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Dr. Rob Gilbert
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Dr. Rob Gilbert is a leading expert on peak performance. As a professor at Montclair State University (NJ) for the last 34 years, he has researched the mental secrets of the world's greatest athletes, winningest coaches, highest-earning salespeople and top students. He has spoken to such groups as the United States Military Academy, Johnson & Johnson, Brown University and Madison Square Garden, and given hundreds of radio and TV interviews.
He is also the former editor of Bits & Pieces magazine. And he has authored a number of books including ‘Read This Book Tonight To Help You Win Tomorrow: Get Mentally Primed to Perform Your Best’.
However, much of his fame surrounds his daily Success Hotline which he has made available to anyone who can dial a phone number. Today is message 12,063. Do the math. That is over 33 years and he has never missed a day.
Affectionately know as Doc to all who have taken his class- I welcome him today!
Success Hotline: 973.743.4690 or just look up the Success Hotline Podcast.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Themes
00:00:37
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Welcome to Russell Jones Speaks, where we explore big issues that matter to parents, grandparents, and kids. We tackle intergenerational issues. Everything that affects parents, grands, and children is on the table. That includes health and fitness, relationships, attitude, family unity, vision, adversity, God, and anything else that might arise. The goal is for you to take away something that you can use in your life immediately.
Meet Dr. Rob Gilbert
00:01:04
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Dr. Rob Gilbert is a leading expert on peak performance. As a professor at Montclair State University in New Jersey for the last 34 years, he has researched the mental secrets of the world's greatest athletes, winning as coaches, highest earning salespeople, and top students.
00:01:20
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He has spoken to such groups as the United States Military Academy, Johnson & Johnson, Brown University, and Madison Square Garden, and given hundreds of radio and TV interviews. He's also the former editor of Bits and Pieces magazine, and he has authored a number of books, including Read This Book Tonight to Help You Win Tomorrow, Get Mentally Primed to Perform Your Best.
00:01:41
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However, much of his fame surrounds his daily success hotline, which he has made available to anyone who can dial a phone number. Today, his message number 12,063, do the math. That is over 33 years and he has never missed a day. Effectually known as Doc, to all who have taken his class, I welcome him today. Hey, Doc.
Consistency and Achievement
00:02:04
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I don't know why anybody would want to listen to this when you interviewed Helene Neville.
00:02:09
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You know, there's some really good stuff that I know is going to come out of your podcast with her. That sounds unbelievable. Yes, it is. And I mean, okay, I've done a message every day for 33 years. She runs two marathons in a day. How many days in the road did she run a marathon?
00:02:33
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93 days. Yeah. So I've been a message for 33 years. I mean, they don't add up.
00:02:40
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Yeah, but the number of lives you have touched is up there as well as the one she's touched. And nobody's story is finished yet, so we'll see. That's right. Well, you could never tell. I might be two marathons in a day. Maybe. Two marathon interviews. And you left out the fact that I was one of your college professors. I was getting to that. That was going to be the surprise. Oh, OK. Anyway.
00:03:09
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Before we get into all the amazing things you've uncovered over the years and that can instantly change one's life for the better, I want to get some history.
Educational Journey
00:03:18
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Doc, everybody can hear your accent, especially after you go back up north to visit family. Tell us about growing up in Massachusetts, give us some family, neighborhood, school, that sort of stuff. Well, I grew up, I went to this school, Boston Latin School. The oldest school in the country was started in 1635.
00:03:38
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And people always say, oh, no, no, no. Harvard's the oldest school. Well, Harvard sat in 1636 to take care of the graduates of Boston Latin. So I was incredibly successful at Boston Latin School. They told me to leave the school. Imagine that. Imagine a public school. And they called my parents and they said, you know, this school's a little, but I didn't leave. And I graduated number 300 out of 322.
00:04:03
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And then I went to the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. I failed 10 courses. I flunked out. Now here's the amazing thing. The school I flunked out of is a school I got a PhD from.
00:04:15
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The school I flunked out of was a school I got a PhD from. And about 10 years ago, I was nominated as the Outstanding Alumnus. I guess I forgot I flunked out. Now, I am not telling you these things to discredit myself. You're saying, why do I want to listen to this loser? I'm telling you these things because I knew that I wasn't dumb or stupid.
00:04:36
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A lot of people told me I was, I just knew I was lazy. And I would say that everybody, the only problem is laziness, you know? I tell my students every single day, college success has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with diligence. Everything to do with diligence.
00:04:54
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So, Helene, I can't wait to delve into Helene Neville. I mean, she has a diligent mindset. She's going to do it until, you know, she is just not going to quit. And how many students do you think I have like that? Not too many. You know, not too many.
00:05:10
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So I guarantee that if you listen to Russell and I, as long as you're on, I guarantee that you're going to get at least one big idea that could change your life. But I could also guarantee that if you don't put this idea into action within the next 24 or 48 hours, you never will. You say, oh, I'm going to do that. I'm going to make that phone call. I'm going to listen to Helene's podcast. If you don't do it in 24 to 48 hours, you probably never ever will. That's just how the mind works.
00:05:39
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Russell and I are in the business of changing lives. I mean, that's a whole thing. So let's see, what else was I unsuccessful at? Well, I want to hear about your sports career. Well, I tried out for the Olympic team in wrestling, and I was the first person in the whole country cut from the team. But I tried out for it.
00:06:05
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You know, the thing is I wasn't that successful at anything, but like wrestling, I wasn't good at wrestling, but I loved wrestling. I was a really, really good coach at wrestling, much better than a wrestler. And you know, so my boyhood hero was Ted Williams. And Ted Williams arguably is the greatest hitter of all time. And Ted Williams once said, he said, all I wanted out of life is I wanted to walk down the street
00:06:33
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and people would say Big O is the greatest hitter who ever lived. And I just wanted to be the greatest teacher and the greatest speaker who ever lived. I mean, I'm not, but that's a pretty good goal. And so all my energies is, you know, why am I so fascinated with Helene? So I could steal her story and tell it to my hotline callers, you know, to inspire them. So that's what I've gone through my whole life, just studying successful people and figuring out what their strategies were.
