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Was Avatar: Fire and Ash Worth the Wait?
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In this episode of Beyond the Shot, we sit down for our full review of Avatar: Fire and Ash. We break down the visuals, performances, story, and where this chapter fits within the larger Avatar universe — including what worked for us and what didn’t.
We also talk about the trailers we saw before the movie, including first reactions to The Odyssey and the Avengers: Doomsday teaser, and what those previews tell us about the future of blockbuster filmmaking.
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Introduction and New Releases
00:00:01
Speaker
here and we're back everyone yay yes we are back for another epi episode and today it's going to be a really really great one i'm very excited oh we're going to be talking about avatar fire and ash we're going to talk about Small little movie. Small, small movie. Just small little movie that just came out last weekend. Small independent film that came out last weekend. You know, James james Cameron, you know, that's fine. Up and coming director, Cameron. Up and coming, yes, exactly. Up and coming director, you know, he's really new. It's heard so much about him. So we we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about, you know, Avatar as a franchise, all three movies. And um we
Frustrations with Movie Previews
00:00:42
Speaker
actually... are all
00:00:43
Speaker
Rodney and I also decided that we actually want to start off this episode by talking about kind of like when you go to the movies, what do you see first? We talk about, we see the previews. um Lots of great previews. Actually, stuff that I kind of forgot was even happening. There's one thing I do want to talk about previews, just a quick little so quick little dab. nothing Just about the experience of previews these days. i Don't know where when we got here, but the fact that I have to sit through 15 minutes of just commercials, but I don't know how and if it's still like that in in the States, but here in Canada, the movie was supposed to start at seven.
00:01:20
Speaker
I saw commercials for about 15 minutes and then maybe like 15 minutes versus like actual previews, you know, when like, you know, they show what's coming up in the next year, what to look forward to. But the fact that I sat at the theater,
00:01:35
Speaker
just watching a commercial for Samsung. I'm like, when did we get, when, when did we get, is it the same like that in the States? It's, it's like ads. It's ads, man. It's a lot of, it's, there's a lot of ads and it's like, it's crazy. My, my wife, Alfie was like, my mom who was frustrated. She's like, she's like, can we just get to the movie already? She's like, I don't want to sit through another preview. I don't want another preview. It's like, i'll agreed. it's It's too much. And listen, I i love listen i love previews. i don't I love previews. And I'm a person that, you know, I see a preview on YouTube first before I even
Nostalgia for Old Previews
00:02:08
Speaker
see it in theaters. You know what I mean? But there's something about seeing it on the big screen.
00:02:12
Speaker
But even I was like, yo, you know what? Like... They don't hit the same. But I think it's, I think it's because last, like not last time, like back in the day when things were very different, it wasn't, you didn't get ads. It was like, it was always, they were showing like, remember they used to do the like facts about the movies and you would like, play along or they would show like they'd be showing like behind the scenes of movies being made or something movie that's what they used to play and then they would play like a solid 10 minutes of actual previews and now I feel like and I also felt like the previews felt much more like an actual like oh we're gonna watch the preview for this instead of it being like oh yeah there's the Avengers trailer that leaked yeah you know you know it was kind of just like
00:03:03
Speaker
Some of them are are pretty cool, but I don't know. I guess maybe I feel like now like they just released trailers so much faster now than they used to where it was like mostly the preview. like Other than the Odyssey, that was pretty cool. Oh, my God. I got to talk about I can't wait to talk about it. i can't oh oh my Oh, my God. my God.
00:03:23
Speaker
Oh, my God. I'm like, this motherfucker just now he knows. that he just knows. He just knows. He just knows. Like at that moment, I was just like, why why even see? And then, you know what? not i'm glad okay you know I'm glad you brought it up. I'm glad we're here. Cause this is what I wanted to talk about that. I'll be honest. Yeah. hu I feel like, you know what?
IMAX Experience: Made for vs. Shot on IMAX
00:03:43
Speaker
Um, You go to IMAX, and know you saw it in IMAX. I saw it in IMAX. um IMAX 3D, too, which has been a while. think the last movie I saw in IMAX three d was um was A Way of Water, actually. oh okay. Yeah. I think same. um But let me tell you... um There's something about when you watch a movie that is made for IMAX, that is shot on IMAX, because there's a difference now, because there's a lot of movies that are playing this game because they've caught on. They're like, oh, people love watching movies on IMAX. So um we got to watch. We got to we got to put something that says IMAX on it.
00:04:21
Speaker
And now you're seeing a lot of promotion of like. Made for IMAX. And when you hear that, you know, oh, shoot, IMAX. But then there's a different one where it's shot on IMAX. Yeah. That's the one you want to look for. yes Because they actually use the camera for IMAX. Now, James Cameron shot a lot of this movie on IMAX. It wasn't it wasn't the entire movie, but it was it was a lot of the movie was shot on IMAX. And it was and it was the image was made to be placed on IMAX.
00:04:54
Speaker
The Odyssey made by the man, the legend, Christopher Nolan, the entire movie is
Nolan's Use of IMAX Scenes
00:05:04
Speaker
going to be shot or shot because they're done IMAX. And let me tell you something, man. Oh, my God. When that came on, I was like, this motherfucker did. He just he did it.
00:05:19
Speaker
He did it. he did and this is And this is where I'm starting to see the light when it comes to what previews are and everything. And it's like, you know what? You want to make a movie special. You want to make something special and memorable.
00:05:32
Speaker
You do something like that. You give us a little taste. And not even a teaser. Give us a freaking like like what they did. It was a six-minute scene in a three-hour and plus change movie. And that's how you do it.
00:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. You don't give us anything. cause all They just gave us literally a scene. And you didn't even get, but it was enough
Comparing Upcoming Movies to Troy
00:05:53
Speaker
to be like, oh i'm high holy shit. Because let me tell you, when that thing ended, yo,
00:05:59
Speaker
the theater just erupted. I was like, oh, shit. Like, we're ready. Like, that music just just building up. And that moment... And you know what's funny, Mel? I was wondering if you felt the same way. Like, I'm watching this scene, and obviously the movie that comes to mind is Troy for me. Yeah. Because I'm oh, shit. You know, this is like... You know, it's kind of in it's the same kind of thing. it's like But then I'm like, wow. Like, this is like... But Night and Day from Troy. Like, this is like on some motherfucking level of that whole scene, that whole everything. Like, this was... you know I mean, granted, Troy was done at a different time. It was you're obviously shot by a different director. It was it was a different movie and since in terms of how it was portrayed. Troy had nothing even to do with like the actual Trojan horse. like That didn't even happen until like the last 10 minutes of that movie. Yeah, yeah. heard this like This is very different. i don't know i haven't I don't know. I never read The Odyssey. I was talking to dad about it, actually. Me neither. I never read it. He said, oh, you should read it. He said, it's really good. I've heard a lot of people say the same thing. yeah, I forgot, to be honest. like Oh, sorry if I cut you off. No, no it's okay. It's okay. Please, go ahead. um
00:07:09
Speaker
I um
Plot Speculations: Odyssey Film and Greek Mythology
00:07:10
Speaker
hadn't seen, like, anything. like i I totally forgot that this was even happening. Like, I remember hearing about it, but, like, totally forgot that this was being shown. So i'm like, watching it. I'm watching it. I'm like...
00:07:21
Speaker
ah And as soon as like it came up and I saw a horse in the water and I was like, oh yeah, aren't they supposed to be showing like five or six minutes of this movie or something? like Granted, we don't know like when in the movie that is, right? or is We have no idea. We don't know, right? Yeah, yeah. We have no idea, no.
00:07:37
Speaker
So when I was like, oh, shit, this is good. Yeah, that was like a I was like it got me and I was like, oh shit, can we keep going? Yes. I don't like watching this.
00:07:49
Speaker
When it ended, I was like, fuck, I want to keep watching. the like i fuck came but Yeah, it was the music. It was the buildup. It was just the tension, the drama of them all being in the horse. in there And that guy getting stabbed. Yeah, the dude getting stabbed.
00:08:02
Speaker
was like, oh my God. I'm like, i'm like i'm so ready for I'm so ready for this movie. This movie, first of all, as soon as I saw that, i was this was already my most anticipated movie. This is definitely my most anticipated movie for 2026. Nothing comes close to what this movie is. Nothing.
00:08:18
Speaker
Absolutely nothing. So yes, I love this thing of of showing these little previews. Because you know what? Nolan has done this before. He did this with The Dark Knight. Where they showed the opening sequence
Avatar's CGI and Special Effects
00:08:31
Speaker
of the Dark Knight in front of I Am Legend, Will Smith's movie.
00:08:37
Speaker
ah Now, I remember, yeah, it was on IMAX, too. And I remember I told Alfie, my girlfriend, then I was like, um I want to go see um I Am Legend, but I want to see it on IMAX because they have the they're going to have the first whatever minutes of of Dark Knight. So i was like, all right. She was like, right, cool. We want to see it.
00:08:57
Speaker
man, to see that big screen and you see that opening sequence with them going into the bank, robbing it, and then the reveal of what doesn't kill you makes you stranger. And you see Heath Ledger's face as the Joker. And it was, this day, I still remember, I get chills. I still remember to this day when he took off the Clamass and you see the actual makeup.
00:09:17
Speaker
there was a gasp in the crowd. Like, i was just like, oh my God. Like, you knew you were seeing something special. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, Christopher Nolan has a history of doing this with the IMAX thing, and I love that. I think that's really cool that you're using this platform of IMAX and using it as a way of like, yeah, we there's previews, but then we also do this. And part of me hopes that this is something that we see more of in the future for movies, especially these big movies that are like, okay, this is a big movie. It's shot on IMAX.
00:09:45
Speaker
let's let's let's do these Let's do these types of things as opposed to doing you know the regular run-of-the-mill trailer or whatever whatever you know i mean which i'm fine with trailers i am but i agree with you mel i feel like trailers i trailers have kind of lost their luster because we see them so often and now more than ever before like just trailers give a lot away of the movie like so much away of the movie yeah and it's like It's like, you know, like we need to studios need to figure out a way of making trailers special without giving away the sauce of what the movie is. You got to give I understand this. And I know a trailer has to give enough of what the story is.
00:10:26
Speaker
And it's to draw people in. And, you know, we have different trailers. We have the teaser trailer, which shorter version. And then we have the regular trailer. But then I also feel like there's an overabundance of like, oh, we have the second trailer. have the final trailer. Oh, yeah. I'm not going lie. I feel like, was it the first movie? I think it was the first Wicked movie.
00:10:43
Speaker
there were so many trailers there were so many TV spots there were so much I was like guys we're gonna watch the whole movie please stop please like I feel like it is like and i it's ads it's commercials
Spider's Role in Avatar 3
00:10:56
Speaker
they have to add things right get people excited but honestly the honesty thing I was like don't need a trailer I just saw that I'm i'm good i don't I have I don't need a trailer after seeing that like I'm like alright that got my attention i think I think, you know, and it's funny, you say that, and I can almost guarantee you Christopher Nolan probably feels the same way. like If it was after Christopher Nolan, he'd be like, i'm ah we're good.
00:11:18
Speaker
But, you know, it's the studio. The studio wants to put this movie out there because regardless, even if it's Christopher Nolan, this is Universal. Universal, okay. Yeah. So, you know, regardless, you know, the studio's like, no, we got to do this. We got to put another trailer. We got to promote this more, you know, because it is a, you got to think about it. Even if it's Christopher Nolan, it's still a risky thing where you're putting this type of movie out in the middle of the summer.
00:11:43
Speaker
you know And it's like you know like, can this work? But that then it's like Christopher Nolan has proven to you with Oppenheimer where he's like, well, I released a three-hour biopic epic about a scientist where there's really no action in It did really well. It made it made way well over $800 million, almost $900 million. dollars maybe it Almost such a billion. And I had zero action. And it was a biopic in the middle of the summer.
00:12:09
Speaker
Yeah. So it's kind of like, yo, if you could do that, then... Fuck, you know, this guy can can basically do anything. But yeah, man, that that that Odyssey prologue, as they call it, was um phenomenal. That music score. Ludwig Grohansen, who's won the Oscar for Oppenheimer as well. um And he won the Oscar for Black Panther. Yeah.
00:12:32
Speaker
He might be in for another one with this one because that music, the way that sounded in that theater, that down, down like that. Yeah. Build up. I was just like, this is crazy. And then that dude that came in when they opened up the gate. Who is that? Is supposed to be Achilles?
