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25. Interview: Sam Stanford
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In this week’s episode, we sit down with Sam Stanford. Sam is a Physicist & Structural Engineer for Jacobs Engineering and the host of a science and education podcast called Everything STEAM. STEAM being an acronym, and if you’re not sure what it stands for, listen on to hear Sam explain it! He currently serves as a STEAM Ambassador for the Jacobs Engineering Pittsburgh office to organize education events for the public. Sam also is a Wisdom App Mentor. On the Wisdom App, Sam holds short discussions on Physics phenomena such as the concept of time, gravity, the electromagnetic spectrum and much more. In the near future, he plans to apply for a Masters program that marries his two knowledge passions which are Physics & Structural Engineering.
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Introduction of Sam Stanford
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Hello and welcome to Pursuit of Infinity. In this week's episode, we sit down with Sam Stanford. Sam is a physicist and structural engineer for Jacobs Engineering and the host of a science and education podcast called Everything STEAM. STEAM being an acronym. And if you're not sure what it stands for, listen on to hear Sam explain it.
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He currently serves as a steam ambassador for the Jacobs Engineering Pittsburgh office to organize education events for the public. Sam also is a wisdom app mentor. On the wisdom app, Sam holds short discussions on physics phenomena such as the concept of time, gravity, the electromagnetic spectrum, and much more.
Support and Engagement
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In the near future, he plans to apply for a master's program that marries his two knowledge passions, which are physics and structural engineering.
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00:01:19
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Evolution of STEM to STEAM
00:01:34
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And without further delay, thank you so much for listening and please help me to welcome to the show, Sam Stanford.
00:02:04
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Hey, Sam, welcome to the show. Hey, Josh. Thanks so much for having me on. It's really exciting to be here. This is what my third, no, my fourth opportunity to be a guest star on a podcast. So excited to be here. Thanks. I appreciate you coming on. Uh, from the first episode of your podcast that I heard, I thought to myself, yeah, I want to talk to this guy. Um, and speaking of your podcast, it's called everything steam and, uh, steam is an acronym. So can you go over what that acronym stands for?
Science Communication and Pandemic
00:02:33
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Yeah, sure. I mean, so it used to be STEM, right? Everybody thought of STEM as the science, technology, engineering, and math, but now it seems as we progress as a society, we're being more inclusive.
00:02:47
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The root of the argument is the A is art, right? And honestly, without art, we wouldn't have science. We wouldn't have technology, engineering, or math, because it's a visual or verbal representation of what you're trying to do in the science fields. So without art, STEM would be nothing. So they just said, well,
00:03:09
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let's make it more inclusive, let's add art into the mix. Because for the longest time, the only way that we could depict the night sky was through paintings or through drawings, and then obviously photography and all these other different modes and methods.
00:03:24
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Communication what we're doing right now artists communication. We're sharing ideas and knowledge back and forth So that's steam. That's that's what I'm trying to do and the podcast was really inspired by the effects or just just the things that I've noticed through the pandemic where I think we have a lack of science communication not that the people that you know, I
00:03:47
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There's obviously amazing science communicators out there, the Green Brothers, Neil Tyson, all these other different people that are out there making great videos for people to consume. But I think we're still lacking in numbers. And I think if there was better science communication, we wouldn't have had many of the issues that we did.
00:04:10
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throughout the fear mongering processes of the pandemic. So that's why I'm doing what I'm doing and I enjoy it. Plus I get to talk to really great people.
Early Career and Passion for Geology
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Yeah, I totally agree. And usually we talk to people who are more focused on psychedelics, consciousness, mysticism, things like that, which is why I wanted to talk to someone like you because you are a physicist and a structural engineer in training. So can you talk about how far along that process you are and where you're studying?
00:04:39
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Yeah, so I'm not that far, believe it or not. So I'm only 24 and I've been practicing as an engineer for just over a year now. Uh, the engineer in training is just a fancy little thing by saying that I'm like in the process of shadowing other engineers that have practice and other professional engineers. I mean, in, in my company, we just refer to everyone as structural engineers or just, you know, whatever discipline that you're in, you're an engineer.
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But the engineering training is just you're on that process to become a professional or licensed engineer. That's my goal. There's other engineers that just will never become professional engineers because they just don't feel like they want the responsibility of stamping. You have to use a lot of ethical or you have to use ethics to solve moral conflicts and stuff. And not a lot of people want to do that, which
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Rightfully so, that's fine. But yeah, that's a path that I'm on as well. And the physicist aspect of it, I have two degrees. I have a degree in physics and a degree in structural engineering. So physics is more of my passion. Obviously, I have a passion for engineering, but I love problem solving and poking holes in society.
00:05:54
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Yeah, I love it. I love trying to understand reality. It's, it's amazing. It's something that I don't know why you would try to be ignorant to because it's just, it's way more fascinating than something that we could sit here and kind of cook up on our own. It's beautiful. Nature's beautiful. So yeah, physics and engineering is, is my life. Love mathematics. Honestly, like.
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Since I've been out of school, I've dove into a lot of different things. I've been studying the process of evolution a lot and other different things within the sciences. Geology, love geology. I love hiking, so when I go out there, I'm always collecting rock to take back and show through TikToks and videos.
James Webb Space Telescope Discussion
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So yeah, I just enjoy science, man.
00:06:38
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Yeah, and you can really tell. That translates in your TikToks and in your podcasts as well. You have a very special sort of way of expressing your interest.
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which I do really appreciate. But yeah, something I really wanted to talk to you about the timing with you coming on has been perfect because we just got the first images of the James Webb space telescope, which are just amazing. So what were your first feelings emotionally when you saw those images? Butterflies.
00:07:14
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Other people have shed tears. I had butterflies. In my opinion, it's one step closer or it's one, I guess, step further towards being more of an intelligent species, understanding reality.
00:07:33
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Actually, the vast majority of the butterflies came to the realization of just the millions of people that have, you know, dedicated their lives and time to the James Webb space telescope. You know, cause it, it took a long time, right? You know, what well over a decade, I'm sure that they were, you know, even just the science that went into it before any of the engineering could take place.
