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From Execution to Ethics: Capital Punishment, Snitching, and Scandals
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In this episode of "Unsolicited Perspectives," Bruce Anthony and J. Aundrea dive into a thought-provoking discussion on the ethics of the death penalty, exploring the controversial execution of Byron Black in Tennessee. They also tackle the evolving concept of snitching, using the recent arrest of former NBA star Gilbert Arenas as a case study. Join the siblings as they navigate these complex topics with humor and insight, challenging listeners to reflect on their own moral compass. #DeathPenalty #Ethics #Snitching #Podcast #byronblack #gilbertarenas #unsolicitedperspectives
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Chapters:
00:00 Welcome to Unsolicited Perspectives 🎙️🔥💥
00:46 Sibling Happy Hour: Spicy Sips & Hot Takes 🍹🌶️
01:06 Catching Up: Sibling Laughs & Life Updates 😄🗨️
01:59 Road Trip Vibes: Playlists, Pets & Pit Stops 🚗🎶🐶
10:36 Generations Collide: Tech, Trends & Throwbacks 📱🕰️
19:11 Amusement Park Antics: Thrills, Fears & Fails 🎢😱
24:00 Byron Black's Case: Crime, Context & Controversy 🕵️♂️❓
26:13 Death Penalty Dilemma: Justice or Cruelty? ⚖️💔
33:01 Childhood Punishments: Whoopings or Grounded? 🧸🚫
34:07 Punishment Debate: Time vs. The Ultimate Price ⏳⚰️
36:44 Medical Ethics: Doctors, Death & Dilemmas 🩺⚡
39:41 Cruel & Unusual? The Constitution in Question 📜🤔
47:05 Gilbert Arenas: High Stakes & Legal Drama 🃏🚨
49:32 Snitching Unpacked: Loyalty, Law & Street Codes 🗣️🔍
01:03:03 Final Thoughts: Morality, Ethics & Self-Reflection 🧠💭
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Introduction to 'Unsolicited Perspectives'
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the death penalty, and snitching, we gonna get into it. Let's get it.
00:00:17
Speaker
Welcome. First of all, welcome. This is Unsolicited Perspectives. I'm your host, Bruce Anthony, here to lead the conversation in important events and topics that are shaping today's society. Join the conversation and follow us wherever you get your audio podcasts. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for our video podcasts, YouTube exclusive content, and our YouTube memberships.
00:00:35
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rate, review, like, comment, share. Share with your friends, share with your family, hell, even share with your enemies. On today's episode, it's the Sibling Happy Hour. I'm here with my sis, Jay Andrea.
00:00:49
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We're going to be dilly-dadding a little bit. Then we're going to talking about the death penalty. And then we're going to talking about Gilbert Arenas and snitching.
Sibling Happy Hour: Death Penalty & Gilbert Arenas
00:00:56
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But that's enough of the intro. Let's get to the show.
00:01:06
Speaker
What up, sis? What up, brother? I can't call it. I can't call it. You in a new location. You at mom's crib. Reporting live from Maryland. Okay. Maryland.
00:01:19
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Ladies and gentlemen, yes, we are in the same location. Yes, we still plan on doing the same location for the 250th. Have I figured out all the details yet? No.
00:01:30
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ah Will I make sure that I figure them out? Yes. Are we going to do it? I hope so. Yeah. That's the best, you know what, that's the best we can ever give you, honestly, is I hope so.
00:01:44
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Yeah, I mean, that's all. I'm trying, and I hope so. Look, I came here with a hope and a dream to make a dollar and some cream. No, I mean, ah we fly by the seat of our pants. We don't know what we're doing here, but thank you for riding along with us. Speaking of rides, how was yours, Jay?
00:02:03
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Uh, it was actually, oh it was actually okay. That's because I drove overnight instead of like during the day. So I didn't hit any traffic. It was cool. Yeah, it was a nice ride. Pretty much, you know, I got like a system. So I start with Prince, right? yes And then, you know, then Michael Jackson, then, and then you got to take it back.
00:02:26
Speaker
And then I go Jackson 5, then the Jacksons. Right. Cause there, there's a difference. There's a difference. And man ah then Stevie Wonder is next. And I like to wrap up with Miseducation of Lauryn Hill because you can play that end to end. And that's a really good really good playlist. Yes, that's a classic album.
00:02:47
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Unlike the Clips current album. But I never said that the Clips album was a classic. I said it was fire. That's what I said. It is fire. It absolutely is fire. Well, I knew when you left because we share an Amazon account and I guess your ring is attached to your Amazon account.
00:03:06
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Yes, yes. So anytime, not every time, which is weird. your doorbell rings or there's an alert at your door that pops up on my TV screen.
Humorous Family Anecdotes
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So I'm sitting in the house, enjoying my Sunday fun day as I do, drinking champagne, watching WWE w documentaries, getting prepared for SummerSlam, the second night of SummerSlam.
00:03:29
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And... your alert Your alert goes off. And I'm like, what the hell? I know Jay had to have already left because it's like 3 o'clock in the afternoon. But no, I see you loading up the car.
00:03:41
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And I was like, this is like a 10 to 12 hour drive. She's not going to get here until like 5 o'clock in the morning. Why yeah would she do this to herself? i I had a choice. Usually I leave at 3 o'clock in the morning so that I get there like midday. I still have the rest of the day.
00:03:59
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So I had a choice. I was like, am I going to sleep and just drive overnight? Or am I just going to go ahead and leave 3 in the morning? And I chose to get some sleep.
00:04:10
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And then it's also better for the dogs because they, by the time I actually got on the road, which was about 6, They had already eaten. gone i had walked them. they They were good. And then i stopped one more time in North Carolina. And then I didn't stop after that.
00:04:27
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I didn't have to. Because they went to sleep. it was By the time I got to North Carolina, was their bedtime. They were asleep. And so it was an easy ride overnight. Because they were back there snoring like a fake JJ and Michael.
00:04:41
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oh matt Speaking of trips, one of my clients is currently in Delaware, in Wilmington, Delaware, home of former president Joey Beans, aka Joe Biden.
00:04:55
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and they And they said, we just missed him, but he was in the grocery store. And I was like, Biden be moving around like that in Wilmington? I guess he does. yeah Then my client said, and and I called her out and I said, that's absolutely not true.
