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NFC South Fantasy Football Breakdown (2QB/Superflex) | Bucky Irving, Baker Mayfield, Bijan Robinson & More!
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Welcome back to another electric episode of the Bush League Huddle Fantasy Football Podcast! 🏈
This week, Fab, Nacc and Rog are joined by a very special guest — Eli from Talkin’ Fantasy Football (@talkinffb) — for a deep dive into the NFC South, with a special focus on 2QB and Superflex formats. We’re breaking down every team, every position group, and every fantasy-relevant storyline you need to know heading into the 2025 season.
🔥 What’s inside:
- Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Can Baker Mayfield repeat his QB7 finish in Superflex? Is Bucky Irving a top-5 RB? Emeka Egbuka breakout incoming?
- Atlanta Falcons: Michael Penix Jr. bombs away offense, Bijan Robinson RB1 upside, and Kyle Pitts redemption arc? Drake London WR5?
- Carolina Panthers: Bryce Young’s late-season surge, Chuba Hubbard vs. Rico Dowdle, and the rise of Tetairoa McMillan.
- New Orleans Saints: Alvin Kamara’s fantasy value, Chris Olave’s injury concerns, and the QB battle between Tyler Shough and Spencer Rattler.
💬 Plus: Bold predictions, sleeper picks, bust alerts, and spicy debates that’ll help you dominate your 2QB/Superflex fantasy league.
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Transcript
00:00:06
Fab
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Introduction and Guest Appearance
00:00:07
Fab
Welcome back. Welcome back to another episode of the Bush League Huddle Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Fab. I'm Joe Myroger. Joe Mynac. And we've got a very very, very, very, very special guest on the episode today.
00:00:19
Fab
We have Eli from Talking Fantasy Football. Talking Fantasy Football is ah another fantasy football podcast that that you can find them on TikTok and on YouTube. Their handle is attalkingffb. That's T-A-L-K-I-N-F-F-B.
00:00:35
Fab
Eli, we're very excited to have you on the show today. On this wonderful episode that we have right now, we're going to be previewing the NFC South conference. We've already done the AFC East, AFC North, NFC East, NFC North, as well as the AFC South last week.
00:00:50
Fab
So please take a look at those episodes right after you're done listening to this one, because this one's going to be a doozy, I can tell you that much. um And as always, before we get rolling, please...
00:01:01
Fab
follow like subscribe to all of our social media content that we have out there. You can follow us on YouTube, Spotify, Tik TOK, Instagram, and Twitter. Uh, we interact with our fans all the time, pretty
NFC South Division Breakdown
00:01:14
Fab
much.
00:01:14
Fab
So, you know, if you're out there, you want to ask us some questions for the upcoming fantasy football season, uh, either ask us or ask Eli, cause you know what? I, his content is, is fire. Kudos to you, my friend.
00:01:25
Fab
Like your, your stuff is really, really good.
00:01:25
Roger Emeka
It really is.
00:01:27
Fab
So, uh, Either one of us, I mean, come to us first, but then go to Eli after, but make sure like you know you hit you hit all the bases there. So just quickly, you know, guys, this episode, we're going to be going through a little breakdown of every single team in the division.
00:01:38
Fab
We're going go through quickly some additions and fancy relevant draft picks, some burning questions and key stats for each roster. We're going go through each position group, break out some prospects, as well as potential sleepers, busts, and maybe some bold predictions for 2025. we enough time, don't know if we have enough time. I don't know if we're going to have enough time. We're going to see.
00:01:58
Fab
So let's ah let's get the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Analysis
00:02:00
Fab
ball rolling. Let's start off right out of the gates with but the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year in 2024, they finished 10-7. they made They were the only team in the division to make the playoffs.
00:02:14
Fab
They had a top five offense despite having an offensive coordinator turnover, which happened again this year because Liam Cohen is now with. There it is.
00:02:25
Nacc
Duval!
00:02:26
Roger Emeka
No.
00:02:26
Fab
there it is
00:02:29
Fab
So now they're actually on their third OC in three seasons. Their current offensive coordinator is Josh Gizzard. What a last name, eh? Gizzard. My God. He was actually the passing game coordinator for them in 2024. So there's a little bit of a continuity that continues from last year into this year.
00:02:45
Fab
you know, ranked third in total offense, fourth in scoring. And obviously, know, everyone's favorite rookie from last season, Bucky Irving, probably won a lot of people, a lot of fantasy championships. But there's still some other things that happened this year, too, that we think are super noteworthy.
00:02:59
Fab
Like, most importantly, we have the draft pick of one of my favorite picks this year was a wide receiver, Emeka Abuka, who already in camp right now is looking like he's he's looking he's coming as advertised, pretty much.
00:03:15
Fab
And all their key offensive starters are basically expected to return, obviously, apart from some of the injuries, notably Chris Godwin, who we'll get into later. But you know what? I mean, obviously we're off the bat.
00:03:25
Fab
One of the questions that we have is really can the Bucs survive another offensive coordinator change without regression? I think yes, because they've already done it so much. And then we're going to talk about the reason why I think so is because Baker Mayfield.
00:03:40
Fab
Baker Mayfield right now is he's going as quarterback seven at ADP. He also has the most passing touchdown since 2023. Wonderful stats. wonderful stat
00:03:50
Nacc
and is a fabs high school sweetheart.
00:03:52
Fab
He is. He is.
00:03:53
TalkinFFB
Thank you.
00:03:54
Fab
Hey, Matt, listen, I'll be the first one to say it. When Baker Mayfield was drafted into the NFL, he was not my favorite player. Maybe because he went to Cleveland, you know, but like all the stuff that came with him, I really wasn't a fan.
00:04:06
Fab
And I guess he didn't have the stats and all that stuff to back it up. But I guess going Carolina and then a little bit with the Rams humbled him. And now you can see what he's doing Tampa Bay. It's like good for you, man.
00:04:16
Fab
Like you're and he's killing it. And Even within the locker room, like he's very much a D guy, the leader in the locker room. So I give full props to Baker. But I guess from a fancy football standpoint and Eli, we're going to kick it off with you right now.
00:04:30
Fab
How do you feel about Baker Mayfield going into 2025? Does he give you QB one value right now is QB seven. Is that an, is that where he should be going with but as far as a ranking is concerned?
00:04:44
TalkinFFB
i I personally think it's a little too high. um Just looking at his overall stats from out his career, he had a, believe it was 51% increase in touchdowns from his career average to 41 season.
00:04:59
TalkinFFB
Um, so I'm just wondering if that's just like an outlier season for him. Is he going to be able to produce at that high of a level without Liam Cohen calling the plays? You mentioned Josh Grizzard.
00:05:11
TalkinFFB
Um, I think that's how you pronounce his name. I've i've been pronouncing it Grizzard. Um, but it could be Grizzard.
00:05:16
Nacc
You're probably right.
00:05:17
TalkinFFB
Uh, yeah.
00:05:17
Fab
Yours is probably right. I'm im um um' known for mispronouncing everything on this podcast.
00:05:22
Roger Emeka
think Fab said Gizzard.
00:05:24
Fab
Did I? say i said I said Grizzard. Okay, Grizzard. Let's go, Grizzard.
00:05:30
TalkinFFB
what and What, however you pronounce it, I just have my questions with him.
00:05:30
Fab
You were saying, like I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
00:05:34
TalkinFFB
I mean, I know he was with the ah the team previously as the passing game coordinator, but he's never called plays in the NFL. And so I'm just wondering how that's that whole transition is going to happen and whether last season really was just an outlier season for Baker Mayfield.
00:05:50
TalkinFFB
Yeah. They also don't have Tristan Wirfs to start the year as he's recovering from his knee injury. ah So just a bit uncertainty there on that offensive line and just overall with the the play caller.
00:06:03
Nacc
Those are great stats. I really like that 50% over his career average in touchdowns, which, yeah, I guess you could kind of see it. I still think he's top 10 worthy. Maybe seven could be a little too high, but I mean, if the trend continues, then you're you're kind of laughing in that top 10 trajectory. But I think you made me think about it a little bit more with those stats. And but those stats and And that would have been my point as well as the Tristan Wurst, that he's not going to be there to start the year, which is going to be yeah a bit tough as well.
00:06:40
Roger Emeka
I feel like he's...
00:06:40
Fab
Roger, you want you want to push back a bit, feel.
00:06:42
Roger Emeka
No, it's... like if i If I look at where he's nestled into as QB7, he's right after Mahomes at six. ah He's before Bo Nix. Kyler Murray's nine, which I like i don't understand.
00:06:54
Roger Emeka
Dak Prescott's moving up quite a bit, which I think everyone is is kind of feeling the Dak Prescott love with with the George hick Pickens addition. It feels like he's well-placed, but like Eli, I have some reservations.
00:07:08
Roger Emeka
like to twenty It's also the 20 turnovers last year. He gave like 16 interceptions is a lot, right?
00:07:10
TalkinFFB
but
00:07:12
Roger Emeka
Like, And I like he got lucky with some of them where there could have been more. had four games with four plus TDs. so that was That was against the Commanders, Saints, Chargers, and Panthers. How repeatable is he going to have four games with four plus TDs?
00:07:26
Roger Emeka
And if you look at the playoff rematch against the Commanders, he was very average. but So he he he looked great against the Commanders early in the year. And when they saw them again, he did not look good at all. So...
00:07:37
Roger Emeka
And just finally, looking at some like older veteran QBs like a Matt Hasselbeck, Jake Delholm, Matt Schaub, and even Alex Smith, when they finished in the top 10 in fantasy,
00:07:51
Roger Emeka
one year the next year some of them finished whether it was 25th 13th alex smith finished 31st the year after he was ah he had a fourth place fantasy finish so and those guys have are and they were in their eighth or ninth season so i think to eli's point there's looks like a big outlier for me and and i find it a bit risky with with where he's placed personally
00:08:16
Fab
So the the year prior to this one, he actually finished as QB 10.
00:08:16
Nacc
I disagree.
00:08:20
Fab
So QB seven might be a little bit high, but I think we're still talking about a QB one overall, a top 10, top 12 guy. So I don't disagree completely, but I would still pump the brakes in my opinion, just to say that is 41 an outlier.
00:08:33
Fab
Most likely it is, but I think, you know, you can, you can expect QB one numbers on a week to week basis with Baker Mayfield. Maybe he's not going in the spot that you expect him to, but Raj to your point, like,
00:08:44
Fab
Would you rather have Bo Nix over Baker Mayfield as a QB one?
00:08:50
Roger Emeka
He offers the rushing upside. um I have reservations about Bo Nix too, personally. um
00:08:55
Fab
Yeah. So, I mean, there's definitely like the, the, the Bo Nix is a color marriage, Dak Prescott.
00:08:56
Roger Emeka
But...