00:07:59
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where you had to develop the understanding of infrared technology. How can we harvest infrared? How can we even understand gravitational lensing like we did with that galaxy cluster image? That was gorgeous. I mean, it's so great to see this take hold. And honestly, it's the future. The future is happening right now. We're going to get
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Fingers crossed that it's just like Hubble, where it lasts way longer than we projected, and we get so much information out of it. And it's just going to help us out as a civilization, as it just, ah, still getting butterflies. It's amazing.
00:08:38
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Yeah, it's so amazing. And so as I understand, like you said, the James Webb telescope was infrared technology and the Hubble was ultraviolet, right? So what makes infrared so much more accurate than ultraviolet?
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So the Hubble Space Telescope was visible light and with a touch of ultraviolet. Now with the James Webb Space Telescope, it's more near infrared and infrared. So when I say near infrared, it's like really red shifted light on the electromagnetic spectrum. So if you think about it on an energy scale, we're looking at less energetic wavelengths in the James Webb Space Telescope where
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the Hubble Space Telescope was looking at something that was more energetic. So something that's more blue-shifted, possibly moving towards us, whereas red-shifted, we could see more things moving away from us. So that's why we were able to use gravitational lensing to see these galaxies that were moving away from us, you know, they're 13.5 billion years into the past. So really what the difference is between a telescope is, is what we can see.
Understanding Physics and Engineering
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it in the most late terms what we can see what we can image so we're adding on to that's why we're taking the same images that that Hubble did because now we can add on to the information that was already there we get a better picture of what's going on and one really cool thing about the the
00:10:09
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the name drop that I gave about the galaxy cluster image. I don't remember the exact galaxy cluster now, but anyways, if you were to walk outside with a grain of sand in your fingers, in between your fingertips, and hold it out at arm's length, that's the same relative piece of sky that the James Webb Telescope was looking at. And there's thousands of galaxies there. Obviously Hubble did the same thing just in different wavelengths, different information, but
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Isn't that just fascinating? There's thousands of galaxies just in one small image and we're able to look at gravitational lensing and see something almost back to where the birth of the universe started. We're obviously not going to see the primordial soup of the beginning of the universe, but we can see up to that where we start to see coalescence of the four fundamental forces.
00:11:05
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Amazing. It's amazing. So we're seeing like essentially the first inclinations of light that come to us, right? Because we can't see anything beyond the light that makes its way to us from 13, 14 billion years ago. So how long was the big bang ago? How long did they say that was?
00:11:26
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So that was 13.5 and I think it was between 13.5 and 14 billion years ago That number is a little ambiguous because it's tough to map but I mean it's within that range You know, there's a level of uncertainty there
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But ultimately, like what I said, it's really tough to go back in time to the primordial era because there's nothing to image. It's vastly theoretical, but backed by an unbelievable amount of science and mathematics. Yeah, so we talk a lot about the nature of reality on this show, where
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humans are going, where consciousness is going, you know, what stages of evolution, you know, have yet to be shed upon us. Um, so this is a very broad question, but in your field, um, what do you think some of the most important things that physics and structural engineering can tell us about where humanity is heading?
Climate Change and Humanity's Survival
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Yeah, sure. So, I mean,
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First of all, to distinguish between the two, physics is kind of answering the questions and the phenomena. Like, why does this happen? You know, how can we measure it? What is it? Kind of the deal. And engineering takes that information and puts it into practice. So it's kind of like the entire spectrum of what we need to understand and manipulate reality to certain situations, not even just for us, but just in general. Selfless and selfish acts, I guess. It's probably a good way to put that.
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In terms of where we're heading with those,
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My projection of humanity is maybe a little more bleak, I guess. It's not fear mongering by any means. It's just backed upon scientific data. One thing that I like to say, and I've been pondering about this a lot lately, is that with the amount of species that have been alive on Earth, that existed on Earth for the last 3.8 billion years,
00:13:36
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99.9% of them have perished or went extinct. So the numbers aren't that good looking. Not a good sign.
00:13:48
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It doesn't mean that we have to be in that category, right? The point, you know, zero one or the point, the point one there is, you know, think about it as like sharks. Sharks have survived the last five mass extinctions. I don't know if they'll survive this one, but they've survived the last five, which is amazing. They've been around for 400 plus million years. It's insane. You know, there's, there's other species that are like that and.
00:14:17
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It's quite possible with the fact that we're able to use fiction through a beautiful chance of mutation is another reason why we're sitting here talking through microphones. So maybe that's an exception to that 99.9%. Who knows? Right now it's looking very interesting. We're at a very interesting crossroads of
00:14:46
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climate change and I know that's obviously a hot button topic, but I think if we can Overcome ours or our fiction in a lot of ways, you know because fiction is great I mean, it's the reason why we're we're here but if we can kind of decipher what's fiction and what's fact and Get over certain geopolitical differences. I think we can we can outlast at least anthropogenic climate change
00:15:16
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Because there's a big difference between anthropogenic and natural. I mean, both of them are very scary, of course, because we have certain limits as a species, at least biologically. So I think if we can do those base level things, get over our differences, then we'll be good. And science will definitely help with that.
00:15:40
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Not so as much physics, but biology will answer those questions. Engineering will try to tackle the problem at hand. And it's already there. The technology is already there to do that. It's just interpersonal relationships is what's the header at the moment.
00:15:59
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But yeah, I, I'm hopeful, but I'm also a realist about where humanity's moving towards technology. Love it. Like excited about it. Of course, not as much as technological waste, like.
00:16:11
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I think sustainability is the future. Technology is obviously the future for progression of us because we still have a lot of subcategories to answer in terms of moving forward. But I think physics is really just understanding reality. And I think we've done a really good job of that so far. Obviously, we don't know core concepts of why, like, for example, electromagnetism.
00:16:38
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We can see its effects, but we don't know why the hell it happens. There's a lot of things to be answered, but we've answered a lot of the stuff that gave us buildings and cars and better food for us or different things that have made life a little bit easier.
