luck on things. One pick sticks and that could have turned this whole game around.
01:06:53
Speaker
so i basically what i'm saying zac shut the fuck up and like you said this isn't just zac there's a lot of these tweets all over the place and My stance on it is if, again, we keep going back to that Jacobs fumble, that if you're up 17-0, you take the chance because you have the opportunity to put the nail in the coffin.
Criticism and Responses
01:07:14
Speaker
know if you score Especially if you score a touchdown and go up 24-0, but you're only up two scores. Indy's getting the ball first in the second half. The worst thing you can do is have a turnover return for a touchdown that gives Indianapolis life that they didn't have in the first half on offense.
01:07:30
Speaker
And you just can't make the game easy for a team that's struggling. So it's not exciting. It's not sexy. It's not what you want to see. But playing the the game situation, yeah and a lot of these people that we're complaining about are the same one that are like, oh, Malik Willis, all he he doesn't have a touchdown pass. He only has the interceptions. And you know so like you said earlier, Joe, can't have your cake and eat it too.
01:07:57
Speaker
Do you want to add anything Justin? Yeah, I'm going to play a little devil's advocate. yeah I was sitting on here and watching the game with my grandpa and I'm just like, they're going to get the ball and they're going to run it three times or they're going to run out the clock. I wanted them to be aggressive. Like you said, I know a lot of people are like, Hey, go do that. Every point that you just made there was valid. I, you know, like after, I guess,
01:08:27
Speaker
after Jacob's fumbled that ball going to the goal line. Like it's just like, man, they had it. And with two minutes and they're running the ball doing that, you know, like, could they have done a little bit of play action? Could they have, I mean, I guess you could look at it either way, right? Like you're going to be a goat if you throw a pick and it's going to change the whole dynamic of the game. Was it the right call? it It probably was. They had the game in control. They knew that Indy was getting the ball at the second half.
01:08:57
Speaker
and then you take a chance, throw a pick, they get the ball, score right before halftime, get it, that changes the whole momentum of the game. So, you know, personal feelings, you know, I'm not out there playing, you know, like from a fan perspective, like, yeah, you know, I maybe like to see a little bit more, especially because they didn't get that touchdown, but at the same time, when you really sit back, rewatch it and look at it, it was the right decision.
01:09:24
Speaker
you know, I'll meet you in the middle on is I kind of wish they called like a screen or something like, you know, set yeah you keep the clock rolling, but give yourself a little bit better opportunity to bust something kind of thing. So yeah, I overall, I agree with the mindset, but.
01:09:42
Speaker
call something that's also safe, but has a little better opportunity to bust it to say, okay, now we're going to try and definitely score. So yeah, a screen would have been the perfect call, like either hit it or you don't. Right. Like if you hit a quick screen, and there's two minutes to pop off, you know, an 15, 20 yard screen pass that would have changed the whole thing. I don't think that there was much risk involved to do that.
01:10:07
Speaker
But I think that, you know, the floor was competent enough and where he was at and he just wanted, he just wanted to get all the half. You know, I don't, I think the fans are actually booing at that time too, because they had them on their heels.
01:10:20
Speaker
but Well, they were booing because of the comments like this, you know, you got the ball back, you have what I think what they had two timeouts left or something, and they had the time to push it down the field. But again, I'll go back. That's all well and good if you've got Jordan Love out there, or you got Aaron Rodgers out there, you got Brett Favre out there, you got somebody who's been in the system for a while, who you who's your franchise guy,
01:10:49
Speaker
But when you've got a guy who's only been there a few weeks, who's, you know, they built a game plan around him to help him succeed the best that he can. You don't know what his mindset's going to be if he goes out and throws that pick or he goes out and throws, you know, two or three incompletions and you know You want to have him go in, I think what was he by halftime? He was four for five for like 20 some yards or something like that. something like And you know you want him to have some kind of success. Well, four for five is amazing for a guy who was like, what, eight for 20 in his career prior prior to this moment?
01:11:31
Speaker
So I mean, you have successes to build on. And what's the thing that we always save, Mike stack successes. Well, you know, that's your success to build on, to see what you can do in the next half. I'm all for getting points. And I do agree that maybe the play call should have been a little bit different, but I still don't think you push your luck with it because at that moment he already exceeded what he's done in the past. You don't want to push it any further. You just go in knowing that you've got the lead.