00:08:58
Nacc
but I think I would take Fields over him.
00:09:00
Fab
I think only Dak is the guy that was that.
00:09:00
Roger Emeka
Yeah, i agree. i would probably take...
00:09:01
Nacc
out i would go Fields over him. Maybe even like Justin Herbert.
00:09:05
Fab
Hmm.
00:09:08
Fab
See, Justin Herbert, I mean, we're not going to talk too much about the Chargers, but in the last few days, man, I feel like the Chargers have not been very lucky with injuries and a bunch of other stuff that gives me a little more pause.
00:09:19
TalkinFFB
Yeah, they just lost Rayshon Slater as well.
00:09:21
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:09:21
Nacc
Yeah, for the year.
00:09:21
Fab
Yeah.
00:09:22
Nacc
That was a big loss.
00:09:22
Fab
Yeah.
00:09:23
Roger Emeka
The roster construction is it's just weird, I find.
00:09:23
Fab
So that's pretty much. Yeah.
Buccaneers' WR and RB Potential
00:09:26
Fab
But speak, we're going to move on. So I kind of, how we feel about Baker Mayfield, we're going to move on to a player that screams good roster construction, especially the running backs over here. We've got Bucky Irving and Rashad White.
00:09:37
Fab
So, Now, I don't think we have to talk too much about how much you absolutely adore Bucky Irving currently going as RB8. I think for you, that's a little bit too low, right?
00:09:48
Nacc
Yeah, and I, look, we saw what he did last year and how high he finished last year without even starting the year as the as the starter. They kind of, they had Rashad White penciled in there and then they finally, i think Rashad White had an injury and then kind of gave him the the full workload down the stretch and he was um dominant, downright dominant.
00:10:12
Nacc
Look, we know there's a different coordinator, we know he hasn't called plays, but I feel like
00:10:16
Fab
Thank you.
00:10:16
Nacc
you see a ah star there. you're You're not just going to forget to give him the ball and to kind of give it to him, you know, often. This is a guy we've been talking about a lot, and i still feel he can push for those top five numbers in his in his second second season, um top five in in and RB.
00:10:37
Nacc
im I like what I see. He looks amazing in camp as well, and I think you're we're in for a huge season of Bucky Irving.
00:10:46
Fab
So, top five. Name me the guys that you would take before him.
00:10:52
Nacc
Bijan Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, Saquon Barkley.
00:10:58
Nacc
That's it.
00:10:59
Fab
Really?
00:11:01
Nacc
I'm CMC. No, HN. No, Jenty. No.
00:11:05
Roger Emeka
God, HN so overvalued. They had it every year.
00:11:07
Nacc
Yeah.
00:11:07
Fab
Yeah, eight Chinas, that's a different
00:11:08
Nacc
Maybe Derek Henry, maybe Derek Henry.
00:11:13
Nacc
But after that, like.
00:11:15
Fab
Eli, what say you?
00:11:18
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I think he's going about where I would have him. I think he probably finishes around RBA, made like the lower end running back ones.
00:11:30
TalkinFFB
um The thing that I just question is if he can sustain his efficiency. He had 5.42 yards per carry, fourth in the NFL, um on only a 49% opportunity share.
00:11:43
TalkinFFB
It kind of reminds me of Devon HN's ah situation where A-chan was highly efficient his rookie year and then, you know, isn't as efficient his sophomore year, but made up for it in PPR format because of how involved he was in the passing game.
00:12:00
TalkinFFB
um But then with Rashad White there, how much is Bucky really going to be involved in the passing game? So I think he's an electric player. I think he's a great player. The best running back that the Bucs have.
00:12:12
TalkinFFB
It's just how much of the opportunity share is he going to get?
00:12:16
Fab
I think he might even have more of an opportunity share this year than last year.
00:12:16
Nacc
White is hurt, no?
00:12:20
Fab
I get your point. And and the Devon, yeah, i the Devon Achan comp is good.
00:12:21
TalkinFFB
I believe so, too. Yeah.
00:12:24
Fab
I just want to, in that sophomore year that A-Chan did slump a little bit, I think that also had to do with Tua being injured from the majority of that season. And we all know how well A-Chan does when Tua does play.
00:12:32
TalkinFFB
Mm-hmm.
00:12:32
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:12:36
Fab
I mean, those, those, yeah, like it's, it's stark.
00:12:36
Roger Emeka
It was like a 10 point difference in points per game.
00:12:40
Fab
It's ridiculous. ah So I think that has to do with it as well, but no, but your, your point is very well taken, but RB8 for me, Bucky Irvin, like he's, it's a good spot. Now I'm going to push back a little bit just because I don't, I don't know if I see the same upside as you do.
00:12:53
Fab
And, Again, you know, we talk about how quarterbacks have sophomore slumps. Like, I don't see why running backs would necessarily be removed from that exception.
00:12:59
Nacc
Thank you.
00:13:03
Fab
and And as I'm saying that, like, the only guy that I would probably consider before Bucky is like a Derrick Henry. And if I want to play it super safe, like Josh Jacobs, you know, but Bucky is for me, definitely a top 10, like knocking on the door for top five.
00:13:19
Roger Emeka
The talent is there. I think, I think Naks perception is fair because the talent is so good. I think he's ranked below those guys because he's still has some competition.
00:13:25
Fab
For sure.
00:13:31
Roger Emeka
were saying Rashad why i think he's day to day, but he had six receiving touchdowns last year and, Bowles loves him in pass protection. And I feel Todd Bowles is one of those coaches that he's old school. you know, he wants the guy. He still wants to play the guy that's really good in pass pro. He wants to play the guy who's trusted.
00:13:45
Roger Emeka
And we're we're forgetting a guy that's also in that backfield and Sean Tucker, who Bowles during preseason and camp said he had a really good game.
00:13:50
Fab
Yes. Yes.
00:13:50
TalkinFFB
Mm-hmm.
00:13:51
Fab
yeah
00:13:53
Roger Emeka
And he's, he told the offensive staff, we need to get the ball. This guy, the ball as well. If we recall when irvy Irving needed to be spelled against the saints, Tucker had 14 carries for 136 yards. He looked absolutely fantastic, and he's a really talented player out of ah Syracuse. So I think they're going to factor in all those three backs in there.
00:14:16
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I like that Sean Tucker pool. I had some notes written down on him. He I think that, yeah, he's a efficient ball carrier, had six point one yards per carry in limited opportunities.
00:14:22
Fab
We did.
00:14:26
TalkinFFB
You mentioned that game against New Orleans in week six, 34 fantasy points in PPR leagues, almost 200 total yards that game. It like he's somebody that they do that should be getting involved. He is talented enough.
00:14:39
TalkinFFB
um So it's a crowded backfield. But I think Bucky Irvin is is the best one in that backfield.
00:14:44
Roger Emeka
we had a i remember, guys, we remember we had like ah like a lot of posts about Sean Tucker after that game.
00:14:49
Fab
we did
00:14:50
Roger Emeka
like our Our socials were going crazy because like this is ah this seems like fool's gold.
00:14:52
Fab
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:53
TalkinFFB
yeah
00:14:55
Fab
yeah
00:14:55
Roger Emeka
didn't really see him afterwards, but the talent was definitely there.
00:14:58
Fab
yeah and definitely a running back room to monitor, but yeah, definitely Bucky Irving is going to be the the guy to have in there. Now we're going to go to the wide receivers, maybe a little bit more murky, I feel like.
00:15:08
Fab
So there's, you know, father time there, Mark, Mike Evans, who's just, you know, the red zone monster that he is.
00:15:11
TalkinFFB
Thank you.
00:15:14
Fab
Chris Godwin, who's coming off a broken ankle. I don't think he's going to be ready to start the season. And even if he goes in, if starts like week two, I think there's a ramp up period. So he's currently going as wide receiver 29. The,
00:15:26
Fab
the The most interesting one, in my opinion, is Zemecha Buka, Roger, your namesake over there, going as wide receiver 51. And then we got Jalen McMillan, who, you know what, finished 2024 really, really well, and coming in in relief when there was some injuries, especially to Chris Godwin.
00:15:41
Fab
So it's a nice wide receiver route, if you think about it, right? So out of those four guys, though, I mean, are there any ones that you're necessarily targeting, Roger?
00:15:53
Roger Emeka
I have to talk about Emeka Ibuka. um
00:15:55
Fab
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:15:56
Roger Emeka
Just camp, preseason.
00:15:59
Fab
Yeah, it looks good.
00:15:59
Roger Emeka
Some of the quotes from some of the players.
00:15:59
Fab
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:16:00
Roger Emeka
Mike Evans saying he's a true professional. Josh grizzardard Grizzard was saying he has super high praise for him. Baker Mayfield called him an absolute stud. if you look at If you go back and look at his numbers at OSU,
00:16:09
TalkinFFB
Thank you.
00:16:12
Roger Emeka
OSU that has had wider receivers like Garrett Wilson, Michael Thomas, JSN, Terry McLaurin, Chris Carter. He is the all-time reception leader at OSU. He has the most receiving yards at OSU as well.
00:16:26
Roger Emeka
And if you look at his profile, he's not just a ah slot guy. He could play inside. he could play outside. He could go yak. True professional. I think he's going to... not be but he's going to flirt with... He's going to be, in my opinion, the second-best wide receiver on that team, especially considering Chris Godwin is going to be injured.
00:16:45
Roger Emeka
um So it's for me, Abuka would be the nice value pick. I think Evans is always solid, but it is always that, like, when is it going to fall off for Mike Evans?
00:16:56
Fab
Yeah.
00:16:56
Nacc
I agree. He's 51 is insane value. I feel like you're, you're talking around the, the, the likes of, you know, IU and Christian Kirk and Coleman and Tillman, even like Darnell Mooney going ahead of him.
00:17:13
Nacc
he's just right behind. Like these guys we're talking about are just, are guys that are not going to put up solid fantasy numbers, right? There may be plug and play at times. And,
00:17:25
Nacc
Man, from what I've been seeing at Camp 2, it's really impressive. i this was This was my favorite wide receiver coming out of the draft.
00:17:33
Fab
Yeah, same.
00:17:33
Nacc
um I was actually hoping that Pittsburgh was going to take him.
00:17:33
Fab
Yeah, same
00:17:37
Nacc
But really, really loved the kid. And i think he's going to have... Like Fab said... um With Chris Godwin slated to miss at least the beginning of the season and not be at 100% for a few weeks, ah this is his time to kind of take the bull by the horns and like grab that that wide receiver two spot on the team. And I think the sky's the limit.
00:18:00
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I mean, I agree with with all of what you guys just said. I think the Godwin injury really opens the door for him um to really come in and solidify himself early on, if especially if he's performing at a high level.