00:16:59
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So I don't know if that, I don't know if that skirted your, your question a little bit. I mean, hopefully I had some good answers in there, but it's hard. I mean, that's a tough question. That's a tough question. It's a very broad question. Um, and what it seems like thematically within your answer, um, was prominent is that we are in control of our future, which to me is hopeful. Um, so that being said, is there anything, or there may be a few things that you think that people
Evolution and Equality
00:17:27
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the general public doesn't really pay much attention to in terms of maybe biology or physics that we should be learning more about that will sort of maybe broaden our sense of what reality is and what our relationship to it should be. Yeah, absolutely. And obviously the clickbait answer from any person who loves science is evolution.
00:17:52
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Uh, I, I keep seeing these comments of people that, you know, like are anti-evolution and they're like, scientists will do everything that they can to plug evolution and every answer. That's because it is pretty much every, you know, an answer to every question, you know? I mean, so like a good example of that is understanding that we're all, you know, homo sapien, like studying evolution that we, you know,
00:18:20
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Why we looked at, why we look different, you know, why we behave different culturally is, is a process of evolution, right? Why I'm white, other people are black, other people have different, I, you know, like I, uh, structures, you know, it's, it's all based on an evolutionary process. And once we can kind of understand the basic science of that, uh, across the majority, we'll treat people equally. Oh, you know, uh, consciously.
00:18:50
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And you know, unconsciously, unconscious is the biggest one. Because once you become conscious, you're aware of what you're really saying. But like unconscious is why we still have a lot of embedded issues socially. But if we can have that, I think we'll be able to answer a lot of social questions, which will lead to a lot of breakthroughs in science, because that's where a lot of barriers are science. So if we can, if we can grasp evolution better and have maybe more understanding communication of evolution,
00:19:20
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it'll farewell for us. Another thing, I wanted to jump back just really quick because you said that we do have control of what happens. Not exactly. I mean, maybe with technology and stuff, but then we're also hampered by resources and natural phenomenon, right? Because I mean, natural phenomenon is quite scary. And we are understanding
00:19:48
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like climate, we're able to model a lot of things, but like the theory, like the chaos theory is, is a thing like chaos is something that it's hard to model. It's hard to understand. Like, uh, if you break things down in reality, it's much more chaotic and uncertain, you know, than you would like to, to think because like, you know, it's, it's ignorance, you know, can we use, um,
00:20:17
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It's hard to explain, but really reality is a lot more chaotic than what you're told. It's to a degree unpredictable, so we have to be aware of that as a species. I think a lot of people are. Can we answer a lot of questions socially? Sure.
00:20:40
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A lot of natural phenomenon could be the ideal end of humanity as well. You have to be humble about it. It reminds me of even just jumping right back to what we were talking about with understanding evolution, it seems to shed light on our relationship to
Incentivizing Sustainable Practices
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nature. That to me is a very important part of how we end up deciding to progress, whether it comes to climate change, industrialization.
00:21:10
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Climate change, how much of that, because it's hotly debated, how much of that in your vision is in control of our, like is within our control and caused by us? Oh, um, so I just met with a climatologist and a couple of weeks ago, before, before my vacation. And we were talking about climate change, natural versus anthropogenic.
00:21:35
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And he said that the rate of temperature versus time is actually 106% our fault. Wow. Okay. And I never thought about it that way, right? Because you think of a hundred percent being a cap of something, but not exactly. If you're talking about rates of change, because.
00:21:55
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To be you know to fully explain that way people aren't going that's bullshit. What are you saying? We're we're in a Localized downslope of temperature. We should be naturally where it's caused by the Milankovitch cycle And if you know if anybody wants to look up what the Milankovitch cycle is go for it But anyways, we were on the downward trend towards a trough of the cycle Which means it's it's a localized
00:22:23
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because we're in an interglacial period, we were just in a localized cooling period. It's not that we were in a glacial period, just interglacial. So we're warm, but we're still localized cold. That makes sense. We're heading towards a trough. We're supposed to be getting colder and colder, I think for the next 10 to 15,000 years, something of that order of magnitude. But the problem is as we were going on that down slope towards the localized minimum,
00:22:53
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we actually took a big turn and level out the rate of change to where now we're actually increasing in temperature. And that's where people were talking about this one degree C, two degrees C, three degrees C. It's because we went to a point where we stopped getting colder and we started to get warmer. So that's that 106%. It's, you know, if it was a hundred percent, it means that it completely stopped the rate of change and we're just kind of like,
00:23:18
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Level, but now we're starting to move up and what what bothers me is that if we skip the whole process of heading towards the trough trough and just start heading
00:23:31
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you know, towards a positive rate of change. I don't know if humanity's quite capable of reacting to that because we've been developing as a society since the agricultural revolution in a cooling period rather than a warming period. So I don't know what that, well, we have ideas.
00:23:53
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We don't know the total effects of what that would do with anthropogenic and natural, especially if we didn't do anything about anthropogenic. So that's where a lot of people are like hitting the oh shit button, you know, which is understandable, but I'm not here to fear monger, right? Because there's a lot of technology that could help us out, you know, base level science that could help us out in at least, you know, doing something about anthropogenic climate change.
00:24:20
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And then we can learn from that and then understand what we can do about natural climate change in the future. So it's helpful, but it's also a realist point of view that this is what's going on.
00:24:31
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Yeah, it seems to go back to socially what we're capable of actually putting into change, like putting into progress. And politically, unfortunately, it's where all these things start with legislation. And it doesn't seem like our governments are willing to.
00:24:51
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Uh, to put anything into action because there's so many businesses, corporations that are, um, that are so used to making a profit based off of particularly what they're doing, which happens to be detrimental to the climate. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I think, um, and a lot of people don't like this.
00:25:09
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especially the people who are anti-capitalist, which I get it to a fair degree. But with respect to like with climate change and answering the bell, we need it. Like 100% we need it because we need fast action change. And if you can do something with policy, say like with
00:25:30
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carbon taxation, water taxation, carbon credits. If we could implement carbon credits, then we would incentivize these big businesses to change and sell carbon credits. So like, oh, we could make more money by changing what we do and by selling carbon credits to other companies that don't want to change yet. So it's incentivizing the dollar and incentivizing
00:25:58
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inventions to make more money. Money is not everything, but it is in this idealism because you'll birth amazing technology, birth a movement, an actual green movement, not this bullshit greenwashing that we get.
