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59: Gal Pals in the Apocalypse
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🤖 Robots start to power down ⬇️ as zombies rise up from the ground! 🪦⬆️
For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- Weeks in Snap 🫰
- 🔦 Last Week Card Vibes 💸 Jocasta doing business
- ⚡High Voltage 14: No Prizes, No Problem! 😎
- 1️⃣2️⃣ October Card Ratings 3️⃣4️⃣
- Secret Homework 🤫: Watch Marvel Zombies 🧟🧟🧟
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Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap
- 0:20:25 Warlock
- 0:21:08 Jocasta
- 0:30:31 Super-Adaptoid
- 0:34:10 High Voltage
- 0:36:45 October Card Ratings
- 1:35:43 Secret Homework: Marvel Zombies
- 1:49:47 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 1:51:47 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
Introduction to Episode 59
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to episode 59 of Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. I'm your host, Lauren Wadavs, here with my usual amazing co-hosts.
Spider-Gwen Discussion
00:00:09
Speaker
First up, Rhi, how was your week in Snap?
00:00:12
Speaker
And keep it snappy. That's nice of you to call me amazing. I'm saying. Oh, you are. Tell it like it is. Okay. I know it was in passing, but it is the day that I am behind on my bullshit, so it's extra nice to hear. Anyway, ah but that makes sense ah spiritually because I was reading the latest Spider-Gwen.
00:00:37
Speaker
was once again just into issue two of a new ah run of Spider-Gwen. So, um you know So I was relating to her.
00:00:49
Speaker
about Spider-Gwen. One is that's like her name is just Spider-Gwen because when she started... Because, like, she was never meant to be a protagonist, right? That's why I relate to her. She was like a fridged woman. She was a victim. She was Gwen Stacy.
00:01:05
Speaker
Her whole point existence was to cause suffering for a man, you know, as written by a man. oh man. Okay, if you've ever read Spider-Man Blue, um that's where I learned that I...
00:01:20
Speaker
Have you? is where I learned I don't actually... This was a while ago, right? Like, this was like... It's old. Yeah, yeah I when was all excited and then I came out and I was like, oh, I don't actually like Jeff Loeb at all. I just really liked him saleser.
00:01:36
Speaker
Anyway, ah that's my thoughts in Spider-Man Blue. Anyway, ah yeah, no. So Gwen Stacy, right? Like ah she is, you know, she's a victim and she's like, OK,
Marvel Comics Insights
00:01:49
Speaker
though. So but what if randomly in some random collection i wasn't dead and i had a cool pink hood and everyone was like, yes, pretty cool.
00:02:01
Speaker
But she's never, even saw like a meme on Reddit or something the other day that was just like, aw man, ghost spider. Cause like that's her name. She was originally spider woman, but like there's um there's there's already a spider woman. Or three probably than Yeah, exactly.
00:02:17
Speaker
Right. There's already, there's a lot of spiders in um you know, she wasn't all, so like eventually she became ghost spider, but her latest issue, it's back to spider Gwen. Most her most stickiest or stickiest of titles. Anyway,
00:02:32
Speaker
um lost my train of thought. But this is but that's her. She's she's always a step behind. Oh, the meme. Sorry. On Reddit was just like, oh, I saw Ghostbiter and she looks so cool. And then I read it, read her comics. And i'm like, what is this garbage? It's kind of the sentiment of the the meme. It was it was more condensed.
00:02:52
Speaker
I made it longer in paraphrasing. But, like, yeah. But, like, it makes sad because they're kind of not wrong. best... Her comics, like, at best have been mid, and I've gotten all of them. I stopped getting her very first run, like, a couple issues before it ended.
00:03:08
Speaker
But then since I picked up everyone... And the best of them are mid, but I want to be there when she gets when she gets her story. That's her struggle, right?
00:03:19
Speaker
Someone that was never supposed to exist for her own person, other than to be a pretty face that died early and young. So I'm going to like, ah but she was so pretty, though. Like that makes her more valuable in some respects.
00:03:32
Speaker
And her death more tragic. um You know, and she's still... And the thing, like, I like, though, about her character
Marvel Snap Deck Strategies
00:03:39
Speaker
that they have gotten... She does have a character that has come across in the comics, even if the storylines and the plots haven't been the best.
00:03:47
Speaker
And then she is just, like, struggling to get her bullshit together, Which is so good, right? Like, look, that right? That used to be Silk. That used to be, like, that's a spider thing, right? It's spider thing that you're young and you just do not have your shit together.
00:04:04
Speaker
But, like, Parker's, like, running his own companies. Now it's like, i just won't even try and catch you up when been happening to Peter Parker. I give a big old... Yeah, right, but he moved on to Corp.
00:04:18
Speaker
Because he grew up, you know what mean? can't stay forever. And everyone's got their stuff, but she can barely stay... I think he should stay broke forever, though. That's how I feel. I feel that Peter Parker should always be broke. They would turn him to broke.
00:04:33
Speaker
He's currently semi-broke again. can be old, he just has to stay broke. Right. So... so So Gwen is, like, barely in the band. She's constantly at threat of getting, like, kicked out of her own, like, garage band. It's not incredibly successful with the Mary Jane. And, like, nobody really thinks she should be superheroing.
00:05:00
Speaker
Like, you know, like, I don't know. Like, you should be out there, which I always kind of appreciate, right? Like, you know, because, like, who does have...
00:05:12
Speaker
haven't done this together enough to go superheroing. um you know, one day she'll get ah she'll get a good story. It's just another day.
00:05:24
Speaker
Currently, though, the latest thing she did they gave her an infinity cube, which is kind of like, What are they doing? It's like when they make random people heralds of Galactus. Like, oh, okay. Did you run out of ideas? What are we doing here? Yeah. And like, ah, and she has Infinity Cube. And so Loki's taking her around to convince her. It's like, okay. And then there's the TVA. Okay.
00:05:51
Speaker
But the whole point of the Infinity Cube is what she does at the end of her last run. She rewrites herself into the 616, the main Marvel universe, from her alternate universe, like with her dad.
00:06:09
Speaker
Mom's still gone.
00:06:12
Speaker
Yeah, like Miles got his mom back. It's so funny. Don't be greedy. yeah Right? And I kind of, when I read it, was like, of course, of course, because everyone has to exist in the main universe.
00:06:24
Speaker
But it's kind of funny because like I've said before how like they had that whole big crossover to blow up the ultimate universe and save just Miles. Just Miles from the whole ultimate universe.
00:06:35
Speaker
Because it's like, oh, we love Miles. We love him. And better yet, he even gets his mom back. Yay, Miles. Yeah. And like Gwen fucking Stacy was like, nah, guess what?
00:06:47
Speaker
I mean, I mean, now bitches, I did it myself with this cube that I shouldn't have and can barely control. And that's what she did with it. Anyway, funny.
00:06:58
Speaker
ah So, yeah. Gwen Stacy. Okay, anyway, longer than I meant to about Spider-Gwen. Okay, what I've been up to, I've played more Existential Dread. I wanted to experiment with some Red Guardian and some other stuff in the Cassandra Nova spot.
00:07:16
Speaker
Existential Dread being my ah the Wiccan... ah Galactus First Steps deck. But the problem is I put him in and then I kept running into Irish Shems and stuff. I'm like, well, if the situation calls for Cassandra Nova, so it is. Enough people running Kangs, running Irish Shems lately that I can't take her out.
00:07:42
Speaker
She demands to be in.
00:07:46
Speaker
So what I have been doing ah for fun is I sometimes when I do when I'm feeling uninspired, but I've defaulted to more Marvel snap because my brain is too small to think outside The purple snap is a moment.
00:08:03
Speaker
Scroll down my list of cards and be like, what do I want to play? Usually it's like, what what's what's Kitty Pryde? What's the auto deck for Kitty Pryde? But anyway, this time I saw Nebula and I was like, mmm. And I do, I have an ink Nebula with green.
00:08:19
Speaker
Crackle that I've recently given a green cosmic border to. And I'm like, yes, please, i would like to play Nebula. And it auto-mode me this, like, Storm Legion deck. That's everything. That is everything. Okay, I thought I would play Destroyer because Destroyer got buffed, you know?
00:08:40
Speaker
And I have my whole, like, Gundam deck. But, like, but no. The fun thing to is, like, pair Electro up with Lockjaw and blink.
00:08:53
Speaker
Because, like, you know, you cover both sides of it there, you know? Lockjaw before blink the turn after. And, like, storm legioning people is still so fun. And it's like, when you get it's like you earned it People can't be mad. I mean, I muted them, so I can't see the mean things they're saying at me anyway.
00:09:15
Speaker
But it's like, you have to play Storm, and then War Machine, and then, like, Legion on the, you know, on the Storm location to get it now. It's not just free. It's like, those cards, that exact order, um you know.
00:09:32
Speaker
um man. Once someone, like... They like Scarlet Witched my storm location and snapped me because they thought they were being all clever. and it's like, you saw the storm and you didn't think I was going to put Legion down after Wormachine on the location that says you can't play here after turn five.
00:09:54
Speaker
You fool! Okay, sorry. Legion is just so much fun, especially with War Machine and all the locations that it just, like, locks you out and you're like, nah, it's just free for me. um Right? Still makes an Ebony Maw playable Jubilees here. It's got Galactus First Steps. It's got Infinite. It's just been...
00:10:14
Speaker
It's just been fun. That's what I've been doing. didn't think I haven't. This is my first time playing Lockjaw in like forever, to be honest. ah And he there's a lot of good hits in there.
00:10:28
Speaker
Yeah. Um, that's what I've been up to. um it's, I can't stop playing this. It's fun. Mostly on ladder because I like, i like the surprise of it.
Weekly Updates & Game Mechanics
00:10:40
Speaker
Legion's more fun for me when they don't know about them.
00:10:44
Speaker
Uh, so, yeah. Um, I yield i yield my weekend snap. Hey, other co-host, Ben, how was your weekend snap? And keep it snappy.
00:10:56
Speaker
Well, endeavoring to keep it snappy, as I so often at least, you know, gesture at. um That's the endeavor part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, maybe.
00:11:09
Speaker
Sometimes I don't even think I'm truly endeavoring, but maybe maybe i'll muster some this week. Only nominally. So in the spirit of snappiness, it was a very snappy week, which is to say it wasn't even quite a week. We're recording a little early this week, so it hasn't been so many days.
00:11:25
Speaker
And much of my days have been spent ah playing Well, not not entire days, but sometimes long stretches of day have been spent playing Hades 2.
00:11:36
Speaker
i started a fresh file and got all the way to the credits in three sessions of streaming. And I played some more of it besides.
00:11:47
Speaker
And ah still a real fun game. Also, still after you resolve things... just as in Hades one, there's a very, very flimsy reason why, uh, you can, you can still keep going and doing all the things. Uh, I, won I won't, won't spoil anything, but, um, you know,
00:12:09
Speaker
You'll still want to. That's that's my guess. After you've you've rolled credits, you'll be like, well, i would I would like to do some more of that, please. And there is more of that for you to do. ah So that's that's always that's always great. I also played some Marvel Snap.
00:12:23
Speaker
I did, indeed, as I threatened to last week, ah pick up Warlock, but I only did so this morning. um so that I could get the weekend missions done. And I'm not usually ah fan of the auto deck thing, but inspired by my co-hosts who, you know, they do it and they're cool and they seem to have fun.
00:12:47
Speaker
I went out with a lot of time. What was that? Look, I only have so much time. It's true. that That was my justification. i i didn't have time for a lot of things that I would have liked to have time for this week. I had to do some traveling for medical care and stuff.
00:13:03
Speaker
Anywho, anywho, built Auto Warlock and... Damn, that deck was winning some games, especially when I, like, paid attention, ah because there were some games where i was, uh, doing other things, like watching the first episode of Marvel Zombies, and, um,
00:13:22
Speaker
Wow, i sure was I sure was playing Titania on turn one like a like a doofus from time to time, just like because I was not looking at what was actually happening.
00:13:33
Speaker
So like I was retreating for one cube from a lot of games, but the games where I was paying attention, I was tending to get a lot more cubes than that, so I'll tell you what's in Auto Warlock. ah That's Sunspot, Rocket Raccoon, Quinjet, HydroBob!