00:05:12
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No, no, no, it is. It's like, it's not. This is another one of the situations was just logically it doesn't make sense. She says, well, he only has one Secret Service agent. I was like, nope. Nope. Incorrect.
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Nope. There's no way in hell. He's got a former team. He has a whole team. He's a former president. He's got a whole team. He doesn't have one Service agent. For the rest of his life. I said, you saw one. You saw one.
00:05:35
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But just know that before he entered that grocery store... It got cleared out by several Secret Service agents. They checked it over thoroughly before he even got in the car to leave for the grocery store. right it was already it was already vetted and cleared so that he could walk in with one Secret Service agent that you saw.
00:05:57
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right But there were a lot of, there were probably plainclothes ones like this. No, it's a team. And... No. no And so i and they kept arguing with me over and over and over again. So finally I Googled it and I said, look, the a current president has 300 Secret Service members detailed to them.
00:06:18
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Former presidents have 90 to 100. Now, the current president did take away the Secret Service detail for Biden's kids because He's an asshole, but you can't take away the secret service detail for the president.
00:06:35
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And so I was like, you just, you're not right. And this was one of three people who gave me, who said something to me. And I was like, I'm going need you to think about this logically.
00:06:47
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That doesn't make any sense. Another person was like, yeah, Jurassic world and Superman are streaming on Amazon prime. I said, Nope. No, it's not.
00:06:58
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No, no, I saw it. Nope. No, it's not. You know how I know that? Because they're both still in a movie theater. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I saw it. I said, Okay. You might have saw a coming soon type of or it'll start streaming in a few months or something. You might have seen an advertisement for it, but you didn't see it. Right.
00:07:16
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And sure enough, I was on my computer. I said, no I'm just going to a quick Google search. And I like, yep, as usual, you're not right. You got half of it right. It will be coming soon. Yeah. But they're still in theaters. Superman hasn't even been in the theater for a full month yet.
00:07:32
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Yikes. Sinners just left theaters. No. Just left. Sinners. No, it did. it i just I saw it maybe about two weeks ago, I saw on Instagram that it's finally out of theaters.
00:07:45
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Well, it's been on, it's been on what? Apple TV or Amazon Prime or whatever. It's on a couple streaming platform platforms right now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was like, all right. But maybe it was a dollar theater. They still got those.
00:07:58
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I doubt it. I really, I highly, highly doubt it. Maybe in some small towns still. Lynchburg, virgin Virginia. Ladies gentlemen, the reason why I brought that up is because when we were living in Lynchburg, Virginia, Lynchburg, Virginia had the a dollar movie theater. And I remember when it first opened, it played old movies in the beginning. And then yeah this was the ninety s So it took a long time before a movie theater had its, before a movie had its full run in the movie theater.
00:08:24
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And it took an even a longer time before it got to video. Like it yeah it would take almost a year after leaving the movie theater before it actually came out on video. Yeah. And so they would play movies at the dollar theater. And when I say it was a dollar theater, the tickets were a dollar.
00:08:40
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oh And it was a good time. It was a good time. You could go see double features and yeah you know and get you some little snacks. And it was just, ah it was nice. i think they should bring those back because you know a lot of, especially for young people, because that's, i that's of course, where when we used it, I remember you know being at an elementary school middle school.
00:09:00
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Going to the dollar theater because you you had a couple dollars in your little piggy bank or your purse. You can go the dollar theater. You know, kids don't. What are kids doing? don't know. Going to main event.
00:09:12
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What is main event? They're basically Dave and Busters, but it's four kids. Yeah. yeah i yeah well probably You know what they should do? I just came up with a million dollar idea. They should bring back a dollar theater for old movies to run.
00:09:27
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And they should have, like, say for instance, they wanted to bring back classic movies like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, right? Right. it wholesome Good wholesome yeah family movies. Yeah. They can run them in two separate theaters at the same time.
00:09:40
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And in one theater, they have all different types of setups for people to go in there and do TikToks and Instagrams along with the movie and post on social media so it's not aggravating everybody.
00:09:53
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And then the other movie theater would be strictly for you sitting here to watch the movie. That would be one way to keep the attention to ah for all these young kids who ain't got no damn attention.
Ethics of the Death Penalty
00:10:04
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Yeah. oh Yeah. I don't know. didn't that do Do the youths go to the movies? I mean, yes, because movies are still making hundreds of millions of dollars or sometimes billions of dollars. so I feel like that's millennials buying tickets. That we're the ones still going to the movies. It could be Gen Z. could be going Gen Z are full-fledged adults right now.
00:10:27
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So they be going to the movies. mean, they're going out on dates. They're buying homes now. They're full-fledged adults. Yeah. Yeah. I remember for the longest time, anytime it was young people stuff, all these millennials out here, especially like during COVID, right? Oh, the millennials are still going out for spring break.
00:10:45
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No, we're not. We're in our 30s and 40s and we have mortgages and children. You're talking about Gen Z. like that and but and But millennial used to just be a catch-all for youth. And I'm like, no, we're we have 401ks now. It's not us.
00:11:01
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Gen Z could also have 401ks now. They probably do. But I mean, no, like we close to using them. ah Well, no, I'm the oldest. Well, I'm actually not a millennial or Gen X. I'm a Zillennial. I saw. Yeah. Was it you that sent me a clip? Yeah. It was you that sent me the clip. He was breaking them down like millennial generation, more detailed, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:25
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I don't think there's any generation, the way he broke it down, ladies and gentlemen, so my sister sent me a clip, an Instagram clip, with this guy breaking down millennials. and And basically, he started with millennials that he dated from 1977 to like 1982 or 83.
00:11:40
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Like, those particular people are like right in the middle because they remember millennials. when there was... They don't remember when there was only three channels. There were cable. It was more than three channels. Fox was around there. But they remember like... Yeah, because gen X is the MTV generation. So there's definite there was definitely cable.
00:11:58
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Yes. He based it on they remember when internet wasn't a thing. and then... But also young enough to still the internet was a thing. But they remember a time when there was no... And and like was ah was aware, like...
00:12:16
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sentient that's a wrong choice of word but yeah but I mean you know conscious in a world without internet access and then watch the birth of internet access and then was on the like a part of the first households to get internet access. Right. Yes.