00:26:22
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taking advantage of economics to do it. I can make more money, so let's do it this way. I totally agree. I think that is such a great distinction between taxing and incentivizing. From just a judgment perspective, I feel like in concept, if you're judging something
Societal Beliefs and AI's Impact
00:26:44
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whether good or bad, based off of like punishment or like taxation, there's sort of a negative connotation that comes with that as opposed to incentivizing because incentivizing is just inherently positive. So in my view, I think that's the way that we should proceed.
00:27:01
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Yeah, and you'll probably get, we'll probably get a little bit of both. I'm hoping more for the incentivization. But even with incentivizing it, they still have to change. So I mean, I think we would still end up getting feeling some effects because of course, as we know it, you know,
00:27:18
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The middle, lower class always feels change in that, in that manner, you know, we're always paying for it. But I think that it would be a shorter period in which we would have to pay for it, pay out for it rather than just taxing them. And that's, it's just not the answer. In my opinion, it should be like, you know,
00:27:41
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heavily incentivized, but I still think with policy, right? It's hard to lean on policy for a win, so just expect both at this point. Yeah, which is why it looks bleak, because again, we're relying on politicians that have lost our trust, and it just seems like things are going to get worse before they get better. Yeah, 100%. I want to shout out a book that I'm reading right now, and it's called Sapiens. Have you heard about it?
00:28:10
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I have heard this book actually. Yeah. Yeah. A brief history of humankind. Great book. Love it. One thing that the author really breaks down is the fact that society is built on fiction ideas. And one point that he made was beautiful is that.
00:28:26
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You know, all these amazing kingdoms and dynasties have fell over time because over time, people start to get tired of the fiction that they created in which sewn society together. You know, the fiction is usually like, oh, it's freedom under God or freedom under this divine right or saying or kind of manipulating a bunch of people to understand or to come together. That's the only way that like 383 million people can be sewn together.
00:28:55
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is through fiction. Without fiction, we would still be acting like chimpanzees and bonobos, where you can only be in a large enough group to where you start to subdivide and overthrow the already in power overrule. So with fiction, we were able to create cities, kingdoms, dynasties, et cetera. And each one of those have failed over time based upon the majority
00:29:23
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wanting to change this fiction because they find out that this fiction is a false reality.
00:29:29
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So in my opinion, with the way that we talked about where's the projection of humanity, it'll continue to repeat that 100%. And I don't want to jump ahead at all, but I just want to put a precursor here that I think artificial intelligence will 100% help us change the way that we look at a fictionized society.
00:29:55
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We'll be able to say that is bullshit. That's exactly where I was going. I was going to ask you, I was going to go down the same line. What I was going to say is exactly the same thing. I think that AI is the thing that corrects our fiction. A lot of people are scared of AI. I am not one of them. I think that AI is a beautiful thing. I think it was William James who said a while ago, a quote he said was,
00:30:23
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human beings are the sex organs of the technology world or something along those lines. And I love that, you know, it's almost like we're unconsciously building something that we don't even know what its potential is. But I feel its potential is just through the roof. Oh, yeah, 100%. Like, interactions socially, you know, just even like, like, like, look, for example, I don't, I don't mean to plug Elon, like every single engineer in this world would, but
00:30:51
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I his company honestly i'm more excited about people work for himself. But the like neural link i'm actually really excited about that one because of its health implications what it can do for people who are paraplegic people who are blind people have alzheimer's etc that's huge that's huge for humanity it's gonna.
00:31:13
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project, you know, like progress life, make life a lot longer, more not even making life longer, but making life better, you know, and then also being able to cognitively share ideas with others and increasing the, you know, a human's, uh, intellect is just.
Human Evolution and Civilization Advancement
00:31:35
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A great thing, right? And with that you can bypass or at least understand what's fiction versus what's fact. And that's what I, in my opinion, that's what's going to say in my opinion, but honestly, like with, with the trends that I've seen.
00:31:51
Speaker
It's what's going on right now. People are having a really tough time, especially with the, not downfall, but with, with a problem that we have in, in our education system, at least here in the United States, we're having a hard time deciphering what's fact and what's fiction, what's misinformation, what's information. And with, with an, uh, Corporation of something like neural Lake or just, you know, a device like that, it doesn't have to be neural Lake.
00:32:17
Speaker
I think there's unprecedented things that could come to benefit us, for sure. Do you think there's a certain amount of responsibility and maturity that a species should have before they start to get involved with something like a Neuralink in terms of maybe like an institutionalized organization taking advantage of it? Yeah, you know, that's so hard because
00:32:46
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We don't know, right? We're, from what we understand, we're the only species on this planet that understands or tries to predict the future and try to relive the past because we're fiction based and it's all based on, you know, a chance of genetic mutation, right? Like we're.
00:33:08
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We have no basis of knowledge to go off of. We're inventing everything based on our interpretation of reality. So that's really tough to say whether we're doing it right or wrong. Honestly, so Neil Tyson, he has a really good way of putting it, right?
00:33:30
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what we do as human beings with what I said with the prediction of the future and reliving the past, right, memories in that way.
00:33:42
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and fiction is something that technically is not needed for survival, right? Evolution has shown that you need like camouflage and body armor and, you know, different like social interaction of of being able to communicate in many different ways. But nowhere does it do we need to have fiction.
00:34:08
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Like, but we do. So, so it's, you know, we could be, uh, very like obviously to gen, genetic mutation, but like we could be one of the few in the entire cosmos that owns that just because it's, it's not necessary, but it happened because evolution is by, by chance, not by.
00:34:30
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a set precursor. So I'm sorry, do you mind asking that question again? I just wanted to push, I wanted to plug that before I started anything else.
AI and Future Human Colonization
00:34:39
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Well, what you just said sort of leads me to, like you mentioned earlier, a type one civilization. So as I understand this type one, type two, type three. So what will, in your view, like, do you see any of the beginnings of us becoming sort of the next inclination of civilization?
00:35:06
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If we continue to, again, this is such a hard thing to answer, but I think if we battle what could possibly make us become extinct, we'll definitely get there. And the biggest thing that's staring us in the face right now is obviously climate change.
00:35:27
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As a species, as us, right? Not as every single species on the planet, but just as a species in general with respect to climate change. Because things get pretty crazy when stuff gets warm and we haven't really experienced that much.
