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The Things We Can't Explain: A Conversation with Erika Zogla
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Not every experience fits neatly into a box.
In this episode of OPE Unscripted, I sit down with Erika Zogla to discuss energy healing, intuition, spiritual encounters, and the moments in life that make us question what we think we know.
From her journey into energy work to conversations about personal growth, paranormal experiences, spirit communication, and finding meaning in life's biggest questions, Erika shares the experiences that shaped her path and the lessons she's learned along the way.
It's an open-minded conversation about belief, skepticism, healing, and exploring the unknown—perfect for anyone who's ever wondered if there's more going on than meets the eye.
☕ Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or simply curious, pull up a chair and join us for a fascinating discussion about the things we can't explain.
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Transcript
Introduction to Paranormal Discussion
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to another episode of Ope, we are the Ohana Packers edition podcast. I am Iowa Joe. This is episode six of my Ope Unscripted. i've I've lost count so far and that's pretty sad when there's only six episodes.
00:00:17
Speaker
I am... This is an episode that's gonna get a little bit weird, so there might be some people out there that don't wanna listen to it, that don't wanna... That's fine, but this is kind of a topic that I've been interested in. Like I tell people, I'm a skeptic believer when it comes to a lot of things, and you know, you can call me the Doubting Thomas, you can call me whatever you want, but I've had my experiences, I've had my own situations,
00:00:46
Speaker
but I also don't believe everything in the world is a paranormal event. We are gonna be talking a little bit of paranormal.
Erika's Journey into Energy Healing
00:00:54
Speaker
I am joined by Erika Zjogla, who is a is an energy healer who has experiences, who has, I'll let her tell a little bit of her side of the story, but Erika, thank you for joining me today.
00:01:12
Speaker
Thank you for having me. I'm very glad to be here. So you have had your own type of experiences and how you got into faith healing and this will kind of go in, or not faith healing, sorry, energy healing. For some reason, I'm off today. I couldn't sleep well last night. so um But you you had your own interesting way into energy healing. Can you just kind of explain what your energy healing is and how how you kind of got into it?
00:01:45
Speaker
Yes, definitely. um I'll try not to make it super long because it can be a very long story. But essentially it was never it was never really my goal to become an energy healer. It was not something I actively sought out.
00:02:00
Speaker
But around seven years ago I was in a kind of a low point in my life when I was very confused about the direction my life is going, what do I truly want.
Exploration of Spirituality and Extraterrestrial Contact
00:02:09
Speaker
why my dailies don't feel that great, although I did have some good things going for me, but I just felt off and and i was and I felt like some big things were missing, like what am I supposed to do in this life in terms of like my purpose, my society. What can I do for the society?
00:02:28
Speaker
And I had some also health problems that were coming up and relationship problems with some people close to me. So i was like, got to do something with this. And I kind of from the outset, I took on the worldview that ah need to look inside of me and understand what is inside of me and kind of the outside will start reflecting that when I'm starting to get things organized inside.
00:02:55
Speaker
So I started so just picking up different kinds of things, psychology courses. and Then I went a little bit into spirituality when I learned about past lives through different books.
00:03:08
Speaker
And every every new step was like a wow discovery. I was like, oh, I need to know, I need to know what did I do in the past lives and I would get carried away with that. And I would I would go with so many different teachers, so many different kind of directions, just anything that kind of was interesting to me. There was no real goal. I was just doing it for myself. And slowly, slowly, I did find answers for the things that were traveling.
00:03:33
Speaker
me And over time, as I was participating in all all of these kinds of experiences, I started to feel energy sometimes during some practices, some meditations, and I was just like, be okay, interesting, nice, but I would wouldn't just give it a lot of significance.
00:03:51
Speaker
and And I also started what you call channeling. I didn't call it even channeling at the time, but when you access the information from like your higher self, which is like just like part of your soul or your past lives, you're basically channeling that information. You're receiving information through a spiritual channel, right? It's not like I read it or I found somebody.
00:04:15
Speaker
I opened up a spiritual channel to connect to another being or my own being, like another part of my own being and receive information that way. So that that became something I started to do a lot because I was interested in so many different things. so And a lot of them were using this practice of channeling.
00:04:35
Speaker
Okay, so this is like kind of me building up the skills. And then um around almost two years ago now, I came across a book that was given to me actually by my mom, about um which was written by another channeler of extraterrestrial beings.
00:04:57
Speaker
a very powerful room woman who lives in Russia right now. And all all her content is mainly in Russian, so it's not that accessible if you don't know the language. But she is she is revolutionary. So I got her book and it totally changed my worldview.
00:05:14
Speaker
like I thought started believing that there are intelligent species living outside of Earth, that they are actually helping us a lot, that they have been...
00:05:26
Speaker
influencing our history from the very, very beginning that You know, they play a major part in our society, although we don't really see that. So I was just like, wow, I got carried again, got carried away with that. So I did a deep dive in this subject because before that, I didn't really give it a thought. It didn't really concern me if there are other beings in the universe or not. Like it didn't do anything for my life. Right.
00:05:51
Speaker
right Right. I didn't have any kind of experiences of seeing dishes or meeting somebody or whatever. So I never thought about it, but, um, I kind of continued exploring that subject through other teachers as well, through other channelers and around maybe three months from that point, I got my own kind of spontaneous contact with beings from another planet who became my guides with whom I work currently. So I say it very plainly now, but it was a very big event for me that I had to process for
00:06:29
Speaker
considerable amount of time to be able to even share it with other people to say, okay, I'm channeling these beings that are another planet and I'm not crazy and it's real. and And it's actually happening. You know, it took me time to actually trust it myself and, you know,
00:06:46
Speaker
integrate that experience and that event. But over time, yeah, they started teaching me things about energy healing and that are they they basically revealed that the purpose of our contact is to do energy healing work.
00:07:04
Speaker
for other people. And again, it took me a long time to actually start doing it from the moment I first mentioned it to the actually when I started working with this first person, it took me again, maybe, I don't know, six months or something because I was just You know, it's it's not easy to accept some of these things when they happen to you. It's easy to read read about them in a book when it happens to somebody else and you're like, wow, they're so special, what an interesting life story. But it's actually happening to you and you're just like living your normal life and suddenly you need to deal with all of these questions. It's kind of, yeah, it's a bit of a challenge.
00:07:38
Speaker
But once I started, i really i i realized what what a powerful tool it is and that my approach has a place to be and it really is useful for the people that i have had a chance to work with so far which is not that many because i'm still starting out but i believe that yeah i'm excited for what's next yeah yeah and that's where i step in and say i i that's where i'm the skeptic believer and that's why i call it skeptic believer i
Balancing Skepticism and Belief
00:08:09
Speaker
believe the possibility is there
00:08:12
Speaker
But until I actually have it happen, it's one of those things that's like, okay, yeah, yeah. You know, how do you separate the people actually having these things and the people that are just claiming they're having this stuff happen and they're just wanting the clicks, the views, the, you know, because that's the main issue with technology today and the access to where anybody can have a camera, anybody can have a microphone, anybody can do this and put something up and say, yeah, you know, hey, uh, uh,
00:08:48
Speaker
gorgo from planet nine just showed up in my backyard and here's video proof of know what's going on and but then when you have people who have had experiences like you who have channeled and got that you know actually are using what's going on it's like okay well then i can believe that a little bit more than I can believe, you know, like Gorgo from Planet Nine just showed up and and that because
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it With the way things can be faked today, it it just... It's hard to believe, like... Again, I'm a big person in paranormal, so, you know, ghosts, yeah, I believe there's, the you know, there is an afterlife. There is a ghost out there, aliens, ETs, whatever you would like to call them.
00:09:46
Speaker
I think it's kind of arrogant to believe that we are the only ones in the in the universe that had, you know, we're the only intelligent life. So obviously with the vast amount of space and everything that they're finding, you can't tell me there's not another you know, planet with living species there. They may not be what, you know, it could be like the old cartoon themes where there's a planet of super beings of, you know, whatever animal was able to evolve into the head the planet.
00:10:22
Speaker
uh planet but you know there there's there's a strong possibility there you know stuff like that i i can believe a little bit more you know cryptids i you know there's been enough sightings in that over millennia you know like big foots and yetis and stuff like that that it's hard to believe that they're not or they're they're weren't Now, do I believe everything in the world is a cryptid or anything like that? No.
00:10:52
Speaker
But there are still vast amount of species that humans have not seen. You know, it wasn't until like the eighteen hundreds that people actually knew what a gorilla was.
00:11:06
Speaker
so it's one of those things that i believe in that stuff but i don't believe everybody's story when it comes to that stuff because you know it's again nowadays with the way things are, it's hard to separate, okay, this person's just doing it for clicks and views, this one's doing it for for a decent purpose.
00:11:29
Speaker
So that's where I get the whole skeptic believer situation going on. And I always tell people Harry Houdini is one of the biggest influences in my mind in my decisions on this because he was kind of in the similar boat.
