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Out of the Vault: The Netflix–Warner Bros Merger
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This Out of the Vault episode of Beyond the Shot was recorded a few weeks ago, but the conversation couldn’t be more relevant. Cousin Rod and I break down the major Netflix and Warner Bros merger, what it could mean for the future of Hollywood, and how streaming continues to reshape the film industry.
We also dip into awards season, sharing our thoughts on this year’s nominees, early predictions, and what these studio shifts could mean for prestige films going forward.
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Emma Stone's Performance in Begonia
00:00:00
Speaker
I know you texted me the other day and you said you saw um the movie with Emma Stone. Begonia. Begonia. I saw it too. And I meant to tell you that I watched it even before you told me you watched it. Yeah. Because like you, I want to start watching a lot of these, you know, nominated films and stuff. And that is a freaking crazy ass movie.
00:00:25
Speaker
Really, really good. Emma Stone is... I mean, the woman's on top of her game. Like, she's... She's one of these actresses... Every she's being nominated a course. She's one of actresses that I feel like we're not... We don't give her enough credit, Mel. Like, I really don't think we give her enough credit. Like, we never... Like, her name doesn't... We don't throw it up there. But I think we need start putting it up there with just being one of the best actors in Hollywood, period. She is... Man, she killed it in that movie. And... And again, it's a role. It was like a kind of like a regular award. And I don't want to give too much away because- A what? A regular what?
00:01:01
Speaker
Like it was a kind of like a regular role. It it wasn't like, um it was, okay. Like she wasn't like a character? Yes. Yes. Because like, isn't like the one she won last year, the poor things, like that's like a character. That's like a character. It was, yeah you know, and and I didn't even get to see poor things, but I might have to because it's the same director that did this one and they love working together.
00:01:25
Speaker
But, and again, I don't want to give too much away with this movie because, you know, I don't want any of our listeners to get stuff spoiled because, you know, it's's it's a very good movie. You have to watch it all the way through.
00:01:37
Speaker
That's all I'll say. But it's like there's things that are revealed and you're just like, oh, oh, you know, so it's, you ah Begonia, very good movie. Yeah, I was surprised. I was definitely very surprised. Sneaky, sneaky good. ah lot of really good performances. Jesse Plemons is another guy that has to be mentioned as just one of the best actors working. Jesse Plemons can do anything. Like, it's kind of crazy, but he can do comedy.
00:02:05
Speaker
I always talk about Game Night. Oh my God. I was just going to Game Night. Have you seen him in Game Night with the pup? Game Night is just... My favorite is that scene that they always show with the chips when they're coming and he's like... Yeah.
00:02:19
Speaker
right Yeah. Why do you have so many chips? like it's yeah That is true. if He's like one of those actors to me who I feel like came out of nowhere. like I didn't really know who he was. He was in Breaking Bad.
00:02:32
Speaker
The first time I saw him was in Breaking Bad. Yeah, he played a role. I forgot the guy's name he played in Breaking Bad. He was really good in that. He wasn't in the show for very long. He was in it for a few episodes. I think want to it was in the last season. It either the last or the third season.
00:02:48
Speaker
um But he was really good in that. And he's just he's a chameleon. like He can do so many things. He can do the comedy thing. He can do the psycho thing. He can do the weirdo thing, which in this movie he was kind of like a weirdo. Weird, like just like internet like.
00:03:07
Speaker
scoping conspiracy theorist guy. Yeah, which it was... yeah was That was a battling one. he's i want I don't want to spoil anything. yeah Yeah. And then there's this movie that he did. I believe it came out earlier this year.
Jesse Plemons and Civil War
00:03:18
Speaker
think it was earlier this year. It's called Civil War. Oh, I haven't seen that. But he's like... He played this part and it was fucking terrifying. Because in the movie Civil War, it's pretty much what it sounds like. But it's ah it's like Civil War taking place now in the States, is also kind of scary because it's very real.
00:03:36
Speaker
Very real. think that's what said that, yeah. There's a part, and they showed it in the trailer. And then it's like, even when you see it in the trailer, but then when you see it like in the context of the movie, in that scene...
00:03:48
Speaker
It's terrifying. like there's a part where he's like, he's pulls these people these reporters over on the road and the reporters that he pulls over, they're all like non-white, kind of like some of them are foreign, some of them have accents.
00:04:05
Speaker
And one reporter, he pulls over and he tells him, he looks, by the way, he he's like, he's wearing like full like military fatigue. And then he has these like these red glasses, like these red, like it looks like party glasses. It just, it's very strange. But then he asked the question like, oh, what kind of American are you? And it's just like, you're like, holy shit. Like, dude, like, but he looks like, um like it looks, it's like the way he says it and the tone he says it very psychopathic, like just, and that's him though. Like he can do all these roles. a million He's a guy that we're going to have to like, definitely put a lot of respect there, put respect in his name when we talk about it because he can do so many things. and
00:04:48
Speaker
and you know who he reminds me a lot of, um I guess, cause they're physically, there's like something similar. The late grade of Philip Seymour Hoffman or something about him. he reminds Which is funny because he is playing the younger version of him in the New Hunger Games.
00:05:05
Speaker
Makes sense. I didn't even know that. You didn't know that. did not know that. I didn't know that. I haven't even seen the preview to that movie. haven't seen the preview to it. Oh, it looks good. I mean, the i i mean I'm probably going to watch it. I mean, I was very surprised by how good the other one was. the Yeah, the other one was, so i was surprised. That one was good. That one was good too. was surprised
The Importance of Romantic Comedies
00:05:24
Speaker
by how good it was. So I'm really excited to see this one. But yeah, he's playing like the younger, Plutarch?
00:05:30
Speaker
name Whatever. forgot his name. The Game Maker. The Game Maker. Yeah, yeah. yeah the The guy who like is like actually like secretly on the good side, whatever that guy. Yeah, who was played by the late Philip Seymour Hoffman. Yeah, but yeah. He reminds me a lot of Seymour. playing the younger Pim.
00:05:47
Speaker
physically reminds me lot of him, but then he also reminds me of Phyllis E. Muhammad. Phyllis E. Muhammad could play. Oh, yeah. He's another amazing actor. He could do comedy, but he can do like serious drama. Serious drama, yeah. He can do he can do so many. he He would be able to do so many things, you know? So Jesse Plemons kind of reminds me of him. They're kind of, you know, like in that same kind of sphere. So, yeah yeah, those two actors are just awesome, man. And, you know, it's funny. I've seen like a lot of movies since we've last spoken. that I want to go through with you before we even start the main chunk of this episode. um Well, I just want to say i did my part, Mel, in helping the romantic comedy bubble when it comes to theaters. And that is oh and I saw Eternity.
00:06:31
Speaker
And wow, what a movie. I have yet to see that. I got to watch it. Beautiful film. so many movies. It's such a beautiful film. I think you would love it. I think it's it's so great. It's in the vein of like this old movie called Defending Your Life that um Albert Brooks did.
00:06:47
Speaker
I believe it was with Meryl Streep, where like they're both dead and they're both kind of like at like um the intersection or or of life of where they're gonna move on. But in this case, in Eternity, it's different. In Eternity, it's Elizabeth Olsen, Miles Teller, and Callum Turner.
00:07:05
Speaker
um A little bit later on Callum Turner, I got this really thing that I'm thinking about with him. But anyway, Miles Teller's character passes away. And he's in purgatory. I forgot what they call it the movie. And he's kind of there and they're kind of making him this decide like, oh, where do you want to go? Because the whole thing is you can go to a place, but that place you can only you're going to go to, it could be like a ah beach somewhere. It could be in space. It could be whatever your perfection is. Yeah. But that's the only place you can be at and you'll be there for eternity. Yeah.
00:07:39
Speaker
And, um you know, he was saying, well, you know, I want to wait for my wife, bla blah, blah, blah. And then the person that's there with him was like, well, you know, we don't know how long you're going to be waiting. You could be waiting for a long time, but, you know, you got to make a choice, you know. So anyway, his wife ends up passing away.