Attitudes Towards Challenges
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in white count. So let me tell you my whole framework. So I don't have PowerPoint, but you tell me if you agree with this, Russell. I think people fall into one of four categories and the four categories are, is that readable? So there are three percenters
00:07:25
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27 percenters, 60 percenters, and 10 percenters. So you look at it like this. Like 3 percent of the population, they're the explorers. Those are the people that go to the North Pole. Those are the first people that went up Everest, you know?
00:07:40
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Then 27% of the people, the pioneers, after the explorers went out there and discovered it, then the pioneers who are very courageous because it was still really, really dangerous, they go out. And then after the explorers discovered it and after the pioneers made it safe, then 60% of the settlers, they go in and when it's really safe. There are no lions and tigers and bears. And 10% of the people are the people who never leave home.
00:08:08
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Another way of interpreting it, 3% of the people will do whatever it takes. Like Colleen, she'll do whatever it takes. 20% of the people are really good people. They'll do more than expected. Like I always tell the story about one of my former students in Montclair State, Melissa Sapio. She's the only student I know that graduated from Montclair State with a perfect 4.0 average. She took 44 courses and she got 44 A's. She never got an A-.
00:08:36
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So she still speaks in my classes. And when she speaks in my classes, after I give her an introduction, a nice introduction about 44 A's, 44 classes, all that, she starts by talking to them and she said, look, I know you think I'm smarter than you. I am no smarter than you. I might work harder. I might care more, but I'm no smarter. And I'll tell you exactly how I did what I did. No matter what my professor asked me to do, I did more than expected.
00:09:02
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So if a math professor said do problems one, three, and five, Melissa would do one, two, three, four, and five. If a history professor said the assignment for next time is to do chapters one and two, Melissa would read one, two, and maybe part of three. She didn't do a whole lot more than expected. So 3% of the whatever takes people, 27% of the more than expected people, 60%
00:09:25
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Are there, okay, if class starts at 1045, I'll be there at 1044. If class ends at 1215, I'm out of there immediately. They won't do any more than expected.
Opportunities and Potential
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If the boss wants them to come in on Saturday, there's no way that when I'm coming on Saturday, and 10% of the people will never leave home.
00:09:47
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probably the student I had at Montclair State that I thought had the most potential was a kid on the basketball team. And he was a standup comedian, but just off the top. I mean, he could, he could, I used to start class, but I said, okay, just riff for five or 10 minutes. And he would get up and he'd talk about anything. So I said, look, you got to start going to comedy classes on Monday night. And a lot of comedy clubs on Monday night, um, they have,
00:10:14
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they have comedy classes for upcoming comedians. He said, no, I can't afford it. I said, I'll pay for it. I'll pay for it. And then he said, I don't go to New York City. I said, what do you mean you don't go to New York City? You live in Jersey City. How could you not? He said, I just have never gone to New York. So I mean, he could have, he should have, but he didn't, you know? Oh, let me tell you another story. Do you know Big Mike, Mike Spence?
00:10:38
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I don't think so. Oh, you have to have him on. You have to have him on. My expense. He might be the best motivational speaker in the country. So anyway, poor kid, single mom in the 10th grade, he's 6'6". He's a basketball player. And they get him into St. Anthony's with Bobby Hurley.
00:10:57
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So, you know, if you go to St. Anthony's in Jersey City and Bobby Hurley, who's retired now, is probably the best high school basketball coach ever in America. So even the 12th guy on his team, Hurley's high school team, would get a D1 scholarship. So Mike has this unbelievable opportunity to play for the great Bobby Hurley or the great Bob Hurley.
00:11:21
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And I think the second week of school, after they read them the riot act, saying, you know, you're one and done. You screw up here, you're out of here. We don't give second chance. For some reason, he and his friends are in the chemistry lab. Now, do you remember chemistry lab? There used to be something hung down from the ceiling. It was like a round thing. And if you pulled it, the water would come down in case there was a flood. Yeah. So for some reason, Mike thought it would be funny because one of his friends was bending over to pull it. Now, what he didn't expect is it got stuck.
00:11:52
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So there was a flood. He gets thrown out of the school immediately. His mother goes to coach early and begs. And he said, no way. One and done, you know. Wow. Now, Mike went on to being successful at all that. But I mean, at that time, imagine, yeah, screwing up that way.
00:12:14
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So, so the, the, what Russell and I want to do today is whether you're 10% or a 60% or 27% or we want you to get into the 3%.
Inspiring Change
00:12:24
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That's it. Whether you're in sales or whether you're in school or whether you're in sports. See, that's what's fun. The fun thing is not that we're giving a talk. The fun thing is our goal is to make a difference in your life. And that's what this is all about. Always. Yep. I agree. So, um, I'd so,
00:12:42
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Somehow you end up in New Jersey and my sister Carol... Well, not somehow. No, not somehow. Well, let me tell you. See, I'm the beginning of the baby boom generation. I was born in 1947. So the baby boom generation is sort of like, you ever see these pictures of snakes and you have the snake
00:13:10
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and the snake looks something like this. I think I need a better pen. Hold on for a second. All right. During this brief intermission, Dr. Gilbert is locating a pen, a better pen. Okay, so the pen, the snake looks something like this. Is that better?
00:13:38
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And then the snake eats a bunny rabbit and with like a python or something, you could see the bunny rabbit being digested. So my class, 1947, we were like,
00:13:55
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the bulge, all of a sudden there was this huge increase in kids going to college. It's a huge increase in kids. You know, it's because the fathers just got back from the war, you know? So anyway, my school, Boston Latin, which had a great reputation, basically anybody from Boston Latin that graduated and gone into UMass for years, not my year, because there was this huge, huge influx of applications
00:14:25
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So, you know, every, this school was totally college oriented. Every week teachers would say, what school is he getting to? What school is him? We used to send more kids to Harvard than any other school in the country. So anyway, it became very obvious that kids weren't getting into Harvard and UMass the way they used to from Boston Latin. So I'm filling out my application
Creative Problem Solving
00:14:50
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late, of course. And then I say, look it,
00:14:54
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The kids who are in the top 100 aren't getting in. What chance do I have? So what I did, and I got into school at UMass, and you know what I did? So it's an inner city school. It's right in downtown Boston. I applied to the School of Agriculture.