00:12:36
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it So like we're and I still I kind of include myself in that because I do remember when you needed to look something up, going to the library, hitting that card catalog, doing decimal system, all of the things like being both analog and digital. But I still think I'm I'm later.
00:12:55
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I think you and I are a different generation because I think I grew up with more tech. Like, especially like in school. You grew more tech younger. Yes. You grew with more tech younger.
00:13:06
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Because I remember us getting the computer and getting Windows 95. I was in high school. yeah Like, I'm in high school. Like, I'm yeah um'm out here mixing and running and doing things. You were still in middle school.
00:13:20
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You just got to middle school. Yeah. You know what saying? When we got the internet at home, when we got AOL, I was in middle school. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, but you were like sixth grade middle school. Like you had just got there.
00:13:34
Speaker
Yeah. i'm I'm about to start driving real soon. So that four year difference is yeah not vast as far as age, but is vast as far as like where we were. The movement of technology at the time, for sure. Yeah.
00:13:49
Speaker
I'm going to homecoming and, you know, going to dances and gyrating. You ain't nowhere near that. You still playing with Barbies. Clear example. In high school, you had a pager in high school at a cell phone.
00:14:02
Speaker
Yep. that I did get a cell phone. Well, hold on, though. Yes, you had a cell phone in high school. I had a cell phone right after I graduated high school.
00:14:12
Speaker
But I was the first cat to have a cell phone um when nobody else doing it like that. You know me. I always got the stunt. yeah You did. You had all the. Yes, you had all the things every time.
00:14:24
Speaker
I think I was like the last one to get a cell phone because I was like. What is this? Who cares about that? I still wasn't convinced of the technology yet. Because I was like, you know, we had car phones in the 80s and 90s and then they kind of phased out like nobody had them anymore.
00:14:39
Speaker
So I was still like, why do I need people to be able to reach me outside of home? Like, I still didn't understand. They phased out because people started having cell phones. Yeah, but like, I still was skeptical.
00:14:52
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don't know why you were skeptical. I was just like, why do I need people to reach me outside of home? Like, I don't understand. So, but I still got one. I got that Nokia brick.
00:15:03
Speaker
Everybody had that Nokia brick. Yeah. I got that Nokia brick. That was my first one. and think I so yeah was, yeah, I 16 and I bought it myself with my little money from my part-time job.
00:15:14
Speaker
And, uh, it was dry. It was the Sahara desert. I was like, I don't know why I have this. Yo. yeah ah So I was 18. Nobody else had a cell phone. We were still rocking pages. I had a pager and a cell phone. I had a drug dealing kit without drug dealing.
00:15:32
Speaker
Right. Because I had the chain and the diamond earrings. I do remember. Yes. Y'all, I was the epitome of doing too much. I've always been the epitome of doing too much. Hence the diamond earrings right now. saw you if people saw you they at that time, they be like, oh, he's he's moving weight.
00:15:51
Speaker
Right. And absolutely not. Absolutely not. You had a book report. You had a book report through that evening. Like, absolutely not. You were not. yeah But I remember I was stunting at the county fair, at the Montgomery County Fair.
00:16:07
Speaker
Ladies and gentlemen, Montgomery County in Maryland. That fair. Every August. It was always the week of my birthday. yeah It was a very nice fair. Absolutely. It was a little pathetic. just To stunt at the fair was pathetic. The fair was nice. The fair was fun.
00:16:25
Speaker
Oh, we went we went, me and my boys went to the fair every year. and so this And this is a funny thing. Every year, I would meet up with the same girl and my boys would joke, there go Bruce again with that girl every year. We didn't talk until the fair came around.
00:16:39
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But... but This last year, we did talk because I had the cell phone. So I say, yeah, you know, you can page me or you can hit me up on my cell phone because I i didn't even have a pager the year before.
00:16:52
Speaker
So within a year, I come back. Not only do I have diamond earrings, not only do I got a chain, I got a pager and a cell phone. You couldn't tell me nothing at 18 years old, whipping the corners in the avalon.
00:17:07
Speaker
Can you could tell me nothing yeah back in the day. Yep. yeah pin out doings guitar No, because I was the same at 18. I was just talking about the other day because I, of course, I drive through Virginia coming up here past King's Dominion.
00:17:22
Speaker
i said, man, I have been there since the spring of 2002 for Black College Weekend where I wore an all-white velour rock-a-wear tracksuit And could not be told anything. Like, I only drank Sprite that day because I'm like, I'm not messing up my all-white velour tracksuit.
00:17:50
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Rock-a-wear tracksuit with no Coke. Give me a Sprite or some water. i did not eat a thing because I didn't want to spill nothing.
00:18:01
Speaker
But you couldn't tell me nothing. you real I found that picture actually like a couple years ago of me posing that tracksuit. need to see a copy of this picture. Okay, I will definitely find it. I feel like it's on my old computer somewhere, but I'll definitely find it and show you. And you can you couldn't tell me nothing. Like, i the even the way I was posing, it was like, oh, she really thinks she's somebody.
00:18:24
Speaker
Look, let me tell you something. You and I both do the most. We still do the most. When we get together to do things, we do the most. We the most family.
00:18:37
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yeah Yeah, we do. we are ah Like, honestly, the nickname for our family is the most. That's how I feel. We do the most. And prime example, my my birthday last year. if pat When I tell you that birthday was planned within an inch of its life and perfectly executed...
00:18:58
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you Couldn't tell me nothing. I do the most, but I don't care. It was a good time. Yeah, I mean... And I had... You couldn't tell me nothing walking around that King's Dominion in that tracksuit. Well, the last time I was at King's Dominion, I took one of my girlfriends that you didn't like that much.
00:19:15
Speaker
Oh... yeah You know who I'm talking about. Yeah. And I don't like riding rides. I'm scared of the rides. It's not fun for me. I don't like it. The only one out of the three of us ah siblings that likes roller coasters is me. I'm the only one.
00:19:29
Speaker
Yeah. I don't. And yeah. Okay. But you don't they don't like being on boats and ships because you get motion sickness. i don't understand how that wouldn't. I get cabin fever. i got fever with it yeah well I don't get motion sickness.
