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13. Called to...Season 1 Reflections
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Join us as we reflect on the last season. From our technical difficulties to our own transformations We cover it all. Please don’t forget to leave us a review, follow us on social media, and subscribe to our patreon. We would love to financially support our guests for season 2 and keep the show ad free.
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Mentions
Missed mention from the previous episode: Cunningfolk (2015) - The Green Bottle Method
This method is one of many, it just happened to be the one we mentioned.
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Transcript
Intro
Season Finale Intro
00:00:16
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Hello, Blanca. ah
00:00:19
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Hi, Ksera ¿Cómo estás?
00:00:21
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
It's... ah muy bien Muy bien in. Did I say that properly? I think I said mu bien
00:00:27
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yes. I heard muy. You're good.
00:00:31
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Okay, good.
00:00:32
Blanca Torres, LMFT
bien. Muy bien.
00:00:33
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Et tu?
00:00:35
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Muy bien Muy bien
00:00:37
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yes. And
Listener Engagement and Patreon
00:00:38
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
it is our last episode of the season. And just to let the listeners know, this is going to be like an atypical kind of short episode because we're going to be doing some reflections and checking in and setting our intentions.
00:00:56
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
for what we want for our next season and also inviting you to think about contributing episode topics to next season. but We have a couple of housekeeping things um or calls to action, which is the first is that if you've been listening to us and enjoying the show wherever you have been listening, which shouldn't include Spotify anymore, but I'll double check that to make sure.
00:01:22
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
um Just make sure that you leave us a review and you subscribe, preferably a five-star review. Thank you very much. um But if you're going to leave a different one, I guess that's okay.
00:01:35
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Whoever you are who left the three-star review, I see you. um Yeah, I know. I know. um And the next thing that we wanted to make sure to remind you of is our Patreon. So we have updated our Patreon and we created $1 root supporter tier, especially for those of you who are not clinicians, because a lot of our Patreon is like geared toward clinicians, but you want to show your support for the show and also contribute to money that helps us keep the show ad free.
00:02:09
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Because like I said before, it does cost us money to do this. So our hosting and our recording platform and all of those things and Both Blanca and i are funding this generously out of our businesses because we are passionate about the effort. But still, it is nice to not have to pay for 100% ourselves. So if you've been enjoying it, consider just joining our Patreon as a Root supporter.
00:02:33
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
We also have three other tiers. So we have our Grounded Listener. And our grounded listener has early access to our episodes and some shout outs and exclusive polls. So you'll be like actively participating and shaping how the show goes moving forward. And then we have Growing Together, which um we have some offerings for clinicians there, like feedback on your therapist listing or your website or things like that. And there's some more there. as well as money
00:03:06
Blanca Torres, LMFT
(laughing)
00:03:08
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
many updates from us. um And we also have some behind-the-scenes conversations planned for those folks on a quarterly basis. And then we have our Deep Diver, which is the last of our Patreon And you get a little bit more out of that. So we encourage you to check that out. It will be in our show notes as it always is.
00:03:30
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
And the
Reflecting on the Year
00:03:31
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
most important thing to say about the Deep Diver is that our role with that is that we're going donate $5 of the Deep Diver level to mutual aid efforts.
00:03:42
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
So we'll probably pick like one effort quarterly. And if we're able to get that going, even if it's just one of you, we will still put the money somewhere and we'll be transparent in our show notes about what the cause is.
00:03:56
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Because community, mutual aid like all of that is always important, but even ah now more so than ever. So please join our Patreon.
00:04:08
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
What are we doing, Blanca, for the rest of this episode?
00:04:12
Blanca Torres, LMFT
For the rest of this episode, i want us, we want us to really kind of reflect on the last year of this endeavor. So just to jump right Kassara, what episode pushed you or stretched your thinking?