00:11:47
Speaker
after his mom died, you know, he wanted to believe that there was an afterlife. He wanted to believe that there was a way to be in touch with that person. But because of situations that happened where he got caught or he caught people faking interactions with that, he went on this crusade to, okay, now I'm going to debunk everything until you can prove it to me that you've actually had this, I'm going to tear your whole situation down. And I kind of respect that in a way because I'm in i'm in the similar boat where I appreciate it. i you know, I'm all for,
00:12:30
Speaker
um for what's the word, you know, like TV and and movies and stuff like that, but I'm not for some of these people.
00:12:44
Speaker
I think the biggest one that in my mind in the in the ghost world because i I'm old enough that I grew up watching. or why I didn't grow up. I was ah i was in college when ghost hunters started becoming a popular TV show.
00:12:59
Speaker
Well, at the same time, Ghost Adventures. Well, I followed Ghost Hunters because they were in my same boat. We're out here, we're going to disprove this stuff, but if what if we can't disprove it and can't have a a good enough reason for why this happened, then that's documented proof. Whereas Ghost Adventures with Zach Bagans and all that, they just it seemed like everything was haunted, everything was glorified, and now they're getting to the point where they're actually getting caught faking
00:13:35
Speaker
ah a hauntings just so they can continue continue to get the views and stuff like that. And that's where my mind separates on this stuff. But for you to have those experiences,
00:13:50
Speaker
I think we all reach a point where we all look for oh some kind of answer somewhere and for you to find yours in a way that isn't a common way. I mean, obviously not everybody's making contacts with any kind of beings out there, but when it happened to you, was there any thought in your mind like, did i am I going crazy or is this actually happening?
Spiritual Connections and Guidance
00:14:17
Speaker
yes Yes, absolutely. I mentioned that that it took me time to integrat integrate that because so yeah i freaked out. like That evening I was just basically sitting in my own house at my dining table journaling and asking different questions. And I started getting replies, very specific replies about my questions that I was asking and that I was journaling about.
00:14:41
Speaker
And i was i was just the kind of, you know, writing down a question, closing my eyes and focusing on my heart center and just the reply would come up and I would write it down. I would repeat the process again with a a question. And I started getting a very specific things, directions that I should be doing. And I was like, okay, this is very, very curious. This feels a little bit different from what I'm used to because often when you're channeling these kind of high vibrational beings, they often don't want to give you like a specific set and set of instructions. They just give you like these loving vibes or you know reassurance and encouragement and give you confidence. Sometimes they do give you some advice, depends what you're asking about, but this is like very specific. So I was like, okay, I need to ask who I'm talking to because i didn't set out any tension at the beginning of my journaling session, let's say.
00:15:34
Speaker
And the reply that I was expecting was like your higher self or your guardian angel or something like that, which is things that I was used to already at that point. It was normal. It was common practice.
00:15:45
Speaker
But the reply came, yeah, like beings from another planet. So i was like, okay, what do I do? Because of course I thought that maybe, okay, maybe I over consumed content on aliens, you know, so now I'm making it up in my head.
00:16:01
Speaker
Maybe it's like some other beings contacting me with some evil intentions and they're pretending to be these guides with good intentions. you know That could also be an option. Or you know so many things where maybe I'm just kind of, yeah, I took it too far. I'm starting to hallucinate stuff. right but so But what helped me? so So it was kind of scary and I didn't, i'm I'm a kind of closed person in a way that I don't immediately share.
00:16:29
Speaker
things that are going on inside of me with other people, even my closest people. I kind of need to process that a bit on my soul, on myself. And so I was not even talking about that with anybody in my family. i was just like quietly going around my day about my normal day, about my, you know, dropping kids to school, et cetera, et cetera. And then slowly internally freaking out about all of these questions.
00:16:56
Speaker
But I was like, okay, I need to i need to find a way to kind of confirm what's going on with myself. I need to find a way to clarify the situation because this is not healthy. you know It's causing me a lot of stress.
00:17:11
Speaker
And at the same time, I would still go into these channeling sessions with them. I would continue talking to them and writing down everything they told me. you know And um so i reach out I reached out to that organization of that woman whose book I read, The Channeler from Russia. So I reached out to her organization. She has like a non-profit organization.
00:17:35
Speaker
And I just got like a hold of some volunteer through some like a chat. and And I just poured out all of my troubles to her. And it was such a relief. And I was like, okay, please help me. Like, what do I do now?
00:17:52
Speaker
And it was incredible relief when she told me, like, i my intuition is telling me that what you're saying is true. that it is actually happening to happening as you say it is.
00:18:05
Speaker
So you can't imagine my kind of feeling in that moment when you have the first person who actually believed in you, an absolute stranger who didn't know anything about you until like, you know, a few moments ago, and they actually believe what you're saying. So it's like, okay, there's there is hope for me.
00:18:27
Speaker
and no Not everything is so bad. so yeah, I kind of then I organized a session with that ah lady, the channeler herself, whose book I wrote, you know, she kind of started with all of this she has to help me.
00:18:40
Speaker
and um And I was like, my my thought was that, okay, we're gonna factually confirm this, you know, you can reach out to your to your contacts or whoever you're channeling and check if there is these people who are in contact working with somebody on Earth or something like that. That was my idea. But she's like, no, this is not how it works. like The only thing we can do is like we can reach out to your higher self.
00:19:06
Speaker
And your higher self, I'll just quickly explain what it is. It's like you, you all of us, we are like spirits in the spirit world, OK? Before we come to have a life in the physical body,
00:19:21
Speaker
we are in our spirit form, which is our true eternal form, which is indestructible, nothing can ever happen to that. Okay? So when that spirit decides and chooses to have a certain experience on Earth or any other planet in the in universe, part of that spirit's energy, not all of it, comes to live in the body, so which we usually call it soul. Like we say we have a soul in our body, right?
00:19:47
Speaker
Yeah. So, and the other part, which remains in the spirit world for the duration of that life, it's called higher self, just because it's temporary kind of like separated, but they are not actually ever separate. They're always maintaining the connection. So if somebody learns to have conscious contact with their higher self, they can get a lot of answers about their life.
00:20:11
Speaker
Because the soul part that is in our body, you know, our memory is blocked about our past lives, what we did before in the spirit world, how it felt to be there, because we are here to learn some some lessons, right? So if if we know in advance everything, it kind of defeats the purpose.
00:20:31
Speaker
That's why we agree to have our memory blocked for temporary. But if you reach out to your higher self, you do get a chance to get some insights.
00:20:42
Speaker
And so so she guided me through a session of connecting to higher self, which I've done. Even I did it myself at home when I yeah started the channeling. I was like, I did it because I knew that's something you you have to do. You need to ask your higher self about this contact. Who am I talking to? Is it safe for me? What's the purpose?
00:21:00
Speaker
Are they like saying the truth, et cetera, et cetera. And I did it and I got like confirmation and everything, but it was not enough for me. like In this case, it was not enough for me. you know i needed external proof you know external validation so then i i had a session with that lady and it was very powerful it was kind of i don't know maybe her way or her approach and her just presence made it like very different and yeah they they confirmed that it is legit it's happening and that purpose is to do healing work and yeah so after that i kind of started calming down and also the other thing that helped me a lot was that
00:21:41
Speaker
um you know when when i was I continued to have these channeling sessions with them, with my guides. And soon enough, I started to realize that what they're saying and how they're viewing different situations and their approach, their worldview, their perspective on different questions, it's totally alien to me.
00:22:04
Speaker
I've never thought of things that way. I don't know of anybody who has explained to me different concepts in that way. so it gave me kind of another reassurance that yes, like I'm talking to somebody who is different from me because my imagination is not that great to, you know, make all of this stuff up.
00:22:22
Speaker
So yeah, kind of slowly, slowly over time. And then when I started finally telling what's happening to some people close to me and that none of them kind of freaked out and rejected me, then it's also like, you know, step by step allowed me to calm down. But what you mentioned before about saying that, you know, you never know who to trust, whose story is real and whose isn't.
00:22:45
Speaker
And I absolutely agree with you. Like, i also don't just trust anybody, even like other people who are channelers. I don't always agree. or kind of give a lot of value to what they're saying because I kind of... I kind of... um You have to listen to what that person is teaching you.
00:23:08
Speaker
There are a lot of channelers who are spreading a lot of fear. A lot of kind of things are going to be so bad and all kind of bad predictions are teaching you that you know like some basic things that you're doing in your life are like um are very bad for you. Like I saw one channeler saying that eating tomatoes is like...
00:23:30
Speaker
so bad for you because of these like five reasons. I was like, okay, this is it's not helpful for anybody, right? Because now you're adding another thing for a person to stress about. Now we're going to stress about the tomatoes and the and the ketchup and the pasta and the pizza and everything. It's it's you know it's absolutely not helpful, but there are channelers who I don't say that she's not a channeler or that she's making it up. She's probably believing absolutely what she's doing and she has her own experience.