00:19:41
Speaker
The last time I went, you know that the one ride in the King's Dominion where it takes you all the way up yeah and then drops you? Well, it took us all the way up. I didn't want to go down there. I didn't want to because I'm afraid of heights. Not in planes for some strange reason.
00:19:54
Speaker
But if my feet can dangle, I don't want to be in situation. you can see the ground. Yeah. In a plane, you don' you can't see the ground. I mean, you can. yeah Most of the time, you nobody's looking out that window. And when you are, it's like you're already at 30,000, and you just see sky.
00:20:09
Speaker
And you see the land, but it's not not the same. You're right. It's not the same. But so, my feet are down. You're in like a seat. And they take you 50, 11 yards in the air.
00:20:22
Speaker
They take you yeah to Mars. About 16 miles. Yeah. In the air. And they drop you straight down. But this time, there was a malfunction. And we're stuck up there.
00:20:35
Speaker
As there typically is at King's Dominion in Virginia. Right. Lest I remind you of the Grizzly. my God. The Grizzly. That I got on that wooden roller coaster every single time I got stuck.
00:20:47
Speaker
Yeah, because we were stuck at the top. And I was like, Yeah. We're stuck at the dangling. We're dangling. yeah we're stuck at a top dangling I'm on a date. Now, once again, I'm doing the most because I took a a female all the way to King's Dominion, which ain't close from where I was living.
00:21:04
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yeah And she's not my girlfriend yet. So I am absolutely doing the most. Why didn't you lose Six Flags? ah Because, you know, I'm a little bougie and I like King's Dominion better and Six Flags is real hood.
00:21:20
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It is. written that They're shutting it down because it's so hood. Anyway, we stuck up there. People up there crying because we're up there for a good 10, 15, 20 minutes. Yeah. And I'm just, I'm holding her hand like it everything's going to be okay, be cool.
00:21:34
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Deep inside, I'm clenching my butt cheeks because some poop is about to come out. Yeah. Because scared to death. I would have pishapuked up there. Don't know what that Pissed.
00:21:48
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but
00:21:51
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shh pew all three at once at once okay at once i brother thought of that word
00:22:02
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it's an idiot oh okay that's enough yeah clowning around and dilly down let's get to something serious and we're going to get into a situation that happened in tennessee surrounding the death penalty and we're going to get into that next
Snitching & Modern Technology
00:22:26
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Okay, Jay, I titled this segment in the rundown Cruel and Unusual Punishment because this clearly fits the definition. And a lot of people are not going to even know this story. And I don't, I'm going to, I'm going to be conflicted.
00:22:42
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At the end, I'm going to explain why I'm conflicted. But the first thing I got do is let people know what the hell we're talking about. So Tennessee executed Byron Blackett, 69 year old death row inmate by lethal injection without deactivating his employee implanted defibrillator, despite a legal dispute over whether the device could cause him unnecessary pain during execution.
00:23:05
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Black cried out in pain shortly after the injection was administered, telling the spiritual advisor present that he was hurting so badly. So what's the summary of all this? He was executed just a cup just yesterday.
00:23:20
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It was August 5th, 2025, because we're recording this on August 6th. They didn't deactivate his ICD, which is our cardioverter. Defibrillator. It's an implantable cardioverter defibrillator. Yes, ICD. Yeah, ICD. That's what I'm going to call it from here on out because I'm not going say them three words ever again because I didn't say them well the first time.
00:23:41
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Okay. There was uncertainty and a legal debate about whether the ICD could deliver painful shocks As a lethal drugs took effect, Black had multiple serious health conditions, including dementia, kidney and heart failure, and he used a wheelchair.
00:23:58
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The lower court court had ordered the device deactivated out of concern for unnecessary suffering, but the Tennessee Supreme Court overturned this, arguing the lower court court lacked such authority.
00:24:11
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The state contended the lethal injection would not activate the ICD and Black would not feel any pain while his lawyers was obviously disagreeing, saying that, no, he going to feel some pain with this.
00:24:23
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So. Tennessee has never executed anybody with lethal injection while they the person had an active ICD. Yeah.
00:24:34
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Just there's more to this story. And I'm going to get into why he was on death row in the first place. But, Jay, just listening to this, what are some of your first thoughts that this man did suffer and yeah the Supreme Court and the courts were wrong?
00:24:52
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And you would think that the medical industry would, experts would weigh in on something like this. and yeah And I'll get to what they did later, but just your initial thoughts of the story.
00:25:03
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So, first of all, i am I still have very conflicting feelings about the death penalty. I don't know how we can punish someone for a crime using the crime.
00:25:18
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You know, they murdered someone, so we'll murder them like that. I don't. I never quite understood that. And then in Black's case in particular, this is a man, like you said, in multiple serious health conditions, including dementia. So here's here's my question.
00:25:36
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Is this a punishment for somebody who doesn't know what's going on? So i I feel like... Once he had, you know, got had all these health issues and health conditions, like he probably should have just been moved to like one of the like it's a prison facility, but it's like a medical facility, you know, for or something like that.
00:26:01
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I just don't know what would be the point then of pursuing the death penalty on someone with dementia. But we've seen it with people who have mental disabilities. We've seen them be executed by the death penalty. So I don't put anything past this country.
00:26:19
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My thing is, if there is that First of all, like you said, there was no precedent for this, right? So if there is a suspicion that a device, which is which purpose, the purpose of this device is to restart his heart.
00:26:38
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Mm hmm. I feel like common sense would tell you if you're trying to put the man to death by stopping his heart, that a device that is and intended to restart his heart through electric shocks is probably something that needs to be deactivated. I'm thinking that that's that feels like common sense to me.
00:26:58
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So I don't know who the state consulted. And that they could like wholeheartedly contend that, oh, it won't activate his device. It it won't.
00:27:09
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He'll be fine. What is the harm in deactivating it?
00:27:15
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What was the harm ever,
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00:27:17
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ever in deactivating it? It wasn't, deactivating it isn't going unlock, it wasn't something on keeping his hidden power under control. And if you, if you deactivate it, then he'll be unleashed.
00:27:32
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Or like, what are you talking about What was the harm in deactivating it? Right. It's a defibrillator, not a, what did they call that on the arrow? its It was something else, not a defibrillator, but something else that would stop people being from being able to use their superpowers. Yeah, this wasn't That's not what this is is. Inhibitor. Inhibitor, that's what it was. Yes.
