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Daredevil: Born Again Series Breakdown | Fantastic 4: First Steps Full Trailer Reaction
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In today's episode, Rodney and Melody discuss Daredevil : Born Again. They give their complete thoughts and feelings of the show. Where did the show shine? Where did it drop the ball? What do they think is going to happen in Season 2. They also chat about the Full trailer to Fantastic 4: First Steps. We also answer a very important question....is jonathan bailey just as famous as Pedro Pascal... you don't want to miss it.
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Background
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everyone and welcome back to the Beyond the Shot podcast. I am your host, ah Melody, and... Hi, I am your co-host, Rodney. and Welcome to movie phone. I know. Welcome to movie phone. If anyone's old enough to know what movie phone is.
00:00:16
Speaker
Did I just date myself? Oh, my God. You sure did. But also, like, if there's anyone from another country, they might not know who it is, what movie phone is. But speaking of ah things from the past, many people who listened to our first podcast did not know how Rodney and I knew each other.
00:00:34
Speaker
Which is really funny because we thought we like chatted about it or that people would just like, i don't know, assume that we were family. But Rodney and I are cousins. Both of our moms are sisters.
00:00:45
Speaker
And we pretty much grew up together. Rodney is like my brother. We are pretty much siblings. We grew up together. he was in the Bronx. I was in Queens. Every weekend we went up there and i you know, as a little kid annoyed the living shit out of Rodney and it was a good old time. But now that we are much older, we're in the same headspace, but you know, we've always, you know, really loved each other and we just really, we grew up together. He's my, he is my brother basically.
00:01:15
Speaker
And um we just always watched movies together. and all the time. All the time. And TV shows, like I still, like we would introduce to each other like different shows that we were watching. Like Rodney, I think you remember you showed me 24 for the first time. I still remember that moment.
00:01:35
Speaker
I remember your room in that apartment. Like I feel like it's like crystal clear is still in my memory. Like when he talked told me about this like amazing concept of a show. Oh, my God. It was. Yeah. it was I still have, like, I don't know. I have that memory. like It's a core memory. I introduced you to The Office.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, and The Office. But it took me a while to, like, I didn't actually, like, fun fact. like I remember you talked about The Office. That was so so long ago. I can't really remember. But I watched The Office a
Fan Expo Experiences and Speculations
00:02:05
Speaker
little bit. But I didn't get into it.
00:02:07
Speaker
A lot. I kind of didn't really like, I was like, oh yeah. Well, cause the humor was, the humor was very adult. And I think at the time you were in high school maybe. So it was, it was a little more, the the humor was more highbrow, more adult, but then it was also silly. Yeah. like Yeah.
00:02:27
Speaker
It's not like now I feel like now in my, I watched the office for the full complete time, like during COVID. So Like that's now where I'm like, oh my God, like I understand it. Like I get the show, but back then, yeah. Like I was like, oh yeah, I'll watch the show, but it was, it didn't like, I guess it didn't resonate with me really quickly. no no i can't remember. Um, but I did get you into supernatural that Yeah, you did. you got that i was like why I was like, you have to watch the show. The show is wild. And I'm like, ah I don't know, because it was on... was it It was the CW already at that point, right? Yeah, it was the CW. Yeah, and you're like, I don't know. It's the CW. And i was like, no, no, you got to watch it. It's like really good.
00:03:05
Speaker
And then we were hooked on it, and we watched it. ah we watch We watched it all the time. It was like our thing. was. And then, yeah, we we we we we did that. And I think I remember it was during um that time also that...
00:03:21
Speaker
Rock Band or Guitar Hero came out and they had Carrie on My Wayward Son on it and we would play it yeah Oh my God. We would play it on Guitar Hero or Rock Band, whichever it was, all of the time because we were like, oh my God, it's Supernatural.
00:03:35
Speaker
ah What a time. It was Rock Band. was rock yeah It was It was, um yeah, man. I mean, I credit you you. You introduced me to, you brought that show on to me and and I was very skeptical about it and And i was just like, I don't know. And the funny thing is, I was like, I don't if it's going to last, you know, CW. It lasted 15 years. It lasted a very, very long time. Oh my God. Wild. It's so crazy. It is so crazy that that show ended up lasting as long as it did. I mean, they had a following.
00:04:06
Speaker
They had a following. I have a friend right now who she is completely, she is obsessed with Supernatural. She's watched the whole show like multiple times. She knows all about it. She... She paid, um ah i don't know if I, I think I mentioned it to you, Ronnie. I went to the fan expo here in Vancouver and Jerry Padalecki and a lot of the cast were here. Jensen asked just Jensen Ackles, not, but she paid the like 200 whatever dollars to get her picture with Jared Padalecki.
00:04:34
Speaker
That's how, that's like my, like what I would pay if I was going to take a picture with the Orlando Bloom. I'm still holding out for Orlando Bloom at one of these fan expos. I am. That's going to gonna go with the um someone They generally always have someone from Lord of the Rings.
00:04:48
Speaker
This year they had Andy Serkis and John Rhys-Davies. That's a good one. And the year before they had, when I went the first time, they had Elijah Wood, which I thought was really cool.
00:04:59
Speaker
That is cool. Yeah, I think if they had like... um Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd and also Elijah Wood, I think I would probably shell out for i would shell out for the photo if all three of them were there. But they all three have never they do all three in like other places, but they haven't done the all three here.
00:05:15
Speaker
Well, aren't we approaching the 20th anniversary of Lord of the Rings? Or did we pass it already? No. When did it come out again? 2001. we're approaching the 24th.
00:05:29
Speaker
orf Yeah, not 25. Next year. Next
Podcast Origin and Entertainment Industry Background
00:05:33
Speaker
year. So next year, expect to see a lot of that. You might be surprised. Next year might be the year where maybe you say, okay, I got to fly out to this place because...
00:05:42
Speaker
these guys are all going to be together for this panel. that's what it could be really cool. That would be awesome. like Revisit that whole thing, being it's 25 years later. think that would be really dope. That would be really dope. It would be, yeah.
00:05:54
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But listen, let's bring it back to us. Yeah, let's bring it back to us. Mel is my cousin, but she's more like my sister. We grew up together. We loved movies. We had this love for... for movies together and it was something that always brought us together. We do movies, shows, just the entertainment business in general.
00:06:12
Speaker
And that's how this idea of this podcast was born because we would have these awesome conversations yeah on the phone and we'd always say, man, this would make a great podcast. And Hey, listen, it's here now.
00:06:24
Speaker
So enjoy it. Enjoy. You're fly in the wall of this conversation. Yeah, because like Rodney said, we literally like, we would just call each other and talk for like an hour about like all the movies we watched. Like it had, it could be like a couple months later and we would get on the phone and we would be like, oh, I saw this. I saw this. I saw this. And then we're like chatting for like an hour just straight about the movie industry and about everything we watched.
00:06:45
Speaker
Or we would be texting like, hey, I just saw this. Rodney was sending an audio message and we would just like, that was like, that's always been story. our thing so we were like yeah let's make a podcast and and it's fun and it's super fun it's just something we will all already do as just like normally in life so like why not share it with the world yeah let's bring people into this conversation and and let them listen in on on two people who love and have a passion for movies and shows and the entertainment business yeah and then and another thing that we also have
00:07:19
Speaker
you know, with our own backgrounds, it's like I, you know, I have an acting background. Rod was always interested in directing and film. That was like something. Production and all that. and production. You've always been very interested in that when you were in school.
00:07:32
Speaker
So, like, that's why when we watch movies, sometimes we just see them in very different, you know, ways. Like, I might just have noticed the acting a little bit more than I noticed the directing aspect or the production or whatever. um I think now that I'm older, I think i do see things a little bit more from all angles.
Fantastic Four Trailer Discussion
00:07:51
Speaker
But obviously the first is always like, I'm always going to be like very like into the person's acting or, or yeah, pretty much. that' That's always like what I'm drawn to first is like the, what they brought to the scene or the movie as a whole.
00:08:04
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Ah, so we, before um deciding to get on here today, ah some little, we got a little, little drop from Disney. Yeah. i drop I was expecting last week, Disney. i mean what Couldn't you drop this last Friday? I mean i think it would have been perfect. yeah you know when they you know In our last episode, if you had listened to that one, we talked about like today would have been the best day. It's the fourth of the... what button and and It didn't happen. and ah yeah but It happened this morning about like half an hour before recording. I was working Ride's like
00:08:38
Speaker
They dropped the trailer for Fantastic Four, the first steps. I have now watched it about three times while I was on the treadmill because was like, I really got to take this in because I was like, so like, oh my God, this is not what I was expecting because i i just i didn I didn't know what this movie was going to be. aye had no idea what this movie was going be I'm still like, okay, so, is there okay, whatever, we'll talk about it, but um I will go first. I'll tell you my my initial thoughts here before I know you'll have lots to say.
00:09:09
Speaker
Probably more than me because, you know, a little bit more. ah Pretty much I got really, I did get very excited for this. I was very, I got music. I was like, Ooh, okay.
00:09:20
Speaker
I'm feeling things. This is, this looks good. I'm very, very excited. um the The feel of it is very like a la sixties, right?
00:09:31
Speaker
Yeah. A la sixties, I would say. um And the chemistry between everyone looks very good. Solid. Yeah, it looks solid. I like that we kind of got little glimpses of each character and kind of like what they're going to bring.
00:09:47
Speaker
These actors will bring. I thought that Joseph Quinn sounded really great as a Johnny Storm. I thought that was great. um Pedro Pascal, my my honey.
00:09:59
Speaker
I feel like they, I don't know what it is, but I feel like he almost looks younger. Like they, they like made him look younger. And I don't know. Which funny. Which is funny. Cause he's, he's playing the, the, he's the oldest character there in terms of the character he's playing. And I think he's a, he's a grown man. yeah Yeah. Yeah. He's a grown man. He's not like Johnny. Who's a young man.
00:10:20
Speaker
um or Ben who's like, well, Ben is more like closer to maybe his age to, to, to, um, to Mr. Fantastic's age. But, but yeah, I see what you did. But then again, we're so used to seeing, know, especially now with, with last us, we're used to seeing Joe where he's like, you know, yeah, like he, a seasoned man. Yeah. I guess that's what it is. Like it's throwing me off because I keep seeing him in so many different characters because he is so popular right now. Like,
00:10:45
Speaker
and He isn't this year. He's like also he's right now is like on a Jonathan Bailey track like he is in absolutely everything like if you're not seeing Pedro Pascal on something. no No, no, no, no, no. You're saying it wrong. You're saying it wrong.