00:07:56
Speaker
She shows up and, you know, he was, you know, he's, he already made a choice. He already made a choice on where he was going, but he saw his wife and this and that. So he's there with her. And then out of the blue, the, the Elizabeth Olsen's first husband shows up and that's Callum Turner. And he shows up and,
00:08:21
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That's the whole thing with the movie. She has to decide pretty much who she wants to spend eternity with. Does she want to spend it with Miles Teller or Callum Turner? And it's this whole thing with this whole dynamic of... of It's really good. Very funny. But also very beautiful.
00:08:39
Speaker
um because it makes you think about your own situation it makes you think about your own relationship but that is true one of those that's that is one of those things I always wonder like man like what if what if there was someone that legitimately you know when they pass on because that happens where where a person passes on and they they remarry and what happens at that moment when you know if you believe in that sort of stuff yeah how does that work You know, because the husband or the wife, they're not going to be with their other partners,
Streaming Services and Movie Awards
00:09:08
Speaker
right? Or are they? Like, how does that whole dynamic work? So this movie takes that i idea and runs with it. And it it was awesome. no i i I genuinely think going to really like this movie. Oh, I think I would like it too. I think this is a movie that's going to be very popular when it's released. Like on, especially like once it's straight on streaming, I think more people are gonna watch it. But I wish more people watched it in the theaters. I think it was awesome. I saw it with my wife and we we we enjoyed it thoroughly. And it felt like it was like kind of a date night thing for us. We went and we watched and just like it was it was great to go see a movie in the theaters that was like gun an adult movie.
00:09:47
Speaker
That it's a romantic comedy that has nothing to do with capes, has nothing to do with the end of the world. It's just the couple who has to make a decision or, a um you know, well, yeah, a couple that has to make a decision on, you know, where they're going to spend eternity at. And, man, two thumbs up. Definitely enjoyed it.
00:10:09
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, no, I definitely, it's, like I said, it's on, it's on my list to watch. I just don't, haven't had enough, like, I just haven't had time to go to the movies, like. Yeah.
00:10:19
Speaker
Aside from things that I've already, like, added. So I'm like, oh, God, so that's why I've just been watching them on. on um the TV. I really want to watch um that other one. Because we're gearing up. We have the Golden Globes the nominations were announced and that's coming up soon. So lots of nominations there. And there's so many movies. like I think who else is um the other one? ah Jennifer Lawrence.
00:10:42
Speaker
That's another one. For Die My Love, I think. She's nominated for that. With Robert Pattinson, right? Yeah. yeah So that should be... heard it's a very...
00:10:55
Speaker
it's a very interesting it's another one of those like interesting movies which does not surprise me I feel like Jennifer Lawrence does these like weird kind of movies too kind of kind of like Emma Stone but they are very different but they do do like these like weird things like I don't know like I don't know if you saw her i don't know if you saw this movie she did um oh my god what is it called with the with the she like pretends like she like um mother No, no, no, She's, like, trying to be, like, she, like, dates, like, this young guy for money, but he doesn't know. His parents, like, hire her. Yeah, yeah, I saw it. It was on an Amazon movie. Yeah, an Amazon movie. Yeah, yeah. What's it called? God, I forgot what was called. She's, like, pretty much, she's, like, running around naked on the beach. Yeah. That was a raunchy, kind of raunchy, romantic comedy type thing, actually. Yeah, like, I didn't know, like, what that was. Like, we put it on. Like, I watched this with, like, my friends, and I was, like, they had just said, like, oh, yeah, Jennifer Lawrence is, like, naked in this. And I'm, like, what? And I watched it, and was like, oh my god, she literally full on naked, running on the beach. Like, this is wild. It was a very weird movie, but again, it was good, though. I enjoyed it, but it was also like, I feel like she does of those kind of neurotic
00:12:11
Speaker
Kind of characters. You know? And I think that this movie, Die My Love, is kind of like that. But I don't know. I haven't seen it. But that keeps coming up on my thing. And I'm like, oh, shit. I don't know if I'm ready. Yeah. um and also And also I think about because I also think about Robert Pattinson.
00:12:28
Speaker
Robert Pattinson also always does movies that are kind of like... yeah funky. Something's not normal. Other than Batman. Well, Batman is funky and not normal, too, if really think about In a very different way. I think there's a lot of actors, though. i hey I don't know what it is, but I feel like this generation of actors, I think they...
00:12:56
Speaker
there's this there's There's a group of actors that are you know the artsy-fartsy actors that I only do a certain type of movies. And then there's actors that do everything. And I think more often than not, this generation, you are seeing actors and actresses that are very much like...
00:13:13
Speaker
You know what? I want to do the weird roles. I want to do those things. Like, I don't want to do I don't want to be the oh, you're the action person. You know Yeah, I think we're stepping away from that. You know how they say, oh, well, Hollywood, we don't have any movie stars anymore. have whatever, whatever. and And I understand when people say that. I do. I get that. And and i and I understand. I see some truths to it.
00:13:36
Speaker
But I think what it is is you have to change the idea of what a movie star is. And because back then, you know, when we think about movie stars, we think about, like, people that do action flicks and they do this and that. And, yeah, you can say, well, Robert Pattinson, you know, He's done, like you said, The Batman. He's done Tenet. But then he's also done, you know, these um kind of small independent movies. Mickey 17. Mickey 17. He did A Good Time. He did The light Lighthouse. You see Timothee Chalamet. Remember Me. always were yeah Yeah. You know, Timothee Chalamet. He's done, you know, um ah A Complete Unknown. He did the Dune 2 movies. He's now going to do Marty Supreme. It's a very just kind of like... Oh, he did Willy Wonka. He did Willy Wonka. Yeah. So it's very, very spread out.
00:14:23
Speaker
um and And you can say that about, like we said, Emma Stone. Emma Stone had done all these kind of like independent little movies and stuff, you know, and, you know, she'll do another film that's just like, oh, okay.
00:14:36
Speaker
um You know, Jennifer Lawrence. But then Jennifer Lawrence thing is different. Jennifer Lawrence kind of came into known for, The Hunger Games. Granted, she was nominated for an Oscar even before that because think movie called Winter's Bone and she got nominated for Best Actor. Oh, yeah. i forgot. She was young. But then after that one is so when she started doing Hunger Games and her career just completely took off there. And then after Hunger Games, she started gravitating towards kind of smaller, more independent roles. She did X-Men too, but Hunger Games is the one that
00:15:11
Speaker
really catapulted her into this big thing. And since then, though, she's kind of just gone into like a smaller, a smaller role, but smaller movies. Yeah.
00:15:22
Speaker
Silver Linings with. Yeah. Well, she won. I think she won. I think so. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she's done like more independent, smaller movies. And I think that a lot of actors, I'm not going say that they don't want the attention, but I guess they just don't want to be typecast into being that actor or actress. Oh, you're yeah you know you're the big action star. Yeah.
00:15:44
Speaker
person you're this and you're that and i don't think people want to do that anymore i think we're in a different time now where a lot of actors want to do different things and don't get me wrong there are actors that want to do the big time action stuff you know like like michael b jordan is a guy that i guess he key he he sees the opportunity and he's like you know what i want to do these things but then michael b jordan is also a guy that If you give him a role to sink his teeth into, he will do it because he's done it before in the past. yeah So, you know, like it's it's an interesting time now when it comes to Hollywood and and these actors and actresses and in the roles that they decide. And you're just seeing you're seeing the difference in general just of of what these movies are, you know. That's true. I didn't even think about it. But now that you're saying i'm like, oh my God, that's that's so true. Like, what's his name? um
00:16:40
Speaker
Jacob Elordi is another one. He's starting to kind of have a little bit of a... He's also nominated. um so like, yeah, there's... mean, he was great in that movie. Yeah, so, like, that's still on my list. I haven't forgotten. um Like, yeah, that's so true. Like, I never even, like, thought about that until you just said it. i was like, oh my God, that is true. Like, everyone who's, like, in this...
00:17:03
Speaker
ah Zendaya, same. very They're very, very... They don't want be known for like just like... if They don't want to be like, I'm Tom Cruise. You know, Tom Cruise. Nobody wants to take that. Nobody wants to take that. And again, that's funny that you you said it perfectly because that's the one actor that everybody always says, like, oh, where's our Tom Cruise?