00:35:42
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So, um, I think, yes, like with the development of artificial intelligence and being able to decipher back versus fiction, also be able to have a cognitive boost, you know, in intelligence through, through, uh, artificial intelligence. I think so. I think so. Because one thing that, that I am really excited about is artificial intelligence replication.
00:36:09
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And, you know, the big, the big topic today is, you know, we're in the next revolution of space travel, like where we're trying to become, you know, interplanetary and for good reason, a lot of people hate it. You know, obviously there is no planet B, you know, this is the most ideal habitable situation, even though arguably earth is not that great to be inhabiting, you know, if you, if you study the science, but
00:36:39
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We need it for a safe haven, right? We need a backup plan because a lot of things can happen that could naturally, that could put us into a big situation or a big problem. So being able to go to Mars and send, or the moon, et cetera, and send artificial intelligence to create like a habitable place is ideal because
00:37:06
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Humans aren't going to go and be out in the radiation. It gives you cancer like that and be able to put up structures in microclimates. So if you wanted to do that and wanted to have a safe haven for humans as a backup plan, artificial intelligence can do that. Also artificial intelligence with transportation.
00:37:25
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with health, with just literally, I mean, it's just so endless. I mean, it doesn't have to take your job. It doesn't, you know, it's actually an enhancement rather than an endurance to humanity. And the problem is, it's this whole mysticism and fictionized push where it's fear mongering all the, you know, lay people that don't know much about artificial intelligence.
00:37:50
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Honestly, I wish it would take my job bringing up some things that I would rather do. And I do see that as a vast improvement upon our economy and our social civilization in the future too.
00:38:05
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You know a lot of these jobs that we do all the time a lot of these jobs that people you know quote-unquote waste their life away doing you know we we Dedicate the the best years of our life to eight hours a day of working and usually in a job that doesn't fulfill us So something I see happening is artificial intelligence taking over some of those mundane jobs some of the things that are
00:38:28
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You know, that we do in factories, obviously we see, you know, robotics coming to, to fruition. Um, and just freeing us up to, to be people, you know, to define that a part in steam more. Um, and that I think is a, is a beautiful part of what science is starting to adopt. Yeah. A hundred percent. The person who works 60 hours a week running for strawberries in the strawberry patch, right? At probably below minimum wage.
00:38:59
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Uh, it could be greatly, you know, changed by artificial intelligence by, by complete, not even direct, but indirect impacts, right? Getting, uh, intelligence about, um, you know, a certain say, like, obviously they come over here, like, like the, unfortunately, the vast majority of people that do such jobs like that in the United States are people who come over here, immigrate over here to do that. Um, so getting artificial intelligence of like where they come from.
00:39:27
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and understanding their situations and increasing their quality of life there will keep people from having to do those disgusting and backbreaking jobs. They just don't even get to enjoy life. Why should I experience life at a greater magnitude than that person?
00:39:46
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There's, you have no answer to it, right? I mean, if you did, and if it was a negative answer, you have no morals, you know? But to jump back to, I guess, completely answer the, are we heading to type one?
00:40:03
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I think on an energy perspective, we are, uh, for the, for the most part, I mean, obviously that's G uh, geopolitics and then just, um, you know, nation politics, but like, I think with, with technology and where we're heading and the idealism of what we need to do, I think we are cause type one deals with, can we harvest and understand and fully develop the energy in which has given to us naturally, you know, son, obviously.
00:40:29
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fusion is wind geothermal Tidal and then other things that a lot of people don't think about but like Physicists love to think about is how can we take a hurricane in harness a hurricanes energy? How can we take a tornado and harness a tornadoes energy? How can we look at earthquakes and and get energy from an earthquake?
Extraterrestrial Life and Human Limitations
00:40:53
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so
00:40:55
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I think we're on the way. We're starting to see tidal energy being put in coastal regions, where it makes sense. We're starting to see more offshore solar. We're starting to see solar being put in places that make sense. It's getting there. It really is.
00:41:16
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So type one civilization is on the radar. It's just a matter of incentivizing it again. Do we want to really pursue this? Because honestly, it's more economical and it's actually more, I guess, you get better profit from it.
00:41:37
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Honestly, so I heard this on a podcast from a man, I can't remember the name of the guy, but he was a scientist and he was talking about how if you were to take the budget, the US budget.
00:41:53
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and take one year's budget of the military budget, which is like $450, $480 billion. I mean, you can fact check that. It's probably around that, give or take. You could actually green re-incentivize the energy grid of the United States six to seven times.
00:42:19
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and we would be good. The technology's there. We have to decide to make that jump, right? Yeah. Yeah. So we're close. I think the estimate was that we're at like a 0.7 civilization. So between zero and one, and then one is obviously a type one civilization where you completely encompass the energy of the natural surroundings of Earth and then obviously the sun, and then also interplanetary travel. We're getting there. We're getting there.
00:42:50
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estimates, I think Michio Kaku said it was like, give it a hundred years. But then there's also other scientists and, uh, like the late and great, uh, Stephen Hawking said that, you know, we might be gone by 2100. And so like there's, who knows we're, we're on the brink. That's why I said, I think we're just, we're hitting the barrier and I think artificial intelligence is, is the answer. I do. Yeah. I'm, I'm confident. I think humans are awesome and we find a way, you know, um,
00:43:19
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And that brings me to something that we've been thinking about and talking about quite a bit on this podcast. I just released an episode actually about it, which would be UFO and UAPs. And just the whole phenomenon of a potential advanced civilization being either outside of us and coming from space, interplanetary, intergalactically, or potentially even
00:43:46
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You know, residing here on earth in our oceans and things like that. So what are your sort of views on on this phenomenon? So first of all, a really cool term that I think is fun is, you know, the transportation of Indian inhabitants of.
00:44:02
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aliens on here is like panspermia, like that it was the life was the trend. Yeah, that's a cool thing. I love the name of it. But, um, my thoughts, I mean, there's a lot of thoughts and again, there's a lot of avenues of which, which could happen, but just the sheer, I mean, we talked about the James Webb space telescope, just the, the thousands and thousands of galaxies, galaxies that were in the area at arm's length of a grain of sand.
