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Finding points of difference and how much did you beat Dos by this week featuring the “Godfather of Fantasy” and Warnie from the Traders | Round 16 AFL Fantasy #PODPOD
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After a monster week from coaches that saw par pushing the 2500 mark, Holmesy and Harmey sit down with Warnie and Nathan and discuss how coaches can potentially find a point of difference against a competition that is flying.
The boys give their Lux or Sux, deliver their iconic strategy Roundtable discussion, talk about all the rookie options that may be available and then answer all of your questions!
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Transcript
Introduction and Crew Updates
00:00:19
Speaker
G'day and welcome to the Pod Pod. It's your boy, Homsey here, coming to you guys live this Monday night, 3rd of July. As you can tell, Dossie, not with us today. We'll get to that a little bit later. We've got a bit of a different crew on today, but as always, we've got the only mainstay of the group. We've got a two-time top 10 finisher, Hami, the only one that actually puts in the work week in, week out, regardless of his score. Hami, good to have you back again, mate. How are you going?
00:00:47
Speaker
Thanks, host. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm not going too bad, mate. Got to see a bit of footy on the weekend. It was good to have a few games to watch. So, yeah, Saturday Arvo, I sat back and watched a few games and watched some scores tick over, but some interesting stuff on the weekend and far out some huge scores on the weekend that we saw, which I'm sure we'll get to in a sec.
00:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, beautiful. And we've got a couple of special guests on tonight.
Meet the Regulars: Hami and Nathan
00:01:13
Speaker
And this first one, a man that needs no introduction, they call him the godfather of fantasy, the man that single-handedly has built the fantasy community as to what it is today. And that's Nathan from HatChat. Nathan, how are you going, mate?
00:01:29
Speaker
I was about to go, no, stop it. But I realized I'll be quiet. But no, thank you. I appreciate that introduction. Yeah, I'm doing really, really well. Thanks for having me on. I've been meaning to come on PodPod for a while. This is probably the only year in history I'm ever going to outrank you, Holmesies. So it was good to get me on this year.
00:01:46
Speaker
Yeah, we thought we'd get you on, mate. Being in Australia, it's not easy to get you on when you're in the United States with the time zone. So thanks for
Humor and Friendly Rivalry
00:01:55
Speaker
joining us. And yeah, as you can tell, we do have the Warndog on with us, and we do value ranking diversity on this show. We have our highly ranked coaches, and then we have, you know, Dossie, who's in the Dossie ranks, and we thought we'd just keep that diversity going with someone that's in the Dossie ranks. So, Warnie, how are you, mate? How's it all going?
00:02:14
Speaker
Well, the only reason I actually said yes, I'd jump on is because I thought Dossie would be here and I'd be on a podcast where I'm actually ranked higher than someone. Yeah, well, one of the highlights of coming on this show is to be able to say your score for the week and your rank and do the math on how much we do beat Dossie each week. So I'm sure even you'll get involved with that harmony. But let's kick us off. Sorry, Ronnie, let's kick us off. Harmony, how many points did you put on Dossie this week? What's the gap?
00:02:44
Speaker
Yes, and I think we might have alluded to it last week, Hamsy, that I didn't put 100 on him last week, but I've made up for it and then some. So this week's score 2533, which wasn't too bad. Didn't really see where that was for the round, but it must have been okay. And that brought my rank up 600 spots. So sitting at three, six, seven, six at the moment. So yeah, pretty good weekend.
Weekend Footy Highlights
00:03:11
Speaker
Yeah, far out, any week that you go over 2500 is a very impressive round, even if that really was only just a little bit above par this week with some monster scores. Nathan, how'd you go this week?
00:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, I outscored Dossi by a very nice 169 points with a 24.91. So it's moved me up in the ranks to 3,640. This might be the only podcast I'll ever do where I'm the highest ranking coach on the podcast. And it feels a little uncomfortable, to be honest. Harvey, could you have just done a little bit better this week? Would have been much better.
00:03:46
Speaker
So what we said, mate, ranked diversity. We need the highly ranked coaches on here. Warnie, how was your week? Yeah, exactly. This is where I'm at. So filling in for Dossie very well with a 2404. It's hard to think when you score a 2400 that it isn't going to be a good score for the week because it's like 21K for the weekly. Anyway, that's where I'm at. My ranking basically stayed roughly where it was, but that is a 13 and a half K ranking. So it's not very good at all.
00:04:16
Speaker
Dossie though. Yep. That's what we like to hear. And myself, I had a 24 79, which was 157 points ahead of Dossie. So I think those are those beers that I believe you're passing on to Dossie and then he's going to pass on to me. I believe is the story. What happened there? Can you fill us in on that story?
00:04:39
Speaker
I don't know. I think I just said yes to something. I don't know what happened there. I'm pretty disappointed that in any week, anyway, that I didn't beat him. Like it's a pretty sad, sad state of affairs, but I might have to bring that carton of ton over to Perth when I'm there in a couple of weeks time.
00:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You boys are coming over. Can't wait to catch up for a beer on that Thursday night once the kids are in bed. That'll be good. That 2479 actually was pretty much par for the week. I think I
Player Performances and Disappointments
00:05:08
Speaker
only went up a couple of hundred spots into 6259, I believe. So still moving in the right direction, but
00:05:14
Speaker
As we get into later in the show, it's pretty hard to climb rank at this time of year with so many good teams out there and so many of the teams similar. So we'll start with the positive. Hami, what's your luck's pick for the week?
00:05:28
Speaker
My Lux goes to my, I trade in from about a month ago, I suppose, but maybe even a bit more. And he doesn't need the CBAs to get it done anymore. Benny Keyes, 132, two goals. He was on fire in that game against North and very impressive stuff.
00:05:47
Speaker
Yeah, far out, I traded him in this week as well. And you look at the one CBA and you think it's not a role that's great for fantasy, but Jaden Papowski, your boy, Warney, has been very big on his role change. And even though he's not necessarily getting the CBA, his points from stoppages have dramatically increased. So Ben Keyes was a fantastic pick up a month ago. And even the coaches that only got on in the last couple of weeks will be really happy with how he's performed. Nathan, what's your luck for the week?
00:06:16
Speaker
Yeah, it goes to a man on debut for me, Crouch with 137. Had the money to go up to lead, but decided that Crouch would probably be the fantastic choice. And yeah, rewarded me well. Didn't put the C on him, but still an amazing pick and dominated the Eagles.
00:06:33
Speaker
It was a shame, wasn't it, that that was the last game because it would have been nice to see somebody against seagulls there. Yeah, he was really good. Holmes, do you agree? Brad, I know the kids are going to be listening at school, but don't repeat this language, but Brad fucking crouch. I swear to God, how I was the only one in the country that had him for those four seventies in a row knowing what he can do.
00:06:55
Speaker
which got himself, got him down cheap enough for everyone else to jump on. I don't know, but yeah, he was 17 tackles just back at his filthy best. So yeah, 137 was a very good way to cap off the weekend for you, Nathan. Warnie, what's your luck? Yeah, I was going to say Brad Crouch, but I didn't want to do that to you. They're homesy, so Nathan. I have no moral quandaries about that.
00:07:17
Speaker
So I'm actually going to give mine and this is probably the state of my team a little bit here as well that I was probably lucky that I was able to get a 95 from a Wool Ashcroft. So some of these rookies as well, the scores that they put up on the weekend were kept within range as some sort of form of a score that looked okay in some respects. So yeah, Wool Ashcroft with his 95 and then I guess the special mention go to Angus Sheldrick who both then ended up on my field for the week.
00:07:46
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to get into those rookies, but the fact that we're getting 90 scores from rookies at this time of the year is not only good for Cash Gen, but good for some of the teams like us that weren't able to quite complete their teams throughout the buy. So very good warning. I'm just going to give mine to a bit of low hanging fruit. We've all got him, but Roland Marshall, he was my captain going into that last game and it was a little bit risky.
00:08:09
Speaker
knowing that there was a potential sub if the Saints were up and going and the game was in the bag, but with the game being a lot tighter than what it was, a 130 to bring it home was a good way to finish the round. Harmony, let's get negative. What's your sucks for the week?