00:15:16
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Everybody applied to the School of Engineering, Liberal Arts, Business. Nobody applied or education. Nobody. And I got in because I did something different. I applied to the School of Agriculture. And when I went to orientation, what did I do? I switched to Liberal Arts. I became a psych major, you know? So what I'm saying is there's always a way. I'm reading a book. I'm doing research on a guy named Titanic Thompson.
00:15:43
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And I'd like to listen to this. I mean, just get on watch some videos. This guy was the world's or United States's greatest gambler.
00:15:53
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But he always had a surer thing. He never gambled unless he knew the outcome. So when he said, I'm going to hit a golf ball 500 yards, he knew he could get a golf ball 500 yards, even though Tiger Woods never hit a golf ball 500 yards. And he didn't hit the golf ball 500 yards, and he made a whole lot of money. So read about Titanic Thompson.
00:16:15
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So I go to UMass, and I was very, very unsuccessful at UMass. And then I just meet one person. One day, I flunk out of school, and they say, look, you have three semesters left to get your grades up just so you could graduate. Back then, you needed a 1.8 to graduate. So I took
00:16:35
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Every easy course I could, I was a psych major. So I took my psych requirements and I took introduction to health, introductory to recreation, hotel and restaurant management, music appreciation, odd appreciation, and I took introduction to physical education. And one day the professor talked about sports psychology. He never talked about before. He never talked about it since. And for the only time in my whole college career, my mind went on fire. I said, this is what I want to learn.
00:17:03
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This is what I really, really, really want to learn. So I tell my students this story and I said, what would I be doing now if I cut class that day? The only day he talked about sports psychology and I'm saying, you know, there's a court I really like. It only takes one key to unlock the kingdom. And, you know, sometimes one thing, one person, you know, one book, one seminar, one podcast, that's the exciting thing. But you never know what's going to happen. You never, you know, like,
00:17:33
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When, you know when your story and my story began? Your story and my story began in about 1977 when I read a little article in Sports Illustrated about the mighty Adam. There was a little article about the mighty Adam. And then I come to New York City and there was a big book festival and Viking Books had a book they were just coming out about the mighty Adam.
00:18:02
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And then from that, Dennis, you and all that. So it all started before I even knew you, you know, so it's really fun that you just never, ever, ever know. So I just hope, in hope is an interesting word, H-O-P-E, hold on possibilities exist. And whatever your hopes and dreams are,
00:18:24
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I could guarantee that if you follow some advice, you can make them come true, not because you're so great, because the competition isn't. Most people are really not going for it. Most people go to school, but they're not students. Most people play a sport, but they're not athletes. Most people practice an instrument, but they're not musicians. Kurt Vonnegut, the great novelist, once said, hundreds of thousands of people
00:18:52
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have the talent to become big time writers, but very few of them are willing to live the life of a writer. So they have the talent, but are you willing to live the life of a Dan Gable? And now- Oh yeah, it's good. Well, how we doing? Is the podcast going okay? Yeah, it's good. I was just going back to taking your course before,
00:19:18
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I'm guessing that was the summer of 1979, if I recall correctly. My sister had talked about you. She had taken a course with you, I believe, before that, or maybe a couple. But I just remember your grading philosophy. Well, before that, let's talk about your sister for a second, because your sister was interested in going to graduate school in exercise science.
00:19:43
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And I told her about the program and the exercise at UMass was the first one I think in the world and one of the best ones in the world. And back, I just graduated and they knew me. So I was, I was credible. I just made one phone call and got into that program. Of course she had to apply, but you know, when they said, well, if you, you know, if you certify her, we'll take her. And she did really, really great.
00:20:12
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And I tell my students- That was a big deal going, you know, just traveling that distance. I mean, today, you know, literally the world has gotten somewhat smaller, but from a girl from Seacock, New Jersey, you know, going up to Massachusetts and, you know, it was only pay phones back then, you know, for communication. That's right. That's right. Yeah, that was a big deal. But yeah, she's had a great career. I mean, she's, I think she just retired, but she's had a great career in exercise physiology.
00:20:39
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But this goes back to only takes one key to unlock the kingdom. I tell my students, what do you want? I want to get an MBA from the University of Michigan. Have you spoken to any professors? Your professor might have gone to graduate school with a guy that runs the MBA program at the University of Michigan. You just never know. I'm not saying this is a huge mountain to climb. This is what makes it fun. You just never know who knows who. Yeah, connecting, connecting, connecting.
00:21:09
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Well, that was, yeah, so before we jump ahead, though, I just wanted to get that grading philosophy. I was reminded of it in a book you co-wrote. Thank God you're lazy. And you recounted about that story, about how you challenge your students.
00:21:32
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It always affected me thinking about it in that your goal was that the student would learn, that they would gain knowledge, and you'd give them every opportunity to do that. And I understand the practicality of teachers having to have a deadline and everything else because you're moving on. But that was, just tell us briefly about how that came about and some of the results of that.
00:22:02
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Everything about me since 1979 has changed as a teacher, except one thing. I still give my exams the exact same way when you were one of my students. So when I was in graduate school at UMass, you had to have what's called a cognate area, like a minor in graduate school. And mine was physiological psychology. It's basically neurology, the nervous system, which is probably the most complex thing in the universe. So I had a Dr. Carlson,
00:22:31
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And Dr. Carlson, about a week or two before the exam, had given us all the questions. And all the questions, it was define, describe, and give the significance of it. The mitochondria, define it, describe the mitochondria, and what's the significance of mitochondria? So the night before the test, I knew what I was getting on the test. I knew. And that motivated me. Because if there were 100 questions, and I knew 60, OK, I have 40 left.
00:22:59
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So I've always been giving my exams that way. But I go above Dr. Carlson. I give my students the questions. I give them the answers. The day after they take the test, I give them the grades. And I give them a chance to retake it as many times as they want. So I don't call my final exams final exams. I call them laziness demonstrations.
00:23:20
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You know, prove to be how lazy you are. If I'm going to give you the questions, give me the answers, give me your grade, and give you a chance to take the test as many times you want, there's only one reason you won't get less than an A, and that's if you're lazy. So over the years, I said, okay, this exam is either a laziness demonstration or a mastery demonstration. Are you going to do more than expected? Are you going to do whatever it takes? Or are you going to be lazy? It's up to you.
