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26: Don't Blame Your Moms
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🍌🍌🍌 The Banananing is here 🍌🍌🍌
For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- 🫰 It’s been a Character Mastery week in Snap
- It’s Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross ⚡ don’t call him Shirley
- Just a birb & his buds (🪶 Redwing 👑 Baron Zemo 😈 Loki)
- ⛏️ Datamining cards from the Patch
- Are the OTA nerfs doomed to fail? 🤭
- Secret Homework 🔍 Investigating Suspected Fun
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Featured decks:
- Ben - Joaquin Interest
- PhillipJWoodward - Bulks of Hulks
- Lauren - Da New Clean-Up Crew
- Lauren - Ravishing Rave
- Ben - Secret Heimwork
- Rie - Lashing Out
Credits:
- Cover art by Lauren
- Snap On This!! Theme by Ben
- YouTube thumbnail by Lauren’s kid, Reggi
Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap / Character Mastery
- 0:24:54 New Card: Thaddeus 'Thunderbolt' Ross
- 0:36:07 Next Week's Spotlight: Redwing, Baron Zemo, Loki
- 0:40:45 Patch Discussion
- 0:42:10 Datamines
- 1:41:05 OTA Discussion
- 1:49:46 Secret Homework: Unfamiliar Fun
- 2:06:09 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 2:08:17 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
Introduction and Updates
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Episode 26 of Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. I'm your host, Lauren Whatevs, two other hosts here. ah We're going to throw it over to Ben first because it's an even-robered episode. So, Ben, how is your weekend Snap and keep it snappy?
Ben's Infinite Rank Achievement
00:00:21
Speaker
Well, my weekend in s snap, and I'm ready to keep it snappy as always. um I gotta say, it was pretty decent, pretty decent. i I think I hit infinite shortly after we recorded last week, and they spat me out at a nice high rank. Hashtag Podgoals is mine to lose this month.
00:00:42
Speaker
ah so I just need to keep up with that. Been playing the deck from the deck in the square that I put out with last week's episode. I don't always put them out every week, but I had a had a deck that I liked last week and I talked about it, so I put it in the square.
Snap Judgments League Experiences
00:00:59
Speaker
um It's been doing so well for me that I've played it in not one, but two of my snap judgments league matches, and it worked pretty well for me.
00:01:09
Speaker
um having a great time in the Snap Judgments League. I faced one of our listeners and they were the most fun and the most sporting and very cool and they know who they are. I'm not going to put them on blast, but yeah, ah it was a great time. um ah Yeah, so that's that's been going
Current Deck Insights
00:01:30
Speaker
well. I'm loving that Scream Deck that I mentioned. I have other decks that I've built in the past week, but They are arguably part of my secret homework. I will say that I did get around to playing both of the cards that I had not played last week, Sam Wilson and Joaquin Torres. um I guess I can talk about the Joaquin list. It's a fairly straightforward bouncity thing. I ended up, the 12 cards I like there were the Hood, Silver Sable, Iceman.
00:02:03
Speaker
Niko Minoru, Toxen, Falcon, Grandmaster, Agent Venom, Sage, Hit Monkey, Joaquin Torres-Falcon, and Beast. So those those are 12 cards and they do bounce stuff. Sounds solid. Yeah. How did you like Joaquin specifically?
00:02:24
Speaker
Uh, not currently a card that anyone strictly needs to own. Like you could make an equally or, you know, like situationally as good. Like sometimes Joaquin is the card that will like put you over the top or whatever.
00:02:43
Speaker
There will be games that you win because Joaquin was there that you would have lost because Joaquin wasn't there. But you don't need Joaquin to build a good bounce deck or a good any other kind of deck really. Joaquin is... As we'll discuss in a moment, in a similar spot I would say to Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross. An interesting card that I would rather own than not own, but that like... If your collection is in a less developed place, maybe this is not your first stop unless you have particularly, you know, thought out, like, yeah, like, if you got, if you got ideas, if you got some things you want to try, then yeah. Well, that's because it's always true. That's true. Yes. If you, if you really want something, you should get it.
00:03:41
Speaker
set your heart free. I don't know. But other than that, my weekend snap, I've been living with regret.
Reflections and Financial Advice
00:03:47
Speaker
I got something wrong during last week's Secret Homework. Nightmare's Realm is the dream dimension. That's right. The obnoxious location that makes things expensive on turn five. It's already in the game. I called it the nightmare dimension like an absolute Just I don't know. Yeah, like like a doofus. I'll say it like a doofus. I got it wrong. um Other than that, token Tuesday, we got a good one coming up, although there are also some good. There's at least one good gold variant or gold bundle rather that I'm aware of ah coming up. So I mean, if you've got like a ton of gold, maybe don't buy the nice token Tuesday.
00:04:23
Speaker
I don't know. That's up to you. You know your finances. I'm probably just going to get the nice token Tuesday because I like the consistency and the predictability of getting the nice token Tuesday every other week or so.
Rhee's Snap Weekend and Character Mastery
00:04:35
Speaker
And that's been my weekend snap.
00:04:38
Speaker
Great. I don't know if you're talking about the anti-venom bundle. It is very good if you don't have anti-venom. It's like 5,000 gold and you get 3,000 credits, 3,000 tokens. This is about your situation and also how you feel about acquiring cards that you don't have the base art version of. I kind of hate that as a method of card acquisition because you are just picking the pocket of your future self, which is a thing I try not to do.
00:05:02
Speaker
um But yeah, it's up to you. It's ah it's one path, and I mean, anti-venom's pretty cool. I don't have anti-venom. That's like why I was like looking at it, thinking about it. What are my priorities? I don't know. I don't know. I i don't think I'm gonna get that bundle, though. I'll i'll get anti-venom when I get anti-venom. Dang it. Probably with tokens. When I really need him. Who knows? All right, great. And we'll go to our other host, Rhee.
Character Mastery Feature Discussion
00:05:29
Speaker
How was your weekend, in Snap? And keep it snappy.
00:05:32
Speaker
Oh my God, okay. So um if you listened to our outro last week, you know, is that my biannual board game retreat. So it was lighter and snap than normal for me. I did get my, ah get infinite, which I usually just try to take care of week one, but it was boring because it was, I just finished it out with meek-ocalypse because I could just and ah ride a vampire into victory.
00:06:00
Speaker
in my sleep. So, um, I, so I came back. I kind of was like gone. I wasn't thinking as much about Snap. I was just doing missions and whatever. And I came on and was like, every character master is here. My character master. I'm like, And I opened it, I opened it up and it reminded me like their little like exciting like screen of like seeing the character level up and all the rewards. They were trying
Card Split Effects Critique
00:06:35
Speaker
to recapture that magic for sure. I also picked up on that with the voice line. Mastery and all that stuff. Yeah. It's very frame break, you know? Yeah.
00:06:47
Speaker
So seeing it, it reminded me of when I first spell erratic fan fiction in study hall in the library. Because it was like, what? Oh my god. And And why? And it was really exciting.
00:07:06
Speaker
And then, like, be fun for you to have to click through every single character that you own. ah Which most of us that play the game a lot will do in succession because we just, you know. Get it out of the way.
00:07:27
Speaker
Yeah. And it's just like it was so it became so uninteresting. It was like now it was like early days of the Internet versus like now when you just like just let me order my sadness tacos without like anime hentai game at like hardcore porn like right in my face. It's like this is too much second. I didn't need all this. No, thank you. Did either of you time it or keep track?
00:07:58
Speaker
of how long it took for it to go through every character. From the time that I started paying attention, it took 10 minutes, but I only started paying attention after it became clear that I should pay attention to how long this was taking me.
00:08:12
Speaker
I believe you, because I kept going back to check, and I would still say 99 plus. And I was like, no, surely we are under 100. Surely. I'm not saying like you maybe you could speed run it. Like if you were a little more business like about it than I was, maybe I was dawdling, smelling some roses, dilly dallying and shilly shallying. I don't know. But I think I was honestly like pretty point A to point B about it. And it took a very long time.
00:08:39
Speaker
Right? Me too. At first I was looking and I'm like, ooh, like new flares, new finishes. And now it's just like, you know, just a generation has been traumatized too
Card Flares and Aesthetic Discussions
00:08:50
Speaker
much. It's too much. And now I'll never see an ink split again. Exciting stuff.
00:08:58
Speaker
Um, no, it is, it is cool to see new things. I've already faced many, many discard decks of all rays and destroy decks of all rays. Usually it's the rays. I assume I haven't checked, but I'm assuming because you get the rays early in master. So they're available for all the characters.
00:09:16
Speaker
Yeah, they're the most common flair. They're the most common new flair, I think. They're at the most common tier. And so they take up like six out of the eight spots in the most common. Whenever you split something, you have a very high chance of getting raise. What I'm trying to say. But you're right. They're also low level. So yeah, like any character you've got some mastery on, good chance you got raise.
00:09:38
Speaker
Yeah, but it makes me feel like OG cool though, right? Cause it's like, oh, all the new kids running around with their all raised decks. Look at my, like your discard versus my discard. Look at everything I gold and inked like with crackle. So impressive looking. I'm just like, you know, just look upon my wealth of splits. I mean, like I love that my existing splits will become status symbols or whatever, but also like, is this an improve? I don't know.
00:10:13
Speaker
I think that a lot of the the new stuff looks, and this is a matter of personal taste. I think a lot of it looks tacky. um If you're into it, I don't mean to yuck your yum or whatevs. I know that a lot of people, I don't know about a lot of people, I know that a few people are big fans of this new feature and their feelings are valid.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah, I saw a lot of people having fun with it, so I agree. like I don't want to shit on that. And I also don't want to shit on how much work went into this feature, especially after like it was canceled and they brought it back specifically because of player demand. like Those are great things.
00:10:55
Speaker
but Well, they brought it back specifically because of player demand, but like you understand that like that the thing they've delivered is good for them, right? like They want to make it harder to get desirable splits so that you throw more money. This wasn't some big favor to the players. They're just squeezing more money out of us. No, it's not prism or foil. It's more ways to make your deck look unique.
00:11:18
Speaker
You know what I mean? Whereas before it was like you basically you were just seeing a demonstration of length of game time or whatever by seeing someone's all ink or all gold crackle. And I think this is how many variants they've purchased themselves a much more meaningful thing to measure. Definitely lead to TTP, but like also is worthwhile.
Game Economy and Engagement
00:11:46
Speaker
I, yeah, I personally think almost all of them are ugly. I've seen, i I've noticed, and I'm sure it's partially because it's a brand new feature. So first of all, it's exciting and people are playing with it. And second of all, people haven't done that many splits yet, but almost every like custom card I'm seeing with new stuff is using either just finish or just flair, not a combo. I'm very curious to see how that changes over time. Like once people are actually doing splits and getting combos,
00:12:15
Speaker
Are there combos that they like or are they still gonna be sticking with just finish or flare? Like, that's something I'm interested in. um There are some some things that I think are cool. There's like a storm flare and a storm finish and makes it look like a stormy sky. like I have Valkyrie flying on Aragorn, her Pegasus, and like making it look like you know a stormy sky instead of a beautiful the pink sunset is like kind of interesting. But like the chances of getting storm flare and storm finish are
00:12:47
Speaker
is super low. There's like, there's 1215 split combos now. Oh, I was so surprised to see Storm was like my most character mastery. I'm like, oh, I guess just give a million variants for Storm. Oh, we have a million Storm variants from season passes. Cool, Thor, Iron Man. I mean, I think, isn't the rarity of the variant, doesn't that have something to do with the mastery experience? And we all have that, we have the hero music video Storm. Ultimate. Yeah, exactly. That's my only ultimate. Oh, true, true. Also that- That's probably why it's so high.
00:13:24
Speaker
Storm is kind of a queen of variants. Oh, no, for sure. She's been on the top of all those lists, Storm. Just great everything. Storm's the best. I'll go on the record. I'm a Storm fan. Yeah, it's also event, conquest, and season pass variants are like at the second highest tier of XP. okay So yeah, the cards who have tons of those, they don't just have tons of variants, they have tons of you know, variants worth 125 XP. So yeah, I think everybody had those cards near the top. um I don't know. It's... I agree. It's nice to mix up Rainbow Foil and Prism. It's nice to mix up, you know, Glimmer and and Tone Flare. But I think most of the new finishes and flares are at that level. And we got very few, if any, at the level of Ink Golden Crackle. And I'm trying to be subjective, or I'm trying to be...
Internet Culture Impact on Game Behavior
00:14:18
Speaker
It is subjective. I'm trying to be, I don't know, I'm trying to realize that there's like a recency bias or like, a you know, I've had months and months or years of thinking that those are like the premium split effects, right? So I'm trying to, I guess it is subjectively objective. I don't know. It looks terrible though, in my opinion, on so many cards. So yeah it's just like the rarity.
00:14:44
Speaker
Well, and I think color is so much more interesting than ink. And even though the ink effect is cool and it's impressive when you see somebody with a fully inked deck, I personally- No, something is definitely lost. I totally get it. I know I'm ruining the cards by making them all black and white. Yeah. I'm i'm quite aware that making it monochrome is, ah yeah, i'm I'm a monster. I mean, it's a great look on some cards and it's like, it can be really cool with, you know, like white crackle or whatever, right? Like there are some beautiful splits out there, but generally speaking, base finish is my favorite.