00:13:46
Speaker
Titania, Black Swan, Hitmonkey, Warlock, Hope, Summer's Gwenpool, Boongirl, and She-Hulk. And... um You know, i i do find it frustrating when She-Hulk is soaking up a bunch of discount points that she didn't need because she was going to get discounted anyway.
00:14:06
Speaker
It is frustrating. i don't know. Deck still seems to work. Oh, my gosh. I was up a bunch of SP. i I don't know what everybody else is doing wrong. Warlock seems fine. um That's, again, that's just from...
00:14:21
Speaker
a relatively brief amount of play, but like, dang, the the deck when I was actually doing the things that you're supposed to do. Wow. ah it It feels good to make a big old hit monkey and also like play a bunch of like one nines and stuff. It's I was using Black Swan getting getting value.
00:14:41
Speaker
I was I was as surprised as you are. Never thought I'd. Yeah, I have not historically been a fan of, honestly, any of the versions of Black Swan. um You know, sometimes in private, to myself, I've called her Wax Swan. I know, and know.
00:14:57
Speaker
Uncharitable. can't believe you. um But, anywho, anywho, that was pretty fun. i I got my my wins, and I kept playing it a little bit just ah just for kicks, because, honestly, it's it's good for me to play these unfamiliar cards and to teach myself not to play Titania on one.
00:15:15
Speaker
um I mean, like not that I would do it any time I was thinking about it, but like i play a lot of Marvel Snap with less than my full attention. So it's good to get good habits. That's what I say.
00:15:28
Speaker
um Another deck that I played today with ah Oh, I guess I can't talk about that because it's got new cards in it and I'll talk about it later. It's forbidden.
00:15:40
Speaker
This time, i built another auto deck, but I modified this one. And ah by modified, I mean took out Red Guardian and put Super Adaptoid in for science. um So I've played the new cards, and I'm excited to talk about those.
00:15:56
Speaker
um i'm sure Oh, I did. the i I put Fib Vision in a move deck. uh, that was preexisting, but I haven't had time to test that. So I don't know if she's actually gonna be good there. Otherwise, if i had tested it, I would tell you all about it, but I just haven't tested it. So, uh, I can vouch for it.
00:16:17
Speaker
Any other exciting things in my week in snap? No, no, Lauren, I need to know what's, what's, what's new with your snapping week.
00:16:28
Speaker
So today is when we get our collector series four pack. Did either of you get anything out of it besides 2000 tokens? 2000 tokens. 2000 tokens. I assume it's because... Didn't realize you two collector series four complete.
00:16:43
Speaker
Yep. Because that's what I realized because I only need seasonal ones, right? So that's why I didn't get one. Okay, sad. Yeah. I was expecting to get a card though, so it was sad.
00:16:55
Speaker
I intended to have a hole in my Series 4 collection, ah ah Nicholas Scratch and Jennifer Kale-shaped hole. But then there was that time earlier when I forgot that the Seasonal Series 4 packs go back a month further than the Seasonal Series 5s. And I ended up catching them all by accident.
00:17:15
Speaker
And... ah Well, now I have them all. Hurrah. It's not a big deal. Like, the Collector Series 4 pack costs 2,000 tokens. It gives you 2,000 tokens if you have every card.
00:17:25
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, i'm not I'm not complaining about getting this fallback. its that's That's a third of a Series 5 card right there. I did in today's series five pack to get Jocasta. I did also get super adaptoid in the same pack. It's the first time I've had two cards in one pack. Thank you ease pity timers.
00:17:45
Speaker
um So that was kind of cool. Made me wonder if I should do the series four first. But I think when I did the math before they were, it was basically a wash. Didn't really matter which one you prioritized. um And I assume that hasn't changed.
00:17:58
Speaker
I have played so much less snap, which is not to say that there's anything against snap right now, but to say that I was playing so much when diner was active. I miss diner. I miss stakes free mode. That's not proving grounds or high voltage. Like I,
00:18:18
Speaker
I hope that they learn something from that. I hope that the majority of the player base agrees with me. I don't think that ranked mode should necessarily go to asymmetrical snaps or like you only snap for yourself.
00:18:29
Speaker
No, I don't think so either. Like, I think that that kind of ruins the competitive integrity of the game. But but I would be so okay with a permanent mode that was, I don't know, it's just like...
00:18:42
Speaker
So much more chill, even though there were still definitely rude emotes in Diner. It's just like, I don't know. It's easier to brush off, be like, look, I really genuinely don't care. Which i I extensively use my Dazzler vibes emote.
00:18:56
Speaker
I use it all the time. I retreat when people play Kingpin and then they play Sassy Deadpool and I'm like vibes. um And, you know, that's that's all I send. Just a single, let them know I'm just vibing.
00:19:10
Speaker
But do you think they could populate your chill mode without the incentive of the ridiculous rewards for the nachos? like Do you think there would be enough humans? I mean, like are you content to play chill mode against robots?
00:19:24
Speaker
I do think that there would be plenty of humans who play it, but that would hurt the population of ranked mode. And so I understand why they may not want to do that. Because ranked mode can be unranked if you just don't care.
00:19:37
Speaker
Don't care? Yeah. Yeah. um don't know i've seen a lot of rhetoric lately about like the bots being too hard and the climb to infinite being really unpleasant i haven't had that experience too much i've had like one or two months that were rough ish rougher than usual but mostly i just find it to be a chore i'm like why are we still doing
New Cards in Marvel Snap
00:20:00
Speaker
this every single month like let me just get to the fun part of the game and so in that way i think that it would be worth revisiting a little bit and considering what that looks like.
00:20:12
Speaker
um Otherwise, preparing for Jocasta Clips, because finally we have a Loren card. It's been a while. I thought Warlock was gonna be more of a Loren card, and he still might prove to be.
00:20:24
Speaker
ah That's a smooth point to transition into last week's cards. Do you have any new thoughts on Warlock or Danger?
00:20:34
Speaker
That weren't already shared. Does he sign in his own... day yeah Like, you know, like with She-Hulk and all that, but I think yeah we all thought he was going to be a little more universal than if feels like he is.
00:20:48
Speaker
was so hard. haven't tried him with Procaster yet. I think there's time for him to... get get more work you know find more more things to do that's what i think very excited to try in with jocasta i'll i'll tell you next week when we are reviewing when we are holding a retrospective on jocasta i'll tell you if i got to try that i will endeavor to We're all endeavoring over here.
00:21:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's endeavorous. Jocasta, our Series 5 card on this fifth week of the season. A Activate. Immediately activate your other cards here without using up their activate abilities.
00:21:34
Speaker
i we're recording on the day she dropped but i did probably play with her for an hour or two and she's super fun and i love her and i'm trying to do silly things with her like using two or three to cast us by the way three fast forwards the game which is very frustrating two is four extra procs three is 15 extra procs which is what i was expecting but it's nice to have that confirmed um
00:21:58
Speaker
you can do really really stupid stuff with fifteen I bet you can. Like, frocking Omega Sentinel 15 times. Your opponent just has three negative lanes. like of So that's been fun.
00:22:13
Speaker
um But I have noticed that even when I only get one or two Jocasses out, she's still kind of a menace in some decks. I'm playing her with Sparky and a Human Torch Tribunal thing, and I'm playing her ah in Invisible Woman. Holy smoke, she's busted there, because every time you double Invisible Woman is another double.
00:22:31
Speaker
right like yeah it's way better than that prodigy business that's my case is it's like 10 invisible is like 10 end of turn procs which is just tons too many it's so much i i will be interested to see if they have to balance this card because there's ways you can stop it right like cosmic ghost writers have been uh raining on my parade today but if you let me do the table it's scary I feel like I've noticed people getting smart because I've been playing a lot of Cosmic Ghost Rider in Existential Dread, which is very much a spoil your fun, you know, stardust Cosmic Ghost Rider kind of stuff.
00:23:12
Speaker
I've noticed people started getting smarter about playing... They're valuable cards in the back row about saving it more than I feel like they used to. Like they stack up little dinky cards in row one. people People are cosmic aware. Dang.
00:23:31
Speaker
I'm like, do I need to get a Cosmo? But then Prodigy won't work. Yeah. Too greedy. But that's the nature of it.
00:23:42
Speaker
Totally. And if they ruin my fun on five, I retreat. they have to wait until six to ruin my fun. But if I've got priority, then it's too late. And I don't know. I think she is going to be a problem in some places like end of turn.
00:23:56
Speaker
Yeah. hi unfortunately I, played with her for an hour or two also. yeah? I wasn't really drawing her much. I drew super adaptoid every game, but Jocasta, I was drawing on six a lot, and she doesn't do anything when that happens.
00:24:13
Speaker
ah You draw her on six, that's not anything. But I tried not to hold it against her, because sometimes you can play for a couple hours, and you don't draw the card very much.
00:24:25
Speaker
But... I don't know if I played for a couple hours, but like hour and a half. I don't know. Point is long enough that it was statistically ah i unusual that that I was not seeing like any to play with.
00:24:40
Speaker
But I'm glad you brought up the timing thing. It does feel good. You have to have to cast it earlier, but it does feel good to play an activate card on six and have it still be able to actually get some juice. Yeah.
00:24:53
Speaker
Yeah. I think she's here to stay. i wanted her because she is like, she's like, uh, like Sue, Sue too. Um, she's like an archetype definer, right? She's, she creates an activate archetype out of all the activate cards. And, and I was like, you know, I can't be collection complete anymore. I don't have enough tokens, but I'm like, okay, we, we roll and we hope.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yeah. and I didn't I got her I'm so excited haven't gotten to play her yet but then then I went and I'm like okay well we got her and it's like it feels like I really need Omega Sentinel because that's activate and that seems like a good time don't have it so like let me also I had enough leftover tokens roll for series 4 and I got Omega Sentinel so I'm yay!
00:25:47
Speaker
Oh my gosh gambled twice and won? Yes! Oh my goodness didn't never happens i was fully prepared to like get whatever else so yeah no i'm real excited to play with her borrowing some of that luck from mandatory burnout uh okay anything else about jocasta I'm really excited to draw her probably by the end of the day. i will i will get to play this card.
00:26:11
Speaker
I'll find out. I kept thinking of of how cool things that could happen if she showed up before the end of the game. So like I was thinking of the possibilities and imagining them. I'm hopeful.
00:26:24
Speaker
I bet she's out of hand. I predict we're going to enter a Jocasta meta. The only way I think we don't is if enough people just don't have enough tokens to get her But it feels like it's going to be like like invisible steps.
00:26:42
Speaker
ah Invisible woman. first I like that. Invisible steps. Yeah. Invisible steps. I haven't tried her with Fantasticar yet, but I've seen a couple people doing it already. And I think that that is like, I think she brings Fantasticar back to that deck.
00:26:57
Speaker
um i'm curious i know it's way too early to say she has to be nerfed like let the meta adjust and all that but if they had to nerf her is on reveal instead of activate is that a nerf no that's a buff do you think so yeah i think it it ruins the turn six thing if she shows up on six you can play her uh i would be i would have more things to say about yeah but it also doesn't let her activate other jocastas I think it's still a buff for most people's purposes.
00:27:26
Speaker
I think it's only a nerf for your purposes, Lauren. That's fair. yeah agree with Ben on this. Yeah, that's fair. um I think people, yeah doing three Jocastas is silly. I think there will be people actually trying to do two.
00:27:40
Speaker
That's an easy enough thing to do. okay I think you'll see the same kind of stuff that you did with Invisible Woman. But I think yeah just playing the two of them together is probably more efficient than trying to do the Prodigy Invisible Woman thing.
00:27:54
Speaker
If that makes any sense. I finger on it when you were talking earlier that like the invisible woman, the doubling up, the non-sensory, it's feels bullseye to me.
00:28:07
Speaker
Like how many more of these bullseye type cards? It's like, it just does a bunch of stuff and probably you lose. Cause it's like, I'm not like doing, it's not like happy for you not reading all that though.
00:28:19
Speaker
You know? that's I don't like it because I i think you're concerned about that. Yeah, I don't think that's healthy. The the fast forward.