Actors Breaking Typecasts
00:17:23
Speaker
Like, he's the last of the movie stars. And I think what it is is just that...
00:17:28
Speaker
I think different this generation of just movie going everything, it's different. It's just a whole different world than it was in the 80s and 90s and even early 2000s. It's a very, very different landscape. And i think you see a lot of actors now really want to go for the they want to go for the art they're looking at for the art of things you know as much as we love all the cape shit and we love you know all our fantasy stuff we love all that stuff and that stuff is fun I love that I love that sandbox but if I'm an actor I can understand like I'm like I don't I don't want to
00:18:02
Speaker
do this forever you know i'll do a few movies i'll dip my toe in that but once i do it that's it i don't want to do it anymore like i just saw something where um timothy chalamet he was um he's he's been doing the the you know the oh are yeah are you talking about the whole the thing that people are like uh never mind say what you're gonna say oh no he said something along the lines of like oh no superhero movies Oh, no, I don't know what we're talking about then. Never mind. Yeah, he said that he doesn't want He said something along the lines of like... I think DiCaprio gave him the advice of, you know, don't do any... No capes, no Krupa here. He was like, don't do that.
00:18:43
Speaker
um And I think he's kind of running with that, even though like du Dune, Dune 2, he's not a superhero because he's technically playing a, a fit you know, a character from a book and stuff, but that role of Lisanne Al-Gaib, know, um, uh, uh, It is like fantasy, sci-fi. It is fantasy, sci-fi. But it's it is a high-level thing, though. So I think it's a little different.
00:19:06
Speaker
But then again, he can always say, I did play this role. That's my thing in that genre. And I think that's what it is. I think he wants to i think these actors want to play all these different characters in all these different type of genres. like They don't mind jumping in that. But I think they view, and I think a lot of Hollywood, unfortunately, they view now like...
00:19:26
Speaker
superhero stuff as just like a a gimmick and a thing that's almost kind silly. Which Which is sad, it is, because, you know, yeah these are these are these are kind of like my thought mythological, you know you know, characters and heroes for a lot of people. So it's kind of sad that it's like that, but, you know, that's just the landscape of things.
00:19:44
Speaker
but But, yeah, you know. mean, but that's also a kind of like... And, you know, sometimes, you know, here or there, you know you get the with the winner, right? But, like... It is sad because I do feel like this has always been a thing. And I think even like, especially if you have now this generation of people who are like doing all these like roles where they're like, oh, no capes, nothing like.
00:20:05
Speaker
And I feel like sometimes like musical theater can also fall in that yeah kind of realm where people are like, oh, but that's just musical theater. Like that's not real well you see, it's funny that you say that. I feel like musical theater will be is more more accepted now than Than the comic book stuff. Before? I feel like the comic book stuff has been on so much.
00:20:29
Speaker
And musical theater, especially like after Wicked and even after like a lot of really well done. Like West Side Story. I don't think you watched West Side Story. No, no, no. But i want you to yeah, that one. And then even Chicago from a few years back. um like like even La La Land, like those are things where it's like people look at it when it's done right, it's amazing. But then again, we can say about superhero movies, like when a superhero movie is done like the Batman, like that's done right. You know what I mean? so yeah but you it's and but But that's sad, right? Because you watch the Batman, right And you're like, oh my God, these performances are amazing. And they would they would never be like put up for a fucking Golden Globe. or Which is sad. and And it's funny that you say that because I look at nominations for things now and you look at Sinners. Sinners is a movie that should have, there should have been a lot of nominations there. Like Michael freaking B. Jordan was amazing. He played two fucking characters in that movie. Is he not nominated? roles. I'm not, I don't think he's nominated. think he's nominated. He is?
00:21:28
Speaker
I think he thought he wasn't. I thought he didn't get nominated. Hold on. I swore he was nominated. All right. Well, he is. I'm glad. i think I think he's nominated, yeah.
00:21:40
Speaker
Let me see here. It's because there's two things. It gets confusing. Drama. i mean, it's got to be drama. It ain't going to comedy. It's not comedy.
00:21:51
Speaker
ah Yeah, no, he is. Best performed by male actor and motion picture, Dwayne Johnson, Jeremy Allen White, Joel Edgerton, Michael B. Jordan, Oscar Isaac, and whoever, Wagner. Yeah, oh, I see it here. Wagner Moore, which I heard he's really good in that movie. Oh, that is...
00:22:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah it's ah it's it's a Brazilian film. He's actually from Brazil. um but um like it's kind sorry Sorry, I have to say this one thing because we're talking about this like section. Because I remember we talked about this when the movie was announced for The Rock and the Smashing Machine.
00:22:28
Speaker
And I remember you being like... and i remember being like how upset I was that Zac Efron wasn't, wasn't nominated for the Iron Claw because that movie deserved to be nominated. He deserved to be nominated for an award. And I'd be like, I'm to be bad if the rock gets nominated for doing something like that.
00:22:48
Speaker
And then you said like, yeah, but probably he will get nominated because he's a bigger, no name, a bigger star than like Zac Efron is. I'm like, Oh, but so upsetting, especially because I saw the reviews to the smashing machine and they weren't like,
00:23:02
Speaker
Oh my, like, they were like, oh, he did a good job. Like, we're very proud of him, like, stepping onto something new. But it wasn't like... like I feel like Zac Efron got much more of a bigger hype for that movie than The Rock did, and yet The Rock is nominated. And I'm happy for him in that way because I know that he's like really trying to be like, I'm an actor now, right? yeah I don't want to be an action star, right? You know what we're saying? like I kind of want to slowly move away from that. I want to do me to your roles.
00:23:30
Speaker
yeahp So um I saw that, and i was like, yeah, damn it. I mean, that's where we're at, though. that's that Again, it's like... and so and And with The Rock And then it's funny And it's funny with The Rock um Like a lot of people Really dug his performance And I could watch them I just haven't watched it Because I don't know I just haven't had an interest In watching it I'm not a UFC guy I really don't like the UFC. um So I haven't had this thing affinity to watch it. I do like The Rock. So i might sit down and watch one of these days. But everybody that has seen it said it's really, really good. Christopher Nolan, of all people, said it's the best performance, male performance he's seen all
The Rock's Acting Transition
00:24:08
Speaker
year. he said it' was like really, really good. Really? lot Wow. We must have been listening to a very different reviews then because I didn't hear it.
00:24:15
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he They said it was really good. But I think it's because of the fact that This is the thing you understand. like With The Rock, it's like you're used to seeing The Rock from these glasses, from this point of view, all the time of the action star, you know the leading man of like you know these types of movies. But then when you see him in this state where he's this vulnerable kind of person and he doesn't sound but like The Rock, he doesn't even look like The Rock, and he disappears in this role. I think that's the first time...
00:24:47
Speaker
anybody ever sees him in that kind of space, that can be something that's jarring, but in a good, jarring in a positive way of like, holy shit, like this guy really pulled this off. Oh, you know yeah. Again, again, let's be 100% real. He's nominated.
00:25:02
Speaker
Is he going to win? i don't know. don't think so. And then I look at this list and you know, the big the big thing missing in this move, in this thing is, um of actor missing in this whole thing is, we talked about earlier, Timothy Chalamet. He has a movie called Marty Supreme, and apparently everybody says that he freaking, like, just killed that role. He's in the comedy.
00:25:29
Speaker
You know, oh, he is? okay, that's why he's in the comedy. He's not with Leonardo DiCaprio. It's just because the Golden Globes are weird. So they have the- Well, Globes, they have the Golden Globes. It's have comedy. It's they have So the Golden Globes for male actor and motion picture musical yeah musical or comedy. Ethan Hawke, George Clooney, Jesse Plemons, Lee Byung-Hung, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Timothy Chamele. Yeah.
00:25:54
Speaker
Yeah. And well, the go but remember what I would told you about the Golden Globes? So the Golden Globes, I don't take them seriously because the Golden Globes are essentially it's the Hollywood Foreign Press. And everybody always says that the Golden Globes are just it's it's a night where it's a fun award show to watch because, you know, everybody's a cab of drinks and, you know, it's a different vibe. But they always say, too, is that, you know, it's ah it's an award show where the Hollywood Foreign Press pretty much nominates the people they want to hang out with that night.