00:08:25
Speaker
Well this was one of my, well it didn't look like a mistake during the buy period but anyway one of the errors that have haven't gone my way. Jake Lloyd 79 points um daresay probably lucky to get to 79 as well anyway he
00:08:41
Speaker
He hasn't really been firing as one of my primos and he's been, you know, you got, I sort mine by price, a lot of my players, he's just been slipping down, down to D6 at the minute. So, yeah, Jack Lloyd can have it this way.
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah, we could all see it. I think you guys all jumped on him for that St Kilda matchup. That should have been a big, big score, but he's been pretty underwhelming since. Is he someone that you're looking to get off pretty soon? Yeah, possibly. He plays the Tigers this week in an early game, so I'll probably hold through.
00:09:19
Speaker
Yeah, I sort of, I banked a bit of cash last week, which I think we'll get to like the looping and that sort of thing. So I was tempted to sort of try and get him up to docketty, but, um, yeah, I think he'll probably hold at this point. Yeah. Nathan.
00:09:35
Speaker
Yeah, so for me, the first three quarters from Darcy Cameron were just terrible, terrible to watch. So he ended up on a 58, which I think is pretty lucky in the end, but there was a bit of a flag coming into the matchup that he might not do as well up against wits, but yeah, pretty disappointing to see that. And I have no patience for that this page of the season. So he's likely gone for me. Yeah, yep. I wasn't tracking the scores in that game, but to see him come out with a 58, pretty disappointing. Warning.
00:10:04
Speaker
I skip a Rory Ladd scoring an 85. So obviously a very ordinary scorer. I've got my tail between my legs because Calvin apparently told me not to do it. So even though we put him in his top five, I said, you know, if you're trying to put that out there as a top five, which everyone likes to do at the moment, like their top fives out there, Calvin's all critical of everyone else trying to take him down because they are actually taking him down. So to still have Rory Ladd in there, I should have been able to get a decent score, but 85 is pretty average. Like even
00:10:34
Speaker
anyone else that I could have made a captain, I would have got an extra 20 to 30 points on and you know, that then might have had me closer to that par figure. I'll just throw this to you, Warnie, with the emergence of Jordan Dawson and then the resurgence, I guess, of Ben Keyes. Do we think Rory Ladd's going to be a top eight mid from here?
00:10:55
Speaker
I don't think so now. I think it's just because he will have these types of games and just watching him is a hard watch at times because like all those little bits and pieces that he would do in games to get there racking up those tackles just being there. He looked even disinterested is a word that gets thrown around a little bit but he just was around the packs you know plodding around like he does sometimes which is
00:11:16
Speaker
sometimes what we love about a player like that because he's not going to cop that attention or anything if he's playing that sort of mode but you're hoping that he's around those contests for those tackles and unfortunately we just didn't see him hit the stat lines that he normally would.
00:11:30
Speaker
The thing about him is, remember like last two years, Adelaide have been pretty crap, but this year they've been pretty competitive and they're going all right. They took the opportunity to run like Richeli and Rankin through the middle bit on the weekend. They don't rely on him. They don't need him to be in the CBAs 100% of the time and be the clearance player. Dawson's came and taking the pressure off. I was thinking about trading in a row lead on the week just gone.
00:11:59
Speaker
in the end i didn't because of that fact as part of the consideration i think throwing that out there too now that he's so expensive um well when i say so expensive he's also highly owned as well that's where it's going to be tricky to even think that he'll he'll be that guy so it might be one of those little power moves to to get him out um and and take that on now from here
00:12:21
Speaker
I think it'll be really interesting to see what happens around 24 up against the Eagles in the last game, whether it'll be probably the differentiated between who wins a hat or not. The top end is who captains Dawson versus who captains Laird.
00:12:33
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's funny, right? The only human score that Dawson's had in the last six weeks of footy was against the Eagles, right? So maybe they do sort of put them on ice a little bit in that last game if they need to prepare for a big final coming up. My sucks pick, and it was looking pretty good. I actually, once I got Sheldrick's score from the bench, I swung Darcy Cameron into R3 as a bit of loop action to have a look. And with that 58 points on the bench, I thought I was onto one here.
00:13:01
Speaker
Here in Briggs came out and put a big solid one point more than Darcy Cameron, so I don't know what I'm going to do with that extra point. I was away all weekend, but I was kind of checking the scores a little bit and three-quarter time Briggs had got himself to 62, I think, and I was just licking my lips. I thought, yep, that's another 85, 90 that I'll be able to just take to the bank.
00:13:20
Speaker
a negative three last quarter was just not something you expect from a ruckman who's around the ball a lot. So he's been, he's been fantastic for me. He's made a shit ton of money and has scored like a premium, but now I'll have a tough decision to make or whether I get rid of him or not, because I think he's going to go back to being a little bit more normal for a ruckman, which might only be that 75 to 85 range. All right. Let's set and forget.
Content Creators Cup and Community Success
00:13:47
Speaker
Yeah. Far out.
00:13:51
Speaker
Yeah, well, can't wait to do that next year. Hami, let's get into the pod. We know you love giving you a little bit of an update on the Content Creators Cup. So how'd we go this week? You might have to include Nathan and Warnie in this one. Oh, well.
00:14:07
Speaker
One of my favourites, the content creator's cup brought through by Infinite Wealth, our good mate, Guestie, there, and he's Guestie, he's easy to be happy, 2.5, 2.3, he's over the 2.5 mark as well, so well done to him. Look, a bit of a quiet week for the fantasy boys, I think. Warnie went down to Louis, our man, and Calvin got beat by Nathan, so,
00:14:36
Speaker
Nathan, well done. Good week for you to come on. Excellent. But- Best coach in the podcast. Yes. But from my score this week, Nathan, I got you. Yeah, that's fair. You can only beat who you matched up against. And I knew with Calvin, I could get to the 24.91 and just coast. Holmes, you got to win. Well done, buddy. Over Nick from the Break Even podcast. And then- Suck it, Miller time.
00:15:02
Speaker
Any monsters? Any monster scores? Nah, there's a few over the 2-5 though, so. No, another good week all round, but Dossie unfortunately did not get the dub.
00:15:15
Speaker
Yeah, he's been copping it all, Dossi, the one point loss last week and going down again. We love you, Dossi. Stick with it, mate. I'm sure 2024 is the year that you can finally break into that top 10K with the rest of us. Going into the Pod Pod Challenge and we have now got an extra coach inside the top 100, so 26, which is absolutely insane. But the big mover of the week, so John Os, so his team love at first, Lance has actually moved up into third. So we've had
00:15:45
Speaker
Jono moving to third, we've had Bindi's Blues move up to fifth and then we've still got Kevin there sitting at eighth. So far out, it's getting tight at the top and we are going to talk about it a little bit later on as to how some coaches can potentially differentiate themselves from the rest of the comp and really have a crack at the title.
00:16:04
Speaker
Yeah, it's very, uh, positive to say so many of the pod pod community doing well at fantasy this year. How about this? How about this guy? 15th. He's sitting in 15th now. 2625. Delete team. He's a massive star.
00:16:24
Speaker
Yeah, and I think Jayden Popowski put out the stat as well. There was a team last week that had an overall salary of over 23 million when I think mine was sitting at about 21.5. And yeah, someone that has that much team value, pretty much just the DT Lemon. You'd think they're going to come flying home. Sorry about that, boys. All right, so hot topics.
Trading Strategies and Player Insights
00:16:50
Speaker
Josh Dunkley, what are we going to do with Josh Dunkley if they decide to rest him this week? Warnie, what are you thinking? I think it's a trade. So if I'm going to talk from my personal experience here with that, it's just going, it's going to get the big dog that I don't have. And for me, that would be grabbing the Jordan Dawson that I wouldn't get in any other way. I don't think whether that's a
00:17:12
Speaker
an upgrade or whatever I'm trying to get to him. So that would be my excuse. I think whatever it is, I think one week is all for trading. And if you're in that position with a Sheldrick on the bench, you might consider the hold. So, and you get a bit of a look at that as well. So you'd be able to see what score he has because they've got that first game. So if you've got him sitting there, you can have a look and go, that could help you make your decision with your hold, Dunkley or not. But I just think at this point,
00:17:40
Speaker
We are shuffling deck chairs now and part of that could be helping, yeah, build up the rest of your side depending on what you do with a dunks. Obviously that score did drop his price down a little bit as well. So we didn't get the return that we wanted from him. But yeah, I'm just a trade with any of these guys and I'll just try to turn that into a positive. So if there is someone big that you didn't have and this might be a way for some people to get to their Tim English from your
00:18:08
Speaker
from your Briggs, if that's what you want to try to do or wherever that is, I think that's where I'm going to make that happen for me.