00:44:33
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You know what I mean? And then those galaxies, of course, like the Milky Way galaxy, have hundreds of millions of stars, which have planets probably at each solar system, right? Each star system. Sorry, let me rephrase. Solar is based on solar, which is our sun. That's egotistic of me. But to just think about the sheer number of possible planets out there that have
00:45:04
Speaker
that could have biological signal, that could be within a habitable zone. Honestly, you don't even need to be in a habitable zone. And that's something that we're figuring out with the water worlds that are in our solar system, like Titan, Enceladus, Europa, Ceres, and many others. There's a phenomenon called tidal interaction, where you have a core that's expanding and contracting because it's moving around a mass.
00:45:33
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a large mass, like Jupiter or Saturn, where it's creating energy and heat. And if you know anything about underwater volcanoes, where it
00:45:44
Speaker
expels this heat, right? Because the heat has to go somewhere. And what we're seeing is that there's underwater or under surface oceans on these planets. So we call them water worlds, where they're capped off usually by an ice. And ice is not just subject to water. It's subject to the different materials. And it caps it off. And what it does is it creates a crust that has an underlayer ocean.
00:46:10
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So what we're doing or what they're doing is trying to send missions within the next decade and obviously further to see if there's biological life there. And there's a lot of atmospheric gases that we're seeing that tell the tale of biological signals. So we don't have to just be a terrestrial world in a habitable, in a habitable zone like earth. It could be, there's many possibilities out there. So for anybody to sit here and say that we're alone,
00:46:40
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You're living under a rock and you're ignorant.
00:46:44
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Just say it. Straight up. Just say it. And I think on your last podcast, you had mentioned this and it was like one of the first things I thought of when you talk about the planet that has those bodies of water inside that's encapsulated by ice. You think of an igloo and ice is just one of the best thermal insulators that there are. So I mean, who knows what's under that ice? 100%.
00:47:11
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Yep. And I agree. And honestly, like that's, this is another thing that, uh, I was watching a video, meet your clock. I love that guy, but anyways, he's great. He is. And he was, he was kind of saying like, you know, we evolved on earth. We organisms evolved on earth based upon certain atmospheric conditions, but, uh, that doesn't
00:47:34
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Conjugate life right life has certain things that come together and coalesce through through energy and different, you know the making simple single-celled life into multi-cellular life But that doesn't have to do with the atmospheric conditions, right we could like they could have a different system in which they have evolved to
00:48:02
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intake and X in, um, project out and not be affected by ethane and methane and other, what we consider to us really dangerous things. So, you know, like, like I said before, evolution is not something that you can predict, right? It's something that just happens that is, is based upon chance and mutation. So if, if you can.
00:48:28
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If you can coalesce single-celled life into multicellular life, there's bound to be evolved organisms on these planets that can undergo different processes based upon its environment. There's many different opportunities out there. That's why you get all these interesting different science fiction characters that can
00:48:53
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that can and can't breathe air on certain planets because they've evolved differently. But the base level science is saying that that's possible.
00:49:03
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Yeah, that's amazing to even think about. Yeah. And that begs the question, how would we even know then like, is there, is there a type of, cause I mean, we can only observe what we can take in through our senses and our senses are based upon our evolutionary biology. So how can we even be sure that these things are even like sensible according to how we perceive information? I mean, they could be.
00:49:28
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You know, interdimensional, you know, which brings consciousness into play, you know, and what is consciousness? How does it emerge from, you know, parts that by themselves don't really mean much, but then when you put them together, some sort of consciousness that, you know, emerges from it and how important is that to life? I mean, how do you see like a single celled organism as, as inhibiting consciousness?
00:49:54
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Oh man, I don't know if I'm the right person to ask that question. I would say consult a neuroscientist or something, but I don't know. I mean, that's tough. Like I said, before we started this recording, it's like, you know, you go into a library and you see, you know, four bookshelves full of
00:50:13
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You know stuff about what is consciousness? Have we answered consciousness and stuff? Well, then you go to like a physics shelf and it's like there's like four books, you know Where like it's tough. It really is I I don't
00:50:26
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I don't contemplate what consciousness is, I contemplate the effects of consciousness, like between like human interaction, like what we talked about before is like, you know, could AI help us decipher, you know, our unconscious and conscious behavior to decipher between fact and fiction? So I would like to say,
00:50:52
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Consciousness is very interesting. At one point in my time, I thought consciousness was cyclic. Just like everything else is pretty much cyclic in the universe. But I don't know. That's really tough. That's a tough answer. But to where you were talking about human senses, human senses suck,
Role of Fiction in Progress
00:51:12
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man. They're terrible.
00:51:13
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like biologically terrible. For instance, we, from what we have discovered on the electromagnetic spectrum, we can only see 0.0035% of it. I think it's either three zeros or two zeros. Now I'm psyching myself out. But either way, it's an unbelievably small amount. That's what we call visible light spectrum.
00:51:37
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Everything else is just non-existent to us without technology. Like the James Webb Space Telescope, Hubble, et cetera, were able to understand, at least take data, and then put it into visible light. Because what you saw from the James Webb Space Telescope images were things that were converted from near infrared, infrared, into visible light. So you and I could go, whoa, that's wild.
00:52:05
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Our olfactory glands for smell sucks compared to so many other species. Our sense of taste, not that great. Our sense of touch. We're a pretty mundane species and if it wasn't for fiction, again, we sure as shit would not be here having this conversation. Honestly, before we had a cognitive revolution between 30,000 and 70,000 years ago,
00:52:34
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We were, we were merely, um, even way before that, before we kind of developed bipelism in that, in that realm between 2.1 and about 70,000 years ago, we were mostly like scavengers. Where we were mid, mid range on the, um, on the food chain, where we had to wait our turn in terms of there was something dead out there. We had to wait until the, the lions.
00:53:00
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did the kill, the hyenas scavenged, and then we were like the after. We were like shooing off the vultures to go have a meal. It's a little annoying and egotistic to think that we're like the all superior things. It just so happened to be that we can interpret and project fiction. So yeah, humans are great, obviously. Every organism has its impeccable things.