00:26:24
Speaker
So, you know, it's a lot of that. and But I mean, don't get me wrong. the um I'm not saying the nominations are wrong. they have They have people that are nominated deserve to be nominated. And a lot of them are probably going to potentially be on to go on to be nominated for SAG, which will eventually be led to being nominated for, you know, the Oscars or whatnot.
00:26:43
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And they are are in future Emmys. So they don't necessarily get it wrong. But it's also, again, one of these award shows that... you know, do you put it, do you put it, um I'm a sound, I'm a damn, do you put it behind the DVD box or the Blu-ray box? Oh, nominated for 20, you know, 10 Golden Globes. Which I have seen it before. Yeah. But, you know, you'd rather see Oscar. Oscar. I want to be nominated, you know, I want 10 time Oscar award ah a nominated movie as opposed to saying like, you know, like, you know, 10 time Golden Globe. I mean, shit, you don't hear them say, you know, this is a five time MTV movie award, you know, nominated movie no yeah that's true yeah you really kids about that yeah but you know like i said in regards to in regards to like this like like when it comes to best actor you can kind of like see where it's going for like the oscars you know dicaprio it's most likely dicaprio is most likely these timothy chalamet again wagner moore is getting a lot of love for that role
00:27:47
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Joel Edgerton is getting a lot of role for yeah for that movie for that movie, Train Dreams, which I have the book. I've been meaning to read it, but just have i but a book hard time. Yeah. I've having a hard time kind of getting into it. And I'm like, I got a deic got to sit down and read it. So, yeah, you know, ah it's going to an interesting time. Award season is going to be very, very interesting, I think, for a lot of features, a lot of movies, a lot of actors and a lot of actresses. um I think as time goes by,
00:28:17
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we're going to start to see, okay, these this person is the quote unquote favorite. This person's going to, you know. Yeah. Yeah. You'll start to see. Yeah. You'll start to see it. You'll, you'll, you'll begin to, you'll begin to notice it. And, and yeah, um there's a lot of really tough categories. You know, there's a lot of, you know, look at that best male performance. Jesse Plemons is nominated for, for Gonia for, for best male actor, which I i mean, shit is deserved. that It really, really is.
00:28:47
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um You know, is he going to win over DiCaprio or Simi Chalamet? I think not. But, know. It's probably going to be a race between those two, which is weird, which is baffling. Timothy Shalom, everybody's going be like, what the fuck? I'm with one of the greats. Yeah, that's one of his goals. That's one of his goals, man. So, you know, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be very, very interesting. It's going to be very interesting. I'm excited. I'm going be very excited to see when the Oscars are, you know, the nominations are for the Oscars so it can really break down that because that's going to be something else. That's going to be like, Yeah, we're going to have an episode about that for sure. That is going to be wild stuff. Yeah, we'll talk about that on here for Before we move on to our main thing, there was one thing I did want to talk about. going to go back to Eternity. I want to talk about Callum Turner.
00:29:34
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um Oh, yeah. You mentioned something. Yeah, he was really great in that movie. and He has this presence in this movie. was like ah I'm familiar with his work in terms of... I saw him and and he was in the Fantastic Beasts movie. and I think it was in the...
00:29:49
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The second or the third one. Yeah. um And he's done other stuff that I haven't watched. But in this movie, though, it's kind of like the first time I'm kind of like really introduced to him where it's like he's featured in the movie a lot. And he was really good. There's this... He has this presence and he has this look about him. And I'm like, wow, this guy, you know, this guy has something. Is he English?
00:30:13
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Yes. I think you know where I'm getting at. Um... And then, first of all, I saw another movie the other day called um Knives Out Wake Up Dead Man. It's part of the Knives Out trilogy with Daniel Craig. And in that movie, there's this actor called Josh O'Connor, who I saw him before on The Crown. He played um a young Prince Charles when Prince Charles meets Diane and they start you know courting each other and stuff. And he was really, really good in The Crown. He's been in a lot of stuff. He was in that movie Challengers. was in Day ah ya i One. He's been in ah in a bunch of stuff. and
00:30:50
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And in in in um the Knives Out Wake Up Dead Man movie, he was really, really good. That's a really good movie, by the way. When you get a chance to watch it, it's it's it's really, really good. He was really, really good in that movie. he had there Again, he has this thing where it's like, I didn't notice it before when he was Prince Charles.
00:31:07
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I mean, I know he was a good actor, but I'm looking i'm i'm looking for a particular thing. And and I'm going to get to the point I'm making at is... I saw something that I'm like, hmm. He has this thing where I could like could see it. And there it is the big role that is hasn't been cast yet in Hollywood that everybody's kind of waiting on what's going on with this role. And that is the role of none other than 007 James Bond. that's ah That's a role that is out there because um Amazon, who has the rights to it now, They're trying to figure out what to do with this character, with this thing. Because, you know, the last time James Bond was out was ironically with Daniel Craig. Craig. They kind of, they they took some interesting they took some interesting liberties with that character, with Daniel Craig as James Bond, where they essentially killed off Bond.
00:31:59
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david Daniel Craig's James Bond. He died? Yeah, in the last movie, he died. Yeah. Now, we all know the way James Bond works is, you know, they always recast the the actor.
00:32:12
Speaker
But the funny thing is, this is the when when Daniel Craig took over the role... They were going in the trajectory of, you know, this is going to kind of be kind of like the same bond where it's kind of like, you know, eventually he'll pass on the role. But something changed in the movie Skyfall, which is one of the more popular ones. My my favorite of of of the bonds that he did was Casino Royale, which is the first one. But I really, really did enjoy Skyfall, which is low Batman movie, by the way. But they did something in that movie that they never did before in any Bond film, which I wasn't a fan of at first. and And then I kind of just came to grips with it. And I said, you know what? It was a decision made by the filmmakers and the producers. So let me just roll with it.
00:32:54
Speaker
Is... I always assumed that the role of James Bond or the character of James Bond, James Bond was just kind of like the code name that, you know, there's 007 James Bond. Like that's kind of like the code for the the secret agent playing the part.
00:33:11
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They essentially took James Bond 007 and the name James Bond and they said, no, no, no. James Bond is his real name. This is who he is. You know, his father is Arthur Bond and this and that. I'm like, oh, wow. Like that's when that happened. I was like,
00:33:27
Speaker
Shit, they've never done that before. Like, they never owned up to saying, yes, James Bond is a real person. No other James Bond movie that I know of did that. So essentially, when they made the decision of we're going to kill off Bond, it's kind of like, oh, wow. So they did. So now Amazon is in a place where they're like, okay,
00:33:45
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you know, this is kind of a clean break. We're starting over completely because obviously, you know, we're we' we' we're rebooting the series and stuff like that. But in regards to what I'm getting at is,
00:33:58
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the big thing is who's
Speculation on the Next James Bond
00:34:00
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going to get cast. A lot of people were wondering, yo, is it going to be this person, this this person? Yeah. remember that being a talk. Yeah. That was a big talk. So I'm looking at it from like, I, I want the casting to be something exciting, something different, but nothing crazy because I do feel like,
00:34:17
Speaker
You know, for Amazon, they can't go too nuts with it because they are taking over the franchise um and they're taking it over from people that had control the franchise for a very, very long time. So they're going to I feel like they're going to play it safe.
00:34:34
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Because an exciting casting would be somebody of color. I would i always said that. Yeah, exactly. That would be different. Idris Elba was always a popular one, but Idris Elba was already ah of age. he can't He can't do it anymore. I think that was like years back where he could have wait they could have done that. I remember. But Daniel Craig was already Bond, so they couldn't do it.
00:34:53
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So I always said, well, hmm, who could it be? I always thought ah an exciting name that I loved to do it, and I still i still would like to see him do it, is um ah the, I i want think he's Arab. i don't know if he's Arab or if he's Indian.