00:15:13
Speaker
and yeah And still, I don't think that the new finishes, for the most part, compare with ink and gold finish. like There are some that are cool. The gold metallic is kind of cool. ah Black prism's all right on the right card. like There are some that I like. But mostly, I just think they're junky. And I don't know, fire and water, they don't look very high quality. I'm like, why how many characters do I want a fire background on?
00:15:44
Speaker
or a water background, like, or let's talk about the flare. Like there's like snowflake flare. Like how many characters is that relevant for? I just. Yeah. and Or the low hanging fruit bananas that are fucking everywhere. The banana. name They're way too common. All for a. Bananas, to be honest.
00:16:10
Speaker
And like, you know, it's going to be almost exclusively like fucking racist creeps, right? Like using using these effects. Like I don't know about almost exclusively. I've seen concerns that people are going to use bananas on black characters.
00:16:28
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Think about the kind of people that we run into with the the title combinations with the names and the names or for alliance names. We've all seen some gross stuff, right?
00:16:43
Speaker
Yeah, like i i even that extremism yeah i mean it's a problem. But even if we ignore a problem like that, which we shouldn't just brush off a problem like that, like second dinner should have thought about this, I saw people express this concern when bananas were very first teased. Like, really is nobody over there paying attention? I just like, how many cards do you want bananas on besides hit monkey?
00:17:11
Speaker
like Yeah, I just I don't I just I had the thought the other day when I was splitting my collection I split in nine Valkyries and like two of them had bananas and a bunch of them had raised and I was like Would I want to show this to somebody maybe like look at this cool new card I got or even look at this game. I'm playing. I love this game like They just made so much less cool being directly punished earlier for saying, give the players more tools to express themselves with. And it's like, no, but why is the internet so horrible? Yeah, we've we've met the players. I mean, but a lot of them are cool people. No, a lot of them are cool people. It's my fellow co-hosts. It's true.
00:17:56
Speaker
And nice also our listeners. Oh, my gosh. We got the best listeners in the biz. It's not just the thing I say. It's a firmly held belief. OK. Anyway, sorry. Character mastery ruined.
00:18:12
Speaker
and i'm I'm very interested to see what happens with it, right? like I think a lot of the initial backlash is just that like it's a big change, and people hate change. Gamers hate change. like But I don't know.
Character Mastery Rewards Wishes
00:18:26
Speaker
Do we see it? Do we see things reworked in the next year? I i hope so. ah No. i improve the thing I think that the whales are going to still whale hard, split in a million times. I think this will be a huge success for a second dinner or whoever. whoever yeah like You know what? I've decided. I don't know. i've been i've been This has been bouncing around in my skull for a while. I'm like, I don't know. i What if we can still blame everything on Nuverse? It's so much fun to blame everything on Nuverse, right? So I'm debuting my new acronym here. It's M-O-M-S. Don't blame your moms. Moms are trying hard and doing their best. But you can blame M-O-M-S, makers of Marvel's Snap, the completely anonymized and fucking vegified, like, ah
00:19:19
Speaker
I don't know who's responsible for this problem with our game, but I'm blaming it on the makers of Marvel Snap. So yeah, I'm sure this will make the makers of Marvel Snap lots of money because the whales will split hard now that they've diluted the split pool and made it impossible to get what you want, like without an extreme expenditure. And that's what they'll do. And yeah, it it's going to be a triumph fiscally or whatever.
00:19:46
Speaker
Okay, before we go past character mastery, did did either of you have anybody at level 30? No. No. I had like Storm at 22. Yeah, Storm being my highest is telling me not having that.
00:20:03
Speaker
I had Falc at 30. I planned for that. i I had nine splits ready to go and I got level 30 on like the seventh split. I am loving my new reaction set. She's cute. I was going to go for Captain Marvel also, but her reaction set, she's wearing the like the red like skin type mask and I just, I don't like how it looks. So, so I'm giving up on Captain Marvel.
00:20:25
Speaker
but I don't know if I'll chase any others. like That's another thing that's like kind of weird, like level 30, like the reaction set's a cool prize, but you can only use one at a time. And the Golden Diamonds are tacky.
00:20:40
Speaker
What'd you say, Re? Oh, I just said I don't do a lot of moding, so my my like my drive to get to level 30, so that's the only way. I'm like, what kind of a sense? Greatly reduced. No, thank you.
00:20:53
Speaker
I would love to see some other things on there. Like I've seen ideas like a second or third custom card being things that you unlock along the way. Oh, that'd be sick. I also saw like a token to like choose a split and it's like, you know, I can see that being something they would want to do, but also like. But why wouldn't they want to do it?
00:21:19
Speaker
Like, why wouldn't, like, give out a custom split token? No, no. The way they don't want to do that is because they never want to give you a way to directly pay for the thing you want. That's why boosted. I know. They want you to have to pay over and over again for a chance to get the thing you want.
00:21:41
Speaker
I still think they should and could, and it would be a great look for them, but they're not interested in what would be a great look for them. I don't know. Oh my gosh. I'm so depressed. Can we move? Absolutely. That's enough character mastery. Is there anything else you wanted to talk about in your week? No.
00:22:01
Speaker
yeah i i will Wish I had thought of a cool way to transition to you, Lauren. Oh, it's all good. How about this? I also would have liked to talk about character mastery. So it's a perfectly appropriate place to to fit that conversation. um I got Joaquin Torres with tokens kind of last second. I did get i did get it in time to get the ah weekend mission tokens. um He's fine. Mostly I got him because I just like cards that do silly things. And I'm like, someday I could see this card being used in the clip. like
00:22:33
Speaker
used for some fun solution though. I do also love the hood and Nika. there's yeah um I had fun. i I don't know. I don't have a lot to say about Joaquin. I also um just barely like today or yesterday picked up Ajax with tokens. I've had him pinned forever and I don't know. Oh, you got Ajax? Yeah, haven't played with him. Yeah, even even though I like affliction. um But I saw friends talking about um Sanctum Showdown, and somebody mentioned that speed would be good. And I was like, speed has been in a lot of decks lately, and I don't have speed. Do I do i unpin Ajax and let it switch over to speed? And I was like, you know what? Let's just get Ajax. like He's not in the data mines. It's coming anytime soon. like
00:23:22
Speaker
pull the trigger on him. So I'm going to let that go to speed and then leave speed pinned for an indeterminate amount of time. But speed is coming, according to the date of mine's coming in, like, April. OK. I knocked out my infinite run pretty quickly and easily compared to last month. And I know there's been, like, all this talk about, like, are bots rarer, or are they getting harder, or whatever? But I saw a lot of bots. I also saw a ton of bots, just a lot.
00:23:51
Speaker
Yeah. And I don't know if it's because of how early I did my run. Like that's a trend I've noticed in the past is like the first few days, there's a lot more bots than there are. Even the second half of the first week. And I think it's just cause they're trying to you know get people to infinite where there's, you know, an infinite, you can only match with other players in infinite.
Mid-Tier Decks and Circe Valkyrie Insight
00:24:09
Speaker
So they need people there in order to, you know, for that matchmaking, I don't know. Um, and you know, uh, they need to inject lots of cubes into the economy early on. Yeah.
00:24:20
Speaker
I've been continuing to play my silly, um ah maybe not so silly, Circe Valkyrie deck. I mean, Chase got like ah an Infinity Ticket with it. um I've seen a lot of people playing it actually and having fun with it. andgan So ah it is an extremely fun deck. I still think it's probably like mid-tier on goodness, but it it is really like super fun. We love mid-tier fun decks. We love that deck.
00:24:53
Speaker
Okay, let's move on to Thaddeus Thunderbolt. Ross briefly mentioned. Did you get him? And what do you think? And I should read off his ability.
Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross Analysis
00:25:05
Speaker
What do they call him? They don't always call him Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, do they? Is it Thunderbolt Ross? I hope. Thunderbolt Ross.
00:25:12
Speaker
Yes, but it would be amazing if he insisted on the full every time. Okay. ah Okay. He's a 2-2. When your opponent ends a turn with unspent energy, draw a card with 10 or more power. Take it away, one of you. Go first, then. Did either of you get Thaddeus Thunderbolt draws? Yes. I did not.
00:25:38
Speaker
Oh, for a second, I thought we all did. Lauren, you you really... do Your face was was saying, yes, I absolutely got Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, and then your words disappointed me. Okay. Well, I got Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross.
00:25:53
Speaker
um i yeah I think maybe it's just the absurd like resource wealth going making me like lose my my judgment and whatever. Making bad decisions, huh? No, but like this is an interesting card. i like I come from other card games where drawing cards is more common and more exciting and just like a thing that we all love to do all the time.
00:26:20
Speaker
So like habitually, i'm I'm just like I'm trained to think that like drawing cards, whoa, even though, you know, like Marvel Snap is a very different game with like different stuff that you need to focus on doing. I mean, drawing cards is always great. Drawing cards will never not be good, but. um Yeah, this is like a very soft draw. Like your opponent has to let the thing happen and then you have to have the right cards. And I'm i'm not saying this is not a good card. This is like sort of that if ideas is fine, but like.
00:26:56
Speaker
I've seen him in a lot of Surtur decks that I didn't think he was actually making better. um that That's what I've been seeing when I play against Thaddeus Ross. I played Thaddeus Ross in my Secret Homework deck that I can't go into too much detail about right now. But he does the thing. He does draw the cards. That's pretty cool. Again, I did find myself maybe wishing that I was playing something else on two.
00:27:22
Speaker
on the games when I was playing Thaddeus on 2. There were more games than I would have expected where it was I found myself playing Thaddeus on 3 or 4 to draw a card.
00:27:36
Speaker
and ah you know yeah It's a cool card. I'm sure there will be like a combo deck that like really needs Thaddeus Ross to like dig the stuff out. um and like That's what he does sort of in Scar decks. He digs Scar out. but yeah I could see him having more homes in the future, but this is a completely inessential very Joaquin Torres card. you know like if if you love If you like the cut of his jib, pull the trig.
00:28:07
Speaker
Uh, don't, don't feel like you are missing out on a ton of fun or a ton of practicality if you say no to this moustachioed man. That's my, that's my Thunderbolt Ross thoughts.
00:28:24
Speaker
Oh my god, so coming into this week, I did not know for sure if I was going to get him, but I was like, I was high on him.
Variant Pursuit and Personal Spending
00:28:31
Speaker
It was late at night. I was looking at that nebula variant, and I have like a lot of nebula variants that are good, but I love nebula. I just played her at my deck, my nebula deck for Marvel champions. And I was like, surely, surely I will just roll this, and I'll one key it in numbers. Maybe we get ourselves a nebula.
00:28:50
Speaker
And hopefully we avoid the blink, because I have magic carpet blink, which will be superior to other blinks in the past and future. So I rolled and I took my four keys. I took his little green. I don't know how much I'm going to end up playing, to be honest. in the At least you got the nebula. It is a fabulous nebula. Oh, it's so good. I also got the nebula. Ink with green crackle. I am looking at my split right now. It is so glorious.
00:29:18
Speaker
It's hard to be mad, because also, okay, because I was looking, I was looking last night and I was like, re you need to play some fucking Ross food in the podcast. You got him. Be able to talk about him. So I'm looking at like, you know, Chibi, Rian Gonzalez, I assume it looks like your style, Chibi in the store. And I'm like, well, this will help. And was like, no, that doesn't count, buying a very,
00:29:47
Speaker
So we did end up with the variant though. I did make it way more fun to play. Did you buy it before you played him? Yeah. I scrimped my gold so much. I scrimped so hard. And then one day we just like, you we just, I don't know. We were too good for too long. a fifth and A fifth of a card or something. I don't know. This is so funny looking with little face. 1,500 gold is a fifth of a series five card in the way that I think of it with tokens and stuff.
00:30:23
Speaker
I don't know. 1,200 gold is, yeah, it's fine. I don't know. It's fine. It's worth it. I got to play it. It was so fun playing. I saw the same variant, and I also thought, like, well, I can't afford, you know, like, I've got a lot of resources. And this is a very good variant. Like, the thoughts, it strolled across my mind. I get it.
00:30:46
Speaker
But I chased my happiness, Ben. Yes, you did. Okay. So I. Unlikely. didn't have time to put together my own deck. So I went and grabbed, and I think this might be our friend. There's some careless grabbing going on. And this is our friend, Philip ah J. Woodward's deck. And I feel like it is modeled on our also friend of the podcast, Chase's old, you know, big green giant's deck, right? Feels familiar to that deck. It's like many iterations of that deck, huh?