00:12:49
Speaker
Like, I don't know. i'm ah um I'm kind of wondering who was that? Who was that? The thing with that movie is like there's so many big artists in that. So many big actors. like I don't even know who these people are playing. Other than Matt Damon. yeah I don't know. And I think Tom Holland plays like his son, right? He plays his son. We have Jon Bernthal. Anne Hathaway is in it. Zendaya is in it. Robert Pattinson is in it. um it's ah It's a all-star cast. It's like a mega cast that's in there. have no idea where any of these characters are. like who Other than o jssus Like I have no idea who any of these other characters are playing And you know what I'm fine with that and i mean You know if this is going to be my first official Soiree into This world of the Odyssey that I am So happy that it's Christopher Nolan Holding my hand and saying let's Let's go for a ride And I'm fine with that So dude Odyssey has my money sorry i just um' i'm forget So who was it in the battle Trojans versus
00:13:48
Speaker
ah Because they're not the Trojans No, the Trojans are the... Are who they're attacking. So who are they? i can't remember.
00:13:58
Speaker
I can't remember either. My brain's not working right now to even think about that. We'd to look for it. I was like, oh yeah, the Trojans. was like, wait, no, but they are in Troy. The Trojan horse.
00:14:09
Speaker
but yeah They are not the Trojans. I couldn't remember what what's the... but Who they were fighting. Greeks? No. think it's Greeks, but then... I'm confusing that with 300. Yeah.
00:14:20
Speaker
No, but it is with Greeks. So okay so I'll just look that up. It says the Battle of the Odyssey refers to two major conflicts involving the legendary Greek hero Odysseus, the Trojan War, where he divides the um Trojan horse to sack the city and the violent slaughter of the suitors. Yeah, so it's the Greeks. Yeah. The Trojan. let me see here.
00:14:43
Speaker
Yeah, see, i don't want to look into it too much because I don't want to know. um So let's just say, yeah, the Greeks are involved. We'll just go with that. But man, I'm so excited for that movie. That yeah that is that is top of the list, 2026. You asked me, Rodney, what is it? I'm going to say without any without any ah prejudice, anything, it is the Odyssey. everything else edit Everything else falls short. I'll put it like that. And And, you
Marvel's Character Resurrection Issues
00:15:09
Speaker
know, let me just go on to that. Let me go on to the next trailer that everybody was... I know you're just chomping to let you say it.
00:15:17
Speaker
Avengers Doomsday. Now, listen, I i don't want to be that guy, even though i know i come off as that guy. Yeah.
00:15:26
Speaker
There's some people that are very excited about this because you know it's Avengers, and Avengers is a franchise all on its own. Yes, it's within the MCU, but when you have Avengers, that's a franchise on its own. So people are excited because they think, oh, this is a return to form for Marvel and stuff, and we're having the Russos are back, and we're going to have this major, the biggest... cast of characters ever in an MCU movie. Probably ever in any form of movie. Yeah. Ever. And this is... That's saying a lot. Especially coming off of Endgame. Endgame. was going to be like, Endgame had so many. This is going to have... But this is more because this is going to be a... This is going to be a nostalgia-fueled film. I'm telling you right now.
00:16:10
Speaker
This movie is going to be like... Like what Wolverine and Deadpool did where it was just like a nostalgic thing. This is going to be the same thing. It's going to be the same thing. So just prepare yourself... um And again, there is a lot to be excited for. you know I'm sounding like this, but I'm going to go watch a movie. I'm going to go and pay my ticket and watch it because that's how I am. I am a fan of MCU. Yes, I am very critical of MCU and I believe rightly so, but i I go and I spend my
Steve Rogers' Return in the MCU
00:16:34
Speaker
money. I give my money to to Kevin Feige and to Marvel ah Studios because you know i i support the i support that and I like because I like comic book movies and I want them to continue to prosper.
00:16:46
Speaker
But at the same time, I'm just kind of like, um'm i'm just go I'm back at the beginning, Mel. I'm back to what I said and what I've been saying for a while. What the fuck are we doing? So we're having this trailer where it's clearly, you know, it's Captain America and and you see Captain America with a baby and stuff. And I'm just like...
00:17:03
Speaker
It says Steve Rogers will return. And now now the big thing there said is it says Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers. And it says Captain America. which Yeah. Which, you know, I understand what they're doing. They're like, well, we we already have a Captain America. And that's, you know, that's Falcon, a.k.a., you know, um um Anthony Mackie. Anthony Mackie. Which is true. He is the new Captain America.
00:17:23
Speaker
But people are going to look at this going to be like, well, it's... Steve Rogers is Captain America. thats that's that's that's my cat That's my Captain America. And, you know, that's what's going to happen. That's what's going to come out with that. And, you know, there's gonna be a segment of the population that's going to be like, wow. So they didn't even give Anthony Mackie any the opportunity to, like, even, like, carry his own movie before they bring this dude back. You know what i mean? Which I kind of, I could kind of be like, I mean, I kind of see where you're going with that. Even though, again, they said Steve Rogers. They didn't say Captain America. But to me, I'm sorry.
00:17:54
Speaker
it's The man is synonymous. Steve Rogers is Captain America. There's just nothing more. That's Captain America. There's no way around it. And, you know, I just feel like this is another thing where we're like, okay, so we're were were pretty much...
00:18:09
Speaker
ah um saying, oh, you know, endgame, whatever, don't worry about that. That ending, don't worry about that. doesn't matter anymore. Steve Rogers is back. I'm like, no, but you can't you can't keep doing this.
00:18:24
Speaker
You cannot keep doing this. What the hell are we doing? You did it with Logan. You brought back Wolverine. You brought back Hugh Jackman to play Wolverine just so he could be in the fucking yellow suit. And, you know, great. Everybody, you know, you know, got popped off with that. That's great. You know, I was one of those people. I enjoyed the moment. But in my mind, I'm like, yo, was it worth it to do that?
00:18:43
Speaker
Because it was something special with Logan. It was a Michael Jordan game winning shot. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's like you're're you're you're going back to this well of bringing people back. So, again, what you're doing is you're not making.
00:18:55
Speaker
How can I trust you as a as a studio going forward where you're telling me, oh, yeah, yeah, this ending, man. Yeah, he's dead, man. He's dead. He ain't dead. So how am I supposed to invest myself in the story that you're trying to tell me? So how do I know that at the end of Avengers Doomsday or Secret Wars, oh, yeah, this is going to reset everything? No, it's not.
00:19:15
Speaker
It's not going to reset everything. Because when you need to bring these people back, you're just going to bring them back. You know what i mean? Like, it's just, when is how is this going to be? And that's my problem with it. And you know what, Mel? It goes back to all our conversation we've had.
00:19:30
Speaker
We are going to have to wait a year now for any sort of connection. Because yes, Spider-Man does come out next year. But Spider-Man has nothing to do with this movie. it's Spider-Man is his own thing.
00:19:42
Speaker
As far as I know, it's his own thing. i'm Now, maybe they'll throw in a post-credits scene. But post-credits scenes don't count. Because to me, it's like whatever happens in the movie. But maybe they'll throw something in there. And then as far as we know, Tom Holland isn't in this movie.
00:19:59
Speaker
You know, as far as we know. As far as we know. I don't trust anything. I don't trust anything either. But as far as we know, he's not in this movie. Could there be another Spider-Man this movie? I've heard rumors there's another Spider-Man in this movie. Yes, I've heard that.
00:20:11
Speaker
But I don't know where the connection is with that. I don't know. So we got to wait a year. And then, you know, what Marvel said they're to They're gonna release Endgame in September of next year. to get everybody primed because they're saying this is supposed to be a direct sequel to Endgame. That's what I'm, that's what I heard. Yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, so yeah, you know, the crowd reaction to the trailer was good. you know, people clapped and stuff. I wasn't one of them because I sucked through the bullshit, but people clapped through it and stuff and they were excited. And listen, granted, I'm, if you're excited and you're hype, man, all to you, I'm not going to, I'm not going to yuck your yum and you're, you're going to,
00:20:47
Speaker
You should be excited. You should be happy. Especially if you're an MCU fan where you where it's it's been less than stellar since Endgame. you know Outside of a few movies, it's been a very, very less than stellar. And if you think about it, Endgame has been what? It's been six years since Endgame. So it's been a minute.
00:21:04
Speaker
you know So this is a welcomed, kind of welcome back moment for a lot of fans and stuff. But I don't know, man. I'm just kind of like... im like ah So you said, I remember we talked about this. So you're saying that every week they're releasing a different one? So does that mean so this week there'll be another one? Or is the one that's good due to release this week.
00:21:24
Speaker
Ah. So it's basically, so it's like the picked the main Yeah. like characters Some, because then I don't know. I heard that the next week. I heard that the next week is... I've heard conflicting things. I heard it was i heard that one next week. outside So it's Steve Rogers. door Then I heard it's Doom.
00:21:46
Speaker
Dr. Doom. That's what I heard. And then I think the last thing is like a trailer trailer, like a teaser trailer. okay. i think that's I think that's how it is. i'm Don't call me. i'm I'm not sure. because I think that sounds kind of right. Because I saw something else that said...
00:22:01
Speaker
Well, no, I didn't even see anything. That's what I'm not saying. I just like a thumbnail, but that was me trying to depict it. But the one that I've seen was that, that it was Steve Rogers, Thor, Doom, and then was going to be- The actual trailer. The actual trailer whatever. Teaser or whatever. Whatever it's supposed I mean, I personally- m ah So like when I saw the trailer, so like it is, you know, everybody wasn't sure if this leaked trailer. Now this leaks crap is, and I think I sent you a voice note about this, about how outrageous it is that at this point Marvel can't control their fucking leaks. Like this is, this is crazy. Like it's 2025 and you're telling me you guys can't,
00:22:40
Speaker
can't like wrap your shit up a little bit better like come on and then i mean I've heard a lot of people that they say that they think that they actually do this on purpose like Marvel's like releasing these leaks on purpose and to just release it online just release it online that's what saying and I'm like it I just don't understand like how that don't understand how leaks happen like to me I'm just like how is this not under fucking lock and key like no one should be having access to this unless you have a lock and a key like this is crazy shit at this point So to me, I find it, I think, I think obviously people were going to react the same way, whether it was a surprise or not. People would be like, whoa, shit. Like, oh, we would feel react the same way. But I still feel, you know, the whole trailer thing where it would have felt better if it wasn't leaked.
00:23:26
Speaker
Because it would have been like, you'd be watching and you're like, oh, shit. Wait, what's going on? Is this, you know, if you wouldn't know anything. But the fact that it was already leaked, people, like I went into it already being like, oh, yeah, I think it's Captain America.
00:23:39
Speaker
Yep, here we are. Okay, this is what I think it know, whatever. Even though I didn't actually watch the trailer, knew that it was going to be Captain America. at the of the day, it was kind just like... I mean, what was it? It was like, what, 30 seconds? It wasn't even that long. Yeah, it was very short. Super short. It was a short teaser, and it was well done. thought it was cool. It was well done as the iconic Avengers theme thing. It was well done. It's just like...
00:24:05
Speaker
It's just kind of like, i don't know, man. I don't know. it's I don't know. i am i am just looking. I just want to know like what the plan is. Or like how this mo how how is this all connecting? like what Is it you know and an Avengers, if it's like a sequel to Avengers Endgame, right? Because Technically, at the end of Avengers Endgame, we see Captain America and he's an old man.
00:24:29
Speaker
So I'm like, okay, so this Steve Rogers, like, is this like what happened in in between? Does like Doom like come in and he's like, hey, you ruined something. You know, like what is...
00:24:41
Speaker
I don't know ah how it connects. And this is the problem. that aspect And this is the problem. It's like, so you're going to have people having to do like mental gymnastics. Yes. Try to connect all this shit.
00:24:53
Speaker
And this is this is all Marvel's fault because Marvel conditioned its fans to have to watch movies to kind of understand what's going on. yeah And, you know, like I saw somebody put a theory out there about the TVA. This is the problem with the TVA.
00:25:07
Speaker
The TVA was solely based off of the Loki TV show. I know the Loki TV show was popular. I don't know how popular it was with general audiences. Enough for them to be like, what's the TV? People going to be like, what's the TVA? I'm telling you, people are going be like that legitimately.
00:25:23
Speaker
The TVA was in Deadpool and Wolverine. and Yeah, but then... i is Was that memorable enough to keep that in your head? You know what I'm saying? Like, was that enough to be like, you know, to to to add the mental gymnastic of Loki possibly being involved with this? Well, Loki is in this movie.