00:23:44
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And of course on the same exam, um, like since COVID I've been giving take home exams on the same exam, some person could write six pages and another person could write 56 pages, the exact same exam. So they're just telling me how much they want it. Right. So, okay. And what, but in, in the, uh, in the one book you referenced, I mean, there's a lot of kids that never,
00:24:10
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never go for the A, even with the opportunity to do it. I love kids. I'll email. I'll email it. I said, you got to be on the exam. Do you want to retake it? No, I'm fine. You got to see. No, I'm graduated. I'm fine. And if they're fine, I'm fine. All right. So success hotline. I know everybody talks about
Success Hotline Origins
00:24:34
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it. I know it's been written about. It's been listened to.
00:24:38
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Just give everybody, because I know some of my listeners have not heard of it. Just give us a little bit about the beginning of it. I'm sure that you've set records and stuff already by doing it, but just talk about that. I know it's followed. I know you've gone from making a phone call. Now people could listen to it on a podcast, but just give me some success hotline history.
00:25:06
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Well, let's talk about some of the regrets you have in your life. And one of the big regrets you have is you should have been a wrestler, not a basketball player.
00:25:16
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You know that, you know, look at your arms, look at your shoulders. You were born to be a wrestler. And, you know, that's like, that's like Michael Jordan goes out for the hockey team. What are you thinking, Michael? So anyway, the thing that Russell, Russell and I have in common is his son was a really, really good wrestler and I was a former wrestler and a wrestling coach.
00:25:36
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And, you know, I was a maniac wrestling coach. I mean, I had my own wrestling mats where I lived. I mean, we worked out all year round. And, um, then I come to Montclair state and my graduate classes, I see them once a week, like Monday from six 30 to nine. And I say, wait a second. We used to work out twice on Sundays. And now I see these people once a week.
00:26:04
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So I have this idea, how could I be with my students every day, even though I see them once a week? And I said, and this is before all the cell phone stuff, as you said. So I said, okay, I'm going to get one of these old fashioned recorder, you know, voice recording answering machines. Remember with the cassette tapes. Oh yeah. Yeah. For people don't know, this is what a cassette tape looks like. See that? Tapes. History lessons.
00:26:34
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And, uh, Oh, we'll give you the whole thing. This is called the cassette tape recorder. Okay. You see that? Oh, yes, sir. So, um, I start putting three minutes, huh? Anyway, um, I said, okay, what I'm going to do for my students is every day for the next 14 weeks, the semester is usually 14 weeks. I'm going to leave a three minute recording and they have to call every day for, you know, I would just do it for 98 days.
00:27:02
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So the 98 principles or 98 secrets of sports psychology. So I did it. And by the time the 14 weeks was under, uh, I had people from all over calling all the time. I had so many people calling that I never stopped doing it. So that's how it started. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, so what,
00:27:23
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Is this going to be, so you're just setting the bar totally high for all these young people that are posting every day on social media. They're so far behind your dedication and your longevity in this. But the quality of the material that you put out.
00:27:45
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I've heard that you never have done the same one twice. Is that true? Because I can't, after 12,000, I can't exactly say. I mean, well, of course, I never won. Well, many, many years ago, I won't mention his name, but there's a very, very famous writer, a business writer. And he hired me because he wanted to start doing his own business hotline. So after a couple of weeks, he's doing pretty well. He said, I can't do this anymore.
00:28:15
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I said, why not? He said, I have to write like 500 words for every message. And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, I write out the message. I said, who writes out the message? Write out the message. I don't write out the message. I just have a few ideas that I might jot down. So I mean, I don't write out the message. I've never had the exact same message, but I've told the exact same story many times.
Intention vs. Execution
00:28:41
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So let me tell you the story I've told the most over the years.
00:28:44
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It's a riddle. There are three frogs sitting on a log, and one frog decided to jump off the log. How many frogs are left on the log? But it's not a math problem. It's a riddle. But most people see it as a math problem. So there are three frogs sitting on a log. One frog decided to jump off the log. How many frogs are left on the log? So I've told this enough times to know what my students are gonna say. They're gonna say, oh, that's easy. Three minus one equals two.
00:29:11
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I said, yeah, if you look at it mathematically, it's correct, but this is a riddle. This is a motivational riddle. The answer is three, because just because the frog decided doesn't mean it did it. We decide to go to the gym, then guess what? We never go to the gym. We decide to study, but we never study. And that's why Russell and I said, if you don't put this stuff into use within 24 to 48 hours, you probably never will, because of your decision.
00:29:40
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Um, I met a very, very famous sports writer and I don't know if he wants me to retell this story, so I won't say his name, but he was single and he works for a New York newspaper. And, um, you know, he wants the, he wants to get married. He wants to find a relationship and he's been very unsuccessful, but he told me he had a new strategy.
00:30:05
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He said, when he sees an attractive woman, he talks himself out of it. He said, oh, she'd never, oh, I'm too old, I'm too young. So his new strategy is, after he sees an attractive woman, he has to approach her within three seconds. Within three seconds, because if he waits longer than three seconds, the little voice in his mind will kick in. I know there's a very famous high school football coach, Coach Perry, in Nixon, Missouri.
00:30:32
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And he wants his kids to get to practice in the summer at six in the morning. So he said, you have 18 seconds from when your alarm goes off in the morning, you have 18 seconds to get out of bed, get in the shower and get dressed. So by the time your alarm goes off, you better be in the shower in 18 seconds. So I like, I like those little strategies. Sure. Oh yeah. So, um, all right. So,
00:30:58
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We get to know each other a bit over the years, stayed in touch. And then I have this little girl, my daughter. And she had some struggles with school when she was a kid. They wanted to put her in special classes and things like that. And we had to make some adjustments and things. And some were along the way, you met her.
00:31:25
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Then the next thing we know, there's a 12 year old little girl addressing one of your graduate classes on the topic of success. And it made all the local newspapers and everything else. And it really, it added a level of confidence into that little girl's life. She was great. Yeah. And, um,
00:31:51
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But you're willing to take something like that, a youngster like that, and use her limited life experience to have your graduate students really consider where they're going next when they're working with young people. What was the strategy there? Well, the strategy, especially for your daughter who didn't do it too poorly, she went to Newark Academy, didn't she?