00:10:57
Speaker
Jonathan Bailey is in a Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal is more in more things. Oh, well, yes. Yes. yeah I know you like Jonathan Bailey, but but he's not there yet. Not there yet. Not Relax. Yeah.
00:11:10
Speaker
I guess it's just because I'm thinking like, cause right now you don't know what, but Jonathan Bailey is like on Broadway, right? Like, so he does a lot of like West end theater and he does that for like three months. I saw the, I saw the image by the way of that of him on the stage or something. Oh man, I would have, I would have loved to see him in that, but, um,
00:11:27
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I guess yeah I understand what you're saying. um But yeah, so Pedro is in pretty much everything, but he is in like so many different ages. And the last thing that... The last thing I'm seeing him in is the last of us right now. And it's like... He looks so old that when I see him as Mr. Fantastic, I'm like...
00:11:44
Speaker
I'm like, what's going on? It's like throwing me off. But he looks great. i We got finally got to see the stretching situation. Yeah, I like it. Because it looks good. you know, the glimpse we got. But we I'm glad we finally got it.
00:11:58
Speaker
um I did not. I kind of forgot about the Silver Surfer situation. Because it had been pretty... kind of It wasn't, but it was. It wasn't, but no one talked about it. The only thing I remember it being like drama, of course, because they're like, oh, they made her a woman.
00:12:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's the That whole thing. That's the thing. i mean, you can't even freaking tell on this. Like, it's just, they're not human. Like, what does it matter if they're a male or a female? Does it matter to the story? I don't know.
00:12:25
Speaker
i don't I don't know. I know there there is a female Silver Surfer, so it's not like their gender. Yeah, in the comic book there has been, so it's not like their gender whatever swapping, but I think maybe a lot of people would have wanted the Silver Surfer, the regular Silver Surfer, the first Silver Surfer who was a male to be male.
00:12:46
Speaker
I guess that's some people wanted, it but I don't know. I mean, ah the way I look at it is, listen, you're getting a Silver Surfer who is vital to... you know, that world of the Fantastic Four.
00:12:58
Speaker
Let's see how it plays out. Yeah. And I mean, isn't it... ah What's her name?
00:13:04
Speaker
I know the actress. I'm just... She's amazing. From Ozark. I never saw Ozark. You've never seen Ozark? Oh, wow. I don't know. I'll be honest with you.
00:13:15
Speaker
ah Yeah, and I like those type of like shows, but that one for some reason never... Never called into you. It never pulled me in It's a hard one to watch. It's, it's, it's, it's, no, i wouldn't.
00:13:28
Speaker
It's a hard one to watch. Cause it's just, it's like just always really sad. Like mean it's just like one of those shows. Like you can never, it's not a chipper show. So you, when you watch it, kind of like, I guess kind of like the last of us right now. Right. It's like just those shows that you kind of have to go in with a very, like, this is a very serious shit's going to go down. It's never going to be happy.
00:13:47
Speaker
Like, you know and i saw I saw Narcos. I saw all so all seasons of Narcos. You can't get more serious and darker than that. That shit was... Because that's real life. Narcos is something that actually happened. That's why people tell me about... that yeah exactly. And that's why people tell me like, oh, you know, I'm surprised you didn't see ah Ozark because there is some like drug trafficking yeah similarities into it. But I i don't know.
00:14:08
Speaker
And I like to Justin Bateman, but I don't know. so I just... Something about it didn't... Jason Bateman, it didn't really... um Pull me in. Pull you in, yeahp yeah. But anyway. um But yeah, Dashi's in it. I think we got gal Galactus. Is that his name?
00:14:24
Speaker
Yes. Are they connected? Or are they two separate things? Silver Surfer and Galactus, are they connected? From my thing is, I think Galactus uses Silver Surfer as a that's what as a soldier of some sort. Maybe that's like he uses Silver Surfer as like a, um how do I say?
00:14:45
Speaker
ah a conduit to like, if you saw in the trailer, I'm not spoiling anything, the trailer, you know, Silver Surfer literally comes up and says, oh, like, you know. Your world has been. Your world is. Yeah. So I think that's what Galactus does. He uses Silver Surfer as a way of introducing letting the world know, listen, you know, your time is up.
00:15:03
Speaker
I'm coming through. Yeah, he's a little like a soldier. yeah Yeah, like a soldier or like a or general of some type. you know i'm Again, I'm not familiar too much on on um this world like that.
00:15:15
Speaker
I'm familiar with certain things, not everything. So i' I'm going in as green or as a rookie as you are, Mel, when it comes to certain characters. But that's what makes it exciting for me because I'm getting to see this... I for the first time, but I'm getting reintroduced to everything.
00:15:29
Speaker
So I'm excited about that. um And I like that. I i like that. i love I love the Galactus. I love that last shot. When I that last shot of the foot walking, I was like, this is director that knows what he's doing.
00:15:42
Speaker
Because one of my biggest, biggest, biggest, biggest pet peeves is when... In a movie or in a show, they introduce something that's supposed to be big. Something that's supposed to be massive, right?
00:15:56
Speaker
And directors, they, for some reason, they shoot this big object from a perspective where it doesn't look big. I know it's big because I'm supposed to, as an audience member, think it's big.
00:16:09
Speaker
But when you shoot it, it doesn't look big. So the fact that you see this huge foot come in and it just encompasses the whole screen, And it gives it scale. That's what I'm trying to say. Like, it gives it scale. Like, um obviously, would the master that did this first was Steven Spielberg in the first Jurassic Park. He gave he gave the dinosaur scale. Scale, yeah. like you just used new... now you You already know what dinosaur was big, but the way he shot it, the way he introduced it the screen, like, when the Tyrannosaurus Rex came out the first time, you know, the way the Tyrannosaurus, like, kind of just took over the screen. Yeah.
00:16:47
Speaker
without little space up top or anything, you knew it was like, okay, this thing is big, it's intimidating. While on the exact opposite in the new Jurassic Park movies, um the Jurassic World movies, the director kind of did the opposite and it made it made them feel small for some reason. um didn it didn't It didn't come off as big to me. Okay. um But then another guy that did it great was ah the master Guillermo del Toro. He did it in Pacific Rim. That's the first thing I was about was Pacific Rim.
00:17:15
Speaker
To this day, the first i saw that and I saw that on IMAX, and to see these huge robots and kaiju monsters fighting, and it just i' i some to this day, i'm like I'm like, how did you shoot this?
00:17:28
Speaker
Because you made me feel like this was huge. It looked big. this and and And what he did was he had these huge buildings, and he had these robots next to him, and it's just like it gave it scale.
00:17:39
Speaker
And you could see that the director of this movie did the same thing. And again, I'm just looking at it from just a foot perspective, which I loved. I love that. I love that shot. And, and you know what, Mel, um'm I'm going to give you my quick thoughts on this trailer.
00:17:53
Speaker
And, but let me just say this. And I know they're not going to do it, but I don't want another trailer. Don't give me any more trailers. This did everything for me. This gave me everything I needed to know. It gave me everything I needed in terms of what this movie is about, what I'm supposed to expect.
00:18:06
Speaker
It gave me everything. I don't want another trailer. This did everything to me right. It established the family. It established that, that, um, that, um, uh, Mrs. Fantastic is pregnant.
00:18:21
Speaker
Well, that was, that's not, cause remember that was, that that was the thing that they, yeah, yeah. You were going say, yeah, yeah. That people were like, oh, she's pregnant in that shot and they're editing it. Is that you're going to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was those things on that episode. I'm glad that they're not like hiding it. They're kind of just putting out, they're like, oh yeah, you know you're late. Which I'm fine with. and Maybe there might be some people that would be like, oh, I wish they would have just kept it for the movie.
00:18:41
Speaker
What's the big deal with her being pregnant? Is there something with a baby? Is the baby important? um frank was't ah Franklin Richards is the Yeah, I think you're right. He sounds that's familiar.
00:18:53
Speaker
Reed the dad. Reed is the dad. Franklin is like one of the most powerful... um characters in the Marvel Universe um ah from from my understanding. does he have powers?
00:19:06
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has powers. i'm I'm not exactly sure where they go, but I think there's a ah psychic kind of ability thing there. So maybe on the level of ah of a Professor X or a Jean Grey type thing, but he's supposed to be super duper powerful.
00:19:22
Speaker
um so he's he's a very important character uh which maybe gives us a little insight into what maybe where things are going in the mcu you know especially with the with the um x-men coming into play soon um what else i was gonna say about this trailer i i just and i enjoyed the i enjoyed the vibe i like the um the presence of the trailer i enjoyed the message and again i've spoke to as we spoke on the last episode about how i felt about superman and how superman is a movie that It's about hope and it's about all these things. Got it.
00:19:52
Speaker
yeah And the way the trailer ends, before the the the Galactus footstep, we have Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastics, look into the screen and say, we will protect you. like those are See, these are little things that movies do to keep to give us, the audience, the sense of like, wow.
00:20:12
Speaker
Because right now, again, we're in a world where, you know, things aren't peachy. And you have this character who's the most important character in this movie come across and tell you, we will protect you. it's it's There's just a thing. There's a psychological thing.
00:20:28
Speaker
that I think does it does something to the audience. And then you have, obviously, Pedro Pascal, who's a guy who's pretty much beloved right now and in in in movies and in shows and entertainment, say these words. That means something.
00:20:42
Speaker
So i I liked it, man. I liked the beat for beat, the way the trailer played out. I liked the sense of wonder. it seems like it's a world that loves the fantastic four and cares for them.
00:20:54
Speaker
At least that's what it comes off as. um You know, we don't know where the twist is going in it. You know, we don't know, yeah but that's fine because that's what the movies, that's what the movie is trying to portray. It's a different time. It's not a time where where it's now where it's like, you know,
00:21:08
Speaker
Maybe people are little more jaded by technology. Yeah. And I guess that's like what I'm really intrigued in knowing is like, or finding out or or whatever. Right. Because this movie clearly does take place in the past.
00:21:23
Speaker
Right. You know, when you've seen like when the fantastic four movies, the old ones came out. Right. yeah It was just like present day. Right. So I wonder how this movie plays in with like the, ah like, is this before you know, things that we've seen. Is this a different universe?
00:21:42
Speaker
You know, i and i don't know if they're going to cover these things, but it's just something like, I wonder because I'm like, oh, well this movie clearly takes place in the six. It's clearly the sixties, even though it has a futuristic vibe with the robot kind of in a way, but i don't know if it's just cause they're smart. They just created a robot. Right. That kind of stuff.