00:25:42
Speaker
and And again, it said Tom Hiddleston. Like he yeah had a chair. He's in it. I know. But then this is, and here we go. This the other thing. So we ended Loki with this thing where he's in this position. We're bringing him back.
00:25:56
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What are we doing, man? Like, we do not respect. Is there not a respect of these characters in terms of where you leave them at? Where, you know what? They're there. and This is who they are. This is where they'll remain. As opposed to just bringing them back. You know you know what i'm i know where I'm getting at? like this is there's some That's me. And I know people going to be like, oh, well, this is comics. And comic books people die and come back. I get it. i Trust me. I get it. I get it.
00:26:23
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I understand that that in comic books, they do that. But this is movies now. You understand? And there's going to come a certain point where your audience is going to be like, i can't i can't come back to you anymore because you you keep lying to me.
00:26:38
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You keep telling me, oh, yeah, this is they're dead, but then they're not dead. So how am I supposed to be emotionally invested if I know that this person is going to come back four movies from now or three movies from now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like there has to be, there has to be a hard line. I feel when it comes to characters and their fates, I feel like there has to be some sort of hard line. And listen, don't be surprised if you fucking see Scarlett Johansson come back.
00:27:03
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Oh, yeah, I know you're she who not. be so I would not be surprised, even though I know that the drama was really weird with them and Disney. And maybe they don't because of that whole thing. Yeah. Well, with the with the whole Black Widow thing, you know, and how that. Oh, yeah. So maybe maybe now, i want you know, you know, when when ah Robert Downey Jr. was announced as Doom, right?
00:27:23
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we were like, well, I wonder how many zeros were on that paycheck, right? All these actors, right, who are like, oh, yeah i'm ah how many times has Chris Evans said, nope, I'm done. I mean, fuck, he's a good actor because they out they're so good at lying because they have asked, I think when he was promoting materialists, they were like, oh, like, do you think there was ever a chance that you might go back? And he's just like, yeah, no, you know, like, he's so good at being like, yeah, you know, I know that they started filming and I miss those guys. I was like, bitch, you're in this fucking movie. You fucking liar. And granted, he could be in it for five minutes. He could die in the first five.
00:27:58
Speaker
Die. Five minutes. Dr. Doom comes over and splat. don't know. I don't know how Dr. Doom kills people. is Is it like a... Does he erase him from time? i don't know how Dr. Doom works. How does he kill people?
00:28:10
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We'll find out in Avengers Doomsday because Robert Downey Jr. is Victor Ron Doom in Avengers Doomsday. You'll find out. Oh, okay. Okay.
00:28:21
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I'm just giving you the trailer how it is. Oh, that's how is. Okay, yeah. So, you know, I'm just like, I don't know. I mean, the amount of zeros they're giving all these actors to come back to do this. I mean, listen, Disney has the money for it, so there so so they can do it.
00:28:33
Speaker
Like I, I would kill to be a fucking mosquito, a fly on that wall. Yeah. fly on that wall to be like, they called up Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans and, and Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston. All these, cause I'm pretty sure Tom Hiddleston, like I think was also pretty like, okay, Loki, he had a definitive end.
00:28:54
Speaker
Like he's at the end of time. He's whole like, that show was like, yep, this is where Loki ends. We're good. me, it ended great. It ended great. It ended so great. And then you bring it back for this. You bring it back. Oh, yeah, we're going to bring you back for this.
00:29:08
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The zeros, man. The zeros must be. How much do think Robert Downey? How much? Tell me. How much do you Robert Downey? Robert Downey's probably getting.
00:29:21
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he's He's probably clearing north. I would say north of like north of 70 or 80. Got a million. Yeah, got to be. Because I'm assuming he has some sort of... I wonder if he has some sort of executive producer credit there. Maybe. I'm not sure.
00:29:37
Speaker
But i'm um maybe he does. I don't know. I don't know what his contract is. in But I'm assuming that there has to be... they'll that That's a lot of... He's he's he's getting paid like a lot of dough to come back. to But like, what do you think about like one actor is getting paid 70 million? Like that is part of your budget. Like how much money did it take to make this movie? Because if you've got all of these actors, the amount of chairs you're going, now granted that the, the the people who've been there the longest, they're the ones that have the checks that are lots of zeros at the end. Right. yeah So I'm just wondering, I'm like, yo, the budget for this movie was paying every single one of these actors to come back for this. So
00:30:15
Speaker
I don't know. But anyway, okay, we're spending way too much on it. Much like the movie we're about to talk about right now, this movie's probably going to have to make like... It's going to have to make north of $2 billion. loan Well north of $2 billion yeah for it suit for it to make its budget. Because, yeah, worth of $2 billion. billion yeah In order to um make up for what the cost of what it is. Because just with the budget on the actors alone, and that's not including special effects and all that stuff...
00:30:43
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Yeah, this is going to be crazy. But let's let's talk about what we came here to talk about. I know. It's time. It's time. And that is about the little small independent movie known as Avatar Fire Ash, made by the up and coming up and coming James Cameron. Yeah. No, no, no, no disrespect. James Cameron is a legend in this game. He's been in this game for a hella long time. Very long time.
00:31:10
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And he's one of the more legendary directors in the history of cinema. As a matter of fact, like I said it before, James Cameron, he is a he is a checkpoint in the history of cinema, various times. He's made movies that have left lasting marks and impacts In the industry. And one of the movies is obviously the one we're going to talk about, and that is the franchise known as Avatar. Avatar is a, it's it's a franchise, folks. As much as people, as much as, people as bu I don't know why, there's a certain segment of population that is like, oh, they don't want to acknowledge it too much, blah, blah, blah.
00:31:48
Speaker
Avatar is a major franchise. It is a major, major franchise that deserves respect. You put the name respect on the name of this ah ah franchise. And let me tell you something. This what I tell people all the time.
00:32:03
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your franchise is not a flop and is not unpopular when you get rides done for you. Avatar has two rides in a Disney park and that's no small little feat. That means something. And it's a hell of a ride at that. um But yeah, Mel, um Avatar, Fire and Ash, we finally made it. Remember we were talking about this movie earlier in the year. We're like, oh, we have Avatar coming out. you know Yeah, oh my God. I can't believe. And it's here.
00:32:30
Speaker
It is yeah here, at Mel. And ah Mel, let's talk about it. I need to know your thoughts on Avatar because we didn't talk. We we just... we we we we Yeah, we didn't talk about the movie. After I saw it, you know ah you didn't say anything either. I was like, let's save it for the for for the for the pod.
00:32:49
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And Mel, give me give me your thoughts on Fire and Ash. Avatar, Fire and Ash. So yeah, I was very excited to see this movie. Yeah. i went and So I saw it in IMAX 3D high frame rate.
00:33:04
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um And i liked I really liked it. But I will say i i actually found it to be very long.
00:33:15
Speaker
Like there were some points in this movie where I was like, I was looking at my watch being like, Yo, but how much more left of this movie is? Because I feel like we're not even up to the third act and this movie has been going. um So I felt like this movie, like, there were... oh that's it I can't... I can't... I can't talk about Avatar just and dart without talking about the effects because i I just, I watched that movie and I i think for like the first, like maybe, I want to say for the first two hours at least, I was definitely like, I was like, my eyes were like, I am following the story.
00:33:56
Speaker
I am in it. I am in it. I am in the story. I felt like I was there. Like, first of all, like, You look at those fucking effects and I just can't believe it's not fucking real.
00:34:07
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yo I can't believe that everything that on that, nothing on that screen is real other than obviously like, yes, the actors are portraying these things, right?
00:34:18
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They are like actually emoting these characters. But that's... They weren't painted in blue. they These actors were in a fucking warehouse wearing balls on their face in imaginary places with camera on their face with these like little balls attached to them. And they are just playing in this warehouse where nothing...
00:34:40
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Is there. There's no green screen. There's no blue screen. There is nothing there but their imagination. Maybe there there's... Yeah, they have props. They might have like, you know, some... You know, a stage that they built. or An animal that they built that's an animatronic that they might be on.
00:34:58
Speaker
But nothing else is there. i i watch... it And it happens every time I watch Avatar. From Avatar 1, 2, and 3. I just feel like...
00:35:09
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The effects, like, you can't deny the effects worth. Like, that is, it's it's an achievement in its own. You cannot say that this movie does not deliver in the effects. It is the best CGI i have ever seen. And I think, wellette like, you just can't, like, nothing can ever, like, Marvel wishes.
00:35:29
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Some of these movies wish that. All of them, all of these special heavy special effects movies wish they can do what this movie did. And they and no one no movie can, because no one has no one has the eye...
00:35:43
Speaker
the james that James Cameron has when it comes to these when it comes to this. he then No one does. they just They just don't. So I agree with you. There's, I think, that scene... Oh, by the way, we are going talking about spoilers. So if you haven't seen this movie, unless you're not planning on watching, you hear us talk about it the Meryl Weiss. But with this this review, whatever we're talking, we will be talking spoilers. ah So this is your warning. um But there was like you know that part, I think...
00:36:12
Speaker
<unk> like when they're... ah ah hope before the part that really shook me, where I thought that what's his name was going to like kill spider. And what's her name is like at the water. And she's like washing her face. I was like, yo, know that shit's not real. The water's not real.
00:36:28
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was like, oh my God.
00:36:32
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so like I Like just, I, it's an achievement. There is no reason why this movie should not be winning awards for that alone. Like it there's just like, there's no way. There's no reason whatsoever.
00:36:44
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yeah ah she CGI water, man. CGI water. And that's what they said. that I've told you, Mel, and I've told the listeners, I've told listeners, there's this group of guys called the Corridor Crew, and they're special effects guys. And they actually have an episode where they go they visited the James Cameron's like offices in l la and they just sit down and talk to him. I'm going to send it to you, Mel. But um they always say on their show,
00:37:11
Speaker
Again, these are special effects stunt people. like they they they handle They know all this shit. They said the hardest thing to do is water. like Water is is just like, because it's just, you can't predict the movement of water. You think you can, and then when you do it, it just looks fake.
00:37:29
Speaker
And you see this movie, and you're just like, no, this is a real place. This is some place in Hawaii or something. Yeah, exactly. No, it's not. It's not. this is This is some warehouse in New Zealand. a pool.
00:37:44
Speaker
And it's a pool. And then the pool isn't really what they use. The water and the pool isn't really what they use for the water. They just use the water the pool to to mimic the movement of the people swimming. yeah And the water in the movie is actual CGI. Like, that's what they do. Like, it's just... It is one of those things where it's just... it's a This movie is a...
00:38:03
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These movies are just technical achievements. like they're Yes. They're just technical achievements. like I feel like they i feel they should invent a special award just for these for this type of movie.
00:38:14
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like They really, really should. Because you're never going to see anything that looks better than this. like You really aren't. like I'm really trying to think...
00:38:26
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Like, you know, we do I think we did talk about ah earlier this year about movies that are like benchmark movies. And I mentioned, I mentioned like The Matrix. I mentioned Jurassic Park. And I also did mention Terminator 2, which is a James Cameron movie also. Yeah.
00:38:41
Speaker
where he did the whole T-1000 with the liquid and everything. And it's like, I mean, I could put Avatar 1, 2, and 3 on this list in terms of these checkpoints because what they're doing with the special effects is they're kind of rewriting the history books. They're rewriting the whole special effects game. And yo, you are right, Mel. I'm watching this movie and I feel like we're so jaded as an audience that we're watching these movies and we're just like, oh, no, that's Zoe Saldana and that's Sam Worthington.
00:39:10
Speaker
you know we're just We're watching it, but we don't really see what's going on. where we so We see, oh yeah, that's a Navi, we but we don't see what is in front of us. What is in front of us is not real. It is it is a motion caption performance. Mm-hmm.
00:39:28
Speaker
You know what I mean? That is mimicking the movement of these actors. Yes, the performances are real. You know, the voices are real. But the visuals are not real. real But they look freaking real.
00:39:45
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Everything from the water, the movement of of of of the waves, the the the the creatures flying in the air,
00:39:56
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Like just... create Everything. The creatures. Everything looks... It looks like that exist like that animal exists. Everything. That whale exists. I'm like, yep, i've I've seen it. All that's real. I've seen it all. Yeah. It just looks wild real, man. It's wild. It so real. Man, let me tell you. But keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah.
00:40:15
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So yeah, like I was saying, yeah, so I did really like the movie, but I did find it a little, I did find it long. And I think it was because it did get a bit repetitive. I do agree on that.