00:23:58
Speaker
But I rather would choose to listen to somebody and pay attention to people whose opinions and perspective and the channeled information is actually helping you in your life to make sense of what's happening with you, or what's happening with the world, how you can improve your life in you know in a positive way,
00:24:19
Speaker
not right let's change things i think you can say the same thing for like people who are one of the big things on youtube that i've seen a lot lately and it just boggles my mind is these people that uh use what they call the spirit box and and uh uh the ovelisk and where they they ask a question and and it'll pop you know it'll come through their little... Basically, I don't know if you know what spirit boxes and stuff like that are, but... but
00:25:00
Speaker
um So for anybody who doesn't know, Basically what they've done is taken a radio and they've made it in a way that instead of having to manually ah tune it, you know how you had to tune a radio to pull in your your radio station, it it automatically scans through rapidly and supposedly, you know, a ghost can use that energy to form words. And, and yeah, it's not one of those things that I'm very,
00:25:37
Speaker
believe in because it's like, well, you're going to get words from any station that pops up as you're rapidly going through. So how do you distinguish between the answers that you're supposedly getting from your question and and these words that are randomly popping up? Or another one is what they call the Ovilisk, which is like a a little device that has an app in it that supposedly will pop up words on a screen. it was like, well, you can program that to, you know, respond to however you want.
00:26:13
Speaker
Well, there's videos on there that you've got people who have sat there with their their spirit box and supposedly, and there's a YouTube channel, Beardo, Beardo Gets Scared, that calls these guys out all the time, where, know,
00:26:31
Speaker
a celebrity can have just died and within 24 hours these people are pulling up their spirit boxes and well we're having a conversation with you know such and such and it's like well that doesn't make sense one you live in you know europe and this person died in the united states how are you making contact in 24 hours with a you know i understand there's a whole spirit world but you know don't you think you got to give them a little time before you can interact and and and and that and it's just you know people like that that do things in such a way that
00:27:16
Speaker
that's what bugs me about a lot of it. And I wish I had a bigger platform because then I would definitely go the full Harry Houdini and just start busting out a lot of these things. But um now with...
00:27:30
Speaker
If I'm understanding right, you're when you channel that and you go on to this other plane, that's when you can get in contact with your ETs.
00:27:44
Speaker
have they ever Is that the only way you can contact them? Or have do they manifest into this plane at any point? Or is it just a spiritual thing?
00:27:57
Speaker
Okay. Just can I say a few words about the ghost part and then I'll answer your question. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.
Extraterrestrial Influence in Spiritual Work
00:28:04
Speaker
So, you know, um think a lot of confusion is because um people don't have a clear idea of the kind of the structure of the universe. Right, Which is why I love this channeler a lot from Russia, because her teaching and her view, it answered a million questions and a million confusions. So just to give you like an example, what is a ghost, right? A ghost, so we said that this we have a soul, right, which is coming into the body and living here. And at the moment of the death, yes, the soul and the body separate.
00:28:38
Speaker
And usually within the 40 days after the person's death, the soul transitions fully back to the spirit world. And they have also these kind of like guides or other spirits who come to greet that soul and help her to transition.
00:28:54
Speaker
Because you know it's a bit of a shock maybe, especially if it's like a sudden death or something. ah So a ghost is a soul. that refuses to go to the spiritual for a longer longer period of time.
00:29:08
Speaker
Some souls feel that they have something not finished or that their life was cut off suddenly or they just are worried about their loved ones, that they're taking it very hard so they want to kind of stay around and send them kind of signs and reassurances. You know, sometimes they have these stories about people seeing some something during the funerals and it just like,
00:29:29
Speaker
consoles them or or other like small things that that's actually it's true, it's happening and and the ghosts have a little bit of ability to influence these events.
00:29:42
Speaker
So that that is a ghost and the the defining thing of all our spirits and souls is the free will. So the soul can choose to hang out in this unembodied state indefinitely, if they want to. you know So nobody will force them or drag them to the spirit world, no, your time is up, you have to go. No, if they want, they can hang around and you know hunt castles or whatever they want to do.
00:30:12
Speaker
They will be reminded and invited of this opportunity and option to go to the spirit world, but nobody will force them. And that is the thing about a lot of things in our life, both as a spirit and as a human, that a lot of the stuff depends on our choice.
00:30:33
Speaker
Okay, and people don't realize that how significant is that free will, the part the component of the free will and everything that's happening in our life. Okay, so there is a ghost.
00:30:45
Speaker
So I don't know about these machines and the things that you mentioned, I never experienced them. But about the ETs, so the thing is they are in the same plane already as us.
00:30:58
Speaker
okay There's no different plane, there's planets and stars and stuff. And so there are, Actually, they're in a different galaxy, there so they're not in our galaxy. But there are also a lot of planets which are inhabited by intelligent beings within our galaxy, within the Milky Way galaxy, and who are in contact with humanity as well.
00:31:19
Speaker
But my particular guides are in a different galaxy, okay? On a different planet. So they have their own planet. They have their physical bodies. They don't look like us. They are like kind of like taller and stuff. They little bit like they look different, but they have also mastered this art of channeling.
00:31:37
Speaker
It's a skill basically, right? It's not like a divine gift or something. It's a skill. It can be mastered. So they mastered that skill of channeling and for their own kind of reasons, they also chose to be these contactees, as they call them, ah for somebody on earth with the goal of, you know, teaching them about energies, teaching them about the healing, like me, right, and helping. But as they're doing that, it's also, you know, it's an experience for them. It's kind of like a job for them, you know. oh
00:32:14
Speaker
So these ETs, I'm always in contact with two of them. Like I don't hear two different voices, but they've told me that it's like two, two of them they work like in a together, like a team. But I hear only one kind of stream of message. I don't separate the two. And when I'm actually doing healing sessions,
00:32:36
Speaker
So they're always present in every healing session that I do. So this is the part where I just talk to them, I ask them questions, they answer. I let them ask me questions also. And um there is a different way of working when I'm doing a healing session. Again, I'm opening up a channel, but then I'm inviting inviting more beings into my channel So they said that there is somebody else who is actually responsible for doing the healing part and working with the healing energies. So they would be present actually when I'm doing that. Again, I don't really like differentiate that much.
00:33:10
Speaker
It sounds the same to me, but I know kind of the technicality behind that. Well, now the question is, can they actually come to earth while they're doing this in the spiritual way and not actually you know calling me or emailing me or just landing in my backyard?
00:33:28
Speaker
So ah here it's um it's a bit of a longer history. um So right now, in the past on Earth, there was open contact with a lot of civilizations from other planets.
00:33:48
Speaker
If you look into a lot of my mythology stories, of different different countries and different races, you'll see they have all kinds of different strange looking beings that were intelligent and that they were enacting. And some of them, they became kind of like deities over time because they were coming from the sky, you know?
00:34:08
Speaker
Yeah. So those were actually not like made up deities. In a lot of cases, they were actually intelligent beings from other planets that were openly interacting with humans.
00:34:22
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But then, and there were also a time when it was allowed for them to provide with us, for us, their technologies, which were a lot more advanced than our technologies.
00:34:35
Speaker
Okay, so that was allowed, for example, like a story. i don't know, you're going to believe me or not. i don't know if your audience going to believe me or not. But I was just going to say, for example, the the mystery of the Egyptian pyramids, right?
00:34:49
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Until now, it's kind of not clear how they were built, because even now we cannot really build them that that well with our technology. So that was during that time, still, there was open contact with the civilizations from different planets.
00:35:05
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and they provided this kind of um something like um kind of a small small device which sends out a laser beam to cut and it destroys kind of the molecules molecules where it why it started.
00:35:22
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So it was meant for example cliffs you can just cut through the cliff right and cut out like blocks from stone in a very efficient very fast way. Kind of etch deal.
00:35:35
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, i'm I'm a little bit forgetting the details of how it worked exactly because I listen, I read about the story a but while ago. But the idea that of something similar to a ra laser, which was on the molecular level, destroying the connections between the...
00:35:52
Speaker
the atoms whatever i don't know yeah okay right so um and cutting out very nicely so they provided that technology with a goal of building housing for the people okay they gave it to the uh pharaohs okay you you have a problem like people don't have a place to live take this build houses you have so much stone available to you but what they did instead of building houses, they started building these pyramids for themselves and for their own glory and for their own burial, right? So the people didn't see any houses. They saw, you know,
00:36:34
Speaker
ah kind of misuse of the technology. But okay, they leave that case. But then the next thing came is like, so they had this technology in different sizes. So they had like smaller ones and they had also like kind of a few big,
00:36:50
Speaker
large size ah devices for whatever bigger projects. okay So once they had like um conflict with um with tribes nearby or something, so what they did, they pointed that large scale device, which destroys the molecules at the tribes people coming at them.
00:37:13
Speaker
And what do you think happened? Yeah, right. The molecules are destroyed instantly, right? So they use it as a weapon now. okay And the contactees, is the they beings, the extraterrestrials who provided the technology for the pharaohs of that area, they had to answer.