00:18:26
Speaker
If he's going to miss, I just think you're close enough to the end of the season now. There's no point having a million dollars sitting on your bench. I mean, let's have a think. Warnie's scenario there, so let's say we're going to loop Sheldrick. He scores, what, 80 or maybe 75. If he scores 75, what would you do? Would you still trade, Dunkley?
00:18:48
Speaker
I mean, I would. Every day of the week, I'd be trading straight. Like, I don't have Stephen Canelio. I'd take him because I can't remember. Oh, they've got Hawks. So, man, he's got to be over 100, doesn't he? That's 25 points you've given up if you don't elect to trade.
00:19:04
Speaker
Yeah and that's assuming that you have all rookies off field in the forward line anyway and if you're like a lot of teams out there that were already looping through a rookie spot in that F6 position before then maybe you are relying on another rookie to fill the Dunkley hole as well which means you could be getting a sub pass score from a Windhager or any of those other forward rookies that you have so yeah it is
00:19:27
Speaker
Probably a trade. At this stage, at least after the game, they sounded pretty positive that it was just a bit of cramp or a corky or whatever it is and they've got a nine day break. So fingers crossed he gets up. Nathan, it is the pod pod and I don't need to channel a little bit of an inner dossy here. Could you go down to humor cluggage for one week, bank a shit ton of cash, knowing that the club will have the role for the week and then look to get Dunkley back the week after?
00:19:54
Speaker
This is the one year because of how many suspensions we've seen for dangerous tackles and all the injuries we've seen that I wouldn't be trying to do that one week play. Because what happens if there's one injury or you get one dangerous tackle, you've got to be trading out them and humor clog at the same time.
00:20:10
Speaker
And so you're really hoping for that sort of a two week. And I just think it's a very quick way to derail your season if you do go for that immediate cash grab. But it could be a pod pod, it could be a Dossie move. And as you know, if it's Dossie earlier in the season, go for it. But if you're thinking it's Dossie later in the season, then I would leave it very, very far away.
00:20:29
Speaker
I reckon there with that as well, though, like a humor cluggage, the the lines don't have that bad a draw either. So like if you were stuck with them, they've got Melbourne the following week, which they're not hard or anything against. They do have Geelong after that. So that is at home, though. But then they roll into Gold Coast and Fremantle. So there are a couple of easy fixtures there if you were stuck with it. But yeah, I don't think a humor cluggage is the one to do it with.
00:21:01
Speaker
I'm not going to lie, it's something I'll actually look at it. I think the amount of cash that you'll make from that to be able to go up on the other end to fix my rabble of a side, I think could actually be worth it. And we've actually seen McClage come back to a bit of form recently. I think he's had two tons in his last three and the one ton that he didn't have was that 80 that he got knocked out halfway through the third quarter. So he's actually found his scoring groove again.
00:21:26
Speaker
But yeah, until Dunkley's confirmed out, we're just speculating at this stage. The other hot topic that we'll quickly go through, there's not much to really go over, but DPP's just around the corner. We're not sure there's going to be too many relevant players, but Sam Walsh still right on the bubble. I think he was 36.5% last week, and he had a game on the weekend with 57% CBAs, so potentially a Sam Walsh might pick up forward status, which might put him on the cusp of the top six forwards, but
00:21:55
Speaker
I mean, with what we've got this year, you're probably going to pass, right? Unless you really just strapped for cash. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I know a good back would be good, but I've got so many forwards. I've got forwards in my midfield. I'm just carrying them around like keys in my midfield. And I've got, this is my forward line. I don't want to sound like I'm boasting or anything like that. But Taranto, Dunkley, Golden, Rosie, Butters, Jack McRae, and keys in my midfield.
00:22:22
Speaker
And like I said, I don't even have no space. He's a good target. So yeah, I'm not going to put Walsh in there. Yeah. A lot of people are in that position already fair. Yeah. Yeah. We'll, uh, we'll stick with your army. We'll go into our strategy round table discussion now. So what are some points that you want to hit on from the weekend and how coaches need to sort of attack this last third of the season?
00:22:47
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Well, I guess we're getting to the point of the season where, as Warnie said, we're shuffling the deck chairs a bit and we're looking to sideways trade a bit because most of our teams will be basically complete. So I guess I did a bit of an error on the weekend with my trades.
00:23:07
Speaker
I marked around with some looping and I brought on Sheldrick's score and I brought on Darcy Wilmot's score in the back line too. So I left my trades late in the round and then I sort of didn't quite get who I wanted. So I brought in Jack Steele.
00:23:22
Speaker
Now, you know, normally looking like a value play, Jack Steele, all good. But I just feel like he's probably owned by enough of a percentage of the competition to for that to not be a great move unless he starts hitting over 100. So I guess what I'm trying to say is you've got to be looking for a point of difference as we're now closing on the last eight rounds. I think it's eight rounds at one that we've got left to go. Yep. Counting every second of it.
00:23:50
Speaker
Particularly the teams that are in the top thousand, you really, you don't want to be bringing in the same players that everybody else has got. If you were trying to rise in ranks, you want to see, you know, how your team is going to be different to the others. And I guess something that I've been looking at homes here is who's got a good run home that is going to be a target for us. So great players in a team with a good run home.
00:24:18
Speaker
Yeah, and I suppose there's a flip side of that, Hami, with so many of the top coaches, the top thousand and the top hundred even having the same teams, what are some of the players that have the tough runs coming up that you could potentially trade out to get ahead of the comp? So I've got some stats here from Heff. He puts up his top hundred numbers.
00:24:36
Speaker
So you've got Dawson, Marshall, Dunkley, Taranto, Goulden, Sheldrick, Daikos that are all 100% owned in the top 100. And then you have a further Stuart, Rosie, Sinclair, Laird, English that are all in the high 90s. And then Tom Green, Brayshore, Merritt and Butters all 80% or higher. So there's a good 17 players out of the 22 that are all very, very highly owned in the top coaches. And if they all have the same teams,
00:25:04
Speaker
how are you going to differentiate yourself to try and get a leg up on the comp? Because it is going to be different depending on whether you are chasing the Hilux or whether you're just trying to get into the 100 for that hat. But I think if you're anyone that's in the sort of top 40, you should be aiming to try to have a crack to go as high as possible. And you're not going to do it by playing safe. So who are some of these players that we can look to potentially trade out to get ahead? I'll throw up a Tom Stewart. I know he's got these GMHBA games to come.
00:25:33
Speaker
But I think Tom Stewart seemed to have a flaw on his day. He put up a 66 just a couple of weeks ago as well.
00:25:39
Speaker
being 99% owned or whatever he is, I think he's someone, if you can get him up to a high ceiling type player and make some points on the competition, that could be a good differentiator. What do you think there, Warnie? Yeah, I don't mind that as a player either. And I think we all got him in thinking that he might be that guy because of those GMHBA games. But looking a little bit, and this is stealing a bit of Calvin's scale of hardness stuff here, he's got North Melbourne and Essendon over the next two who you can score against and that should be all right. But then playing on from that,
00:26:08
Speaker
They're up at Brisbane, they've got Fremantle, they've got Port Adelaide, obviously those teams are tricky ones and in defence they certainly are there. So he doesn't even have a lot of, he's got a couple of greens on cow scale of hardest coming up.
00:26:23
Speaker
in around 22 and 23 but that could be one that you flicked across because I think there are some defenders where you can probably differentiate. I think we looked there and Hami Rildof is beast looking forward line and all those players and you're probably going to be reluctant to move any of those types of guys whereas in defence you possibly can.
00:26:43
Speaker
Yeah maybe that Brisbane matchup is the one to look at. I don't have the stats off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure he gets the Cameron matchup some of the time and I think maybe Brisbane even chucked a bit of a forward tag on him one of the more recent games and he had a serious floor game so maybe that's one to pencil in but
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah, you're right. Maybe not against North Melbourne or Essendon in the next two. Yeah, well that might be even a couple of things that you do look at. Like, is it not even so much the scale of hardness? It's looking at your tags. Like, just if there is that even chance of a tag, do you jump at a shadow and just go, yep, that can be my reasoning in what I'm trying to do. So that might be what you're looking at, whether that's a midfielder or like you said there with a shoot as one of those forward tags on him.