00:27:54
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Yeah, this isn't an inhibitor. It's a defibrillator. Like, yeah you he wasn't... Deactivating it just meant that he did not have the safety net of a defibrillator should his he go into some sort of cardiac arrest.
00:28:08
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So deactivating it, there was no... There was no downside to deactivating it and to err on the side of caution just seemed like a smart, a smart thing to do. I don't understand what the resistance was to that and why they didn't do it. It just that doesn't make sense to me.
00:28:27
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So I want to piggyback off of what you're saying about the death penalty. I agree with you. I've never been a big proponent of the death penalty because say, for instance, I was convicted of a crime and they gave me life and prison with no parole. I'm 45 right now.
00:28:45
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Let's say I got a good 40 years left in me. God willing. I do not want to spend 40 years in prison. Give me the death penalty. There's no reason for me to still, like, I'm going to be in jail. Jail is horrible.
00:28:59
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Jail is a hell on earth. Jail ain't fun. yeah I'm sure there are some people that feel at home in jail if you've been institutionalized. I'm never going to be one of those people that's institutionalized.
00:29:11
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I don't ever want to be locked in a jail. I was talking to somebody about this a couple of weeks ago. I remember my dorm room in college was no bigger than a jail cell, really. It was around the same size, but there was something that was different. The difference was if I'm trapped in the jail cell, I'm going to hate that confinement. It's going to feel real small because I can't leave when I want to.
00:29:37
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it's not... It is about the size for certain people. It wouldn't be the size for me. It's the fact that I can't just go do what I want to do. The worst thing you could do to me it's take away my freedom. Yeah, it's called punishment for a crime. You don't get to go do whatever you want to do because when they let you do whatever you want to do, you murdered someone. what what Yes, yes.
00:29:57
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So this, that, yeah, it's not supposed to be fun. It's not supposed to be great. It's not supposed to be a good time. It's supposed to be a punishment. Right. Just like Burning Back said, this is not punishment. This is punishment.
00:30:10
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Yeah. Yeah. So you, it would be serving its purpose if you didn't have a good time. I always thought that, uh, yes, I always thought that being in prison is worse to me than death.
00:30:26
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Now, I'm also weird because if it comes to something being amputated, I'm like, go ahead and pull the plug. So, so, so I'm also weird. You're real quick to, the only instance where I'm real quick to just give up on life is any kind of apocalypse.
00:30:44
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No, hold on. Because I don't want to live in a post-apocalyptic world. I don't care if it's zombies, some sort of disease. alien I don't care. a War, World War Z. I don't give a damn what it is.
00:30:56
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If there's no running water, electricity, internet, I don't want to live in a post-apocalyptic world. I'm buy a couple boxes of wine. I'm to sit in my house and wait for the zombies to come get me. No, I don't want be eaten alive. I don't want to fight that hard every day to live.
00:31:10
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i would I would deal with a pokerpo a post-apocalyptic world. up now But I don't like your choice of words. You said I'm real quick to give all give up on life. That's not it. Okay. that that that's not That's not it.
00:31:23
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It's just what type of life if i'm am I living afterwards? I know that there are certain things that I really, really enjoy doing. And if they were taken away from me,
00:31:34
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I wouldn't like it anymore. Life wouldn't be the same for me. Yeah, but there are all sorts of modifications for everything. Until they can build limbs, full limbs that look for real, for real, and I can move and control them for real, then i look, don't amputate nothing. Don't even take an eyeball. i don't want to lose nothing.
00:31:55
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But I've never believed in death penalty because I think that if you put somebody to death, that's the easy way out. A real true punishment is... Punishing them. They got to do the time. Yeah. They got to do the time. And the thing about a life sentence and the reason I feel like we are now completely making this up. This is my own opinion. We use that terminology is because it's a life for a life.
00:32:21
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OK, that person doesn't get to continue on. So you have to live their years and yours in confinement. and And you have to think about it every year that you're still alive in here that they're not.
00:32:35
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And that's you. Yeah, you got to you got to sit on it and live with it. I think that's a punishment living with it. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree growing up.
00:32:46
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What was worse, getting grounded for a week or two weeks or getting
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00:32:52
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a whooping? Give me the whooping because that's a little bit of pain for a short period of time. This punishment ain't nothing worse than when you can't. I can't watch TV.
00:33:01
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I can't play a video. What am I supposed to do? Do your home can't play with my Christmas gifts. Oh, I remember when dad took away my Christmas gifts one year.
00:33:10
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Side note. My grades came back like gangbusters. they were bad I was back on top after that. Wait a minute. You got your Christmas gifts taken away too? do we did art The same year, you and I both got our Christmas gifts taken away. We got to open them.
00:33:25
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Yeah. But then they got put up in the attic. Well, I still, mom and dad watching this, way it's been it's been well past 30 years. i I knew where the stash was. I went when y'all weren't home and loaded up my signatures and played my game to just put it back.
00:33:42
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So y'all didn't know. but I didn't. I served my sentence. No, wasn't going serve that sentence. That was cruel and unusual punishment. But what did Byron Black do? Because he had a life sentence.
00:33:54
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Yes. What did he do? Well, he was convicted in 1988 for the murders of not just his girlfriend, but also her two daughters. He had been on death row for 25 years. So when I give people that context of what he did, some people are going to respond back, I don't care that he suffer, he should suffer.
00:34:15
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And I'm like, I don't know if I agree with that. Yeah, I think, I think, Here's the thing. It's not really totally about him suffering, but more about our own morality and our own ethics.
00:34:34
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He's still a human being. What he did is horrific. Yes. Absolutely horrific. And he deserved to lose his the the his freedom, his ah his life, essentially. He deserved to lose...
00:34:50
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The being able to be out in the world and do whatever he wanted to do. Yes, I hope he And hope he burns in hell. yeah Yeah, he definitely deserved it.
00:35:01
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ah Whether or not you agree with the death penalty, I mean, that's up for debate. But the fact the matter is that he was still a human being. And if we do things that cause unnecessary pain.
00:35:16
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unnecessary pain. It is a attack on our own spirit, our own morality, our own ethics.
00:35:25
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It's almost not even about him, but it's about the fact that you were willing to do it. And what does it how does that make you different from him?