00:04:28
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
oh um I think for me it was um when we were talking about, and it's actually one of our more recent episodes, so I'm cheating, but like the whole thing about licensure
00:04:44
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:46
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
certifications and like how training is important, but also imagining a world in which people could like access the training that they need without it being gate kept behind licensure. And I think like even editing that episode, I was aware of like, we really struggled through the tension of imagining what that would look like and knowing that other professionals,
00:05:13
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
um what's the word? Comment. about other professionals and how you're not legitimate if you're licensed and just pushing ourselves to think about what it looks like to challenge that narrative. So for me, like talking about that really stretched my thinking and I'm still thinking about
Unlearning and Critical Thinking
00:05:33
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
it. What about you?
00:05:35
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I mean, I think that one for sure for me as well, um just because it is true that there's a... The way where it led me is that it's true that there's room for everybody and there's different ways of healing and it doesn't have to look one way. And you certainly...
00:05:52
Blanca Torres, LMFT
There's space for licensed practitioners. There's space for practitioners of other types. And we're all in it together, right? But to not steal your answer and give you a different one, um I think anytime we talk about money, i think always really maybe stretch my thinking isn't quite the right term, but it certainly grounds me.
00:06:14
Blanca Torres, LMFT
And it reminds me of like, okay, it's it's okay to be uncomfortable And charge the late cancellation fee. It's okay to be uncomfortable and still raise your rates, right? Things like that. So I would say those two, which I think I'm cheating because I'm answering two.
00:06:31
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
but That's okay.
00:06:31
Blanca Torres, LMFT
But, you know.
00:06:34
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
What surprised you the most about the stories we ended up telling?
00:06:39
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I think just how much they're repeated. Like, they're not unique. And what I mean by that is just that There's so much harm being done by these therapy therapy training programs just across the board. And sometimes I feel like the people I talk to who are not harmed.
00:07:04
Blanca Torres, LMFT
God, im I'm having a hard time saying this, but a lot of them are wyt. The people I've talked to are like, oh, it was fine. i had no problems. not Not exclusively wyt but a lot of them are.
00:07:16
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yeah.
00:07:16
Blanca Torres, LMFT
and I think that that is just, you know, maybe I shouldn't say surprising. Maybe it's not at all surprising. But yeah, just just how common this our stories are in the field.
00:07:32
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:34
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah.
00:07:34
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
I think that definitely resonates with me. um But for me, it was realizing both how much I had forgotten and how much I remembered, if that makes sense.
00:07:49
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Like there were some stories that I was sharing with you, particularly in our earlier episodes about graduate school experience, where I was like, wow, I think I like I'm totally amnestic about what happened here
00:08:06
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
um because it did affect me a lot. Um, whereas some things they stick out in my mind so clearly.
00:08:15
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
um and I think always for me processing the ways in which I didn't quite metabolize feeling harmed by my peers in graduate training, um, because that was probably for survival.
00:08:29
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Right.
00:08:33
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
um And even like the whole, when I talked about being perceived as intimidating and how that's just so commonly a part of like the experience that Black womxn have.
00:08:40
Blanca Torres, LMFT
right
00:08:46
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
I think that those are some of the surprises to me. It's just like who I was then going through that versus who I am now reflecting on it.
00:08:56
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah,
Looking Forward: Future Themes and Guests
00:08:57
Blanca Torres, LMFT
and i'm i'm I know that that was hard for you, but I'm glad you got a chance to really sit with that because I think it's just kind of part of the healing process.
00:09:07
Blanca Torres, LMFT
We have ways of cutting ourselves off from certain pains for good reason, for survival, and i don't know, it's healing to get it out.
00:09:09
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
her
00:09:15
Blanca Torres, LMFT
so I'm glad that you did.
00:09:17
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
How dare you be a therapist, Blanca? Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh.
00:09:22
Blanca Torres, LMFT
don't worry, i spend most of my time not being a therapist, trust me. Um, let's see. What are you unlearning right now as we reflect on our episodes?
00:09:35
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
gosh For me, I think what I'm unlearning is even how, like obviously everything that we talk about, I constantly reflect on but I've been particularly reflecting on the structure of our episodes um and how we introduce ourselves and why.
00:09:56
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
And we reflected on that in a previous episode about like the colonial introduction versus not. um And maybe like what I might want like this to look like for our next season.
00:10:10
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Mm-hmm.