00:37:34
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for that incident to the higher ups because there's like, there's organizations that structured it's not random. You know, like- It's like any other Boston employee. but so And then this was not an isolated incident. So at some point in history,
00:37:51
Speaker
the people started losing trust in the intelligent they intelligent beings from another planet, extraterrestrial friends, okay? And they started seeing some of them as a threat. And also another thing is that they were misusing the knowledge and the technology provided to them. So it was kind of agreed at a higher level. You know, there is like these kinds of cosmic ah organizations um that ah physical contact And
00:38:22
Speaker
physical transfer of technology will be stopped until we have evolve a lot more and we are ready for that. they want They want to interact with us, they want to, but for our own kind of safety and for you know not causing more problems than so they are solving, they decided that no, we will only do it in this kind of spiritual way, in a contact way. We'll provide knowledge, we'll provide ah kind of technologies which are not physical technologies but I mean, spiritual technologies about how to heal things or how to you know like better your life and cetera, et cetera. What is the structure of the universe? you know There's a lot of information available right now. If somebody's looking, there's a ton of information. you know i
00:39:12
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yeah So that's why they do not do physical contact with few exceptions.
00:39:21
Speaker
got it we are right now but they are waiting for us you know for us we can't even trust the people and we can't even trust the people in charge with the technology we have now let alone you know something some other uh race would would give us so
00:39:43
Speaker
how do i want to phrase this with
00:39:46
Speaker
Is a lot of the stuff that we hear about from people who claim, you know, they were abducted or, you know, they've seen ships or...
Extraterrestrial Observations and Earth
00:39:59
Speaker
Is that actually E.T.' 's making contact or is that something completely different?
00:40:09
Speaker
Because the way it sounds is they they want to contact but they're they're bound not to. Yeah, you see, so as the as an organization, as a group who is interacting with Earth, they they don't have that contact in general with a very, very few exceptions, okay?
00:40:30
Speaker
But, you know, there can always be like somebody who's rogue and kind of like a criminal who, yes, there have been cases of this kind of abductions and... so some bad things done to the humans, but I want to warn people that it is like very few cases compared to general help that we are receiving, so I don't want anybody to like panic about that. And you know, they have very efficient systems of monitoring that and rectifying those situations and bringing those perpetrators actually to justice, you know. um
00:41:07
Speaker
So yeah, it can it can happen, like, because it's not that You see, even a very yeah evolved society, there can be spirits that come to live into that society with a much lower level of vibrations, okay, which will not match maybe kind of though the average level of vibrations that is on that planet. So again, it's the free will of that being to act in out and a bad way, you know.
00:41:42
Speaker
and the consequences there. So, yeah, though that that can happen. And there have been also this interesting thing that I find it's very curious that there is a thing called like tourists, extraterrestrial tourists. okay Yeah, that makes sense too. Right. So like we would go to like France or Italy to see the view, see the places. So there are extraterrestrials tourists who come kind of fly over the earth and see how it's going. And usually they would be using some technologies for
00:42:17
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making their ships invisible, okay? yeah yeah It's a matter, you know, because you don't want to be spotted and you don't want to be shot down or whatever. But there I think there have been some rare cases where that um protection has not been turned off, on for some reason.
00:42:33
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don't know why. So it can be they can be spotted. And also I think there have been some cases of them being shot down or something like that. And, you know, all that has been secretly tucked away somewhere.
00:42:47
Speaker
They got too drunk and they were drunk and flying. forgot to flip their switch. I mean, this is a huge subject. Like I can talk for hours and hours, but I want people to talk. Well, like I said, I've had one experience where I really questioned whether or not it was something not of the earth and but because was just a weird situation that so where I'm at in Iowa there's a lot of back roads gravel road stuff like that and i always tell people that I know like a hundred ways just to get home from work so I I uh
00:43:37
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once in a while it's like, okay, well, I don't really want to go direct A to B, you know, let's just kind of take the scenic route and, and, and, um, just do a back road because I get off work at midnight central time and so it's nighttime it's you know stars above why go just directly home we'll just take the back roads and and you know I'll get home whenever I get home and it just it was weird that I came to the the intersection where you either go towards where I would go home or go the other way
00:44:16
Speaker
And it's an intersection I've drove, you know, I'll be 40 this year. I've been driving since I was 14, legally driving since I was 14. And I've drove this intersection hundreds of times and I get there and I see all kinds of of the, you know, slang cherries, but, you know, police lights and fire lights and stuff like that. And I'm seeing, you know, local sheriffs,
00:44:45
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state troopers, but then you see like these unmarked black vehicles and I saw oh fire trucks and all that stuff and it looked like there was a wreck out in the middle of, or not in the middle, but towards this cornfield.
00:45:04
Speaker
was like, okay, well, somebody must took the corner bad and and, you know, flipped and whatever. But was like, man, this is like a major response just for this one little, you know, one accident.
00:45:17
Speaker
So the next day I was like, okay, well, you know, maybe there'll be something in the little newspaper whatever. I have yet to see whatever happened. There was no coverage. There was no nothing of what happened. It's okay, that's got my hackles up. You know, what what's going on that there was no mentions of this accident in the middle of nowhere and this huge response. And it just, it was a weird situation.
00:45:44
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Yeah. so yeah it's It's crazy to think about that stuff. Yeah, yeah. They do have a lot of bases. I think it's pretty common if you go on YouTube, they have all kinds of people talking about this.
00:46:01
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They do have these bases of so different civilizations from different planets, they have bases on Earth, which are not visible to us. They can be deep in the ocean, they can be somewhere inside the mountains, in the desert or whatever. so they kind of study the Earth, they kind of you know want to understand what's going on and also work with the people because you can't really work with the people if you don't know what's going on, right? Like they have their lives, their perspective, and it's extremely different from what's going on on earth with us, right?
00:46:35
Speaker
So there are a lot of them and, you know, they are very good at making them hidden, but I've i've even come across like some different ah videos on youtube and people are saying they're spotting kind of dishes coming in and out of the ocean or something like that or seeing something in the water yeah and also the beings that i'm channeling they also said that they do have a base as well on the earth yeah well that goes back to what i said earlier about you know there's still species of animals on earth that have not been classified so and a lot of them are in the ocean because they
00:47:12
Speaker
Right now, we don't have the technology to be able to go that far deep into like the Pacific
Channeling Processes and Spiritual Communication
00:47:17
Speaker
Ocean and that. So it would not be surprising if there's stuff down there that nobody knows about because we don't have that technology to get down that far. But um so i want to go back to something real quick because I just want to.
00:47:37
Speaker
kind of clarify it in my mind. i understand what you were talking about where ghosts are, you know, in the spirit world and they can make the decision on whether, you know, they, they crossover, you know, using the word crossover or whatever.
00:47:51
Speaker
So what's makes that different than what you're doing with your contacts, your ETs? Is it kind of on a similar level or is that like completely? definite yeah You're absolutely right, it's the same idea. So channeling basically gives you ability to contact absolutely anybody, whether in the spirit world or in the physical world, as long as that other person or being agrees to the contact.
00:48:24
Speaker
right okay So it is absolutely possible to talk to somebody who deceased and you want to reach out to their spirit and talk to them. The spirit who just finished that lifetime, you can reach out to them and you know ask a few questions if they agree to that contact, if they want to. write So that is universal. That is universal, yeah.
00:48:48
Speaker
It's the same is the same idea. But the thing is about the channeling that I think a lot of people don't know is that it's not like a 100% exact science, right? So we are talking now through this internet magic and exactly what I say, it's exactly what you hear, like word for word, right? We are speaking the same language, we have a technology which is perfectly transferring the information. But when you are channeling, so you are opening up a spiritual channel. So first of all, you are talking to somebody, if I'm my example of my guides.
00:49:23
Speaker
It's not different language, it's extremely different language, it's an extremely different worldview, right? So it's not only the translation, and I sometimes feel it when I'm talking to them, I feel like they're talking to me like as if I'm a toddler trying to explain some concept to me, which is coming across so difficult because it's just so normal to them, but it doesn't exist for us at all. rotic heat How do you introduce an idea which I have not ever encountered? Right?
00:49:50
Speaker
so So there is that thing. So there is some information and some nuance which will be lost just because it's a different language that you're using. But also when you're using the spiritual channel, the clarity of information depends on the kind of the state of vibrations of both parties who are interacting, okay? And if they hold any strong preconceptions or biases that can influence that channel.
00:50:18
Speaker
Okay, so this is a very important thing. And also sometimes I feel like trust is very important in this um kind of connection. So sometimes when I'm hearing some things and I was like, I'm starting to doubt doubt what they're saying to me, or I'm starting to look for kind of issues with that they're trying to explain to me, they'll tell you know, like, you need to stay in the trust, you need to stay in the trust, because if I start doubting that, like I can, you know, I'm starting the information as if we would have some,
00:50:49
Speaker
some bad network right now and you know you would be hearing half of my the stuff that i'm saying yeah so it's the same idea right so when you're listening to the channelers you have to also keep that in mind okay so that whatever they're talking about it might be influenced by their strong biases or by their kind of state of vibrations, you know, and by also who they're talking to. It's not like you or can only talk to somebody who's like pure light and magic and love. You can talk to the beings who are very mean, you know, and they have mean stuff to tell you. So it's not not like you're channeling, you're access accessing some, you know, absolute magic.