00:31:24
Speaker
Oh, I was just, think toxic green giants, I think is the name of the deck. I could be wrong. Yeah, spread it to Chase, toxic green giants. But he's made lots of iterations and they're not always toxic, but they're always green and they're always giant, right? So it's it's an evolving deck, of course. Anyway, so this was like a fun way. Okay, because here's the thing, I get why people put it in certain decks and stuff, but it's like,
00:31:54
Speaker
You know, did you need you need to draw a bunch more cards there? But here, it's paired with the Hulks. So like, you're really capitalist. And with High Evo, right, with Hulk, you're really capitalizing on Thaddeus's ability, right, to to get the red Hulk up and stuff. So it's kind of like you're not just, it's not just about drawing cards. It's like synergistic with these specific cards.
00:32:23
Speaker
And this is such a fun, okay, I find this really fun because Hazmat's in it with no loot cage or anything like that. Hazmat's in for Abomination because it's a high evo deck, but the idea is you're just playing some big, giant old cards. So you get your cheap Hazmat, and early on, if you've got cards out, it's just like Sunspot from the energy soak, Nebula, because she's still great.
00:32:51
Speaker
Misty Knight, who's going to buff your other cards, so you don't have an Enthadious Magic Moon Girl. So you don't have a lot of early cards out, and people are filling stuff up. People are putting out those arrows. They're like, you know, doing all this. I played this deck against a balanced deck, and I was always like, how can I tie my hats back to get the max?
00:33:15
Speaker
you know, non-sensory of their stuff, um just to make them unhappy. But um I think I've already mentioned, so Red Hulk, Hulk, She-Hulk are in the deck. Magic, I had speculated I like you know ras could replace magic but i was wrong there you're united in victory together if you're trying to skip energy if you're trying to get your opponent to skip energy.
00:33:47
Speaker
You wanna, you want that extra turn. Make it a 7 turn game is the way to do it for sure. Yes. Especially if you're thinking, if you're like doubling up a She-Hulk to like skip a turn and soak some energy into Sunspot. And it was really
High Synergy Deck Experience
00:34:00
Speaker
fun. I haven't played, um, you know, I haven't, I haven't played the style of a deck in a while and I almost never play has met.
00:34:11
Speaker
and uh you know this nebula marion deserves all the love so anyway it was a fun it was a really it was a really fun uh deck to play around with and i beat i beat a bounce deck for uh a gold ticket with it i remembered one more exciting point in thaddeus thunderbolt ross's favor and that is his very fun animation A little crate gets airdropped in containing your big card. It reminds me very much of supply drops in the two-dimensional
00:34:47
Speaker
tactics, whatever ah game of worms. I don't know if y'all ever played any of those games. Played a lot of worms, yeah. Things would fall from the sky, potent, very silly weaponry, and you'd be like, well, I better make it over to that crate that fell out of the sky. It might be a sheep in there or some shit. Holy hand grenade. Perhaps a banana bomb to really tie everything all the way together.
00:35:14
Speaker
Yeah. All right. So yeah, I just love this animation. It's very fun. Reminds me of worms. Yeah. I think, uh, you know, it's been two days, but from like the rhetoric I've seen and and just the reception and all that, I think I was probably too high on him. He's probably ah a three out of four, not a four out of four, like a good card, but not a huge upgrade and very situational, which I did at least.
00:35:38
Speaker
you know, assume that. I ah always assumed he was going to be quite niche. Anyway. I took a bit of a flyer or whatever. I think I'm using that term right on ah on the deck in a square for last week's episode. I was like, well, I think Thaddeus is going to be bad. So I described him as bad as Blunderbolt washed on the deck in a square. And I was like, well, ah one one out of three of us thinks this is true. And so I'm just going to go ahead with it. I thought it was more compelling, you know?
Redwing Card Expectations
00:36:07
Speaker
Alright, next week's card, Redwing, a 3-3. The first time this moves, add a card from your hand to the old location. I will say there was recently a team answer from Glenn where he talked about this design being really popular in testing with the team. And so they moved it up to Redwing. With old, ah what's the, no, it it was old Redwing. Yeah, that's right. It made it sound like it was a different card that had this ability and they moved it up to Redwing because the team was loving this ability so much.
00:36:41
Speaker
Why are they loving this ability so much? I have no idea. ah Maybe it's just a fun card, kind of like how Cersei, just that like the randomness is fun. That's so validating, because I'm pretty convinced I'm going to get it. And it's like, why? I don't really play move decks. No, it's OK. But it's my Joaquin and Taurus Falcon. It's like, there's something about this card. It's another Emperor Hulkling, which I do not regret. I just love that it's a bird.
00:37:09
Speaker
a Yeah, right? Are you passing on it, Ben? No, I'm going to get the card for sure. Are you kidding? It's like, it does an interesting thing. It says move on it. Honestly, I just get all the interesting cards, even the ones that don't say move on them. But if they say move on them, I have to get them. You have to. Yeah, this card does, however, from a game-winning sort of quality standpoint, I don't have high expectations or even hopes for this one. We'll have a reason.
00:37:42
Speaker
perhaps kind of kind of a stinker. like All the the ways in which it... Yeah, I just think it's gonna be clunky as all get out. Okay, but then we'll finally have a reason to play Aranya again. I missed her. No, we still have reasons to play Aranya, I promise. No, not for fun though. i My secret homework check is definitely fun. And I play Aranya in there.
00:38:11
Speaker
Okay, I will have a reason to play around you again. hey I Plus, there's gonna be a ton of cute variants. Yeah, I think I'm gonna get Red Wing just because I think it's a it's a cool character and yeah, maybe the ability will turn out to be something cool.
00:38:27
Speaker
I was very low on it ah when we evaluated cards, and i I'm still pretty low on it. I don't um i don't get it, but um'm um I'm here for fun. The Spotlight friends are Baron Zemo and Loki. Baron Zemo's both Season Pass cards, previously.
00:38:47
Speaker
ah Yeah, Baron Zemo is critical in mill and is also just a good tempo card, which might be something worth considering if you are interested in Sanctum Showdown. symptom ah You know, tempo cards or are going to be great there. 3-5 is a good stat line and like... Yeah, if you're like a low collection level player and you are just looking for cards that are good, like in a vacuum or like that would be good and Yeah, I'm always looking at cards and being like, that would be really great and limited. Baron Zemo would be really great and limited and is really great if you have a limited collection. So yeah, get him. That's what I think. Yeah. Loki's super fun and is still good. It's certainly fallen from grace from when he spent, what, six months as the best part of the game. This is not the time to acquire Loki. If you don't have Loki yet, keep waiting. He's going to drop C3. He's very narrow in utility.
00:39:44
Speaker
Yeah, i I think you are... or is he is he serious five now He's definitely dropping when they do the thing. He's so narrow in usage. I don't fear him like I once did.
00:39:57
Speaker
Yeah, not at all. his best days like Just try and discard your next few pickups better than me. and Yeah, I mean, like Arsham can't play him on one anymore. Right. He doesn't give you a card draw. I'm this old Arsham. Like, look, he's still very cool. It's something you can do with your King Atrey, but.
00:40:20
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I don't know how how good he is anymore. Yeah, I think if they if like, you know, the argument could be made. Loki is a very popular character. They're not going to let Loki stay bad. I think that makes a lot of sense. But you know what? i I bet they're just going to make a different version of Loki. If they want Loki to be good in the future, they'll sell you a second Loki. So don't like this one. Yeah, exactly.
00:40:45
Speaker
All right, moving on. There was a patch on Tuesday. It came with Character Mastery that we already talked about.
Patch Updates and Album Favoriting
00:40:53
Speaker
um You can favorite albums now. I favorited the like four I'm chasing, and it makes it so that when those variants show up in your shop, instead of having the little book icon, they have a little star icon. I've had five in the last three days. So I don't know if they changed the algorithm. I don't know if they're looking at my favorites, or if I've just been very lucky.
00:41:11
Speaker
um I could believe either thing. i i'd I'd assume coincidence until like a better pattern can be established. Yeah, di know it's ah it's a very small dataset, but I mean like I've been looking for ah the baby cards for forever. I can't remember the last time one showed up and then I got, you know, baby night crawler. Who knows? I should do that. then Yeah. Oh my gosh. I think it's mostly just like makes it really clear to scan your shop for the stars and also like have some discipline like I'm not going to buy the ones that don't have stars. You know, unless it's smart or I love. Um, okay. Yeah. Just today I bought, uh, who was it? Um, good question. I think it was, uh, what's the album that gives you Negasonic? Is it Flaviano?
00:41:58
Speaker
Yeah, that was Flaviano. I bought Flaviano Tribunal today, spent 1,200 gold, and I got like 3,000 tokens out of it. So you know, many good trade-off. However many tokens you get. All right. and The other thing, of course, data mines. Well, in the patch notes and in the data mines, we learned more about the Sanctum Showdown mode. I think we'll wait to talk about that more when it's closer.
00:42:23
Speaker
Um, but we also got updates on March cards and April cards and we're going to talk about those. Um, okay. First up, Agamotto this season pass next month for 1 million BC, uh, a five 10 now at the start of the game shuffles. I can't remember what the word is now. It's like arcane arts into your deck, four of them. Um,
00:42:50
Speaker
Oh, there it is. Shuffle four ancient arcana into your deck. Okay. And then we got like two cards with a bunch of tokens. And I think that they are hard to understand yeah through spoken content. Like, I don't know. I just don't follow them the same way when I hear other people people talk about them. So I'm sorry if if that affects you too, but here here are the four arcane arts.
00:43:16
Speaker
There's a 3-0 Bolts of Dolfak. Looks like I'm an Agamotto shooting blue lasers. On reveal, next turn you get plus four energy.
00:43:28
Speaker
banish this. So we're getting, ah you know, cards that we're getting a third zone after a destroyed and discarded. In fact, you can already see it in the game. If you tap on your opponent or yourself, you can see a banished category. um Presumably it's just like, you know, exiled, like it's just out of the game. Yeah. I don't know. Do we want to talk about tweets? Should we just go through the spells one by one? Like what do you think about the this art in particular?
00:43:58
Speaker
e sure i mean yeah Let's talk about the arts and then we'll talk about Agamotto once we've covered them all. yeah ah So 3-0 on reveal, next turn you get plus 4 energy. I think this one's interesting. It's it's like you're spending 3 energy to get 4 energy. You have to draw this out of your deck. It does cost you a draw, yeah. But it does let you do like...
00:44:23
Speaker
a big play early, like a combo play, or alert let get a six cost out early. You'll have eight energy on turn four if you play this on turn three. And there are things you can do with eight energy. But it's a whole draw, and it doesn't even stick around with a little Psylocke body on the board to contest a lane or anything. This is yeah a nothing card. But that's why it's good that it's getting banished, I think, with the low power. You don't want it clogging up.
00:44:52
Speaker
That's one point in its favor. It does not waste space. Yeah, um but I think I think this is the worst one, but it's a ramp card. It's good. You know what I mean? If your whole goal is just to play more big power cards, it's not bad. Yeah. The thing is, you're only getting one extra. You're still like getting a silox sized helping of extra and like it's just. To to have to draw a card to get But like another benefit of these is like losing, what if you want to lose Prio? What if that's somehow beneficial to you because you're trying to pull off some like Arnim Zola stuff or whatever. I don't know. so This card will definitely lose you, Prio. That's true. I'm just saying, if you build for it, that could be an advantage sometimes. You want to lose Prio.
00:45:47
Speaker
Yeah, this isn't terribly unlike playing Sera on turn five. If you play this on turn six, then you still have two energy left over on turn five, or sorry, if you play this on turn five. But the thing is, Sera makes more than one energy. This card makes exactly one energy for you. No, it makes four energy. Yeah, but it costs three, and like you get right you get like... Sarah at least, like you pay in five and then on turn six, you you might be like, you might be getting like four extra energy out of that if you play like... This is four extra energy! That's true, but like... If you play Bolts of Balfak and a 2-4, it's the same as Sarah discounting you four cards. Like, yeah but I don't think it's automatically just plus one energy.
00:46:35
Speaker
I guess I guess maybe I'm oversimplifying on that point. I see what you're saying. You're spending three energy to get four. But like and to make it larger to play with a 16 card deck just so you can have this. I mean, yeah, I i don't think this is the one. um But like playing with a 16 card deck is like not advisable. Going into 10 energy. It's kind of nice.
00:47:03
Speaker
Skipping turn five, though. But we're not looking at the most card, right? Or skipping most of turn five. Yeah, I guess that's true. Let's put it in context. What are these other arcane arts? I'm more enthusiastic about them, that's for sure. Images of icon, a 4-0 on reveal, transform your other cards here into copies of the highest power one. Banish this.
00:47:27
Speaker
um ah This is very good. It's fun. I like great setting fun. It will situationally be very good, yes. I'm a little concerned about how consistent it might be. And like the when when exactly are you planning to play this? Are we playing this on turn six? And if so, how are we winning the other lanes? Is the card that we're transforming everybody into Miss Marvel in the middle or something? like what like How does this win the other lanes is what I'm thinking.
00:48:02
Speaker
It's a valid concern. ah Definitely to me feels a lot like Cersei transforming your other cards. My squirrels not turning into a two cost my squirrels turning into Cole obsidian. you know Or the hood is an excellent example. um Yeah, it's a little pricey.