00:10:10
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
um Just given my reflection about how we're showing up and evolving as we're going through this process. So I think for me, I'm unlearning and unpacking and and reflecting on that.
00:10:22
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah. For me, it's the shoulds of it all. um Less so much about our podcast specifically, but the shoulds that we get.
00:10:26
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Hmm.
00:10:32
Blanca Torres, LMFT
You should run your practice like this. You should work with insurance like that. Or you should work with cash pay like this. You should do this. You should do that. I'm done with the shoulds. I think as soon as someone says you shouldn't do this or you should do that, I'm done.
00:10:46
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yeah.
00:10:47
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I'm done listening. No, should does not exist. You can offer me advice. You can offer me your perspective. We can offer advice. We can offer perspective. But ultimately, people need to run their practices in a way that is most supportive of them. And what that looks like for you is different than what it looks like for me, which is different than what it looks like for somebody else.
00:11:09
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Right. So I think that's one of the things I'm i'm unlearning, learning unlearning, um feeling like i know exactly how a practice should be run by someone.
00:11:19
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Mm
00:11:22
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah.
00:11:23
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
hmm. What's one thing you're hoping to carry or you? I think that we said listeners, oh listeners carry into their own healing and practice after this season.
00:11:29
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah.
00:11:37
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I mean, I think kind of similar to everything we've just been saying, which is figure out what is most supportive of you to do this work.
00:11:48
Blanca Torres, LMFT
um Because I think it's inherently sacrificial in the way we lend our nervous system and the way we carry our stories. And we don't need to add to that.
00:11:59
Blanca Torres, LMFT
You know, we don't need to take on additional sacrifices to be good people, to be good healers. And so i think what I want listeners to take away is please just center yourself in what makes this work sustainable for you and drop the what everybody else's shoulds.
00:12:22
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yeah, I think mine parallels that, but like, I take it in a somewhat different direction, which is like, I hope listeners carry the awareness that critical thinking is crucial for our work, but for everything, right?
00:12:35
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah. Right.
00:12:38
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
That like, I'm constantly interrogating both within myself and other professionals, what indoctrination I'm still holding on to.
00:12:48
Blanca Torres, LMFT
right
00:12:48
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
in the way I think about my work. And this is front and center because I was teaching yesterday. And sometimes my trainees will ask questions that are just so rooted in the indoctrination, right? And that's appropriate for their developmental level, given the systems that they're embedded in, but I'm always the person who's like, but why?
00:13:09
Blanca Torres, LMFT
right
00:13:09
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Can you really explain that? Like, why do you think that? Why does it have to be that way? And that kind of line of thinking always got me into trouble when I was in training. But I want listeners to take away that it is so crucial to continue to interrogate ourselves and what we believe and why and why we're doing what we're doing.
00:13:31
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yes, absolutely. I love that one.
00:13:35
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
What conversation do you feel called to have next season or new conversations or maybe something that we didn't really get to talk about?
00:13:46
Blanca Torres, LMFT
That's a really good question. I mean, I'm looking forward to potentially having other voices and other perspectives.
00:13:53
Blanca Torres, LMFT
So I don't know if that's not necessarily a specific conversation, but certainly other perspectives. So hopefully that's something that is coming down the pike. Um...
00:14:06
Blanca Torres, LMFT
You know, I think I'd be interested in talking a little bit more about decolonized therapy and and what that looks like. I don't know that I have felt truly prepared prepared for that conversation, but maybe that's where the conversation lies, you know? And so maybe something like that.
00:14:23
Blanca Torres, LMFT
What about you?
00:14:23
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yeah. For me with guests, I really want to be able to invite someone who can give us a non-US centric perspective on, on um these systems.
00:14:33
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah.
00:14:37
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Cause obviously the Western world operates a certain way, but like not everywhere in the Western world operates the same way. And like even expanded beyond that. And I have the lovely opportunity to interact with professionals, international professionals throughout the societies that I'm a part of.
00:14:51
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
And like, It's so interesting hearing how differently some things work, but also how similarly other things do. um And then when we were talking about that in one of our episodes, we did say like we weren't really prepared to talk about that because it's not the perspective that we share or is part of our lived experience. um So I want kind of more expansive voices um when it comes to thinking about this.