00:32:20
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Well, yeah, she did ultimately. Yeah. That's one of the top prep schools in the world. So anyway, my strategy for my students is I want to give them an SCE. SCE stands for a significant emotional event.
00:32:39
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And I think that's what happened to your daughter. All of a sudden, she's saying, well, I'm talking to these people who are old enough to be my teachers and my coaches. Maybe I'm better than I think I am. So when you get people, like, let me give you an example. I have a former colleague at Montclair State, and I always knew he was going to be
00:33:02
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a president of a college. And he isn't, but he's working his way up towards it. And he said to me the other day, he said, you know, there were only two people that ever believed that I would become president. He said, me, meaning me. And he said, and the president of my college when I was in college, he said, I was a big guy on campus. I was on the football team. I was president of senior class. I was da, da, da, da, da. He was everything, you know? And he knew the president. So right before graduation, the president calls him to his office.
00:33:31
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And of course, a president sitting behind the desk and my friends sitting on the other side of the desk. And after the cordially talking, the president said, let's switch places. So the president sits in his chair. He sits in the president's chair. He said, how does it feel sitting there? He said, whoa, how much did this chair cost? He said, no, no, I'm not talking about the chair. How does it feel sitting in the president's chair? He said, it feels good. He said, you're going to be sitting in that chair one day.
00:33:59
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And so that was, I mean, all of a sudden he said, Oh my God, the president thinks I could become a president. You know? So usually in education, kids are reminded of what they can't do. When we give them significant emotional experience, we remind them, what's the possibility? What can happen? So that's what's fun about teaching because every once in a while it works out.
00:34:25
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Yeah, it's good. And before we get off my daughter, I just have to retell this story. A couple of years after that, maybe one or two years after she got to address your class, she had taken up basketball when she was in fifth grade and you had heard about it and you offered her some shooting challenges.
00:34:50
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And one day we happened to visit Dr. Gilbert at Montclair State University and my daughter was with me and we came in, you were in between classes and she had been working on this foul shooting thing where she was shooting with her eyes closed.
00:35:07
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And she always had a basketball with her. She had grown up following the Pete Maravich theory of always having a ball with her everywhere. I have pictures of her sleeping with a basketball. But this one day, she didn't have the ball with her. And Dr. Gilbert, of course, comes out and says, hey, I have another professor here. And I'd like to challenge you to making five shots in a row. And there was going to be a prize for that.
00:35:33
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And we had to find an old basketball in the gym that was underinflated and it was a boy's basketball, not a woman's ball. And so Dr. Gilbert and the professor are there standing kind of off from the foul line and they're talking and my daughter takes a shot and makes it and takes a second shot.
00:35:54
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And in between shots, Dr. Gilbert keeps talking louder and louder to the professor and moving closer and closer to my daughter because he didn't want to lose the bet. And the next thing it comes down to the final shot. And Doc is almost standing like in the middle of the foul line with my daughter, with the professor. My daughter takes a shot and the ball swirls around the rim and falls in. Tell us about the expression. I wish I had a camera that day, Doc.
00:36:25
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It was amazing. And you started around that. I mean, that was, you know, I think you had said something at Michael Jordan shot a foul shot with his eyes closed. And so that was, that was just a great, great experience, always encouraging everybody around you, Doc. I appreciate that. So next thing I go to, that's another example of
00:36:53
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That's another example, only take one key to unlock the kingdom. I mean, that one experience might have had a, you know, a really, really good effect on her. Yeah, for sure.
00:37:05
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And then I came to you not too many years later, wanting to be into public speaking. I had had a big experience in the strong man world, very minimal. And I had followed your advice that you give everybody. I remember back in the day that if you wanted to learn something, go to the people that have done it.
00:37:30
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I remember making a phone call to arguably the strongest man that ever lived, Paul Anderson, and finally getting through to talk to him. Actually, I have that conversation on a cassette tape like you were holding up before.
00:37:45
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And so, uh, I came to you to put my talk together. Like I was, uh, you know, where does this go? How do I structure it and everything else? And you said you would, you would take me on as a, as a client and you gave me a dollar amount. I forget how many it was in the hundreds. I know that I had a, I wrote a checkout.
00:38:06
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and you put the check up on your refrigerator and you said, well, you know, it was a, it was a back and forth. He said, when you earn enough money, you know, from your speaking engagements, I'll cash the check. Right. And I remember after, you know, going through that whole process, getting to talk together, starting out speaking at, you know, uh, summer camps and then schools and then adults, and then,
00:38:30
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businesses and everything else over the years. Then I remember I happened to visit you and the check was still on your refrigerator. You never cashed it. That was a tremendous strategy. Yeah. Well, it worked.
00:38:49
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It was a tremendous speaker. It was a, it was great, but just ideas, you know, that came out. And then you also introduced me to, and I don't even know how you knew about it. I know you were talking about the mighty Adam before, but you greatly encouraged me to go. There was an event being held at the old downtown athletic club in New York city, the home of the Heisman trophy. And
00:39:10
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in circles that I had never traveled in, and you said, you know, get a ticket and go to this. And I went by myself, I think. Maybe I took, no, I think I had Lynn with me. And we went to this event, a bunch of these old timers, most of them I didn't know, but it was the Association of Old-Time Barbell and Strongmen. And it opened up a whole different world.
00:39:33
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of physical culture, but it was also the mental mindset of those people. And that was when I met my mentor, Dennis Rogers. Actually, Dennis is behind me back there.
00:39:46
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And, you know, obviously we had Dennis come over and visit with you at Montclair State. And then subsequently, you know, you came up to the house up in, up to our house up in Morris County and Dennis was there. What's, like, give me your, like, how do you see Dennis Rodgers in just, you know, going from what he came out of to where he, you know, what he accomplished, the things he did?
00:40:17
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going back to Helene and going back to the old times, Barbell and Strongman, the thing they have in common is the 3% whatever it takes. Because we met guys like Slim, and when they were doing a strength feat,
00:40:32
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They would rather break a bone than quit doing it. They would just go through it. I mean, if Helene broke her leg, she'd probably still finish the marathon. And it's a mindset that you don't find too much. Like, I'm going to do whatever it takes.