00:40:25
Speaker
There were some points and it's not even repetitive as in like, oh, I saw this in Avatar Way of Water, right? It was more of like, didn't we just see them fight? where Oh, they're fighting again.
00:40:39
Speaker
what ah Okay. Okay. we're All right. we're Okay, that's the end of it. Oh, he's going to turn a new leaf. Nope, not turning a new leaf. And and you know what I'm talking about is Hortish and porch and um Jake, Sully.
00:40:53
Speaker
You know, these characters that have been fighting literally since movie one. And we get to movie three and I'm like, okay, are we picking sides? or Are we going to pick a side because we've been...
00:41:07
Speaker
kind of, the only time he actually picked aside was in the first movie when he just died. And I was like, alright, he's dead. And then he came back, and then now, like, the second movie and in this movie, I feel like he still hasn't necessarily chosen a side and i' it I felt like the fighting was kind of getting a little bit like we're fighting again. Okay, we're going to try to find common ground. Okay, no, we're fighting again. So that part I did find a little bit repetitive. um But again, i still like was really enjoying the action scenes because the action in this movie was I think this has been the best action sequences. well we we saw I mean, I think that's when we had like three action scenes. yeah Three big action scenes. It had the beginning or the one when the Ash people first we first they first get introduced. The second one is... Would I say the second one is when Natiri comes to rescue Jake?
00:41:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think that one. would say that one. yeah Yeah, that's a big fight scene. And then the third one, which is the the big one when the animals come. and you know, again, can be kind of repetitive to the yeah first movie.
00:42:12
Speaker
The first one. one Not the second one. No, the second one. No, no. The second one. The second one didn't have that. No, it didn't have that. can't remember right now the top of my head. The second one was when the the whale showed Yeah, yeah, yeah, the to yeah. yeah okay I remember now. yeah this But it was just that one. This one was more like the first one. yeah Yeah, where it was just like we need help from AWOL thing. Which I'm very intrigued to hear what you thought about the whole uh Kiri situation um but yeah okay so that's that was my main thing but um also one thing that I think was also one of my gripes about this movie um and I just I don't know right because I don't know if they're going to make four five ah five and six right or five six whatever like I don't know if this is actually gonna be the end or we're gonna make the next three or the next two whatever
00:43:09
Speaker
But this movie, so what what was I had a gripe with, and you know Straw Hat Goofy? He mentioned it. You know Straw Hat Goofy is, right? The black guy. Sounds familiar. Yeah, I think I need to know. Yeah, yeah. He does what he like does a lot of Instagram, but he's a content creator. He does a lot of Really love him. But he made this point, and I was like, yo, that's true.
00:43:30
Speaker
I thought this movie was going to be about... Jake's son, Loak, right? Because that's how the second movie made it seem. Okay, we got it. This kid is going to be the the next leader, right?
00:43:44
Speaker
But I thought this movie was about Spider. This whole movie, if you think about it, started and ended very differently. This movie started with Loak being like, I missed, you know, with his brother, which was very beautiful. Like I, for a second, I was like, why are they in the forest? And then I realized that it was like a memory situation, which was beautiful. i loved that scene, but the whole movie, right. For I, saw for me first half of it or a you know certain amount into it, I felt like it was about Loak being the the the outsider, having to become who he, you know, come into his own, become a leader for his dad to accept him for all these things. And all of a sudden, this is about Spider becoming one of the people. The movie ended with him being like, okay,
00:44:29
Speaker
Accepted into the... Accepted into the school. By the ancestors, yeah. Yeah, and it was interesting because I thought... I thought Loak was less in this movie than Spider was. And Spider, to me, don't... I find him kind of annoying, to be honest. He's not my favorite character. He's kind of annoying I know if it's just the way he's playing. You know, it's funny.
00:44:52
Speaker
I found him annoying in part two, and I found him less annoying in this one, but that's because I think it's kind of a credit to what you're saying, where he became a big focal point of the movie. Like, he wasn't just kind of like a side character. He became one of the main pieces in this movie. mean,
00:45:08
Speaker
think about it like fucking jake was already like mean that was an amazing scene and fantastic scene but like it became about him because it was like he is kind of that like middle the middle person right because he's the only human in this who wants to be a part of the navi but he is he is human and like but then you have him connected to his dad and his other dad and and that kind of weird dynamic but then i was like but i thought this was about lowak so that was a little bit of a gripe that i had that i was like where is this character like he disappeared for like because he was off with the whales for like most of this movie yeah he was there was a part of where he was kind of off with the whales and because you know and and i'll say this um
00:45:56
Speaker
when When the movie ended and the people I was with, we we like had this big conversation. That was pretty cool because we haven't had like a a conversation about a movie like that in a while. And one thing I think this movie did very well is like you had a lot of people in this movie kind of have their moments.
00:46:11
Speaker
A lot of characters had their moments. They kind of all had something to do. It wasn't really like people didn't have anything to do. no yeah And i think this movie did a good job juggling a lot of stories. that There was a lot more stories and a lot lot more characters than we originally thought in this film. I mean, think about it. You had Loak.
00:46:35
Speaker
um You had um obviously Jake and Natiri. You had Spider and Kiri. um ah You had Quaritch and the fire baddie.
00:46:47
Speaker
What was her name? What is her name? umm keep writing I'm just calling Fire Batty. Yeah. Fire Batty. Yeah. Yeah. yeah they You had them. You had them.
00:46:58
Speaker
um You know, it's it was it was it was... A lot of the story was very much spread out, which I think was cool. I kind of i kind of dug it. And, you know, just to kind of counter counteract to what you're saying, and i'm um I guess I'll flow into my thoughts of the movie now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. It's more like...
00:47:16
Speaker
i quite The movie was long, but it was long because I knew it was long, but I didn't feel it. I actually, let me tell you something. I could have gone for another hour. I, cause I enjoyed the world. I enjoyed the world. I enjoyed the story where it was going.
00:47:32
Speaker
I'm not going to disagree with what you were saying about. I noticed a lot of the repetitiveness of the first movie and the second movie with this one.
00:47:44
Speaker
um, I did notice the whole thing of like them fighting, but then you're right. like There was moments where, okay, you're working together, but you know they kind of did say in the movie, you know we're working together until we don't have to work together anymore.
00:47:57
Speaker
You know what I mean? Because obviously, Quaritch's hate for Sully and for Niteri runs differently. um man so ive so i kind of wanna just like After you're done, I kind of just want to talk about that character because he's very interesting. Yeah, Quaritch is an interesting guy. guy and And I'll say this.
00:48:16
Speaker
I like them. It's hard it's hard not to, man. like it's really i like You know what? I like Quaritch. And I think, you know, i wanted i wanted to listen to our episode when we did the review for part two.
00:48:29
Speaker
Because I think I'm going mention something that i mentioned there. I liken Quaritch to... going to use wrestling terms here. i'm a like and I liken Quaritch to a wrestler that is a anti-hero, that plays both sides. Yeah. Almost like a ah Stone Cold Steve Austin type, where he's not a good guy, but he's not a bad guy He's kind of in between, where he's kind of like, you know, like, i I do what I want to do type shit. You know? And that's what I thought we were going to get in this movie,
00:49:00
Speaker
And then we didn't get it, but then there was moments where it was like, wait, are we going to get it? Exactly, yes. you know are we gonna and And I remember telling you for for Way of Water, I was like, you know are we going to see a face turn, which is a wrestling terminology where a bad guy becomes a good guy. And I was like, yo, are we going to get that in this movie? Like an arc, yeah.
00:49:20
Speaker
Yeah, but we didn't get that. But then... I don't know if we did, because the whole thing is this. you know As much as we want to say, oh yeah, Jake Sully and and him were fighting a lot, I don't think Jake Sully wanted to fight him anymore. I think Jake Sully has gotten to a point where he's like, I don't really want to fight you anymore, dude. I just want you to leave me and my family alone. yeah I don't want to kill you. I don't want to want you dead. want to. Neytiri wants you dead. That's the thing. She wants you yeah i don't I don't want to do that to you. Because, I don't know, for me, it almost still feels like Jake has some so segment of respect towards Corridge. He even still calls him Colonel. like you know like There's still that military aspect there where it's like he still kind of has respect for this dude.
00:50:11
Speaker
And... I think, you know, I think, I mean, if Jake Sully has to handle his business and has to kill him, he'll do it to protect his family like any, you know, father would at that moment. But, you know, the whole time, you know, Jake Sully was telling him, oh, you know, Colonel, open your eyes. You know, this world, you know, you're not, you know, that you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not that guy anymore. This is something else. This something bigger, you know, and it almost sounded like, like Jake Sully telling him, like, leave that shit behind, man Like,
00:50:39
Speaker
Like, be who you are now. Don't be who you used to be. And, like, I like Quaritch, man. he was he was one of the more He was one of the more charismatic characters in this movie. He was really funny. Funny, yeah. Really, really funny. brought some comic relief. Yeah, yeah he brought a lot of levity to the role, which I actually liked in and the movie, which I liked in the movie, needed that, because This movie was was very, very heavy. There was a lot of heaviness in this movie. um I, um you know, the the the whole, well, first of all, the movie literally picks up, like, maybe half an hour after, like, part two. um Like, it's, like, it literally picks up there. And
00:51:18
Speaker
um you see Neytiri and you see Jake dealing with the grief of losing their child, which is a big, big thing. Because we saw some of that in part two, but we saw that more in the end, right at the tail end. So you didn't really see them deal with the aftermath of that grief. And Neytiri is still in mourning. You see her in the beginning of the movie she has this shawl and she has the thing on her face. And it's like she's still in the mourning period of o it And, you know, you see ja Jake, is Jake is a military dude where he's like, you know what, um I'm just going to do my job. I'm to work. going prepare for protection for my family. And I'm just going to focus on that rather than than speak about, you know, my grief and what I'm dealing with, which is... typical you know tough military tough guy tough guy, military dad or a military person who who's like, you know, you know feelings, feelings, shmeelings. I'm going to focus on... I'm go put my head down and focus on that and work. and
00:52:19
Speaker
And, you know, you were talking you were talking about gripes with the movie. One of my gripes... And I didn't have many gripes with this movie. Actually, I i really enjoyed it a lot. i thought it was very, very good.
00:52:29
Speaker
um One of my gripes, though, that I did have was... i so i we still saw Jake being tough on Loak because the way it ended... Okay, thank you. i Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. yeah The way it ended, we saw that scene where Jake sees Loak talking to the way... and I keep calling him the way... I i forget the name of of the...
00:52:51
Speaker
Of the whale, yeah. yeah But um he, and then Jake tells him, oh, I see you. Almost kind of recognizing, like, yo, like, I see who you are now. And I thought, yo, you know what? That's, maybe that's it. That's the leaf. The leaf is turned, the page is turned, we're good. But then you still see Jake kind of, like, being a hard ass to this kid. And I'm like, yo, but you gotta chill. Like, you gotta chill with this kid. This is your only son that you have left. Like, you gotta relax. And he was still being real hard. But then, you know, the People that I was with, we had the conversation, they were saying, well, yes, he did that, but technically he's still dealing with the grief of losing a child and how that can be really, really hard. And I was like, yeah you know what? That's kind of true because you just don't turn over a new leaf right away. And maybe Jake Sully being in the moment and, and, and, and low X still kind of like being an occasional, you know, fuck up,
00:53:48
Speaker
And maybe it reminds, I mean, it was, you know, being the occasional fuck up, you know, he was kind of reminded like, yo, you know, your brother wouldn't have done this. You know what I mean? Like, and it's, it's something that that's probably in his mind.
00:54:01
Speaker
Um, but that did bother me though. I didn't like that because yeah again, what it did was, and it's, and this is kind of giving credence to what you were saying. It's kind of repetitive because we kind of saw him doing the same thing in, in part two.
00:54:15
Speaker
So yeah, I do see what you were saying that there was a lot of repetitiveness with a lot of the, the decisions that were made for this movie and for many of these characters where we're kind of seeing the same thing being brought up again, but in a new movie.
00:54:30
Speaker
You know what I mean? So, yeah, I could see that. um And I could see how maybe that kind of maybe taking people out of the movie for a bit because it's kind of like, yo, like we've we've seen this already. Like we did this the last movie. Like, what else are we doing? Like, what does this kid need to do to like exactly?
00:54:48
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Then the whole thing of like them prove the whole thing with the whales and them proving, you know, oh, well, no, it's this and that. And, you know, the whales have their own belief system. And I'm like, shit. Like, like i like I'm like, yo, this is like really heavy shit. But then in my mind, I'm like...