00:21:58
Speaker
Yeah. So very, I like Jetsons, right. The cartoon. It gave me a lot of Jetson vibes. Jetson. It's very Jetsons. And it's cool. i really don't mind that at all. And, um,
00:22:09
Speaker
So I just wonder, like, is especially because we're um with the Galactus thing, right?
Daredevil Show Review
00:22:15
Speaker
and is Is the Galactus a Celestial? He's a, I think he's considered a celestial. yeah Right. Yeah. So like so that yeah in this and eternals is like, you know, eternals was the first time we found out what a celestial was, right. Or what, you know, there's a one that's in the frozen, right. Like, yeah so is this all before that? Is this in a different universe? Like, i wonder if there is some sort of connection to that in a way, or like how it connects, if it does, or if eternal is just completely, they pretend. I got an answer.
00:22:45
Speaker
I just like, this is not a celestial. He's not. I think there's maybe just a similarities to it. But it's saying he's not a he's not a ah celestial. oh he's you know He's just a character and a very powerful character at that.
00:23:00
Speaker
so Oh, but he's in space, but he's not a celestial. Interesting. Because he's definitely like a space-looking... reaching of sorts. No, no. They're saying he's not a so Celestial. But you know what?
00:23:11
Speaker
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But then again, we don't know how Marvel's going to portray this into the MCU. We don't know. I think a lot of people, I think you're right. I think a lot of people are going to look at Galactus and be like, oh, he looks very similar to the Celestials.
00:23:27
Speaker
Who knows if Marvel says, okay, well, we'll just, you know, we'll do that. Even though i don't think Feige would do that. think Feige does kind of stick to his um his characters and his choices and how they are. So we'll see how it's portrayed. We'll see how it's portrayed. I'm excited.
00:23:42
Speaker
Other words, and i know there I know this is... I also know this movie has is going to connect to the Doomsday or whatever. So looking forward to however that however that plays out. I'm very excited.
00:23:53
Speaker
I was wondering, though. i They wouldn't do it. But you know how at the end of the trailer went dark for a second? i was like, ah they are they? Oh, oh. I kind of had the thought too.
00:24:04
Speaker
I was like, is this Doom reference? yeah Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Is it a Doom reference? But then we saw the foot stomp, but I was like, okay, good. All right, fine. Because because i was like I was like, I don't think they would do that because I think the Doom reveal you have to. I'm not going to say you have to because I thinks it's clear i think it's clear there's going to be a post credit and it has to lead into.
00:24:24
Speaker
um Wait, can i ask you a question? I don't remember. Was anybody from Fantastic Four on the chair reveal for Doomsday, Revengers? Yeah, and they're all there. they' all there? Okay, okay, okay. So, yeah, so then definitely the reveal will probably be in the post-credit. Yeah, it has to be, or the mid-credit or whatever. Mid-credit, yeah. Mariela, when they first introduced Thanos, right? we Yeah, I was think it's going to be, yes.
00:24:46
Speaker
Oh, so there's ah a little, a bad... and A real bad, you know, the puppeteer somewhere. like know This was not the real threat. The real threat is this person or yeah Dr. Doom was connected to Galactus or whatever the hell it was, right? Whatever.
00:25:00
Speaker
yeah I'm wondering though. I'm wondering if if if it's going to be, if it's, I wonder how, but you know what? What if it's not like that? What if there's more of a reveal of Doom within that movie that we don't know about?
00:25:15
Speaker
You know what I mean? like Yeah. I mean, obviously. What if there's more sprinkled in there and we don't have to it for the post credit? That would make me happier. don't care. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. And also, I mean, it's next year, right?
00:25:25
Speaker
2026, that Doomsday comes out, right? is it me I believe so, yeah. It's May of 20... So Memorial Day weekend, 2026, basically.
00:25:36
Speaker
Okay. So almost almost a year from hey from next from next month, a year from then, basically. so I'm telling you, I'm worried, man. I am worried because I just... Are we going to have enough time to establish everything need to establish?
00:25:53
Speaker
Well, that's actually a valid thought because after Fantastic Four... There's nothing, right, in the lineup? disney Disney Plus shows.
00:26:04
Speaker
That's about it. So like Daredevil. Which we're going to talk about today. Ironheart thing that's coming out, but i don't know how well where that plays. That show's still happening?
00:26:16
Speaker
Why did I think that show was was a like we're cutting it? No, that's happening. They shot it already. So it's it's it's it's in the can. and ah i think it's but I think it's supposed to start in June.
00:26:27
Speaker
That, to me, is going to be like another echo where it's kind of like no one's going to really know. and I don't think no one's going to care. don't think anyone's going to care. But, okay, speaking of all these under-the-radar characters, let's talk about Daredevil Spider-Man.
00:26:44
Speaker
Yeah. yeah oh cause that is going to be our main topic today guys so roddy and i have officially we both finished it the season ended this past tuesday ah season I'm very confused before we even go into this because thought this season was supposed to be like 18 episodes or some shit. Remember they released, they were like, oh, this is going to be 18 episodes. We're not shortening it. And then now it's like people are saying like this was like the first half and then like the second season is the other half of like what they wanted to do.
00:27:21
Speaker
So I'm like, okay, so is this a season one? And then there's a season two or is it a season one part one? season i think this is a season one thing and then a season two thing i think that's how it's gonna be okay i'm i'm i was very disappointed because i really wanted this show to be the 18 episodes that they promised me because you know how i what is this this was nine episodes i i hate the world we live in now with this whole eight to ten episodes a season thing like i i i just like I hate it. I absolutely hate that this is how we get TV shows now.
00:27:54
Speaker
Unless we're unlike hbo mac you know like i mean you know that's on Max. excuse me Things like that, okay. But like I don't know. i just i don't i I'm not a fan. I absolutely hate it because i just feel like we rush things.
00:28:11
Speaker
And Marvel does does have the tendency to really rush its shows. not every I think every episode, if you're going to give me eight to nine, less than 10 episodes, every episode should be no less than an hour, and I mean an hour, without fucking 20-minute credits.
00:28:29
Speaker
Like, that is not 45 minutes, but then it's actually 30 because of the credits, right? I despise that. But... Aside from that, um let's talk about our thoughts, our overall thoughts of this season.
00:28:47
Speaker
ah Rodney, I think you were a little bit later. I kind of started right away and i was like, Rod, you got to get on it. It's good. um Because, you know, everyone was, and most of society was a very worried for this show. I don't think anyone went into the show like, you know what? This going amazing. I think people really went in with tiptoeing.
00:29:06
Speaker
Like, ugh. And we know what Marvel can do with shows. They could really F this one up other than Loki, right? Loki still stands as their top show. They know what they're doing when it comes to Loki, that show, the best show of Disney plus has ever put out. It really is for Marvel, for Marvel specifically. Yes.
00:29:24
Speaker
We already know about other shows, but for, you know, for Marvel, it is the top tier show. They know what they're doing there. So with this one, you gotta go in a little bit tippy toe, right? Um, but Rod, what, let let let's just talk first about just overall thoughts before we kind of nitpick a little bit.
00:29:43
Speaker
Um, what were your overall thoughts of the season? I thought it was a good show. I really did. Um, to me, it was, it was a return to form. I think it was as close to the Netflix show as they can get, um, in terms of the vibe.
00:29:58
Speaker
um In terms of the look, i think the look is a I think there are little differences in the look. um Let me see what else. um the the The quality, the acting was obviously top-notch, really, really good.
00:30:13
Speaker
The theme, the thematics were excellent. I think it's a show that speaks about today a lot in terms of the... um you know, the, the policification of that's a word of, of a, of a city, you know, I live in in New York city and ah born and raised.
00:30:34
Speaker
And, you know, you see it all the time with just how things are being handled and done in terms of, uh police and police brutality do police have too much power do they not have enough power it's a it's a it's a great show because it actually does put a mirror to what it is to live in a big city and having to deal with crime and all the little intricacies in between um there are little things that i can nitpick and we'll get into that a little bit later but i think it was good i think it was good i i it's hard for me to pinpoint and compare it to any other season of daredevil
00:31:10
Speaker
um But I was like you said, i was a little worried because, you know, I didn't know what to expect. This is the first time that we see a Disney show be try to be uber violent.
00:31:22
Speaker
And and for the most part, they did a good job in having violence, but they're not showing too much of it. They had... it's it's It's kind of like... i'll I'll do this comparison. It's kind of like what Christopher Nolan did and in the Dark Knight movies where... Especially the Dark Knight where...
00:31:42
Speaker
um where you saw violence, but it wasn't portrayed on screen. Like there was a, there's a shot in, in the dark night where the Joker takes out a shotgun and shoots a cop blank in the face, but you don't see the shot, the cop gets shot or anything. You just, you saw the intention and in daredevil, you saw a lot of intention, but you did see a lot of blood. And I think for Disney, the last two episodes for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:07
Speaker
I think for Disney Plus, they they they kind of wanted to really show... Especially that first episode, which was awesome, by the way, where you saw um Bullseye and and and and Matt Daredevil fight into Josie's barn and make their way up, and then you saw...
00:32:22
Speaker
um Bullseye just knifing everybody. it was just like, I'm like, holy shit, this is crazy. And i was like, well, I guess this is Disney kind of showing, hey, listen, we're going to go there. Yeah, that's what that was. So I think that's what it was in a lot of ways. So they they they they they pushed the envelope, but they held back in certain areas to, you know, when certain violence was happening, it was kind of dark, so you didn't see too much things.
00:32:45
Speaker
But then there was instances where, like, for instance, with the Punisher, it's kind of hard to hide the violent aspect of the person. Yeah, i mean. That's who he is. Yeah, the last episode was pretty violent. Yeah, yeah, that's who he is. So you needed to see that you really couldn't hide it, even though they they did hide a little bit of it, but you needed to see that, which I think worked. I think I really do. I got to give Disney and Marvel Studios credit in regards to how they handled it and how... Because they they were under a lot of pressure. They knew a lot of people loved that Netflix show. And they probably knew that, you know what, we can't do what they did, but we'll try to come as close as they did. I think they did i think they I think they did.
00:33:26
Speaker
I really do. So I think the show was good. I really do. And I'm excited for the the the second season. So what about you, Mel? What did you think of the show? ah Yeah, i pretty much agree with everything you said. um Obviously, I didn't didn' think... I wasn't thinking about the... the like how certain things, what you were saying about the ah violence, how sometimes you could tell, like, oh, we're not going to show too much.
00:33:49
Speaker
I didn't notice that part, but I was like, oh, well when you said it, made sense. But overall, yeah, I do agree. I think I really enjoyed the season. i think almost every episode, I was pretty, like, focused, right?