00:18:12
TalkinFFB
Even when Godwin comes back, I don't think they're taking him off the field.
00:18:16
Nacc
It'll be really hard to.
00:18:18
TalkinFFB
Mm-hmm.
00:18:18
Fab
they they can play three wide receivers anyways. and And when Godwin does come back, he's not going to be at full strength probably until like the middle the middle of the season. and And with the type of injury that he had too, like I don't know what his reports are of him coming out of camp, but just feel like it's going to be a little bit more difficult for him. And I'm like, for what it's worth, I am rooting for Chris Godwin.
00:18:36
Fab
Like I had him on my team last year and you saw the consummate professional that this man was even after that injury.
00:18:39
Nacc
and All those fantasy players.
00:18:45
Fab
Like you saw him on the stretch and he's like, all right, go back to work. It's like, you know what? This guy just lost the whole season. He's already thinking about next year. Like you got to get props to that.
00:18:51
Roger Emeka
He was WR3 before his injury, I believe.
00:18:54
Fab
Dude, he was killing it last year.
00:18:56
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:18:57
Fab
He was murdering it last year.
00:18:59
Roger Emeka
I have to... That wide receiver core is so well built.
00:18:59
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:19:02
Roger Emeka
like I think it might be the one of the best in the league.
00:19:02
Fab
Yeah.
00:19:05
Roger Emeka
like and you know We didn't talk about McMillan, but he was so good.
00:19:05
Fab
Yeah.
00:19:08
Roger Emeka
He was so good, it was weird that they even drafted Ibuka.
00:19:11
Nacc
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:11
Fab
Yeah.
00:19:12
TalkinFFB
Yeah. I was confused by that pick at first.
00:19:16
Fab
But now it makes sense.
00:19:16
Nacc
And now they look like geniuses.
00:19:17
Roger Emeka
Yeah, for sure.
00:19:18
TalkinFFB
Yeah, no.
00:19:18
Nacc
So far, so good.
00:19:19
Fab
So are we still too low on Baker Mayfield with all those wide
Atlanta Falcons' 2024 Recap and Prospects
00:19:22
Fab
receivers? We're going to keep it rolling. We're going to keep on going. And finally, we would be remiss if we wouldn't talk about Mr. Cade Auton. I think he's just a streamer at tight end right now. um I mean, we every single time we do a division preview, we talk about like the top three, top four tight ends, and everybody else after that just a streamer.
00:19:39
Fab
So I think it's the same thing with Cade. In fact, there are... injuries that happened to the majority, probably in this case, I think all of the wide receivers, then Mr. Auten won't necessarily be getting that much production. Mind you, last year he did, he did have a quite a few games where he, he put up some serious numbers when, when the entire room was, was out, but probably the same thing. and And for this year as well.
00:20:04
TalkinFFB
Yeah, he had a good stretch of games from, it was week three to nine, where he was just producing at a high level.
00:20:05
Fab
Yeah.
00:20:13
TalkinFFB
And it was mainly because, you know, injuries to to the people around him.
00:20:14
Fab
yeah
00:20:18
Fab
Yeah, his production really popped off when Godwin got hurt because they were playing, I guess, a similar role in that ah in that sense. And then McMillan came in, but it was all the same. Another one of the streamers within the tight end category.
00:20:31
Fab
But we're going move on to the Atlanta Falcons, and we're going talk about a very, very interesting tight end at some point. And he's actually, Eli, you don't know this, but he's he's Roger's favorite player.
00:20:40
Nacc
I am
00:20:42
Fab
to ever grace the football field, but we're going to get into that later on. quick twenty twenty four recap and So Tony Gonzalez, exactly.
00:20:46
Roger Emeka
Tony Gonzalez.
00:20:46
TalkinFFB
Excited.
00:20:49
Fab
Yes, yes.
00:20:49
Nacc
i am
00:20:49
Fab
the unre The retired tight end for the Falcons.
00:20:50
Nacc
soza
00:20:54
Fab
Finished 8-9 last year. yeah John Robinson was RB3 overall. 365 touches. Second most ah Offense leaned heavily on him.
00:21:05
Fab
And, you know, the Kirk Cousins experiment being what it is right now, obviously a a failed experiment at that. And, you know, at the time last year when they drafted Michael Penix Jr., everyone thought that they that was the craziest, most ridiculous, stupidest move that could have been done by a team that just gave all that money to Kirk Cousins.
00:21:25
Fab
And it looks like we all ate crow because clearly they knew what they were doing. And maybe they didn't have as much faith in Kirk Cousins as everyone thought they did. But now Michael Penix is clearly going to be the guy for this year. So, you know, the the majority of their changes happened on defense. In particular, they finally drafted some defensive ends because Atlanta has been, i mean, before these ones, the last defensive ends they drafted were like almost a decade ago.
00:21:50
Fab
So they drafted Jalon Walker and James Pierce Jr. in the first round. So obviously the biggest name here that we have to really discuss as to how it's going to play out in 2025 is Michael Penix Jr. And he's, he played a few games last year where he started, I think was the last three games the season.
00:22:11
Fab
Started off a little bit rough, but then you can see him get much more comfortable pushing the ball downfield, really opening up the playbook. So right now I think his ADP or his quarterback 24,
00:22:23
Fab
I mean, there's big arm, ton of talent. Like I said, he should be able to push the ball downfield. And he looks like he's about to have ah a really good rapport with Kyle Pitts as well. But mind you, I feel like every quarterback says that whenever they play for Atlanta. So as yet to be seen.
00:22:36
Fab
So, Knack, we're going to start off with you. Kyle Pitts, Michael Penix Jr. at QB24. Do you see him as your QB2 or in your Superflex spot next year?
00:22:47
Fab
And do you feel comfortable about that?
00:22:52
Nacc
This one's tough. I think he's ranked perfectly, to be honest. 24-25 is kind of along the lines where I would be you know snagging him.
00:23:04
Nacc
I don't know if I'm comfortable right off the bat as a Obviously, we start two QBs. I'm not sure if I'm right off the bat comfortable every week, week in, week out.
00:23:11
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:23:16
Nacc
It was a small sample size. um Again, nothing on tape for for defensive coordinators to kind of scheme around and kind of see the player he is. We kind of still don't know what type of player he's going to be in the NFL because we haven't seen that much of him.
00:23:30
Nacc
So that's where my head goes. i like I like to try to pick more towards having more having having more more seasons, more veteran type guys, more guys that have ah you know, been there, done that kind of thing. You've you've seen two or three years of of what they've got, especially in those valuable starting positions. So for me, I'm very intriguing player in 2025 or 2026, I guess, 2025, 2026.
00:23:58
Fab
Eli, what do you think?
00:23:59
Nacc
Very intriguing player for me. I'm really, you know, I'm excited to see what that offense looks like. But I think he's perfectly rated at that 24-25 spot. twenty four twenty five spots
00:24:14
Fab
eli what do you think
00:24:15
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I wouldn't rank him any higher or lower. um I do like the... am very intrigued by him this year. um I think if you end up in a position in your draft where maybe a run on quarterbacks go and you're just, you know, you're quote-unquote, you know, stuck with him, I think you're going to be fine.
00:24:36
TalkinFFB
Like, it's not... you know, going to be comfortable going into the season, like just looking at him on your roster just because of the small sample size. But I think he is going to adapt, you know, basically going into his rookie year, just had three games last year.
00:24:50
TalkinFFB
We saw last year with Bo Nix, took him time to acclimate to the NFL. But this is a guy who passed for over 4,600 yards in college his last two years in Washington, 30 plus passing touchdowns, you know, a full training camp as the QB one.
00:25:05
TalkinFFB
I think he I think he's going fun.
00:25:10
Fab
Go for Raj. I know you want to talk about this, Mike. I know you love him.
00:25:12
Roger Emeka
No, no it's no. I think everyone's everyone said everything that that made sense. It's going bombs away for for this guy.
00:25:16
Fab
I...
00:25:17
Roger Emeka
It's ah it's it's outside the numbers.
00:25:17
Fab
I...
00:25:19
Roger Emeka
it's It's going to be not high completion percentage. It's going to be... Like his last game that you know that was probably his best one against Carolina, he went from five to eight um air yards per attempt.
00:25:28
Fab
Yeah.
00:25:32
Roger Emeka
That's what you're going to see, especially with the type of talent with the type of wide receivers, but you know with London and Pitts. and I think Mooney's injured.
00:25:39
Fab
Mooney.
00:25:40
Roger Emeka
but It's going to be bombs away. It's going to be really fun. It's going to be very volatile. For me, i think more lines the along the lines of what Naxx said, I'm more inclined to have maybe a veteran at QB2.
00:25:53
Roger Emeka
And if I could get him at a QB3 flyer and he has high upside, i will eventually move him to QB2. But a little high for me to, I wouldn't be super comfortable with him being my QB2.
00:26:05
Fab
You know, considering the other quarterbacks are going in that spot, like safe from Matthew Stafford, just because we don't know they're what's going on with the back situation, but he would be the perfect QB2 in my opinion. I don't know.
00:26:16
Fab
I kind of like the upside quite a bit. And I feel like i a QB2, like assuming that your first quarterback is the set it and forget it guy that's going to get like, let's say you take one of the top five or top six guys, right?
00:26:27
Fab
You can, you can, roll the dice a little bit with your QB too and get someone a little more volatile with that upside. I know a knack that didn't work out for you last year with Anthony Richardson, but I mean like from, from a real quarterback perspective here, like Michael Penix Jr. is super interesting and the offensive weapons that are around him are good.
00:26:48
Fab
Like we didn't even talk about Darnell Mooney who had like a resurgence last year on that team. So I just feel like QB 24, like I can definitely see him outperforming that ADP.
00:27:00
Fab
And from the other crop of quarterbacks that are in that area, I like his upside a little bit more. Roger.
00:27:07
Roger Emeka
Well, to that point, right, like Tua is currently ranked at QB 21. I would much rather go with Michael Penix Jr., who has a higher chance to actually break out way more than what is.
00:27:17
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:18
Roger Emeka
You know what Tua is going to be.
00:27:20
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:20
Roger Emeka
You know what...
00:27:21
Fab
yeah Exactly.
00:27:22
Fab
Geno Smith, know what it's going to be.
00:27:22
Roger Emeka
kind of know what Matthew Stafford's going to be too because they're they're a run-heavy offense nowadays and you kind of know what you know maybe we don't know what Sam Darnold is but i i think we're all kind of concerned whether or not he's gonna without Kevin O'Connell he's gonna be able to do the same thing but I think to your point it's uh there's a lot of there's a lot of reward if uh if Michael Penix Jr.
00:27:26
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:35
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:41
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:41
Roger Emeka
breaks out
00:27:42
Fab
and and And maybe not as much risk as might be perceived, I think.