00:55:04
Speaker
I'm like, so so, and this is what i was like saying, oh yeah so the whales are are like essentially characters in this movie too. like they're Yeah. i i felt I felt very much like when it was like the whale stuff, I feel like I need to watch the movie again because i at a point got a little lost. Like i was like,
00:55:22
Speaker
wait, where was Loak this whole time? Like, I wasn't understanding the thing about, like, outcasting the whale. Like, that was such a like ah such a a focal point of the movie that, like, I was just, like, I was getting very confused because, and that's where there was so many plots that I started to get very, like,
00:55:43
Speaker
Not that didn't like it, but I was like kind of losing track because I was like, wait, okay, so we have the Ash people. Okay, now we're dealing with Nateri who like doesn't want Spider in her life. and Okay, and then now there's Spider. They kidnapped him. Okay, then now we have the whales and then they want to outcast the Loax friend, best friend, brother, who's the whale. and then i was like, wait, why are we outcasting the whales still? Why is this an... like Yeah, because that's what I found weird because it's like, yo, like, did y'all not forget a movie ago this whale like came in and saved everybody? And my thing is like, yo, couldn't like the tribal leader like tell his whale, though the the leader of the whales that yo, like, he came in and he saved everyone. But then again,
00:56:33
Speaker
They did say that the whales are very, like, gung-ho about their beliefs. And their whole thing was, like, you know, if you use violence, you're immediately outcast because we're trying to rid our people of that. We don't want to do that because violence brings more violence, which is, if you think about it, I get it. I get Because it is one of those things where, you know,
00:56:57
Speaker
You know, one interesting thing about this movie, and and and and this is this is credit to James Cameron, is this is another one of those movies like Wicked where it it kind of holds a mirror to to society. And a lot of there is a lot of lot of deep talk and topics in this movie that relate to violence as a whole.
00:57:22
Speaker
That our society, especially here in the States, You know, it's it's it's very violent. We talk about gun culture, which is a big thing in this movie, where we see the the guns being introduced to the fire tribe.
00:57:38
Speaker
um But then just the topic of just violence in general and and how that can drive you to to to commit horrible acts and how that can be an endless cycle. And I think the whales look at it like that. like They look at violence as an endless cycle. Like, where does it end? you know and then But then it's like, at the same time,
00:58:01
Speaker
You have the youngsters of the tribe siding with the young whales kind of saying like, listen, you know, we have to fight back because if we don't fight back, we're going to lose. So this movie is also it kind of talks about generations and about how you have this older generation who views things differently.
00:58:22
Speaker
differently, who've used things with a which a much with a much traditional approach, while you have the young generation who view things yes in a new kind of way of thinking, where because it's new and it's different, the older generation is afraid to embrace it because it goes against it. And that's kind of like a topic of conversation for anything in any walk of life. So I give James Cameron a lot of credit for quietly putting those types of thematics in this movie, you know, and dressing it up as an avatar movie. Like, there is a lot of that. Yeah. And I agree with you.
00:58:57
Speaker
I think this movie will merit really well for, like, a second a second watch. Yes. Because there's so much that is happening, that is going on with a lot of these characters. Like, that one scene...
00:59:09
Speaker
which is really powerful, where Neytiri and Jake are talking about, Neytiri's pretty much talking about like, oh, I hate them with their pink skin and this and that. Like, that shit was powerful because, you know, you can substitute what she said with something else and you could just be like, oh shit, like, you know, that's some racist shit. Racist shit, yeah. That's literally that. As long as all that has flat out said it, she's like, oh yeah, she's a racist in this movie. Yeah. She is. And it's one of those things where it's like, it's like, wow, you know, and And then you have Jake who pretty much you know kind of told her to her to her face that, yo, but you know you accepted me. you know I'm one of them.
00:59:48
Speaker
That's who I was. you know and And it's like, you know, your children are half that too. Yeah. You know? And I think that's where it kind of like brought, you know, Neytiri to like Earth a little bit. Not Earth, I'm sorry. It brought her down to Pandora with just with um with that with that talk. And like i said, there's a lot of very powerful moments in this movie that I give James Cameron a lot of credit to. A lot of very heavy moments.
01:00:18
Speaker
heavy topics that I think did need it to be discussed because I like, I actually, ah with I liken this movie almost like as a, A Way of Water, maybe 2.1. It's almost like a yeah they connect. Like, I would love... Honestly, you know, obviously when they come out and stuff, I would love to watch both of them. Like, right when one finishes. I mean, I got to find six hours on the day to do this. book Yeah, exactly. I would love to watch both of them kind of back to back. Because I think... I actually do think that watching them both like that might...
01:00:52
Speaker
making it an even better experience because you almost get the whole story. Yeah. swoop As opposed to waiting, you know, like for me, for instance, I saw, I saw a way of water this week. I saw it in different parts. We were watching go with my daughter. We had to split it up cause it's so long, but we watched it. So it's kind of, a lot of it was very fresh to me. Mm-hmm.
01:01:12
Speaker
But I imagine watching Way Water and then watching Fire and Ash right back right after each other. I think it would really, really connect even more. um But, you know, I really enjoyed the movie. I did. um I enjoyed so much. And I agree with you on a lot of what you said. I enjoyed the action sequences a lot. I think Quaritch was my favorite character. I think he was very, very interesting. he's very conflicted. Like there's a lot of like, is he bad?
01:01:41
Speaker
Or is there kind of like a, is there, no, he's not dead. Of course not. it was hard that He's hard to kill, man. That guy's a Marine. He's a Marine in an avatar. He fell into the fire.
01:01:53
Speaker
Remember? Yeah. yeah that shit was what what does What does he say before he threw himself in? He's like, well, ain't this a, he says something and then he throws himself. Yeah. and't this When he sees them, when he sees the whole fam, what does he say?
01:02:05
Speaker
I think it's something. Well, i ain't this a bitch. Yeah, yeah, this a bit. So then he like throws himself. And I'm like, how do you survive that? Quaritch, I think, is my favorite character. And again, go on Spider... um Yeah, I want talk about that. Spider annoyed the hell out of me in the second movie. It was very, very annoying. But in this movie...
01:02:27
Speaker
I didn't find them annoying. I think I think i actually didn't. I actually found them interesting because he became a focal point of the story. His whole thing with the little air tank thing became a big issue. Oh, it was a very big issue. But, okay, sorry. what i I didn't find him annoying. The only time I find him annoying is like when he's like doing the... like Very, like, kid stuff. Yeah.
01:02:49
Speaker
He's like, hey, look at me. Whatever. Like, whenever he acts like that, I'm always kind of just like, I get so, like, ah you're annoying. But then, like, I understood, like, his. mean, he's a teenager, technically. So he's going to do annoying shit like that. No, but Loak is. Like, I don't find the other teenagers as annoying. Well, i don't know. Kiri's.
01:03:09
Speaker
Kiri's an interesting character. We haven't talked about that. We haven't talked about that. we haven't even talked That's another whole other story part of the story too, right? That was like very crazy. And honestly, another reason why i need to watch it again. Because I was like, wait. two what What just happened? how does she How can she do this? how what how would she get like it was It's a lot. No, we said it. And and and again, I've got to go back to listen to our our review of Weird Water.
01:03:36
Speaker
yeah um But I said, and I remember every in that in that review, I said, like, is she kind of their Jesus Christ? And technically, she kind of is. You know, she was of she was a birth, a miracle birth, a virgin birth, per se, in a certain way. Did she say she's a clone?
01:03:54
Speaker
She's a clone. Yeah, yeah, she's a clone. She's like, oh, I'm a clone. But, like i i like, I don't know, maybe you can explain it to me. Because understand
Kiri's Character Complexity
01:04:01
Speaker
it works. Yeah, that whole thing was confusing, too. That whole thing was confusing, too. Yeah, I didn't get how that worked, either. But my thing is, like,
01:04:08
Speaker
okay, she's a clone, but there's there's an essence of Ewa there in her. You know, the fact that she's freaking commanding the the marine animals, like fucking Aquaman, like, yo, go and kill the the the surface, you know, the air people. Kill the people, and know like yeah.
01:04:24
Speaker
Like, yo, I was like, yo, like, she's like deadass, you know, commanding shit. yo Like, it was it was wild to me, man. And Yeah, like like I said, man, this movie merits... It does merit a a second watch because there's so much things thrown at you. There's so much information thrown at you.
01:04:39
Speaker
um Yeah, Kiri was a very interesting character... She's always been, in like, since the second movie, like, I found her to be very kind of, like, and I think also, I'm not going to lie, even though, like, I think what, i sometimes, i don't know if it's just me, but I get thrown out a little bit because I know she's being played by Sigourney Weaver, and Sigourney Weaver's, like, putting, like, this, like, voice on of like like, a 16-year-old kid. Yeah. and it sometimes it's just, like, I get thrown ah out of it because I'm just, like, ah And also, like, is she supposed to have a romance with Spider?
01:05:16
Speaker
That is like pretty obvious. That's coming off kind of very much like, you know, they had that moment where they they kissed. And Kitty's very kid is very like fond of of Spider, very caring of Spider. um So i we'll see where that leads to.
01:05:34
Speaker
But there's
Spider's Breathing Ability on Pandora
01:05:35
Speaker
definitely something there. There's something very interesting. Yeah. Don't know how they're going play that off, but I i mean, it's going to lead to something, clearly, because they wouldn't have put that scene where she kisses him and stuff and how he felt about her. You could see he was very smitten about it. And I just find it weird because it's Gordie Wade.
01:06:00
Speaker
The whole time. If this was just like some other kid, like I'd be like, oh, whatever. But because I knew that it's a 70-year-old woman like playing this like character and she's like kissing this 16-year-old. I was like, i it took me out of it. I'm not going lie. It took me out of it. I was like, this is literally me. in the theater I was like, oh.
01:06:25
Speaker
Yeah, a weird, weird, is weird is weird, weird. what weird But also, like, you know, at the end. Okay, what did you think about the whole spider thing? Like him now being able to breathe and growing the little thing, even though he's human. Like, what is your thought on that? Like, you a lot of people found that kind of weird?
01:06:44
Speaker
ah Okay, I didn't find it weird, but only because it solved the problem. And sometimes when you are, listen, when you are telling a story, you're a writer and you're, and you're, and you're a screenwriter and you're a director and you're trying to tell a story.
01:07:04
Speaker
We do put things in characters that are supposed to be kind of um bumps in the road to make the journey hard. But then even as a writer of or a creator of said character, those bumps that you create can be really fucking annoying. And the last thing you need is this kid having to...
01:07:25
Speaker
walk around with this mask and have to worry about carrying replacements and stuff and doing this and that. That's annoying because those are things you have to account for in the movie. Because, you know, unless you create some sort of system where it's, he doesn't need to put some sort of replacement things in it. um But that's the system that he has is what he has clearly. Because I
Spider's Transformation and Character Development
01:07:47
Speaker
think if, I think if,
01:07:49
Speaker
they wanted to keep it like that, they would have invented something. Oh, we created this special, whatever, whatever that, you know, it doesn't need a replacement to just recycles or whatever. I don't know.
01:08:00
Speaker
They could have done something like that, but they clearly did it. So that means that there's a reason they did it. There's probably some sort of path that this is leading them towards, or this is just something that's part of the story. So I figured James Cameron put this in where he essentially evolves the,
01:08:18
Speaker
In Pandora and becomes a new native. Because technically he's a native now. The fact that he's breathing their air. The fact that he has the the thing now.
01:08:30
Speaker
I forgot what they call it. But he has that now. And he's a native of Pandora. He was born there. he's these You know, this is... this is This is what he is. So I don't have a problem with it. I don't. I think if if if it serves the purpose of keeping the story moving without it causing too many issues, I actually think now it makes this character more interesting, to be honest with you. Because that's what I'm saying. Before I found them annoying, because this fucking kid just jumping around and like, you know, with the with the with the pain on his body and trying i do ha doing all that crap. like like like i was like I found it annoying. I found it really fucking annoying. the first in this In the second movie, I found it so annoying. Now, though, said, okay, you know what?
01:09:16
Speaker
you you You have a reason now to really be around these people, yo. You have a reason to to to so be with them and and and and and do all these things because now you are like a member of their family. You're a member of their people.