00:53:31
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You know, we're just humans and, um, with respect to like aliens in, in, in other, uh, you know, regions, like I said, it might be that this is, this is like a running, uh, hypothesis. I'm not going to say theory because it hasn't been proven, but hypothesis that. Like I said before, the fact that we can do fiction is just based on chance where, you know, there might not be.
00:53:59
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intelligent species within the Milky Way, but there might be one like within Andromeda maybe.
00:54:06
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Hard to tell, hard to tell, but we're looking for those signs, right? But even with the signs of what we're doing now is obviously really hard to detect and something that only travels at the speed of light. So there's something four light years away, it takes four years for us to receive that information. And obviously if you leave the Milky Way, which the Milky Way is 100
00:54:31
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It's 100 million light years across. It's 100 million years in which you could receive information from, say, on the other side of the Milky Way without it being completely distorted by interactions.
00:54:45
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It's it's a perplexing thing. You know, is there life? It's almost guaranteed. But like, is there intelligent life? And are they already gone? Because you can send a signal 100 million years into the past. You know, like there are 100 million years in the past where we're getting it. But then.
00:55:06
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Who's to say, you know, cause like most things don't last a hundred billion years. Like I said, 99.9% of species on earth have went extinct with the exception of like sharks and other certain things. So like the possibilities are small in that aspect, but the fact that it, that life, um, happens, you know, biology happens is unprecedentedly strong.
00:55:33
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I hope that made, I mean, that's like, I keep throwing out these really click bait and, um, you know, skirting around
Interstellar Travel Challenges
00:55:40
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the answer, uh, or skirting around the question answers, but I hope I'm contributing to something. Oh, no, you absolutely are. No, you definitely are. And that's the type of questions that I'm asking you are unanswerable questions. You know, it's basically spit balling and theorizing or hypothesizing, not theorizing.
00:55:57
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And another one that I can throw at you is Do you think they're here and if they are here does physics support that in any way? Yeah, so Yeah, I guess I only talked about information travel. I didn't even talk about like actual Like actual biology being able to travel because one thing that we have to understand and through special relativity I guess not
00:56:26
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Like we already understand it as like a, like a civilization, but like from person to person, we have to understand like special relativity, right? Because as you start to travel towards the speed of light, you have to lose mass to be able to do that because photons travel at the speed of light and they're completely massless. They're just pure packets of energy. Whereas, you know, like as you start to travel at that speed, the force becomes so great in which literally biology becomes ripped into particles.
00:56:54
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So the only way in which that could happen, which is it's only hypothesized is like, you know, gravity. Well, or, um, the other possibility is through wormholes, which is something that is completely theoretical. Like, uh, Einstein's, um, you know, relativistic equations do predict, uh, wormholes, but they're, you know, completely.
00:57:23
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something erratic, right? It's, we have no idea. We don't even know if they exist. We haven't seen them yet, but I mean, like they predicted black holes and there's black holes. We imaged one. We've imaged multiple now. So, I mean, it's, it's possible, but like just to be able to even go through a wormhole is also unpredictable. Where's it going to go? It's just pinches in space time. You have a hole here and a hole here. Am I going to end up over here? Am I going to end up over here?
Black Holes and Mysticism
00:57:52
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Who knows? So like, that's hard to do. Gravity wells is being able to warp space time. So like, you know how a black hole can warp space time to where it's like rips in the fabric of space time? If you think about it in a 2D sense, obviously in a 3D sense, it's just a big, big, you know, elongated pothole. Or like, say, a lava tube would maybe be a better way to think about it. If you were to, like, there's people that have been working on the gravity well,
00:58:22
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situation for a long time, for decades, I guess, decades, not a long time, decades. And the possibility of creating warps in space time through spaceships, what it would essentially do is if you're warping space time through gravitational wells, you can also move through time faster.
00:58:49
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It's kind of like skipping the whole I need to be massless to be able to travel towards the speed of light. It's being able to move through time a lot faster. And also with time, also because time is part of the fabric, you're moving from point A to point B faster as well because you're curving it. So those are two things that are
00:59:11
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greatly theorized, but like obviously not anywhere near, um, in fruition yet. It doesn't mean, I guess it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Uh, but that would be like literally the only way that biological life, biological biology could make it to earth and be here. So the chances of that are like really, really, really slim.
00:59:32
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Uh, I'm more exercising the fact that they're, that they're in existence, but like for them to be here, it's like exponentially decreasing towards not like a reality. Right. Cause one, you have to be intelligent. So you have to jump through all of these barriers. You know, are you destroying yourself as a society? Are you incorporating technology? Are you overcoming the natural processes of the planet in which you are residing?
00:59:59
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Can you figure out the cosmos? Can you manipulate space time to be able to get from A to B? And those are huge, obviously. Like we're 0.7 on the scale, on this fictitious scale that we've made. So the possibility drops off, but like, I mean, there's still a possibility, right?
01:00:20
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And yeah, the potential manipulation of space time, just that in itself is fascinating to even theorize or even hypothesize because how in the world would you even go about that? And when people talk about traveling through a black hole, maybe it's just my ignorance, but if you can't even get close enough to the sun without being burned up and obliterated, how in the world can you even get close to a black hole without just being torn apart and turned into just like particles?
01:00:49
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Well, even, even that, you know, you talk about sun, the sun, especially with like heat resistance, right? Uh, if you get to towards the event horizon, you're incinerated. It's on the orders of trillions and trillions of degrees Celsius. So like, yeah. Yeah. So like if you, if you get near the, um, event horizon, you're getting cooked before.
01:01:16
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you even like you become a plasma right plasmas the state of matter and then you know it doesn't matter from there you just all particle matter and obviously particles aren't conscious so like how are you supposed to like it just goes into an infinite not infinite we say infinite like
01:01:37
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Black holes aren't infinite mass. They're still quantifiable mass, but to the human brain, it's infinite mass where you just become pushed into a singularity. The really fun thing about black holes, which is so exciting, is the fact that since black holes create rips in the fabric of space-time, I keep throwing these asterisks on there because we think of it in two-dimensional words, three-dimensional, but it has this punching effect through space-time where
01:02:07
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If you were in a black hole, if you were in a black hole, you could see the entirety of the universe in which you reside in play out because time does not exist now because it's punches through time. Gorgeous. And then there's also the theory that like if you're in there in the black hole in its center point,
01:02:27
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You're looking at, you could look one way in which the universe is unfolding in eternity and in eternity. And on the other end, you could look at another universe in its entirety, starting. That's cute. It's beautiful, but like, how would you?