01:12:01
Speaker
you kept Indy down and you, and you just kind of keep pushing to see if Malik can handle it in the next half. Yeah, no, I agree with it. It, you know, like I said, it worked, it worked out. It's like, if they didn't go or make a, you know, an attempt to go down and score some points, if they lost the game, then this is what we'd be talking about. Oh, they had two minutes before halftime to go and do something, right? So it,
01:12:29
Speaker
either way of the spectrum, you can look at it that way. Like I said, that's definitely got to bend the mindset of look forward there like, Hey, you know, we got to leave. We got this. Let's not push it. It's going to halftime, come out, play good defense and, you know, move forward. and And that's what they did. So it worked out in the end, but also agree where some people are coming from like oh man why didn't they go for it that was lame whatever they're not looking at it as a player and coach perspective they're sitting back and looking at at our perspective what we're watching it was the right call all right so this one is an easy one but i'm so i'm just going to skip it because we already just kind of talked about it but mike
01:13:14
Speaker
I'm going to get you to do this because this one's all you, buddy. So I agree with you on your end of it that it's not. But anyway, these are a couple of tweets. One is from Elisha Twersky on Twitter saying, Kway Walker is a problem and not in a good way. And then right below it is Jonathan Murphy saying need to get Kway Walker off the field. I don't think he's as big of his liability as these guys think he is. He's athletic. He's I will, I will put it probably about 75% of the time he's in the position he needs to be. It's just trying to refine his skills. He's got the skills. He's got the awareness. It's just now we've got to refine it and it's a work in progress. So find these comments on like common 77 off original posts. Who are these people? some of them are people that I follow. Some of them are people that,
01:14:16
Speaker
I've caught on retweets and stuff like that. i This is the whole point of the segment is as I scour social medias to find this stuff so we can rip them apart. so I like it. okay how I call this one the backup quarterback fallacy and this just being used on linebacker.
01:14:37
Speaker
Everyone has their predetermined version on Kway Walker because he wasn't a great player in Joe Barry's system, which honestly is not the system for a guy of his makeup. He's a seek and destroy linebacker. You point him in the direction to go and tell him, go hit that, go sack that quarterback, whatever. Barry's sit back, read and react scheme isn't for his skillset. But,
01:15:03
Speaker
What people don't want to admit is, so they look at and they say, we drafted two guys in the second and third round this year. They're gonna be better than Quay. You don't know that. The guy that you drafted in the second round is basically Quay just two years younger. And you're only liking him because he's a second round pick, not a first round pick.
01:15:25
Speaker
And I'm not gonna do it because I'm rooting just like I want Quay to do well. I'm not gonna shit on Edge without seeing him play and get a good shot in this system. But what are you all gonna say when Edge goes out there and if he just shits the bed, doesn't know what he's doing, looks the wrong way in every play.
01:15:45
Speaker
can't get out to the sideline plays that Kway is, or whatever. what What is the point there? Yes, Kway needs to play better. I'm not gonna sit there and sugarcoat that. But there is a reason that Edge, Hopper are not playing over anyone, even McDuffie. So everyone, chill the fuck out and shut the fuck up.
01:16:10
Speaker
I got it. That's great. But isn't one of the reasons why Didn't they come out and say one of the reasons why edge didn't play as many snaps last week was because when he went out there He made a couple of good plays But then he made like a boneheaded mistake and the floor wanted him off the field right away Yeah, and like I said the game plan it would be totally different if it's like we're playing a standard offense Just go you're in the hook zone. Just go and hit people or make plays He's responsible on one play one play. He's got a
01:16:47
Speaker
he's got a QB spy next play he's the overhang defender and he's got to get to the edge and set the edge on the run didn't do it well on one play today and another play you're dropping into a deep deep middle zone and it's like okay and like i said this is not a shot at edge this is you trusting a rookie who missed almost all a preseason to do all these things correctly I understand why the team is hesitant to do that. it's It's a function of circumstance again. But like I said, are you going to bring the same vitriol if Edge goes out there and gets every play wrong? I don't want him to, but all I'm going to say is don't have your cake and eat it too.
01:17:30
Speaker
You got anything for it, Justin? try playing devils advocate again if you do i'm gonna pooch you right off this screen Oh, Clay Walker, Clay Walker. No, I think he's just fine. People need to calm.
01:17:50
Speaker
down about Kway Walker. He's young. I think he plays with a lot of passion and a lot of fire. And I think that gets to him a little bit. But at the same time, I want those types of people out on the field. He's young. He's explosive. He's fast. He can be coached. I think he's going to be good. He's going to make some punishing plays this year moving forward. And like Aaron Rodgers said in the past, everybody just needs to relax on Kway.