00:34:04
Speaker
You know, I was very into it. I was, you know, my ja mouth drops. I was very, very... um invested is the word. And that's, that's always to me a good sign because if I start looking at my phone, I'm not invested.
00:34:17
Speaker
So to me, you know, I was always very, very like into it. um Yeah. And like, and it's been a while since I have seen the Netflix series. Right.
00:34:29
Speaker
So, and it's been a long time, but I remember when, I think you were the one who told me, I think you were like, Oh, you should watch daredevil. And I was like, okay. And it was amazing. I remember that first season. I was like, Oh shit, this is good. um But it' been a it's been a while since I've seen the last three seasons from Netflix.
00:34:45
Speaker
um But I still remember like them being very good and them being that like very dark, dramatic kind of feel, which is very, very different for those kind of shows. um And yeah, definitely I think they did a good job of of trying to ah bring that back that sense.
00:35:03
Speaker
Now, I know the first episode, and i don't know if you know about this, about the whole, like, the filming situation, about how, like, the first and the last two episodes were all kind of directed by the same people, and they... Oh, you didn't know this. Okay. No, I did not.
00:35:20
Speaker
Okay, so basically, if you watch the first, the seventh, the first eighth and ninth episode, they're all directed by these two guys. I think it's... I'm going find it right now. let me see. Yeah, forget their names. Justin?
00:35:34
Speaker
Justin something. I forgot. They're directed by these two guys. um But i think what they I think they filmed those three things before they filmed all the middle stuff.
00:35:47
Speaker
The middle stuff is all of like – because what remember at first there was all that thing about Foggy and Karen not being in it? Yeah. That's why I think they did episode one after because they were like, oh shit, we have to bring these people back. How can we- remember that. there was Yeah. Because they weren't supposed to even be in the show. weren't supposed to be in the show and they had already started filming.
00:36:10
Speaker
So I think the show originally was going to be a little bit more of a vibe of the middle, but supposedly a lot of people weren't happy. I think even the actors, um Charlie and Vincent ah were not like- the happiest with the story. And then I think it's when they decided to like change things up a bit. And then they brought in these directors and they brought in, um, foggy and Karen back.
00:36:35
Speaker
Cause why do you think Karen's only in the beginning and in the end? In the end. Yeah. That makes sense. You're right. You're right. You're you know right. I think it's cause I, and and I was overhearing this cause I was listening to some other people talk about it and watching other people's reactions to the show.
00:36:48
Speaker
And a lot of them were saying like, Oh yeah. These middle episodes you could tell. were filmed very differently or had a different vibe or or something was missing compared to the other ones.
00:37:01
Speaker
Wow. I'm pretty sure, I'm almost positive that the first and the eighth and the ninth episode were all directed by the same people. Wow, wow, wow. Okay. Interesting. It was very, it's a very, and and it makes sense because they're like, oh, okay, but then this is good because then that means that if the way episode eight and nine ended, that's the vibe that they're going to continue with, which is good because that is what I think the show was the strongest and where most people think the strongest. I think a lot of people had a little bit um issues in the middle.
00:37:33
Speaker
um which then I think we could just slowly start into the next thing, which is, you know, what didn't work with the show? What did, you know, what parts did we feel were a little bit lacking or or we wish we saw more of?
00:37:46
Speaker
And one of the main complaints, and and I kind of agree with this complaint, is this Muse character and how they were used and how they were, um how do I say,
00:37:58
Speaker
how their character was kind of like introduced and then, then they just killed them. Like I, yeah, that was to me that they dropped the ball that they dropped the ball on this new Heather character.
00:38:11
Speaker
That's with Matt. Yeah. Yeah. Like that character to me felt a little bit, not flat, but I felt like I, when Muse comes to kill her,
00:38:22
Speaker
I didn't feel any like, oh my God, they're coming for Heather. Like I didn't worry about her because I feel like they didn't focus on her relationship with Matt enough for me to care about them as a couple. Like I think it was like,
00:38:37
Speaker
They introduce her, they get together. You see a couple of scenes of them talking about vigilantism. And then all of a sudden, like one episode, she's like, I love you. And he's like i love you back. And i was like, what, how did we get here?
00:38:49
Speaker
I was like, we're living together. what How much time has passed? Like to, me Yeah, you're right. It felt very rushed, like this relationship. But then also like the relationship wasn't tight enough for me to care about why he's just like, you can't work with Fisk or she's in danger and Muse is going to kill her. Like I'm like this.
00:39:07
Speaker
I didn't feel anything. I felt more with, what is his name? Victor, a white tiger, Victor Ayala, think is his name. Victor Ayala and his niece. That character had much more, i was worried for her life.
00:39:21
Speaker
And I don't know what it is. know if it was just her acting. I don't know the like the girl's acting. I'm not sure it was, but like that character and and that, that whole thing. I don't know i felt more connected to you than I felt to, to Heather.
00:39:33
Speaker
And I don't know why I felt that when I just felt like, um I was like, is it just because they didn't do enough to establish this relationship enough to care? So then at the end, when she's just like,
00:39:47
Speaker
Like, so what, now she's working, like, she's going to be on Fisk's side. Like, it it's like, yeah I don't know. I felt like that part was lacking for me. um Just some some things that were rushed. Also with with Muse, the character of Muse, like I mentioned, I feel like that was kind of rushed. They kind of barely, they just gave you kind of glimpses into this random character. Great character, by the way.
00:40:07
Speaker
Great character. Very, like, just... scary. Like I, I actually dug that whole backstory of what he does. Like i was like, that's a serious thing. Like you could do a whole season with this. Yeah. Like he could have been a full, like the whole season could have been a full thing, especially because he's also like somebody who is trained in the martial arts.
00:40:25
Speaker
Right. It gives you a little bit something of like, he's not just somebody dressed up in a costume, right? Like he can defend himself. Also, what's his name? The, I don't know his name, but he's the same guy from Wednesday.
00:40:35
Speaker
Did you notice that the actor? No, i didn't recommend that. Have you seen Wednesday on Netflix? Yes, of course. yeah He's the villain. and wednesday i did I did not put oh because yeah that actor is very good at playing those parts where he's like, Oh, I'm a good guy. And then all of a sudden he turns it on and he's like clearly cuckoo in the head.
00:40:52
Speaker
Right. Um, but that's exactly the character. He, like, not the same exact, but it was very similar in Wednesday. He was the one that like, you didn't think was going to be the the one that was killing everyone that was yeah under the, well, I forgot what he is. A wolf or whatever the fuck it is.
00:41:08
Speaker
Um, Yeah. He's like the villain in Wednesday. So when I saw him in this, I'm like, oh, they saw him in Wednesday and said, you, you're the one for this character. Cause it was like perfect. Um, but yeah, like I just felt like they, they killed him off way too fast.
00:41:25
Speaker
It was just like, oh, he's here. Oh, he kidnapped her. There was also, like, why was he so obsessed with Heather? Like, it came out of nowhere. The only thing you saw was, like, that he can' he went to her book signing thing.
00:41:39
Speaker
And then you never saw him again. And then all of a sudden, like, how many sessions had he had been going to with Heather? and Remind me, was it what was it one episode that he was in and that was it? Or was it, like, two? like as Like, what what do you mean? as His arc.
00:41:52
Speaker
Was it a one-episode arc or was it a two-episode arc? One. It was just all in one episode. Yeah, you see, that's the thing. That's right to me. It was like a blur. It really was a blur. Because you know what's funny is because like you, you said you started watching the show ahead of time of me and it's true.
00:42:10
Speaker
And I was like, okay, i got to kind of binge watch through this thing. So I started watching like a big chunk of episodes. And then I remember there was a lot of controversy on on social media about this character and about like a lot of were because like, man, you wasted such a good character. It's like, okay, well,
00:42:25
Speaker
We're coming up on this episode. and I wanted to see what this was about. And I was like, wow, this guy has a lot of potential. There's a lot of like, there's a lot of, he' you know, it's funny. he's he's he's ah he's He reminds me a lot of a Batman villain. He's very Batman-ish in terms of that villain and and his his thing. of yeah He paints with this victim's blood. Like I was like, that that like that shit is kind of cool because it's it's scary and it's scary and ah in a whole different way. Yeah. from From like a bullseye. You know what I mean?
00:42:53
Speaker
But for for us to have this character for a single episode and then we lose him... Yeah, it does kind of burst the bubble a little bit there because it's like, what are we doing here? This is a guy that you could have stretched it out some more. Oh, absolutely. But why? Because we've only got nine episodes.
00:43:15
Speaker
And the real thing they wanted to do for this whole season, really, you know, like, yeah, they sprinkled in that one villain, but really, they really wanted to set up Fisk, right? Like, okay,
00:43:27
Speaker
Mayor Kingpin, Mayor Fist. like This is where we got to get here. this is the That, I think, was the main thing, the main villain they really wanted to highlight, which is why like those other kind of characters were a little bit disposable, which is unfortunate because they were they could have been a full-on parallel villain. right you You always know that Kingpin is at the top, but there's all there's always this other one that's just kind of...
00:43:53
Speaker
yeah that Daredevil still has to get through. yeah And Kingpin is still doing his Kingpin shit. But i think they were so... It's just great. i mean We all love Fisk. Vincent D'Onofrio is absolutely fantastic this season.
00:44:08
Speaker
um He is so fantastic. When is he not, though? He wasn't in in when they tried to bring him back in Echo and in Hawkeye. I don't blame him for that. i blame i blame the I blame the creatives behind the scenes because that wasn't Wilson Fisk. That was a caricature of Wilson Fisk. That was a different universe. Let's just say a's different universe. so like you know But then it's interesting because in this show, also does, it does say, hey, Echo was a thing, right? The first episode.
00:44:42
Speaker
They did acknowledge Echo. They did acknowledge it. Unfortunately, they did. All right, this is this is my gripe. No, I did not watch Echo. I did not watch. didn't care. I didn't watch Echo. I didn't watch The Hulk.
00:44:53
Speaker
I took my pause from the Marvel show. Echo wasn't bad. I didn't think it was as bad as people thought was. But you just didn't care about the character. It's not needed. It's not needed.
00:45:04
Speaker
It's not a needed show. What's the point of that show? What is the point of that show? It wasn't. you didn't give me shows, give me shows that are vital. Maybe she's going to be part of the army. I don't know. right, so let me. Okay, so now we're going into gripes. Let me go into my gripes. into your gripes. Yeah.
00:45:18
Speaker
um correct I want you to correct me here on things. This show takes place in the current MCU, right? It's not a different timeline. It's not like Earth...