00:48:19
Speaker
i but I definitely think there are combos where where that's going to be great. I do want to make Miss Marvels. Yeah. Now that Agamotto is five, you can play Agamotto in five and images of Icon on Six to turn everything into Agamotto. And when we say everything, we mean two other things. Yeah. And you have to have those bodies there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:45
Speaker
I need cheap cards. Temporal manipulation. There's a lot of investment all in the same lane. I don't know. It is. Yes. That's my last thought. You are heavily invested for sure. Temporal manipulation, a 1-0 on reveal, give Agamotto plus three power, put him into your hand if he's not in play. That deck thinning is good after you added four cards to your deck. Yeah.
00:49:10
Speaker
Also, it's great if you happen to discard him or something, you know? Cute. It's better than Thanos, right? That's what this is for. If Agamotto's been destroyed or discarded or is still in your deck. I didn't even think about the destroyed or discarded. That's cool. But I assume if he's banished, you can't get it back. I don't know. Maybe you can. Maybe that's the power of temporal manipulation. It's such that you can even get back a banished Agamotto.
00:49:41
Speaker
Yeah, this this one's interesting, at least. And I like that it draws you a card in exchange for making your deck huge. I mean, like it draws you a card if Agamotto is in your deck, rather, I should say. It sometimes draws you a card, so that's cool. Yeah. And I think most decks can spare one energy at some point, right? It makes it very flexible. And I mean, it's a 1-3. That's fine. Yeah.
00:50:10
Speaker
Next, wins of Watoom, a 2-0, on reveal afflict an enemy card here with minus 5 power and move it right. Banish this. That's the best one. I love a 2-5. Yeah, a 2-5 move card? Yeah. The only thing is, you need something that has 5 or more power. Don't you? Oh, no, you can make it negative. What am I thinking? Make it negative. No. I'm just like...
00:50:38
Speaker
I'm just like, I don't know. It's been a it's been a hell of a week, folks. um um Yeah, winds of water. I think this is the most exciting one. Honestly, like this would be I'm surprised they took it down from three to two. Like this didn't actually have this text before, did it? This is like new text, the.
00:50:56
Speaker
I don't remember. I don't think any of them had text left. The spells did not have text before, the way they've been laid out in the datamines that we're looking at. Like, it makes it seem like we already knew what the abilities were, but we did not. But yeah, I'm saying I would have paid three for this effect and not felt stupid about it. But if they're offering it to me for two, yeah, I'm excited. I think Winds of War Tomb is the one to beat. A 2-5, like, a 2-5 Stegron.
00:51:23
Speaker
That's that's what this is, right? Can I answer your question about how do you win the game when one lane is so invested in with images of ICON? With the lack of the tomb, you can play both of them on turn six.
00:51:38
Speaker
I suppose. I mean, Winds of Wartum moves one thing to the right and images of ICON makes one of your lanes really strong. I i i can see how playing both of these on turn six would sometimes win you the game, but I don't see how it's like... ah all right Five Power is not a lane winner. Okay.
00:52:03
Speaker
I'm excited for Agamotto though, and I'm glad he's the season pass because he's another of those cards. Like when Thanos first came out, we're just like, oh, here's a whole, it's all these cards in one. There'll be new decks to build with it and things to try. And, um, everyone's going to want them, I think. hallie there's so many so many synergies because of the different spells. For all my skepticism of Bolts of Balthak, this version of Agamotto with more details and like actual spells and stuff, way more exciting to me than Vanilla Hulk Agamotto, who all we knew was that he shuffled stuff into your deck and made it bad.
00:52:43
Speaker
um So this is better information. Some of these spells are good. And ah yeah, it's a very exciting card. I i also like that he's five. i'm sort of I'm rooting for five cost cards. I don't really play them, but like I wish we lived in a world where more of them were worth playing. And this is exciting for me. Good for the game. That's what I say. Yeah. I think he's definitely a fun season pass card. I'm personally interpreting in it that you just always get these four.
00:53:13
Speaker
But it's possible that there, because I think there were five spells. Wasn't there a fifth one? I thought there was a fifth one. Yeah. That we just don't see here. Right. And so the question is, do you get four out of the five, or did they just cut the fifth one? Oh, good question. I think four out of the five is kind of weird, but also keeps it kind of interesting, like you don't know which one you missed. All the spells synergize with Ravonna.
00:53:36
Speaker
That's awesome. Oh, Ravonna. Yes, please. Anywhere but negative. Yeah, very happy about that. Yeah, that is cool. Also, I'll synergize with King Atree. Negative? Yes, and then also negative. Oh, yeah, I also like King Atree. Although they all get banished at the end of the turn, so like you're not like keeping those juicy stats, really. No, but negative and Jane let you draw them all. Yeah, so being able to draw and play them for free is... You still get to do lots of cool stuff for free, even if you don't get to keep their power.
00:54:07
Speaker
um Although, do you want to flip Agamotto himself? I mean, like I guess he just becomes High Evo, the card that you don't actually want to play, you know? Yeah. But then temporal manipulation becomes very bad. I don't know how much you want to play Agamotto anyway. um I mean, 513 is good, but if you don't get the temporal manipulation, 510 is meh.
00:54:31
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. The first weak spotlight card, Ison, which was absolutely ridiculous before, has had the ability and power changed. A 6, 9. This is a Celestial. ah After each turn, put a card from your hand that didn't start in your deck here.
00:54:49
Speaker
so i So... It's Arisham synergy and Agamotto synergy, I guess. I mean, it's card generation stuff. i mean ah This is a 6.9, so like I don't know how many times you're expecting to proc this ah after each turn business. yeah but At least once, right? For a 6.9. Also, I like this a lot, because to rehash our old conversation, not to rehash it, to summarize it quickly,
00:55:23
Speaker
Having putting legendary in a card makes it sound like a new mechanic where you can only have one legendary card per deck, which means it's an unbalanced card, which means then you'll feel obligated to have a legendary card in every deck. And we didn't like that direction. So removal of that, right. It was way too OP. Of course I'll give cards different powers to give them a plus two. I'll do that backwards and forwards everywhere.
00:55:50
Speaker
So this is good, and this is an interesting puzzle. Because when I looked at that first two, I'm like, what, do you have to play magic to proc it at all? I'm like, well, you always get one. And then, you know what I mean? You're obviously probably trying to ramp it, of which there are many ways to do now, right? We have so many ways to get extra energy.
00:56:10
Speaker
um So like, I'm into the intriguing, the like, oh, what deck do I want to build with it? Which is what I want to see when I look at a card text, to be honest, is to be intrigued. My first thought was Wiccan. That's where I think this card goes. Wiccan can play lots of good card generation things on its way to playing Wiccan. And then you play this and start vomiting forth all your generated stuff. Yeah.
00:56:39
Speaker
Wave lets what lets you get three procs with this also. We don't see a lot of Wave anymore, but Wave is good with this card. Yeah, I like Wave with this. that's That's a very good observation. I agree with you, Rita.
00:56:54
Speaker
This one is more interesting. like The deck building puzzle for the old one was also interesting, but I think also there's a good chance it would have just been solved and it just became the best deck in the game because it gets too easy to get top of the meta. It's ridiculous. yeah And then you get to finish with a 6.15. I'm fine with the legendary word that lets that limits it to one card per deck.
00:57:16
Speaker
but The ability is selfless. I'm not nearly so open-minded on that point. You don't like Legendary either, huh? Nope. I think it means that everyone has to play one Legendary in their deck until the end of time, once we introduce that keyword. Oh, you're right about that. I remember you saying that the first time. Yeah, I don't like that deck building restriction. Yeah, okay. You're right. Starbrand.
00:57:41
Speaker
had a big change, the next one, if I can find first Sauron card since Sauron launched. It's almost like they realized that they were shooting Aries in the foot by ah and having a future Twitter scar card that distinctly did not care for Aries, in addition to Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross. They're just like, we really don't want you playing this guy in this deck, even though it's where he belongs.
00:58:10
Speaker
Okay, Star Brand is now a 3-10, which is very big. With the ongoing ability, your opponent has plus 3 power at each other location. So, functionally a 3-4. Can I immediately launch sword or sword on decks? That's what it's for.
00:58:26
Speaker
yeah suan that did you can enhandress it You can zero it like there's other things you can do is a zero since We had one I like forgot we take out arm We put in zero, you know what I mean? Like it's just I'm saying like I just I wish And that makes me sad I feel like maybe we need to keep on. I never played armor in my Sauron decks because I hated it. Oh, you hate stripping her of the ongoing. You know what? I played instead Silk.
00:59:02
Speaker
Give my decks some reach. And this was before, this was when Silk was better. That's how long it's been since I played Sauron. This card will make the most fun bar with no name scams.
00:59:15
Speaker
Yes, yes it will. Oh my gosh. you good I love a new Legion scan. Galactus follow-up. There are no other locations. What else? Although I don't think it's going to overtake the other options for Galactus follow-ups. I think maybe. Oh, Liant is still better. Yeah. um I also think...
00:59:43
Speaker
There are decks where you can just focus two locations, and so he's okay he's fine giving one location plus three power. Now he's a three, seven, right? If you just if there's one location, you don't care about anyway. And then the second location, you can go really big in one location so big that it doesn't matter. you know like It's your Iron Man location or something.
01:00:04
Speaker
and it doesn't, out of your Shuri location, it doesn't matter how much effort your opponent puts into it, you're winning that lane even if you gave them three extra power. So I think there's actually a lot you can do with the star brand. I think he's way more interesting.
01:00:16
Speaker
i I think that like throwing one of the lanes is not... um yeah like We all have to do it sometimes and stuff, but like I don't think it's the most winningest way to play Marvel Snap is by like abandoning a lane hard. I think that the most winningest way to play Marvel Snap is by contesting all three.
01:00:39
Speaker
And I don't know. I'm i'm i'm skeptical. of I feel like as I've gotten better at the game, I'm doing more of abandoning Elaine. Well, no, but like you've got to threaten all of them at least. Yeah. like ah Otherwise, like if you're just. Yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll see what happens. OK.
01:00:58
Speaker
i
01:01:01
Speaker
Fire hair is next. you I'm sorry. I was excited because of course I'm getting a card whose name is fire hair. I'm not even familiar. The old fire hair was very cool. She could move. And every time you did it revived a destroyed card, but I love this new one. Two, three fire hair. She's the original Phoenix force or at least the first Phoenix force host on earth. with One of your cards is destroyed. This uses that cards on reveal.
01:01:29
Speaker
So cool. Do you think it's limited to once? No way. No, no. This is every single time you destroy a card. Which first off I think is disgusting with Mill. I mean like what you just played with misery, right? I know. Mill misery is awful.
01:01:44
Speaker
Yeah. um But there's so much fun stuff you can do with this. OK. All right. Yes, I agree. It's so fun. It just seems busted to me. I liked the other design more personally, which might also have been busted. I don't know. That's because the other one moves. Whoa. But also it was like more interesting. Like, we don't have a ton of resurrection effects. You know, we got your hellas and your ghost riders. No. Like, I just think this would be cool.
01:02:13
Speaker
This is also, did you see how interested in Lorin are? That means it's a chance. It's not a resurrection. This is just so long. It's sort of a resurrection. It's not the power, but if you destroy Hela or whatever, then, I mean, I guess you can't delay it in the same way you could with the other one, where you move her multiple turns later. Yeah, I mean, like, I like both of these card designs. These are both good card designs. I just, I'll miss the old one, is all I'm saying.
01:02:42
Speaker
Can I? Okay. You like. You never come back. You like Grandmaster letting you play car ah on reveal on two different locations. This is another way to play on reveal on two different locations. That's cool. That is cool. Destroying is not the easiest way to do it. I mean, with misery, it, it super is misery. yes This is like ah definitely the favorite synergy is misery and fire hair, but I just think she looks so fun.
01:03:13
Speaker
Okay, and then the last one, Konshu. I don't know if you two have noticed this. Did we talk about what she would do in Destroy with like, carnage and venom and stuff? Like, if like, if you eat your carnage, like, she'll carnage off in her lane. Yep. You know, like, and then proc those abilities too. I like a chain reaction. Yeah, like, I can see with like, being cool with like, Nimrod and stuff or something. Yeah.
01:03:41
Speaker
But it's a whole different deck build because your cheap cards, I play decent and play to some destroy now and again. And your cheap cards there are mostly like X 23 getting you energy, you know, doing all that stuff. So like they're not and with her, you really want to like stuff you want to repeat, right? You want those on reveals.
01:04:04
Speaker
In X23 it's actually a good synergy with her like X23 and your Wolverine split up. You can eat one of them and then Firehair takes care of the other one. If we're doing like carnage venom chains with like the regenerating characters already on the board. Okay, but you if you need to destroy your destroy cards, like that, you know, we have There's the X amount of room in your deck to put in destroy cards, and now you're gonna have to mostly fill it with, and then you're gonna get awkward hands where you don't have the rat. I'm just saying, I played a lot of destroying, it's a delicate balance, so. You're right, it's not super. No. Okay, carnaging a hood is pretty good.