00:27:30
Speaker
Yeah, perfect. Why don't you just keep us rolling, Warnie? What observations do you have from the weekend or moving forward? Yeah, I guess this is... Hold on. Can I just... Hold on a sec, Holmesy. You've just focused on the people who trade out. I just want to talk about the other side of that, the flip side, and some areas that I'd be looking to trade in. So I've had a bit of a look at the run home. Warnie spoke about the scale of hardness.
00:27:55
Speaker
I've been trying to see which teams might have a nice run coming up, and that's kind of part of the reason why I took steel in the end, because the Saints have got not a bad run. I'll just talk about a few teams, right? So North and West Coast actually have a good run home, but I'm not going to go near them because they stink.
00:28:15
Speaker
Um, there's probably a couple of exceptions to the rule, but generally that's how I feel about them. But there's three teams that I had a look and I thought, geez, that's a pretty good finish to the season. The Giants, Melbourne, and the Saints. I think they all have good runs home. And I guess I'll talk about some players later in the pub that I think are worth targeting, but I did, or, you know, like I mentioned, Keneally, I don't have him and I reckon he's probably a good pickup this week against the Hawks because of that run and his role.
00:28:44
Speaker
A couple on that then I reckon with some players that you might consider and Cow was pretty hot on some Hawthorn defenders so you might have a look at them when Sick Dog's back next week he might be a massive target to be looking for because they have a lot of green it looks like a Bob Marley concert there with what's going on. GWS obviously this week which you won't be playing but then he goes north into Richmond, St Kewletta, Collingwood all green teams on the scale so I think that
00:29:12
Speaker
he should be a target and that might be that. If you are jumping off a Tom Stewart, that should be the guy that you're looking at possibly. I think that would be a nice little play there. And that's why even if you were looking at value, a scrim sure, I didn't mind as an option this week as well based on that fixture coming up. We know that harmony loves some scrim sure.
00:29:36
Speaker
That's exactly what I'm planning on doing, to be honest. At round 18, I've already penciled in the Stuart to Sicily trade, which is where I'm hoping they don't have to make any of those other smaller upgrades because that's the one I really want to differentiate myself. How many of those green games is he going to miss, though? Bloody sick dog. He's a hard own sometimes. Yeah, and then Stuart will carve up.
00:29:58
Speaker
Yeah. Does that run for Hawthorne-Harmie? I know that was for defenders, but does that change your thoughts around Will Day? He showed what we all sort of, you know, we worried about on the weekend. He had a 26-disposal game where he barely marked or tackled and only put up a 79, which is not what we're really after at this time of year. Does that change your thinking about Will Day or is he someone that you're looking to move on pretty soon, if you can?
00:30:24
Speaker
I'm happy to have a watch this weekend using Nathan's example as somebody that I'm kind of interested that potentially that's my move to Sicily the week after.
00:30:37
Speaker
Yep, beautiful had two tons since round seven. So there is a small concern about him, but I'd like to see him for one week with Sicily before I try. We can talk a bit of those hindsight things there too. Like when he was out for those two weeks, if you didn't get him back in or you, or you, if you did trade him or, and then didn't get him back in, that was definitely the right move. When you're looking at that back as a bit of a season wrap.
00:31:01
Speaker
Yeah, and even that game on the, just not on the weekend, but the one just gone where he did have that 1.16. I think we flagged it last week, but that 50 point quarter, just against the Gold Coast where he was able to go back and wrap. Yeah, it's not sustainable. You think he's more of an 80 to 90 type player with a bit of a flaw.
00:31:22
Speaker
Yeah. I just, I don't know if you saw any of that game though. Holmes, he like, he was still around the bowl. Um, he looked okay. Like he was, you know, trying to get the clearance and everything. It's just a Hawthorne were hopeless. This is what I'm saying about the other teams North, like LDU, Simkin. All right. We go North. Okay. Hold on. West coast. What I'm saying is there are, there are periods where those teams just aren't going to be competitive over the next two months.
00:31:51
Speaker
Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. Warning, let's go with yours. With what we're looking at, I think we had a bit of a chat on our podcast today around sort of that looping plan. And we mentioned it a little bit earlier about teams that might be complete or whatever, but there's a lot of us that would be having at least one rookie, a couple of rookies on field. And it's that idea of, can you trade other players out around that because you might have some players worth looking at? I think
00:32:19
Speaker
The simple thing is if Ashcroft is sitting there as your M8, you've got him and then most likely you've got Matt Johnson and those guys have shown us that they can put up close enough to premium scores, be that sort of 90 plus guy that could work there and you can play that loop game with those guys. You might have to have a look at what your line is because obviously you would prefer to be them being a premium but there's going to be that price difference to try to get to that premium which makes it.
00:32:47
Speaker
a bit trickier. So you've got that one in the midfield. I won't probably really put Elijah Hewitt in there with that as well. And especially too, I'm assuming they're going to be playing a lot of later games in the rounds being the Weagles, but the other one is in the forward line. Sheldrick has been putting up some great scores. And I thought this might've been his, his one where he wasn't so good. And so I actually made the decision to play Windhager over him based on the matchup for that one. But
00:33:12
Speaker
but did have the emergency on him and then I actually traded around getting his score in there. But you could be doing that with a Windhager and obviously the Sheldrick guy there. Sheldrick's got the play this week because he's got the Thursday night game. So yeah, do you suggest that that is a bit of a play that you could be going with and then maybe moving a Will Day, moving some of those guys, if it's a Darcy Cameron you've got there, getting rid of a Briggs before you actually jumped on those rookies. I guess you're in that position there, Holmsey.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yeah, on the weekend, we saw all of these rookies go well, right? Sheldrick, Johnson, even Windhayer, they all put up respectable scores, but we know a week is a long time in fantasy. I said this a month ago that this was definitely a play, and then the following week, Johnson and Wardlaw both put up 30s.
00:34:01
Speaker
If that happens, then you're in strife. So I think you still want to try and get them off, but still have the option of looping them on if possible. And we are in a very luxurious spot this week with your right. Sheldrick plays Thursday. So we get a look at that. I don't think there's too many relevant players that you'd want to be trading into in the real first couple of games. So you get a real look before you decide what to do with your trades. Even a Willmont, I think, plays the first game on the Sad Day. Same with your Ashcroft. So
00:34:30
Speaker
We say we don't enjoy the rolling lockout, but I think this week it's going to be quite handy for coaches. So potentially have a look there. But I think, yeah, that the smart play will still be to get a full team of premiums as soon as you can and then potentially look to loop from there. If they do put up some monsters, Nathan.
00:34:48
Speaker
I've seen a couple of teams essentially though panic a little bit when they have their, you know, Sheldrick scored a 93 last week and then everyone sort of was trying to blow up their teams in order to try to get him in. I would say if you're doing that, definitely make sure you have two plans essentially for whatever your cutoff with Sheldrick is and then set up those two trades so that it's not Saturday morning or Friday morning before the first game.
00:35:09
Speaker
where you're just trying to panic and destroy your team a little bit. So I've seen people trading in red dots and alert and the like, but that's what they didn't want at all. And it's destroyed their team a little bit because they just had to get Sheldrick on field. So I would say definitely plan for the eventuality that he scores, you know, you an 80 or a 90 to what he wants and then go, okay, well, now what am I going to do there?
00:35:30
Speaker
That's probably the message that I would say too, don't rely on it. Like, have a fly at it early in the round. You're going to chuck the E on them, but don't rely on them being a score, because as Holmesy said, Wardlow, Johnson, I can't remember Sheldrick, but they've all put sub 50 point scores, you know, and if you're trying to loop between two and you've limited your options, then I just wouldn't even worry about it. This week, to take Sheldrick's
00:35:59
Speaker
I actually ended up benching Feorini, so it cost me two points. So I'm just saying, yep, great idea, but don't rely on that for a completed 22.