00:51:35
Speaker
So these are things that you have to keep in mind. So is it, and i you know can it be something like, ah and I only know this website from the funny videos that come off of it, but that Omegle where yeah it's like a chat roulette type deal where you can just pop up randomly with somebody, but if, then you can like swipe away from them. Is that kind of something that happens?
00:52:01
Speaker
Is that something that- I've had one case when i yeah I refused the contact. So I've had only, I think, maybe very, very few times when I've had somebody else reach out to me instead of me kind of initiating the contact, aside from the guides.
00:52:21
Speaker
But there was this one case of, it was very creepy. So I was like, um I was in contact with my higher self. Okay. And then kind of, I think the higher self told me that there is another being or I just felt it kind of coming in.
00:52:37
Speaker
into the channel. oh no, no. They asked me if I agreed to have a contact with this other being who wants to talk to me and from the spirit world. So I kind of initially agreed to that.
00:52:50
Speaker
And they started saying like weird things that they were supposed to come live in this lifetime, but something went wrong, that they were supposed to be somebody like in my family or in my kind of circle of people that I know. yeah and And then they started like saying something like, I want to like feel your hair or something like that.
00:53:14
Speaker
yeah i was like, I'm stopping this contact. this is like it just you Sometimes you just need to trust your inner intuition. like it it It felt very off. It felt very kind of bad vibes, although they haven't done anything yet, but why would you kind of... How can you even touch my hair if you're like unembodied and like what you want to do with my body now, right?
00:53:37
Speaker
So I kind of i cut it off. I cut it off. I have somewhere in the notes the details, but this is as much as I remember from that experience. So you you have the ability to refuse the contact, right?
00:53:49
Speaker
So I agreed initially, but when I felt that this is not something that I want to continue, i just, no, thank you. Like, we're not doing this right now. Yeah, so it is kind of like that chat roulette type deal where, yeah, we'll stay talking. Nope, nope, we're going swipe left on this one. Yeah.
00:54:08
Speaker
I haven't had a lot of these kind of experiences, but yeah, it's it's something that can happen. Now, one of the more infamous kind of ah Well, let me step back on that. What's the difference between somebody in your situation who has this contact with ETs and channels and and uses it as as energy healing and and stuff like that?
00:54:38
Speaker
And people who claim to be like psychic mediums or who can see the future or can psychically diagnose something. what it is Is it just them reading the room differently or it is it like a completely separate entity?
00:55:00
Speaker
So if it's like a psychic medium, so there's a lot of different things that can go under that name. So usually like medium, we understand that somebody who's talking to the dead, we already kind of discussed that. So they just open up the channel if they're actually doing that.
00:55:15
Speaker
They're opening up the channel and reaching out to that specific spirit that, the you know, ah their client or whoever wanted to talk to and it's just their speciality, this is their thing, you know. And I actually tried it in a little small course during my long exploration, but I didn't, honestly i don't see the point of that because once you know like,
00:55:36
Speaker
a kind of once you've read some information and you understand how the spirit world works and um you know that person is okay, they're doing fine, it was just their time to go and you're gonna see them again. and it's like, I don't see the point why why we need to talk to them, you know? Why you need some kind of reassurance for them and stuff like that, you know? It really changes your perspective on death. It doesn't like feel as maybe terrible, unless it's really like violent and undeserved itself. Okay, that case, yes, we need to work on improving our society. But if it's like just the person's time to go, you know, like,
00:56:10
Speaker
It's okay, and all like it's inevitable. but um so and there are a lot of There's a lot of different people who specialize in a lot of different things with this channeling. so For me, my specialty is like this kind of healing work. so I do also diagnose the deeper roots of issues that people come to me with and those can be both physical and those can be also like mental like you know people tell me I have like this sleep for problem for years the doctors don't know what's going on I cannot heal it I cannot you know so we look at the soul and energy level what is the story behind that and often when you don't see where is the root of that where where it started you cannot really heal it because you know the pills are not gonna
00:56:55
Speaker
heal the soul the energy level you know yeah it's only through change of behavior and change of choices you can start healing okay and also in relationships sometimes people say like i'm running in circles you know i'm meeting the same toxic person so we're seeing again okay where's the pattern pattern starting so this is kind of my speciality but there's a million different people with a lot of different abilities who who specialize kind of in ah in a different way, you know? Like I once had a consultation, very, very fantastic consultation, like a few years back with a woman who could just kind of, she perceived the past lives of people
00:57:36
Speaker
and she would just get like that stream of um information. And I came to her with very specific questions that I had, and the things she told me like landed like a million percent. you know It answered those questions, and I understood, and changed my perspective, and it allowed me to live in a better way. So you know this this is her talent, this is the way.
00:58:00
Speaker
that she's helping people and it's needed. you know I'm not somebody who's running to her again and again. I just had this one experience that helped me. I'm like, okay, it's I'm moving on you know with my journey. So i it's it's I can't really say because I don't know all of the possibilities and all of the people, what they're doing, right that some case is not possible or some case is wrong. You always have to listen to your intuition.
00:58:26
Speaker
That is the king. That is the rule for everything. If you feel you resonate with a certain person, you feel like they hell have the ability to help you or provide some answer, yes, but just go for it. But if you're just doing it because, i don't know, your friend signed you up and you're like, whatever, you know, it's it's not going to give you anything. i've I've done it that way as well, and I got zero results, you know. I got more confusion than clarity out of
Skepticism Towards Psychic Predictions
00:58:52
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those kind of things. So you have to want it and you have to resonate and you have to just kind of intuitively trust it and, you know,
00:59:00
Speaker
and that experience will be helpful for you in some way. i just I wonder about that because psychic mediums are the one thing that I am very much so do not believe. because any Especially anymore. Because it's so easy to type in a person's name and find any kind of information you want about that person. yeah But I don't say the point. you know Also, I forgot you asked me about the future predictions, right?
00:59:35
Speaker
ah Right, right yeah true right. So that's, I don't see the point in doing that like at all, like at all, like I don't see the point. Well, now I'd like to have the lottery numbers, you know, that would be, would help a bank.
00:59:52
Speaker
Maybe in that way only, but you know, when people say like, which year I'm going to get married or how many children I'm going to get, you see when they read the future, there is something like called kind of like a river of time. There is this kind of idea where, you know, there's different streams of possibilities at this moment in time, right?
01:00:13
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this ex exact second, there's different possibilities that can happen with different kind of um probability of occurring.
01:00:23
Speaker
Okay? But as I make different decisions, as I make different choices, next week, all of those probabilities will already be very different. right yeah understand So what's the point to read my future now and in a year it's like I'm a different person in a different point of my life. you know And even if, for example, you tell me something that actually happens, okay? Or like a psychic told me that I'll get married in five years and I got married in five years. That's great, like they are legit.
01:00:53
Speaker
But how did that impact your life? It didn't impact your life at all. right How did it make you a better person? How did it help you in any way other than just kind of gave you this timeline five years? It didn't.
01:01:08
Speaker
So that's why i absolutely there have been these like incredible stories of people predicting something that happens like hundreds years later and it comes true, right? you I'm sure you've heard some examples, you know.
01:01:21
Speaker
But it's like, how did that do anything for the humanity other than being just a curious story, right? Okay, now we have this interesting story about somebody predicting something that's happening, but it didn't actually help us in any way. it didn't change our...
01:01:36
Speaker
choices or decisions or our lives in any way, right? If you think about it. So i I totally don't see the point in predicting the future. But my only thing with that is, you know, like I said, if somebody could pop up and say, hey, these are the lottery numbers next week, you'll win, you know, $100 million, dollars you know, that that would be the perfect world. But I kind of agree with you. And the only other thing that I can say is even if somebody did predict the future,
01:02:07
Speaker
you the human nature is not to believe it until it actually happens so even if you know like and i you know i did a lot of reading on nostradamus when i was younger and all that but it was a good story but then you get digging into what he actually said and a lot of the stuff that he wrote didn't make sense anyway And you have to do all this mind-bending work just to make it fit a narrative.
01:02:38
Speaker
So even if you knew about it, what were you going to do to stop it because you didn't understand it? So, you know, it could be something as simple as 10 years from now,
01:02:53
Speaker
so-and-so politician is going to get assassinated. I could make that prediction right now, but everybody's going to say, oh, well, you're full of shit. you know you know what's You're full of it. There's there's no proof.