00:35:09
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um Dev Patel I think he's a fantastic actor I would love to see him you know Take that moniker he is He is British And he does have this presence he has a look He's a good looking guy and I would love to see that think that would be an exciting inspiring casting I don't think Amazon's going to do think they're going play it as safe as they can Which is you know who i was almost like a typical you know White actor do it So I was thinking, okay, well, what can we do that could be exciting and different, that could be a new face? And that's where came to these two actors, Callum Turner and Josh O'Connor. Now, I never viewed Josh O'Connor as because I always said, I don't know, he's kind of dorky and stuff. But in in Knives Out, he played um he played a priest, but the priest it was like ah a boxer. and But he played he played it with this toughness and this thing that was just like, wow, okay, you know what?
00:36:03
Speaker
I could see that. I could see it. And then I look at Callum Turner and I'm like, I could really see it. There's this mysterious, it's like this kind of like darkness in his eyes. But then there's also this thing where it's kind of like, you can see the vulnerability there. Now, again, I don't know how they're going to play this bond. Is it going to be a bond that's akin to Daniel Craig's bond? Or is it going to be a bond that's akin to like Roger Moore's bond which is a more playful bond I don't know how they're gonna do it frankly that's gonna be that's a tough decision i don't think yeah the I don't think they're gonna redo the Daniel Craig thing cause they did that for well over 10 years think they're gonna do something different however um I am curious to see where this is at I'm so i'm honestly surprised they have not named one yet like this is where I'm like Well, because this has been going on for while. It's been a minute. It's been minute. It's been minute, yeah. been a minute. So I'm really surprised they haven't announced we're going to start shooting a new Bond movie and we have a new Bond actor. Like, I'm really shocked they haven't done this. So those are two actors. Well, those are three actors that I want to put in there. Dev Patel, Josh O'Connor, and...
00:37:09
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Calenturn. I think those three. I think they're really good. They're young guys too. And they're very good actors. or They have chops. Like it ain't just like, you know, a mindless boneheaded action type thing. No, there's, there's acting chops there. So I think they were also talking about that other guy. What's his name? Aaron Pierre.
00:37:28
Speaker
Aaron Pierre would be awesome. See, even think about Aaron Pierre, too. Aaron Pierre would be dope. Like, that would be something else, too. Like, that wasn't named that I heard. That color is Everyone would be like, oh, my God. That dude is hot right now. So, you know, that could be a name. That could be a good one, yeah. Those are four guys that are... It's... But, again, I just wonder...
00:37:50
Speaker
would Netflix be like, okay, on our first thing, we're going to just, we're going to go out and want to do this. We're going to make it, going to do a shift. You know, we've had 50, well over 50 years of bond. They've all been white dudes.
00:38:03
Speaker
You know, we're going to now change it and we're going to put in Aaron Pierre or we're going to put Dev Patel. Like, I just, part of me wonders, like, are they bold enough to do it? Would they do it? And I don't, I'm not, I'm not, again, I'm not saying I don't want them to do it. i would love for them to do it. I just don't know if they would.
00:38:19
Speaker
I really don't. Especially if this is their first go around with this character. You know, this is like, I know, I know Amazon has control of Lord of the Rings for the TV series. um And, you know, that hasn't really been- That hasn't really been a major success for them when they bought a lot of money into it.
00:38:37
Speaker
Getting Bond, that's like the biggest IP they have. Yeah, that that is. So I feel like they're... I don't think they're gonna play around too much with that IP. And I do think they're going play it safe. I really, really do. But I hope whatever they do pick, it's for the better of the franchise and of the character and that they give us some really good movies. That's what I want more than anything else because I love the Bond character.
00:39:02
Speaker
He's an amazing character. Again, when you're a character that you've been on for 50 plus years, that's not saying small potatoes. That's a big deal. So I would love for that to be announced. I want something announced soon because it's been a minute. It's kind like we talk about Star Wars with Disney. It's like, what's going on? Star Wars belongs to the big three. We need some sort of announcement of movie. We need something. Give us something look at. Well, isn't Star Wars doing the Ryan Gosling thing? Yeah, that's shooting right now. I thought we were going to get something for that, like some sort of footage for that, don't even when that's supposed to come out. It's just shooting now. Maybe next year.
00:39:42
Speaker
Maybe next year at D23 or something. Yeah, or I mean, we are getting Mando and Grogu. Not doing well on that one. Yeah, let's see. yeah you know that That trailer was not very well received. it Yeah, it just it looked...
00:39:59
Speaker
it it it it it didn't It didn't give movie. It gave more gave TV. show It gave TV show. It really did. But you know what? It was a teaser. Let's hope that the next go around, it's a stronger thing. It's better, yeah. That's what want. know what mean? I actually wanted to talk about, um because we haven't talked about this at all, was the Netflix merger. Because I think this is like actually a really good segue We haven't even talked about that because you talked about Amazon and you're like, oh, well, they have the movie now for James Bond and I'm really excited to see the movies or whatever. so
00:40:31
Speaker
this Netflix merger thing. Now I had heard that supposedly like Paramount then like put in their thing and they were like, Oh, we're going to put like $2 billion dollars or whatever. a hostile bid. Takeover bid. And I was like, wait, so what's going I haven't heard anything since then. Like, I don't know if it's still like nothing's going on or if it's going actually going to be Netflix, but I definitely want to hear what your thoughts are on this Netflix merger and how, this is going to affect movie theaters, the movie theater, the movie goer experience in the next, you know,
00:41:07
Speaker
Bit coming up here because it is going to If Netflix actually if this goes Through if this deal officially goes Through and they acquire um Warner Brothers It's Warner Brothers right Yeah yeah it war us ah yeah How is that going affect streaming How is it going to affect going To the movies and How funny it is that this Is literally that was the season finale Of the show the studio is happening In real life happening Isn't that like like i like they keep playing that that that thing. oh Amazing. oh i hope Oh, God. I really hope that they're just like cooking right now with some ideas for like the shit that they can talk about. Where's Sal Saperstein when you need him? Well, Sal Saperstein. Sal Saperstein. Oh, they're nominated for the Golden Globes. I hope they win some stuff. They should win it all. na i pray I feel like they probably will. Um,
00:42:02
Speaker
But, you know, like literally Amazon was going to buy a tech company. So it's like literally the same thing happening. So um what are your what are your thoughts on this? Well, my thoughts are this. um We're living, and this is funny what we're talking We're talking about like this generation of actor and actresses and movies.
00:42:23
Speaker
I think where this is where this is where we're headed. where This is a new generation. this is a new This is a new world we're living in when it comes to entertainment. It is it is all tech bros. you know Tech is is taking over completely.
00:42:39
Speaker
um you know They're spearheading all these companies and taking over shit. and you know it's it it How can I put it? So Netflix,
Netflix's Bid for Warner Brothers
00:42:52
Speaker
which obviously just is a powerhouse in itself,
00:42:57
Speaker
put in, got the winning bid, got the accepted bid by Zasloff, who's the, David Zasloff, who's the CEO of Warner. um That didn't make Paramount too happy.
00:43:09
Speaker
And the Ellison's, the family that owns Paramount, you know, they they were crying, you know, rich people tears. And they said, oh, well, you know what, if they've, I don't want them to own it. So I'm going to go and I'm going to go to straight to the shareholders and tell them we know we're going to offer you even more money for the cat for the company than Netflix would. you know And that's a whole other like you know that's a whole other thing. you know Honestly, this is a deal that it's going to take a while. It's going to take a good while. Because, yeah, you can put in a bid to buy it and they could take it, but this has to go through like while.
00:43:49
Speaker
months, maybe even years of regulation. And as you know, the political climate in this country is kind of crazy. And we have people in control that favor other people. And yeah, it's every day is a different story.
00:44:09
Speaker
So I don't know what has happened with Paramount's attempt at a hostile bid. I don't know if if the shareholders... turned it down and decided to just stick with the Netflix thing. I don't know what happened with that. All I know is people say, oh, this deal could be done with between 12 to 18 months. I think it's going to be 18 months, maybe even longer, because I think this is going to go through so much litigation because everybody in Hollywood is like...