00:15:16
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yes, love that. um And what's one thing you're grateful this podcast i allowed allowed you to say out loud?
00:15:26
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
ah Fuck the EPPP
00:15:31
Blanca Torres, LMFT
(laughing)
00:15:36
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
That The licensure exam has no correspondence to real world skills as
Empowerment and Community Support
00:15:42
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
a clinician. Needed to be said. And it needs to be like said loudly. So for me, I was grateful for that. What about you?
00:15:54
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I think just being able to tell my grad school story, you know, out loud, I think after so many years, there's enough voices, my own included, to say it wasn't that bad. You're overreacting.
00:16:07
Blanca Torres, LMFT
It was that bad. I was not overreacting. And it caused me deep harm that I still deal with to this day. And so I think just having the opportunity to share that out loud, I think was, I'm really grateful to have been able to do that.
00:16:23
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
And in closing, what's one thing you hope listeners rest into while we're moving into what is always a complicated season?
00:16:35
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I'm hoping listeners find a way to shut down that inner critic and allow themselves rest. And beyond rest, I hope they're able to find or lean into whatever restorative practice is.
00:16:53
Blanca Torres, LMFT
that exist for them. I think just whatever that looks like, i don't I don't care. I don't even need examples or anything like that. Just whatever rest and restoration looks like for you, i hope that you can lean into it. And whatever inner voice, inner critic is telling you that you can't or shouldn't, I hope you're able to find a way to shut that down.
00:17:14
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
And relatedly, I'd like for those who maybe have less access to rest for all kinds of reasons.
00:17:24
Blanca Torres, LMFT
True.
00:17:24
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
to be able to access that. Like, it's more of like a prayer, so to speak. I'm just holding in mind, like, all of the people for whom that privileged question is just not, like, a real reality. um And I hope for that for them and that for those of us who are, like, engaging with mutual aid and all of these different things can be connected to providing those opportunities for people, right?
00:17:55
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Like, because rest could even be like, solid meals for a week.
00:18:00
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Right.
00:18:01
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Right? Like, being able to nourish your body with food, um having a warm place to sleep. um So I'm hoping for that for people in this season.
00:18:16
Blanca Torres, LMFT
I love that.
00:18:16
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
So yeah, but it makes me a little teary. But I think that speaks to all i like hold about all of these things.
00:18:21
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah.
00:18:27
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah, absolutely.
00:18:28
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
So ah um setting our intention for next season, like we said, one of the things that we're planning to would like to do is invite guests.
00:18:40
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
And ideally, we'd love to be able to compensate them for their time um in the in an ideal world. So that also requires money and a full circle back to please consider contributing to the Patreon one time donation link in the show notes so that we can support the folks that we invite who are largely going to be from historically
00:18:49
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Mm-hmm. but
00:19:05
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
not historically, Lord have mercy, systematically, currently and always oppressed um and suppressed backgrounds. And they do deserve to be able to be compensated.
00:19:20
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
So I'd just like to call everybody to do that as well. Anything you want to say in closing, Blanca?
00:19:25
Blanca Torres, LMFT
Yeah. I think I just want to say thank you to everyone who stuck through our early issues while we were figuring this out, figuring out my mic, figuring out
00:19:35
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Mm-hmm.
Closing Thanks and Listener Feedback
00:19:35
Blanca Torres, LMFT
everything and creating space and holding our stories and our thoughts like that is extremely generous.
00:19:44
Blanca Torres, LMFT
And I'm deeply grateful to you all for that.
00:19:48
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yes, and to thank the people who've been listening who've taken the time to reach out and provide feedback and commentary and reflections. So please, um if you're listening back and you're catching up, email us at calledtohealingpodcast at gmail.com.
00:20:05
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
We would love to hear from you. We would love your questions. We would love your suggestions for future up episodes. So that's it, Blanca. We did it.
00:20:14
Blanca Torres, LMFT
We did it. a full year. We'll catch you guys next time.
00:20:17
Ksera Dyette, Psy.D. (she/her)
Yes. All right. Take care, everybody. bye