00:28:30
Speaker
It's so messed up right now because like if you have three Jocastas and they hit Invisible Woman, it'll fast forward through the Jocastas. But Sunspot will sit there and proc 30 times with no fast forward.
00:28:45
Speaker
That's just misogyny. If you have two Jocastas, just two shooting for no Omega Sentinel does two doesn't do it, but three Jocastas would be Omega Sentinel shooting five times.
00:29:00
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three times, like 15 total, but three separate times. It'll fast forward all of those. It's like, i mean, I guess it has to do with the timing, right? Because Sunspot happens at the end of the turn and not like during the Jocasta action.
00:29:12
Speaker
But it just feels like really we're fast forwarding five Omega Sentinel shots, but not 30 Sunspot procs. anyway. It's like you're asking my brain to compute something you refuse to show an amount of time that I am supposed to think through it. and it's like The fast forward should be for stuff that like, okay, we all know this is going to happen. This is very obvious. Let's not waste everyone's time. Except like that's not when it triggers. It doesn't trigger for the stuff that is self-explanatory.
00:29:40
Speaker
Like, none of us play chess for a reason. saw somebody suggest making fast-forward manual, and I love that idea. Like, you can just opt in on the last turn. You can just say...
00:29:54
Speaker
I think they should just fix their animations to abridge them as necessary. and I
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00:30:00
Speaker
think there's some amount of spaghetti that would have to be untangled for that happen. know.
00:30:05
Speaker
Do you think they have the gumption? It sounds like you need some qualified programming. Do they have the expertise? I'm skeptical. I'm dubious.
00:30:17
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I don't know if they got it. i agree. And anything that's like just do this is like, no, they can't just do that. Just is doing a whole lot of work there. And it's it. That's as soon as it crosses into fantasy.
00:30:31
Speaker
um Super Adaptoid three five on reveal. Steal the text from an enemy. Activate card here. A new series four card today. I got him, but I haven't used him once.
00:30:44
Speaker
Well, he kept showing up for me. So I've played plenty of Super Adaptoid. Pretty cool card. I stole a Herbie Human Torch thing. So that was 310. Also stole the ability from Herbie. So like really more like 313, bare minimum. I mean, like...
00:31:01
Speaker
i don't I don't know if they even planned on using that particular ability. That's just what he had when I stole it. And if you steal the Herbie ability, your super adaptoid does not rotate or anything. It just steals the Herbie ability.
00:31:13
Speaker
oh interesting. you know So I waited around for the for it to soak up some bonus stats from the location and did the multiplication when I wanted to to double it up.
00:31:27
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So... Yeah, I don't know. I mostly i mostly had positive experiences with Super Adaptoid, even though the deck was like not coming together on a account of never drawing Jocasta. But yeah, there was always an activate for me to steal.
00:31:40
Speaker
Almost always. i think I played it once when there was not an activate, and it was just the only card to play for tempo and stuff. um But yeah, usually there was something to seal, and i don't think I was running into Jocasta decks. I think I was... Well, maybe some some of them were Jocasta decks. I think when I was seeing Herbie's, those were Jocasta decks.
00:32:02
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I will say, also, my opponents did not seem to be drawing Jocasta against me. So ah my experience is not unique, clearly.
00:32:13
Speaker
What I want to do, which I don't have super... I don't have Super Adaptoid, but what he makes... I've been thinking this recently with Super Adaptoid and, like, Ghost less relevant.
00:32:27
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But, like, was just, like, missing the roots of Surfer. What I used to always love about Surfer was it was my way to take a bunch of tech and put in the deck and soak it enough power.
00:32:42
Speaker
and Because... I just feel like Super Adaptoid is way more relevant. I feel like there's just more activates. Oh, I just, I thought this was like stealing some of Ghost's relevance to, and I didn't know that she had any at all. just less relevant of a card to like anything.
00:33:02
Speaker
To like the meta. ah But I'm just saying with threes, it's like I miss, and it's like, there's enough, I like I like ruining people's days with tech. And then, you know, Surfer lets you get the power above it. And I feel like Surfer has lost its way because it got so bigly buffable. You know what I mean? With Shaw and Brood combined with the powers of the power buff girls. You know, like, it's just like...
00:33:32
Speaker
And that's just nothing to prefer. Right? And it was fun at first, but it's kind of taken over. I'm kind of tired of it. i'm like I like my buffing to be in a non-surfer direction, and I want to get Surfer back to its, you know, some some threes that are techie. So I think that would be a great place that I would want to play would start.
00:33:56
Speaker
Okay. We would normally put the vibe check for next week's cards here, but next week's cards are from a new season, so we'll be covering them in season rankings in just a second.
00:34:10
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um This weekend, High Voltage returns. Is it high voltage overdrive? That was unclear to me. I think it's regular voltage. I just looked it up for a show notes. It's regular high voltage.
00:34:20
Speaker
Okay. But with a new ban list, ah existing bans, I believe, you'll correct me if I'm wrong, are Magic, Galactus, Black Widow, Alioth, Gambit, and Shang-Chi. And the new ones are Wong, Black Panther, Arnanzola, Mystique, Ultron, Odin, Absorbing Man, and Jim Hammond, Human Torch, who I suppose is probably just going to be a permaban from high voltage.
00:34:45
Speaker
Oh, well. Still playing him, by the way. i didn't mention that my weekend steps. Still loving Jim. He's great. um It is. the prizes are cosmetics only. i will probably not play because of that. maybe Maybe if I have to knock out weekend missions or alliance bounties or something.
00:35:00
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But... Oh, really? will, depending on you know, what cosmetics and how hard they are to get. Like, that's my measure of everything. That's what, like I said, it was so rewarding about Deadpool's diner. It's like, oh, I get a thing for, like, you know, not having to grind for days before seeing a reward.
00:35:18
Speaker
But this I just want to say, I do appreciate, i like updating the band list. I like a big rotating band list to keep... Because it's a couple days, so then when it gets solved and everyone starts playing the same deck everywhere, then it'll be over.
00:35:33
Speaker
so like, you know, I'm into it. ah So it's cosmetics only. is that even like, is that so absolute that we're not even talking like creddies? No, CT is no. I've got it.
00:35:48
Speaker
I've got it up. I believe it is strictly cosmetics. OK, metal chains, border mystery variant neon nights, border to premium mystery borders, premium mystery variant to premium mystery borders.
00:36:05
Speaker
Probably play enough to get the variance. 6,000 XP to get everything except for the last. So yeah, if you want the PMV, 6,000. six thousand That seems pretty doable. Although, I don't know how doable if it's just over a weekend instead of a whole week.
00:36:18
Speaker
Oh, well then maybe I'm not getting anything because I like real snap. October 2nd through 6th. That's longer than a weekend. That's like what? That's five days? It's Thursday.
00:36:30
Speaker
starts on a Thursday and think it ends on Monday or Tuesday. I'll follow my heart. Maybe I'll play it. Maybe I won't. ah Same. But I'm i'm leaning no Although, honestly, the ladder has been full of tech lately, and that doesn't feel good.
00:36:44
Speaker
Okay. Let's move on to zombie season rankings. If you haven't heard us do season rankings before, we give them ah arbitrary number one through four. i Sorry. It's an arbitrary unit. The number does actually mean something. One means bad. Four means good. Yeah.
Zombie-Themed Card Evaluation
00:37:00
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Yeah. i let's get into it. A lot of the cards this season are using the new keyword horde. So we'll cover that first just for some context. It gives power to your zombie horde, which is 0-0 token.
00:37:14
Speaker
If you don't have one, it creates it at another location first. So, zombie scarlet witch, our premium season pass card, After you play card here, horde 2.
00:37:27
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after you play a card here hoard plus two re I give this three stars. It's like Angela, but kind of worse because you have to play it later.
00:37:43
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but um and it's only plus two and it's less than... Elsa, but more achievable in some ways. Works with werewolves.
00:37:55
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So yeah, a low three is where I'm at with this one.
00:38:04
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Ben, we'll follow weekend snap order, but we'll rotate. Okie doke. think, unless there's something I'm missing about this card, it's kind of a stinker. I think, because it's the season pass card, if it is a stinker, it's likely to get buffed. So I guess I'll give it a ah generous two.
00:38:24
Speaker
wow. i like don't I don't see the appeal here. This looks to me like, ah what if Angela... was really bad against Cobra.
00:38:37
Speaker
Like what, what if, what if Angela needed to, I just, I don't, I just don't see it. I don't, uh, maybe, maybe if you're really cashing in with zombie giant man, maybe, maybe if zombie giant man is a lot better than am guessing. I mean, like, I guess, I guess I should, for the, for the sake of rating these cards, I need to make up my mind about whether or not I believe in zombie giant man.
00:39:04
Speaker
Um, I don't know. Zombie Scarlet Witch does not seem like a winner to me. Maybe we need talk about Horde in a more general way. Because I do sort of agree with you. It's vulnerable to Cobra. I don't think people are going to be running tons of Cobra for it. No, I don't think so either. But that's just an example. It's also Shadow King. It's a lot of things.
00:39:23
Speaker
Also, it gets very shongable. If we are making a huge Horde, there are just like so many ways for it to fall apart.
00:39:34
Speaker
Plus, like, I keep thinking every time I see Zombie Scarlet Witch, like, that week I'm going to play Racket and Groot. Like, once you know where they want to play, Kartham. That's so mean.
00:39:47
Speaker
play Nebula somewhere else, and yeah. Yep.
00:39:55
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um yeah wow uh i gave her a three i think she's one of the best horde cards but i don't think one is very good right i do agree she's a season pass they'll touch her up if they need to but also i don't think she can go that much higher like there's a reason it's been a while since we've seen angela b plus two is i don't think that that's no she good angela comes back every year for a few months like It's been a while. It's normal that we haven't seen. like were We're due for good to Angela again. Although maybe we're not going to get her because of this card. Maybe because of Zombie Scarlet Witch.
00:40:30
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No, it's not though because it's it costs three and it's just not. It takes up more space than Angela. But where are you putting her, Ben? I mean, because she goes in like a Hope Kitty Pride kind of s thing, right?
00:40:43
Speaker
Yeah. I guess. i think i I just don't think there's a home for her still. if you This is like a bunch of ifs. If you get her on curve and you play three cards on her, she's a 3-8.
00:40:55
Speaker
And that's fine. That's not great. it's above It's above the main stats, right? like People play Gladiator for the stats and and he has a downside ability. But you get it all at once with him. And also, this requires you to fill the lane.
00:41:10
Speaker
and like Right. That's a big ask for a couple of reasons. Yeah, and we'll get to zombie sentry, but also a 3-8 in ideal scenarios. Now, a zombie scarlet witch, you can go more all-in on her. You can have kitty or a mover or skills. I think skills are going to be really important her. Yeah, probably good with Merlin, um if it's good with anything.
00:41:31
Speaker
Right, which is also good with werewolf. You can ping around. Yeah. and so my wolf is I think she is viable, and I don't think she needs other horde cards to be good, but...
00:41:44
Speaker
Yeah, i'm I'm going to be real worried about how vulnerable my horde is, even if it doesn't get to 10 power. Okay, I gave her a 3. I don't know if I said that or not.
00:41:56
Speaker
Headpool, a 1-1. This is our super premium season pass card, but I think it's safe to assume that it'll be Series 5 packs on day one, similar to how Sparky worked.
00:42:07
Speaker
um Ben, I should finish reading him off. 1-1, when this is destroyed, return it to your hand, then give alt cards in your hand plus one power. Take it away.
00:42:19
Speaker
I'm going to give this one a four. I think it's cool as hell. a Hand buffing. Yeah, this just seems like a fun thing to destroy several times. I like it better than regular-ass Deadpool.
00:42:30
Speaker
um That's just my personal... like this This one's more to my taste. I'm not into doubling as much as some people are, and I am into... You know, Gwenpooling and Nakia-ing. I mean, not specifically Nakia, but, you know, Nakia-like effects.
00:42:47
Speaker
Yeah. Vivision. Yeah, yeah. i Seems like a very fun and good card. It does a good thing. I want to kill it a million times.