00:44:38
Speaker
no this is bad netflix yeah i mean it is bad as bad for theaters and even though you had the the ceo of netflix uh reed hastings come out and say oh well you know we're you know we're gonna keep everything as is we're gonna keep warner brothers as warner brothers is going to be the art studio and you know we're gonna use whatever's whatever's done with warner brothers is gonna still continue which means you know we're gonna still put movies in theaters and this and that but This is a CEO who's saying things to make everybody, hey, chill, relax, don't worry. Do you honestly believe him? I don't know. Maybe not. I don't know what the hell this is. I don't think. Listen, this is a company that wants content.
00:45:23
Speaker
And they're getting the prize of what the content is. The amount of content that is in the Warner Brothers company is absolute insanity. The only other company that might have more would maybe be Disney.
00:45:39
Speaker
And I don't even think Disney has more than Warner Brothers does in terms of content. In terms of you're talking about the classic movies. You're talking about like you're talking about a crazy amount of content. So is this bad for Hollywood?
00:45:53
Speaker
Yeah, but would it also be bad if Paramount bought it? Yeah, because it's just... it's it's your What you're doing is you're just making you're making the whole studio space and the whole movie space even smaller.
00:46:04
Speaker
You know what I mean? Yeah. These are just notes I'm writing on the side, by the way, just so I can remember to talk about. yeah So yeah, i i'm I'm at a point where... I think either one is bad because Paramount has this thing where, you know, they lean in a particular direction politically. And there's been a lot of rumors about if they were to get Warner Brothers, there would be a lot of changes in regards to how certain movies are made and how the movies, you know, representation in movies and being that they lean in a particular direction. Yeah.
00:46:40
Speaker
they're not going to look at representation as much. So, you know, that's very, very bad. You know, and then when you look at Netflix, you know, um what does that mean for the movie theater experience? What does it mean? You know, yeah, you can talk nice. Oh, yeah, we're going to keep movies in theaters, you know, for the foreseeable future for now. Well, what does the foreseeable future mean? What, two years, three years?
00:47:03
Speaker
Or are you going to wait until your contract the contract that Warner Brothers has with certain movie houses? Like house Well, no, no, not even, i'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about just movies in general. Because what the, what was it? One of the representatives, one of the execs of IMAX came out and said, oh, well, Warner Brothers has a contract with IMAX for its movies all the way through 2028. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like, okay, so they're throwing all this stuff out, but they gave end date.
00:47:30
Speaker
through 2028 so that means that netflix has to decide since they're the parent company they're going to decide um you know what no we're not going to renew that we're just going to let it go because that's their their thing their thing is streaming movies at home that's how they look at it you know so i you know i don't know i don't know what to think of this whole thing i don't know i don't i don't feel good i don't feel good about in general. I wish Warner Brothers would just stay Warner Brothers, but clearly this is a business. They have shares. They have shareholders. Shareholders want more money.
00:48:09
Speaker
You know, this is what greed is about. And, um, This is the future. This is where we're at now. So one of these companies, one of the companies is going to own it. It's going either be Netflix. It's either going to be um Paramount. One of those companies. It's the same thing that happened when Disney bought Fox all those years ago. It's the same thing with that. It's the same thing when um when ah Comcast bought Universe. It's it's the same thing. And you know what? This isn't going to be the last deal. This is not going to be the last deal. Do not be surprised. Do not be surprised if you see down the line. Because I was wondering. was like, shit, you know, Why didn't Apple get involved with this? Because Apple could use the content.
00:48:46
Speaker
Apple could use the content for their channel. like Can you imagine you have Apple and Warner Brothers? That's a fucking thing. And like wow how and and Apple has, i mean, they have fucking cash. like They have money. So i'm just like, why? Why didn't Apple get involved with this? And then I started thinking, Apple has a bigger fish to buy.
00:49:06
Speaker
They have a bigger fish to buy. Who would be the bigger fish for them to buy? Disney. disney Disney. They're already in business with Disney.
00:49:19
Speaker
They're in business with Disney already. You know what I mean? So if I'm Apple, Apple's like apple's looking apples looking directly. like honestly Honestly, I think that that's probably one of the things that probably people in Hollywood are talking about right now.
00:49:35
Speaker
That they're like, Apple had the opportunity to buy. Apple could have just gone in and blown Paramount and Netflix out of the water. They didn't do it. which tells me and tells everybody in Hollywood they have their sights set on a big, big, big fish.
00:49:52
Speaker
And I think that's Disney. I think it's Disney. I do. I mean, you know, we're seeing all these things that we're hearing about with, with you know, money being lost. Like the whole, listen, the whole streaming wars thing has been, hold on a second.
00:50:09
Speaker
The whole streaming wars thing has been something that is like, you know, so It's something that people underestimate. The amount of money that these companies have spent on getting all these ah streamers out, all these shows, everything, they lost a lot of money.
00:50:28
Speaker
So I'm assuming Disney has lost a lot of money on Disney+. plus um The whole HBO Max thing has been hasn't really been great for Warner Brothers.
00:50:40
Speaker
Paramount Plus hasn't been great. I don't think Peacock has been great. That's why you see all these companies trying to do sports and get everything in and do all these things. all that stuff costs money to get content. To go to the NFL and say, hey, NFL, we want we want to stream your games. and That's why I say the NFL is the NFL. The NFL is going to be like, okay, you can stream our games, but we want $10 billion dollars from you.
00:51:03
Speaker
So just think about all that. Yeah. So again, i think this is just merely the this is merely a continuation of what's been going on.
00:51:14
Speaker
So yeah, Netflix getting um Warner Brothers. Yes, I think it's bad. Paramount getting Warner Brothers. I think it's bad too. And again, I don't think this is the last thing we're going to see being eaten up.
00:51:27
Speaker
They're all yeah consuming each other. They're all consuming each other, yeah. It's literally the snake. And they're all getting consumed by tech companies. And it's like, it's also something that you even, like, ever thought about. Like, I just never, like, ever thought about these things until, like, recently, all of a sudden, it's just started to feel more real where I'm like, especially what you just said about, I'm like, wow, another tech company, Apple, they make computers, is now going to, like...
00:51:51
Speaker
you know if that were If that actually happens or i ends up like buying Disney, what? like that it's it's just like It's crazy to me. It's crazy to me. like And then the other thing you saw the other thing you saw is that there was talk that, don't know what was talking, think it was proven factual that people paramount went to i'll take it even further paramount went and talked to freaking saudi arabia they went they went to talk to the saudis to get involved with the deal to make more to pay to make the deal more money so then for them to go and acquire one brothers so you're going to a country that has a very checkered situation at best to get more money to get this deal like like my thing is this when is enough enough enough And I think that that's where the issue is. That's where it all lies. That's why I think this deal, whoever it goes to, whoever it goes to, they're going to be in litigation. They're going to be litigation for so long. And granted, again, the Ellisons, who own Paramount, they're supposedly buddy-buddy with the president. So they're probably hoping that you know that being buddy-buddy with the president, it'll make the deal go through even faster. Again, that's the same thing that happened with the issue with um with Stephen Colbert.
00:53:06
Speaker
you know That whole thing was about the merger with with with um Paramount buying CBS. So you're have Paramount get CBS and get Warner Brothers? like you just it's it's there is There is a reason why these things are called the Monopoly.
00:53:20
Speaker
You know saying? It's too much of a consumption. It's a consumption. and And there has to be more. And this is where we're at now. And it's a scary world we live in because it's not good. It's not. Because then you're getting all your information from one place.
00:53:38
Speaker
you know oh And granted, wherever you fall politically, whether you lean left or you lean right, you know what I mean? Getting all your information from one location that gives you one point of view isn't great. It isn't. It sends a it sends a message of control and a message that they want you to hear. And I don't want to sound like one of those conspirators. That's not how I am.
00:54:00
Speaker
You know what I mean? But all I'm saying is you want you want stuff spread out more. You want to hear various opinions from various people from various parts. But now the way at the rate that things are going...
00:54:13
Speaker
It's not going to happen that way. No. So, yeah, I think we are, as an entertainment, I think we're in a lot of trouble. And, you know, the CEOs of these companies, they're going to paint all beautiful at first. Oh, no, we're not going to do this. We're going to keep everything as is. Yeah, of course they're going to do that.