00:35:38
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oh Because you're on one side of the law and he's not.
00:35:44
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Those three women, that mean, the older woman and her two girls suffered. And that makes him a monster. But you allowing him to suffer doesn't make you a monster.
00:36:03
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Make it make sense. It's something to think about. Yeah. Yeah, make it make sense. So like I said earlier, a lower court said, no, we're just going to deactivate it. and his ICD and just go ahead. We're not gonna stop this execution, but we're gonna deactivate the ICD because it seems like it would cause some issues. And in the Supreme Court overruled them saying that you don't have the authority to do that.
00:36:26
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So what did medical professionals do? Medical professionals in the hospital staff would not participate in deactivating the device, citing ethical concerns about involvement in executions.
00:36:39
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The state maintained turning off the device was not necessary and that Black would be unconscious and not feel pain due to the... Penobarbital. Yeah, see, I wasn't... I was going sound it out, though. I was going to sound it out.
00:36:53
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and The penobarbitalipole. I mean, you said it and then you added extra onto the end. Because, I mean, because I was just going to have trouble with that word, which is the lethal injection drug.
00:37:05
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Now... One of the key points of this is medical professionals saying he's going to be unconscious. He obviously was not. No, the state said that medical professionals and hospital staff wouldn't participate because they didn't want to participate in an, like have anything to do with an execution.
00:37:23
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and that's And that's fair, right? Because they take the Hippocratic Oath. They took the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. And so you what you're asking me to do is di deactivate this device so that you can inflict harm on a person, i.e. put them to death.
00:37:40
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see As a medical professional, I can't do that. and And I understand that. well And I contend that, look, if it's to do no harm, he's going to be put to death anyway.
00:37:53
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yeah By not participating and deactivating the ICD, you are, in fact, doing harm. so ethical That's the thing about ethical dilemmas. There's not always a ah right answer.
00:38:08
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There's just a slightly better choice sometimes. There's now. that's That's kind of the point that we... That we get in. That's why ethical dilemmas are such a problem, right? Because there's not really a clear cut black and white answer.
00:38:24
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But ah again, I want to know who's advising the state because the state is the one that said he would be unconscious. I have, to my knowledge, I have never known that they do knock the person out.
00:38:40
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Well, I've never been to an execution. I've only seen the executions on TV. So I don't know what the actual proceedings are. So I can't speak to if they do or don't.
00:38:51
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But I can tell you for a fact, this is what I do know. He wasn't unconscious because not only did the spiritual advisor say, yeah, he heard.
00:39:02
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He told me he was in pain. Witnesses heard during the execution Black expressing significant pain. His attorneys and advocates condemned the procedure as cruel and imp possibly unprecedented.
00:39:16
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Well, I mean, it was definitely unprecedented in Tennessee. yeah So ah this all got me thinking about something. And it it got me thinking about an amendment. And I know people are willing to throw out amendments now, right? Like the Constitution doesn't matter. They're willing to throw out amendments. But the Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from inflicting penalties that are excessively harsh or inhumane on criminal defendants.
00:39:47
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Now, the death penalty, whether not you agree with it, if it's excessively harsh, Okay. But inhumane? It's inhumane to put somebody to death where it's going to be painful.
00:40:01
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We don't do, what is that, that quartering where they got the horses on both ends? yeah We don't do stuff like we don't we don't ah We don't use the gallows. We don't use guillotines. hang anymore. we don't ha anymore Yeah, that's what i mean. We don't do the firing squad. We don't do any of that. we we don't even did I don't think they use the gas chamber anymore either.
00:40:22
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It's lethal injection. It's drug that is meant to stop your heart pretty quickly to cause your death in a quick and supposedly painless way.
00:40:36
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That is what we do now, right? Because it's no longer the barbaric ways in which we used to put people to death. So the exact text is this, since y'all gonna be like, well I mean, y'all gonna play with words.
00:40:52
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Words are important. Excessive bail should not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. A punishment is considered cruel and unusual if it is grossly disproportionate to the crime.
00:41:08
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Involves torture.
00:41:12
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Torture. Mm-hmm. If you have an ICD that is supposed to send electric shocks to your heart when your heart stops working and you are at the same time taking a drug that is supposed to stop your heart from working, yeah that means that as you are taking a drug that is supposed to be killing you, you got an instrument in your body that's sending in electric shocks to try and make sure that you don't die.
00:41:42
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Right. That seems like torture to me. Yeah. I don't even think we still do the electric chair anymore. I don't think we do that either. No. and And this is what his attorneys were arguing, right? Like this is a device that is supposed to keep his heart from failing or to restart his heart should it fail or something like that. Right.
00:42:02
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So it could possibly call not only just cause him pain, but prolong his death. because it's supposed to be quick and painless.
00:42:14
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It could possibly prolong that in addition to causing him pain. So is that would qualify to me as cruel. And then for the unusual part, well, there's no precedent for this. It is unusual.
00:42:27
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So...
00:42:31
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Yeah. That feels like it meets the standard to me of cruel and unusual punishments. and and And ladies and gentlemen, we are not defending Mr. Black. No. Punishment is deserved. Because you going to kill your girlfriend and her two little girls? Like... Up under the jail where he was. Yeah. Like, yes.
00:42:50
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He absolutely belonged where he was. Yes. But my question is to piggyback off of what my sister brought up, because I thought it was brilliant, is that are you better...
00:43:04
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Are you a better person morally if you are not upset, appalled that he died in this manner?
00:43:14
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If you look at it and you say eye for an eye, are you any better than him? Yeah, because what's that last line of you? You didn't finish reading after torture. But there's an there's a or and it's the last standard.
00:43:31
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Oh, okay. Or is rejected by evolving standards of decency in society. Right. So cruel and unusual punishment, yeah, it it can't be disproportionate to the crime. It can involve torture or barbarity.
00:43:47
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And it also can't be something that society, decent society, would reject. Right. but are we decent is the question. That's the question. That's why this is an ethical dilemma, right?
00:44:03
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the And that's why I said earlier that it a large part of it is about our own morals, our own sense of decency and our own ethics.
00:44:15
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And there was no harm whatsoever in deactivating the advice. it did advice If you couldn't find medical professionals or hospital staff who would participate, keep looking.