01:02:45
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Yeah. I mean, this is starting to, it gets to the realm of like just absolute unknowability and just again, fiction, you know, it's based off of a fiction that we tell ourselves that is based in, you know, the, the five senses that we have to interpret reality through. So yeah. Yeah. Good point. Uh, I forgot to say this earlier. So the reason why we are here today is because we use fiction, but like as
01:03:13
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fiction like fiction what fiction does is it's trying to brick like we're trying to predict something we're using our imagination and what imagination does is it gets people curious and excited to tackle a problem and then Once that happens, that's where we incorporate science, right? So mysticism creates science and then science solves the problem and then it should never be mystified again
01:03:38
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But it is. The majority of people, they accept the science. It's an objective truth. We move on. But there's still some people that use mysticism in the place of science, which it bothers the hell out of me. But honestly, mysticism is the reason why we know the things that we know today. If it wasn't for Mr. Newton,
01:04:07
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saying, well, okay, this apple fell in front of me. Why isn't the moon falling on to me? We wouldn't have had him create the, you know, calculus, well, portions of calculus in the, um, in the times, I think it was the, was it the black plague? I can't remember, but it was one of the times where there was a plague going on and he sat down and he developed calculus to
01:04:30
Speaker
be able to create his theory of gravity. What a G. Who, who does that, right? Yeah. Yeah. What a G. I mean, obviously, like, you know, he wasn't right about everything, but it was his mysticism that created, you know, the curiosity, which then created the science. And now that science is objective truth baked into society, which is beautiful. And I know, you know, whenever we first like had an email exchange, you wanted to talk about mysticism.
01:05:00
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and, you know, science, how they come together. I had to think about that throughout my entire 17 day trip to Alaska. And I'm like, yeah, Sir Isaac Newton. Let's talk about him. Let's just talk about how mysticism becomes science. It does. We have to be creative. You don't see a bonobo trying to understand gravity, right? Because they don't have the capabilities of creating fiction. So it wasn't for that.
01:05:30
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be doing that we would still be scavenging in fields or possibly extinct because that's no we were out fictionizing and being able to create social groups better than any other hominid species. Hence why we're the only ones left because biologically the way that we progress from bipedalism was stupid.
01:05:52
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That's why they went extinct, right? And that's why homo sapiens are here today, is because we have the ability to create fiction, have mysticism, create tools which better helps others, our survival.
01:06:05
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Yeah, man, it really does seem to me that mysticism and science are two sides of the same coin. At one point in my life, I was a staunch atheist. I thought science is the only way. Anything else is just conjecture, imagination, and story.
01:06:23
Speaker
And then psychedelics came into my life and spirituality came into my life. And it just, it blew apart my notion of what mysticism could possibly be. And then what happened in my mind was sort of like a marriage between the two. And for me, you know, it has raised my curiosity. It's allowed me to, you know, absorb all types of information and come to conclusions that may not even be possible, but I'm just, I'm open to all of it, man. And, um,
01:06:52
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We've hit just about an hour here. Yeah. And, uh, man, I'm so appreciative of your time. Uh, you've, you've helped me to navigate this, uh, this realm that I'm trying to get through, um, a lot more accurately. And I appreciate that, man. Yeah, I'm glad this was fun. I mean, I, I just enjoy when people ask me questions. That's one thing that I like, I beg people to do whenever we're like, whenever I'm trying to create, you know, steam content, just ask me questions like that.
01:07:22
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That makes me happy. I love engagement with people and, you know, possibly not only me explaining something to them, but also trying to understand how other people are perceiving reality. So maybe I can shift my ideology on certain things because obviously I'm not a know-it-all, right? Like I love the interaction.
01:07:44
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between it because it just bolsters my, uh, I guess it bolsters my knowledge in my experience in life. So I love it. I love what I do. And, uh, I'm happy to come on and talk to you, Josh. It's been great. Well, I appreciate you, man. Uh, before we, uh, before we head out here, is there anything you'd like to promote plug? Hmm. Yeah. I mean, so there's one thing that I'm trying to do with a good friend of mine.
01:08:11
Speaker
He, so we started like a clothing line and where we're trying to, obviously like money's always the problem, right? Where you're trying to make, we're trying to go into a sustainable clothing line that envelops education, sustainability, and fashion. And one thing that you know about the fashion industry is it's just God awful for the environment. I mean, obviously like fast fashions, God awful.
01:08:38
Speaker
thrift, first of all, thrift you can, but, uh, we, we started something called eco light where we're taking right now, organic materials. We're going to switch to reusing organic materials or just, or just material, like even just, um, trying to flip clothing into.
01:08:56
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recycled clothing into
Sustainable Fashion Line and Conclusion
01:08:58
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something new and fashionable where you have like a symbol on a shirt, right? Say like we have like a saving the bees shirt and there's a QR code on the sleeve that can take you right to a research blog that I wrote myself and had peer reviewed by other people and you can learn about the topic and get engaged, have an understanding of what's going on in reality and then also having
01:09:24
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some specific call to actions that make sense to the individual. So it's fashion, it's learning, and it's sustainability. Obviously, sustainability is something that you have to work towards. Sustainability is not something that's completely set from day one. So we have a lot of goals that we would like to make, but I try to plug that as much as possible over my podcast because, you know, people love fashion.
01:09:46
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But yeah, yeah, definitely. And then also if you want to listen to my podcast, I try to have different people on every two weeks where we discuss an interesting topic and it gives you kind of a light of what they're doing and just a new and interesting and applicable science that helps propel society. So yeah. Beautiful, man. Well, thank you so much for coming on and thank you for all the work that you do. Thanks, Josh. I appreciate it.
01:10:14
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I'd be interested to have you on or even come back onto this podcast sometime. So it was fun for sure. Yeah, I'd love to come on yours and I'd love to have you back. So sure. All right. Thanks, Josh.
01:12:55
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