00:40:48
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So Dennis, way back when, when it was Regis and Kathy Lee, and I'm sure you and I, the only, so Dennis used to be on Regis and Kathy Lee every once in a while. And we worked it out that he'd come to my night class the day before he was on. And, you know, Dennis is the greatest strongman he ever, ever lived in. If you look at the picture right over Russell's right shoulder, Dennis is not, you know, some of these strongmen, like how big was Paul Anderson?
00:41:15
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Oh yeah, 360 pounds, five foot nine, 360. And how big is Dennis Rogers? In his prime, Dennis was five foot 10. I would guess around one, between 150 and 160. Just listen, you've done a podcast with Dennis? No, yeah, he's on the list. He doesn't do podcasts, but he said he'll do one with me.
00:41:42
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Good. Well, just the strongest man. He's he out Samson Samson. So he used to come to my classes when I could afford him. And, you know, he'd do what everybody else would do.
00:41:54
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He'd rip, well, he wanted to just rip a deck of cards. He'd take a deck of cards, still in the box, still with a cellophane, duct tape it one way, duct tape it the other. They take these oven gloves and rip it. I mean, you're just unbelievable. But the thing I liked about Dennis is, you know, he's the real deal. There are ways to fake these strongman things, not Dennis. So you didn't know
00:42:21
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the hot water bottle. You didn't know if you were going to get an easy one or a tough one. You didn't know the wrench would. You just didn't know. Every once in a while, dentists would get some resistance. The steel wouldn't budge. The hot water bottle wouldn't burst. And that's why I brought dentists to my class, because all of a sudden, you could see the dentist got turned on by the difficulty. And I think this is the greatest lesson I ever learned in my life. And I think it's the ultimate psychological skill
00:42:50
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to be turned on by difficulty. Most people would say, well, the same thing with you at the old time, Bob Dylan Strongville. I don't know what you had. You had some pneumonia. What did you have? I mean, you could barely breathe.
00:43:06
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Yeah, you're in front of the strongest men in the country or the world, and you have to blow up a hot water bottle. And you did it. And so basically, we're all going to have problems. Are you going to get turned on or turned off? Are you going to get frustrated or fascinated? You know, the story about Dennis and the story about Russell, I mean, OK, you're the 16th seed in wrestling, and you're going to get the number one seed. Get turned on by it. I can guarantee, if you have a kid,
00:43:34
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They're gone by difficult math problems. He's going to win the Nobel Prize in math, you know, because everybody, the teacher gives an assignment. Oh, no. Well, what about the kid? Okay. You know, I want to, you know, so we're talking about Helene Neville and everybody's saying this woman's
Desire Paired with Diligence
00:43:52
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out of her mind. But somebody out there saying, I want to do that.
00:43:56
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And, you know, basically everything starts with just that simple sentence. I want that. When there's something that stirs inside you that says, I want that. I want like you said, you saw you saw Dennis and you said, I want that. But there's only one step higher than I want that. I really want that. You know, I really want that. And I came up with the word really is my college wrestling coach. He had this little poster on the wall.
00:44:25
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And it said if you really want to be a champion, then the work is no problem. And the only word that was italicized was the word really. If you really want to be a champion, then the work is no problem. If you really want to go to medical school, then the work is no problem. If you really want to bench press 225 pounds 48 times, then the work is no problem.
00:44:48
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So basically, maybe that's the takeaway from this session for you, for our listeners. What do you really want? And if you don't know what you really want, what you really want is to find out what you really want. And I'm not saying really want here.
00:45:05
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When you saw Dennis, when you were at that strong men's dinner, I think something stirred inside you. You didn't say to Lynn, I think this is a good idea. You say, I got to do this. And tell about the significant emotional experience you had with the bricks. And you can see Russell with the bricks over his left shoulder. So that was a significant emotional experience. Or have you already told that story? No, I haven't told it on the podcast yet. Tell us that story.
00:45:34
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Well, I mean, that was, you know, you know, we're down in visiting some friends down the Jersey shore. And we saw at a youth rally on a Saturday, we saw these couple of strongman guys. They were they were kind of the intermission for a famous musician that was playing. And so
00:45:57
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whatever, why, I don't know, but Lynn left her purse at this church. And we leave there, we go up, we're going up to Garden State Parkway and she decides, uh-oh, I think I left my purse. We go back to the church and the church is all locked up. It's late at night. We stayed at friend's house that lived down there. And the next day we go to church and fortunately it was an honest church. So her purse was there and our friend sit on the second row. So the celebrities or the guests are in the front row.
00:46:28
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Anyway, this guy gets up and tells a story and he didn't know if he was going to make the event because he had just lost his daughter a couple of weeks before to leukemia. She had been sick for a long time and he's from California.
00:46:45
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he tells his story and he sits down right in front of me. And I, you know, we'd lost a child in a car crash back in 87. And so I just felt this empathy, but I didn't know what to say or do. I just felt it. And anyway, the service ends and I just like reach out. I like, I was just going to give the guy some encouragement about grieving and loss. And so the guy turns around, he looks at me with these like,
00:47:10
Speaker
crazy eyes. And he says, he says, well, listen, I really don't have any time to talk or anything. Right now we have a showdown about Atlantic City. So I said, no worries. You know, you know, I just want to encourage you and stuff and all. And he said, wait a minute. And all of a sudden we're going to lunch and we go to lunch, Lynn and me and this guy. And he says,
00:47:34
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I need some help tonight after we're telling our stories. He was like the guy out of, what was that Patrick Swayze movie where he was the bouncer? Roadhouse, right? It was a crazy movie, but he was like that character in real life before he became a Christian. And so he says, we need some help tonight. I'm really not feeling good. He says, we need some help. We need somebody to help us break some bricks. So I said, yeah. And at that point, I'm a 39-year-old old basketball player.