00:44:27
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Keep looking. There is someone out there who administered the drug. That had to be a medical professional who administered the peanut bar, peanut bar, peanut bar, in the first place.
00:44:40
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um I'm glad you know how to say words. Well, cause I can't say peanut bar, tall at all. Could that medical professional not have deactivated the device? the You got to keep looking until you find somebody who was willing to do it.
00:44:54
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They didn't think he was worth it. That's basically what it comes down to. Exactly. there And so it also is, does your definition of humanity, ah you know, encompass all humans? Yeah.
00:45:09
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Or does he become, I mean, I know I ah refer, I think I referred to him as a, what did I call him? I didn't call him an animal, but I might've called him something just now. Yeah. You don't typically call people animal. You ain't call him an animal. I called him something, but I also said that he was still a human being. Yeah.
00:45:30
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Regardless, he was still a human being. And what how we treat him says more about us than it does about him. That was my, that's my only point.
00:45:41
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Message.
00:45:45
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Jay, I'm just going to roughly touch this. i'm just going to roughly touch what Gilbert Arenas is going in, because I think it leads to a larger question, a larger discussion of what I really want to do. So former NBA star Gilbert Arenas was arrested in late July 2025, along with five co-conspirator, co-defendants for allegedly operating an illegal high stakes poker ring out of a mansion he rented in Encino, California.
00:46:16
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He was charged with one count of conspiracy to operate illegal gambler business gambling business, one count of operating an illegal gamb but gambling business. Oh, one count of conspiracy to operate an illegal gambling business.
00:46:29
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One count of operating an illegal gambling business, which I feel like they're the same thing. And one count- No, one is he could have been doing it by himself. The other one, he's working in concert with people to do it. Okay. ah but Even if he's operating it?
00:46:44
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Okay. I guess so. I mean, he still has to have people working with him. So wouldn't that still be a conspiracy? employing people and then and conspiring with people are two different things. You're right.
00:46:56
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Words matter. And one count of making false statements to federal investigators. Now, that's a big one. Yes. All the other ones is is tough, but that's a big one. So they least they the authorities alleged the operation ran from September 2021 to July 2022 and was linked to suspected Israeli organized crime figure who along with Arenas and others allegedly collected a rake for each poker pot and hired staff, including young women for service and companionship, chefs, ballets, and armed security ah for these exclusive gangs. Prosecutors presented as evidence a poker table featuring Arenas' name and emirates.
00:47:37
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Arenas entered a plea of not guilty and was leased on a $50,000 bond. Now, when he was released, o You know, he's got a podcast. He's got several shows.
00:47:49
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Yeah. he If anybody has ever seen Gilbert Arenas, he's a clown in every sense of the word. Yeah, mean he's a clown. he he he plays around too much.
00:47:59
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For those people that don't know the backstory, he was playing for the Washington Wizards. he and another teammate got into a disagreement that was over gambling, if I remember correctly, and they brought guns to the locker room. He was suspended from the NBA and and all types of stuff.
00:48:15
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He's consistently been an idiot. Yes. This isn't what I want to talk about, him being an idiot. What I want to talk about is him saying, that he was going to be cleared of all the charges, that all he did was it was his house and that he was renting and he was allowing somebody else to rent it from him.
00:48:34
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And that when the truth comes out, he'll be exonerated, which can all possibly be true. And use his likeness on the tables? Well, he prop it was probably his house.
00:48:45
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but maybe Look, that's crazy. I don't know how he's going to get out of this. But he then says, and it don't matter because if they had anything else on me, I'm snitching. I'm telling on everybody. I'm not going to jail.
00:48:59
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I'm going to say everything that I got to say. And, you know, some people on social media was dragging them. Some people on social media were saying, yeah, I guess that makes sense. And snitching has become a thing.
00:49:10
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Sammy the Bull has a podcast. He's a legendary mobster snitch. Michael Francis, as much as he tries to say he's not snitching, he is snitching. He's telling stories from back in the day. That's snitching.
00:49:21
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OK, you have so many people who were cooperators and in the mafia or drug dealing or just anything illegal got podcast. Everybody is telling. yeah What is telling and snitching ain't the same as what it used to be.
00:49:36
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Also, people don't understand what snitching is. Because I remember one time, Cameron and Damon Dash was on the Bill O'Reilly show. twenty 20, 25 years ago, which by the way, they should have never been on the show.
00:49:49
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Yeah, I don't, that, and those words together didn't make no no damn sense to me. Yeah. And Bill O'Reilly talked about snitching. Not a fan of Bill O'Reilly, but this is good journalism because he boxed two idiots into a corner.
00:50:05
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And they said, so you guys would never snitch? And they were like, nope. this And Bill O'Reilly said, well what about if there's a child molester in the building Would y'all snitch then? Nope.
00:50:16
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It was like, that's not the code of the streets. That's not not snitching. yeah You, when it's harmful to your community with something like a child molester, you absolutely call the po-po and you tell.
00:50:30
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Snitching is when you got caught up in some mess. Yeah. And you tell to get out of trouble. That's snitching. if you witness are you Or you actively go to authorities to get somebody hemmed up for your own petty reasons.
00:50:49
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That's snitching. That too. Yes. But you being a witness to a crime... Is not snitching. snitching. Yeah. ah Well, it is. if you know you know If you know people, if you know them, know them, like if they're your people and you tell on them, man, that's not too cool.
00:51:08
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But if they're complete strangers, if you see somebody in broad daylight get shot, you might not want to be a witness. But taking the witness stand, if you're compelled, is not snitching.
00:51:20
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and And people have this idea of you don't talk at all. No, you don't talk at all. you don't If you're an active criminal, there is no reason for you to be talking to the police.
00:51:30
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I get that. yeah But you ain't an active criminal. Yeah. Snitching, according to the Urban Dictionary. um Okay. Snitching is when you tell on someone to get yourself out of trouble.
00:51:43
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Right. that's what That is what you do. That is snitching. If you're telling on somebody else to get yourself out of trouble. But here's the thing about snitching. The idea of snitching is not a new one.
00:51:55
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But law enforcement and police tactics and crime scene a crime investigation is new. It's a new, it's much back then.
00:52:05
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The only way they could solve a crime nine times out of 10 was with a confession or with somebody telling, right. Because we didn't have forensics. We didn't have, there wasn't no CSI.