00:36:11
Speaker
I think there's a strong chance that people are going to get caught out this week if Sheldrick goes say a 70 or a 60 and that people will just be trusting. Well, Johnson will probably fill out that 85 to 90 that he's going to get. And I think coming against Carlton this week, he might struggle and actually only get that sort of more of a floor score. And that's the opportunity where if you have the ability to get that rookie off field based off of Sheldrick scores poorly, you can be 50, 60 points up off of everyone that was just relying on, well, one of those two will do well.
00:36:39
Speaker
Yeah, I suppose this week was, or the round just gone, we had a wind hanger coming up against the Eagles, which were all very confident in him putting up a decent score, but you would be a little bit nervous rolling into a rookie in the last game if they don't have that plum matchup. So yeah, all great points there. So moving forward, we'll look at a few rookie targets that we can potentially trade down to this week to raise a little bit of cash.
00:37:03
Speaker
so that we can get up on the other end. So there's a few rookies that have put their hand up. So I think Elijah Hewitt is probably the pick of the bunch for those more expensive rookies. So he's 269K now. So he's not incredibly cheap, but I think he won a 61 or a 65 on the weekend off the back of two goals. And you would think with the way that the Eagles are going, he probably has some very good job security for the last eight games of the round. So if he could potentially get up to that 400-ish range, then he could be
00:37:32
Speaker
a good bit of cash to use in those final rounds to go for those really luxury upgrades. We then have two debutantes that have been named today for Richmond. We don't know whether one will be the sub yet, so make sure you keep a keen eye on that. But we have Bauer, who is a 200K forward, and then Banks, who is a 200K defender. So depending on what your team needs,
00:37:55
Speaker
there could be some a good option there and then bins from Carlton very close on a debut they keep saying we don't know what his role is going to be but you you brought him in on the weekend didn't you warning is that sort of red dot that you hope will play sometime soon yeah and that was the one blowing up your team as Nathan said that I ended up doing but um
00:38:13
Speaker
No, I guess there was enough there to go. Yep, I can sit him there. I've still got bench cover in that position. So it wasn't totally screwing myself over. But yeah, his numbers have been so good in the VFL that hopefully Carlton's just in that position that they need to play someone. I think that's the thing. Like you've got this kid that you've drafted.
00:38:33
Speaker
Are they making the finals? Surely not. I hope not. As a bomber supporter, Army, we don't want Carlton making finals. Although if they do, them losing a final would be pretty nice if we got up and got one. But anyway, I think...
00:38:49
Speaker
Yeah, he's the one there, but looking at those Richmond boys as well, being the $200K that they are, it could be that little heartbeat that gets you some coin going through. Bauer, he's got a $123K last week in the VFL, kicking three goals, but took 12 marks in that too, so pretty massive stat line there to be able to do that. But Banks, one of our Tassie boys being $200K as well, and I reckon
00:39:13
Speaker
I'd say there'd be a lot of back lines. I know mine's one of them that has no one sitting there at the moment as an emergency. You might have cashed out, yeah, we'll want like I did at the buys. But yeah, so you can have a look at banks there. His points have been okay throughout the VFL. So last week had a 68, which came from an 18 disposal game.
00:39:36
Speaker
Prior to that he had a back-to-back 93s and he's had a couple of other 90s throughout the season so while you're not getting these guys based totally on their VFL numbers just that ability to score and it'll depend on role obviously is what they can do so Banks is probably the one I like in the sense of if he is in that 22 they might just need to use him while if Short's out for that medium term they called it for his hammy
00:39:59
Speaker
They might just give him a bit of a run to almost a bit like that, talking about Carlton and giving bins a bit of a run. Richmond are possibly in that position as well with a draft E.
00:40:12
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point that you make. I forgot to mention that the Jaden Shaw injury, I don't think there's been a confirmation yet on how bad that hamstring is. They called it medium term. The Richmond have come out and said that. So that's not well, that's not a long areas of injury report. Yeah, that's not a two to three week it a me. I think that could be definitely that month. So yeah, this opportunity I would assume.
00:40:37
Speaker
For me, that's the one I'm really interested in, and I personally prefer going banks if he's in the 22 to Hewitt this week. Uh, Hewitt, I'm not particularly sold on, obviously 15, I was right and I have him and I brought him in this week, but just, uh, as Tommy mentioned, bringing in players on shit teams, uh, he needed two goals to get to that. And I don't see the Eagles getting two goals next week. So it's whether or not he can actually score, but I think if someone with the potential element of a Jaden short role,
00:41:05
Speaker
I'm more confident in going in, particularly with that defensive flexibility. I just feel like there's a bit of Kyle Loman about it. Bring in a higher draft pick, give him a bit of a run and show him a bit of love and I don't know. Yeah, Brisbane are making finals though. Richmond probably aren't. That's my take there, I guess. I guess Richmond still are possible of making finals. Like people were saying, don't write them off or whatever, but that was a pretty average effort that they put up on last Thursday night.
00:41:35
Speaker
I could just, I just feel like there'd be a bit more of a shuffle, wouldn't they? Like, you'd just get, you know, Liam Baker, Dan Rioli, Broad Flosten, Grimes, like, I think there's enough backs there. They'd probably just bring them back off the wing and put them back on the back flank. 100%, but I guess, I could be wrong. I guess what you're doing though, you, you.
00:41:55
Speaker
probably buying almost any rookie thinking that they could be gone in a week or two anyway. Like I, you need to, if you need to generate some cash, if you need to get some cash and that's like trading someone down that may not be playing as well. And that's the other side of it all may have shaky job security too. Like, yeah. And this is where I'm thinking in the back line, I'd be keeping a Wilmot because he's going to be there. But if you've got someone else that you can just slide down and just bank a few dollars, it might be that difference to help you get up to someone.
00:42:26
Speaker
All right, so Nathan, I'll throw one to you. So I was having a look at this today. So I've got Wilmot. I thought, well, he's 530,000 something now. I'll try and cash a bit out and put it on somebody else. So I'm looking at in my defensive line, I can go all the way down to banks, which will get me up to a top line primo. I think everybody bar bond. So you like your Roy lead types. Okay. But then Nathan, what I'm thinking is instead, I'll go down.
00:42:53
Speaker
from Wilmot to Campbell Cheser, who I reckon is going to get a decent run at it, and I could probably rely on him for a month at least. Okay, and that just means that I need to take a bit of a haircut on the Primo that I get to, and that's what I'm saying. I arrive at somebody like a Canelio. Well, I reckon it's going to score around about the same anyway, and I feel like I'm going to have two guys playing for the next month at least, rather than taking a risk on somebody who's only going to be there for a week or two.
00:43:21
Speaker
It's an interesting concept, and for me it's one where I go...
00:43:25
Speaker
I'm not a big fan of chess. I still own chess, but I just think there's any capability. Yes, the Eagles will probably need him, but I think it's really just a warm heartbeat. And with the massive enrolling lockout we have that we actually have some trades available. I don't see a massive potential, but what I do like about yours is I do think there's Canelio and Laird are pretty close that I don't really mind that at all. Where it is for me is if you can go to a dockety instead or something like that. For me, it's a Canelio is probably
00:43:55
Speaker
I think we'll obviously do hundreds like you mentioned but for me it's how highly owned is he in the top 100 and I don't really see that as a massive differentiator so for me I'm comfortable getting that extra you know 114k which while it might not be the best thing this week it could be really important to you in the next couple of weeks so I really think that Chesa is very capable but I only see him going up another 60k max
00:44:19
Speaker
All right. Thanks for the expert advice from my top ranking coach. I'll take that. The 36 difference, the difference of 36 between our ranks. It's really important. The two, the two top 10 finishes mean absolutely nothing. So it's all about what you can do in the specific year.
00:44:37
Speaker
Yeah, I also don't think we want to get blinded too much by the Eagles fantasy scores from the weekend either. Some of those, well, they have six tons on the weekend with Hearn and Witherden both going 130, Duggan, 115. You just have to look at the rookies. Long Chesa.
00:44:52
Speaker
Hewitt all going over 60, even what, Marek put up a 70. So there was just points there to be had with the way that St. Kuell to play. They just zone and let you possess the footy. So I think you'll find, especially this week against Brisbane, that that goes back to the norm and those egos, rookies. Cesar had almost 90% time on ground and I just don't see that happening going forward, given he was 60% against Sydney and 73% against Adelaide. I just don't see that happening and I potentially see him as a sub risk too.