00:48:03
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not a wrestler, old basketball player. Never did anything like that in my life before. And my wife is very supportive and she goes, go ahead honey, go help the guy. So we go down, we're going down the Garden Stake Parkway. This guy from San Diego, California is sitting next to me, he's teaching me, he's talking about breaking bricks, how to do it. And I'm going, you're crazy. And he's yelling, watch the road or yelling at each other back and forth. And we get down to Atlantic City, pulling his parking lot,
00:48:29
Speaker
And we go inside and the guy that was with him had set up this two stacks of bricks on either side of the stage. And I said, well, do I get to practice? He goes, no, we don't have enough bricks. So I said, wait, there's nine bricks. They're two inches thick. That's 18 inches of concrete. He goes, yeah, don't worry about it. Just do what I tell you to do and you'll be fine. And I'm like,
00:48:53
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So we go in the back to warm up, but for this guy, warm ups, that was just, he just got together and we prayed. And this guy prayed like I never, it was way different than any prayer I'd ever prayed before. So anyway, we come out and we get up on stage. I mean, there was some initial event and then,
00:49:14
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It's supposed to be choreographed. I'm on one side of the stage and another guy's on the other side of the stage and we're going to break the stacks of bricks at exactly the same time. And all these people, it's like being at a big sporting event or something. Everybody's, you know, cheering and yelling and I'm all excited. And, uh, but the next thing they start to count down 10. And as soon as they do the countdown,
00:49:38
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It's like all that excitement goes out on me and I'm filled with fear, right? And it's that type of fear though where it's not just, oh, I'm afraid. This was like life and death fear. I was afraid it was gonna break my arm. I was afraid it was gonna be very painful. I was afraid they're gonna be carrying me out to the local hospital, just embarrass everybody. And I remember to talk and it was actually by a guy you've heard of years ago, Dexter Yeager.
00:50:04
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Dexter Yeager, an old truck driver. He said that faith and fear cannot live in the same body at the same time. And I remember going, what does that mean? And it took me a week to figure it out. And it's like one or the other. It's going to be active in your body. You can't be both at the same time. And anyway, I went for total faith. I jumped up, hit that sack of bricks, and I can't, I still can't believe it. But that was, that was a turning point for me. That was in a lot of ways.
00:50:39
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I'm sorry, what? Is there ever been a time in your life that you weren't able to, the bricks always broke, right? After that, yes. I think when you maybe once I stumbled or something like that, but basically, yeah, every time they broke. So you're undefeated with the bricks. Yeah. Yeah, I wish we could still get them. They don't even make them anymore.
00:51:02
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They, they get out of style. Just look at the picture over Russell's shoulder. I mean, that's a real thing. But, um, but yeah, so those types of experiences, you know, it, you know, we call it a breakthrough, obviously. And you know, it's breaking through what's holding you back in life.
00:51:22
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But yeah, Doc, let me ask you, because I know we're running a little bit long here and I don't want to hold you up, but the college kids today, I know you used to, I don't know if you still do, you did the freshman orientation course at Montclair State and everything. I've been going into schools down here in South Carolina now since we moved down here. And I'm just wondering like what,
00:51:47
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What are you seeing different about kids today in terms of like preparation once they get to college? What are they, you know, physically, intellectually, emotionally? Have kids changed or are you still feeling like it's, you know, it's just another freshman orientation? Well, I still think the kids, just like we were talking about 3%, 27%, 60%, 10%,
00:52:15
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I mean, I have 3% of my students that are extraordinary, 27% they're really good, 60% that they really want to be average, and 10% they're, they just, no matter what you do, they won't do it. Let me give you an example of a 10%er. In the apartment house I live in, I try to mentor this 10th grader.
00:52:36
Speaker
And he doesn't read. He just doesn't read. So I give him a copy of my favorite book I ever read, The Boys in the Boat, about the 1936 Olympics. It's an incredible book. In the last year, it just came out as a movie. So I said, I want you to read this book. Then I reach in my pocket.
00:52:55
Speaker
take out $100 bill and said, finish this book within two weeks and I'll give you this. So I give him a book to keep. I motivate him $100. And then I saw him the other day and I said, have you started yet? He said, no, and it's been six weeks. You know, he's not going to read the book. He's just not going to. So the biggest thing I find that since COVID, I don't know what's happened. The students are still 3%, 27%, 60%, 10%, but the current students, they just won't ask for help.
00:53:25
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they will not ask. And I spoke to other people and they say, I don't know what the asking for help is. I give out my cell phone number to all my students almost every class. And I say, if I can help you call me. And the other day somebody actually did, but they will not call.
00:53:42
Speaker
Like with my laziness demonstration last semester, I gave it to them. They had to do it over the weekend. I said, do you have any problems with any of the questions? Call me. Some of my students would rather get an F than call me for help. I don't understand that. I mean, I was pretty lazy, but I wasn't that lazy. So, but the main thing, you know, the main thing is college really has not changed that much.
Diligence Over Intelligence
00:54:05
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Of course, the technology has changed, but you know, basically anybody, well, let me just,
00:54:11
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There are two things I want people to know about college. First of all, there's no great college. Oh, Harvard Yale, Princeton, the best schools, no. There's a best school for you. If you really, really, really want to stay at home to be with your family, then Montclair State is a great place for you if you live in sea caucus. You don't want to go to Harvard. You don't want to go to Cambridge, Massachusetts. So there's no best school. There's just a best school for you. And the second thing is what I mentioned before.
00:54:41
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College has nothing to do with intelligence and has everything to do with diligence. And graduate school even has less to do with intelligence and even more to do with diligence. And getting a PhD or a medical degree or a law degree even has less to do with intelligence and more with diligence. It's all diligence, all keep on keeping on. So one of the things I'd like people to watch, it's a very boring video.
00:55:06
Speaker
go to YouTube and put in Guinness World Record for blindfolded file shooting. And there's a guy that sets a record for blindfolded file shooting. I think he got 15 in a row blindfolded, 15. And I think the old record
00:55:28
Speaker
If I remember correctly, it was like 10 or 11 or 12. Now the interesting thing is the guy is 73 years old. And I showed this to my students and I said, what was the most interesting thing about that video? And they never get it. Well, once in a while the students say, how come the guy shagging the balls is handing it back to him? He doesn't throw him back. I said, he's blindfolded. He won't see it. But the most interesting thing is the guy that sets a record has a walker next to him.