01:18:21
Speaker
The only thing that I'm gonna say about Quay Walker, and I'm mad at you, Quay, so if you hear this, know that I'm mad at you. When I left Green Bay, I stopped at my favorite place, Waukesha Sports Cards in the Appleton Fox River Mall, and they were they were supposed to have a signing September 10th. So I put my money down to pre-order an eight by 10 signed by Quay Walker, and I got a call Friday morning saying you canceled the signing and you've canceled multiple signings. So they were returning my money. So I'm pissed off that I'm not getting my signed eight by 10 that I preordered. So, you know, that's where I stand with you. quai
01:19:02
Speaker
At least I got the money back though, so I'll be all right with it. All right. And on that note, we're going to close this one out. Want to say thank you. Well, no, I got one more. I want to put one more. I want to do this to audio one in because this one really pissed me off. And I think it pissed all of us off. And you might be a little lack on him because he is a Michigan guy. So, you know, whatever. But good human being. But always has a smile on his face when you see him in the locker room. Got his window ball. Malik Willis.
01:19:34
Speaker
So that's Taylor Luwan, former Wolverine. Taylor. oh
01:19:43
Speaker
that's this morning there's you to did that so three Like I said, Taylor didn't play a lot of the years that that basically you're saying he's dumb, like let's not sugarcoat it. You're saying he's football dumb and The point I keep going back to is Malik was not put in a position to succeed and in Tennessee. Bingo. And to draw conclusions off of what he did or didn't do in Tennessee is just
01:20:16
Speaker
it's It's bad, it's bad, it's bad all around. So Taylor, I hate to say it, but shut the fuck up on this one. And with that, I've got to run guys. just Justin, it was cool hanging out, and we hope to get you on more often with the show. Joe, trust you to take us out at the end of it. Yeah, I'll finish up after I get done with this, so. Appreciate it, Mike. You have a good night. Yeah, take care. All right, so I'm basically going to say it.
01:20:44
Speaker
i You know, I understand he's a he was a professional football player I'm just some schlub in Iowa who played a little bit of high school ball and doesn't know much outside of that but that's a pretty bad take and It just there's no need for it I understand a lot of a lot of content creators anymore are are trying for that hot take. And that's just not it. I'm not going to say he doesn't know ball. He was drafted for a reason. They knew he he had to know something for him to be drafted. It was in the third round. He was projected to go first round that year, but obviously he didn't. And that's fair. And I don't know the reasons, whatever. I mean, when he have taylor yeah, I mean,
01:21:39
Speaker
It's interesting that I said that I would, I would almost expect that Taylor LaJuan might come back and make a comment and be like, you know what, I take that back or something. Cause he, you know, I watch him and, you know, will Compton on there, you know, on their podcast and stuff like that. I think if he gets enough stuff on it, I think he'll come back and, uh, I doubt it i believe that or moving forward. I would think actually when they play the Titans next week.
01:22:09
Speaker
One of two things is going to happen. Either he's going to completely ignore it and move on to the next thing because that's what a lot of these content creators that make the hot takes do. Or two, he's going to double down on it the for this week because the Packers are playing the Titans. And there's a good chance that Malik is going to be playing, is going to be starting. So I really think what the type of person he is is he's going to either completely ignore it or double down on it. And I just, there's,
01:22:39
Speaker
It's stupid to say that he doesn't know ball, and but he's just, he's a really good guy. He's just, he just, he's, he doesn't know anything. Okay. Whatever, you know, you don't just get in the NFL, not knowing anything. Come on. No, exactly. Especially, you know, I know the third round is from the first round, but the third round is still a prestige round. And, you know, he was drafted for a reason. Like Mike said, he was putting a shit situation.
01:23:08
Speaker
no guys to throw to hardly any kind of line blocking for him. There's just no way he could have succeeded down there. We saw the day that with the limited play calls that they are game plan that they had for him, he succeeded in it. That tells me he does know football. He does have an IQ to play football. Is it a high IQ? Maybe not.
01:23:33
Speaker
But it was a successful enough IQ. So since we are running a little bit long, I'm just going to say, Taylor Luan, shut the fuck up.
01:23:45
Speaker
Well, I got some good breaking news as we speak right now. The Bears just lost. That's always a good thing. That one didn't surprise me. And that was another thing I was going to bring up. But like I said, we are running a little bit long. So we will end it here in a couple seconds.
01:24:00
Speaker
But I just want to say to Bears fans, you also got to shut the fuck up just because of the simple fact that even Malik Willis had more passing yards in his first game than Caleb Williams and had, or Caleb Williams had in his first game. I don't know what the stats are for this game, but I am willing to bet it's probably even just as close with passing yards on that one too. Or it got some garbage time in there.
01:24:28
Speaker
But hey, no, I appreciate you having me on here. Look forward to, you know, getting our show rolling out. We'll have you on that as well. Today it was a good day in the NFL for the Packers. We got our first dub with the backup quarterback and one more little tidbit that I'll end on is that we are the first team in NFL history to have 800 wins. Yep. So just hang out for a little bit until we're done.
Closing Remarks
01:24:54
Speaker
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