00:45:22
Speaker
Yeah, I'll stay with you Nathan because we've heard what harm is kind of looking at this week. Knowing what we know about the potential to loop these rookies and I'm well aware that it's going to depend on, you know, maybe what these rookies do early, but are you looking to do a traditional downgrade upgrade this week or are you kind of looking at what I might potentially be doing in making a little bit of money from a Briggs down to a Himmelberg type and then trying to fix someone else elsewhere and kind of fading these rookies at this stage?
00:45:49
Speaker
At the moment I'm failing the rookies and I've gone sort of the two almost sideways because I have that, you know, 140 K cash little benefit. I've got Hobbs and Cameron that I'm both not particularly sold on being quite good this week. So probably eighties to nineties, it would be a good outcome for the two. So I'm considering going down from one of them to a himmelberg and going up from the other one to a docketty or a sarong. So that's the real difference there is I think that's the ability to make me differentiate from other people by having that excess cash.
00:46:19
Speaker
and getting rid of the two mid prices where I see that's where a lot of people are losing 20 points each week. And saying that, looking at Himmelberg's run, I'm not entirely stoked, but I do think it's a relatively nicer, nicer risky play.
00:46:34
Speaker
And Warnie, what are you looking to do as someone like myself that's quite far back? Yeah, I guess my rage trades, my Monday morning rage trades, which is what it's sitting on at the moment was, well, finally getting rid of Andy McGrath. So there's one of those guys that have, should have been going in round two and his, what are we, round 17 coming up. So he's going and that might just be a simple one to Himmelberg, which begs me a little bit more cash. And at that time it was basically,
00:47:04
Speaker
will day to Jordan Dawson. That was probably to have a little bit of fun with that. But realistically, it is probably one of those rookies and it might be a, I think Matt Johnson's probably my one that goes because he is, I just feel like the time on ground type stuff and it could, he's the one where I think it could shift a lot easier for anyone. Obviously put up that 30 a couple of weeks ago as well. So
00:47:28
Speaker
as much as he's got cash to make he could become like a big dog premium because I'm taking in I think about 230k this week I make a hundred and something to the Himmelberg so putting 300k on him gets me up to one of those you know mid 800 type guys so that's where I'd be
00:47:45
Speaker
Okay with that because there's lots of great value options in that mid 800 that can be comparable scorers to anyone else in the competition in the midfield so of the premium ones so I'm looking there that's realistically what happens but if Dunkley's out then that's where
00:48:02
Speaker
oh hell works, at least essentially I'm going to have to turn Dunkley into probably Dawson, that's my way of getting Dawson and then it'll end up being still the Andy McGraw out and that'll be a big dog somewhere, which could be almost any position that I can do that with.
00:48:17
Speaker
Have you got Docherty worn? Yeah, I got him last week, actually. That was my little move. I was all about Himmelberg last week, which obviously would have ended up all right because he added his 90 even though he had a poor final quarter. I would have been definitely OK with that. But I then had sort of that was my ability to get Docherty in. So that was a nice one. He looked really good on the weekend as well.
00:48:39
Speaker
He's a gardener, but I was just looking at it. He's over a million bucks. He'd be 100% owned in the top 100. I don't know what he'd be in the top thousand.
00:48:51
Speaker
Oh and that's it it goes against everything that I probably think I like I always give Calvin shit about paying up and getting the top dog guy like I've got to find who that is but yeah it's probably having to do a little bit of thinking around how that works because I still have a lot of things to fix and going back to that conversation about looping rookies like Holmes he said ideally I want to be having guys that
00:49:13
Speaker
can be having on feel that I've got a bit more confidence in and as well just I've lost all my hair anyway I just I don't want too many sleepless nights I think over thinking about loops because it sucks that's what actually sucks about this rolling lockout is having to be on and switched on and trying to work that out and then it's even that little mapping it out and going shit I can't actually do that because I don't have a guy in that position or the timing doesn't work right because you're
00:49:37
Speaker
your red dot rookie is playing prior to the guy that you have gone into trying to loop, so you've got to be smart with it. All these are laid out. I can highly recommend flying away and being asleep throughout all the night, so you just have nothing to do with it. So you stress less, you wake up in the morning and go, well, I wonder if, you know, I woke up in the morning and saw Callamills is three. So I went, oh, great. Well, at least I didn't have the anger for a few days. That'd be nice.
00:50:04
Speaker
Yeah, we'll, we'll stick with you, Hami, then I'll throw to you for the, the Fossil's Five. So for the coaches that are looking to go up this week to get in the gun premiums, who are your recommended targets for, for maybe some of the ones that aren't as highly owned and who we're trying to attack? You know what? I've actually gone the other way, Hamzi. So I'll just talk through them today, but
00:50:26
Speaker
I've actually more looked at the value people because I feel like there might be a lot of coaches out there that haven't completed their teams. Can't afford to chase your Dawson types, warning, not looking for the million dollar targets. So I'll just look for a few value people, but I'll just give you two.
00:50:44
Speaker
at either ends of the spectrum. So a premium that I think is pretty attractive at the moment. And if I could have had my time again, I would have gone and traded the mean on Sunday like I was going to. But I just got thrown a bit by that Alice Springs game. And I looked back for the past few years and didn't sort of seem to be the ceiling there at Alice Springs. But anyway, Christian Pritaka,
00:51:09
Speaker
933,000. He has been carving it and you didn't even get a goal in the weekend, but he's still got a huge score. He is just in some ripping form and he's got a break even at 95. He's priced at 109, but if you want to pay up, I reckon he's a pretty good buy.
00:51:28
Speaker
And at the cheaper end of the spectrum, I know Dossie has been pumping these tyres for a few weeks now, but Ned Flanders, 531,000, he's just getting it done and watching him play on the weekend, he's just running around, looks fit, following the ball in the CBAs, he's going really, really well too, so break even at 22.
00:51:53
Speaker
Yeah, so that's sort of one of the top and one of the bottom. Now I've got a few guys in the middle who I will sort of talk through a bit more. Just before you do that, Hami, would you be a little bit worried this week knowing that you'd be trading into Flanders and they have Port Adelaide in Adelaide?
00:52:09
Speaker
But he's just got a great role. Because you have that when Took comes back? Yeah. Well, I don't know. It sounds like Dossi, he's on the podcast because that's exactly what he's been saying the whole time. I just feel like Took isn't really coming back in a hurry. And if he does, he's not going to be the Took that you're expecting. Yeah, I just reckon for a guy that's been out for so long and he had a bit of a clean up on that knee.
00:52:38
Speaker
Not sure about that. But the thing is, he could be dropped to the twos at any point in time with Stewie Joe. You wouldn't bloody know. That's why I wouldn't bring him in. His place in the 22 doesn't sort of seem to be secured, but he's carving. All right, so here we go. I've actually just got four, given that I blew a couple of players there to talk through. At four.
00:53:04
Speaker
You'll like this one, Holmsey. Luke Shuey, $658,000. Coming off the back of $200,000. Going to Brisbane. He's a good player. Injury risk is always there within break even of $39,000.
00:53:19
Speaker
If you want to move around with that Dunkley player to chase some cash, he's the sort of player you might go or write him. And then my number three pick is actually Hugh McCleage. So the boys talked about it earlier. There's $755,000.
00:53:38
Speaker
just down an enormous amount on his starting price because he's had that wing roll but he was really around the ball quite a bit on the weekend and yeah if Dunkley is out he's probably going to have a nice roll but I just reckon he's going to have a good finish to the season anyway because Brisbane don't have too bad a run.
00:53:56
Speaker
Number two, Harry Himmelberg, 606,000, cheap as, scored another 90-odd on the weekend, and I spoke about the Giants having a good run, Hawks this week, break even of 37, you're probably gonna make money on him even if he does bombs, so I quite like the look of Himmelberg, Ford and Defender, I think, too, isn't he, so, DPP.