00:45:32
Speaker
No, I'm pretty sure. 616, right? It's that one, right? I'm pretty sure, yeah. Because we saw the episode of of of Mr. Kamala. That was a cool episode, by the way. The bank robbery. The bank one. Yeah, I liked that one.
00:45:43
Speaker
That actually felt like a very self-imposed, kind of a self-contained episode. It didn't feel like it was like... I guess because it took place there. Yeah, like they were all just in one place. Like he never left the band. felt like a filler episode. Like that's the episode. Yeah. That's filler episode. got so But it was a fun little episode. And then it was very Marvel-like because it was like, oh yeah, you know, we're you know my my daughter Kamala. It brought the humor in a little bit because that character is humor. is Yeah, he is. Ms. Marvel, that whole story. Yeah, it's not as serious. It's not as serious. Yeah. yeah So I was like, i was oh yeah, cool. So they did did that.
00:46:18
Speaker
But um what was I getting Okay, so it all takes place in the same universe. I want you to tell me. They showed the skyline a bunch of times, right?
00:46:30
Speaker
The what? Of New York City. They showed the skyline of New York City a lot of times, right? Okay, yeah. Where the hell was Avengers Tower at?
00:46:42
Speaker
But there is no Avengers Tower anymore. There isn't? Didn't the Avengers Tower all that got destroyed? From when? Like in the movie. I don't think they're ever there anymore. They never show the Avengers Tower. it's ah They always show the the the building. The building's there. the building is still there. The building didn't come broken down. The building was always there. I think it was... Matter of fact, I think in the Thunderbolts, um they go to that building again. i think... um'm What's her name? i'm Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character...
00:47:12
Speaker
owns the building. We haven't seen the movie yet. No, I know, but there's a scene where like i think there's a thing. But the building wasn't destroyed. It was still there. So my thing is like my thing is like, where is that? Why isn't that there in the skyline? like Those are little things where i'm just like, I'm like, that's how question myself.
00:47:28
Speaker
like, where does this take place at? Because that was always, a that building was always prominent, even when the Avengers left. it was Because even in in in and in spiderman in the Spider-Man Homecoming, the building was there.
00:47:42
Speaker
Speaking of Spider-Man. Yeah. You know? So, yeah. So that's my thing. It's like, I was like, those are little things where just like, okay, I started to question, where does this take place? But then they would drop little things of, oh, Echo.
00:47:53
Speaker
And then the other thing, you just said the name. Spider-Man. Last we left, Peter Parker. Peter Parker was living in Manhattan. In the same universe.
00:48:07
Speaker
Because we also know that Matt Murdock paid a visit to Spider-Man. Spider-Man, And his aunt. Yeah. You what I mean? So I'm like, okay. So you mean to tell me that we have a blackout and there's chaos happening?
00:48:26
Speaker
What's going on? Where's Spider-Man? And granted, i know i know what I know what people are going to say and people are going to think, well, oh, shit, I can't say this because you're still watching Joker.
00:48:37
Speaker
I mean, um Penguin. But and one of the gripes in Penguin was that they said, it's not spoiler, but one of the gripes in Penguin is, oh, well, there's a lot of stuff happening. Why isn't, where's Batman at?
00:48:48
Speaker
Batman did say, the Batman did say in his movie, Gotham is a big city. I can't be everywhere all at once. So that to me was kind of like his way of saying, like, listen, things are going to go down. I can't be everywhere.
00:49:03
Speaker
I think Spider-Man is a little different in that aspect. Again, he is living in New York City now officially. He left left Queens. And... this there's just chaos happening. with That episode, by the way, that episode was a good episode. ah The blackout thing.
00:49:19
Speaker
It kind of reminded me of The Purge. It was like a little mini Purge. Oh, was very Purge-like. was mini Purge movie within this episode. But I'm just like, I'm like, yo, but Spider-Man lives here.
00:49:30
Speaker
Like, you know, what the hell's going on? Like, where are the other heroes? There are other heroes that live in New in in new York City. He's caged up with Punisher. Because apparently in Marvel, all the heroes live in either Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan. They don't listen to the Bronx because everybody's scared to to the Bronx. Nobody wants to come to the Bronx.
00:49:47
Speaker
I'll tell you one thing. Galactus ain't coming to the Bronx. He's like, hell no. I'm not going to the Bronx. I'm going to the Bronx. And I'm saying this is the Bronx. I love the Bronx. That's where I grew up. But I always say this joke because was yo, Stan Lee's from the Bronx. He couldn't give us one freaking character. Like, what the hell, man?
00:49:59
Speaker
All we got is Joker coming down the steps. That's what we got. But anyway. um Yeah, like i feel like... i feel like um This is supposed to be a shared universe. And i know this is a Daredevil show. I get it.
00:50:12
Speaker
I do. But it's like there's a lot of stuff happening. and and And, yeah, I understand, too, the whole thing of what Wilson Fisk put a law where vigilantes can't, you know, that doesn't stop a vigilante.
00:50:25
Speaker
It doesn't. A vigilante is going to be there to help people no matter what, yeah no matter who's running things or whatnot, especially Spider-Man. Spider-Man, did that's what Spider-Man is about. Spider-Man is, like I'm the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
00:50:37
Speaker
I'm here to help the little guy. Little guy needed help for those, for that, for those 24 hours where shit was hitting the fan and you had cops killing innocent people and putting masks on them, which was a, that scene was crazy. was wild. That was crazy. It was like, oh no, he's a masked vigilante.
00:50:53
Speaker
Yeah, like, those are things like, like that episode was really, really solid, man, because it just, it really showed you the lengths of where Fisk was going with, with what his plan was, but let me just go back to, yeah, let me just go back to the, yeah, no, let me go back to the, to a bit of the grass. So yeah, like i was just, I just kind of felt, cause again, they ended, they also mentioned Kamala and and they had, I'm like, so you're telling us that this is this world.
00:51:18
Speaker
So, you know, you mean to tell me that there's no other hero that can come in and like, yo, you know, I know shit is going crazy. Let me, you couldn't freaking get like Kate Bishop to just show up and push,
00:51:29
Speaker
You know what I mean? like Oh, yeah. She lives in Manhattan. She lives in New York. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's true. That is true. Yeah, man. I'm just kind of like... ah umm And that's what makes... Once we start getting into these, right? Because of the whole... And we talked about this in the last episode with the whole like... the the The world is now open, right? We know all these characters exist. He's got a lot of toys in his sandbox, right?
00:51:57
Speaker
Before... You know, no one would have thought about all these because these shows weren't a thing. We didn't we didn't acknowledge them. So it was like, oh, no, Daredevil. I mean, we knew about Spider-Man, but, like, it was just like, yeah, this is Daredevil lives here, right?
00:52:10
Speaker
Like, when I was watching the Marvel, when I watched it on Netflix, I was never like, where Spider-Man? Like, I was like... Because we knew it was a separate thing. Yeah, like, it was a separate thing. But now that it's not separate...
00:52:22
Speaker
yeah I do agree. They do run into this issue where it's like, so Daredevil lives in the most popular city where all these other superheroes live and nobody's here to help. Like, like exactly. like where was Spider-Man during all this? Was he like on a mission in, in some other, like and in a movie, a kid somewhere else?
00:52:40
Speaker
It was a blackout in New York city. that's That's more than a cause of, like, alarm there. Like, you gotta be kidding me there. Like, there's more going on. I think, obviously, like, the issue with that is, like, you know,
00:52:56
Speaker
once you have all these other characters, then you also have to then be like, alright, well, do these actors want to come in and do episodes and dare... it just it it Then it becomes isn' it a Daredevil show anymore because let's say spider ah Tom Holland pops out at the end of the season. You'd be like, what the fuck?
00:53:12
Speaker
yeah It'd be cool, but you would be like... Yeah, but you know what though, man? I don't know. i I feel like I don't know what I think. I don't buy that. To me, that's that's an excuse.
00:53:23
Speaker
This is Marvel. This is the MCU. They've trained us to think this way. So you can't use that excuse of like, oh, well, is it a Daredevil show? Fucking Civil War, Captain America Civil War had, it was pretty much, that it wasn't even, I love how they love to say, oh, it's a Captain America film. No, that's Avengers 2.5.
00:53:43
Speaker
Because that was pretty much just an Avengers movie. You had all those characters. That was not a Captain America movie. So like my thing is like, you don't have that. That's true. That's true. or excuse You said it 110%. You can't say any better than that.
00:53:57
Speaker
This is a city that is just full of superheroes, whether they're vigilantes, whether they're like meta metaphysical, meta powered individuals are people from another planet. This is an island that's full of island of Manhattan has the most superheroes according to the Marvel universe.
00:54:12
Speaker
So you couldn't, you, you, you seriously seriously telling me, oh yeah, Spider-Man couldn't pop in. Or like I said, a lesser hero. Y'all kind of got Kate Bishop in there. You could have got somebody else in there. You what I'm saying? Like, like, okay, let me, let me just, let me just, I want to, I'm going to flash forward. I'm going to push forward to the end of the, to the end of the episode where Karen is talking to Matt and he's like, oh, we got to build an army, but blah, blah, blah. Oh shit. Okay.
00:54:34
Speaker
And that's what I was like. Oh, are we going to reveal something? Yeah. Open up this door, man. And I'm just seeing like, Josie and a few other the cops, a lawyer. I'm like, what fuck is this?
00:54:46
Speaker
I was expecting to see the defenders there. Dead ass. I was like, yo, I'm i'm hoping I saw Luke Cage in there. Freaking Moon Knight. I know I didn't finish seeing movement. I see um um What's her name? um Jessica Jones.
00:54:59
Speaker
Jessica Jones. Iron Fist, even though everybody hated him. You could have got Iron Fist. Oh my God. that Yo, you see that right there? Now that I'm thinking about it? They could have got Iron Fist. Nobody, hate yeah, people hate it, but think of the redemption arc that I could have done when you brought him back to play that character and he could have done some cool shit in this episode.
00:55:19
Speaker
I think it could have worked. I think it would have, I think it would have, but point is like, my point is like, like, yo, there was mad, there was just madness happening. And yeah, people say, oh, well, the character that we got was Punisher. He was the one that, that, that, that did it. And it's true.
00:55:34
Speaker
We did get Punisher and he did have his Punisher moments. you know, really cool action sequence in the apartment. um I do love him. I love John Berthold as the Punisher. You know what's funny with John Bertholdo? Like, I don't know how you feel about it.
00:55:49
Speaker
He is one of these actors that I think he's much better in spots. than he is like a whole thing. What you mean by Scott's person? Because he always does really well, like in kind of like in small areas, in small roles.