01:04:46
Speaker
Mm hmm. All right. Yeah. Yep. I like this. I think there's something something with some destroy. I don't know. I don't know my classic destroy, but like I think something with a bunch of symbiotes and fire hair is going to be legit.
01:05:01
Speaker
Okay, I love saying firehair, but we have to talk about Conchus. You should be excited about this card too. Should I? This is Unite's best key. I know that's what I'm saying. I love about Unite. Ori is excited about this. Okay, starts as a 6-5. Wind discarded returns in its next phase.
01:05:21
Speaker
And then on reveal, resurrect a card you discarded to another location with its power set to five. But if you discard Konshu first, he comes back as Konshu Waxing with six, seven, the same ability. Then the card he resurrects gets seven power. If you discard him one more time, he comes back as Konshu full, six, 12, and sets the resurrected card to 12 power. I don't know if you two have noticed, but the ah the logo changes with each version of the card.
01:05:50
Speaker
Oh, for this. This is so fun. It's a fun little quest. Two of the faces have like the same size moon. No, you're right. Waxing should be more full. Couldn't we just like get, yeah, come on.
01:06:11
Speaker
But anyway, cool detail. Okay, am I allowed to be excited about it again yet? Moon Knight also can't be bad for Black Cat, right?
01:06:23
Speaker
Oh, and plus like, look, you don't even mind in a regular discard deck. Like a lot of times when you're playing discard, you're holding stuff in your hand because you got maybe you got an off mix of stuff you want to discard and things you don't like. It's like, I don't want to discard the Colleen wing because what if I draw score next turn and there's Grandmaster or maybe I just want to discard it later with a meek on the board. So there's all this stuff. But like, um,
01:06:51
Speaker
This one, you know, this one, it's like, oh, go ahead and play that blade on that kalim wing because you're going to bring that kalim wing back later. Just guide your scorn again, you know, maybe with Khanshu. I just, I don't even play, Moon Knight's not in the gocalypse right now. I miss Moon Knight. I want more reasons to play him. I want a reason to play Black Cat, like, um,
01:07:18
Speaker
This is a very exciting card for me. I think a must for all discard players, right? Maybe. i just guess ah i love I love my friends Dracula and Apocalypse, and I wonder how Konshu plays with them. And I think he doesn't. He doesn't. New style of discard, very exciting. Yeah, I think he replaces Apocalypse in some decks.
01:07:41
Speaker
right going so say I did notice that the Latina Konshu full doesn't have any text that resurre that brings him back if you discard him. So you should not discard him a third time. Unless you got a Ghost Rider.
01:07:59
Speaker
yeah just a big old reaction chain, or a resurrection chain, which I think is cool. little respect on You um ko know what, I think maybe we've glossed over that is important to keep in mind. The car that you resurrect is guaranteed to resurrect at a location other than where you played Khonshu.
01:08:19
Speaker
That should be a pro, right? You were just talking about going wide. That's a huge pro. How have we not celebrated this yet? This is very cool. You discard him twice. He's a 624 split across two locations. That's very good.
01:08:38
Speaker
Okay. Yes. ah Two more cards associated with 1 million BC that we don't know how we're going to get. They're not spotlight cards. They're bonus cards from a limited time mode or something. ah One of them is Fan Fae, who I believe is an Iron Fist. Do we not have stats on, but activate? Now Fan Fae is still a... Yeah. Okay. yeah No stats yet on Fan Fae, but has text. Activate. Move your other cards here away. Love it.
01:09:05
Speaker
very cool seems like a bad madam lead i guess it lets you time out a whole chain mousetrap reaction you don't have control but you can blast away three cards at once i mean you kind of have control you know what happens when you play fanfay on the left is that you guarantee there's room to heimdall Oh, good call. Yeah, some Heimdall fun. so like This is like uncontrollable, but like only kind of... I still like it better than Hercules for purposes of controlling where your cards go. It seems fun anyway. And then ah the first Ghost Rider. This card. A 2-6. On reveal, discard the lowest power card for your hand. Remove that card's power from this.
01:09:56
Speaker
Hell yeah, goblins. The goblins are just freaking stupid with this. A little love for Selene or Selene as they call her in Hades 2. I'm growing to favor that pronunciation just so that I can have consistent sounds in my life. Assuming discarding a negative power card gives you power, which is like how Lasher works, then the hobgoblin makes this a 214, which is stupid. Yeah, seems fair, right? Yep, very cool.
01:10:25
Speaker
It almost makes me think it won't work because that's so dumb. Yeah, I know. I had the same thought. I was like, are they i like this? That's it's too good. Like they they understand that, like, like, a yeah, Hobgoblin is minus eight now, is that right? Or is it minus? now Yeah, it's minus eight yeah minus eight right now. Yeah, 214 is probably a little beyond the pale, but I'm not sure they know that. I don't know.
01:10:55
Speaker
and But targeted discard's good, you know? Colleen Wing's ability certainly sees use and it's very similar to that. If you're discarding, ah say, I don't know, Morbius, or Gore, or Iron Man, um then you don't get the penalty. And, yeah, I don't know. Cool card, but... It just seems...
01:11:23
Speaker
It's way too good. It's a hard problem because if it doesn't, if it, they could lower the power, right? Make it a 2-4 or whatever, but then you can only use it with negative power cards.
01:11:35
Speaker
so
01:11:37
Speaker
I don't know if that one will survive, except it's, you know, March season, next month, so these are probably very near final. Do you think maybe it ever makes it just as targeted discard in Hela to get Iron Man out? Yeah, or Gore. Uh-huh. Yeah. And it has more power than Colleen Wing, so yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. so Too good.
01:12:01
Speaker
Yep. OK. The next season, April season, is What If. And I'm so excited. This is, ah I don't know. To me, this is almost like ah a runaway season or a Spider-Man season where I just want all the cards because I like the characters. I like them. Yep. I feel the exact same way. yeah So I don't even care if these aren't cool abilities, but they are. Oh, but they are. Yeah. Season pass. Captain Carter.
01:12:25
Speaker
A 4-2 with the ongoing ability, your other cards in the back row here gain this card's power.
01:12:36
Speaker
Introduction to back row. Yeah, I think the row stuff is cool. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm not sure I don't think it's cool, but I'm not sure I think it's cool.
01:12:48
Speaker
ah Making sequencing important, I'm a fan of. um Which I mean, it already is in so many ways, right? I'd like sequencing within a turn. I think that's good. Or even sequencing across turns a little bit, but like, I don't know. Like you are really, ah it's like such a big commitment to say that like, well, this card only matters if we're absolutely packing the lane. And ah I don't know. i I haven't had long enough to, these these these are cards that are news to us, and I haven't crystallized my thoughts here, but I'm a little skeptical of the back row mechanic in general, and we see it somewhere else on one of these cards, right? Yeah, Dum Dum Dum Dum looks at the front row. ah Let's just talk about him real quick. I believe he's a bonus card. ah Yeah, he's not ah one of the spotlights. 2-2 ongoing, your cards in the front row have plus one power. Front row here.
01:13:46
Speaker
from Yes, thank you. for for years That's important. I was down on the card when I first saw this before Captain Carter, and I'm like, what? the front This is what you're going to do with a two drop? It doesn't really feel worth doubling up with Moonstone in comparison to other things you're trying to do, but I'm like, hey.
01:14:07
Speaker
I mean, you're definitely putting two cards down there, even if
Ongoing Cards and Synergies
01:14:10
Speaker
he's one of them. And he's a 2-4, which is pretty standard, right? So then once, if you can get that in with some other effects, like you know once again, just going straight to Spectrum, probably. And one thing that I like about Dum Dum Dugan is that, like do we have a two-cost ongoing, whose thing is like having pretty decent stats, right? like No, yeah.
01:14:33
Speaker
This sort of fills in a niche that I wish there were already. Is this the two costs ongoing for these times that we need? No. Wait for Goliath. Yeah, I don't know.
01:14:49
Speaker
Um, I, I think it's interesting that the two costs needs to be in the, in the back. Well, actually the, he doesn't need to be in the back row. Does he? No, he, most often he will be one of the front row cards. He can hit himself already. Captain Carter says your other cards. So if she's in the background, she doesn't buff herself. It's a little awkward. You need to play a four in the front row, but very awkward with Do you think they'll change it? I think they'll change it. I think that's so unfun. They might, because she's the season pass. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. um But it is strong. If you can if you can do it with ah Captain America or a spectrum, ah her ability stacks up really fast.
01:15:33
Speaker
Yeah. Agree. I'm worried about that. I think there are a million ways to like hand buffer or whatever, you know? Yeah. Obviously, she'll go great with Galacta. yeah ah The first week spotlight for that is Goliath, who I already mentioned, a 2-1 ongoing hell yeah plus one power for each other ongoing you have in play. That's just a big boy. That's what's up. Yeah. I love it. I mean, but it's going to be a musket unless you just hate ongoing or whatever. I mean, in Spectrum, he's like a 2-8, 2-9.
01:16:14
Speaker
It's a big card. And I love it because any, what I love about ongoing decks is you get to play Cosmo. So many people are on revealing stuff and Cosmo being able to defend your own stuff from Enchantress and Rogue, which I, you know, Rogue honestly, I think I see more than Enchantress these days, but like until this card comes out, then everyone will be playing.
01:16:39
Speaker
But like, you know, it's like Cosmo is such a good card that you usually, tech, you never play, because you put in all your own on reveal stuff and like literally any other deck than ongoing. oh yeah And it's like, okay. yeah you are You are just like talking to me about my secret homework deck. We'll come back to it. I can't participate in this discussion because all I would say are things about secret homework.
01:17:07
Speaker
Ongoing has such good tech, because you get that Madam Web in there, and then you're even able to move your Cosmo around, and then you're going to buck it up. Okay, hmobious. Right? i So I'm excited, but it still struggled with power, right? like So this is exciting for it, and for Yeah, For spectrum wishers and hopers.
01:17:30
Speaker
And I just I love scaling. I love small scalers. And like I also feel very bad for the ongoing synergy because all of its payoffs are like. kind of clunky like spectrum is just iffy just the premise I'm skeptical of like onslaught is just like so local to his lane and like you know moonstone is the same in that regard I just I want there to be more ongoing cards that are just like hell yeah we're playing a lot of on goings around here and it's gonna be the death of you you know
01:18:04
Speaker
like that i just i like those simple like synergies where it's like hey you're you're leaning in right you're we're we're doing a lot of on reveals we're doing a lot of on goings we're moving all the cards are like you know like i just like it when All the things you might do, like their individual effects are cool, but at least we're all still contributing to the you know like the ongoing thing that we're all doing together.
Kahori's Introduction and Hand Buffing
01:18:29
Speaker
you know even Even though all the ongoing decks could have different specifics, ah yeah i just I like a ah good simple reward. And I also like two-cost cards. It's my favorite cost. um So yeah yeah, I think.
01:18:47
Speaker
I mean, three's great too. Two's and three's. Two's and three's are the best cards. So Goliath is checking a lot of boxes for me. All right, the next one. A four, six on reveal. ah This Kahori, ah the but she's she's like ah an indigenous American woman with, I don't know, she's got like blue cosmic powers. She's very cool. She's original to the What If series. First appearance, season two of What If.
01:19:13
Speaker
On reveal, for each card in your hand, give a friendly card plus one power. I love buff cards. She's a buff card that hits the board. I like this for the same reason that I liked Goliath in that it echoes the effect of another sort of a synergistic reward. Like this is very much, you know, in the devil dinosaur vein. But it's like smaller and you can play it in the same deck as devil dinosaur and it does like a slightly different, you know,
01:19:46
Speaker
It rewards you for the same thing in a slightly different way, in much the same way that Goliath is to Spectrum. Yeah. Oh, it'll make Dino feel great. Yeah. i'm I'm rooting for Devil Dinosaur. i don't play i never It was never part of, I mean, I played it a little bit in early series, but you know I think other people played it more. And I just want them to have their Dino back, you know do Dino stuff again. the The main synergy that came to mind for me is Sebastian Shaw. Is this a separate buff for every single card? Because if it is, you play only Sebastian Shaw on three, nothing else on your board, and then you play Kohori on four and Sebastian Shaw's 19 power. I think it does count each one. That's what I think. That's that's that's big. Yeah.
01:20:45
Speaker
It's like, you know, that's not the combo you rely on because you have to draw, you know, yeah two of your cards and your first, like, what is it? a Seven or eight draws. ah But when you do get it, you go for it because that's so big synergy because like if you're trying not to play anything till Sean three, then you're going to have cards in your hand. That's true. yeah He's your only target and you have more cards in hand. I'm a little skeptical of the premise, but I think like that'll be a cool thing when it happens. I'm not sure it's build around, but it's cool. It's definitely. But if you're doing a hand buff deck and and Shaw's there anyway, because, you know, we like Shaw getting hit by the one pool. Yeah, he's he's very much the reason for the hand buff season.
01:21:34
Speaker
um
01:21:37
Speaker
I'm not, yeah, I don't know. it's It's hard for me to imagine that deck's full game plan start to finish, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means I haven't imagined it or I cannot conceive of it at the moment. Yeah.