00:54:23
Speaker
And number one, Callum Mills. I talked about it last week and I watched what he was doing. He only scored about 85. But he was right in the CBAs, didn't look restricted in any way. Chad Warner being out just is another tick in the box, I reckon. So Callum Mills, I'll be looking for in my trade in targets this week, I think. Yeah, well, I was actually someone that went early on in army. I was
00:54:51
Speaker
Took a bit of a punt, 85 is not ideal considering Sheldrick went 8 points better but yeah I think Callum Mills is definitely someone we're going to have to look at for the run home although he hasn't been getting it done so far this year. We know that those good savvy coaches tend to get in front of the pack and it looks like a genius move if you get on that week before everyone else does so I'd actually really rate that one from you, Hami.
00:55:12
Speaker
It's $330,000 down on his starting price. It's just crazy. And like when I looked at, I wrote down these players and I had a look at him and I was like, $653,000 for Callum Mills. It's just off the show. Like compare that, like Himmelberg's a good pickup, right? $606,000. Well, Mills is almost the same price as him.
00:55:34
Speaker
Yeah, and here was someone off the back of back-to-back 110 seasons, here was someone that we were all looking at at the start of the pre-season to see potentially as a top eight mid, so the fact that he's down 300k with Sydney really needing to perform to make a push for finals, I think it's pretty indicative of what he's going to do moving forward that full-time midfield role. So yeah, really like that. Nathan, do you have any others you'd like to add or do you think Hami's nailed it?
00:56:03
Speaker
Yeah, I was tossing up between the two being Himmelberg and Mills and whether or not I'd go one rather than the other, given that Himmelberg is much more likely to be top six, closest to top six in his line, I think, than Mills. But yeah, I think there is just such potential for Mills to go that 100 and I am going to watch the game and I love bringing in players that I'm about to watch. So that might be the, that might be the move, whether I go Himmelberg or Mills will be a game time call on Thursday.
00:56:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, very interesting. We know that Richmond give up points. So, yep, one for the Brave, but can't argue the value. All right, boys. Here we go. Just one more for the Brave. A good mate of mine last weekend brought in a North Melbourne player. Nathan, just appreciate your thoughts on this guy, LDU. What are your thoughts on LDU?
00:57:00
Speaker
Uh, he looked a step slow, to be honest. I think he's definitely coming in. And, uh, I hate to be, not the Dossie of the podcast, but I would be not recommending to bring him at all. He will get cheap and it could be someone later on if you're desperate for cash. But picking an LDU again so long is just asking for a bit of trouble there. That he's worrying signs for Dossie that did bring him in.
00:57:25
Speaker
Just on that, we're not touching a Jai Simpkin equal third in the CBA rotation on the weekend. I think Hami's touched on it as well, just with North Melbourne not being very competitive. I'm not sure we want to go on any of those players, although their run does open up in a couple of weeks once they get through Geelong.
00:57:42
Speaker
But to score well, you're going to need a lot of that uncontested possession at times and linking up for a few plus sixes and North have not shown any ability to link up for plus sixes. So they were able to do it a little bit at the start of the year, which is why LDU was actually doing quite well. But the second they started losing a bit more, it became just bombing a bit more down the line. And if Cherry is back this week, then they'll probably play the two rucks set up, in which case they're much more likely to bomb it down deep.
00:58:10
Speaker
Yeah, perfect. Thank you for that from a North Melbourne fan. All right, we'll get into some questions. I'm a North Melbourne fantasy producer and the only North Melbourne fantasy producer. Yeah, but before we get into the questions, just a reminder that we are brought to you by the Keepalig pod.
00:58:28
Speaker
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00:58:49
Speaker
The links won't be in the description below because Dossie's ghosted us this week, but yeah, go over to keepalegpod.com.au for all of those great resources. All right, sticking with you, Nathan, we'll just answer some of these questions before we go. You mentioned it off the top before, but are we worried about Dossie Cameron and is he someone that we should be looking to trade off knowing that we've got so many gun forwards?
00:59:13
Speaker
I think he'll go all right this week, but it's his next two weeks after that. Freo, then Port is a big concern to me, so I'd be getting off Dasty Cameron as soon as possible. Yeah, I think that flaw has been shown, and if there's a game where he is getting monster in the ruck a little bit and they put Cox in there, we just saw on the weekend that he's capable of putting up those sub-par score, so yeah, don't mind that. Hami, I'll throw this one to you, mainly because you brought in Jack Steele this week, but who goes first out of Will Day, Steele, or Dasty Cameron?
00:59:44
Speaker
Well, I'll Spade Steel, and I'll Spade Day, and I will trade Darcy Cameron, I think, in there. I just think that I like players that are around the ball, and I'm not quite sure if Cameron's going to be, so that's where I'd probably go. A man after man hut. No wonder you're rated just as highly as I am.
01:00:06
Speaker
Very good for me, Hami. There's a reason that you've been the bloke on the pod the most this year with that quick wit. I love that from you. Warnie, this is a bit of a two-part question, so I'll throw it to you. The first part, what are your thoughts on Vlostin as a smoky top six defender? Apparently, he's had good scores now since McWalt has come in, and we spoke before about Jaden Short being out. We know his numbers have actually been pretty good without Jaden Short in the past. You see someone, you could take a flyer.
01:00:34
Speaker
You could, those numbers. So just to recap those, 106 on the weekend looked really good against Brisbane. I think that was probably part of the game as well. Had 100 against the Saints, which might be expected because that's what the Saints do, give up points to the defenders. But a 117, a 99 before that. So those numbers are looking good. And I think at that price, that's the thing that you could have a bit of a crack at, the 773. So he's gone up a bit, obviously, off the back of those scores. But I think he can keep going more.
01:01:03
Speaker
trying to do the right thing by looking at cow scale of artists. They've got West Coast coming up. They've got Melbourne coming up that give up the points. And then even if you roll that through to later on, they get St Kilda again where he has had a ton. So I think it could be a play. Definitely could be a play. I don't think I would go there because, well, we all know who Nick Flostone is. He's not a fantasy name for me. And that's where probably is some of my worries when it comes to my
01:01:30
Speaker
picking of players, I've got to actually like them a little bit as a fantasy player a bit more than where I should actually study their numbers and go, oh, shit, he's actually all right. Isn't that what Jaden does in his spreadsheet? He doesn't put names to the stats and then only once the algorithms run, I guess, then the names come on at the end. Yeah, it's a smart thing. And that's the thing. We've all got our biases. But then, you know, there's a lot of biases that we have that we should
01:01:57
Speaker
We should probably still have because of players like the end of the day. Well, every man's got his price for an ever again list. That's why you still ended up in a lot of teams over the last few weeks. But it's a good way to be looking at it because I would assume those numbers would spit out a bit of that injury risk because of games played and stuff like that along the way as well.
01:02:20
Speaker
Bloody Elliott yo, hey, I'm sure he wouldn't have gone well against the Saints this week when they had six players turn up. That was a shocking. Yeah, fire up. We do have two unfortunate bomber supporters on the podcast, but I'll throw to you, Hami. Where do you see Darcy Parrish amongst the top eight mids as a bit of a point of difference?
Player Value Debates
01:02:42
Speaker
I don't see him as a top eight mid. Warning might correct me here, but Merritt's our best midfielder and there's a bit of competition around that midfield rotation. So like Dylan Shield even started as a sub, couldn't get a run on spot. So yeah, I just think the emergence of Hobbs and, you know, like Perkins isn't getting much of a run.
01:03:04
Speaker
I just don't think that, like with Parrish, he needs a high possession count to be able to get a high score, generally. So I just, I'm not convinced that he's going to get that to be close enough to the top eight. Yeah, there's no doubt, I think. Not much of a scorer in terms of goals normally, but zero goes four on the weekend against one of the toughest teams in the comp. Is there a bit of a role shift there or you just had one of those games where it fell his way?
01:03:33
Speaker
Yeah, that was just the game. He wasn't sort of starting in the forward line or anything like that. It's just that the ball fell off the back of the pack when he was there.
01:03:41
Speaker
I don't think there's any doubt in that role for him. That was part of the problem. Everyone just wanted to have a shot. Like we could have put it away heaps of times. Couldn't we? Wait a minute. He needs to spill in the Magoo's. I don't know if we want to turn this into a normal footy bomber talk podcast, but bloody hell. And it just wasn't their night though for Wait a minute or two metre Peter, but those, yeah.