01:09:32
Speaker
So I think it worked. i think that this I think that that was a smart decision. Now I just
Human Characters' Relevance in Avatar
01:09:37
Speaker
hope that, you know, for the next movies, it grows into something. Yeah. it grows into something else where, you know, again, what if we see some interspecies thing there between him and, and Kirin. And that's where I think it's kind of going personally speaking, because that's what they're, that's how it all kind of like elude. Like, again, when they make decisions of that, like where the character kisses a character and then that character looks smitten, like,
01:10:00
Speaker
You don't do that just to have a cute moment. There's a reason for that. So yeah I figure in the next movies we'll get something. We're going to nasty. Yeah, because I always wonder, like i with that character, like I never knew like what was going to be. like I was like, is he going to get an avatar? like is he Or is he always going to be human? like yeah I don't want him to get an avatar. I i don't. Because see, then if you do that, then it's just like, it's too easy.
01:10:25
Speaker
And you know what? That's the one thing with these films. And that's one thing I give James Cameron a lot of credit is that you can't make things too easy. And it makes him interesting because now, which was the whole point of this movie, is like, you know, they want to study him. They want to study how he become, how did he became this? You know, then they said, oh it was like some sort of symbiote or something that's in his body that kind of like mimicked his um his nervous system. and So I figured that in the next movie, whenever that's going to be... First of all, I'm making i'm making predictions. I think the next movie, there's going to be a major time jump in the next movie. It has to be as they said it I think someone has said it's supposed to be like eight years or something. Yeah, there should be.
01:11:03
Speaker
um i i'm making the I'm under the assumption that the scientists studied him enough where someone figured out how to how to mimic that. And I think that's the next thing that's going to happen with that.
01:11:16
Speaker
Is just that. All right. um christ Let's talk about humans. We still have two things. that that we were we so We haven't even talked about the Ash people. We haven't even talked about... Well, let's talk about it. let's let's let's lets let' let ah let's go Let's go bullet point on this. Go ahead. Yeah. um But since we're talking about humans, just kind of like want to talk about that aspect. And I think the reason why this this movie to me...
01:11:43
Speaker
at one point I was like, why the fuck are we still after Jake? Because the first movie was so long ago that the fact that, you know, cor is still like after, like we need to bring him in. And I'm like, what, what, what is like, why are people after him? It's like, I couldn't, like, I was just so confused. I'm like, why can't we just stand alone?
01:12:05
Speaker
Like having him like the news and they're like the, but he betrayed the U S and I'm like, whoops why what It has been how long? Why do we need this person so bad? like Why is it such a focal point about taking him in? like That's literally all Cortez does. It's like, I can bring him in. I know what to do. but like The whole second movie was that. Now, this whole movie was all about that. They finally get him, and it's like they want to kill him because he like betrayed the human race. like It just got to a point where I was like, how did we...
01:12:38
Speaker
get here like why is this random military man so important that like we need to like bring him in right i don't know to me i was kind of just like but um and the humans like i just always find the humans are obviously the most less interesting parts of these movies because i'm just like yeah i do too why are you here like they brought back what's his name from the first movie Giovanni Ribisi, yeah. yeah i was like Well, I guess he's the
Critique on Human Subplots in Avatar
01:13:05
Speaker
he's the money. he's the He's the guy that that that is that is um you know partly funding. I think they mentioned, oh, my father or something. They mentioned something about his father. Yeah, something about his father. and So part of me wonders, is that going to play a part in the next movie where maybe his father is going to be involved because of the money and all that stuff? Like, I don't know. Part of me wonders of all that stuff.
01:13:25
Speaker
I was just like, and then also like the guy who got his arm cut off. I thought he died. So i was like, oh, fuck. Well, you're still here. think he finally died. Yeah. When I saw was like, i'm great. This fucking guy.
01:13:36
Speaker
i was like, this guy. Yeah. i See, like those are the things. Those are the things where this is where I kind of agree with you. Like it was a lot of that was repeated. Like i was like, we we did all this shit in the second movie already. Like we're still we're still looking for this, ah the whatever they call it, that formula. Well, I get it.
01:13:53
Speaker
i get it They need the formula from the whales because it lets them live longer. But then then then there's also the other thing now with the, oh, we need to get it because we need to figure out how we can live on Pandora, right? Now that they have that. So there's like two different things. But yeah, like, I thought, why couldn't that character just die? we didn't need to see him again. But why is this necessary? Then you have the guy, the...
01:14:14
Speaker
the scientist that's like working for them that's like feels bad. Why is he still there? Like fucking leave these people. Work with the Navi. I thought he was going jump ship. Like he's going to like, okay, I'm gonna work with the Navi people. And the fact that he was still here yet again being like, we shouldn't do this. This is, this is whales have minds and they're very smart creatures. I'm like, we've already done this.
01:14:36
Speaker
Let's keep it rolling. Like for me personally. Yeah. But you know what? a human push human ah I'll push back on that a little bit because Remember, we did say this movie does take, literally take, it picks off where the other one left off at. So time hasn't necessarily passed yet like that for him to like, and then my thing is like, where's he going to go?
01:15:02
Speaker
No, legitimately. He could have gone with the Na'vi people. i don't think it's I don't think it's that easy. I don't think it's that easy. like i don't I don't think he's go what they're going to take him off base. He's going to walk through the forest. He didn't walk Central Park. me He could be with, what's his name, Norm and the other scientists. Norm doesn't even know. They don't know who that guy is. They don't know him.
01:15:25
Speaker
He wasn't part of their thing, so they don't know him. So I don't think it's that easy. I think in the next movie we'll see that happen because obviously he put a he he pretty much like put his is he put a line in the sand on where he was at.
Narrative Stakes: Character Deaths
01:15:39
Speaker
What did he say it when he' when he saved them? He's like, oh, take this for... He said something.
01:15:44
Speaker
Yeah, i forgot what it was. he Yeah, but then we didn't see his character again. Yeah, I kind of I did kind of like that. He had his moment like what you said, though. He kind of had that moment in this movie, though. He kind of with the decision that that i'm yeah then that he did it. So I know he was going to do that. yeah So I'm glad that he did because he was just fed up and he had his blow up moment and he did.
01:16:03
Speaker
um And then, yeah, the whaling guy, like when I saw him, I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing back? killing me just like like snap fake arm I was like, oh, God. what's him that one next They're going to find him. He's going to have the legs so two with the robotic legs. are so so like Oh, no, they took him down to the abyss. is he's yeah at the I think he actually died now. Thank God. yeah he's gone um But OK, so that's that was my thought about the human things. like i I just didn't understand, like, I guess why this whole thing about. Oh, yeah. The general that general. She was.
01:16:36
Speaker
I thought we were going to. I thought she was going to play a bigger role in this movie than what she did. she was She was actually useless. like I'm surprised that Edie Falco is a very good actress. And I feel like that's one role that was very much just... It could have been bigger. It could have been bigger.
01:16:56
Speaker
It could have been a bigger role. Or that could have just literally been anybody. That could have been anybody. But did she die? think she dies. I'm assuming she died because the whole ship thing. She was on the ship thing. Yeah, I don't know, man. I just...
01:17:11
Speaker
Humans are always. Yeah. Like, like it doesn't work. it does It just doesn't. I swear to God, if it in the next movie, they're like, we need to bring Jake in. I'd be like, fuck no. It's fuck.
01:17:25
Speaker
No. Like, I can't.
01:17:30
Speaker
Like, I, it's been three movies. We don't, this man, just let him live. Let's just leave him alone. Just say he died because I am tired of that storyline. There is no reason why Jake has to be yet again, be like, okay, the best thing we can do is just let them take me. I got sacrifice myself.
01:17:47
Speaker
By the way, speaking of not dead, no one died. No one died. There was a moment there where thought it was going to happen. I was like, oh shit, is James Cameron going to pull the old bad guy's win? I thought it was going to happen. I was like, oh shit, it's going to happen. One of these people
Kiri's Connection with Ewa
01:18:06
Speaker
are going to die and it didn't happen. mean, Empire Strikes Back. I thought we were going to get it and it didn't. And you know what?
01:18:11
Speaker
I would typically be upset about it, but I'm okay with it. in in no okay I'm okay with it. um Again, I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the movie.
01:18:22
Speaker
um I'm okay with the decision of not doing it. um Again, this is this was a film that it took place literally right after the second movie. like Not time passed. like I think if time would have passed, like if you told me this movie started five years after the events of of Way of Water, then I would have been like, okay...
01:18:45
Speaker
then you know something that's fine. But I think it would have been too soon at that moment at the for them because you lost a kid then you're to a parent. I think it would have been too soon. Again, if there was a time jump, if it was like a five-year gap or something since the death of the oldest son and and then the of the story, then I would have been like, okay, we have to someone has to die. A parent has to die. But, you know, there were a lot of losses, though. There were a lot of losses. Kate Winslet's character and then her her son, too, passed away. there was There was a lot of losses. And it was something where where, you know, in the next film, wherever it goes, wherever it's going to be, you know, that's going to be a big a big part of of of that movie. You know what I mean? um
01:19:33
Speaker
Yeah. um The decisions in this film were... Very, how can I say, ah some of them were surprising, but some of them, again, i I can't argue against James Cameron in what he does, because I feel that there is a purpose to the things that he does.
01:19:56
Speaker
And at the end of the day... he doesn't He doesn't make many mistakes. you know Are there going to be decisions that are made that we don't agree with with him? Yes, of course. We could say that about any filmmaker. No filmmaker's perfect.
01:20:10
Speaker
um Are there things that we wish maybe he could have done a little bit better? Yeah, that's fine. We could say that. But you know he's that the he's the one that's he's a director. He's the one that's telling his story. He's telling what he he wants to say. And as much as you dislike Spider...
01:20:28
Speaker
His decision of making Spider and a full native where he's able to breathe without the apparatus and stuff, that's the purpose of telling the story. you know Same thing as Kiri being able to communicate directly with Ewa and be almost like um a mouthpiece. when By the way, I want to talk about that scene where where she's going through the bush and you see Ewa. That scene was amazing. Let me tell you something. To me, there was something about that scene that... beautiful where you see the face and like the face is kind of turning a Mackenzie said that Mackenzie said my daughter she was like oh Awa gave Kiri the ah the bombastic side eyes she was like yeah she was like like I want to talk you right now but that was really cool like like when you think of because you know essentially that's like their God so it's like when you think about like seeing God like what would God look like
01:21:23
Speaker
Like, what what would God be in front of you? Like, you would think of God as being this is this immense thing, which is what Ewa looked like. And that was so cool. It was very haunting, actually. Like, kind of scary because you see something that's this big, but then you see that it has a face. it's like, oh, so you have a face. Face, yeah. You know, and then you're kind of peeking and like, yo, what do you look like? Because I was looking, I was like, yo, but Ewa, Ewa didn't look Na'vi to me.
01:21:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. She looks like a human. She looks like a human. I'm like, wait. Yeah. Interesting. I didn't know about that. I was like, what is this? It was strange to me.
01:22:05
Speaker
But strange in a good way. But strange in a good way. And that was such a cool scene. I really enjoyed it. By the way, I want to ask you. That scene... towards the end when they all kind of get together and and meet Awa where you know Katie's going and she's trying to fight through the bush and then so Spider goes in and he joins her yeah and then and then i love first of all the the little the the little girl what's her name? Tuk Tuk Tuk?
01:22:32
Speaker
tucked yeah oh man she's so cute and and i like that she had her moment of bravery like she actually said no i'm gonna go down down and i love that i thought that was very cool she went down and helped and she joined him you know what that reminded me of that reminded me of guardians of the galaxy the first one when they all kind of when they all get the um the oh my god yeah and And then the the the stone was purple and the light in that scene was purple too. was like, that kind of reminded me of Guardian Galaxy. was like, oh, there's a little bit of a Guardians thing there. Yeah. Oh, wow. And that's what
Symbolic Animals in Avatar
01:23:06
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catapulted her to meet. I thought that was pretty cool. That was that was a very cool scene. I enjoyed that.
01:23:12
Speaker
I did. No, that was very, very cool. And then those little octopussy things came. Yeah, like squids or cuttlefish. They're like squids. Yeah, those are really cool. I was like, oh, those are killed. Yeah, they killed everyone, man. Yeah. You know, again, that's one of the scenes that you say is like, it's kind of amazing. Yeah, but I will say I wish there were more animals because I feel like – but then that's when it would like really be like the first one because in the first movie when that happens, it is such a cool moment. it is. The first time that that happens and all the animals come and it's like the – oh, and that was another reason why it was similar.