01:03:09
Speaker
And then when it happened and nobody does anything to stop it and then it happens and then you get all the hindsight 2020 type things so it's i i agree with the future it's just one of those things that everybody loves to say well like ah like i did you know well the lottery numbers would be nice or you know the you know if you can tell me the winning uh horse so i can go put a bet on it real quick and and make a fortune that that would be nice but
01:03:39
Speaker
With the psychic psychic medium thing, I always have trouble with that because, and this will lead into a question to you about your your your're ah e t's It always seems like with the psychic mediums, they never get a full message. It's always, well, I'm seeing you know the color red, or I'm i'm hearing the name Jim. or Well, if you're actually in tune with these with these spirits, wouldn't you actually get like full conversations?
01:04:13
Speaker
So with your experience, with your guides, Are you getting full sentences or is it where you're only getting like half messages where you have to interpret and... and No, I do get full sentences. i have like over a hundred pages written now in the document of our conversation because it's but it's a conversation for me. You know, yeah there are a lot of ways of channeling. I don't know. you Have you seen Bashar?
01:04:43
Speaker
You know, that don he's very famous. He's super famous. So he's, ah I think, one of the biggest channelers, best known channelers now and in the U.S., s definitely. So when he channels, he he just closes hands his eyes and they kind of take over his...
01:04:58
Speaker
I don't know, consciousness or his body or whatever, his ability to speak. So he's taking a back seat and he's allowing those beings to control his body and the speech flows. That's why he always needs an hour the audience, he always needs another person to ask the questions so they can respond or they just go in like kind of monologue of saying whatever they want to say, right?
01:05:19
Speaker
So that is his way of doing it. I've never ever experienced that. This is not my way. So when I channel, i i kind of prepare, I focus myself, i you know i have a little energy exercise that I do to open up my my channel. So I feel kind of a little shift in in my state, in my internal state.
01:05:40
Speaker
And then i'm I'm starting to work, so i I reach out to them. I always kind of initiate, usually, most of the time, the contact. I reach out to them, I was like, greetings, you know, are you there? And they're always there. So we greet each other, and then we start to talk about whatever we want to talk that day. So I would maybe come up with some questions about things I heard, and I ask them to explain it.
01:06:03
Speaker
Or they just want to give me some new messages and stuff, so I will be writing that down. and So this is my way of doing it. But there are people who say they're channeling as they're creating art. you know For example, they're drawing and there they just feel all of that energy going through them. So this is they're doing it in that way. There are people who receive poems. okay I've heard of this woman. And for her, it just like happens randomly any moment of the day. She just feels it down. Don't know it's coming. like She needs to write down like, no, no, no. The message, it's coming always in a poem.
01:06:38
Speaker
Very interesting, right? in a poem. That would annoy the hell out of me. kind of And they're reaching out, like they're not, and they're not, um how you say, they're not respectful of her daily life of her schedule. They're just like, we need to tell you something, so you better write it down now, right? So there's a lot of different ways for people of how they're doing that.
01:07:02
Speaker
Okay, so I do get a lot of information, but there is one thing that I can tell you that about this kind of channeling and psychic contacts and mediumship, et cetera, cetera.
01:07:13
Speaker
um You see, I was, for example, my own example. I was looking for my purpose. Okay, what I meant to do for the people, you know, and I would start some different ideas. or At some point I was like, you know, Erica, just start making money, just stop doing all of this stuff, just choose anything and just start doing something. And the things would fall apart and it would feel so off and I would feel like I'm forcing myself, you know, and I would feel, okay, this is not yet. But the same time i was tired. It was like, okay, how long I'm going to be looking for my professional realization. Yeah. and so
01:07:50
Speaker
And i once I learned all of these techniques of like past life regressions and reaching out to your higher self or your spirit guides and everything, all of those cases I would use to ask, okay, what's my purpose? like We need to clarify these questions. And I would not get the answer.
01:08:07
Speaker
I would get vague answers. And now in hindsight, when I'm here, I understand why, because I was not absolutely ready to care that you know there was things I had to go through and experiences I had to go to be ready for this kind of contact and like to say that I'm an energy healing and even then it took me time to accept that right so if I had heard it like seven years ago when I was in my lowest point like so confused and somebody's just like coming telling me things in my own mind I would just you know I would go and insane and I was not ready so higher self and all of your spirit guides will be very
01:08:44
Speaker
mindful of the information they reveal to you and the timing of that information. So if you don't get an answer right now, it doesn't mean you're never going to get an answer.
01:08:54
Speaker
It might mean right now is not the right time. And I explain that always to the clients who I work with that in this session, we're going to see and hear what is in your best interest right now.
01:09:06
Speaker
Maybe not you're not ready for all of the stuff at once, right? night But whatever is right for you in this moment, this this is what I'll be able to tell you because this is the information that will be given to me.
01:09:20
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Okay? I will not maybe see all of your life issues and solutions and everything, but whatever is in your best interest, whatever you're ready to integrate, whatever is your next best step, this is what we're going to be dealing with, okay?
01:09:33
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So this is how it works, okay? It's always kind of for your journey, for your benefit.
01:09:41
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Um, so kind of of i just thought of this question because you just mentioned that, you know, the there was this one lady that they would contact at all times.
01:09:53
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Has there any been a moment where you went to go do a session and you got like a i'd like an answering machine message, we're not here at this moment, can you call back later or anything like that? No, I'm also wondering about that. you know I'm like, are you working 24-7? Just do waiting for me to come contact you.
01:10:13
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um And I kind of do feel bad if there are some some periods of time when I'm not coming into contact with them. There have been over this kind of one year and a half, almost two years.
01:10:24
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um when I've kind of little bit locked out and kind of had a little bit of gap, but I always come back, yeah, I always come back. No, i haven't, no, it hasn't happened. There have been cases when, you know, I start a session and I feel like,
01:10:41
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i'm I'm hungry or I'm tired and and I feel like I'm not continuing. Even they also feel that, they perceive that, they're saying like, just better we postpone it. Because if my my focus is taken away to my kind of physical discomfort or I'm feeling sick or I didn't sleep, you know, it's it's hard to be present and focused and right working 100% on that. Yeah. So that kind that can, that has happened. Yeah.
01:11:10
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So when you do, does it take a lot out of you to do this stuff where you, you know, the the superhero trope is, you know, like the Flash, once he does all his running and all that stuff, he's got to sit there and take, you know, 10,000 calories just to replenish what, you know, he used. is Does that kind of happen with you or is it just like a seamless type thing?
01:11:38
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No, it doesn't. I thought it would be the same as well, especially before I started the healing sessions. I thought, okay, now we're working with these energies, you know, I'm going to be giving it all and probably I'll need a break after that. But I was very surprised that after a few, first few, like after the first few, after the very, very first session, I did get a massive headache.
01:12:01
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but then they kind of told me you didn't close up the process properly so this is the result of that. So once I rectified that mistake, after that I never had any headache or anything ever again.
01:12:14
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And um I actually feel energized after I do healing sessions. I feel great because I think I'm You see, it's not like I'm giving my energy to the client because my energy is also not perfect. You know, I have my own things going on, right? Right. But I'm i'm channeling also the energy once once we do the healing work. So I'm taking out, taking through me the high vibrational energy that is passed to me through my mentors and the beings who are helping me to...
01:12:43
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conduct this process. So they're sending that energy through me and I'm passing on to the client. Okay. And the same way that if I'm taking anything from them, like clearing out any kind of blocks or any problematic areas as much as possible at the time, again, I'm not absorbing it and saying, I'm going to now deal with that. No, I'm not, don't want to deal with everybody's problems. So I'm going to again, pass it through me, through the channel to the beings. And I'll ask them to please,
01:13:12
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deal with this energy, like transmuted back to light, right? It doesn't serve the person anymore. So that's why I feel like after after the first few sessions, I started to think that probably that high, some of that high vibrational energy that I'm working with is also kind of in the act of passing through me. Some of that also remains in me, you know, like some residue. So that's why I i honestly feel pretty great after the sessions and it doesn't, it doesn't,
01:13:42
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feel exhausting to me. Like, chatting these sessions, when I do only information, yeah, if I'm doing going at it for a while, i do feel a bit tired, but not in a very like kind of massive way that, you know, I cannot do anything else that day or something like that.
01:13:56
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No. huh But um what I wanted to say that um Okay. I thought it escaped me. It happens. i That happens to me constantly.
01:14:08
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um Have you ever had a session that you had to decline because your guides are telling you that they didn't want to help this person? No, no.
01:14:20
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But I'm also mindful of not forcing my sessions on anybody who is not willing, kind of throwing interest, you know. Even like my husband, he hasn't had a session by me up until now.
01:14:33
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Because I offered, I explained to him, he's like, yeah, yeah, let's do it, let's do it. But then I see that we are kind of not setting up a time and he's not You know, he he wants to do it because he wants to support me, but not because he believes that may not his problems will be solved in that way, right? We we have very different worldviews. Like he supports what I'm doing. We don't like fight on that basis or anything. But I also know that those kind of sessions where I'm forcing it on somebody, it's it's going to be useless.