00:27:45
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:27:47
Fab
And another guy who's going to have quite a bit of reward, in my opinion, at least, he's going against my RB1 is Bijan Robinson.
Bijan Robinson and Drake London Discussion
00:27:52
Fab
um I know there might be a bit of a usage red flag just for he had 360 some odd touches and there is a bit of that perception, let's call it, you know, with 350 plus touches the previous year, there's a bit of a dip the following year.
00:28:09
Fab
and don't know. ah don't really buy that necessarily. I did a little bit of I did a little bit of a research on that just to see exactly how consistent that is. And in some cases it is, in some cases it isn't. And I just feel like B. John Robinson is going buck that trend. If there it really is a trend, you really saw him come into the offense. You really saw him play like that eighth overall pick that you expect them to play with a play as, excuse me.
00:28:31
Fab
So I don't know. I'm, I'm fully invested in B. John Robinson this year. Nothing against Jameer Gibbs. If I end up with Jameer Gibbs instead of B. John, like I won't be upset. Same thing with Saquon. If you had to ask me today, though, who do I think is going to finish RB1 overall? my opinion, I think it's going to be Joan Robinson.
00:28:48
Roger Emeka
I'm coming more around to the Bijon Robinson. ah Sports Illustrated said they have, but basically by looking at the schedules, they have the number one easiest schedule. RB's running back schedule in fantasy for 2025. And the Lions did lose Frank Ragnow and Kevin Zeitler. So they did lose two offensive linemen. They did lose Ben Johnson, obviously, you know TBD on how much impact that will have.
00:29:09
Roger Emeka
But I think Panics will help create more running lanes because they're going to throw it deep.
00:29:17
Nacc
Yeah, look, it's it's B. John Robinson. Like I said, the top three backs in this in this fantasy, like you're you're not missing. You're not missing on any of them. Like there's not really much to say on this guy.
00:29:30
Nacc
He's you're getting absolute superstar.
00:29:30
Fab
Yep. Yeah.
00:29:33
Nacc
And whether he finishes one, two or three, it's not going to be by, you know, three by 50 points. You know, it'll be five to ten point difference, in my opinion.
00:29:45
TalkinFFB
Yeah. I mean, I'm not worried about vision either. Um, you know, just turned 23 in January, less tread on the tires, you know, he's around that peak age for, for running back.
00:29:52
Fab
yeah
00:29:54
TalkinFFB
So I think he's gonna be just fine.
00:29:59
Fab
Now, is Drake, sorry, go ahead, Nak.
00:29:59
Nacc
I like the easy ones.
00:30:01
Fab
What was that?
00:30:02
Nacc
I like the easy ones.
00:30:03
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:30:03
Fab
Yeah, this is, we're just going to keep a rolling here. Now, is is Drake London going to be in one of the easy ones as well? Right now, going as wide receiver nine, last year, he finished as wide receiver five in a PPR.
00:30:16
Fab
So are we a little bit too low on Drake London? That's like, we're talking about, is he ever going to break out? Didn't we see him break out last year, finishing as wide receiver five?
00:30:26
Nacc
The problem with wide receiver five, like thinking in my mind, like, look, I think he's perfectly ranked again. that He's number nine. and don't think any of any of us here are going to take Drake London over Brian Thomas, Nico Collins, Puka Nakua, AJ Brown, Malik Neighbors, Jefferson, Lamb and Chase.
00:30:48
Nacc
Like, is there really one that you're going to take over over Drake London?
00:30:53
Fab
Maybe Puka.
00:30:55
Nacc
Puka?
00:30:56
TalkinFFB
Yeah, maybe maybe Pukko just because of the Stafford issue.
00:30:59
Nacc
the Stafford issues.
00:30:59
Fab
Yeah.
00:31:00
TalkinFFB
um
00:31:02
Fab
But I get your point, though.
00:31:02
TalkinFFB
Maybe even Nico, in my opinion. um But, you know, that's putting him up at wide receiver seven.
00:31:08
Fab
That hurts.
00:31:10
TalkinFFB
So.
00:31:10
Fab
no We're splitting hairs here, and I agree with the Nico part, too, because the injury concern is always going an injury concern for me when it comes to Nico. But Drake London, to me, man, is Heath.
00:31:21
Fab
I think he's almost, he's pretty much there as a set of forever wide receiver one now.
00:31:26
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I don't think you can go wrong with him if you're picking him.
00:31:31
Roger Emeka
It's a small sample size, but in the three starts that Penix had, his points per game jumped from 15.1 points per game with Kirk Cousins to 23 points per game with Penix.
00:31:42
Roger Emeka
And he had a 39% target share with him and a 45% first Great point.
00:31:45
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:31:47
Roger Emeka
read rate
00:31:48
Fab
And that also takes into account the only two good games that Kirk Cousins had when he threw first 12 touchdowns versus the Bucs.
00:31:56
Roger Emeka
great point
00:31:57
Fab
So I don't know. I think i think Drake London is going to go as a low-end wide receiver one and finish off the year as a mid-tier to top-end wide receiver one, I think.
00:32:07
Fab
I don't think it's out the realm of possibility at all.
00:32:10
Roger Emeka
I've told Knack and Fab this, like stylistically, he's not my favorite wide receiver. like you know Like he's not like fluid. He's more like of a like a big guy, like catch radius guy, but it works.
00:32:19
Fab
yeah
00:32:21
Roger Emeka
And I think maybe that's why his the perception of him is a little bit lower than like a Malik Neighbors and a Brian Thomas Jr. and even like a Nico Collins.
00:32:29
TalkinFFB
Yeah, not not a super flashy type of dude, but but he gets it done.
00:32:31
Roger Emeka
No. Yeah.
00:32:33
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:32:36
Fab
And Darnell Mooney too, like vertical threat, definitely late round sleeper. i know last year he surprised a lot of people, myself included. Going right now is wide receiver 49 in a pretty decent spot around guys like Gene and Reed.
00:32:49
Fab
Cooper Kopp, Matthew Golden, who's probably the only guy would consider over him, Rashid Shaheed, and also Amekha Buka not too far behind. But Darnell movie does actually have a lot of value at that wide receiver 49 spot. So there's definitely a lot of quality depth that you can have later on taking a part in this offense because you figure Michael Penix, like you said, Roger, right? Like he's going to push the ball downfield. His his average air yards per throw, whatever that's that stat that you would threw out there, has been increasing every single game.
00:33:20
Fab
So obviously that just feeds into the Dornom movie too. But there is one player that we have to have a conversation about.
00:33:30
Fab
Mr. Kyle Pitts.
00:33:33
Nacc
Say his name, Rog.
00:33:33
Fab
He is athletic. but he has a low floor. And after three down years, how much are we trusting Kyle Pitts? And I just want preface, he's doubled his touchdown output every single year since he came into the NFL.
00:33:44
Fab
He went from one to two to four.
00:33:49
Fab
I think it's important to mention that he's been doubling his touchdown output. I would listen. I think tight end 19 taking a flyer, taking a flyer on Kyle Pitts. I think this is the year it pays off now.
00:34:01
Fab
want to record this and bring it back to me next year, and I'm going to say the same thing over again, go right ahead. But I don't know. I'm willing to take a chance on Kyle Pitts.
00:34:13
Fab
don't know how you guys feel about it, but that's how I feel about it.
00:34:14
Nacc
At tight end 19, that's your second one, right?
00:34:17
Fab
Well, that's it, right?
00:34:17
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:34:18
TalkinFFB
Yeah. Why not? I mean,
00:34:18
Nacc
that Realistically, that's your second tight end on your team.
00:34:22
Nacc
For sure, I'll take a shot at second tight end on my team. Am I putting him in week one as the starter? No. um you know Fool me once, that old saying, but but tight end 19, I'll eat that.
00:34:33
Fab
Yeah, in this case it's fool me four times, but yeah.
00:34:38
Fab
i mean...
00:34:40
Nacc
I'll take that every day.
00:34:43
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I mean, I don't see any harm in taking him at tight end 19. If he was going, you know, kind of where he would had been going last few years, you know, inside the top 10 of tight ends, I'd be saying no. But at tight end 19, you know, you already solidified your tight end one.
00:35:00
TalkinFFB
Why not take a chance on him, stash him on your bench? You know, if he doesn't pan out, he ends up like some of the other guys that you draft at the later end of your round or your draft um and then just ends up on the waiver wire.
00:35:11
TalkinFFB
So I don't have a problem with taking a a shot on him.
00:35:15
Fab
yeah
00:35:15
Nacc
I can't wait for Raj. He's been making faces.
00:35:17
Roger Emeka
I didn't prepare anything about Kyle Pitts, honestly.
00:35:18
Nacc
thing Oh,
00:35:19
Roger Emeka
like I actually agree with you guys. You know the biggest reason what you know why but the biggest reason why I like him this year? He became Kyle Pitts Sr. He added a senior to his last name.
00:35:28
Fab
oh my god so what you he's matured is what you're saying for working in the nfl yeah what he stopped uh he became an uh that's
00:35:29
Nacc
oh wow.
00:35:31
Roger Emeka
He's matured, exactly. Remember when Steve Smith became Steve Smith Sr.?
00:35:35
Nacc
Yep.
00:35:37
Roger Emeka
He became an unk.
00:35:40
Nacc
So Raj is, that's Raj's tight end one this year. Book it, everybody.
00:35:43
TalkinFFB
Hmm.
00:35:44
Roger Emeka
I had Kyle Pitts, I think, like two, three straight years.
00:35:48
Fab
You did.
00:35:50
Roger Emeka
18, 19, it's not a bad idea. That's all say. I have nothing else to say about Kyle Pitts.
00:35:56
Fab
You know, he's going into his fourth year, right, in the NFL? This is his year number four?
00:36:01
Nacc
So are you supposed score eight touchdowns this year?
00:36:03
Fab
No, that's not where I was going, but thank you. you Thank you for pointing that on the universe. I'm just saying, the guy's 24 years old, and he's going into his fourth year. He's young. And there's a, he's already done. He's already had a lot of football put into him.
00:36:14
Fab
You know what i mean? So I think this is a pause. I think this is like a very interesting year for Kyle Pitts. i don't know I just like the fact that like you, you talk about new quarterbacks coming in and you know, the, the, the feeling around camp is that they want to get a more involved. So we'll see, I suppose. We'll see.
00:36:34
Roger Emeka
That's every year. Rerun.
00:36:35
Fab
Yeah, pretty much. i feel like I'm just, it's it's like i'm hitting repeats here.
00:36:38
Roger Emeka
reru
00:36:38
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:36:38
Fab
ah if you If you take the episode last year where we kept the Atlanta Falcons, I think I was high on Calpits then too because of Kirk Cousins. And look how fantastic that turned out for everybody. um
00:36:47
Nacc
ah He doubled his touchdown input.