00:56:03
Speaker
like i Like a full thing with him, i don't know I don't know if it works as well as him in a contained kind of like like cameo or like one episode appearance thing. You know what I'm saying?
00:56:15
Speaker
Granted, I never saw the Punisher show, so I don't know. I didn't watch the- I didn't see the Punisher show. Do you mean like as an actor or do you mean as this character? I think in a lot of in a lot of his stuff that he does, he's he's like, I think when he's not the main character, when he's the side character, he's he just brings it.
00:56:31
Speaker
I feel like- Well, actually, I don't think I've ever seen him as the lead in anything. There you go. i think i think I think directors see that. They kind of like see like, oh, you know, you you bring this really energy, this prominent energy.
00:56:44
Speaker
And he does. he does it with Frank Castle. um the Punisher. So, I mean, granted, listen, we did we did get the assistance there. I think I answered my own question in that. I said we kind of did get Punisher, but I just feel like it's still a cop-out. I feel like you could ah you could have brought more in there. like yeah and You don't even need to put the focus. like They could have literally done it when didn't have to focus on it. they you can like You could have had, like, like when when the when Fisk was in in his office and and and people were talking and give them giving updates, it could have been like, oh, we have, you know, blah, blah, blah is is putting up a front in
00:57:17
Speaker
in Washington Heights or somebody else is putting a front in Harlem. Like you could have done things like that. And it could have, I feel like it could have filled it in more. it could have been like, oh, okay, well there's other, they're establishing this other heroes. But for me to, for you not to hear a peep about other heroes, I just kind of found it kind of fraudy.
00:57:34
Speaker
I was yeah. I i am i am laughing a little bit at what you said. About what? When the doors opened and it was like, Joe's. Yo.
00:57:45
Speaker
yeah Everybody said that same thing though. Everybody said the same thing. This is like Josie behind the bar. I mean, Josie, what are you going to do? Okay. Oh, sorry. This was another another character that I felt was very underutilized.
00:57:58
Speaker
The lawyer. The black girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who was Foggy's love interest, I think. Is that who she... I have no idea. It seemed like they were hooking. She could have not been in this season and I would not have missed her.
00:58:10
Speaker
What did she bring? Every episode, the only thing she did was like, Matt, what's going on with you? You're not showing Isn't she the co-head of the of the firm that Matt merged into? but like, merged why... Okay, then that was another thing. It's like, but it's kind of like the Heather thing.
00:58:25
Speaker
Why is he working with her? I don't know anything about you. I don't care about you. Like, who are you? What is your actual relationship with Matt? Honestly, I would have loved if it was revealed that she was a bad guy and she was working with Vanessa or what, some shit like that. I don't know.
00:58:44
Speaker
That's kind of, you know, ah for a second there, that's what, that it gave me that I was like, oh shit. So maybe that, I think that would have worked actually a lot better. It was this the scene when Matt realized that Fonky was- Vanessa was the one.
00:58:57
Speaker
No, it was no no not necessarily that, but it was before that, before he thought it was Vanessa, when he was when Josie talked about the drink and he was like, oh, he was celebrating. And out of the fact that they made an emphasis on that, he was talking to her made me think that she had something to do with me too. i was Like, oh shit, is she a villain or is she working with somebody? That would have worked better for me.
00:59:20
Speaker
You would understand like why there hasn't been so much of a focus on her, but the fact that they didn't focus on her the entire season. i agree. It was like a wasted character.
00:59:31
Speaker
And yeah you saw when we got Karen back, it all made sense. We're like, oh, this is why you have to have Karen. You have to have Karen. She brings. something to the relationship with Matt to the storyline. And it also just brought you back more to the original show because these are characters that you've been with for years.
00:59:49
Speaker
You know what she means to Matt, what they mean to each other. There's history there. green There's history. But if you want to build history with all these other people, I'm like, why? You can't. You can't.
01:00:00
Speaker
You cannot. And then we add, you know, obviously, Amanda, we're still going over on this podcast. We have so much to say. I don't want to talk about all the negatives. I kind of want to go into a little bit of the positives, right? We we talked about some of the positives, but I kind of want to talk about some of the new characters that we did get that I enjoyed, right? We have some where I'm like, eh.
01:00:20
Speaker
But what's his name? The Michael Gandolfini character? What'd you think about him? I... Oh, are we disagreeing? You don't like him.
01:00:31
Speaker
<unk>t There's something about that kid. I don't know. Well, you don't like the character or you don't like the actor? I think it's both. There's something about him, man. i don't know what it is.
01:00:42
Speaker
oh I like him. I think the character I'm not supposed to like, so I think that he did a good job in that aspect. like I saw this really funny thing on on social media.
01:00:54
Speaker
ah Again, you're watching the Penguin. They had a picture of Victor from the Penguin. They had a picture of him. and i And I immediately replied, do not put these two people in the same thing. Do not. Don't do that, please. Because I think one, I feel like one did a way better job than the other.
01:01:08
Speaker
That's just personally speaking. He's the the one that's like, because I want to tell the first episode, the one that like the Penguin. Yeah, that. ah The Spanish actor. Yeah, he's Dominican. ah Oh, I knew he looked kind of Dominican. was like, he gives me Dominican vibes. ah yeah Get ready.
01:01:26
Speaker
Oh, okay. I got really hyped after watching them because I know the Penguin is really good and you had been telling me to watch it forever. So when I was on the plane, I was like, oh, the Penguin's on here. Okay, let me watch the first episode because they had like, think them. different.
01:01:39
Speaker
It's a different character from from the Gandolfini character. But let me just go back to the Gandolfini character. At first, I was like, okay, so i was I was trying to paint this kid into like, okay, so you're this character. You're this character.
01:01:53
Speaker
You know, the kind of the overzealous kind of Oh, yeah, pro fisc or whatever. And i um'm um um ah but I was still trying to figure out, the goal like, yo, who are you? Who are you really? are you Are you this righteous kid who's like you know who wants to like really make it and make a name for themselves? you know Or are you like in lock and toe with with Fisk and what he wants to do?
01:02:16
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? like There's a thing there, and I still don't know what it is. But I think I agree, though, on that. i do I do think that his character is still a little bit in the gray area. like I still don't know. i thought he was going to killed. I thought this character was gonna be like...
01:02:30
Speaker
Like he was like, Fisk was gonna be like, fuck this. He was gonna smash his head into that desk. That's where I thought that was going to go. And the fact that it didn't, because obviously we had the Fisk manipulation and he realized, oh, this is somebody I can use to my advantage. Right. yeah The one who idolizes me of this is perfect. Right.
01:02:47
Speaker
But then you also had that final, final scene where you have all these characters kind of now it's just like kind of closeups on everyone's face, kind of figuring out like, am on the right side here?
01:02:58
Speaker
Like, what? Like, you know, you have them really questioning all these all these characters, right? Other than, obviously, his right-hand man. But, you know, you have the... What's her name?
01:03:08
Speaker
I don't forget her name. The cabinet lady, the one that's like... The one that brought him in. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Who betrayed the, who betrayed the commissioner. Who betrayed the cop. Damn. Cause fear, fear.
01:03:19
Speaker
She was, she was just, I didn't think, i honestly didn't think she was going to do that. I, I just thought she just wasn't going to show, but I didn't think she was going to go to Fisk and be like, yo. Here's evidence of him trying to take you down.
01:03:30
Speaker
She knows who he's she's dealing with. She knows that he's dealing she's dealing with a psychopath. And you know what? um i want to I don't want to cut you off. I just and know we spoke about Vincent D'Onofrio. Vincent D'Onofrio is just phenomenal.
01:03:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah. There's something. There's a tick that he does with Fisk. dis in this whole series that I was just like, this man is a fucking genius.
01:03:54
Speaker
Because throughout the whole series, it's almost like Fisk was taken and implanted into the body of a politician. You saw that even in the beginning. Like, oh, wow, you lost weight.
01:04:06
Speaker
Cause I remember Matt said, Oh yeah, your step is light. He's like, Oh yeah, I lost weight. You know? And it was almost like they were trying to put him into this caricature of what, of a mayor. Yeah. fi will look like But then throughout the show, you just saw this little, like, like this thing. Yeah. It's like his little, like, and it's almost like the it's almost like the, the, the monster inside is trying to get out. And then that one scene where he put on the jacket and it ripped.
01:04:29
Speaker
Yeah. And he's like, Oh, he's like, Oh, it's not fitting anymore. And, and it hit me. i was like, it's, it's like, he's the monster is, is, is that's it. Like you can't, you can't cage the monster into that and and that cage anymore. The monster is going to get out.
01:04:45
Speaker
And then you saw at the end of the show, his physique was back to how he looked at the Netflix show. He wasn't as, he didn't look as, as trimmed as he did at the beginning of the of the episode. And, I don't know whose idea that was, if that was the director's idea or the producer, if that was even D'Onofrio's idea.
01:05:01
Speaker
That shit is genius. That hit on so many levels because it just showed you that this whole time, even though we knew it was a fraud, we knew, okay, this is Fisk. But there was a second there. I'm like, oh, maybe you know maybe he's going to run the city with like a like an iron fist. No, no, he's going to run the city like as a gangster.
01:05:20
Speaker
That's pretty what he's going to And he's going to use the biggest gang available, which... I don't say it, but the biggest gang available in New York is is the NYPD, the corrupt NYPD. Yeah. I have family that's police officers. They're not.
01:05:32
Speaker
That there's bad people in all aspects of life. But there are corrupt officials everywhere, as we can see now. But, um you know, he's going to use that to his advantage, which he did. And, man, Vincent D'Onofrio is phenomenal. He brings it so much.
01:05:48
Speaker
You can tell he loves his character. Yeah. His character is is just... It's literally second nature to him. Yeah. And he... is phenomenal. That, that whole tick thing on that, like that Twitch thing that he does where it's like, he's trying to, he's trying to eat when, when people question his little hand.
01:06:05
Speaker
Yeah. His hand thing. Yeah. Yeah. The hand thing. And it's so like, it's almost like a way of him controlling the monster. Getting out. Yeah. Because he's willing to, he wants it to go. And then yo, when he, when he murdered thick freaking chief and just skull crushed him.
01:06:21
Speaker
And then I love the touch of him taking the handkerchief and, and taking a little bit of spot of blood. Mind you, his whole suit is bloody, his hands bloody, but there was spots of blood on his face that he just took it and just threw it. I was like, this guy is a freaking psychopath.