00:43:00
Speaker
you can You can kill it a lot of times, I'm sure of it. Yeah. I think he seems very fun, but I gave him a two, and I think he's worse than regular Deadpool. really? um Yeah.
00:43:11
Speaker
And not both. youro him ah If you proc him a couple times, then he's better, but, like, Deadpool is, like, he's a primary game plan. Like, if you if you get a big Deadpool on the last turn and you kill X-23, then you drop your giant Deadpool and your giant Null, or your Zola whatever, like...
00:43:31
Speaker
that's its That's its own plan on its own. And I think if you're running both of them side by side, then you're just making your curve cost one more, ah which I don't think Destroy wants.
00:43:43
Speaker
you know Two of its enablers cost three with you know Venom and Deathlock and Killmonger. So you can afford it, i guess, technically, sure, but
00:43:57
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I don't know. I think that if you're running both of them, you want Deadpool over Headpool every time. and I think Headpool is cool with like Nimrod. I think Headpool's cool with a lot of I mean, like, more cards having more stats means Null's bigger, your Venoms are going to be bigger. Like, I don't know. Like, Destroyed wants things to be big.
00:44:18
Speaker
and And it wants multiple things to be big, I think. yeah I don't know. If you're playing both, make sure that you put Headpool down... Or, sorry, make sure you put Deadpool down first so that he'll return to your hand and get the buffs from Headpool.
00:44:30
Speaker
i I agree, he seems really fun. I just don't think he seems super good. Reap.
00:44:37
Speaker
disagree with you and agree with Ben. ah It feels like that's been happening a lot lately, but like, this was a four stars for me, I play enough Destroy. I'm sad that I probably won't be able to get this for a while just because it...
00:44:54
Speaker
Probably won't randomly get to roll it for a while, and I'm not buying the super premium pass. But I think if you're a Destroy player, this is one you definitely want to pick up. In Destroy decks, this is what we're always saying when something seems cool, but I'm like, once again, if you're...
00:45:11
Speaker
trying to get a benefit from destroying, well, still need to be, like, destroying stuff and setting it up. But this is, like, you already want to destroy things. Buffing things is great. There's a lot of things, like Nimrod, as Ben was saying like like, just other things you could have. Everything's better with a buff. and um I see what you're saying where, you know, you worry about taking out too much destroy for putting this in.
00:45:40
Speaker
But it's like, feel like easily people would be putting this in over in Nico. i mean, even if it meant you to take something else out to put another destroy card in it's like, ah it's so cheap too.
00:45:55
Speaker
don't know. Maybe you find some way to like... make what i mean there's enough to destroy ones now it's like are we getting into some territory like what do you got them destroy mostly doesn't run nova and i think this is very nova ish i know you think maybe well nova only goes off once do you think maybe headpool is going to be a tumas little buddy
00:46:21
Speaker
I like I do like putting a Tuma as a and yeah And you just like do it again and again, and that way you don't have to like blow through all your like destroy catalyst things. You get to do it twice.
00:46:32
Speaker
Well, you do get to do it twice in a six-turn game. Maybe your opponent's playing Magic for you. that's That's always been my philosophy, is to never play Magic myself, but always have fun little plans for when my opponent has Magic.
00:46:47
Speaker
yeah Yeah, but this feels very, like, destroyed me. Like, if you're a big destroyed player, you just really want this card. like Seems good. See, to me, this feels like, and and maybe this will come up with our conversation on Zombie Captain Marvel, but this to me feels like a Destroy card that doesn't go directly into the like main Destroy archetype.
00:47:10
Speaker
Oh, that could be. You want it if you can afford you know if you can afford something like Lady Deathstrike or Carnage in your deck anyway for maybe other reasons. I think that deck might like Headpool, but i don't think maybe.
00:47:21
Speaker
But that's good. I want it to stretch destroy. I don't like when a card just slots in as a better card than a card that exists. I like when it like maneuvers. to like Honestly, it's because of Khonshu that I felt like I could play Dracula and some discard again. like That I could all do something without Bullseye, you know?
00:47:42
Speaker
That makes sense. I agree. I like it when the flavors expand. Whenever we're evaluating these new cards, I always like to look at them like two different ways. And one of the ways is like in the context of decks we've seen and the meta and stuff. And another way that I try to look at them is just like...
00:48:00
Speaker
ah ah like that Just the general principle of like what the card's about like in a vacuum and like what what it could be about with the kinds of cards that I think are within the realm of possibility. like I'm sort of like, I don't know. I like this card like in general with the future of cards I think that they might print.
00:48:20
Speaker
you know I think there will be things to do with this card. Okay. Um... then and This is the still the first week. a Series 5 card.
00:48:32
Speaker
Colonel America. It's zombie Captain in America. But he's not called Captain America, so he won't work for Sam's Shield. Ongoing. Your other cards here... Oh, sorry. three three Ongoing. Your other cards here have plus one power for each turn you've discarded a card.
00:48:48
Speaker
Very morbius, but also Captain America. um I gave it a low three. Like, i'm not super confident in this card. Like, it's a big card.
00:48:59
Speaker
i think you almost always want Morbius instead, but you could run both. Oh, yeah. And I think discard decks are discarding almost every turn, right? You're doing at least four turns. You're discarding something.
00:49:12
Speaker
um So it's pretty big. And if you can fill his lane, which you can do if you've got, don't know, Swarms. I don't know that other discard decks are filling lanes. And I don't see much swarm these days.
00:49:25
Speaker
So that's that's one thing that gave me hesitation on this card, is this card doesn't seem like a deck that's doing a lot of lane filling. I think it certainly can. i don't know. There are different... I and don't know.
00:49:39
Speaker
We'll see. i Yeah. and don't Do you have more thoughts about it? That's pretty much it. I don't want to... Whose turn that? I don't know if he's worth the opportunity cost to put in your deck.
00:49:50
Speaker
And you went low three? Low three. I went even lower. gave him a two. Once again, it may be just going and not the kind of discard I like, which is more of like an Apocalypse Dracula Kanchu type way rather than like a Bullseye Swarm kind of way. And for me, costs three.
00:50:13
Speaker
It does... three i'm like Morbius, it's like I can they can get big. It's for each like, each turn. You don't always discard on turn one, right But then, plus five and yeah, and it buffs up your little cards, but once again, that means you have to not discard it.
00:50:36
Speaker
You know? um You're playing on a turn you might be playing where you want to discard things instead. For me, this is a discard card I could leave out of decks, whereas opposed to head pull, I'm like, I want put it lot of things, you know?
00:50:49
Speaker
This is one that's like, can see forgoing it. It's not better than Morbius for for my things, which is usually about, you know, discarding a lot of things over just, you know, necessarily discarding every single round. So, that's a meta.
00:51:03
Speaker
I'm at a two because I think it'ss it it's fine, but it's not even a mandatory discard card. Hmm. I think I'm gonna give it a three...
00:51:17
Speaker
Did we talk you down? No, no. i i can't get I can't give every card that I'm excited about a four, but I am excited about this one. In your heart, he's a four.
00:51:28
Speaker
I don't know about that. I'm not sure he's even a four in my heart. But, like, I like this card a lot. I, like... i I like that it counts, you know, like Morbius does, all all the cards that have been discarded. And, like, those cards like that are so surprising sometimes, your Hydra Stompers and your Morbiuses, your Morbi.
00:51:50
Speaker
I don't know. um But, like, yeah, I do see what you're saying where, like, is this card the best at its job? Does it... does it get room in any of the myriad flavors of discard or yeah like i don't know like i want to put it in some kind of a an apocalypse dracula thing but like i i don't know i just i'm not sure it's quite there but like oh it's cute with zombie power man who we'll talk about in a bit um i want to believe and like the
00:52:25
Speaker
That's a lot of stats, potentially, right? Like, if your other cards have plus six power there, that's like a 321. And like, 321 feels pretty big. Yeah. three twenty one fields pretty big um You know, like, we we talk, a lot of people talk, not just us, about how, like, cards that do plus three, they tend to they tend to do all right.
00:52:49
Speaker
And, like, this card does do plus three at a time off discards. to make sure you didn't discard it with MODOK. And then, so then you're playing it in turn six. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know what the deck looks like.
00:53:03
Speaker
yeah I'm just saying the ceiling's mighty high and also not in like not in a way that's difficult to imagine. you know like I liked your point of like Dracula, Apoc, and of course the retroactive ongoing is very strong. so like I like and like thinking about what if I'm playing him on turn six instead of on turn three.
00:53:25
Speaker
What else can I play him with? that That does seem... that's ah That's a good surprise. That's a lane swinger, right? If you play him right. And if we are still playing Swarm in whatever kind of deck this is, and I suspect... I personally still run into people playing Swarm, and in some of my discard decks, I will still play Swarm. Oh, yeah.
00:53:42
Speaker
I feel like this card is pretty good with Swarm. And like it's easy to discard Swarm without discarding Colonel America because he's a three cost. And Swarm is either two or zero.
00:53:53
Speaker
And there are so many ways to target two or zero and spare your three. like I think... I don't know. I want to believe in this card. I'm sticking with the three, i believe.
00:54:05
Speaker
ah and not not a je I'm not being nice about this one the way I was being nice about Scarlet Witch giving her 2. think this one is actually 3. Okay. Zombie Giant Man.
00:54:17
Speaker
One of the first week Series 4 cards. A 5-3. on reveal, horde plus 1. Then this gains power equal to your zombie horde. 3-3.
00:54:29
Speaker
three Okay, I give this one a two. For me, this is actually the Horde archetype card, right? This is the card where you're building a Horde deck for it it. kind of requires that, and it's the reason to put them all together. And it makes sense.
00:54:47
Speaker
Ultimately... A lot of times advanced Marvel snap that people talk about is remembering that Marvel snap is winning two lanes. And sometimes that means never even playing in a third lane at all. And not, you know, cause like with that power in one of the lanes you didn't play it in, um, you could have won.
00:55:07
Speaker
And this is very much about that. It's like, Hey, get your horde big and then task master it, you know? And that's, this is the finisher. yeah, So, but it's like, yeah, it'll go in that deck with all the horde cards. And it's, ah it's a it's a you know, like what Gilgamesh is for zoo nonsense. You know, it's that. That's exactly who I was thinking of, too, Gilgamesh.
00:55:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Transition right into thoughts, Saloon. Okay, I'll skip Ben's turn. Okay. Do it. know's a busy anyway um I also gave it a two. I almost gave it a one, but it's like it's hard to give that to an archetype defining card, even if it's not a very good archetype. Right. Like I also wouldn't do that to mill. I don't think it's a super strong archetype, but I wouldn't give the mill defining cards once.
00:56:01
Speaker
And this is going this is a staple in any Horde deck. um But it does feel like Gilgamesh to me, and that's a good thing on its own. Gilgamesh turned out to be a good card once it had to get a couple buffs. and um And we had to figure it out, I guess. I don't know. Zeus is still pretty vulnerable. But...
00:56:21
Speaker
But Gilgamesh is scary. And this feels like Gilgamesh, but you're putting all your eggs in two baskets. like um not you know you don't You're not spreading out the power the same way. It just feels outrageously vulnerable.
00:56:32
Speaker
And you know there's going to be times when you play Zombie Giant Man right after your opponent has messed with your horde, and that's going to feel bad. um But like you know I guess that's true of any greedy strategy, anything that's doing a Taskmaster-type thing or whatever. Yeah.
00:56:50
Speaker
I don't know I'm just, I'm not super impressed with Horton. So the ah the their key piece gets it too.
00:56:59
Speaker
Interesting.
00:57:02
Speaker
I've got a few things. There's one thing. um We've discussed a lot of cards that have ah achieved relevance through buffs and stuff.
00:57:14
Speaker
um And last week we talked fair bit about Colleen Wing and I learned something after we recorded just because I was curious. I was like, has Colleen been two four this entire time?
00:57:27
Speaker
Turns out no. ah before ah like Before any of us played, apparently Colleen was originally a 3-5. Yeah. So that's that's that's fun to know.