00:54:30
Speaker
They want to do that. Of course they're going say that because they want everything to be as smooth as possible. Once they own it, forget it. That's when the changes happen. Oh, yeah. Netflix is going to do whatever the whole thing is going to do what they want. Yeah, I mean, granted, they own the company. They could.
00:54:43
Speaker
Oh, I mean, no, this is something that like, I have a couple of things I want to say that wrote down here. So um I read, do you want the real rejects? I forget. Do you watch theirs? I know them. Yeah, yeah. I know Yeah, i don't know if you listen to... like They have like a podcast, and Koi was on there with Greg, yeah and they talked about the Netflix merger.
00:55:06
Speaker
And you should listen to their podcast where they talk about this, because it was it was really, really good. I think they released it maybe like a week ago or so. And... um Koi said this one thing that Craig was like, damn, that's dark. He said that his feeling about this was that he's on the Titanic and he's listening to the violence.
00:55:29
Speaker
Like, he's like, you know what? I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna take in all the good stuff that's left because he's like accepted that like the ship's going down. Yep.
00:55:40
Speaker
And Greg's like, holy shit, that's dark. Like, I haven't even... He's like, I'm hopeful, but, like, I haven't even gotten that dark. He's like, yeah, no, I've... I am that person who's listening to the violins on the Titanic going down.
00:55:52
Speaker
Because I just think it... it we should just accept the inevitable that is going to, I am inevitable. you know Like at the end of the day, like at this point we should just take in the good stuff that we have because it's not going to last much longer. um And when he said that, I was like, oh shit, damn, that's true. And Greg men mentioned this thing that also like really resonated that I was like, Oh shit, that is so true too. Is when you think of Netflix, right?
00:56:23
Speaker
You think of, and you said it, content. So nothing, you know, for whenever it starts, right? Whenever they're like, okay, we're actually taking over. We're going to do things our way. I i fear that movies are everything, Warner Brothers, whatever, anything that comes out that is under the Netflix umbrella is going to start to feel like content. Yeah.
00:56:46
Speaker
And not that movie theater experience that we have always thought of. Like, oh we're going to the movies. where like Now everything's just going to be like, because even though the CEO is like, no, no, we're still going to put things out in the movies. But that's not like, and we're going to put it on theaters, right? Like, that's not his experience.
00:57:06
Speaker
prerogative, right? Like his idea is like, I run a company where I need to have content and I a need to stream and that's how I make my money. So yeah, what are they going to release the movies for like two weeks and then be like, okay, now you got to go on streaming.
00:57:19
Speaker
It's gone. It's in the theater for a week or two. Well, they already do that for certain movies. I mean, I think they did that. They did they did did it with um Frankenstein. I think they had Frankenstein in the theater for like two weeks. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like it's not even in a lot of theaters. It's in select theaters on top of that. So it's not like a major wide release.
00:57:38
Speaker
it's it's already exactly It's already starting to happen. So imagine like when they officially take over. Yep. Scary times, man. It's scary. it's just Everything is just going to feel like content. And that is actually scary because movies shouldn't feel like content. And unfortunately, with streaming, because everything is just being put on this platform, it is becoming content because you're just like, okay, I'll click this. No, don't want to watch that. No, don't that. It's not...
00:58:07
Speaker
You're going to the movies to to have an experience, to to have, you know, everyone gets together and we're going to go watch this big thing. It's just now like, oh, look, there's about 500. It's a catalog of content. What I want to watch today?
00:58:21
Speaker
And that's where that's what we're at now with this. And again, they got they they got the biggest content provider there. I mean, just with just, listen, if you look at just Turner movie classics, which is under the Warner Brothers umbrella, just the classic movies that they have, that whole library is is ridiculous.
00:58:42
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Then you throw in HBO. You throw in all these other things. You're just like, you're just like oh, my God. they hit They hit the jackpot. And, again, Netflix is in a situation where that's their bread and butter. They need that. They need content because they need to justify to their shareholders because, again, they have shareholders. They need to justify to their shareholders, but also to their members who pay a subscription. I'm one of them.
00:59:08
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they need to They need to do that and show us, listen, um your membership went up $10, but it went up. But look at all the stuff we got. You know what I mean? So this is the thing.
00:59:21
Speaker
Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, i was like that's the other thing. And it's not it's just like, once it buys HBO Max, how much more expensive is it going to be? Do you think it's going to be cheaper or it's going to be more expensive? Everything goes up. No, this is...
00:59:37
Speaker
We live in a world where when does things when do things go down in price? Things don't go down in price. Not in this new world. It's to worse now. And then, no, no, I'll take it even a step further. And this is the worst one.
00:59:49
Speaker
If you are taking out Warner Brothers from the cycle of it going to theaters, that's one less studio that's going to be. and and and not And when I say one less studio, I'm talking about a big studio at that.
01:00:04
Speaker
that's not going to be putting stuff in theaters. What do you think is going to, what you think that's going to happen to these movie theaters and, and, and the tickets for the price of tickets?
01:00:16
Speaker
So if you paid $15 for a regular ticket to go on a regular day to see a movie, be prepared to pay maybe $5 more and maybe even $10 more per ticket because it's less, yeah there's less now being shown in that theater.
01:00:31
Speaker
Less of that. And then the other sad thing is we might see more, we might see theaters closed because that's less studios that are being ah made available to make ah movies for that theater.
01:00:43
Speaker
you know Unless theaters get really like creative and And they, you know, start showing more international movies, which could happen. You know what I mean? Or unless other studios that are smaller maybe step up and be like, okay, well, we'll fill in the void and we'll we'll put movies there. You know, like, but that's the thing. Not every studio can do that. Not every studio can do that on the level of a Warner Brothers. You know what I mean? So this is a very, it's it I want to say, what how does, how does, um Dumbledore say, you know, dark times are ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. know And, you know, we and I'm saying that we might be seeing we might be seeing Harry Potter just being in all that world, being on Netflix. Oh, yeah. I mean, i mean sometimes it is, but they won't play like all the movies. But now they'll be able to.
01:01:30
Speaker
It breaks my heart because you mean to tell me that a movie like The Batman Part II I mean, granted, I still don't think the merger is going to be completed by then. Batman Part 2 is supposed to come out in 2027. You mean to tell me that, oh, the premiere for Batman Part 2, it's premiering. I watch it at home. I don't want to see the Batman Part 2 at home. I want to see it in the biggest screen possible because it's made for that. Dune 3. You think I want to see Dune 3 premiere at home? Or like Avatar?
01:02:01
Speaker
and imagine well Well, let me tell you. And this is the other thing that I think it's... Granted, Avatar is Disney, so. Yeah, but this is where this is where I think it's also, this this deal might backfire a lot on Netflix. is I think what going also start seeing is you're going to seeing a lot of creators.
01:02:20
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A lot of these these very popular directors and producers and actors that they're going to be like, yeah, I don't want to work at Warner Brothers. because I want to work with studios that my movies are going to be released in theaters.
01:02:35
Speaker
I mean, i already heard James Cameron say it. They had asked him about the whole Netflix deal and he's he's he's completely against it. He's like not even looking in that direction. And one of the main reasons Christopher Nolan left Warner Brothers to go to Universal is because he caught wind of their ideas of, remember, and this happened during the pandemic, But they started doing the whole thing of like, oh, we're going to put movies in theaters and at home at the same time. Yeah. That's what happened with, um that's what they were trying to do with Tenant, and he prevented it from happening.
01:03:08
Speaker
And he went to Universal for that reason, because Universal, they're going to release all their movies on Netflix. on um in theaters. They're not doing anything where it's like, oh, it's going to be released on Peacock, then theaters. No, it's going to be released in theaters. He caught a wind of this. He kind of knew, no, you guys are trying to like fucking do the whole Netflix model of doing theaters and screen and at home screening. No, I don't want any part of that.
01:03:36
Speaker
There's going to be a big backlash when it comes to directors and producers. And a lot of them are going to be like, I don't think I want to deal with you. I don't think I want to deal with you. you know And remember, speaking that Netflix is the parent company, Netflix is going to be the one kind of okaying budgets.
01:03:53
Speaker
Who's to say that they don't like they don't kind of force a lot of directors to be like, okay, well, if you want to release this under the Warner Brothers umbrella or arm, you know just expect budgets for movies to be X amount of dollars.