00:36:50
Fab
Thank you. Thank you. Next, say it louder for the people in the back. um
00:36:56
Fab
so that So those are your Atlanta Falcons. ah We're going to keep this train rolling right now with the Carolina Panthers. Now, the Carolina Panthers are a very, very, very interesting team. 2024 recap. So they finished 5-12.
00:37:12
Fab
ah Bryce Young flashed down the stretch. He was QB 6 from weeks 12 to 18. So him being benched was actually a great move by Canales. So clearly he knows what he's doing. That's why he is the head coach.
00:37:27
Fab
You have the emergence of our Canadian boy Chubba Hubbard as a borderline high-end RB2. Adam Thielen is still
Carolina Panthers' Season Review and Player Analysis
00:37:35
Fab
still awesome, you know but he's ah he's showing a little bit more of for his age as well.
00:37:39
Fab
But they drafted standout wide receiver Tetraia McMillan, drafted as wide receiver one, eighth overall in the 2025 NFL draft.
00:37:52
Fab
They sound signed Rico Daudo for running back depth. And obviously they extend the Chamba Herbert as well. So I think it's it's important to note that Bryce Young looked like a completely transformed quarterback towards the end of the season, where from those weeks 12 to 18, he won 11 touchdowns, three INTs.
00:38:10
Fab
He was putting up pretty decent rushing numbers too, and also able to put together five rushing touchdowns as well. So we're we're we might not be looking at the same Bryce Young this year that started last year.
00:38:22
Fab
And right now he's going at quarterback 23. He has a new shiny weapon into Troy McMillan. And we already saw what type of connection they have. And I'm just, it was a back shoulder throw that happened in the preseason game.
00:38:34
Roger Emeka
Mm-hmm.
00:38:34
Fab
That was just, it was, it was beautiful to watch. And you tell yourself, like, I didn't know Bryce Young was capable of those throws. And I guess now the fact that he has a big body wide receiver one, like that X, that your typical XY receiver, like McMillan, maybe this is all that he was missing.
00:38:49
Fab
So is Bryce Young going to break out? Is he going to finish as a top 15 quarterback? Right now going as quarterback 23. Eli? it.
00:38:58
TalkinFFB
i think I think so. um I really like Bryce Young this year. um I mean, like we talked about with Michael Pinnix, are you comfortable with him as your starting quarterback going into the season?
00:39:05
Fab
like
00:39:10
TalkinFFB
Probably not. um But definitely somebody to take a flyer on. ah You mentioned after... um the bye week from week 12 to 18. He was QB six.
00:39:22
TalkinFFB
um And then that has just translated over into the preseason with week one looking very in control, poison the pocket, ah made some nice throws. So I'm really excited to see what Bryce Young can do.
00:39:37
Nacc
Yeah, look, I think i think you said are right. yeah As your QB1, not comfortable to say that he's going to be your QB1 for the season. But in a two-quarterback league, I think I'm very comfortable slotting Bryce Young in there as of week one to be your QB2 in Superflex leagues.
00:39:58
Nacc
I think the emerg they the the emergent of of Xavier Leggett, who we'll talk about later, and you know we said that they they drafted McMillan. McMillan's looked really, really good in camp. Looks like a solid wide receiver one.
00:40:11
Nacc
So I think that's just going to continue to help him grow as ah as a player. And um I think we're looking looking at a a solid season incoming for Bryce Young.
00:40:26
Roger Emeka
I think what gives me optimism is how we play it against KC. and They almost won that game.
00:40:31
Fab
Yep.
00:40:32
Roger Emeka
ah They lost by three points and he played really well or or pretty decently well against Philadelphia. That game they lost just by a touchdown. weren't they They didn't blow out the... like They weren't crazy-looking stats, but he kept the team in it, and he almost won the game at the end.
00:40:48
Roger Emeka
And I think for him, the key has always been playing with confidence, playing like how he played at Alabama, not just staying in the middle of the pot. Because he's a shorter QB, so he he has to keep playing on the outside, and I think that will benefit how him and Ted Royall McMillan play.
00:41:06
Roger Emeka
Whereas if he just stays in the middle of the field with his height, he's not going to see... ah that well. He's going to get into s sacks. I think if he keeps playing with confidence and keeps going out of the pocket and out of structure like he did at Bama, to me, the upside is QB2.
00:41:22
Roger Emeka
I see him as a QB3 now, but he has i think he has more upside as a QB2 than Michael Penix Jr.
00:41:30
Nacc
I agree with that.
00:41:32
Fab
it's hard not It's hard to disagree. um I like Bryson a lot. I agree with everybody on on on the little panel over here. I think QB23 right now is probably an accurate ADP for him, but He could finish in the top 20, but when I say top 20, we're talking like 18 or 19 or 20, right?
00:41:48
Fab
Like that's where that would make more sense for me just because the guys that are in front of him, I have more hope for, but yeah.
00:41:56
Roger Emeka
Even Tua?
00:41:59
Fab
didn't say all the guys. I said some of the guys.
00:42:01
Roger Emeka
Hmm. he said the guys.
00:42:02
Fab
Tua is the, I think only the exception because I do have higher hopes with JJ McCarthy, CJ Stroud, Trevor Lawrence-ish.
00:42:13
Fab
Jordan Love.
00:42:13
Nacc
I don't know why J.J.
00:42:14
Nacc
McCarthy is going so high.
00:42:16
Fab
Yeah, McCarthy. Like, see, the fact that McCarthy is going higher than Bryce Young and Michael Penix Jr. bothers me.
00:42:22
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:42:22
Fab
Like, I take offense to that.
00:42:24
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:42:25
Fab
Like, I'm offended for Michael Penix Jr. and Bryce Young.
00:42:28
Nacc
It's like Anthony Richardson going fifth last year.
00:42:34
Fab
Off two and a half games of of a body of work.
00:42:35
Roger Emeka
beat.
00:42:38
Fab
And we all made that mistake. My God, did we all make that mistake.
00:42:40
Nacc
Took the bait.
00:42:42
Fab
Ugh. Anthony Richardson, when will you learn how to throw a football? We're going to move on to the running backs right now. So, ah so I was a little bit higher on Chubba Hubbard after he signed that contract.
00:42:55
Fab
And then I'm a little bit less high on him because the Carolina Panthers signed Rico Dallow, who by all accounts played very well for the Dallas Cowboys last year and Dallas Cowboys doing what Dallas Cowboys do.
00:43:10
Fab
They did not resign him and instead decided to resign insert recycled running back here name. So like now Rico Dow is playing for the Panthers. And you know what? I think this is more of a RB1A, RB1B type scenario.
00:43:27
Fab
Right now Chubba is going as RB17. That seems right to me, even a little bit too high. I have a little bit more trepidations than I did yesterday. Put it that way. and tre huard And a lot of us do the fact that even though they paid him and you kind of want to follow the money when it comes to running backs, like James Cook today, got his bag good for him.
00:43:45
Fab
But I don't know. I feel like now that running back room got a little bit more crowded and you kind of wonder that it's going be more of a committee and much more of a split backfield than it was before. um Eli, I want to get your idea, your take on the potential usage that we might see from this running back room right now.
00:44:03
TalkinFFB
Yeah, ah i'm not I don't view Rico Dado as a 1B type of guy. I think he's more of just a handcuff. I just don't see how the Panthers can take Chuba Hubbard off the field with how effective he was last year.
00:44:15
Fab
I read.
00:44:18
TalkinFFB
um He was near the top of the league and yards after contact per attempt, missed tackles forced per attempt, and explosive run percentage.
00:44:20
Fab
agree
00:44:27
TalkinFFB
Yeah. And then on top of that, he was also their goal lineback seeing 80% of the carries from inside the five-yard line. So he has that touchdown upside as their goal lineback.
00:44:38
TalkinFFB
um I actually think RB17 is a little low for him. I'm actually higher on him. um I would even take him over the recently re-signed James Cook.
00:44:50
TalkinFFB
um And then I also have questions about Brees Hall in New York and his usage.
00:44:50
Fab
Wow.
00:44:55
TalkinFFB
So I would take him over Brees Hall as well.
00:44:58
Fab
Braylon Allen scares me. If I if if i already drafted and Brees Hall was on my team and I see what Braylon Allen's doing in camp right now and even the preseason games, like I am very concerned if I'm a Brees Hall owner.
00:45:10
Fab
Yes, I agree.
00:45:10
Nacc
I want to give the exact same answer as Eli. So I'll let you go next, Raj. Whatever he just said is exactly my thoughts on Chuba Hubbard.
00:45:21
Fab
So hold on a second, Nike.
00:45:21
Nacc
So I have nothing to add.
00:45:22
Fab
You're not going to get off the hook then. So Chuba right now, so you would would you take him over James Cook?
00:45:28
Nacc
Yeah.
00:45:28
Fab
Okay. O'Marion Hampton?
00:45:30
Nacc
Yeah.
00:45:32
Fab
Fair. Kenneth Walker? they said Yeah, that's fair. I would do that the same thing.
00:45:34
Nacc
Yeah.
00:45:35
Fab
Brees Hall? Yeah. So where would it stop for you?
00:45:36
Nacc
yeah
00:45:36
Fab
Like Alvin Kamara?
00:45:37
Nacc
Like, Kamara would be borderline because him too, like, he's got a lot of miles on those on those threads, man.
00:45:38
Fab
Kyron Williams?
00:45:40
Fab
Yeah.
00:45:42
Nacc
Like, and that team's going to be very, very awful.
00:45:42
Fab
Yeah.
00:45:46
Nacc
Like, give me Chuba Hubbard, man. I'm really high on on the Chuba Hubbard stocks this year, 100%.
00:45:51
Fab
yeah
00:45:55
Nacc
i Like I said, I don't even have anything to add because you really deep dove on that, and that was perfectly said. I'm high on Hubbard for sure.
00:46:05
Fab
Roger, are you equally as high?
00:46:08
Roger Emeka
I am now. I agree with Nack on Eli's assessment of Hubbard.
00:46:12
Fab
Yeah, agree with Eli. Don't agree Nack. Nack didn't say anything.
00:46:16
Roger Emeka
Yeah. um There's proof of concept of this happening before, too, where... Remember, they they brought in Miles Sanders few years ago when Hubbard was there.
00:46:26
Fab
true yeah you're right but poor guy man yes
00:46:26
Roger Emeka
They drafted Jonathan Brooks. And Jonathan Brooks, unfortunately, tore his ACL. He came in with a torn ACL. He left with a torn ACL. And now Rico Dadle... Rico Dalla, very similar profile to Miles Sanders, not necessarily terms of how they played, but they also came from a 1,000-yard situation, if I'm not mistaken.