00:57:41
Speaker
Anywho, um yeah, I think this is a card that, much like the the Season Pass card, If in fact this horde thing is not coming together and kind of stinks, I think this is one of the cards that's most likely to be buffed alongside Scarlet Witch. So like, I don't think this card, if if it is less than a three, I don't think it stays less than a three. So I'm giving it a three.
00:58:07
Speaker
um Again, I'm also a little dubious of Horde being much of anything, but i think they want it to be something, and I don't think they're going to let it be bad.
00:58:20
Speaker
so But the question is, like I guess, is this card maybe all right as it is? And I think... Maybe.
00:58:30
Speaker
It's very hard to tell. ah This is the card I am the least sure of of any of these cards. I'm not sure if this is anything at all, but I have to believe that it will be because they don't want no one to play any horde.
00:58:43
Speaker
you know They want people to like it and want these cards. So Zombie Giant Man has to be worth it because it's the only reward. Yeah. Notably also like the week one horde card for people who don't buy the season pass.
00:58:58
Speaker
I don't think this card is playable without Zombie Scarlet Witch, right? like Oh, that's true. It's a 5-4. ah We are getting couple locations in our horde. No, you're right.
00:59:10
Speaker
No, this is garbage without her. That's Roth. Okay, well... I wasn't thinking about what I was saying all the way through. um That's actually, yeah, that's so rough that this isn't like a useless series four card for people who don't get the season. Absolutely. You roll this one. Oh my gosh. that That's got to feel stinky. If you're snap pack opening and, you know, rolling the dice, YOLOing.
00:59:36
Speaker
ah Yeah. Wow. that That's got to be rough for those people. Don't do it. Don't. I don't know. Or do they're they're your tokens. Follow your art. Ben, you're first on Zombie Power Man. A 2-4. Oh, that's good. Another Series 4.
00:59:50
Speaker
A 2-4. End of turn. If you're winning here, discard the leftmost card from your hand.
00:59:58
Speaker
Uh, this one gets a four in my heart for sure. I'll give it a, I guess I'll give it a three, but like, I don't know. I kind of give it a four. I, there's also a part of me that just wants to go back to doing the thing I used to do where I would, I would, I would just like pass fail.
01:00:12
Speaker
Um, but like, yeah, this card's a total winner. Love it. i love that it, uh, discards the left most card in your hand potentially again and again i do the thing the thing that makes me makes it only a four in my heart and uh i i'm only i can only give it a three because like i'm not wild about this if you're winning here business because like my opponent does things outside of my control and they also have some say over whether or not i'm winning there I'm glad you highlighted that. I wasn't paying any attention that. It feels a little unpredictable. That part feels a little shaky, but I love this guaranteed discard a card every turn. mean, like, would it be better if it was the rightmost card every turn? Yeah, probably.
01:00:55
Speaker
But like... I still like it. i still think it's very cool, very fun, very ah yeah a fun pair with Colonel America. And I i like targeted discard. Why not do it again and again?
01:01:10
Speaker
i don't know. Seems seems cool. And like you always know what it's going to hit. That's yeah, it's dope. okay I gave him a three. He seems very so very risky and unwieldy, not just that it's pulling from the left reliably, but also that you have to be winning there.
01:01:27
Speaker
um But he's a big card, and I think basically he's good in a deck where you're controlling for that, right? you have it has to be a deck where there are almost every card is a card that you want to discard.
01:01:39
Speaker
um for one reason or another. you know But there's a lot of those. There's Swarm and Apoc and Scorn and Proxima Midnight and Konshu and surely others. um I did think of one little thought that ties in with something that you said, Lauren, about whether or not to play Colonel America on 3 or on 6. And I'm thinking...
01:02:03
Speaker
One thing in favor of playing him on three is that you are likely to be keeping pace on your zombie power man lane and you will more likely be able to, if you do want to commit heavily to a lane, it might as well be a lane that guarantees you're discarding the leftmost card every turn. So like, I guess there are even buddies in that way. Like you, you would want to, yeah, you want, you might want to land down on three just so that you're always winning that lane. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:32
Speaker
I mean, that is a way to still discard that turn, I was going to say, because one of the problems with Colonel America is that turn three, you're not going to be discarding a card, but I guess you are if you have zombie power man down.
01:02:49
Speaker
The only other thing I was going to say is even though he's pulling from the left and that might make people think Agatha, I don't think so. Not for this. i like You just stick with Really? Yeah, I think you're right.
01:03:02
Speaker
I don't think Agatha decks are built to discard that many cards.
01:03:08
Speaker
Yeah, they are when you plan to Hella later. Yeah. That's why Cornus Glaive is there. When discards your Hella from the left, that's scary. That's the risk they take. That's when they retreat. think you use the established methods to discard your Hella. That's what I think. I don't think this supplants anything.
01:03:24
Speaker
There is a cute thing you can do a zombie power man, which is to hit him with ghost when you're done discarding, but like why are you putting him in a deck where you're done? That's too clever by half. Okay, Rhi. okay free Okay, yeah only gave him a 2. I'm lower them than you guys. For exactly that reason, I do play a lot of discard, and I play a lot of a specific kind of discard.
01:03:47
Speaker
um Like I've said, which, you know, power to this if it creates a new kind. And you do always want to be discarding from the right. And if you're not as familiar with playing discard, the reason for that is because Scorn...
01:04:00
Speaker
And Apocalypse cards that return to your hand will return to the right of your hand. It's why a blade, a well-timed blade is useful because you're probably hitting something you've already hit um before and is now or Swarm, you know.
01:04:15
Speaker
So those are the things. And this is so uncontrolled. One, you don't get to decide if you're winning there, you know. You can try to win or not, but you don't get to, like...
01:04:27
Speaker
you know, toggle that yourself. And there's plenty of cards you don't want to discard. If you're not like playing Conshu and stuff, you don't want to be discarding your Dracula. You don't want to be discarding cards that are just getting more to the left of your hand as you're playing out cards out of your hand.
01:04:44
Speaker
So it feels very unwieldy to me. Where I do, I disagree with you because where I would want to play this is Agatha. and Uh, because Agatha sometimes is a bit more of a YOLO deck where you're just, you know, like, hoping your Corvus Glaive doesn't discard your Hela.
01:05:01
Speaker
And when you hit it, like, you know, they do. They're so fucking lucky sometimes where it's like, I saw you discard four fucking cards, you know, like just this turn and your fucking Ghost Rider pulls out Hela out of all of that. Like,
01:05:17
Speaker
Oh, how? How? Or when they get lucky with the gambit and it's like, how did you tame your gambit? My gambit isn't so well behaved. Okay, anyway.
01:05:28
Speaker
But so, you know, I'm not as high. I get there's maybe some cool potential there, but there's going to be some work in that deck building to be okay with just discarding from the left deck.
01:05:43
Speaker
yeah out of your control. sure i'm I'm quite with you. like i don't I think he's not good in most discard decks, but in like the very niche, narrow deck where you're like, I'm fine with discarding pretty much everything. He's good there.
01:05:57
Speaker
Odd job, but he seems good at it. If there's a demand for it. That's always the hard thing. like I'm sure we've brought this up multiple times. It's always the hard thing with ranking cards. It's like, how much do you value niche strength over flexible strength?
01:06:11
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um
01:06:14
Speaker
We're finally on to the next week. A Series 5 card. Zombie Mr. Fantastic. A 2-2. reveal, board plus 2. Activate. Give 4 of your created cards plus 1 power.
01:06:28
Speaker
um I gave him a 3. It's not a card I'm super interested in, but I think he's and I don't even know if he goes in a horde deck. I don't think you play it just for plus two on your horde. I guess plus three on your horde.
01:06:42
Speaker
Probably. um But I do think he belongs in a created card deck. Like he's a two eight if you can reliably get all of his power out. um And that's like that's pretty good. It's not as good as making extra Victoria hands, but like that's a pretty good thing to be doing.
01:06:57
Speaker
um Also, I am moderately interested in him because he's kind of a Valk friend. like He makes an extra body on the board. Both of the bodies are good ones to hit with Valkyrie. Plus, he might get one of them extra power afterwards.
01:07:10
Speaker
But that's not enough to make him a good card. um But i think I think there's a really good chance that he kind of just becomes a staple in Victoria Hand decks just for his raw stat line.
01:07:24
Speaker
three
01:07:26
Speaker
I wavered between three and four for him, but I give him a low four. um Because he only cost two. And not only does he only cost two, even though he does have the act that the ugly activate ability, still don't mind playing him on five. Whereas, like, old Pedro, you know, and Surge and stuff, you're not really excited to play on turn five, you know? Like, then you've lost a lot of benefit.
01:07:55
Speaker
So he is, it's narrower, whereas like the original ah Mr. Fantastic first steps kind of win in everything. Kind of win in everything.
01:08:05
Speaker
This does mean, it's like, hey, you want to play somewhere you're creating cards. But there's so many places you're creating cards. Broods, you know, and and Surfer. Victoria Hand is still really good. Yeah, this one is, like I said, it's it's only cost two to put out.
01:08:28
Speaker
Like, i give it i give it a low four. I think it's pretty good. You made me think about like Squirrel Girl. i'm Like, oh maybe he goes in Marvel Boy type stuff also.
01:08:40
Speaker
Right? That's what I'm saying. He only costs two. He goes in so many things. And the actual advantage here is that you can play him a bit later than you would some of the
01:08:53
Speaker
Surge isn't still a 2-2 even. ah You know, Pedro's not a 2-2. He's not cheating any energy, but he does have a lot of power. Ben? I will also give him a low 4, although this one's a 1 in my heart.
01:09:10
Speaker
Too much buff cards, yeah. I've never been a fan of this.
01:09:15
Speaker
What's happening? I heard kitten mischief behind me. Was he after your bagels? Yep, yep, that's exactly what it was. I already see the claw marks, yep.
01:09:27
Speaker
I caught him right at the very beginning of it. I heard a crinkling that I could not have. Anywho... Anywho, yes, a low four for Zombie Mr. Fantastic. All the things that Rhi said, i very much agree with. Also, about playing him on five, you know what jumped out to me?
01:09:48
Speaker
I don't hate... I don't hate the i mean, like I do hate this. This is a one in my heart. I don't like this card at all. I find it aesthetically displeasing. I don't like that it yeah it doesn't... It just doesn't go with itself. It's just janky. It's so janky and jumbled.
01:10:04
Speaker
But... ah I wouldn't mind bastioning it in a Victoria Hand context. I wouldn't mind that at all. I wouldn't mind playing it on two and playing it on five. ah It just slots right into Victoria Hand, and cards that slot right into Victoria Hand are real good.
01:10:19
Speaker
So, yep, it's a four whether I like it or not, and ah for the record, I don't like it. stinky Stinky card, not a fan. Okay, you two have persuaded me. I thought I being generous with the three.
01:10:33
Speaker
ah But yeah, it's going to be good. It's going to have homes. How could it not? ah The Hunger. ah This is a Series 4 card that's going to start in a limited time game mode if datamines are to be believed.
01:10:51
Speaker
A one cost skill on reveal, horde plus three. three I mean, this has to be a one, right? Because, like, it's going to be mostly good for Horde decks, you know? So it kind of only fits there.
01:11:12
Speaker
I'm trying to think where else it would go, and I'm like, okay, where do I want, like, a skill? And it's like, okay, with Werewolf. But, like, lot of that is, like, you don't want the card on the board, and this leaves a card on the board because, you know, it's Horde.
01:11:28
Speaker
Yeah, but like, you know what I If I'm going for one cost on reveal, like, you know, i still rather with like, me you know, for one three, i just feel like there are things I would rather do.
01:11:43
Speaker
I'm sure there's a few tricky scenarios it goes in But this was between a one and a two for me. And I i feel like. I feel like I want to go i want to go low because I feel like outside of horde decks it's going harder for it to find a home. Okay.
01:12:03
Speaker
Plus, I don't remember exactly what it was, but there was another skill we saw last week, the like web-slinging one, that was also a one-cost skill that had reach. And that one seemed even more universal.
01:12:15
Speaker
That one seems really good. When we were looking at the spider people season for November. Yeah, I think that the web swing, web sling, whichever one it was, ah I think it's very good.