01:06:38
Speaker
Yeah. like And everybody's there like- afraid Everybody's like, well, fuck. Like, well, i I better stay in line because if not, that's going to happen too Well, that was the whole point. that whole That whole thing was just a show to show, show everybody there, listen,
01:06:55
Speaker
you You may not know me. You may think I'm the mayor, but no, i'm this is who I really am. This is who I am. I'm a psycho. My wife is a fucking psycho.
01:07:06
Speaker
And we're going to run things this way. you know So, man, kudos to kuros to Vincent D'Onofrio for that performance.
01:07:17
Speaker
Agreed, agreed. One more character that I forgot to talk about, which I think is also very important. Ben Ulrich's granddaughter? Her niece. His niece. His niece. I'm like, what was going on?
01:07:30
Speaker
I was so confused. I was like... It was kind of chaotic. with i like chaotic I liked the videos that they showed with the people in New York because that was very... I felt like that was a real thing. like I was like, yeah, this is a character for because We see that now on social media where we see people being interviewed on the street, on the subway, like it with a phone camera. yeah like I like that, but the character itself, like I was like...
01:07:54
Speaker
what does she know? Like, what is she bringing? And then it's not until the end, episode eight, where you, when she's talking to the commissioner that you realize, oh, okay, this is all an act. She knows this is all like her infiltrating the system. I wish we would have gotten more of that. Like I didn't want to wait to the eight episodes to get that. I wanted to get more of that.
01:08:15
Speaker
See, now that we talk about this, now that i think more about everything you say, like the show, the show did, Yeah, there's there's stuff that just... It wasn't... It was little sloppy in a lot of ways. but But think about it. What were the sloppy parts?
01:08:29
Speaker
The middle. Yeah. the big It started off really strong, and it ended really strong, because this is what was filmed after. All this middle stuff... Okay.
01:08:40
Speaker
I think was still like... They were like, okay, what the fuck's going on? But obviously they haven't filmed it already. You know, I think it was episode seven. I think it was seven, where... ah Matt went to go visit um Ben Poindexter, you know, Bullseye in prison.
01:08:57
Speaker
And I thought I was like, oh, shit. Like there was something that thought was going to happen. oh That was a happening. It was a that was all in a shit. Why did I feel like this was a night? It was the a episode season, right?
01:09:08
Speaker
Nine. It was an episode eight because he goes to see him. He beats him up and that's how he gets the tooth. And then he gets out. Yeah, but there's something that he said, man, that I was like, I would say, oh, man, I would be interested in seeing this.
01:09:22
Speaker
Oh, about him helping him? Yes. But I thought it was like, I thought it was going to be, and i don't know why I thought this, because I should have known, like, okay, this shit is almost ending. it They can't do this arc. i thought it was going to be an arc where Matt was going to represent him in court.
01:09:38
Speaker
And I'd be like holy shit, that would be crazy, because this is dude that killed Foggy. And Matt's going to represent him in court because he has evidence against Fisk. Like, i like in my in my brain, in my director-producer brain, I just i just pictured this moment of Matt in court defending this fucking guy who killed his best friend, who he hates himself, but he's doing it because he hates Fisk more.
01:10:02
Speaker
Like, I was like, I'm like, that shit in my brain, i'm like, damn, that shit's kind of interesting. And that that would be really dope arc. Yeah. It didn't end up happening. But I do think in season two, ah Bullseye is going to be one of those guys who's going to join the Daredevil army. You think so? I think so.
01:10:17
Speaker
I think it ended that way. I think that episode ended when you saw you saw um um Bullseye there, wherever the hell he was at. In an apartment. In an apartment. And then you saw Matt.
01:10:29
Speaker
i kind of felt it I kind of felt like there was a connection there. so Wait, what do you mean, and then you saw Matt? I'm confused. No, no, they remember, because it was it was all during a... um Oh, during a montage. It was a montage thing when when when Matt was talking to Karen, I believe it was, and then they showed it and i was like I was like, is that a little foreshadowing that these two are going to join forces to take this guy down? Remember, Ben wanted to kill Fisk.
01:10:56
Speaker
That whole thing was because that that whole scene where we're we're Matt, which is crazy, that Matt took the shot. I don't know why. You know, but then, you know, but remember, remember Bullseye wanted to kill Fisk. That's what he wanted. So my thing is in this next season, are we going to have a season where, where Bullseye says, yo, listen, I'm going to join you, but I'm only joining you because I hate that motherfucker. And I want to, want him to Why does he hate Fisk again?
01:11:23
Speaker
I can't remember. I can't remember either. I think something, maybe something that maybe because he took the fall or something. um Because, like, right now, like, what I'm trying to understand is, like, why did he want to go and kill Fisk? Was it because Fisk?
01:11:36
Speaker
Like, is this all connected from still season three of the Netflix show? Yeah. Oh, I thought it was because, like... he made him go into the like bad area remember because he was like supposed to be like in the jail in the jail that was like nobody's in there or whatever then he like released him and put him in like the worst i think think part of that is i think part of it is that but then a part of it goes back to season to season three which like i felt like it was so long ago I don't remember season three at all.
01:12:04
Speaker
um But yeah, like like I think that's what it is ah with that. But I do think that he's going to join the army to take down Fisk. But again, I think it's more of just taking down Fisk because he hates Fisk so much. He's kind of like an anti-hero?
01:12:19
Speaker
No, because Bullseye is a bad guy. But, I mean, maybe he'll turn anti-hero in in for this second season because there's so much chaos and so much things happening.
01:12:30
Speaker
So I could see that. That's the hard thing. I was like, that guy is crazy. yeah He did kill Foggy, too. us it's that And, I mean, look let's say that i mean that would be an interesting take, right? Because, you you know, as Daredevil, he does have to kind of...
01:12:44
Speaker
you know, that's a line where it's like, well, do I want to work with somebody who killed my best friend? But then I also do need to take down Fisk. Like, that'll be interesting. I'm very... And they're filming right now. They're filming season two right now. So I'm just wondering, like, what this...
01:12:59
Speaker
Army is. So, okay. let let's let's let's let's Let's start wrapping it up. let's yeah let's give our prediction Let's give our prediction to what we think is going to happen with season two. Who do we think this army is going to consist of?
01:13:11
Speaker
um What are your thoughts? What what do you think is going to happen? I personally think it has to be like the defender kind of crew. Because I don't think that they can... Street level people. Street level. Like, I don't think they can have... i mean, I guess...
01:13:28
Speaker
i just and And also like Kate Bishop, Mrs. Marvel, these are all characters that they're really trying to push towards the young Avengers. so I don't think they would have them in like this kind of thing because this is not young Avengers. These aren't, you know, they'd be playing with the big boys, right?
01:13:41
Speaker
So I have a feeling like that's like, it has to be like Defender wise. I never saw that show. I've never seen, I've never seen that show. So like, I don't know. that on Disney Plus? Do they have it on Disney Plus?
01:13:54
Speaker
I don't know. I've never looked. I've never looked. Yeah, it was good. It was good. um I feel like it has to be that because and then also what's her name? i mean, they could they could not. don't know That's probably also a young Avengers thing because the the knees for White Tiger. She's supposed to become the White Tiger now.
01:14:15
Speaker
the niece is supposed to take the mantle, but she's also young and I think she goes towards Young Avengers because I was like, you know, they showed her too at the end of that. You know, she's, but she's young. I'm like, I don't know. still think she's too young to take that Yeah, think she's too young, but she is. It'll be too phony.
01:14:30
Speaker
Yeah, supposedly she, ah from what I read, she is supposed to take the mantle. We didn't talk enough about that episode, but that episode broke me. um I was really sad. Yeah, that was it's very sad episode. That was a sad episode. But I loved the Puerto Rican and talking about the cookies. And then the ending was like so sad. And then they had the like, it was just all you heard was the cookies playing that. that and I mean, they put in the feet in the fields at the end of that the actor. He passed away.
01:14:59
Speaker
He did? Yeah, he had cancer. passed away. But then i hope it was kind of like an homage to the actor.
01:15:07
Speaker
Oh. Yeah, he passed away. Oh, that makes me feel good. Did they do an In Memory Of? I don't remember if they did an In Memory Of. they i feel like they should have if he died. Yeah, i know. Or maybe they did it at some point. Because I feel like I did see In Memory at some point. But like, know that is. name is Camar de los Reyes.
01:15:25
Speaker
Yeah, he died in December of 2023. Oh, that's so sad. he was so good. Yeah. He was very good. Yeah. Oh, that's sad. That breaks my heart. um But yeah, like, so I feel like it has to be that. i And then I just don't think they're going be paying Tom Holland to come in for some episodes. I just, I don't. Man, that would be cool, though. It would be cool. I'm not going to lie.
01:15:49
Speaker
That shit would rock. Like, if you tell me, yo, know um but But they're not going to do it because Tom Holland right now is shooting The Odyssey for Christopher Nolan in Greece. So he's not even here.
01:16:00
Speaker
No. Unless they, like, really, you know, put that in someone's schedule. They're like, okay, i just come down for one day. We're gonna film a quick scene or whatever. Or they do it after. You know, we don't know about film schedules. but We don't know how to film schedules. I just don't think, like, one, he probably... like There's just a lot of logistics around that.
01:16:18
Speaker
He is filming Spider-Man 4, too. Like, there's... That would be dope, though. That would be dope, though, because it is a very big one. They do know each other. It's not like they don't know. Yeah, but you see, okay, okay, wait a minute. So wait, wait,
01:16:30
Speaker
He's shooting Spider-Man 4. I need to, that's the other thing I need to know. See, this is where, this is where things, again, get crazy. It's like, if this, if Fisk is mayor, then that means he's mayor when Tom Holland's Spider-Man is around.
01:16:45
Speaker
Yeah. So then my thing is, again, it's like,
01:16:49
Speaker
and this has to This has to get explained. Oh, shit. But then it's also, I think somebody has said, I think ah there's also the the right situation, right? Because Sony is still Spider-Man. That's right. They can't be on the so on the screen together at the same time. Something like that.
01:17:03
Speaker
read somewhere Matt Murdock.
01:17:07
Speaker
matt murdo Was on screen. Oh, it's not the same character. i think it's the, I think it's. Oh, that's so so. Well, see, I think that's the issue.
01:17:18
Speaker
i think the issue that Disney really, or Marvel really it starts hitting a wall with Spider-Man specifically is you can't just have him in anything because you got to go to Sony and be like, Hey, can we, can we do that? I think that's where the, the, the problem lies there.