01:15:06
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They they're probably not going to, take my guides are not going to decline working with that person. I don't think they would. But I don't think that the person would get much out of it. Like I had, for example, one of my friends, you know, her life is great.
01:15:19
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Honestly, her life is great. Like if you see her, like she she is she's shining, you know, even if you see her in a group photo with women, you will notice her like she's the one always shining the most, you know, like she has a yeah great family, she has a job that she loves, she's she's she has a good health, you know, she's looking good. Like honestly, she doesn't have any major kind of issue in her life.
01:15:42
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And she has some, you know, day to day things to worry about as all of us, but it's not kind of anything that's detracting from her happiness. So, and and she is very also i amm kind of interested in these subjects that i work with and I talk about. And she was like, oh, Erica, let's do a session. Like I want to experience what you're doing, you know, and and we set that up set up a time and we had to postpone it three times.
01:16:08
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And the first time I didn't contact her again to remind her that we set up a time because I understood that this person doesn't need this. Okay? Yeah. She is just curious.
01:16:19
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She just wants to support me as a friend, but honestly, there's nothing that she needs to address right now, you know? And in this case, I'm not going to force it again.
01:16:28
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Yeah. I just was kind of curious because, you know, you you hear about some of those things where, you know I'm just not feeling like they're accepting, so you know maybe we're not going to through.
01:16:42
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you know and So I'm just kind of curious that whether your guides would be like, nope, we're we're shutting this down. This person's not going to... We're not even going to try with this one. or One of the... I guess this goes back to psychic mediums and and that where...
01:17:06
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you know they would say oh well i don't want to talk to this person this person's giving off bad energy i don't want to you know but then again that goes to my belief in 99 of psychic mediums are full of crap so Yeah, but I mean, hasn't happened.
01:17:26
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Because I believe, yeah, if we actually did reach the point of where we are sitting down in a session that, you know, all things aligned and they found me and I reached out and we agreed on a time and nothing,
01:17:38
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happened to interrupt that, that okay, that's meant to happen, let's let's do this. But I've had cases of people kind of, ah how to say, like, not that they don't agree with my approach, but that they,
01:17:53
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kind of don't hear me, you know? I've had like maybe just a couple of cases that they don't hear me and what I'm trying to explain to them. And they kind of ah are living in this paradigm where healing is that somebody comes and fixes everything for you.
01:18:11
Speaker
And in this energy healing and soul healing, it's absolutely not how that works. I cannot come inside and fix everything for you. I can give you the tools, the explanations. Like I'll tell you the next step in but in great detail. I always, you know, explain it very carefully. Like this is the thing that you need to focus on in this way. is how you do it, right? So it's it's not vague.
01:18:33
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It's not vague that you don't know what to do now after this session. So you have steps to follow. But you have to do them. I'm not going to do them for you or nobody else going to do them for you. So I've had these cases of people come to me with their questions and after that they're kind of not happy with the outcome because they feel I didn't resolve the problem that they have accumulated in many years in this lifetime and probably many more years in the past lifetimes and they want me to solve it in one hour.
01:19:04
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It's not going to happen. So you see like... it It's not going to... You see like technically I know, I haven't done it myself, but I know in theory that it is possible, for example, for an energy healer or a group of energy healers to focus their healing on, for example, let's say like cancer, somebody has a cancer, okay?
01:19:30
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And they focus their energy, they heal it and... um and it it has been recorded the cases where that cancer is shrinking or like they achieve full healing.
01:19:42
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But what I've heard from more experienced energy healers that in this case, what has happened is not that that problem has been vanished into so thin air and it has been evaporated, what has usually happens, not usually, but this is kind of a law of energy, that you are transferring that onto yourself as a healer.
01:20:07
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It might show up in different ways, not as a cancer, it might show up as something else. But if that problem is truly like ah with the energy and soul cause, not just like a physical, you know, if I cut my hand, I need to go to the doctor to fix that. It's it's purely physical cause and consequence. So this is another case. But what I'm working is with, we have problems inside of us at the energy and the soul level, right? so if and and And some of them can manifest in the physical body if they're reaching that kind of threshold of,
01:20:39
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yeah you know of that intensity, right? So the body's also sending you signals because it's all connected. So if you're kind of taking that problem out of this person, for example, that manifested in cancer, you are taking that energy onto yourself.
01:20:56
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And now it's gonna maybe manifest in some other ways, maybe in a lighter form, maybe you know it's gonna be distributed between that group of channels or whatever, but still it will have to be dealt with.
01:21:08
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Okay? Nothing can be... vanished out into the thin air. It can be only like transmuted and transformed. That's why, for example, if I explain to you that the root cause of your poor sleep is in this issue and this behavior and this pattern that you have.
01:21:27
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So you have to take that problem, that problematic energy, vibrational energy and start working with it to turn it into more high vibrational energy, right? We're changing it. we're not We're not kind of, how you say, like creeping it out or anything like that.
01:21:45
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You understand the idea? so that's why I'm... Everybody's issues and and start dealing with them. I don't need that in my life. Well, it's kind of like the TV trope that, you know, in some of these shows like Supernatural, where in order to bring a life back, a life has to be taken. it has to balance out. So, you know, what what I'm thinking you're saying is, so in order to remove this from this person, it has to like absorb into somebody. yeah It doesn't just go away.
01:22:23
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Yeah, that energy is still present in this physical plane, in this physical world, right? We didn't yeah banish it. to We just, okay. I don't know. That would make me not want to do it.
01:22:36
Speaker
You mean ah to be an energy healer or to go as a... Yeah, no, because I'm mindful of that, right? So I'm mindful. I always kind of close things properly. i cut off the channel. I don't...
01:22:48
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stay connected to all of the people I encounter, you know, because yeah i don't want that as well. Of course, I want to be safe and happy and healthy. Well, and I can see it from both sides. I wouldn't want somebody to take on what I'm dealing with.
01:23:04
Speaker
So it's like, okay, I understand getting healed, but I don't want you then to have to take a form of it Yeah. Just for to feel better it. But think people, like, that particular person I heard this case from, like, they didn't even understand it themselves at the time. Only, like, through years and experience they started to understand what's happening, right? So it's kind of, I get the benefit of their experience, but they had to learn it the hard way.
01:23:34
Speaker
Yeah, that's crazy. Now, i just got a couple more things for you and then we'll let you go because we're we're at about hour 23 here. So yeah I don't want to keep you too, too long. You mentioned like past life stuff. So I'm assuming that also means that you're into like reincarnation where, you know, you're just, you're the same soul. You just enter different vessels.
01:24:00
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Yes, yes, yes. so So it's not something that I grew up with that or that was taught to me or something. I didn't have yeah kind of any religion pretty much growing up. It's all my beliefs that I have now formed in my twenties, you know, like, through my own exploration. So yes, I do believe now absolutely in the past lives and that we do reincarnate because every lifetime gives us an opportunity to work on a different aspect of our spiritual qualities. So you know, the purpose, the overarching purpose of anybody's life in the physical world is to develop spiritual qualities.
01:24:41
Speaker
It's okay absolutely for everybody. But what particular quality you're working on in this lifetime that's unique to you? Like I cannot just tell you off the bat and also I didn't know about myself for a long time. It took me a while to kind of cover that as well. what What is it that I'm here after?
01:25:02
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um So all of the kind of physical physical circumstances of our life and the body we chose and the family we chose and the country and a lot of a lot of things are designed to allow us opportunity to develop those qualities.
01:25:22
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You understand? Yeah. So it's by choice. It's by choice. So when people say, oh, i didn't choose my parents. You did. You did choose your parents. You did your choose your parents. Or people say like, oh, you don't choose your gender. You did choose your gender already once. Like, so, you know, okay.
01:25:39
Speaker
Take, take your, Right, but that also kind kind of leads into the whole a non-binary thing because, you know, the reincarnation you can be...
01:25:52
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you can be your soul is non-binary, but you choose what your your, your, your soul chooses what it wants to be in the next life. Yes. Yes. That's a whole nother conversation though. It is, but you have to understand that, uh, you see, if I chose to have a female body in this,
01:26:15
Speaker
life it's because also it had that maybe it allowed me to experience the things I needed to experience to gain the experience, to gain, okay, I'm repeating myself, to gain those qualities, to have the opportunity to develop on them. So rather than if I'm like kind of running from that experience of being a woman, then I'm blocking myself in a way, you understand? Because it's it's definitely by design.
01:26:40
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So yes, the soul doesn't have a gender, But by having this physical life where we have the female and the male, it gives us more opportunities for different situations to come up, right?
01:26:58
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And as so as as well, like by being... you know by being born in different countries, in different religions, in different cultures, just on this earth, what is the variety of experiences that you can already have? And then think that about the variety that is added by the existence of all of these other planets with intelligent life. that's you know It's infinite.