00:46:45
Fab
very true
00:46:45
Roger Emeka
so i think he could do it again because he's a very good player. Finished RB13 last year, super tough, very productive. So I actually got convinced that you know in that mid-season,
00:46:59
Roger Emeka
low kind of end RB2 range that that that makes a lot of sense. and And I do like him over some of the aforementioned guys that we we just mentioned. Like I'm i'm actually very concerned about james James Cook as someone who benefited from him last year.
00:47:12
Roger Emeka
the the touchdown, I think there's a huge touchdown regression coming with him.
00:47:17
Fab
Yeah.
00:47:17
Nacc
Big time.
00:47:18
Fab
Yeah. That's like the worst best kept secret, right? I mean, you can definitely assume it's going touched on regression.
00:47:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:47:22
Nacc
But anyone who has 18 TDs, I said anyone who has 18 TDs the previous year is you're going to have a regression on TDs the the following season.
00:47:24
Fab
Sorry. What was that neck?
00:47:33
Fab
But just the sidebar, James Cook right now is going as wire as running back 17. I think that's fairly priced, maybe a little bit too much, but not by a lot. But anyways, yeah, I don't disagree with you guys. i'm not gonna I'm not going to bang the drum over here and say that RB17 is too low or too high or whatever the case may be. like ah we're We're all pretty much on the same page, and and all the guys that I mentioned before, I would definitely take Hubbard before the likes of Hampton, Kenneth Walker, the third, unfortunately, Brees Hall as well.
00:48:02
Fab
I was really hoping that he would break out at some point, but I guess we're going to have to wait at least one more year. ah The wide receiver room, though, that we're going to move into right now, um a little bit more interesting, I find.
00:48:13
Fab
So obviously McMillan, we spoke about him before. he He, in my opinion, is going to be the alpha in that room. You're going to like, and we saw last year, a lot of rookie wide receivers really blew up. Obviously, Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik neighbors and a bunch of other guys too.
00:48:30
Fab
And so are we expecting McMillan to follow within suits like that? Are we expecting him right now? He's going as a wide receiver 27. That's like low end. i was going to say mid tier wide receiver three about like, are we comfortable putting him in as an every week starter already? Yeah.
00:48:51
TalkinFFB
in In three wide receiver leagues, yes, I think so. If you're more in a two wide receiver league, one flex spot, a little hesitant from the from the jump.
00:48:58
Fab
Yeah.
00:49:02
TalkinFFB
I think he does adapt to the NFL, though, and eventually does become a a pretty good starter for your team. um Being Bryce Young's wide receiver one there, think Big guy, can go up and get the ball, going to be a red zone threat.
00:49:17
TalkinFFB
um
00:49:17
Fab
yeah
00:49:18
TalkinFFB
I think he's you know a great pick there at wide receiver 27-28.
00:49:24
Nacc
Yeah, i agree. i'm i'm ah i I wouldn't have him classified as my wide receiver two, but I'd be comfortable even starting the season, week one. We do play three wide receiver starts, so um I'd be more than happy to have him as my wide receiver three to start the year. i don't know. I feel like there's a there' a shift in culture in in Carolina. I think they've got some right pieces and in in place, and I think that was a great pick, and I think it suits the the offense perfectly.
00:49:54
Roger Emeka
Wide receiver 20s is better than what people had Marvin Harrison Jr. last year, which was at like what wide receiver 5, 6, or 7. So i think I think it's been...
00:50:01
Fab
Yeah, dude, who's going top 10, Marvin Harrison Jr.? Yes.
00:50:04
Roger Emeka
the the expectations have been tempered, and I think this this makes a lot more sense.
00:50:04
TalkinFFB
Mm-hmm.
00:50:09
Roger Emeka
And i feel like McMillan's... The vibe around him has improved. The the draft buzz wasn't great. There was... The, you know, I don't watch film stuff. There was some worry about his heart at ah Arizona, the way he played.
00:50:18
Fab
Yes.
00:50:23
Roger Emeka
So I feel he's rebiliated rehabilitated himself well, whether it's in interviews or at camp. So i'm i'm I'm actually, I'd be quite comfortable as well where he he's at.
00:50:32
Fab
Yeah, and you look at the other guys that are going around that spot. So he actually, some fantasy pros ADP, PPR, he's actually been jumped up from wide receiver 27 to 24.
00:50:41
Roger Emeka
Hmm.
00:50:42
Fab
So he's like slotted right behind Devontae Smith, which I actually would take McMillan over Devontae Smith just for sake of the offense and the attention he's going to get.
00:50:47
Roger Emeka
Oh,
00:50:47
TalkinFFB
agree.
00:50:50
Fab
McMillan I'm referring to. Um, and also he's going two spots behind Cortland Sutton, which again, you can, you can have an argument that McMillan is going to have a better fantasy season.
00:50:52
TalkinFFB
i agree
00:51:00
Fab
Like, and I like Cortland Sutton a lot, you know, but same argument applies.
00:51:01
Nacc
Thank you.
00:51:04
Fab
The only guy in that spot right now, there's also Zay Flowers and Rasheed Rice that I would consider taking over McMillan is Rasheed Rice.
00:51:11
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:51:12
Fab
And because he's been looking fantastic in camp so far and you have Patrick Mahomes throwing the ball. So, Um, yeah, so I'm, I'm on board. I actually thought at one point wide receiver 27 was a little bit too rich, but you know what? I don't think it's rich enough. I think, uh, I think there is a lot of fire to this, to the, to the smoke over here when it comes to the Troy McMillan. I know knack you want him on your team for obvious reasons. Uh, but, uh, some other wide receivers that we do have to touch on real quick, like Jalen Coker,
00:51:43
Fab
You know, he was interesting last year. i think he could be a nice late round flyer. We got the the route to running God that is Hunter Renfro seemingly out of retirement or Uber car whatever he was doing before. Now he's back.
00:51:57
Fab
Got to give him props. Adam Thielen for that as a steady veteran in that locker room. I think been very helpful. And then we got you guys who is able to get.
00:52:07
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:52:10
Fab
What's going on? was able to get married to go out with why we see a four or five, six. He's like going to be a bit of an afterthought. I feel right now. Like he, I think he was drafted to be what Ted, to throw McMillan is. So it's going to be an interesting camp to look for. But right now I feel like the only probable draftable wide receiver on this team is McMillan.
00:52:31
Fab
I know Adam Steelein, I think it was not last year, the year before, he started off the season super hot in Bryce Young's rookie season, where he was like wide receiver 10 to start the year.
00:52:33
Nacc
If that.
00:52:42
Roger Emeka
Yeah, was fantastic.
00:52:43
Fab
Yeah, so something to keep an eye on, but definitely McMillan is the guy you want to have. And then we're going to jump into the tight ends just to say the tight end's name, Hayden Hurst, who, again, streamer, right?
00:52:56
Fab
If that
00:52:58
Nacc
if that
00:52:58
TalkinFFB
Um, I actually think to Tavion Sanders is going to be the the starting tight end there.
00:53:02
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:53:03
TalkinFFB
It's Tavion Sanders.
00:53:05
Fab
Eli for the win.
00:53:05
TalkinFFB
He's, he's, uh, yeah, he's been impressing during camp.
00:53:05
Fab
My man.
00:53:06
Nacc
He looked good.
00:53:07
Fab
Take it away.
00:53:11
TalkinFFB
Um, and ah Tommy Tremble got injured at the start of camp, which opened the door for him. Uh, I think he's going to be a sleeper tight end.
00:53:16
Fab
Yes. Yes.
00:53:20
Roger Emeka
I just want to say just just don't sleep on Thielen.
00:53:22
Fab
The Taven's not there.
00:53:23
Roger Emeka
ah If you look at his game log, even after like the injury, he had an 8 for 99 game, a 9 for 102 game, a 5 for 110 game. like The guy's just a certified pro. like He gets open like there's nothing. and I think he's he's always going to be drafted. and I think he's always a a good candidate to have ah ah quite a few decent games.
00:53:44
Fab
that That's a good call.
00:53:44
Nacc
Yeah, final two rounds, someone will grab him.
00:53:45
Fab
I think...
00:53:47
Nacc
you know someone will grab them
00:53:48
Fab
Yeah.
00:53:49
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:53:50
Fab
Especially in PPR. I think that's a good call, Roger. I think we we we got to put more respect on Adam Thielen's name. I know Nick is probably listening to this podcast right now, banging his desk, getting upset about it. But yeah, I agree 100%. And...
00:54:02
Fab
And Eli Jatavian Sanders, great, great call out right now. Definitely going way, way beyond any point in the draft that anyone's thinking about. But it could be another name to watch too as camp continues to roll along and preseason is getting a little bit older.
00:54:18
Fab
ah We might see him more in the mix, a little bit more. So those are the Carolina Panthers. and Now we're going to move into the last team. So we saved the the least for last, I
New Orleans Saints' Challenges and Opportunities
00:54:27
Fab
think, here. um with the New Orleans Saints.
00:54:30
Fab
and this is This is a fantasy wasteland. Anyways, we're going to jump into it anyways because we have an obligation to our fans that we speak about all things fantasy football related.
00:54:42
Fab
And New Orleans Saints are a football team that finished 5-12 last year. So Derek Carr has retired. Chris Olave and Rashid Shahid has...
00:54:49
Roger Emeka
Thank God.
00:54:51
Fab
What was that, Roger?
00:54:53
Roger Emeka
just said thank God.
00:54:54
Fab
Yeah, I mean...
00:54:55
Nacc
ah For fantasy purposes, thank God.
00:54:57
Roger Emeka
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:57
Fab
Classy purposes, thank God, yeah.
00:54:58
TalkinFFB
yeah
00:54:59
Fab
He was Mr. Two-passing touchdown every single game. And then the games that I play against him, he throws like three or four touchdowns. And it's like, well, when you're on my team and I'm starting you, you can't throw more than two.
00:55:12
Fab
And it's just one of those things that – and if you look at his stat log, and I'm ranting here and I apologize, like there was like – I think it was 24 games straight where it just like one touchdown, two touchdowns, passes, and then it's just –
00:55:16
TalkinFFB
yeah
00:55:23
Roger Emeka
Just the the worst QB against the Blitz ever. Like I just, I pour one out for Derek Carr.
00:55:29
Nacc
Very indecisive quarterback.
00:55:30
Fab
Pour one out for Derek Carr. He was an NFL quarterback and played well for a period of time. and And he was part of a conversation that evolved him being the MVP, which I'll never understand why, but he did it.
00:55:40
Fab
And he could talk about and I can't. So Derek Carr has retired. Happy trails, Derek Carr.
00:55:45
Roger Emeka
Actually Eli's related to Derek Carr.
00:55:47
Fab
Actually.
00:55:49
TalkinFFB
No, absolutely not.