01:23:49
Speaker
Did you notice that? What made it even more similar was Remember – Technically, remember in the first Avatar, that thing that goes after Jake, that panther looking thing? That panther looking thing, yeah. Technically is like bad, but in the end, it like bows to the Tyrion, she gets on it and it's like one, like they're one. Yeah.
01:24:13
Speaker
Did you realize that those squid things were like bad? Mm-hmm. I in that moment I was like oh that's literally like a callback to the first movie because that squid thing well was what was going after low-ack yeah when he was looking for the whale the whale yeah I was like it's kind of a callback to that it was like a bit of a callback and I noticed that after I was like isn't that thing the thing I was trying to kill low-ack like an hour ago Yeah. oh Yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right
Ash People: Cultural and Villainous Role
01:24:40
Speaker
about that. Oh, wait, wait. will We got to talk about the Ash people. I know before we wrap everything up. Oh, yeah. The the fire people. people um can i Can I say something? I'm going to say something that's going to be funny, but i don't know if you're going to get it. I'm going to say this. Hashtag Space Coke.
01:24:55
Speaker
Okay. they were doing like so They were doing space cocaine.
01:25:03
Speaker
Dude, Quaritch was tripping balls. And we were tripping balls with him because we were like in there. Like we right we were looking through his eyes. Definitely. This was Cameron. When Cameron, you did LSD all those years back in the 60s and the 70s and everything was rainbow colored and every the sound was amplified. He's like, what the hell is this? Dude, that scene was crazy. i mean yeah can't believe I can't believe Cameron gave us an IMAX 3D sequence of what it feels like to do space drugs as a Navi. But here we are. here we are what a thought yeah Who would have thought? That was really cool. That was that was fun. And um the the the fire the Fire Tribe, ah very cool. I got to say, it was very interesting to see another... um
01:25:55
Speaker
Another ah tribe tribe from Pandora, um especially this one, which is like a villainous tribe, you know, where, where you know, they weren't they weren't with the norm of what it would be like to be a regular Na'vi. These were obviously non-believers of Ewa, you know? And and she she had a reason. She said kind of like, oh, you know, that they were forest people and and and they burn everything burned and Ewa didn't save them, but the fire did. And she just the lady kind of became a deity to the to their people, you know? Because you her manipulate the fire where she was touching the fire and stuff. And, and you know, how she manipulated...
01:26:37
Speaker
I guess her tribe by by doing the whole drug thing to them and and and then doing that cool thing where she she takes her tentacle and powers that down. So like she was very much a very cool character because she was genuinely evil. Like she's just
Religious Themes in Avatar
01:26:54
Speaker
she's bad. Like there's when you look at her and you see how her motives and her actions um As much as they tried to, quote unquote, humanize her by saying like her or giving her a reason why she became bad. Oh, you know, my family died. We were forced people and she died. They died because of the fire in AWOL. You know, she chose to be the way she is. And, you know, it's.
01:27:18
Speaker
she theyre They are a very violent tribe and very scary. like Very, very scary. Oh, yeah. And then like the way that they were and the way they like killed the other Navi, they cut off their connection. It's almost like it's almost like indigenous tribe it's almost like the indigenous of tribes back in like in the 1600s here where they would scalp you know um yeah ah people you know on the plains or whatever. It's like they were scalping people on on on Pandora by taking off the the tentacle thing. and it was very um yeah It was very jarring to see that because, again, you know we haven't really seen that in any of the movies. So to see that cart see those characters do that, um very scary, I got to say. That was scary, man. and but she It was very very well done. She was a very good very very good character. And I liked the...
01:28:11
Speaker
Like her and Nateri, like they were pretty much at always like after each other in a way. Yeah. um I thought that was like a really cool um situation. go Yeah. I really liked that. The dynamic there. There, yes word. um Well, she's not dead. So, but that was really cool when Nateri, not Nateri, Kiri like did the thing to her.
01:28:34
Speaker
Yeah. Oh man. That was, oh, by the way. after By the way, that... Okay, so i don't know if you've gotten if you got the reference to that. So Kiri attached her tentacle to to the Fire Witch's tentacle.
01:28:48
Speaker
And she said... Didn't she say something along the lines of, like, get away from my mother, you bitch? Is that what she said? Yeah, i think she said you bitch, yeah. Okay, so she said that. So that is a callback to Aliens.
01:29:03
Speaker
Part 2. Where... Sigourney Weaver is in a robot and the alien queen is about to attack the girl. forgot her name and the little girl. And Sigourney Weaver says, get away from her, you bitch. was a very iconic scene.
01:29:20
Speaker
Oh. And in this scene, we have Sigourney Weaver do the same thing. Aliens directed by James Cameron. James Cameron. Oh, wow. That's a cool callback. That's a little callback there. I thought that very cool. I liked seeing that. thought that was very awesome. Um...
01:29:38
Speaker
Man, that whole sequence, that whole sequence, though, um the last listen, the last 30 minutes of that movie is is is very much like, you know, kind of edge of your seat. Go, go, go, go. Because there's so much that's going on.
01:29:54
Speaker
And yeah, man, there was a point there where I was like, yo, like, like these, these people might lose. Are we losing? I was like I was gonna say, was yo, are we losing? Is this gonna happen?
01:30:06
Speaker
You know, and and, you know, obviously it didn't happen. But... That was, like, the first one, right? Yeah. They were winning, and then they were losing. And i remember, Michelle Rodriguez's characters died. You know that song? Yeah. but And it's, like, really sad, because it's, like, oh, my God, like, they lost. And then Ewa comes. Ewa.
01:30:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, Ewa comes and does her thing. And I think that i think that's one of the things with this movie is the... um it is Again, and this goes back to the the topics of of of faith and and having that. and And it's funny because I wanted to do research on James Cameron because my wife did make a mention of like, like i wonder if James Cameron is Catholic because there's like a lot of like themes here on faith in and things like that. So I said, let me let me look it up. And I looked it up and and no, he's not. He's he's he's um he's atheist actually. Yeah.
01:31:02
Speaker
Um, and yeah, which is crazy because this movie is very much a very, very, um, uh, movie that talks a lot about faith and what it is to, to, to, to to to to have faith in a deity like AWOL, like, you know, that those are, those are very heavy topics and, and essentially, um,
01:31:24
Speaker
the the Na'vi won because, you know, they they asked for help from Ewa. They prayed to... to Well, Kiri did. She begged for for for assistance from Ewa. And that's how they were able to pull through on that battle. And again... um very heavy topics dressed up as a science fiction movie. And I mean, isn't that what it is throughout history through books, you know, Lord of the Rings, and you know, Narnia, um you know, even in comic books, you know, Superman. And and like, you know, they these are all, these are all stories that talk about, you know, faith and, and religion wrapped up in a,
01:32:09
Speaker
you know, and in a science fiction kind of bubble and a blanket. And, you know, Avatars is is one of those types of films that it it talks about these topics, but it does it in a very different way. And I credit James Cameron for for making those topics interesting because, yeah, those topics can be kind of preachy and boring when you talk about it from the original concept. But when you
Box Office Performance and Viewing Experience
01:32:34
Speaker
put these other characters, these other elements in, oh, put it in a different world, we're going to make this interesting.
01:32:40
Speaker
And he did, man. And again, this movie, for for what it's worth and for what it is, ah did very well in the box office. It didn't do...
01:32:51
Speaker
ah crazy numbers from like part one, I'm part one, part two did, you but um it did open domestically, I believe to $88 million, dollars which you may be like, Oh, well, that's not a lot. um um Compared to way of water, which opened up to 134 million, which is a lot A lot more. But but it did make um global opening weekend was $345 million, which I think is really, really good. um
01:33:23
Speaker
And yeah honestly, the number is going to grow on that. It's going to grow on that. um This movie internationally is probably going to do very, very well. um And again, it yeah you see this on IMAX, you see it in 3D. It's a freaking ride, man. Like, it really, really is Like, just...
01:33:46
Speaker
3D, I would say, for ah for other movies, I think have died. But for Avatar, it just works. It works so well. You have to watch it like that. It's not a gimmick. And that's the one thing that James Cameron doesn't do. He doesn't treat 3D as a gimmick. He doesn't do that cheap little bar trick of like, oh, yeah, we're going to...
01:34:06
Speaker
put ah ah you know an arrow and we're going to point it right at the face of the camera. No, no, no. no He doesn't result to doing those things. He uses the world of Pandora as a way of almost pulling you in to ah that world. He uses the 3D as a way of pulling you into the world, of making you feel like you're part of it, where you can feel like you can touch that leaf and feel that water. you know um And he does it so well. He does it in such a subtle way without you know having to deal without having to use these little cheap little tricks that other 3D filmmakers attempted to do that made scenes so corny.
01:34:49
Speaker
But he didn't for this film, and it and it worked so well. And again, I think this movie's going to do well. um Is it going to get the $2 billion that he's saying it, that he says that they need?
01:35:01
Speaker
I don't know. It's possible. like Like, if you were to tell me... you know If you were to tell me in in in February, hey, Rod, Avatar made $2 billion, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It really wouldn't. It really would not because, it' again, this is a film that I think a lot of people are going to go back to and watch. yeah as much as we say watch yeah As much as we say, oh, it's a three-hour-and-something movie, people are going to go back and watch this film because they they that that world is just so beautiful and it's so nice to be in and to and to just like...
01:35:35
Speaker
experience
Personal Rankings of Avatar Series
01:35:37
Speaker
yeah you know I'm telling you I think I think I think this movie's gonna do well things gonna be think it's gonna be fine um yeah okay so my um one of my questions here is like now you know we're kind of talking about the future or how we how we rank these movies whatever our thoughts are now that we've seen all three do you feel like it has like from one to three it is a cohesive story that connects and you know, where do we, like, where do you put this third one? Do you feel like it's better than Avatar Way of Water, better than the first one? Where are you I, I think, I think I like this one better than Way of Water.
01:36:22
Speaker
I do. I think I like it better than Way of Water because, um, how can I say? it's Avatar. Yeah. I think it's out the best i dick Avatar the first is still the best one. The original is still the best one because it's the first one. It's the one yeah that introduced everything. It's it's the it's the base.
01:36:40
Speaker
ha And without the base, without the foundation, you can't make the house. yeah and And this one is that. But again, i um and i'm me putting this over Way of Water doesn't mean that Way of Water is a bad movie or that it's the worst one out of all of them. I'm going to say that the Way of Water and and Fire and Ash are complementary movies, that they complement each other. Yes, I agree. Literally. So it's like it feels like, it's hard for me to say, oh yeah, this is like this, but it's cause they, they, they connect so well. And that's why I said like, I can't wait to have that ability where I could like watch way of water and then watch fire and ash right after. Cause I really do think that, that, that watching that, watching them in that space and that gap, I think is going to make the movie feel even better. It's going to make, it's going to make fire and ash even better.
01:37:33
Speaker
It really is. It really, really is. So, Yeah, in terms of my ranking, if I am ranking, I would say Avatar the original is still the the best one because it's it started all it started it all. It had all the elements that it needed to. um And then... um Again, I did like a lot of the decisions that he did and in Way of Water. I like a lot of the little things that he did and that I thought was cute. And yeah, we did get introduced to the to the full Sully family there. Yeah. um Which I appreciate and I like.
01:38:06
Speaker
um But then this movie, it it takes us in a different direction where it's like we're dealing with their mourning of the loss of of the oldest son. and how all these characters kind of...
01:38:20
Speaker
they're all but they're And they're all kind of dealing with with the moral it. Their own thing. And they're dealing with their own things as well. That's another big thing. Yeah. um yeah Okay. Yeah, no, I guess I would i would agree with that. um
Future of Characters and Series
01:38:33
Speaker
ah so I will say, though, like I think because the first movie came out so long ago. 2009. It just almost feels like its own movie in a way.
01:38:45
Speaker
Like, I feel like two and three are like one movie and Avatar 1 is one movie. Even though yeah they are connected. said it perfectly there. My God, you said it better than I could right there.
01:38:56
Speaker
Like, it's literally just feels like i like Avatar 1 is, that's one movie. And then because it was so long until the second one and then not so long until the third one, it feels like two and three go together and one is like its own thing. And it's, it's, it's interesting. So no, no, you made it, you, you made you made a great point there. That is so true. Avatar one does feel like being that it was released so long ago.
01:39:22
Speaker
It's, it it felt like its own kind of movie. And then these two do feel very much complimentary. Like it was a sequel. Like yeah when this movie came out and then they made a sequel. But I think, I think supposedly, I think they were supposed to be one movie.