01:27:22
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But also is... um you know, we have all of these many lives because like theory is kind of easy, right? For example, if I read all of the books about heart surgery, would you give me to have ah do a heart surgery for you? You wouldn't, right? Because the theory and practice are two very different things. So it's the same idea, like the spirits that kind of know or understand or in a theory,
01:27:51
Speaker
they know like what does it mean to be like to treat everybody equally or to be generous or to a love person unconditionally. you know kind of It sounds great in theory, but when you actually do it in practice, it turns out to be a lot harder, right?
01:28:07
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And you have to truly become a person who sees everybody equally, not just say that you do, but you actually embody that idea, right? So those are very different things.
01:28:21
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yeah i just actually had that conversation with somebody the other day that you know just because you can get a certified in something or you read about something doesn't mean i'm going to trust you in that in that distinction we were we were talking about you know what what uh oh what was the actual term we used that jobs that required certain things, you know, you don't need all that schooling for this job, you just gotta to be certified in it.
01:28:58
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And my example was, that's great. But if you're on trial for your life, are you going to hire the guy that just read a bunch of books and was able to pass the bar?
01:29:12
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Or are you going to hire the guy that went to school for eight to 10 years, studied at a law firm? You know, are you going to trust that guy to defend you? Or are you going to trust the other guy that maybe knows what he's doing? Yeah, exactly. it's the same idea, right?
01:29:30
Speaker
So the past life, like, You can explore them. I've done a deep dive. I don't say that everybody has to do it the way I did it. I was just like really interested in the topic. So maybe now,
01:29:43
Speaker
I know maybe over 20 different past lives of mine to a different degree, you know, and it a lot of them did offer me insight into my current relationships. You know why, for example, I had a different one of like seven years ago when I told you, one of the things that I found very difficult was my relationship with my mom but because it was like so confusing. It it defied logic. I knew she loves me and she supports me. She has always supported me in all the major decisions in my life, even when they're very unconventional, let's say, right?
01:30:15
Speaker
But then when we are talking about daily things, like a small things, like she would just give me like, a you know, like the the meanest so WhatsApp messages, voice notes about like my daily things, predicting that, you know, I'm going to mess up my kids and everything's to explode. ah And i would you know I would need two days just to recover from that thing she told me, right? Because it's your mom. You take it seriously. Take it close to your heart.
Past Lives and Ancestral Connections
01:30:40
Speaker
So I was like, what is happening? and and And it would be like throughout our lives that we kind of
01:30:47
Speaker
In the major things, yes, i know she loves me, she supports me, she has always like done everything for the kids, but then we would not get along if we are you know in the same space in a tight quarters for much long very long time. you know Our relationship actually improved by me living abroad. like I don't live in the same country I was born in.
01:31:06
Speaker
So was like, what is happening here? So when I actually studied and understood how complicated is our past life history, that we've done a lot of bad stuff for each other to the point of causing each other's death in some lifetimes.
01:31:24
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Okay? So that is coloring how we see each other now, even if we don't remember those events. But at the soul level, you kind of read that energy, you remember you have those memories, you know. That's why it's...
01:31:38
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it's um it's difficult for us to be like maybe 100% open to each other with all of our things that are going on with our lives, because we just have this kind of screen you know in front of ours that she doesn't she doesn't see me objectively and I don't see her objectively, right? Because of all that baggage that we're carrying. So it's actually better for us. Yes, definitely I keep in touch with my mom and I don't advertise cutting off anybody from your life, especially your family, right?
01:32:10
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But um I'm just mindful of that. I'm mindful of the things that I share and how I talk to about it and the things that I just let it slide and you know I don't engage in the discussions. And it has helped me a lot. has helped me a lot. you know Our relationship is different. So this is just one example, but I have a lot of stories like that just by exploring my past lives. That's why I'm also such a firm believer, right? Because once you experience seeing kind of your past lives,
01:32:39
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And and and that that moment when it absolutely lands in your consciousness that, yes, this makes so much sense, I understand why I'm seeing that. Again, about the past lives, you will always see what you're meant to see in that moment, what is in your best interest.
01:32:53
Speaker
Only that memory will be revealed to you, you know? That's why it's so magical and so helpful after, because it just answers something that you're struggling with. right now in your life. And so once that once that lands, it's like it's like, wow, wow, you know, you can make decisions in a different way. You can see the life in different way. Again, it takes time to integrate that knowledge, but it's been truly helpful. And I've seen that happen also with my clients, you know, when I'm story sometimes when i'm doing the session sometimes if the root causes in a past life then i'm able to see what is the story behind that and once i tell them that they're like oh my god like you know like i've had people like cry and just like totally like it just changed how they see their life in that moment and they also how they can make decisions after that right it's very powerful yeah i've you in in a way i've always wanted to
01:33:51
Speaker
I do, but I don't want to do a past life regression, as they call it, just because one thing that I've always heard about it is if you're born with a birthmark or an issue, that's usually how you died in a previous life.
01:34:10
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and That's what I've heard on stuff. so And so, you know, like if you have a birthmark on your chest, you know, maybe you were run through with a sword or you were shot or you had a heart attack or that's how you passed on from a previous.
01:34:29
Speaker
So mine was always I have a mole that I've had since I was born right here above the earmark. And it's just always like,
01:34:41
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that would be an interesting thing to figure out why that specific birthmark was mine. yeah So... Yeah, I see.
01:34:54
Speaker
Honestly, I wouldn't advise you to go into a past life regression if that is the question you want to address, right? Whenever you do a past life regression, it has to be, you know, a bit deeper than that.
01:35:07
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, you know It has to have an intention. So yeah, if you have something that you can count resolve with a family member or, you know, something in your life is kind of defying logic or you just really feel like the answer is somewhere within that past life. Sometimes it can be about the health. you know i've I've read about the cases where you know people have some mysterious pain in their legs and it turns out it's like their memory from the past life where something bad had happened to their leg. you know I haven't encountered that myself and in just kind of physical physical sense.
01:35:44
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But yeah if if if you feel cold at some point and you have a question that you want to address, yeah why not? you know We have to follow our curiosity. It's also part of our intuition.
01:35:56
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you know Sometimes I was just curious about different books or people and stuff and it led me to good places. That's why I've always wanted to believe in being able to contact the other side just because I'm a genealogist. I love to do family tree stuff.
01:36:15
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And so it's always one of those things. Well, I don't know what happened to this person. It would be great to be able to find somebody who could actually channel that person.
01:36:26
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But then, like I said, you go back to it and you hear Well, you know, I'm seeing the color red. Well, I don't care about the color red. You know, give me a sentence here, you know, give me give me something on that. But, you know,
01:36:43
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i've had If you find the right person, you can definitely use that approach. I've had my mom research our geology tree where we had some mysterious people disappear within our family and our ancestors, and she was able to reconstruct their stories through using this kind of, not through me, but through other people she came across.
01:37:03
Speaker
Yeah, so it was was interesting. Yeah, there's one and on my dad's side of the family that there's a three times great grandmother that I can track her to a certain point.
01:37:17
Speaker
And then there's like a four year gap. And then in the 1900 census, the great grandfather is a widower. So what happened between those four years, you know, and then there's a one that I would just love to know the story behind that.
01:37:37
Speaker
there was a great uncle that was an ice cutter and that was just they would go out onto the river cut ice out blocks out and that kind of thing and he went out it was late at night and he went out there were two guys working he went out of the shack to go have a smoke whatever and he took too long and the guy went out to find look for him and he was face down in the river and nobody knows what happened to him and everybody in the family always said that there was something not right about the situation and yeah i see and they they found like his
01:38:25
Speaker
cigarettes his lighter his all this stuff sitting on the bank where he would have been sitting but he was face down in the river.
01:38:36
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So it it always ah it it always was a of mystery. you know They claimed it was an accident. Well, if it was an accident, why was all this stuff sitting on you know right where he would be sitting? So that kind of thing. But we're at about an hour 40.
01:38:56
Speaker
i think I've taken up enough of your time. Yeah, it's been a good conversation. I appreciate you for coming on. i know, you know, it's always you you never know what you're going to get when you put up the request for guests on Reddit. You know, you never who know who you're going to talk and who's all that stuff.
How to Connect with the Guest
01:39:15
Speaker
But why don't you tell the people where they can find you and, you know, if they decide they they would like to book a session with you.
01:39:23
Speaker
Yes, so I have my website which is just my first name and my last name.com, erikazogla.com. So it has all the information about the sessions, even more than maybe I discussed now. It also has the testimonials, all of them are real.
01:39:40
Speaker
legit people who had a chance to work with me. And also there is a chance to book it straight there on the website. And I also have my Instagram page, which again, it's just my first name and last name.
01:39:53
Speaker
It's there but the the name for the Instagram, the Instagram handle, right? So there I've shared some information that has been given to me by my guides.
01:40:05
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not Not all of it, but you can yeah get some ideas of their perspective on their life and worldview. You can also reach out to me there.
01:40:18
Speaker
And for the audio only, it's spelled e R I K A Z O G L A. So just find her at her spots and her website.
Podcast Conclusion and Engagement
01:40:29
Speaker
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01:40:36
Speaker
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01:40:58
Speaker
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01:41:14
Speaker
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