00:55:52
Fab
got scared for a second. I apologize. We love Derek Carr.
00:55:53
TalkinFFB
No, no, no.
00:55:55
Fab
but together I'll go pull out his jersey. um Happy trails, Derek Carr. Wish you the best. Chris Olave, Rashid Shahid. I mean, they're dealing with their own injuries. Like we saw Olave get concussed like every other game last year, and I hate to even think about it.
00:56:10
Fab
I'm a Camara is still having Camara, you know, but this is an old team turning into a new page and who is going to be written that book. We got Kellen Moore, who's been named the head coach who I feel like he's, he's like the village bicycle. He's been passed around at every single NFL team so far.
00:56:24
Fab
ah He's either been the ah offensive coordinator or passing game coordinator from like some pretty noteworthy teams. they had The Eagles, the Cowboys, I think even the Rams, right?
00:56:33
Roger Emeka
Chargers.
00:56:34
Fab
Chargers, thank you.
00:56:34
TalkinFFB
Chargers. Yeah.
00:56:35
Fab
Yeah, so, I mean, he's he's accumulated. I said that as a joke, right? I think he's going to be a very good head coach for for the Saints and should help the young quarterbacks get into the the NFL rhythm.
00:56:47
Fab
um They also added rookie running back Devin Neal, and Brandon Cooks joins this wide receiver group. So another journeyman wide receiver that's been switching teams and going back to his old stomping grounds.
00:56:58
Nacc
comes home. um so
00:57:01
Fab
So, I mean, Kellen Moore offensive, I finished as top 10 in scoring in four of the last six seasons. i I think it's going to be four of the last seven seasons when this season is over, quite frankly. And it's nothing against Kellen Moore, but more because of the offense that he's have to work with.
00:57:17
Fab
So they drafted Tyler Shuck, which I still don't understand how that's how pronounce his name when it's written that way. So Tyler Shuck as a fourth round quarterback, I want to say, or in a third round.
00:57:27
Roger Emeka
Second is a 40th pick.
00:57:28
Nacc
Second round.
00:57:28
Fab
Second round, excuse me.
00:57:28
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, was a pretty high pick.
00:57:31
Fab
Second round quarterback. um Right now going as QB 32, but there still seems to be a bit of a quarterback battle with Spencer Rattler, who was drafted and the previous year.
00:57:42
Fab
Apparently Spencer Rattler has looked better in camp. um So, I mean, listen, both these guys, one of them is going as quarterback 32 and ADP. One's going as quarterback 37. I don't think we have to spend too much time on this. I mean, they're they're really only going to have a little bit of QB 2 super flex upside in scenarios where You know, matchup is right.
00:58:01
Fab
Streaming options are right. You need to start a warm body.
00:58:03
Nacc
and
00:58:04
Fab
um I mean, I kind of like Tyler Shuck a little bit more than Rattler, but apparently Rattler been looking a lot better in camp. So i guess it remains to be seen. Roger, I know you want to jump in on this, I know you do have a soft spot for the New Orleans Saints quarterbacks.
00:58:21
Roger Emeka
I don't, but ah Shuck had a 54-yard touchdown and looked really good against the Chargers.
00:58:23
Fab
No, I'm not sure.
00:58:26
Roger Emeka
He was 15 of 22 for 165 yards in the preseason game this past weekend. So like him and him and Rattler both have big arms.
00:58:32
Nacc
He did throw a pick six before.
00:58:34
Roger Emeka
So I think what I like about Kellen Moore that he doesn't have an ah a specific offensive style. He's adapted every single offense that he's been in, whether it's with Herbert, whether it was Dak Prescott.
00:58:47
Roger Emeka
whether we just saw it with Jalen Hurts. He is not the type that says this is my way or the highway. So I could see this being like a big shot offense with Shahid, who's blazing fast, Olave, who's blazing fast, Cooks, who used to be blazing fast, but probably still have some speed yeah speed speed left.
00:58:58
Fab
Yeah. I it's, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:59:04
Roger Emeka
ah So it'll be interesting to see.
00:59:08
Nacc
I want nothing to do with this QB room at all.
00:59:10
Fab
yeah i mean
00:59:11
Roger Emeka
Yeah, for sure. Of course.
00:59:13
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
00:59:13
Nacc
There's zero upside for me. QB fours across the board here. this is these are guys that you pick up if the the the quarterback market in two QB leagues really dries out, but there's really nothing to be overly optimistic with in in this with this group.
00:59:30
Roger Emeka
the The only thing is just, like, I agree with you, Nak.
00:59:32
Fab
True. Well...
00:59:34
Roger Emeka
just ah there is a good There's a decent amount of talent on like across the roster. that's That's the only like saving grace for one of these two.
00:59:40
Fab
true
00:59:44
Roger Emeka
like You have to hope that that Shuck wins it because Rattler didn't look good at all in his time.
00:59:52
Nacc
I mean, even even if Shuck wins it, he'll have more interceptions than touchdowns.
00:59:52
Roger Emeka
But yeah, like I agree with you. It's it's hard to trust.
00:59:59
Fab
Probably. um I agree with Roger in the sense that you like they drafted Shuck with Rattler on on the roster. That tells you everything you need to know. like At some point in the future, Shuck is going to be the starting quarterback.
01:00:10
Fab
Maybe your Rattler starts off just because he knows the ah offense. I think there could be some very low-end QB2 upside here, but we're talking very low-end.
01:00:20
Nacc
Yuck.
01:00:21
Fab
But it's still something to monitor because, listen, we we can't tell the future. Maybe Shuck is the next Patrick Mahomes. We don't know.
01:00:28
Nacc
you
01:00:29
Fab
Probably not. um we're ah Eli, you have anything to add or want to move on to running backs?
01:00:34
TalkinFFB
No, we can move on. I don't think you're you're touching either one of those guys.
01:00:38
Roger Emeka
Yep.
01:00:39
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
01:00:40
Fab
But we are going to be most likely touching Alvin Kamara, who seems like every single year gets counted out. Every single year is going as ADP double double digits for running backs. He's always going as running back 12, 13, 14, and then he ends the season as a top five guy.
01:00:56
Fab
So right now, Alvin Kamara, again, going as RB14. Is this the year he falls off and stays around that that that ADP, or are we going to start reaching for him little bit higher?
01:01:10
Fab
i mean, we already had a conversation a little bit about running backs, where a lot of guys are going.
01:01:16
Fab
How are we feeling about ari Alvin Kamara again?
01:01:20
Nacc
It's more the offense as a whole that kind of scares me, right? Like, yeah are they going to be on the field enough? Are they going to be, is he's going to have enough playing time? a You know, are they going to come at a point in the season where there's other guys that are going to need to prove themselves because they're out of, of, of any type of contention? Like, you know what happens when teams start to tank and, and all that. So,
01:01:46
Nacc
but this one's This one's a really tough one because when you're going to get to that point and Alvin Kamara is that first guy there, you're going to see some guys underneath and you're going to probably going to take him, but I don't know.
01:01:56
Fab
Mm-hmm.
01:01:57
Nacc
And I have ah i definitely have a sweet spot for for Alvin Kamara. He's won me a couple of of championships. so um me Look, he's nestled in the top 20, RB 14, 15, 16. I'm comfortable there,
01:02:10
Nacc
you know i'm i'm comfortable there but I'm not as high as i was in previous years.
01:02:19
TalkinFFB
Yeah, I think you hit on it, like how effective is this offense going to be? um But at the same time, wasn't very effective last year and he still produced.
01:02:27
Fab
Thank you.
01:02:28
TalkinFFB
So I think I think you're fine taking him where he's going.
01:02:29
Fab
the
01:02:33
TalkinFFB
um You know, he is getting older, so you do have to worry about injury concern. um Finished the 2024 season injured. So um that's that's really the only concern that I have with him is that age. But he he's proven to produce for for your fantasy teams.
01:02:54
Fab
just ah just to make things more difficult when Alvin Kamara shows up in your draft board, you're not sure if you should draft him or not. Last year, he missed three games, still finishes RB9, and only had one game under 10 fantasy points in PPR.
01:03:09
Fab
And that was still 8.4 points.
01:03:14
Fab
He missed three games and he finishes RB9 in a bad offense.
01:03:17
Nacc
ah It was the year before he had an off year.
01:03:20
Fab
Because he was a little bit more injured, I believe. I think he was dealing with stuff even throughout the season.
01:03:22
Nacc
And that's when everyone kind of, yeah, yeah.
01:03:25
Fab
But it's just, okay, fine. It might be a little bit inflated because he had that 44-point game in Week 2.
01:03:29
Roger Emeka
yeah Exactly. Yeah.
01:03:31
Fab
But I mean...
01:03:31
TalkinFFB
Yeah, don't remind me of that one.
01:03:33
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
01:03:36
Fab
So I specifically remember a game where he had, I think it was against, think it was against the Matt. I forgot who was against. don't know. But he had like 14 receptions for like, for like 60 yards or some ridiculous stupidity.
01:03:49
Roger Emeka
oh yeah
01:03:50
Fab
And, and, and I lost, yeah, like 20 points and for for getting 60 total yards out. Now he wasn't, there weren't rushing the ball, but they were just dump offs to him getting one yard, one yard.
01:03:59
TalkinFFB
yeah
01:04:00
Fab
and Like it's it's death by a thousand cuts, but you know what? It's effective. I won't, I don't know if I'm going to be as turned off as maybe some you guys are with Alvin Kamara. I'm out reaching for him. Obviously RB 14 is where I'm very safe to get him, but,
01:04:17
Fab
there There are guys that I would look at. there there are I would look at him over a lot of other guys around that spot, to be honest with you, though. I don't know, man. like um' like yeah You can never count him on every single year. And right now he's going as RB13, and I think that's not even that's still not high enough.
01:04:36
Fab
Wouldn't be surprised finished us top 10 this year. Wouldn't be surprised, but remains to be seen. Roger, how are you feeling on this?
01:04:42
Roger Emeka
Love the guy too. He's getting close to 2000 career touches. It's, uh, it's the wear and tear is starting to, I think it's starting to add up. hasn't played 16 or I guess games,
01:04:56
Roger Emeka
ah
01:05:00
Roger Emeka
Ever. ah Sorry, since 2017. he's He's missing a game every single year. To me, just knowing that is, like, I can't stand when running back. Like, you're starting running back the guy who, you know, you need as, like, an RB1, borderline RB2.
01:05:14
Roger Emeka
Has to miss games. He played 14 last year, 13 the year before, 15 the year before, 13 in 2021. That's, I love the guy, but I might be out on that.
01:05:28
Fab
Yeah, I get that. I get that. And if you're out on him, you got to be at least looking at Devin Neal, right? The potential rookie stash, deep deeper, deeper stash within this draft as who could you know spell and and obviously provide that upside while Alvin Kamara is injured too.