00:55:57
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a walker, you know, and he still set the record. And you cannot tell me that had anything to do with anything but diligence. And I don't know, for some reason, this guy said, I really want that. And he did it. So I will guarantee that anybody that takes the, I really want that and hooks it up with unbelievable diligence will get whatever you want. Whether it's sales or school or sports or anything.
00:56:29
Speaker
All right. So I really appreciate you giving us this time today, doc, but I'm going to ask you this one last thing and I have no idea where it's going to go, but I want to hear your all time inspirational story.
Enduring Love and Connection
00:56:51
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Well, every once in a while somebody asks me that. And to tell you the truth, it's usually,
00:56:59
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The last story that I just either wrote or the last story I heard, do you know? So on Valentine's Day, I came across an old bits and pieces story of back in the twenties. Now this is a love story. The big Hollywood star was named Helen Hayes. And she's at a Christmas party one day.
00:57:28
Speaker
And a young person who would be famous one day, but he wasn't famous at that time, I think his name was James Arthur. I might be getting that wrong. So of course, Helen Hayes is a belle of the ball and he just wants to say hello to her. So he finally gets her ear and they're talking and he's so nervous and he has some peanuts in his hand and he's very nervous.
00:57:54
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He said, Helen, would you like some peanuts? And she said, sure. And she's taking the peanuts. And he says, I wish they were emeralds. And she said, oh, that's sweet. Well, guess what? They had a date. They got engaged and they were married. And towards the end of their marriage, before one of them died, that they have a big anniversary dinner and they went out to a nice restaurant.
00:58:21
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And right before dessert, he gives her a little box and she opens it up. And it's a beautiful emerald necklace. And she takes it out and says how beautiful it is. And then with a chair in her eye, she says, I wish they were peanuts. I wish, I wish, I wish we were starting all over again. I wish we were young kids just starting this journey.
00:58:50
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So the other one I made up the other day, because my good friend down by you in North Carolina.
00:58:57
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Martin Rooney is coaching the high school team. So he was telling me about, so I made up this story. So suppose it's one day in North Carolina and track practice, and there are about 80 kids out for the track team. And the coach could feel there's no energy on the track. The throwers aren't energized, the runners aren't energized. So the coach blows his whistle and everybody encircles the coach.
00:59:24
Speaker
And he looks in the corner. He said, hey, Russell, are you there? He said, yeah, coach, I'm here. He said, Russell, who's your best friend? Oh, that's easy. My best friend is Dennis. He said, Russell, not when you're a track practice. When you're a track practice, your best friend is pain. I don't want you to leave pain at home. I don't want you to leave pain in the locker room. I want you to be pain right next to you. I want you to fight through that pain.
00:59:52
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You know, once you make pain your friend and you don't resist it and you persist through it, you're going to be a superstar. You said, Russell, what's on the wall of my office?
01:00:04
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He said, I don't know, coach. Well, come in, Russell, you'll see it. It says, be comfortable being uncomfortable. Make friends with pain. So I made up that story the other day. I like that story. That's a good one. It's going to scare some people, but it's a good story. Well, I mean, okay. Suppose you're talking to students. Hey, Russell, who's your best friend? Boredom.
01:00:27
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Most people feel the pain. Oh, it's time to quit. Most people feel the boredom. Oh, pack up the books. Most people rejections enough in sales. So let's give a Muhammad Ali story.
01:00:43
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Muhammad Ali was training once for an upcoming championship fight, and he used to love to have his fans around. So there are a lot of fans there, and he's in the ring doing sit-ups. 223, 224, 225. And he finally stops, gets out of the ring, and all of his handlers are toweling him off. And one of the fans came up to him. He said, hey, champ, how many sit-ups did you do? And Ali said, well, to tell you the truth, I'm not sure. He said, what do you mean you're not sure? I heard you're counting.
01:01:12
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Then Ali said, oh, I only start counting when they start hurting. Ooh, nice. Now that's a secret. That's a secret. You start counting reps and sets when it starts hurting. You start studying when it's start getting bored, you know?
01:01:31
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That's the thing. The game starts when it starts hurting. And that's why I'm ending this way. I should start. Get off of this and listen to Helene. She knows this stuff. See, the difference is I could talk about this. Helene lives it, you know? She does. How many days in a row did she run a marathon? 93. 93 days. We'll talk about it. It's on the podcast. You'll hear it. Forget about David Goggins. Forget about David Goggins.
01:02:01
Speaker
Alright, my new hero. Okay, well, that's a wrap. Hope everyone enjoyed today's episode. And you got some takeaways that you can use, I'm sure you have. And you can follow Dr. Gilbert here at his, this is a success hotline is 973-743-4690. And you can just put a success hotline in, I think, doc, in your
01:02:26
Speaker
in the podcast and it'll come up there too. It gets posted there as well every day. You'll get a new one. Please share this with your friends and don't forget all my stuff. Can I say one more thing? Sure. Okay. Special bonus since you stayed with us for the whole time. One of my really, really fun things is when one of my success hotline callers or one of my colleagues called or Russell calls and said, hey, I'm giving a talk tomorrow night and I need a story.
01:02:56
Speaker
So if you are ever in a situation, if you're speaking at awards bank, but you have to call me within one or two days, don't call me three weeks before because there's no juice. You've got to be, and I will come up with a story. So you need a story. You need to know what to say right before that. I love doing this and I'll give you, well, I hope I'll give you exactly the right story, but I've done it with enough people that I think we could figure out what to do for the talk. Or even if you have to give a best man speech at a wedding, I'm good at that too.
01:03:27
Speaker
All right. So let me give you my cell phone. My cell phone is 973-985-4138. 973-985-4138. And the good news is that I just gave you my cell phone number. The bad news is you probably will be like my students and you probably won't call. Oh no. But I hope you do. But I hope you do. 973-985-4138. That's it for me.
01:03:54
Speaker
Doc, thank you. And don't forget all my stuff at russelljonespeaks.com. If you're a parent or grandparent or mentor to attend a 15 year old, check out my 50 day, I'm sorry, 60 day transformational interactive video series, top secrets of success for kids and parents. And in the words of the inimitable Hulk Hogan, say your prayers, take your vitamins and you'll never go wrong. Then you can all go and make it a great day. Thanks again, Doc. Bye for now.