01:39:35
Speaker
I think that's Jim Cameron. I think said that. Because they shot him. They were shooting him at the same time. Yeah. I think it was supposed to be one movie. And then he was like, yeah, there's too much in here. We're going have to split. We're going to have to make. Okay. So this. Yeah. I could see why, though. I could see why he did that. Because it is too much. Because I think it would have been too much. It would have been too heavy to have a movie where.
01:39:57
Speaker
You had the son pass away and be killed and everything after. I think it have been a lot. And then you have Spider. Then you have to find out about Kiri being a clone. Yes, would have been too much. would be way too much information. Introducing all the whales and then adding the whales and then adding villains and then also adding Quartage back into the story. It would have been a lot. It would have been way, way, way too much. Yeah, it would have been lot. But...
01:40:22
Speaker
oh Just to wrap up, before we wrap up, up your I guess my next my last question or last thing to and know think about here is, do they you know do you want do you want to see more of this world? Or are you happy if they were like, this is the last movie was after our Fire Emblem Ash and we never see these characters again? Or are you like, oh no, I'd actually be really intrigued to see Because, you know, what where do we go from here, right, is the actual question, right? Because this three movie arc, <unk> we're here.
01:40:57
Speaker
So and then what is the next three? What is the next story? Is that something that you would be interested in seeing? or you could Yeah, yeah. I would be interested in seeing it. You know what, though? i I'll be honest with you. i I want to see the i want to see the um conclusion of i want to see the conclusion of jake sully's story Oh, you don't think it's over?
01:41:20
Speaker
No, I don't think it's over. And when I mean Jake Sully, I mean just that whole saga, the Jake Sully-Nateri saga. because And then granted, listen, the movie did end with Loak being the voiceover.
01:41:34
Speaker
It wasn't Jake Sully. Well, you started at the end of it, yeah. Yeah, so that's... that's you know And that's kind of an indicator of where the movie's going, of maybe who's taking control of things. Maybe the next movie is about Loak kind of coming into his own and being an older being being an you know an older man almost, you know a older young man, not a teenager. And maybe Jake Sully being older, maybe not as quick as he used to be. you know it could be though it could be that, which
01:42:08
Speaker
which i think makes sense. um So you don't think that Jake Sully is done? No, I don't think it's done his ark is done. I don't think it's done because I think they left too many things open. i think if you would Honestly, I think if we would have saw Quaritch die and it was at the hands of Jake Sully, I think there I would have been like, okay, that's it because this is...
01:42:32
Speaker
This is pretty much it. But the fact that they left him out there where he's still alive, because he's still alive. We didn't see a body. We didn't see we didn't see him like get shot between the eyes. or that he's He's still alive. um So I still think there's more story there to tell. But I do think that in the next movies, we we really legitimately might see the kids take...
01:42:58
Speaker
total control of of of the story. We might see Loak take control the story. We might see Kiri take control of the story as, you know, a as like a vessel for Ewa or something, you know? I would i honestly i have no idea where the story would go from. Like, i other than it just being like, okay, the humans want to, you know, be on Pandora. But like, with the inner characters, I guess I just, like, with the characters, like...
01:43:25
Speaker
Like the the kids. Like, I do wonder, like, what what their roles are going to be. and Like, are they still going to be with the water people? Like, where are they going to be? Well, he he's... he Well, they did say that that's that that's their tribe now, is that, that they're the water people. That's their tribe. And and you saw ah Kate Winslet's character kind of say, like, you know, can you watch over the new the new baby? And I think... Yeah. I think Natiri is going to take that to heart. Like, I really legitimately do think that that's something that she's going to to heart. She's going to be there. But, you know... um
01:43:58
Speaker
If they do decide to be like, we're not going to do any more of these or whatever, I think you have enough to just be satisfied with it. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, I'm not satisfied. I'm satisfied with with what we've gotten so far. You know, yeah, is Quaritch alive somewhere? Yeah. Yeah, maybe he's alive. But um I think... um I think you can be okay with with it if they can see if if it ends like that, you know? I think you can we can we can move on and move forward with with our lives if they say, oh, yeah, no more. We're not going to,
Speculations on Series' Future and Production
01:44:32
Speaker
you know... the Because, okay, yeah, this wasn't like a solid, you know, solid lock ending. It wasn't.
01:44:40
Speaker
No, I didn't feel like that at But... I guess with them accepting Spider and their society, and it its it it it it does give kind of a happy ending in that aspect for Spider.
01:44:56
Speaker
It's like what he's always wanted, right? It's what he's always wanted and be one of the people. And and the other thing is, remember, the first two Avatar movies ended with Jake Sully. The eyes. The eye looking in. And this one was different. This one was, it showed Pandora.
01:45:14
Speaker
You know, so I don't know what that means. Does that mean like you know Pandora? Yeah. Like it showed it zoomed out. It it showed them like a holding um spider. Yeah. And then the camera zoomed out, zoomed out, zoomed And then you see the planet of Pandora.
01:45:29
Speaker
Oh, yes. Yes, that's right. Right, right, right. Yeah. Right. OK. Yeah. um So, yeah. Like, I don't know. What does that mean? Does that mean like there's like some sort of unity or something? Who knows? Maybe maybe so. yeah We don't know. We'll have to wait and see until they decide. Yeah, we're going do more movies. or now I wonder when they're going to decide and then we'll probably be like um another 10 years. I don't know how long. ah Well, last I checked here, I saw the thing. It said that It said schedule wise, 2029 would be the next one. ah
01:46:01
Speaker
And then 2031 would be the other one. Well, if you think about him man well we're twenty twenty five sure it, 2025? It'll be like three years, basically. Yeah, it's not that far off. It's really not. Well, I mean, if because like first they have to film the thing.
01:46:16
Speaker
And then, you know, how long it takes to film it. Well, I guess it all depends, like, if they get, if they if they decide to, like, greenlit, like, three movies. Or is it just two, right? Because then they could just do the whole thing again where they just film it back back again. i think that's what they'll do. And i think I think, honestly, I think what will happen is this. i make this I'll make the prediction. I feel that Disney will greenlight four and five and that will be it.
01:46:39
Speaker
That will be the end of the saga. um you'll have five movies to tell to tell the story of Jake Sully and Nateri and their family. And that's all you're going to get.
01:46:51
Speaker
So I think what will happen is they'll probably shoot it back to back or at the same time. That way, you know, we get those releases and stuff. Because, you know, again, this is a Disney property.
01:47:02
Speaker
um And these movies do release in December. But, you know, they have other properties being released. So they're not going to want to have... like a Lord of the Rings style thing where they had, you know, Lord of the Rings come out every December for three years in a row. They're not going to do that with this one. I wish
Conclusion and Preview of Future Topics
01:47:19
Speaker
they would. i think that would be really cool.
01:47:21
Speaker
But again, we got a couple in MCU being releasing stuff in December. Star Wars eventually coming back to December, releasing a movie at some point. So Disney can't just be like, oh, well, you know, we have Avatar coming out this December. and No, we have Avatar coming out next December. Remember, next yeah december yes next December is Avengers Doomsday. So, essentially, they're that's how it's going to be spaced Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, you're right. didn't even think about that. Yeah.
01:47:48
Speaker
Wow. Well, guys, I think... Is there anything else you want to cover? No, no. I think we kind of chatted about everything. Yeah, chatted a lot. We chatted about everything. at day I enjoyed this movie a lot. I do want to give it ah a rewatch. And I think... I think maybe after we do a rewatch, maybe we should kind of give a little chat again, just talk kind of talk about how we felt after a rewatch. I think a rewatch would definitely help.
01:48:11
Speaker
I really do. Yeah, because, i firm i ah for me, I really feel that way because it was just like, ala oh, I did fer forgot to mention about the high frame rate. So I don't, rather my screen wasn't on high frame rate. if They forgot to put it because I didn't notice any difference. Like, it felt the same to me. No, I noticed it. I think mine's just high frame rate.
01:48:34
Speaker
I think mine's just high frame rate. I noticed it. Unless maybe I'm just just like... Because to me, the only time it it always... and Unless I just got adjusted to it pretty quickly. You might even got adjusted to it.
01:48:46
Speaker
Yeah, maybe it was because like for me, it was only like when the movie first started because it starts off with action. Yeah. so it's like So you saw how they looked though, right? It looked live. It didn't look like it didn't have that film it didn't have that film smoothness.
01:49:01
Speaker
it had almost like a live kind of look type thing. That's what high frame rate is. You just got used to it, though. Maybe I just got used to it really fast. Because for me, I just felt like, because the movie started off like flying, and my eyes, like where i was like, oh, God, like it felt weird on my eyes. And I was like, oh, is this the high frame rate Rodney was talking about? But couldn't really tell because I was just like, i trying to look for like I'm trying to look for the high frame rate. I'm like, does this look live? I'm like, is it i'm like it's actually just my eyes are needing to adjust to all the movement that's going on.
01:49:31
Speaker
But then like probably like 15 minutes in, like I was so into it. Like I didn't even know. And maybe it's just because i don't know. Maybe I just I don't know. My eyes just adjust really quickly that I don't know what it looks like not in high frame rate. So maybe next when I watch, I should watch. Well, I'll tell you what. memory I'll tell you what.
01:49:51
Speaker
Whenever you get a chance, go and put on Disney Plus and go watch um Watch Way of Water there and you'll see the difference. Ah, OK. see the difference. Because of the the one of Disney Plus is in high frame rate.
01:50:05
Speaker
No, I think that's only in the movie theater, right? Exactly. That's why I said you'll notice it right away. Because there's a film, there's a smoothness. a film smoothness. when you're watching um regular film and then when you watch high frame rate, it's like that filter, that that that that smoothness filter is taken off. And it's like, not that it's not smooth when it's a high frame rate, it's just it looks, the movements look live. Like it looks real, looks live. Maybe that's why, to me, the movie looked so amazing because it was in high frame rate. Like, I was like, oh, my God, it looks so real. Like, maybe that's what it was. Like, I was just like, felt like maybe that's why I felt even better was because it was in high frame rate. Yeah, it could be. um could be. It could be, yeah.
01:50:48
Speaker
But anyway, all right, guys. So I hope you enjoyed this episode. This was a really fun one. As always, always have a really good time chatting away on this podcast. Christmas is coming up. So we wish you a happy holiday season. We will not see you until January. um i think I know. I think we we filmed another episode that actually going put in between this. film Put this one out and then it's going another one to put out. But.
01:51:15
Speaker
Basically, we won't be having a brand new episode until probably somewhere in the mid-January. So it'll be a while before you talk to us, but we'll talk we'll be talking about the Golden Globes and all all the awards season because we're getting into the awards season. It's going to be lots got going on there. um so that's probably what we're going be chatting about a lot. And also probably by then, all the trailers for Avengers will be out. So we'll definitely talk about those. I'm actually surprised they haven't leaked the Thor one yet.
01:51:44
Speaker
I'm like, is it out? Has it been leaked? Well, supposedly the Spider-Man trailer is leaked too already. Like you can find it on Instagram. really? Yeah, supposedly. Fuck me. I just, I don't get it. just finished. But wait, how could that be? They just literally finished filming like a week ago. How do they already have trailer for it? No, you can have a trailer for it because, I mean, you shoot enough to get stuff. And it's a teaser. It's not a full, full trailer. So you can have enough to put in a teaser. Who do you think Sandy Sink is playing?
01:52:15
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I don't know. I heard people say it's Jean Grey. i don't i honestly don't know. Jean Grey? But she's not in Spider-Man. No, she's not. She's an X-Men character, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
01:52:28
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who she's playing. um' I'm not familiar with all the Spider-Man characters like that. So give for me to give you like a name. um i mean, she's a redhead. She would actually be a perfect Mary Jane. Mary Jane, I know, but it's like Zendaya. Zendaya's Mary Jane, yeah so yeah. Yeah, I don't know. i don't Could she be an alternate universe Mary Jane?
01:52:51
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Yeah, she could. Technically. Maybe she could be an alternate universe Mary Jane. We don't know. Yeah, you never know. Who knows? We'll see. Sorry, I just had to add that little bit there because we talked about Brand New Day. But yeah um so yeah, we'll be talking about all those Avengers trailers. I'm pretty sure they're going to be coming out real soon, so we'll chat about those on the pod most likely. yeah Well, guys, like I said, Have a happy holiday season. Thanks so much for listening to us.
01:53:17
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01:53:28
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Thank you. Feliz Navidad. Feliz Navidad. Bye, guys. Bye, guys.