01:05:44
Fab
If he gets injured, obviously. ah The wide receiver is a little more interesting though. I mean, Chris Olave, my God, we have high hopes on him last year. And those those hospital balls that were being thrown by Derek Carr just...
01:05:58
Fab
didn't die. It gets me angry. Like right now he's going as wide receiver 28 and this guy was looking like everything you expect a wide receiver one to be. And right now he's also dealing with an ankle injury coming out of camp right now. So there's a lot of question marks with him.
01:06:14
Fab
Rashid Shahid as well. Obviously, Rod, you mentioned before he is that speedster, but still a bit of a boomer buzz speedster. Where? Right now going as wide receiver 54. Then there's Brandon Cooks on there too.
01:06:26
Fab
I mean, are we like, Later on the draft, like you're looking at maybe Crystal Lovie as your wide receiver three spot, but are you really going to be looking at him?
01:06:30
Nacc
Thank you.
01:06:34
Fab
Like, is this someone that you're going to be comfortable having on your team at the end of the draft?
01:06:41
TalkinFFB
umm I'm not. um That QB situation there, I don't like it.
01:06:44
Fab
Oh.
01:06:48
TalkinFFB
The whole offense in general. um There's other guys going around him that are in better situations that I would rather have. So if Alave comes up or if I'm on the pit on the clock and Alave's sitting there, I'm just passing over him.
01:07:03
Nacc
Yeah, this is, I think he's he's top five on my on my do not draft board this upcoming season.
01:07:04
Fab
Oh, Oh,
01:07:13
Nacc
i think they're naming a hospital wing after him as well this season in the offseason.
01:07:16
TalkinFFB
I'm sorry.
01:07:16
Fab
um um a man
01:07:18
Nacc
So ah way too many missed games. Poor guy, you know, you never want to you never want to see it. But ah he's an injury away from never playing again in the NFL. So it's not the type of risk I'm looking for for my fantasy team.
01:07:33
Nacc
I definitely agree with you, Fab. We had high hopes on him last year. he looked really, really good in 2023. And and it's just it just may not be for him, and he may have to hang it up sooner rather than later.
01:07:47
Nacc
And i think what Eli alluded to as well, the QB situation, i don't like it.
01:07:47
Fab
Yeah, good call.
01:07:52
Nacc
So I'm not laughing him.
01:07:56
Roger Emeka
Do you guys know who his QB was in 2022 when he had 72 catches and a thousand yards?
01:08:01
Fab
Was there a car, no?
01:08:04
Roger Emeka
Andy Dalton.
01:08:06
Fab
I totally forgot to even play for the Saints.
01:08:07
Nacc
yeah Andy Dalton's better than the two QBs that they have on this roster.
01:08:09
TalkinFFB
I wish he was his quarterback this year.
01:08:10
Nacc
Come on. Yeah, exactly. like i'll take Give me Andy Dalton now, two years later, and I'll still take him over these two guys.
01:08:14
TalkinFFB
Yes.
01:08:20
Roger Emeka
You're not wrong. 35 year old Andy Dalton.
01:08:21
Fab
No.
01:08:22
Roger Emeka
You're not wrong.
01:08:24
TalkinFFB
I mean, when they benched when they benched Bryce Young last year, mean, people were excited.
01:08:24
Fab
The Red Rocket.
01:08:27
Fab
Yeah, he went off.
01:08:28
Roger Emeka
It's true.
01:08:29
TalkinFFB
People were excited that Andy Dalton was was the quarterback there in Carolina.
01:08:29
Roger Emeka
Yeah, it's true.
01:08:29
Fab
Yeah.
01:08:33
Fab
Yeah, and he went off for those, think it the first two games.
01:08:34
TalkinFFB
Mm-hmm.
01:08:36
Roger Emeka
Two or three games, yeah.
01:08:36
Fab
Like, he really went off, and then obviously he came back to being what he is.
01:08:38
Nacc
Give me Andy Dalton in this offense any day.
01:08:41
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
01:08:41
Fab
Yeah.
01:08:42
Roger Emeka
Yeah, you're right.
01:08:45
Fab
Yeah, I think it's safe to say I'm not really targeting any of the wide receivers. and I don't think anyone's going to disagree with me on that. I mean, this is just an offense to avoid apart from Alvin Kamara. Except maybe
01:08:54
Nacc
This is a fantasy
Tight End Strategy in Fantasy Football
01:08:55
Nacc
wasteland.
01:08:57
Fab
Juwan Johnson, your boy right now.
01:08:58
Roger Emeka
My boy.
01:08:59
Nacc
Out.
01:09:00
Fab
This is really your boy.
01:09:00
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
01:09:01
Fab
Like we we joke about Kyle Pitts being your boy, but like Roger has a poster of Juwan Johnson in his room, ah much to his wife's chagrin.
01:09:03
Roger Emeka
Every year.
01:09:09
Fab
But like, you know, the the the picture is he looks at it every night.
01:09:10
Roger Emeka
was like,
01:09:10
Nacc
has He has that wolverine with that Wolverine thing with the picture. That's that's Roger.
01:09:16
Roger Emeka
yeah ah i was like where are you going with this Wolverine situation?
01:09:19
Fab
Before he goes to bed, he rubs his Juwan Johnson picture.
01:09:21
Nacc
When he's looking at the picture, he's in his bed.
01:09:24
Roger Emeka
So why I'm optimis up optimistic, unfortunately, Taysom Hill tore his ACL late in the season. um So who knows when he'll be back. And if he finished strong. Look, it's the last two games we finished strong. 17 targets, both games, six receptions for 66 yards, six receptions for 80 yards, week 17 and week 18.
01:09:44
Roger Emeka
We all know that a tight end is a rookie QBs or second year QBs best friend. i I think this is the year for him to finally prove me wrong.
01:09:53
Nacc
Wow, he's become a verb.
01:09:55
Roger Emeka
And if it isn't, he'll be Kyle Pitts to
01:10:00
Nacc
he become a verb
01:10:03
Fab
Yeah, I mean, there's, I get what you're saying. I don't disagree. There's a lot of other guys that would be much more interested in getting just because they're playing a better offense. And I feel like this is one of those scenarios where like the talent is there. The target share is there.
01:10:16
Fab
Play calling is probably going be there. The execution will not be there. And just for all the aforementioned things we said before, but it remains to be seen, but it's definitely a good name to keep on your radar because tight end, tight ends are a wasteland right now.
01:10:32
Roger Emeka
Yes.
01:10:33
Fab
Like apart from the top six, seven, after that, it gets very, very murky and you're going to need, and when I say you, I'm listening, I'm talking to you, the listeners. You guys going need to know these names because they're going to be streaming options out there from one week to another.
01:10:47
Fab
Because I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people this year, more than ever, start streaming tight ends. Because there's so much flux and there's so much uncertainty.
01:10:58
Fab
And even like, we're just going to a quick sidebar for tight ends. Like after Bowers, McBride, Kittle, Hawkinson, it gets very difficult. very murky. Like, Kelsey, you don't know what you're going to get.
01:11:10
Fab
Laporta, up and down. Evan Ingram, new offense, even though he's supposed to be the Joker, but apparently they drafted Joker and RJ Harvey.
01:11:15
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
01:11:17
Fab
David Njoku, Cleveland, you can't trust anything in Cleveland. Mark Andrews, balled out last year, towards the end. So, Tucker Craft has touched on the pendant.
01:11:27
Fab
Jake Ferguson, now you have George Pickens coming in. Tyler Warren, you can't trust their quarterback, Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. So, Yeah, it's going to be extremely important that you know all these names are considered because you might be streaming them at some point.
01:11:44
Fab
So yeah, Juwan Johnson. Roger, you break out that poster this year.
01:11:46
Nacc
i will Oh my god, please.
01:11:46
Roger Emeka
I'm going to die on Chiga Quan Quo and Juwan Johnson Island by hook or by crook.
01:11:52
Nacc
Okay,
Conclusion and Social Media Promotion
01:11:53
Nacc
time to end. Time to end.
01:11:55
Fab
Sure. We did Tennessee last week. um So there we have it.
01:11:58
Nacc
any he mentioned him.
01:11:58
TalkinFFB
Yeah.
01:11:59
Fab
And we mentioned him several times.
01:12:00
Roger Emeka
Those are my guys. Those are my guys.
01:12:02
Fab
Yeah, we know, it Roger. We know. We get it. We get it. We get it.
01:12:03
Nacc
I can't.
01:12:04
Fab
You like
01:12:04
Nacc
I can't.
01:12:06
Fab
We like those guys.
01:12:06
Nacc
I can't do it.
01:12:07
Fab
um So was, I think, are we, guys, are we, are we, are we done? Are we? NFC South, fantasy football preview. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. That's our episode. I think we just smashed it, but that's just my opinion. This is the first episode I hosted since I got back from vacation.
01:12:22
Fab
So if I was rusty, um you made it this far. So continue listening, I guess. But thank you very much, everyone, for paying attention, for listening, for listening. for coming on the show.
01:12:33
Fab
Eli, Talking Fantasy Football, follow him on TikTok, follow him on YouTube, at TalkingFFB.
01:12:36
Nacc
Yeah, Eli, well done.
01:12:40
Fab
Like, for real, your videos, very, very good stuff. um I was, yeah, like, really, really good content coming out of there.
01:12:44
TalkinFFB
Appreciate Appreciate it. appreciate it
01:12:47
Fab
So, guys, if you're on TikTok, if you're on YouTube, make sure you you you follow Eli. And at the same time, while you're at it, just follow us, too. We're on YouTube, Spotify, TikTok, Instagram, obviously, and Twitter. I'm...
01:13:00
Fab
I'm Fab. That's Roger. That's Knack. We are the Bush League Huddle Fans Full of Podcasts. Thanks for listening, everybody. We're out. Peace out.
01:13:08
Nacc
Eli, awesome job, man.
01:13:10
Roger Emeka
Great job, Eli. That's fantastic.
01:13:11
Nacc
Thank you so much.
01:13:11
TalkinFFB
Thank you.
01:13:11
Fab
Yeah, Eli.
01:13:12
TalkinFFB
Thank you.
01:13:12
Fab
Good stuff, man. We're going have a conversation. We're going to have you back on during the regular season.
01:13:17
Nacc
is he Is he talking like Leggett right now?
01:13:18
TalkinFFB
You'll have to repeat that.
01:13:18
Nacc
Because i don't I didn't hear what he said.
01:13:21
TalkinFFB
yeah
01:13:23
Roger Emeka
everyone.
01:13:24
Fab
Peace out.
01:13:24
Nacc
Goodbye.
01:13:24
Fab
Come on, man. Thanks, Eli, for coming on. Thank you.