01:04:05
Speaker
that really costs us the height and I can't believe even the the subbing decision as well like that should have that should have been one of those tools when that rain was pissing down that anyway um the only thing I was going to mention on Parrish is that like the role's not the issue for him obviously he's um the one or two banana of that midfield like it is um
01:04:25
Speaker
Merritt and Parrish and then it's the mix after that so I don't think that's a huge issue there but there are just the mouths to feed like there's only at the end of the day it's a bit like supercoach with your 3300 rule but there's only so many points that really can go around in that midfield and I can't see that Merritt's is dropping just the way he gets his scores as well and like you said with Parrish needing those disposals the disposals aren't going to be there high each week anyway for him so
01:04:50
Speaker
I do like him as an option, but I just don't think he's really, he's a massive punt to be that top eight, I think. Like it's one that could work out because he does have a ceiling, but I don't think he's got the ceiling when you've got blokes like Hobbs. Even he had still decent centre bounces. He was definitely over half of them. So, but he just is hungry. He's an awesome player to watch, especially for fantasy too, with how much he wants the pill.
01:05:18
Speaker
Yep. This one's for you, Nathan. If you had to pick one, are you going Crouch or Petrarcha? Crouch. I just think he's run. I'm a big advocate for looking at runs, particularly over the next three, four weeks. And I think if he keeps going this way, uh, he could be averaging 130 over those four weeks. So for that reason, definitely Crouch. Yeah, I think I'm Crouch too. And if you're in the top 50, looking for that push into the hat, I don't mind going Petrarcha.
01:05:48
Speaker
Yep, yep. Couldn't agree more. Warnie, I'll give this one to you, you prick, because I know you were actually advocating him last week and you've clearly ruined this coach's team. Cochin, do you jump off after we jumped on this way? Okay.
01:06:04
Speaker
Advocating is the wrong word for it. And don't you give me that. They're bloody homesy. Advocating. It was actually just a question. I just liked what his numbers were. And I thought, oh, is he worth having a look at there? But no, he's not. And you jump off. And if you're screwed with your cash because of it, of what you did, because the idea of him was the price of him. Flanders is just your answer, because you're probably getting caught in because he had that Ford status. So just go to Flanders. If you have no cash,
01:06:36
Speaker
Are you jumping off him before you jump off Hayden Young?
01:06:39
Speaker
No, I think I'd back in Hayden Young over Trent Cochin in your side. The other thing is, and this is another shit thing about rolling lockout as well, is going, you have to lock that into the first game as well. There's something in my head that I really don't like locking that move in with getting rid of Cochin there, but I think you just need to go, yep, that was a mistake. That was a, what would you call him? A Daniel Rich type mistake, I reckon, picking him up for one week.
01:07:09
Speaker
There's a no get rich, quick schemes. Are there any? No, you get, uh, I don't know. He's a, some sort of plan where we get your crotch kicked in or something like that. I don't know. Uh, J's and the last one we've got here, army, I'll throw it to you because I'm Kane for my team as well. Do we have to get off Briggs now after what he put up on the weekend? Yep.
01:07:31
Speaker
I'd be trying to move him on if I were you. I mean, he's at it. I don't know, is he still got a low break even or not? I think it's as high a price as you're going to get for him and it's too big a risk. Flynn was in an emergency the other day and I think if you can get off, it's probably a good idea too.
01:07:49
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's what I've been looking to do. Yeah. Yep. It's cash done. He's been fantastic for us. But yeah, I think now is the time to get up. Well, boys, thank you so much. We've put in over an hour's work, another Ripper pod before we get, um,
Podcast Community and Patreon Fun
01:08:04
Speaker
get going, Warnie, why don't you just give us a little bit of an insight into your Patreon that you started this year. I know I've been a member and the extra podcast, the Sunday night show was the one where you had the the chili on the weekend was quite a good laugh and the Wednesday pint cast. So where can our listeners find you and what do you have in store for the rest of the season and moving forward with the Patreon stuff?
01:08:27
Speaker
Yeah, so I guess the Patreon, so you can find it at patreon.com slash dttalk, I guess where that came from, or what it was, we, well, we work pretty hard on all the stuff that we do. And I feel we're really coming to the party with, you know, extra money and all that sort of stuff. So we thought we'd have a bit of a crack at trying to do something else because we, I guess we do put in a fair bit of time and even taking a bit of risk in our lives financially. We went back an extra day off work, off the real day job that pays us money and you don't have to be,
01:08:56
Speaker
you know, that gets put into your bank account every bloody fortnight and all that sort of stuff. So we had a bit of a crack with it. And we thought of, we had a lot of ideas over the years of stuff we'd like to do. And I think one of those is that Sunday night show, that little round finishes, let's get on and talk some shit, have a beer, bit of a rap of it.
01:09:13
Speaker
fairly loose and that's almost us going back to our old school ways of what we're doing before we sort of under the AFL banner to be able to have that beer and talk a bit more shit and drop a drop an f-bomb or two if you need to along the way and and all those little things like the uh yeah so they had that hot sauce which was bloody ridiculous but that's um
01:09:32
Speaker
that sort of stuff to have those little punishments and stuff that is what you'd play fantasy footy for. I think we all get wrapped up and obviously and it's a great thing because we've got a good community that you know achieving for success but one of the major reasons that we all play fantasy sport in general is for those relationships
01:09:48
Speaker
you have with people whether they are your mates or the people that you're meeting online and stuff like that and so I think that's what we've always probably been about right from day dot. We pretend we know what we're doing and we talk some advice and all that but I think that a lot of it is about the banter and the fun that you can have with your mates and hopefully
01:10:05
Speaker
what we are in a lot of people's ears with the podcast, whether that's our little midweek podcast or the Sunday night type thing, and then even just our AFL stuff as well. We're just an extension of your mates or just we're just those blokes at the bar that you could rock up to and have a bit of a chat with and know that. I think that's always what's been a really fun part of our whole journey as such is that
01:10:27
Speaker
We feel, everyone feels like they know us because of what we do and I think that's what a good podcast is. You enjoy what you're listening to and you just feel like, yep, I'm the people that I like and that's, you can, with a love or hate, that can be some of it as well but it's all part of the banter and all the fun. I think that's what we've tried to do and that's what the Patreon's been all about and it's allowing us to do a little bit more which is fun. As much as I do get sick of seeing Calvin, it's
01:10:54
Speaker
He's still alright, Blake, and we get on over a beer. I was going to say, you mentioned there the mates versus the people that you meet online. Which bucket does Calvin fall into after he met with that horse? Yeah, he's a bad bloke. He's actually made me do much worse things than that in my life, so I'm probably lucky that we're all plus 40 year old blokes these days, and we're not doing some of the shit that we did when we were at uni 20 odd years ago.
01:11:21
Speaker
I watched that and then I had to go get a glass of milk. I was feeling secondhand. Yeah. And you put too much on there. That's the thing. Like we had a little taste of it the week before and it was the tiniest amount and it just stung. Like it actually felt like something, like you had like a little heated up little skewer or something on your tongue and you just felt it burning and it sat there and it lingered. Even felt like it swelled up because it was like that.
01:11:46
Speaker
Anyway, I think I washed a lot of it down because I did chase it pretty quickly with that, but still sat there in my mouth and could feel it all night. I, yeah, I didn't, Calvin Reckoning shat really badly the next day after his little taste, but I haven't had that because it would probably be a bit of a ring stinger, I reckon, on the way through.
01:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. He's got more body issues than most people going around. I think he does put a lot of bad stuff in there. So he would have been fine doing that hot sauce because it's probably on the list of the things he put into his body last week. It would have only ranked in the top 20, not so much even top 10.
Closing Remarks and Future Hopes
01:12:24
Speaker
Perfect. And where can listeners find you, Nathan, other than being in the fraternity in the United States?
01:12:33
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say you can find me for the last couple of weeks on an hatchet. Pod this week's pretty good, but to be honest, after this week I wouldn't bother. They're probably not gonna do trade-off spade while I'm gone. So, you know, I'd rather listen to Pod Pod. They give trade-off spade the respect it deserves.
01:12:48
Speaker
Yeah, awesome. Thanks, boys. Really appreciate you guys coming on to help us out with a few of our regulars off, and good luck for the rest of the season morning. I know you're counting down the last eight rounds like I am and are looking forward to a bit of a break in and pushing into 2024, but good luck, guys, and we'll see you soon. Thanks for having us. Thanks, mate.