01:12:26
Speaker
but Which makes me think that this one, probably you're right, is only horde card. Ben? I think this card is very good. Also, a one in my heart. I find it aesthetically... like Let's not have freestanding skill cards. they're just not they not fun They're not fun.
01:12:47
Speaker
They're not good. um I mean, like this one is good. That's what I think. I think it's a very... I mean, like, the extent... But, like, what are you doing with it, Ben? I'm trying to think. You can Joaquin Torres it, but you can't bounce it because it's a skill.
01:13:05
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. You're playing it Zombie Scarlet Witch and not taking up a space. Yep. That's the Horde deck, though. That's the one Horde deck, though, that goes in, right? Yeah, a Horde card. I know, but I think you also like generally... Yeah, I think it's good to like play here and sprout three power elsewhere.
01:13:24
Speaker
i think there are like... Yeah, I guess it's reach, like you were saying. You can play it on Vormir. like There are a lot of things. I think it'll be good. right. You play it on Angela. You play it on your hope and whatever. I meant you a 2 immediately.
01:13:43
Speaker
i don't think this one's a 4, but I think I have to give it a 3. doesn't go with Elsa, though. It's not as good as the Spider Season 1, but right it's i it's yucky. I wish they would stop doing these astral projections.
01:14:00
Speaker
ah they're really weird because then they get variants and you're splitting up skill. And there's a few other cards like that, like Phoenix Force or Morph where you hardly ever get to see your variant or your... And we don't have a Deathhood card yet. We don't have a Pyro card yet. There are actual characters that could have cards.
01:14:19
Speaker
Yeah. And we're we're wasting the digital cardboard on The Hunger? off. Fuck off. Yeah. um i'm I'm giving it a high three. We've pretty much covered every reason why.
01:14:31
Speaker
i think mostly it only goes in Horde decks, but it's very good there. Yeah. If Horde is good, this is good. high Horde when play it on Scarlet Witch. You tacked me up.
01:14:45
Speaker
Week three... card that I think looks very fun. Zombie Captain Marvel, a Series 5. four four
Card Evaluation Challenges
01:14:53
Speaker
Activate. Destroy your other cards here to get plus 3 power for each.
01:14:57
Speaker
Move to a location you're losing. ben You know, this is a card that I really struggle to evaluate. i I think it's pretty good though, right? like don't Don't we all wish that Carnage got plus 3 instead of plus 2 sometimes?
01:15:16
Speaker
Like... to Like this, this makes a yeah, I think, I don't know. It's a four in my heart. I think maybe I'll give it a three just because it's a card that i have difficulty imagining like the, the gameplay. I mean, like I read the card, I know what it does, but like I'm having difficulty imagining how it fits into the the game as we know it.
01:15:42
Speaker
But like, it's very exciting. It's very cool. The design is the design is Yeah, I dig it. Also, ah yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah I have nothing but nice things to say about this card.
01:15:55
Speaker
I'm not sure how impactful moving to a location you're losing, like, versus the the original Captain Marvel move at the end of the game. i don't know.
01:16:06
Speaker
There's a chance I may be like, I don't know. I like... I like having a plan and acting like maybe moving earlier is cool so that you know what... I don't know.
01:16:17
Speaker
I think it's Nito at the very least. I'll give it a three, but it's a four in my heart. She's a four in my heart and on paper. i do think that...
01:16:29
Speaker
She's got some of that, like, she looks really appealing, and I think people are going to be disappointed by ah how niche she is. But I think in the places she goes, she's really good. She destroys one card, and she's bigger than regular old Captain Marvel.
01:16:41
Speaker
ah Activate is much worse timing for move to a location you're losing, right? Like, you have to throw Pryo on turn six for it to be... close to being the end of game timing but it's a really good ability move to a location you're losing um and i'm assuming she just stays where she is if you're you know if there isn't a ah losing location to move i think you're right um which you know sometimes will be like the location you want to go reach into sanctum sanctorum but you're not losing because it's a tie not so it is it is a worse ability than captain marvel's but
01:17:16
Speaker
You want to destroy things. And, uh, you know, like, uh, one of the best one costs in the game is the hood. That's a great card to flip from negative three to plus three. Um, and nevermind all the like goblins and rocks and raptors and shit like that.
01:17:32
Speaker
Like, ah I don't think she has to be in a destroy deck. I do think, I think four is a little slow for a traditional destroy deck, but like, I don't know, just playing her with like Bucky and Hood is like, it's nasty.
01:17:46
Speaker
There's some cool stuff you can do with that. And maybe we're at critical mass for a deck that can run ah few destroy cards, but not be a dedicated destroy deck.
01:17:58
Speaker
Yeah. um I gave her the lower side of three. Her ability is amazing and gorgeous and will lead to big, powerful effects.
01:18:10
Speaker
But the problem is yeah have to convince her to come down from space. ah You have two turns to player to get the ability. You have to player in turn four or five unless you're somehow able to cheat without, you know, any cheating or out early.
01:18:25
Speaker
you really just don't want to. This is not a good six play. And also, when you're thinking about your destroy stuff, it's like. You're kind of like, it's like you want a lot of your little stuff early, you know, you don't necessarily want in your hand, but when she goes off, right?
01:18:42
Speaker
Three triggers for your death right there. Like all of the good things, but it's like, you got two turns to play um And that makes her way less flexible. And a lot of times in a deck, you, you're looking for flex. So
Zombie Cards Analysis
01:18:58
Speaker
um that's why she's not a four for me, but Really cool. I like it.
01:19:04
Speaker
I like the ability. It seems fun. Maybe you talked me down to two, even though you gave her a three. I'm like, don't know. I don't know. You could just cast out a player six. Come on. No, I was thinking it, and i I was like, that's too silly.
01:19:20
Speaker
I'm not going to say it, but I was thinking it. I was thinking it. It's my job to say the silly stuff. um i'm just I'm just playing my role. Okay. Following into the next week, a series five card, Zombie Galacti, 7-4-3.
01:19:33
Speaker
seven four Start of game, choose six other cards in your deck. On reveal, transform those cards into copies of this. The way I read this is that choose six is something that Galacti does for you. I don't think we're going to see a modal where you pick six. That's just way too slow in Marvel Snap.
01:19:51
Speaker
um You know, they're already like pretty cautious about start of game animations because if you have five of them in your deck, that takes ah takes a second to you know get the game going. um i I'm like 50-50 on whether you're going to be able to tell which ones are marked, which ones are going to pop into Galacti.
01:20:10
Speaker
I would lean yes, because this seems like a really bad card if you can't. Whoa. You think there's a possibility you can't see which ones are... Yeah. Surprise! It's the ones in your hand and your deck. I don't think there's any chance of that. This card would be... would bad. This is already super weird card.
01:20:32
Speaker
Yeah. Because you have to ramp it out. And who cares about turning things into fours? Like, four power cards. um You don't want to be playing this in something like Cerebro because you're going to turn your Cerebro into a Galacti half in the time.
01:20:46
Speaker
ah So... it's It's buff the heck out of Zombie Galacti and then play him. But you have to buff it and ramp him out. Like, it's just... It's really, really freaking weird.
01:20:57
Speaker
um It'll be fun. But I would be surprised if this is ever... meta um but i don't know maybe there's some really cool stuff you could do with it it is one of the weirdest cards we've ever seen in the game i think was so sure it was gonna change uh i've given him a one and that feels like maybe i shouldn't maybe that's just me being fear afraid of a weird card um no stick to your guns but this isn't just a weird card lauren there are some other adjectives
01:21:29
Speaker
this is ah This is a card that is fun and flashy, but I don't think very good. Rhi. Yeah, same. It's such... It's like... It does seem like it's it's destined for me, Marie. You know? a Because you have to... It's like you're either putting magic in a deck, which you already puts in some vulnerability, or you have to, yeah, do some extra things to ramp...
01:21:56
Speaker
There's no way you're putting this in a deck unless you really want to play it. There's like no reason. it doesn't do anything. It's not like high Evo or something where you have to put in a deck. It's like you're literally hoping to play it Dermammu style. That is the mission of your deck, which means, yeah, you have to remember. but And then you also need to buff this card enough that you want to turn everything into it.
01:22:20
Speaker
And this seems like so much work. It's like I thought the point of being a zombie was that you didn't have to work and you just ate brains all day. And it's like this is, you know, like, is it going to be fun?
01:22:33
Speaker
Is the payout going to be fun enough for all the work it's going to take to, like, pull it off? I don't know. How could it be? It also seems like a nightmare to play against, right? When it does pop off, it's it's like regular old original ah Galactus, where it's just like, surprise, I win the game with this one really flashy play that is maybe not even telegraphed.
01:22:57
Speaker
How big do we think people are going to be able to get it like honor Like, under ordinary circumstances, if somehow you've also played Magic and gotten your seven turns and... I think it's... I think eight is realistic, whether that's Gwenpool or Shuri.
01:23:16
Speaker
Like, you could do, like, a... Call it Magic or Stone. You could do Shuri into Galacta. Can we assume that like of the of the the two remaining cards in your deck on turn seven, probably one of your six ah targeted cards is in there.
01:23:33
Speaker
Like, have you played your hand? Okay. Yeah. So you, how many of your Galactus, how many of your future Galacti do you even get to play out?
01:23:43
Speaker
Do you think? Cause like, I bet it's like three or four.
01:23:49
Speaker
I say four or five. Four or five? Okay. let's Let's say four is usually the number of Galactus chosen cards that are on the board when you finally get to play your Galactus. If you've made it all work and you've made Galactus a whopping seven, eight, wow, you turned four other cards into eight power cards.
01:24:09
Speaker
Um... Are you keeping up with Surfer? Because I don't fucking think you are, dude. i think that like this this is so not anything. It's mind-blowing how not anything this card is.
01:24:21
Speaker
This is card makes Emperor Hulkling look like a very pragmatic, practical choice. Are we missing something big? It feels like that.
01:24:32
Speaker
I feel like we must be, except I don't think we are. i really I really think this card is just that bad. I think this is a zero. I do think this is a card that you you don't want to be very good, though, right? like Yeah, that's the thing. I hope they don't. miserable so I think this card is absolutely nothing. Okay, one more card of the season. it is also a Series 4 in a limited-time game mode.
01:25:00
Speaker
Zombie Sentry. On reveal, hoard plus one for each of your cards at the right location. three
01:25:08
Speaker
um
01:25:11
Speaker
I give it a two. I hate it. This is so stupid. I don't know. It just seems like a stupid ability. Like, what does this have to do with anything? I mean, I guess if you're playing stuff at the right, maybe that just makes me want to do like Nihilist.
01:25:30
Speaker
ah You know, whenever I'm thinking about playing cards on the right, it's usually because of like sentry and stuff. Yeah, Yeah. yeah I think you are following the thread.
01:25:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, so it gets there, but it's just like, I don't know. as a card mechanic, I'm like, why does why is this an ability?
01:25:58
Speaker
I don't know. I think it's dumb. I guess it's... I guess it's...
01:26:06
Speaker
What are you even doing with this card? It's a 3A if the location's full. Yeah, like it's... I don't know. guess you're playing it in Surfer.
01:26:18
Speaker
It's so stupid. You're not playing this in Surfer, that's for sure. You got better things to do in Surfer. What is this card?
01:26:29
Speaker
What does it go with? Why is it Also, why is it so close together with Zombie Galacti? I feel like the the whole reason i wanted to give Zombie Galacti a zero was because I wanted to somehow denote that it's worse than this card, which is poster child for ones, if ever I saw one.
01:26:51
Speaker
Oh, wow. ah it's great I give Zombie Sentry a two. He goes in the Horde deck, nothing else. Maybe. Does he even go there? I'm not convinced.
01:27:04
Speaker
then It's such a stupid card. No, he probably goes there. You're right. you're He probably goes. I guess maybe he's a two. If he does have a deck where he goes, he's probably a two. Can you imagine playing this card? Like, hee hee hee, I'm going to fill my right location, I'm going to get to Horde for the max.
01:27:21
Speaker
Like, what? There's no joy in that. It's so stupid. Okay, he's the third card there, so he's a three seven, and then you Cersei him. this This is my plan. I don't know.