Infinity Ultron and Strategic Speculation
01:21:52
Speaker
um She seems harder to use than like a Gwenpooler Galacto. That's my read. Yeah. But she's fun.
01:22:02
Speaker
And I like the character. I liked that episode of What If. And, uh, yeah. Yes. I'm, I'm so glad to see these characters here. Okay. The next one is Infinity Ultron. And y'all are going to have to bear with me because this is going to be, uh, even harder to get through than Agamotto. Infinity Ultron, a five, six, on reveal, add two Ultron infinity stones to your hand.
01:22:26
Speaker
um I thought I saw the but the stones with stats somewhere. No, I thought I did too. Oh, I'm sorry. I forget they're not in the show notes. That's ok um okay. Let's go retrieve those.
01:22:43
Speaker
Okay, we have tracked down the stats for the Ultron infinity stones. We also checked and fanfay has stats. So we thought about, I thought we would talk about those real quick. Fanfay, the iron fist with the activate move cards here away is a four seven. Ben? I think that's pretty cool. I think that's exciting. I like a good forecast, general purpose move, like a general move effect on a forecast card.
01:23:12
Speaker
Very Neato, we don't have any of those that are good. ah or but That's my editorializing. I'm like, I don't know. Are there forecasts that move your own cards? No. Yeah, there's Stegron, but all right. Stegron's great, but that's a different thing. that's Yeah, absolutely. OK.
01:23:33
Speaker
ah Going on to Infinity Ultron, as a reminder, even though you all just heard it, a 5-6 on Reveal, add two Ultron Infinity Stones to your hand. The first one, the Space Stone, is a 3-4, which is very different from Thanos' Stones. On Reveal, move the lowest power enemy card here to Infinity Ultron's location.
01:23:59
Speaker
Oh, when we say that they're very different from Thanos's stones, it's worth noting that all of these stones cost three. So like the anticipated plan for your, uh, your Ultron is you play Ultron on five and then you play two stones. Yeah, that's very, that's helpful for sure.
01:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, we're surfer man, this is exciting because I missed out on Thanos like Thanos came out before spotlights remember with him and he was a big bad so he was like a ton of tokens and I i think he debuted in the token show.
01:24:35
Speaker
Yeah. so like And I didn't get him for so long. like I missed all of the time that he was like really good. And so now this will be fun to play with. And it's like surfer synergy, which you know is always a good time. I mean, it's surfer synergy if you weren't planning on playing surfer on turn six.
01:24:59
Speaker
You could you could play one of the stones and certainly is this magic surfer maybe maybe this is magic sir. Ooh I'm a little skeptical of the the premise, but Okay, that's that's just fine. What if you have a red wing? is skeptical of the premise. Goodness gracious. That you move You know so you play your surfer and then red wing and then it pulls the other Whatever card that pulls the card from your deck and play you know How are you moving your right wing?
01:25:31
Speaker
ah around yeah okay I have to say that's a better answer. than i I was like, i'm I'm excited to hear how however he gets there. But no, that's that's that's a great answer. um I didn't make that up as I win at all. He thought out.
01:25:51
Speaker
The space stone does not seem very good. Move the lowest power enemy card to infinity ultra. I'm like, what was infinity ultra on a five six? Like, so he's not a powerhouse and super influential to move the lowest power card, with the exception is of if you're playing like goblins, but you didn't play hobgoblins because he's a three cast also surfer card. You're saying waging the most Mimi that.
01:26:18
Speaker
No, I mean, like, OK, if you have Hercules within name and you put it in the the Ultron. Then you move a card and it doesn't move. Also, but then it'll bounce off the Hercules. OK, I know we probably like this. We already mentioned what Red Wings text is, but like it only works the first time. So like Hercules is not a Red Wing friend in any way. I don't. I honestly don't. I talk about Hercules vastly more than I.
01:26:49
Speaker
I think that's true of literally everyone.
01:26:55
Speaker
yeah Everybody thinks he sounds fun and interesting, but... No, yeah. so Do you actually make time for him? What's just going on? No, i' I'm sorry. always on that candidate i I knew when I said the thing, I said, I'm sorry. Hercules is fine for those who enjoy that sort of thing.
01:27:17
Speaker
Ultron reality stone three one. Add a token here. I don't know what it is. Set its power. Oh, it's a drone. Add a drone here. Set its power to infinity, Ultron's.
01:27:31
Speaker
um ah You got to play this with hand buff, right? Like otherwise this is a three seven, which is fine. Three seven is fine, except that you played a five six to generate it. Yeah. And it takes up two spots on your board. Yeah. Oh, geez. In that case, the three seven might not even be. Yeah. Wow. I mean, you're playing it on the last term, but.
01:27:53
Speaker
This one seems real iffy to me. I hope they, I'm sure they'll have another look at these stones. I assume these are going to get changed, but this version of this stone is not great.
Ultron Stones in Surfer Decks
01:28:03
Speaker
It's my take. Hey, mine's a three nine because of surfer. Yeah.
01:28:11
Speaker
Sorry. Like how can you not just see this and not want to build surfer?
01:28:19
Speaker
I look at so many other cards, and I would rather build surfer decks with them like so many other cards I see four cost cards, and I'm like oh that goes in surfer. I see two cost cards I'm like oh that goes in surfer you see infinity stones do not say surfer Okay, how much we both love surfer, but like we surf very differently It's My surfer style is closer to Reese, but I have enjoyed many true of them. Are you more of a vert or a street surfer?
01:28:53
Speaker
Okay. Ultron, Time Stone. The Great Stone. 3-1. Put a card from your hand here. ah On reveal. i That seems easier to do than Red Wing. Yes, it does.
01:29:11
Speaker
yeah
01:29:13
Speaker
I have to say this is the best of the stones we've seen so far. It's my opinion. Yeah, there's some good stuff you can do with that. Maybe that's the one you play to pull your surfer. That's how you play a surfer. I'm really done with this bit. You use Timestone to get out the other stone that got generated, and then you surf them. I know, I'm sorry. I'm stepping up surfer every single time.
01:29:34
Speaker
Okay, ah Ultron Mind Stone, the yellow one, a 3-2. Ongoing. Your on-reveal abilities here happen twice. It's a 3-2 Wong. I love a Wong that shows up one third of the time. We play it on the last turn. Great plan. Real build around stuff. Hey, but if you get this out and then the Time Stone, you get to pull two cards from your hand.
01:30:02
Speaker
That's true. ah This is strong. It's just, it's expensive. This whole card is very expensive. I think it's going to fundamentally change before it releases. I think we're speculating about a card that is just not going to happen like this. I think a lot of the abilities will stay similar, but I would expect that the costs will go down because otherwise it's a very hard card to play. This game plan of playing a five to generate two, three costs, for turn i just I think it's flawed. It's yucky.
01:30:31
Speaker
um Okay, his Power Stone, ah on reveal, double Infinity Ultron's power. Another point for the hand buff angle. Yeah, that one's also good if you get that one and the drone generator, but yeah, your chances of that are are slim. And also it's great with the Wong stone, you know? Yeah. Yeah. If you're going all in on like a Wong Black Panther combo, like it turns Infinity Ultron into another, you know, Black Panther basically for you.
01:31:01
Speaker
But you have no no guarantee that you're going to pull that stone. I guess if you Wong the Ultron, then you get twice as many stones. Do you have the hand space? Ultron's Soul Stone. The orange one, if that helps you, it helps me a lot. At least kind of picture it. um Or at least have something to, I don't know, hang my hat on. On reveal, for each full location you have, give a friendly card there plus two power.
01:31:29
Speaker
So it might be a 3-9 sometimes. Yeah. It's a 3-3 as a base. That's good. Oh, that's true. That's very important to clear up. That's all of them. I don't think this is great. It is an other deal, so it's double-able. I want to play with Surfer. I'm going to search so hard when this comes out. I'll try Surfer. You heard it here first, folks.
01:31:56
Speaker
I think he's super fun and the concept is great, but the costs are just not there. They're gonna move them all to two and my surfer dreams would be there. I won't say that's probably what's going to happen, but I think that is one of the leading possibilities.
01:32:15
Speaker
I bet they'll try that and keeping Infinity Ultron at five because that, you know, that keeps the concept alive. Like, is this like last second clutch thing that he comes in and saves the day? Also, I like that they're pushing these like ambitious fives, you know? Yeah, that's I think that's neato. I'm not going to play them because they cost five, but like I i like having them around. Yeah, seems seems very clunky in its current state. OK, next up, Strange Supreme.
Strange Supreme and Strategic Merging
01:32:42
Speaker
find him. A 2-0. Give this plus 2 power whenever it merges. After each turn, merge one of your cards that didn't start in your deck into this. Very flavorful. Yes. The flavor is excellent. My reading is... Top down is all hell. Yeah. My reading is... You can write the morning episode based on this text box.
01:33:06
Speaker
yes It's very good. It seems like a very fun card. I think I've seen people misunderstand the box. My interpretation is it can pull any of your cards that are on the board that didn't start in your deck. right That's what it means by your cards. It's not pulling them from your deck or from your hand. like i kind of I was wondering if it was specifically here or if it's anywhere on the board. but i It doesn't say here. But that doesn't mean they don't mean here.
01:33:34
Speaker
like Do you remember when I raised the point about Cap's shield and its ongoing ability where the last sentence of it is not an ongoing effect? like They never changed that like that that. That one made it to print like that. so like I think that sometimes they don't say exactly what they mean.
01:33:53
Speaker
um If you want to talk about it being top-down, it's way more interesting if he's warping something in from another location. That's true. It is. It is more interesting. And I hope that's what they mean. I just don't trust their clarity. You know what I mean? like i I don't know. We'll see how it goes. OK, so what would be the first card that merges with a card that's not at the same location? Because even Klyntar and ah the the church, they are like even those merge effects are all local to one spot. Yeah. Oh, this is going to be super fun, though. I'm rooting for marriage cards. I always want to play more agony and stuff.
01:34:34
Speaker
That would be a must have. So what do you say they code what are you for do with this? like He can clean up junk. That's cool, I guess. um Goes with Penny Parker. If he does indeed reach into other locations to steal those cards, Squirrel Girl for sure, right? yeah Eating two squirrels leaves him as a two six. And it and it fills two of your turns.
01:34:58
Speaker
to like Because you want to generate, like, what? yeah Four things for him to eat, right? He needs to eat on turn three. It's unlikely you'll be able to eat on turn two unless you play Sam Wilson. If you eat on Sam Wilson, Strange Supreme will eat on turn two. You could play Squirrel Girl 1, Strange Supreme on two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, yeah, Squirrel Girl 1. Like, that's that's that's why Squirrel Girl is so cool because she gets out in front of Strange Supreme.
01:35:24
Speaker
Whereas like, I think most of the other cards you'll be able to generate are coming down on turn three or later. Right. It feels like another Wiccan as just like you were saying earlier, somewhere where you're generating a lot, you know, like your Maria Hills and stuff, stuff goes well with Kate, even though those arrows are so, you know, good and fun. Right. Yeah. That's from the basic arrow, right?
01:35:50
Speaker
You, yeah, and clean I mean, I think so, right? Yeah. And you could condition things like before anything. Yeah, you would. Some planning to get like what, the Pym Arrow, the one, the ongoing one to get that. Well, if the Pym Arrow is the last card in the lane, it will be boosted when it gets eaten. Yes. But the basic arrow, if he eats it, the turn you play it, then no.
01:36:17
Speaker
That's true. That's true. um Anyway, yeah, I totally like this. is This is a card to kind of like fire hair where there's just like so much you can do with it that it's kind of like overwhelming, but it just it's just this is very cool ability. um But when it's overwhelming like that and cool, that doesn't automatically mean it's good. But I i think I think this will be good. Also, can we all just like appreciate how patient I've been with this very exciting, strange supreme because of the cards that are coming up next?
01:36:46
Speaker
I mean, like this is a very interesting card, but like we're very annoyed here. Recognized. Recognized.
Move Deck Synergies
01:36:53
Speaker
K, the last spotlight a week ah spotlight card of the season, the Hydra Stomper, a 3-1 ongoing plus one power for each card you moved this game.
01:37:06
Speaker
Hell yeah. Oh yeah, I've been waiting for this exact ongoing ability. Oh my gosh, it's move Morbius. It's move Morbius. I love it. I love it. I love it.
01:37:20
Speaker
Oh my god, I'm so excited. Hydra Stomper, i ah not my favorite episode of What If. Really, really don't give too too many cares about. Yeah, this is the character I care least about. yeah But this effect. Oh, this effect. Ooh, baby, move Morbius. I love it. Can I rain on your parade a little bit? Morbius said and try morbia says each time you discarded a card. This does not say each time you moved a card.
01:37:51
Speaker
That's true. So you're thinking that each card only counts once for each move. Yep. Regardless of how many times you moved it, each card only counts once. Now that said, you could mix this in like a scream deck, and I think it would count cards you moved that are your opponent's cards. Spider-Man has given this this card plus two. That's what I think. um Yeah. Dang. Very exciting card. And like, you know, Heimdall's a ton of power for this card.