01:17:35
Speaker
I think you're right. i think i think it'll be I think it'll just probably be the Defenders. You've got to get a reunion of that, which would be cool. i think i think i would I actually would go with that because the thing is you saw the Defenders work together. They they had a whole season together. But wait, the Defenders, is Daredevil, does he know about them?
01:17:51
Speaker
Or the Defenders that show just like their own thing? No, it's it's it's that it's that own thing. But Defenders is almost like a Daredevil season 2.5 because it does take place after season 2.
01:18:05
Speaker
Oh, I think I remember you telling me that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like that. So, yeah. So I think it would be the Defenders. I think it would be cool. i think bring everybody back. And then I think, you know what? You know who they could add? They could add Moon Knight.
01:18:16
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Moon Knight would be the guy they could add. That would be a good one. You didn't finish watching that. But I think when Moon Knight is a... Moon Knight is a kind of a supernatural magic-y type thing. No, but that's like...
01:18:27
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White Tiger. Remember, White Tiger has... Oh, the amulet, yeah. Has the amulet, which is actually... Which is funny. White Tiger and Moon Knight kind of gave you the same vibes because it is like a Mm-hmm. An Egyptian type thing. That gives you like powers.
01:18:40
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But... butm I'm excited. I'm excited for season two for Daredevil. I think we have a lot of stuff to look forward to there. I... My hopes for season two is let's let's tighten up the story. The story... Overall story.
01:18:54
Speaker
Yeah. There was lot of cool stuff there. There was a lot of good stuff there that I enjoyed. But there was a lot of sloppiness that I think they could have tightened up. Tied up a little bit more. And think... I think maybe they'll have to do that for the next season. Yeah, i think so too. And... and and And hoping that it'll be kind of with the same directors as well who are kind of like... Episode 7, mean, 8 and 9 were just so good. I just hope that that's kind of the same feel that we're getting and that we do connect get connected more to these other characters to these characters that were set up in this first season, but were kind of like...
01:19:27
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Where are we going from here, right? Anyway, okay, so before we go, we have to do our work segment about a movie that made us feel something.
Review of 'Better Man' Biopic
01:19:37
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i This week, I saw a movie that I wanted to see. It came out earlier this year called Better Man. It's a biopic on the top. The monkey. Yeah, the monkey about the pop i British pop icon Robbie Williams. I'm a fan of Robbie Williams.
01:19:52
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I know a lot of people have no idea who Robbie Williams is. I'm a fan of his, um especially his early work, his early solo stuff. um I just find him to be a very fascinating dude.
01:20:03
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And I saw the movie here at home. And let me tell you, man, that movie was really good. Like, I didn't expect it to be that good, but it was good.
01:20:14
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And the concept of using a monkey as opposed to just getting an actor to play the part as a young Robbie into a teenage Robbie into an adult Robbie, the monkey thing plan worked out. Because I think from what I've understood is the director asked...
01:20:30
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Robbie Williams, you know, what animal do you see yourself as? Like, what's like what's your spirit animal? He's like, okay, well, a like a monkey, like a chimp. And he did that, and it worked.
01:20:42
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um And let me tell you something, man. The special effects on this monkey... It's pretty much like Planet of the Apes. Oh, it's that good. Yeah. i was going to like Planet of the Apes.
01:20:55
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There's parts where where he's having these serious life discussions about things with a family member with a friend or with ah with a with a with a girlfriend in the movie.
01:21:06
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And you just see the face and you see the expressions. And there's parts where looking like he looks like Robbie Williams, like just the gaze. Yeah. But, you know, it was it was the monkey and it was the eyes and and it was like the lips and it was just the emotion of everything.
01:21:20
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Because the whole point of the movie is that he's battling a lot of things. He's battling addiction, which is a big thing and in the story. He's battling his ego. which is a huge thing.
01:21:31
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And then he's battling living up to who he thinks he's supposed to be to other people. And as the movie progresses, there's parts where he's he's performing and he looks into the crowd and he sees other monkeys, but these are other monkeys as him in different stages of his life, kind of criticizing him.
01:21:48
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And what that kind of shows you is that he's battling himself because he he's he he he he does all these things. And even to himself, it's not good enough. And I loved it, man. I love the arc that we went through from the beginning of the movie to the end to kind of him having this big performance at ah Prince Albert Hall um venue in England. Oh, yeah. It's a very famous one. And it's him. and And what's really cool is...
01:22:13
Speaker
Everything, all these performances, all the photos in the movies were all off of things that actually happened Robbie Williams. like You could literally look these things up and you could just see the same scene, but it's Robbie Williams when it actually happened.
01:22:24
Speaker
And it's it's so really a good movie with a great message. And um it moved me. And I didn't expect it to move me that way. Again, I'm a fan. So there was parts I was singing along because there's a lot. It's a musical aspect to it because they break off into songs. And another thing you would love, um and again, if you love Wicked, of course, what you do, and anybody, the the set pieces, when they would do performances and stuff, like these were actual like...
01:22:52
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Like, there's a part where I think they're in the the Times Square of London, and everybody saw this, and they thought, oh, this was a set. No, they shot this on location. Oh, that's great. It was phenomenal. The dancing, the choreography, the camera work.
01:23:06
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and You know why? you You know why? I think you should watch. When you get a chance, and if you ever... Watch it. It's the same. His name is, the director's name is Mike Grundy, same director that did The Greatest Showman. So you're getting you're getting quality work, man. Like, i again, that movie, i didn't expect to love it the way I did.
01:23:24
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Did not expect to love it the way I did, but i actually did. I think it was phenomenal and fantastic. And it moved me because it and goes to show you that everybody, you know, you may be going through a part in your life where you're just like, you're fighting the ego inside.
01:23:37
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You know, are you good enough? should Do you deserve this? You know, I'm never going to make my my my my father happy. Like, that's one of the themes of the movie is that he's he's trying to always impress his father. And his father walked out on him when he was like a little kid.
01:23:50
Speaker
Oh, wow. Okay. And the whole thing is he's he's trying to get approval from the dad, you know, and... and And he realizes that he doesn't need the approval of the dad. He needs the approval of himself. So yeah, Better Man.
01:24:05
Speaker
Definitely one of those movies. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I mean, I have heard that that movie was um was actually very good, but it's it's one of those movies that unfortunately is kind of overseen and people don't go and watch it. And it becomes one of those situations where it's like, oh, people don't go to the movies.
01:24:22
Speaker
They're not supporting films or whatever, you know, things like that. So Um, now mine for the week, this is a big one.
Environmental Themes in Avatar and Future Podcast Plans
01:24:32
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So movie I really, really enjoy.
01:24:34
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um and it's Avatar. Uh-huh. Rodney's laughing. Um, you know, Avatar is the the first Avatar when it came out, right?
01:24:46
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That was a, like a very, it was a moment in time as we like to call here. You know, there are these movies that we watched for the first time that are a moment in time and nothing will ever be able to kind of, top that feeling of when you first saw that.
01:24:58
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um But i every time I watch that movie, I'm in my feels. Every single time you watch the first or even the second one, right? Because what you're watching on screen is something that you never thought that you could see, right?
01:25:14
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I mean, the world that James Cameron created in that first Avatar still really holds up, even though I know people have their comparisons or whatever, but I still think what he did was out of this...
01:25:26
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world And, you know, as if you know James Cameron, he always likes to talk about, you know, environmental things, things that are going went on in the world. And, you know, you have that scene when they knock down the tree in that first movie. And then you kind of have the equivalent with the whales in the second film.
01:25:46
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And I remember it was like, I was like sobbing watching this tree go down. And obviously because it is, you know, a, a take on, Hey, look at what we're doing to the art, to the trees. Look what's, what's going on in the world. Right. But just also being put into this,
01:26:04
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movie. I think James Cameron always does such a great job at really, you know, encompassing that in his movies. um Like I said, also the same in the second film with the, you know, when they take down the whale and you find out why they're taking down the whale. And it's like, really just for this like serum to make humans live longer, right? It's all about humans and and not that not thinking about the world that we do have to protect.
01:26:30
Speaker
Yeah, i you know you know when we I love watching movies that have a message and and and have something to say yeah about society and about oneself. Nobody likes to watch an empty... Well, no, and I'll watch an empty movie. An empty movie would be like a kind of a popcorn flick type thing. Like Fast and Furious.
01:26:47
Speaker
Yeah, those are fun because it's just, you know, you turn your brain off and you have a good time. But yeah when you get into like kind of deep... topics But you see with where Avatar, it's kind of packaged around a kind of ah ah science fiction action flick. It's an environmental film.
01:27:00
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It is. It really is. it it and come it was You said it was conveyed in the first one, and it was conveyed in the second one. I'm curious to see how they'll convey it in the know. I'm very. I wonder what the third one will be about.
01:27:11
Speaker
The third one's going to be tragic, man. Yeah, you think. You're like, someone's dying. One of the ones the first one. One of the parents is going down. yeah but um But yeah, I agree with you, Mel. um Very moving ah film with a lot of beautiful imagery, but a lot of imagery that that is you know that can just take you back into a time or into a place of now where you see the rainforests in Brazil and deforestation.
01:27:41
Speaker
Or the fires in LA. the fires in LA. And you know you see you see ah with the part two, you see... whales and dolphins being killed by fishermen out in Japan. And, you know, like these are things that are images that are very moving because they're very real and they strike a chord and, you know, it's about protecting the planet. And, you know, we're all, we're all on this planet together, you know?
01:28:06
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the end of the day we have to save it and that's what avatar is in the sense of the navi is trying to save it from the humans yeah yeah this is a long one guys we've been chatting for a bit here but uh it was this is i think a really good talk uh we'll be back in a couple weeks here don't know what's coming up i guess andor is coming up soon so we'll be watching that and we'll be doing our full review um kind of break down like this when the season is over. So guys, make sure that you are following the podcast so that you don't miss out on that big end or I will be watching sinners tonight, by the way. Oh, yes. Ronnie will be watching sinners. He's going to let me know if it's I mean, I've heard it's fantastic, but he's going to let me know if it's like really scary, because if it's not really scary, then I might actually go and watch it because I'm now it's kind of got my attention. I'm a little bit intrigued.
01:28:54
Speaker
We also have Thunderbolts coming out next month as well. So we will probably, I'm pretty sure, be covering that that as well. That might be one of the episode one of the first episodes we do and then probably and or will be the next one.
01:29:09
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um But yeah, guys, thanks so much for listening. We appreciate your time today. This was a long one. So if you've if you've held on to the end, thank you Thank you. Thank you so much. That means you really like us.
01:29:21
Speaker
But see in the next podcast. Bye. Bye-bye.
01:29:26
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podcast by but bye