01:27:34
Speaker
yeah It's lame. Okay. Let's go around real quick. My favorite question of the season. What new card are you most excited for?
01:27:44
Speaker
you ready to answer or should I go first?
01:27:49
Speaker
I don't know if I'm ready. Okay, I'll go first because I didn't think too hard about it. But also Okay.
01:28:00
Speaker
Because we talked a lot about playing. You're skipping a question. I want to know which and which of the new cards are you most excited to play? oh okay. Which of the new ones? so you If I were going to get Head Pull, I would say probably Head Pull. But I know I won't be able to get him. So I guess...
01:28:22
Speaker
Man, I'm so not excited about this season. It's not a great season. I guess zombie space. Which I don't. None of these cards move. Not a one. Zombie Captain Marvel.
01:28:34
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Oh, okay. All right. One of them. One of them moves. One of them moves. That'll be fun if I can get it. Yeah. Despite the fact I do think she is going to be somewhat limited. Hopefully that means I'll get to have fun with her more because other people will ah not be overplaying her to the point where I'm annoyed with mirrors.
01:28:55
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So that's my answer. Ben? My answer? is also Headpool. excited to play Headpool, possibly even with the the card that we ah all agreed on last month.
01:29:13
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I picked up Moira X for some reason, and I was unable to build anything that seemed to win very much with her. But hey, maybe Headpool's the card. Maybe Headpool ties the room together. What about that?
01:29:27
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like it. I'm considering it now. I didn't consider it when we were doing the the ratings for the cards. I wish I had, but like you know maybe there's something cute with one cost. Hey, what if what if in my new saying nice things about Black Swan era, what ah what if what if it's a Black Swan destroy deck?
01:29:45
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What about that? I'm into it. I don't even know. the The possibilities are endless. and love it. i I don't feel very strongly about any of these cards. I think ah Zombie Mr. Fantastic or Zombie Captain Marvel will probably be the one I end up playing the most.
01:30:03
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But I am most excited to play with Zombie Galacti because he's weird as hell. And I want to figure out how to do something with him. ye I love that. Oh, there's one thing I didn't say about Zombie Galactic. I've seen people suggest Mr. Negative because then he's a four then And I'm just like, when is making half your deck a 4-7 better than what Mr. Negative is already doing?
01:30:24
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Yeah. You don't want to flip your Iron Man. yeah You want to turn your 0-5 Iron Man into a 4-7? No. No, that's not anything. yeah Stop it. No, not it's not anything.
01:30:37
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Maybe you did the Ancient One and you turned your zombie Galacti into the Iron Man and then they're all Iron Men.
01:30:47
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my gosh. Is that... I don't know. You'd have to... Is that feasible? You could do that because you'd have to re-proc it but its text would be changed. I love the idea, though, of giving it some other...
01:30:58
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ability I don't know. If only there were ways to do that. Let me put towards the Galacti's clip. Yeah! Wait, getting it out with... Is Phoenix Force the most practical idea we've heard about Zombie Galacti all day? Because I feel like maybe it is, but it's still not very practical. Also, I just wanted to get in an honorable but but an honorable bla blah mention.
01:31:23
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ah Even though my heart is with Headpool, and there can be only one you know for whatever this category is. yeah I do want to shout out those nice little discard dudes, the zombie power man in Colonel America. I'm rooting for you. I'm believing I am probably more likely to play those cards than even Head Pool.
01:31:42
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So those are the cards I'm actually going to play, but they don't get the crown. Not for this one. And then one more question, which we started last season.
01:31:52
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Predict which of the existing cards is going to end up with the biggest play rate boost because of this season. ah The ones that we picked last season, ah we'll we'll review how that went.
01:32:05
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next week because this season's not over yet you know I don't think I'm going to win though I think Hitmonkey was not the best choice oh I played Hitmonkey this season and I had fun doing it just just today Warlock made him un playable but I don't i I would be surprised if he wins anyway we'll find out are we supposed to remember are you ready I'm going to go back and listen to that episode I know I picked Hitmonkey but I don't remember what you two picked um
01:32:36
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ah For me, for this one, though, I picked Kitty Pryde because of Zombie Sky, which is a very good guess. Ben? Shadow King. Did they revert Shadow King to 2-3? Is Shadow King 2-3 again?
01:32:52
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I think he's 2-2. is honestly two two Okay, well, Horde would be probably enough to get some people playing 3-3 Shadow King. That's what I think. Yeah, he's a 2-2.
01:33:04
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um I was going to say Shadow King, um which feels like cheating. and i don't think you totally can. I think he's going to get a big boost this season, but I don't think Horde's going to last. like i think we're all going to move on from it when not new. Maybe you set a dog to guard the zombies, right? If you start the horde early and you put Cosmo there, they can't mess with him. Yeah, you've got to protect it somehow.
01:33:31
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um i want to change. but I want a different answer. It's more interesting if there's a different answer. So just give me a second to think about it. You know, like we're playing with with zombie Captain Marvel.
01:33:44
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um Merlin already has a very high play rate for zombie Scarlet Witch, so I don't think it's going to be him.
01:33:51
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but a good car I feel like zombie Mr. Fantastic will be most obnoxious if we're giving out like, if I feel like we're giving out like awards, like most promising. Most likely to be obnoxious goes to zombie Mr. Fantastic.
01:34:06
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Yeah. Most likely to flop hard. um
01:34:14
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Just a bunch of zombie galacti flopped up dead on the beach like whales. I'm going to say Bucky Barnes for zombie Captain Marvel. I don't think it's actually a winner, but you know, it's a putting me on the spot, picking out something.
01:34:29
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i think that that's a good play. I don't want to say Hood because Hood already has a high play rate. If as I suspect. Everyone keeps on not playing Bucky Barnes.
01:34:41
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We can say that you also picked Shadow King. It's fine. i mean, like, i this time next month, don't feel bad just because I happened to go first and got to pick Shadow King before you could. Like, that's that's silly.
01:34:55
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Don't beat yourself up if nobody plays Bucky Barnes, which I suspect they will not.
01:35:03
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yeah it's i mean you're right in a sense it's best to pick the cards that are going to be popular i think zombie captain marvel is going to be popular i think she looks like a fun card that is also you think people are going to play bucky with her but yes okay okay you do you and they might they might i i'm no destroy expert that's for sure i'm a casual enthusiast at best i I don't think that she goes in traditional dis or a traditional destroy, so I'm trying to think of like a slightly different version of destroy.
01:35:35
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um Okay. And also trying
Marvel Zombies Episode Synopsis
01:35:38
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to think of a card that has a low play rate to begin with, because those have the most room to grow.
01:35:44
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On to our side quests. First up, and only this week, Secret Homework. This week's Secret Homework was from Ben. That's right. As I sometimes do when there's a new Marvel television thing. I'm like, hey, let's peep that.
01:36:01
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let's let's Let's get our eyeballs on that one. And you know what? I had the sand on and everything. I was taking it in with two of my senses. um And so we all watched.
01:36:13
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And probably listened the first episode of Marvel Zombies streaming now on Disney+. I can confirm. And ah just to give us a a little synopsis, I went right to the wiki's mouth again.
01:36:28
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So here's the the description of the episode. Episode one, directed by Brian Andrews. Teleplay by Zeb Wells. That's a fun name. Zeb Wells. That's so a comic writer.
01:36:40
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Yeah. Doesn't shock me. It's a good name. That's cool to get comic writer doing the screenplay. If you're a listener, like that they're both one syllable. That's fun.
01:36:53
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Whoa bubble there! Editor Lauren here ah to give you a quick heads up that Ben's about to read the synopsis for the entirety of episode one of Marvel Zombies ah without a spoiler warning. So i'm your spoiler warning.
01:37:06
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ah If that's something you care about, don't ah skip ahead to the next, to the next, skip past all of the secret homework. Find out what next week's secret homework is. ah There's timestamps in the, in the show notes and video description.
01:37:20
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Back to the show.
01:37:22
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Five years after a zombie virus devastates Earth, Kate Bishop, Riri Williams, and Kamala Khan survive together in New York. When they find a shrunken device inside a zombie shield agent, they travel to a shield base in Ohio to activate it.
01:37:34
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En route, they unknowingly enter the fighting between Icarus and a zombie Carol Danvers. Kate is killed in the chaos while Kamala and Riri are attacked by a zombie horde.
01:37:45
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Riri and her artificial intelligence, Friday, sacrifice themselves to take Kamala away from the battlefield where she is saved by Blade Knight, who takes her to Ohio. Upon arriving, they encounter Melina Vostokov, Alexei Shostakov, and Jelena Belova, who have taken refuge and are guarded by Melina's controlled zombies.
01:38:04
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They determine that the device is a transmitter that must be used in outer space to broadcast a signal to the Nova Corps. The base is attacked by a zombie horde led by Okoye, who serves the Red Queen, Wanda Maximoff.
01:38:16
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The horde, which includes the zombies Steve Rogers, Clint Barton, Ava Starr, and Emil Blonsky, storms and overwhelm the base's defenses. Though Alexei kills Rogers
Reactions to Marvel Zombies Episode
01:38:26
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and Blade Knight kills Starr, Melina sacrifices herself to allow the others to escape.
01:38:31
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Blade Knight reveals that he knows of a ship capable of reaching space. Okay, so are we going to do spoilers?
01:38:39
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Uh, yeah. For the first episode. I also watched the second episode. Uh-huh. But the first episode is what we're discussing here today. Correct. I and know i appreciate the reminder of what's in the first. I saw four.
01:38:56
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And what-if episode of Zombies, because I totally forgot what happened. and during that Oh, you skipped that one? Oh, okay. No, no, no. I saw it, but that's in the first season. It was four years ago.
01:39:07
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Yeah. Yes.
01:39:10
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um Well, I guess I will kick off the discussion. I was immediately struck like, wow, this animation is pretty pretty. i think it's i think yeah it's obviously you know in the style of the What If animation, but I thought it looked a little crispier even than the prettiest What If episodes.
01:39:27
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Yeah. um Other things that struck me, um i I liked our our characters.
01:39:38
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I'm always happy to see ah Kamala Khan around. you know she's Kamala Khan's just the actor who plays her on Ms. Marvel. is I forget her name, but she's very likable.
01:39:51
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And her enthusiasm is ah contagious, infectious. yeah not like Not like the zombie plague, though. like i want to... i want to receive the good vibes from Ms. Marvel.
01:40:05
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um Also, happy to see Riri and Kate. These are some good characters from some fun television shows, and I'm always like, how many chances are they going to get to to play these characters? I don't know.
01:40:18
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You know, the the future's uncertain. So it's just nice to see people even having fun in the animated ones. And ah other other thoughts I had. Man, I had some.
01:40:30
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But I did not have time to get my notes together um for this episode. It's been flying by the seat of my pants this week. What other thoughts did I have about Marvel Zombies?
01:40:43
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We can pass it around. thought David Harbour was always, yeah i I always think he's very funny. I feel like it's not it's not a very complicated ah game that he's playing as Red Guardian. like the it's It's all very one note, all the jokes and stuff, but like ah think it's funny every time.
01:41:03
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I don't know. I like Red Guardian.
01:41:09
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Anybody else have some thoughts? Yeah. So, ah yes, the trio was very enjoyable to watch. And I think it's like we've had plenty of zombies and apocalypses.
01:41:22
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And I think this thing of, like, letting, you know, letting little gal pals, like, do the apocalypse does feel... Like something slightly new and fresh to explore. Like we've seen a lot of like father-daughter relationships in the wilderness, random young man, uncaring Han Solo type man.
01:41:48
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and girls to be love interests and have some storylines so that it can be said they didn't have no storylines. And besides being the love interest. Anyway, we've explored all of that.
01:42:01
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And I kind of enjoy it. This is a zombie one. And like in a way, though, it reminded me of there's a comic series called Gotham Garage. that I don't know why.
01:42:14
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It's the the woman of DC, Batgirl, Supergirl and stuff in a post-apocalyptic, like Mad Max style world. and And it's like, more gal pals in the apocalypse. They're always like, what if it's a bunch of dudes smoking weed in the apocalypse? I'm like, yeah, but what if it was a bunch of cool ladies instead?