01:04:07
Speaker
Yeah. But the movies that have the higher budgets are on Netflix. Uh-huh. Yeah. As a way of controlling things. So, yeah, it's this isn't this isn't good. This isn't good. It's not good.
01:04:20
Speaker
It's not good. And, and again, this isn't going to be the last one. I'm telling you, man, Apple is app apple to me made they made the biggest noise without saying a word.
01:04:34
Speaker
Because, again, you mean to tell me you have Apple TV, and I love Apple TV. I think Apple TV is the – out of all the streamers, Apple TV is the best. But it is missing a lot of, quote unquote, content. Content. You know, then don' don't get me wrong. there A lot of their original content is really good. And I think if Apple TV wasn't from a company like Apple, but like ah us like a smaller company, I'd say, oh, no, they're good. They don't need anything because they're they're getting there. Yeah.
01:05:03
Speaker
That's Apple. That's a freaking trillion dollar company. Okay. um They have the money. And the fact that they did not look in that direction to get that library to me says everything I need to know. They are looking for Bigfoot.
01:05:19
Speaker
And in their eyes, Bigfoot is not missing. Bigfoot is right there. And they're just waiting for the time. Because again, these are all business companies. They're all tech companies. They know.
01:05:32
Speaker
They know that Disney, it's go there's going to come a point where Disney is going to be like, yeah, we we can't keep doing this shit anymore. We can't. We need more money to run shit.
01:05:46
Speaker
you know The parks are bleeding right now. They're not making as much money as they used to offer the parks. um you know like the everything Everything comes up over where things dry up.
01:05:57
Speaker
And Disney is going to come to a point where they're going to be like, yeah, we might be selling. And guess who's going to be there to buy? Guess. Guess who's going to be there to buy? Apple's going to like, knock, knock. I'm here. Apple's going to be like, y'all don't need to.
01:06:14
Speaker
you guys You guys don't even need to. like Nobody needs to freaking put in a bid because you're not going to outbid us. I mean, unless the Saudis come in and like blow everybody the which they actually could. but Who knows? They are opening a park in Dubai. Yeah.
01:06:27
Speaker
yeah I mean, listen, there's signs everywhere. There's a lot of things happening behind the scenes that we
Concerns About Streaming Mergers
01:06:32
Speaker
do not know. yeah But i do I can tell you this confidently. um This isn't going to be the last time we see a studio be sucked up by a tech company. And I do believe you got to look at Apple.
01:06:46
Speaker
You have to even look at Microsoft because that's another trillion dollar company that can do it. You know what I'm saying? You can look at all these things and they can do it. They can all do it. And again, i now
01:07:00
Speaker
Let's say, for instance, that this does go through litigation held like I'm predicting it to go through. And let's say, for instance, because the way I'm hearing it is Netflix wants Warner Brothers and they want their content, they all the library stuff. The library. But all the other stuff they might not want.
01:07:21
Speaker
So what will happen is they'll sell all that stuff off if ah on its own. So, you know, you have this Warner Discovery, there's CNN, there's all these things. Mm-hmm. um But let's say that at the end, it just everything proves to be too costly or it's taking too long. Could that potentially scare off companies from doing this type of merger again or or or um or purchase again? It could.
01:07:47
Speaker
It really could. You know, um this could be the moment where. the industry comes together and and makes such a fuss, it makes it so difficult that it sends a message to all other companies to be like, don't do this, do not buy a studio, because you're gonna have to deal with what Netflix had to deal with for well over how many years to make this thing happen. you know Again, they're saying it's going to take between 12 and 18 months. I think it's going to be 18 months or longer.
01:08:16
Speaker
I really do, because I just think there's so much there's so much happening there, and I do think that there is a genuine fear in the Hollywood, in the industry, that this could mark the end of...
01:08:30
Speaker
theaters and because of that because of the scope of what this is i think that this is going to be a very rough rough rough go so again yes there's an approved uh uh bid you know but nothing has changed hands yet one brothers is still warner brothers it's pending right now. yeah And yeah that pending thing, that pending sign could be on there for a while.
01:08:55
Speaker
So buckle up. This is just the beginning. And again, who knows if between from now and then a certain company becomes available and another company buys it.
01:09:07
Speaker
You never know. yeah You never know. full We're in for the long haul here. I don't want to doom and gloom. The Titanic as core jazz. Yeah, I don't want to be doom and gloom, but it is kind of doom and gloom. Listening to the music. Yeah, listening to the music. It is, man. It really is. It's a scary time. And again, I worry about us as consumers because we love all this shit, man. We love entertainment. Well, that part is scary. It's something that's very important to us. Yeah.
01:09:38
Speaker
how is this going to... Where we go? How are we going to talk about this media in a way? Because we're already paying up the nose as it is for all, for streaming service A, B, and C, and You know what I mean? So what does this merger mean? Is it going to make it cheaper for us? Hell no, it's not going to make it cheaper for us. Nothing is ever cheaper for us. Nothing is ever cheap.
01:10:00
Speaker
Nothing. You know what I'm saying? yeah I think... um i think um I think we as consumers are screwed. I hate to say it, but I think we're screwed. Unless you're into pirating and you do all that shit, which, listen, you do you. You do what you got to do to get your fix of your movies and your TV shows.
01:10:20
Speaker
I wouldn't blame you because now going to movies, as it is right now, going to movies is expensive. So you mean to tell me that when you remove a major movie studio... From the theaters in general, you don't you don't think that movie ticket's going to go up? It's going to go up. It ain't going go down. Or that local movie house you go to, that shit might close down.
01:10:37
Speaker
We might literally see chains. We might see, we might this might be the end of Regal oof or the end of AMC, whoever is involved. Yeah, because it's not fair. Not every studio is going to be able to keep up with the demand of of what these movie theaters are asking for.
01:10:54
Speaker
So, yeah, man, um we need to we need to hope that things work out in the favor of what we would like it to be. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what that is at the moment because that is a lot of money being exchanged. And usually when a lot of money is being exchanged, i know when you're talking about $80 plus billion dollars being exchanged,
01:11:15
Speaker
um it's it's it's it's hard to for any company to walk away from that. You know what I mean? Yeah. so yeah Yeah, I agree. i agree. It's a scary time. And ah I don't know. I just...
01:11:32
Speaker
I don't know. I guess we just have to wait to see what until it's official. Until they say ding, ding, ding. Okay. Or da-dum. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Jesus. That's how it's going to be. Oh, wow. That's wild. Are we going to see Bugs Bunny come out? we going to see Bugs Bunny come out of the end? From behind the end? Like, what's up, Doc? we going to see that? Oh, my gosh. I didn't even think about that. So funny. I'm telling you, man. That is hilarious. I mean, it happened. Remember, it happened when Disney got 20th Century Fox and it became 20th Century Studios. And it was like, oh, well, at least they kept the... Yeah, that's true. They kept that. You what I mean? I didn't realize they announce the studios. Yeah, you're right. Wow. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
01:12:17
Speaker
Well, yeah anyway, guys, we, yeah, this was a good conversation. We actually, we just done a lot of things there that we weren't expecting to touch on on this episode, but um lots of good things coming. You know, we've got the new year, we've got ah award season. So there's going to be lots to talk about the award season coming up.
Upcoming Award Season and Podcast Preview
01:12:37
Speaker
Because there's a lot to chat about there, as you guys know. Because when are... Is it Critics' Choice Awards? Golden Globes are usually in January. Or Golden Globes? I don't even know. I think i know Golden Globes is in January. Because they announced the Critic Choice Awards, but I can't remember when they are. I think that's in January also. I think they're both in January.
01:12:56
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Critic Choice Awards. Let's see really quick. Critic...
01:13:09
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They are
01:13:13
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January 4th. Oh, so that's going to be pretty pretty soon. yeah Pretty soon, actually. Yeah, so like about three weeks or so. Yeah, yeah. So definitely, yeah, when we get back, the Critics' Choice Awards will probably already like done. And we'll talk about that and then go into the Golden Globes season. Yeah. But hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
01:13:32
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01:14:14
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01:14:26
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