01:38:18
Speaker
And also, again, we don't know that the text is actually like, you know, word like they made. You're right. they're They're not always great at expressing their their thoughts about what they want a card to do.
01:38:37
Speaker
It would be very cool if it was every time a card moved. And I'm not convinced for sure that it isn't. I mean, like, honestly, I think either way, this is just the coolest. I love it.
01:38:49
Speaker
Okay, i'm I'm very happy for you. This is a... There's only one card that rivals my excitement. I might actually skip that card, Hydrastock. It might be the only one I skipped that week. Oh, i thought I thought you meant we were about to skip this next card. It's Topaz, the one you're so excited about. Hell yeah, it's Topaz! Okay, I...
01:39:12
Speaker
I was like, is there another bonus card I'm missing? Okay, but we already talked about Dum Dum, Dugan. 3-4, Topaz, this is like Grandmaster's little buddy, right? yeah Or big buddy. um After you play a card here, move it to the middle location, which is evocative of Grandmaster's ability. Okay, tell me what you envision for this, because ah this... I don't get it.
01:39:37
Speaker
Oh, this is very cool. You know, there's that that new location, the Rivals one, where you play a card here and then it moves. Yeah, Spyro. Yeah, or like, um you know you know what else I like? I like Asteroid M. I like moving cards for free right when you play them. Like, it's just, it's very cool.
01:39:58
Speaker
you You play Craven in the middle, because you already want to play Craven in the middle. And the yeah, just throw cards into the, throw Vulture into the middle. Throw Dagger into the middle. Throw Spider-Man 2099 into the middle. Who gives a shit? This is awesome. and Okay, yeah, that's that is actually a real card for 2099. Yeah. Great, let's you play it. And you know what the cool thing about throwing cards into the middle is? He can Heimdall him.
01:40:28
Speaker
Yeah. This card is awesome. I love it. This probably goes in a move surfer deck. You can put Vulture in here. A dagger. Yeah, yeah. I'm i'm psyched on Topaz. Like, this is the this is who Hercules thinks he is. Hercules thinks he's with Maz. Hercules wishes. Yeah. Like, Topaz is a very controlled effect. Like, this is very good. I love this card. Very exciting. Oh, my goodness.
01:40:58
Speaker
That's all of them. We made it through all of the new datamined cards.
OTA Adjustments and Opinions
01:41:05
Speaker
Okay, just in time for us to talk about today's OTA. Y'all ready? Okay, first up, Doom 2099. Wonder if it's the same one that was leaked in the Portuguese version.
01:41:19
Speaker
um Yeah, so last OTA, the Portuguese like patch notes didn't cut out Hello or Doom 2099. They have stuff in there. And Glenn answered and said like, for every OTA, or maybe for most, I don't know, they often prep extra cards, and then cut some of them last second.
01:41:41
Speaker
ah depending on how the meta goes and all that. Okay, Doom 2099, the ah Daddy Doom goes from 4.2 to 4.3, and the Baby Doom, the Doombot 2099s go from 4.2 to 4.1. I hate this change. I know too, you know what Doom 2099 needed? He needed to be harder to Red Guardian. Yup, that's exactly exactlyly the problem. Oh my gosh, makers of Marvel Snap do better.
01:42:09
Speaker
ah still Hopefully, it'll still weaken it a good deal because I am getting annoyed with it. Yeah, it is less power. um Yes, it is marginally less power. Yup, but I don't. Oh, he's so hard to stop.
01:42:33
Speaker
And yeah, Red Guardian is kind of the only way to do it, and this just made it so much harder to do. And so like, usually, how many Doombots are you looking at? You're usually looking at three Doombot 2099s, right? If you played Doom 2099 on four, you're getting three of them. So you've you've traded the power. This is two less power? This is minus two power in exchange for making it harder to Red Guardian. And I think... Yeah, i don't I don't love that trade as as a person playing against Doom 2099 exclusively.
01:43:04
Speaker
like um'm yeah i It could be that the you know the Red Guardian argument is the same as the Shang-Chi argument. No, I'm sure how it is. like this This card is definitely worse than it was before this OTA. I just think that like as far as changes go, it's not It doesn't feel good how hard it is to counter Doom 2099. Nope. Nope. Okay. Wiccan. Oh wow. 4-7 to 4-6. Took a hit, which doesn't surprise me. He's been excellent. Yeah. Very fair thoughts. I just agree with what they said. Doesn't change anything. I'm still playing Wiccan. Yeah. Yeah. Wiccan is not leaving anytime soon on this account.
01:43:45
Speaker
Okay, Surtur goes from 3-4 to a 3-5 and can only be buffed twice per game. It's the first time we've seen the twice per game text. um So he's capped at 3-11. That's fine. Yeah, kind of good, because mostly I'm just in the camp of this was a card I didn't play, but I play against, so like, get nerfed on. But the thing is...
01:44:12
Speaker
Three five floor like Like now this card is just a really easy three eight like a really easy three eight like probably easier than speed three eight like probably Yeah, I don't know um and And easier than three ah easier than speed 3.7 is not important or interesting, but easier than speed 3.8 is. Because dude like these these one points do matter. I don't know how often he procced more than twice, but if you got everything on curve in a Sutter Scar deck, he' would he'd proc four times. Yeah, if if everything goes just exactly as you would like it. So his ceiling is definitely down.
01:44:57
Speaker
Um, scorpion goes from two, two to two, three. Oh yeah. Love it. Love it. I am excited that scorpions in my spider bay deck, which also has the next card sunspot in it. I'm like, um time to dust it off.
01:45:12
Speaker
oh This one's definitely got my eye. Sunspot 1-0 to 1-1. I played so much. We had nothing else to say about Scorpion. What else do you want to say about Scorpion's one power? I think this card is like now like super duper primo. That extra one power like makes a big difference like a 2-3.
01:45:30
Speaker
Totally zaps their entire hand. I love it. I think we're all going to be playing Scorpion this week. Yeah, he might just be a good card. I think Scorpion is good cards. Yeah, instead of needing synergy. That's a good point. Especially the way that it's a counter to the SCAR deck. Scorpion is primo right now, is my feeling. Okay. Sunspot one zero to one one.
01:45:55
Speaker
I'm glad for it. I have played hardly any Sunspot. You never see him anywhere except for Hyevo. I'll throw him to one, too. I don't give a shit. Hey, isn't the Thunderbolt round stack I played earlier? So, like, great time for Sunspot to get a buff. Yeah, Sunspot is a card that I never play, but that I want to be good, you know, for the health of the game and stuff. You used to see a lot of play. Yeah. Because you'd be like, oh, a lot of times you don't get a lot of energy. So you soak it up and then, yeah.
01:46:25
Speaker
And you just fell fell by the wayside. I would just love to wonder if I should play Sunspot in this deck, you know? And that never happens. Yeah. Fair. But it could. When they originally nerfed him, though, he was kind of just in every deck. No, he. yeah But that was like years ago. That was so far back. Right. It was um Sarah five four to five five. I say about damn time. Oh, yeah. yeahp Yeah. Yeah. Sarah. She's been on the list for a long time of cards where just like one more power is not going to not going to cause a problem.
01:47:03
Speaker
Just another old terror. There was a time where Sarah was an ox. It's like, why wouldn't you just want to play a whole bunch of cards ah hundred and six three cheap? And yeah, she's just, she's not around that much anymore. I'm still probably going to lean on Hope Summers for all of my acceleration needs as, as I generally do, just because she is the, the move accelerator. Like, uh, you know, and and I just love that Angela gameplay, play a card here, put it somewhere else, you know? Very good.
01:47:34
Speaker
But yeah, 5-5, Sarah. Improvement, healthy, yeah good. Adam Warlock goes from 5-5 to 2-0 and also picks up the additional text if you if he' if you're not winning the location, he gets plus one power. So if you're winning the location, draw a card. If you're not winning it, plus one power. Good change. Do you we want to read the explanation on this change? Because this seems like the and Does this seem like the biggest change? i don't No, people still won't play this card. No, no this card is still like unplayable.
01:48:09
Speaker
um Really glad. Maybe not unplayable, but like you know what I mean. He goes in bast. You know how many decks run bast? Exactly, A card whose usage is extremely narrow but much broader than it was a day ago, I will say. So much more playable at a two cost, definitely.
01:48:30
Speaker
I agree. you can I like that he's a little he's just a little tiny growing threat. If you're losing the location, he gives you one power there.
01:48:42
Speaker
ah
01:48:45
Speaker
yeah
01:48:49
Speaker
That's the OTA. That's it. yeah another ah light one that I don't expect to affect the meta very much. You would think Doom 2099 will, but I doubt it.
01:49:01
Speaker
I think that Scar and Scorpion are the more impactful changes. I think Doom 2099 still lives in all the places it lived before. Yeah, but I think you're discounting a little bit. Because a lot of times when I was facing it, I'm getting multiple Doom bots on a location, which means more than just one power off of every location. And then a couple power, you know just like three, two, three power can can be the difference in plenty of games. That's true. Maybe. We'll see.
01:49:31
Speaker
I'm hopeful. Absolutely. It'll hurt his win rate. I just don't think it's going to hurt his play rate. Doom was a 420 before, right? Like approximately. yeah So like a 418. I don't know. Seems below rate to me. Onto our side quests.
Deck-Building Experiments and Strategies
01:49:49
Speaker
We've got Secret Homework, our weekly secret homework, our weekly challenge. ah This week I assigned the homework. It was to make a fun deck, exploring a card that you suspect is fun, but you don't really have a lot of experience with, um whether that's all time or recently. Yeah, but that's allowable also. um I will talk about my deck. ah The first thing I tried, what was it?
01:50:15
Speaker
The first thing I tried flopped so hard. on Let's see. I made a deck full of like the fun cards that I was considering. Oh, the first thing I tried was Cerebro 7 with Bucky, Deathstrike, and Cerebro. They were three of my cards. I was like, I haven't played with these very much. They seem kind of fun.
01:50:32
Speaker
um I also tried a Warpath and Namor deck, where it was like, oh, if I have Warpath out, they're expecting me to leave this lane empty, and then suddenly, at the very end, I can throw out 11 power. And it was like, it was kind of interesting, but it did. It's not good enough. It's not real. um What I ended up with did use Bucky and Deathstrike.
01:50:55
Speaker
um And it's a Ravona deck. And I just... i don let me Let me read it off. ah So yeah, Bucky and Deathstrike were my cards where I was like, these both seem fun and I have not used them hardly at all. um You know, especially Bucky since getting the 2-7, but I haven't played 2-6 Winter Soldier much either. So this deck, it has ah Carnage and Deathstrike both as ways to destroy cards. It has Nova, Bucky Barnes,
01:51:31
Speaker
Oh, it also has a Tuma as another way to to destroy cards. And then it has Nova and Bucky Barnes as the cards you want to destroy. um And then the rest of the deck is Ravonna, a little Ravonna package. a Ravonna, both goblins, Iron Man Mystique, Mr. Fantastic, and Moonstone. um This deck was... Basically, if I got Moonstone on Ravonna, this deck was busted, and otherwise it was just okay.
01:52:01
Speaker
But it was very fun. It was fun to explore. People did not know what to expect. Deathstrike did a lot of damage. Deathstrike on top of Bucky Barnes is 14 power. like We like that. Atuma was a little unwieldy. like You can throw Nova there like recklessly, but you have to be careful about putting Bucky there because Atuma will also kill Winter Soldier. But like if Bucky's the only card there on the last turn, that's ah that's a 617. Don't hate that.
01:52:31
Speaker
I think youre Bucky is underutilized and non-destroyed for sewing. It's just like, oh, Bucky is just for Destroyed X. But it's like, that's where you need to look at him. What fun, unexpected stuff can you do with like Lady Deathstrike and stuff? Because it is a good amount of power. it's just like It just doesn't really belong in Destroy proper anymore, it feels like. The other thing that that Bucky is very fun for is all the Destroy locations.
01:53:00
Speaker
Yeah, that's always it's a fun feeling. Alter of death and and death's domain and Rickety Bridge. ah He's very fun in all those locations. Unlike, you know, I i am an apologist for X-23 and stuff. So like when I, I like to, you know, throw X-23 onto those locations, but you don't control where she regenerates. But like Winter Soldier, you can actually guarantee that like, nope, I'm holding it down on this lane.
01:53:29
Speaker
leaving nothing to chance. And I like leaving nothing to chance when possible. Yeah. And him being a two cost is also like super affordable. So you can say, you know, when there is a ah destroy location, you can just save him for the last turn. They don't think you're going to swing that location and then you do.
01:53:48
Speaker
Uh, so anyway, this challenge I thought was fun. I also, it turned out to be harder than I thought. And there were fewer cards that I like, I went through the entire collection and then I put like 11 or 12 cards in my like, these might be my secret homework cards.