01:42:38
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We could do more of that. So I enjoyed that a lot. will admit there was a part because the episode felt like it went longer than I was expecting. Yes. acting yeah I put it on. agree.
01:42:50
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And it just kept going and going. And like I have had some kind of TV attention span problems and I was prepared for what I thought was smart a smaller amount of time.
01:43:01
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And then I did – find myself at one point playing snap. I don't know how it happened. it didn't it didn't mean to happen. it was just I just looked down and
Character and Plot Analysis
01:43:10
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there's snap there. And when I looked up again, Riri and Kate were dead.
01:43:15
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And I'm like, died heroically in sacrifice. And I'm like, this is another thing, though, with zombies. You just know, like, most people are going to die because this is an alt-universe. We can finally kill off heroes willy-nilly, which we already kind of do anyway, but that's with the expectation that they'll come back. so um So there's that.
01:43:39
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And then, okay, my other big no is I felt so bad for Blade Knight.
01:43:46
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He's such a boring character. Because it's like, okay, me anyway, because one, it's like the problem is they're making Knight, who is an ethereal avatar of a god who's got to be like, I have glowing eyes and I'm above all this.
01:44:01
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But usually that's paired with Moon Knight, who is a really fucked up, mentally ill dude. And it's like, is this the crazy talking or the moon god thing? Is the moon god thing even real?
01:44:13
Speaker
Are we sure? that's kind of the fun of Moon Knight. But Blade is too cool. Blade is way too cool. He's not fucked up enough. So it's like... The kind of humor they try to do with that serious avatar, it just falls a little flat. It just falls a little tropey. It doesn't have its own personality.
01:44:35
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So the whole time I'm like, Blade Knight, they did you dirty. It makes sense, right? It makes so much sense that Moon Knight would be Blade. They put it together lore-wise.
01:44:47
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It's like, like, i I see, I see why you did it. But sometimes two flavors, you know, they make sense that they would go together, but you just taste it on your tongue and you're like, could I have more personality, though?
01:44:59
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And felt like that was a tragedy for me of the first episode. I have one more thing about Blade Knight in particular ah that I meant to mention earlier, but um it's interesting that he looks like Mahershala Ali and does not have his voice.
01:45:20
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That was a strange choice. Nope. Oh. Nope. Okay. I thought I looked that up. and Okay. it's It's voice... who Who is the voice in the series? Where is this?
01:45:36
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i'm I read this on Wikipedia. I can't find who... like I looked up that it's not... Is it Wesley Snipes who is the original? I like i looked up it's not him. Wesley Snipes was in those those three, the the Blade trilogy of the the late 90s and early 2000s.
01:45:52
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It's Todd Williams as... Eric Brooks slash Blade Knight. It's also notable. They have like most of the voices are the MCU characters, but Spider-Man, I think is the one from friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
01:46:07
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Not Tom Holland. I loved the Gal Pals thing. I would watch an entire series of films. Oh, yeah. I wanted to hang out with them forever. They're charming.
01:46:18
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But they're like, they're zombie apocalypse versions. You know, when they're like, is it rock, paper, scissors? They do something to determine who has to dig out. Yes! And it's like, oh, I did the last gross thing. Like, it is it's is so good. And, you know, having watched all four episodes, and it's more of a...
01:46:37
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There is a cohesive story, but it jumps around like you're not following the same characters every time. um and And that's fine. And more of an anthology-ish feeling or at least jumping around between characters.
01:46:48
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But yeah, I would totally love a series that follows those three. And it's a shame that we lost two of them so quickly. um Although also like... in the as In the zombie apocalypse, you want stakes to matter.
01:47:00
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I thought Blade Knight was super cool, a very compelling character, and the combat is sick. But yeah, I agree that like the personality side is not as compelling. little yeah The other thing that stood out to me in the first episode is the choreography of the fight between Red Guardian and the top half of Captain America.
01:47:21
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cool. So how do you choreograph a fight between half of a superhero? And it they crushed it. It's so fun. um Also, did not realize it was Icarus.
01:47:34
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Like what? I don't do we even ever see him besides like blue flashes in the sky? um And Ghost also took us a while to figure out like that was my guess. But also, like, i haven't seen her teleport around that much before, but she was very cool.
01:47:46
Speaker
Zombie Ghost. It took me an abnormally long time to figure out who his agent was. And then finally,
Action and Choreography Review
01:47:54
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John, it's USH! I knew from the voice. I was like, i could tell that that that character was supposed to look like somebody, but I couldn't put it together. And then, you know, I i heard him saying something, and it reminded me of my favorite line in Thunderbolts, which is...
01:48:13
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It looks like Bob's dark side got superpowers. jesus No, I recognize Zemo and and John Walker, but i didn't I didn't realize that was in the first episode.
01:48:25
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um Oh, actually, I think they show up in the second episode. So we are okay out of bounds. Whoops. Hey, but I didn't accidentally spoil it for you. It's very fun and worth watching.
01:48:39
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I will give very minor, like, overarching spoilers for for the last episode. ah The ending is weird. So, I don't know. like I haven't gotten that far. I'm excited. I won't say any more or less than that because I know some people are very sensitive to spoilers, but like...
01:48:56
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um I don't want to say it like ruins the series or anything like that, but like, it really is just like, I would be interested to hear what other people think once they've seen last, the ending. Okay. I think I am on anything else before we go on to next week's assignment.
01:49:14
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Oh gosh.
01:49:18
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Just that it would have been more enjoyable. Like you were saying with the gal pals, it was almost kind of sad that had to end in zombie tropiness of like everyone's got to slowly die because it's zombies.
01:49:30
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i so There's some really good zombie fights. that's that's Yeah, fight are out of both. I was glad to be back into the animated universe. I spotted one watcher. I don't know how many there are, but I saw one.
01:49:46
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Um... Next week's homework, possibly predictable, but we're going into a zombie season. And I love that a lot of these zombies cards are like more or less connected to the abilities of the card that they're, you know, based on, you know, you got Colonel America who's using an ongoing ability to boost other cards at the location or zombie Captain Marvel who moves to win or zombie century who cares about the right location.
01:50:12
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because that's what Sentry does. I don't know. mom So I want you to create a zombie card and pick an existing card in the game, make a zombie variant of it that is at least somewhat, you know, spiritually connected ability-wise.
01:50:28
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That's the challenge. Should it have Horde? I don't think it has have Horde, but most of these cards don't. Like, it' it seems like about half of you do. I thought all the zombies do.
01:50:40
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Zombie Power Man doesn't. Colonel America doesn't. Galacti doesn't. And Captain Marvel doesn't. Yes, all of the cards have his Horde. Oh, and Zombie Mr. Fantastic has a foot in both worlds. Okay.
01:50:53
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okay All right, fair No, like half of cards this season have Horde. um So it doesn't have to, but you are certainly welcome to use Horde considering... Bonus points if you make Horde cool in some way.
01:51:04
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Yes! It feels so uncool to be honest. Make Horde exciting. Make the card that i want this season. Um... The extra credit for this last one was to draw a zombie.
01:51:17
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I did not. did not have time. But if I do, I will i ah post it to our speakeasy. How about that?
01:51:28
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Same with you, Jason. Oh, yes, that's right. Okay, this is the point where revealed I also did not have time. I was too busy with other stuff. That's why it's extra credit. Man, don't know. Maybe I'll talk about it I'll talk about it after the...
01:51:43
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after the After the guitars. That's what I'm telling. I have a fun anecdote. Viewers, if you liked what you heard or saw, um whatever, like, comment, subscribe, rate, review, leave a comment. If you're just listening to this in your podcast player ah that is not Spotify, then come over to Spotify or YouTube and leave us a comment. We we love your comments.
01:52:05
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um Also, come join us in the speakeasy. It's our little corner of Discord where you can chat with us and share your own secret homework. It's fun. and lighthearted, just like our show.
01:52:16
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ah The instructions to get there are in the show notes or video description. ah Maybe if I promise you a drawing of a zombie, you'll come hang out in the speakeasy. i will i'll I'll go out there. I'll promise a drawing of zombie. Yep, yep. There will be a zombie drawing.
01:52:29
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was going to do a base art of Valk as a zombie. I still might. I think that that's a fun pose. um We are proudly part of the Snap Judgments Network. that it's It's their Discord that we're glommed onto, where you can listen to other great shows like Snap Judgments by Pulse Glazer and Roy on Saturdays.
01:52:47
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um And there's guests and stuff like that. i Also, it's their turn to be featured, but but I'm going to be on Snap Decisions next week, so yeah watch out for that.
01:52:59
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Tune in. Can't miss. Okay. See what we think about our new zombie cards next episode. Same snap time. Same snap channel.
01:53:18
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okay so what i was doing when i should have been drawing a zombie i was back in my my the town where i grew up and i was playing some magic the gathering with the hometown homies and o and and unlike last time when we were all playing lord of the rings pre-cons i actually played one of my own magic the gathering decks that i built a very long time ago like I think the most recent card in that was 2013 or something. But like, pretty good. I won a lot.
01:53:51
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I don't know It was red-white. the The commander was Anax and Symed. And ah this is from, like, this was like right as I was getting out of Magic. So like I don't have any other cards from this set, really. like They were just like in one commander pre-con that I got like at that time. But...
01:54:11
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Anywho, it was Red White Soldiers. It was very unambitious. I got to play Acacia Javelineers, card that is like 31 years old. And I was like, wow, I'm playing an old old piece of cardboard.
01:54:25
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um Also, the last time I was in town playing ah Commander with the same hometown homies, that's when I encountered... ah What is it? Amass the Magic the Gathering keyword that is just horde. That's how I knew that this was ripping off a magic keyword.
01:54:43
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yeah So I have to i have to play some Magic the Gathering. I think he's allowed to do some borrowing. I mean, everybody's going to borrow from Magic because they've just been at it for so long. They've done so many card game things, you know. And they kind of nailed it on the first try.
01:54:59
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a a lot of the stuff they did, i i was struck when I was playing this Commander deck that I built all those years ago. There were... Like, I remember my intent when I built this deck, but, like, i was struck by how many goofy cards I'd made room for because, like, I didn't want it to...
01:55:18
Speaker
You know, like I don't I don't want. I don't want to win all the time. You know what I mean? Especially not like when I'm playing like commander with my friends. So like, yeah, just just like goofy ass, goofy, like bad cards in it. Like I was playing like mystic familiar from torment. It's this little, it's this little overpriced bird. It's one colorless and one white for a one, two flyer. And I think if if you have threshold, it gets like plus one, plus one or something.
01:55:45
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Like it's, I was playing like some real stankers. Do remember? But like they were flavorful and fun, and there were like nice little threads of synergy throughout. like the The main thing was soldiers, but also there were some birds and some things that cared about.
01:56:01
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I got to play Avon Brigadier. You never get to play Avon Brigadier. This iss a card that no one's ever played ever. um ah Yeah, I had a lot of fun. and Magic can be fun sometimes.
01:56:13
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Playing all your old cards can be fun. Do you remember a magic card called janara I feel like she was some kind of angel. remember I wrote this because I was playing magic. Something. Probably an angel. Yeah, she was like, it was like, I feel like I had her in a white, blue, green deck. But I remember in college i wrote a short story.
01:56:36
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but Featuring the... and janear But like, hurt not featuring her, the character, but the magic card. That's cool. Genara, the archangel or whatever?
01:56:47
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I forget. Anyway. Red and white, huh? I always prefer to magic to have my red with black. No. I played them all every which way. i like Grings a lot.
01:57:03
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This was, like, the only deck I could find that wasn't missing a bunch of cards because I sold them. So, like, it was all the all the lands were basic, but, like, very often with Commander decks, like...
01:57:16
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you're working with a very expensive mana base. don't play Commander. You're kinds of light artifacts and like you know you should surely you're playing your soul ring and all that stuff.
01:57:28
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But wow, I was budget Benny that day. It worked out fine because I was team small cards and a lot of these Commander games were one-on-one at first before more people showed up and like that's not how you should do it.
01:57:45
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don't know. Yeah, I had a low curve. Shocker. Yeah.