01:54:01
Speaker
right Okay, reassigns next week's
Homework and Thematic Patch Ideas
01:54:06
Speaker
homework. So Ben, let's hear what you did this week. It's been alluded to multiple times already. Yeah. It's true. All right. So I'm only going to talk about one deck, but I actually made two secret homework decks that were pretty interesting. If you want to know about my Marvel boy deck, I'm going to say you got to come on over to the snap on this discord part of the snap judgments league.
01:54:29
Speaker
Discord server thing so if you haven't yet found your way to our little discord hidey hole You should do so find out about this very spicy deck. It's got a Electra in it. It's got Marvel boy in it. It's got what's What's another really interesting card that's gonna freak your bean? Lunas? No. Echo. but Those are some cards in the secret, secret homework deck. That sounds very fun. This more public secret homework deck that I got to test a little more?
01:55:00
Speaker
premise of this one. I was inspired, you know, I'm always talking about these different kinds of Heimdall decks. There's more than one kind of Heimdall deck. One of my favorites is a werewolf by night style of Heimdall deck, where you play a lot of on reveals, but I was like, hey, hey, hey. What if we, what if we turned it around, didn't do any on reveals.
01:55:23
Speaker
There are two on reveals in this Heimdall deck and they are both six costs. They are Heimdall and Magneto. But the rest of this juicy move deck is all ongoing and activate and just ah passive like triggered abilities and stuff. And so, yeah, how it works, how it works. We got Aranya, that's the only one drop.
01:55:48
Speaker
no No Iron Fist, no Ghost Spider, no Nico, no no nothing. Then, here's where it gets spicy. This is where I start talking about cards that I never play. Madam Web, Madam Web, if you prefer. I know that a lot of people think that she is synonymous with the entire move, synergy, archetype, mechanic, everything. like You'd think like, surely and Ben plays Madam Web.
01:56:15
Speaker
Hell no. Like barely even once. Like for weekend missions. That's the last time I played Madame Web. But yeah, she's in this deck. She does great work. She is one of the unplayed cards that is ah the focus of the assignment.
01:56:31
Speaker
ah The next card on the list is Dagger. Dagger's fine, not the powerhouse that she was. I have to say, the last time Dagger was exactly like this, a 2-2 that got plus two. She did feel better. It was like ah a relatively like stronger card. Dagger is in a diminished form these days, but she's still quite playable. um She's feeling the power creep, huh? Yes, she is feeling the power creep. That's a very good way to put it.
01:57:00
Speaker
um But she's still all right. There's still enough room for belief. ah The next card, Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, the new kid. Yeah, we invited him. I honestly, I believe he's the weak link. This deck is ah probably better if I switch him out. And so I might do that. I might test a new version of the secret homework deck just for shits and giggles next week.
01:57:21
Speaker
um but you So, I've already described two targets for Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross. There is a third target in this deck. It is Cull Obsidian. And, oh yeah, also Craven's in the deck. Sort of ubiquitous, obvious. Like, I'm gonna play Craven in a Heimdall deck.
01:57:39
Speaker
Come on Also, I just ah I I've heard some discussion like do you play Craven in a madam web deck and I do I don't know about y'all but then we got Captain America i accidentally took Magneto out of this deck and That's gonna drive me nuts, so I gotta put Magneto back in. Okay, but that's not great radio. So, Captain America, Sam Wilson. He's got that little shield that moves around. Somebody in our YouTube comments for last week episode last week's episode pointed out that Sam Wilson, Captain America, has Heimdall synergy, so I had to do it. I had to do it. Thank you for the tip, Voltron Pilot.
01:58:18
Speaker
Nice. Oh, if they both are at the same location and move? Yep. If they move together, you get an extra proc on Sam. Also, it like sometimes works out where, yeah, the you could also sometimes get an extra proc, even if they aren't like together. you if If they're in the same spot on turn five, you move the shield away and then it can slide back onto Sam depending on where it is. So like there's there's more than one way to just eke out a little extra value with Heimdall under different circumstances with Sam Wilson. So that's cool. But yo, here's the second of the cards that I never play that's up in this deck.
01:58:57
Speaker
Cosmo, that's right, the good boy, the good dog. the The enemy of on reveals everywhere. And I'm very team on reveal usually, but I'm team on going in this deck. And Cosmo has been great fun just shutting things down. I have a lot of experience having my day ruined by Cosmo. And oddly enough, I feel like this is translated into an ability to, you know, man and i'm I'm pretty good at reading where Cosmo belongs when.
01:59:25
Speaker
And, you know, I love moving them with Madam Web, doing all the stuff that I've seen all these other move players do. This deck was very much inspired by our friend Thursday. And in a great coincidence, the one time I accidentally played this deck on ladder, I'd mostly been testing it in PGs and Silvers and Conquest. I played it on ladder. Sure enough, I queued into Thursday. And that's so funny. Yeah, it was very funny. And I was also playing a move deck.
01:59:55
Speaker
yes All of these Thursday ass cards that I never play like The only way I could have made this more of a Thursday deck is if I'd had like human torch and dr. Strange and Cloak in it, although I don't think Thursday's been playing cloak lately But he did play Doctor Strange in the game that I was playing and I was like, man, I should have should have remembered Doctor Strange, but he's an unrevealed would have betrayed the the entire concept. um So after Cosmo got Vulture because you need something to get big, you know, his dagger. Oh, man, you need you need for you need a full lane to get more out of a dagger move than a vulture move now. And that that hurts. That hurts.
02:00:37
Speaker
um But yeah, yeah, Vulture still Vulture. So that's cool. Then we got Hope Summers. That's right. There's a little bit of an acceleration angle here. We're we're playing a lot of big cards. What are what are we how are we going to pay for all these things we've drawn with Thaddeus Ross? And then here it is Cull Obsidian because we're doing Sam Wilson. So like you might as well play Cull Obsidian, right? Right. Especially if you're testing out Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, killing a million birds with one deck building stone.
02:01:04
Speaker
um And then after Cull Obsidian, it's just Heimdall and Magneto, who I already mentioned, the two on reveals. So so ah i was I was really trying to accomplish a lot of things with this deck, and it mostly worked. I had a pretty good success rate in ah silvers and proven grounds. I didn't try too many golds. I didn't win any full golds, but that doesn't mean this deck couldn't. And I think it'll be better once I switch out Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross for something a little more...
02:01:32
Speaker
proactive and ah that contributes a little harder. You understood the assignment. You were worried less not being able to, but I think you crushed it. I'm impressed. Yeah. Thank you. A plus. All those cards you never play.
02:01:50
Speaker
But yeah, mind join join our Discord if you want to know about my Marvel Boy deck with Elektra. Who are the cards in there? are those Are those the two that were the fun test cards? I'm playing a lot of weird cards that I don't play a lot of places in that deck. I'm playing Eliath. I'm playing Marvel Boy. I'm playing Elektra. I'm playing Echo. Don't give it all away. OK. That's all you need to know. OK.
02:02:17
Speaker
All right, re let's hear it. Okay. Um, lesser curve for me. I only played with like one card. I was kind of unfamiliar with it. Um, I, for inspiration, I looked at my like least upgradeable cards.
02:02:35
Speaker
or something, I don't know. Last year was there, and I was like, oh, last year, because we kind of all forgot about him. But like, seems fun. So this was Galacto, which is what I played him for weekends. So and um so du kim in okay I OK, I always have an America, Akoya, and Akia deck put together at any point in time, um because I love cards. Cards are so much better than the other one.
02:03:05
Speaker
No. they think They're a gang. They all go together. They're an entourage. Okay. So, um, so I put it in, in this, in this deck because last, where's the card you want to buff? And I put it, this was an old, this is actually not my own deck. Usually I'd been running my own, but I found one by Ika that was super fun and followed the rules.
02:03:30
Speaker
of having all three of those cards. and I put him in for Sebastian Shaw, who was in the deck and is just always good to be buffed up a lot, but could get awkward. He's the card that you wouldn't play because like you know you'd probably be playing like a Captain Marvel with like Mr. Sinister on turn six. I'm like, Shaw is the card that can go, because the stack also has Zabu. I didn't want to get rid of any of my forecast synergy cards, um which, and you know, because Galacta's in here, obviously Gwenpool. There's no cards above four in this stack. It's Gwenpool, Galacta, and Scarlet Spider and Captain Marvel for your Zabu synergy. And then um everything else wants to buff or be buffed. And that is, Adini did have
02:04:20
Speaker
Agony still has great synergy with Lasher, so it was really good replacement. What I love about Agony with Galacta is how you can placeholder that power to put on to Scarlet Spider next turn. Like a lot of times I'll just, or sometimes I'll even just play out Agony early, and then I just won't play that in that lane again. Just be like, I'll just wait till I can play the Scarlet Spider draw or whatever. Anyway.
02:04:44
Speaker
So that's what I played with. The other cards in the deck that have been unmentioned are Grandmaster. um Just Grandmaster. Because I don't know, Grandmaster's fun. I love doubling up on stuff. It's probably a card that could go for a similar card.
02:04:59
Speaker
But, you know, it was indeed fun. Still kind of similar slight issue where like, you know, you're playing lasher in turn six, you're not getting to do anything with him. But I thought he has a great sub for shot in this stack. And like, you know, occasionally it's very big and it's really fun to hit like an Iron Man or whatever but with a really huge lasher.
02:05:27
Speaker
um so yeah you know I think him for Shaw is really interesting because Shaw is always plus two, but Lasher is times two for any buffs you give him. So like, Lasher is better for big buffs like Galactus. Yep, better for a Galactus buff, worse for an Aranya buff.
02:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, I know. I felt very proud. I looked at the second lintons. That's the perfect sub. Not even like putting in a lesser card. And Shaw is so awkward to play. Like I said, with a second, oh, i I did mention there's a Mr. Sinister in it, right? So a lot of times, you know, you um if you got a Zabu off, sometimes you could play Shaw in something else, but anyway.
02:06:06
Speaker
Yeah, okay, so that was my deck, the new homework. The new homework is inspired this week by Marvel Champions, which I played on my board game of Tree. As I mentioned, um I played mini decks, but also my Nebula deck.
02:06:21
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And the thing about Champions is it has such great theme because like you play a character card and it has an alias side and hero side that you flip between that has unique powers. And then it comes with a deck that is required to be played with a character that's small, and then you deck build um from different kind of archetypes.
02:06:42
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And cards can have allies, right? You're mostly beefing up your character. You can summon other characters to help you in the very cost. And your your deck also comes with, like, a Nemesis deck. So it's a co-op game, and the enemy cards can require you to pull out your Nemesis and add it to the deck. And a great thematic thing about Nebula is that Gamora is an ally of Nebulas and also her Nemesis.
02:07:11
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Oh, that's cool. So if your nemesis gets called and played, you have to discard your Gamora ally. It happened to me. It was such a nightmare. I'm like, oh, I can't play Gamora anymore. is it was just It's just always said to the whole game we were joking about, like, Nebula and Gamora, like, fighting. So thinking of making a Marvel snap more thematic and not duplicating patch challenges, I was thinking, why don't you come up with an imbalance patch?
02:07:39
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That you know is I think cuz like that's how we had like an x-men theme, you know We got some cards to be synergistic that weren't before so that is what I want come up with a thematic Imbalanced patch to tie some cards together yeah Great I like it that it sounds like i've already got some thoughts. Yeah, I have none I But I will get there. Honestly, neither yet. It's OK. Open-ended is great. um and And that is that's a great idea for homework that we have not touched yet. um If you like what you heard, like, comment, subscribe, follow, get on the Discord, et cetera.
Closing and Personal Story
02:08:23
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If you want to try to figure out how to do that, we would we would love to have you there. It's just a little tricky. But there are instructions in the show notes or the video description.
02:08:32
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um By the way, if you're not watching this on YouTube, we're there. And if you're not listening to this in your podcast player, we're there. Not that you have to listen to it in both places, but like whatever suits you. But you could. We're there. For what it's worth, I only watch i only watch in one place.
02:08:50
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um ah We're part of the Snap Judgments Network, where you can listen to other great shows like Snap Judgments, our grandpa with Pulse Glazer and Roy on Saturdays, where they talk to you know various members of the Snap community. ah Yeah. So next week, we're going to talk about Red Wing, see if we like him, see if we can figure out something cool to do with him. And if you want to see if we did, you should tune in. Same Snap time, same Snap channel.
02:10:29
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let you go, but can I hear just like a super brief version about how your organ retreat went? Oh, okay, the cabin? Okay, so it was it was a really great place except for like this is the people's like hunters' trophy room. And as you can imagine, it's a vegetarian. I'm not a huge fan of hunting at all.
02:10:51
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poverty No wall was was not covered in deer heads. They counted it up. There was like 47. There was a giant stuffed bear. You had to kind of like get around to get into the bathroom. There's two like giant half deers on pillars. Everywhere I went and like sometimes when you're a little fucked up and there's a bunch of dead animals staring at you, it's terrifying.
02:11:13
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Random schools everywhere. It was like, who are these people? We made, we invented a thing where it was like there, this was really a cult and every deer head was actually like a sack, every time a sacrifice was made in a cult, a new deer head appeared in the cabin. So it was a great time. We played a lot of board games. I had fun.