00:52:17
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It wasn't all that stuff. Now they don't need you to say a damn thing because I got your DNA, your fingerprints. I tracked your cell phone and I know that you were in the vicinity because you was pinging off the towers and I pulled your Facebook DMs and saw you talking about it. Oh, you don't have a gun. Why is there a picture of you on Instagram?
00:52:38
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ah people Like, ah you know, they got they got you like they don't need you to tell. They don't the the honestly the telling is the icing on the cake, but they don't need you to tell now. So y'all sitting in there. I watch a lot of first 48 reason. I'm about to call you yeah Miss first 48.
00:52:55
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ah yes Yeah. Y'all sitting in there looking dumb because they got you this video everywhere now. Everywhere. Stop doing crimes at the quick trip because quick trip got 4k video of all y'all stop it.
00:53:09
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Like it's not snitching no more. Now it's just, you might as well own up to it.
00:53:15
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You was involved. Tell me everybody who was there. Well, see, here's the thing. I've always maintained that if I ever did something illegal with a group of people and I was the one that got caught, I got to eat that.
00:53:29
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Like, I'm not telling because I was the one that got caught. I'm not telling. But if I'm about to go down for something that I didn't do and I know who did it, I'm talking.
00:53:40
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Yeah. this Here's the thing about me. I'm not catching no accessory after the fact charge. Nope. Nope. I'm not catching that charge. Because that, I could i could end up 10 years doing a dime for accessory after the fact because I didn't want to say nothing.
00:53:56
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Yeah. Nah. and that's And yes, that's me telling to save myself. You absolutely right. Because I ain't had nothing to do with this and I'm not going down. Jonna?
00:54:07
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but Why you move the mic closer? Because I need everybody to hear this. Ain't going down.
00:54:15
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For no pipe. ah If I didn't give birth to you, I ain't going down. Well, hold on. There is two people that I would go down for. Mm-hmm.
00:54:27
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It's mom and one of our aunts. And there's now is it's the aunt that we all love that's just the sweetest aunt that only... It would never put you in that position. But I'm saying, if I had to, like if it was a situation where I was, it's two people. You, um you know I love you to death.
00:54:46
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You my homie. I'm not going to jail for you. ah Now... If I felt like I could get you out of the country or something like that... Yeah, you yeah, you yeah. We would help in Yeah, if I felt like I could help you run, you know, where they could come to me, are you harboring him? Nah, he ain't here. I don't know where he's at.
00:55:04
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Like, that that I would do, right? Right. But other than that, but I am smart enough not to have anything connecting the two of us where can be like, oh, you knew about an accessory, right?
00:55:17
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My thing is, we not talking on the phone. Right. We're not sending no text messages. There's no paper trail that you and I and that had anything to do with the fact that they can't find you now.
00:55:28
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Right. No, I disappear. Yeah. um good but But no, i'm not I'm not doing no time for somebody else. No. We just talked about it last segment. I am not going make it in jail. We've talked about a lot in this podcast.
00:55:43
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The reasons why I wouldn't make it in jail. Prime example, bathroom, right? Yeah. Like, what if I'm in the yard and I got to use the bathroom and I can't run back to my cell? If you in the yard, the bathroom is out and open in front of everybody. I can't I can't do that.
00:55:57
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I don't know that that's true. I don't know that you just go to the bathroom in the yard. i don't think that so there's a there's a toilet and stuff like there's a bathroom. and Well, she think they if they in the yard. You don't ask the guard to take you to the bathroom. I don't know these things. I ain't never. I don't know. I don't know because I don't have nothing to do with it. don't have nothing to do with it either. This is what I will say for Gilbert Arenas, whether he's a part of this or not a part of this.
00:56:21
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Yeah, he right. Go ahead and snitch. Man, you are a multimillionaire. First of all, if you did do it, God, you're an idiot. Like, yeah you don't need the money. And you live in l L.A. Vegas ain't that far.
00:56:35
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Like, just... I don't understand. Go to Vegas. Vegas was right there. I don't understand. Also, you don't need to do this. I mean, the allure, like Jay-Z said it best, the allure of breaking the law.
00:56:49
Speaker
So much too much for me to ever ignore. I got a thing for the big body bensis. It dulls my senses. Like, the allure of... Yeah, I'm in love with a V-dub engine, but I'm also high on life.
00:57:01
Speaker
Eff it, I'm wasted. Ladies and gentlemen, go listen to Allure. It's literally my favorite Jay-Z song. It is amazing. I just don't understand. Listen, guys, when y'all get on and y'all get rich and all this, just sit down somewhere.
00:57:16
Speaker
You don't have to do illegal things. You don't have to do that no more. And if there are people in your camp that is like, hey, man, we can just we do this.
00:57:28
Speaker
They don't belong to your camp no more. we too We rich now. We don't have to do, we don't no. We don't have to do no dog fights, no gambling rings, no none of it. We have to do none of this.
00:57:43
Speaker
any longer, we're rich. You know what 50 Cent did one time with BMF, right? Like 50 Cent was popping when BMF was like a still like a drug dealing organization.
00:57:54
Speaker
And so he was like, yeah, I met them and stuff like that, but like I was popping. And because of my old life, that would have been too enticing for me to go ahead and get a couple of bricks and move them. So I stayed away from them because I'm like, I'm doing good now.
00:58:09
Speaker
I don't yeah need to do that. But it would have been. yeah There is something. There is something about being bad. That's that's that draws people like yeah bad stuff. ah Hold on.
00:58:21
Speaker
Let me rephrase that. I don't do bad stuff all the time. Yeah. But i and I mean, like a little innocuous things. You cheat on your diet. You know, that's that's it you should do little if you want to do the little bastard. black I'm not supposed to have this.
00:58:38
Speaker
Yeah, because my anxiety, you know, my anxiety is too much. Yeah, not crimes. I can't. No, because i once again, I'm not going to jail. And if I do a little petty crime and they're like, we're going to give you 30 days. I'm not even going to do that.
00:58:51
Speaker
No, I need a proper bathroom. I could do 30 days. as I don't want to. I absolutely don't want to. they give you flip-flops for the shower? i get ca i don't know I get cabin fever on a luxury cruise ship. What you think it's going to be like for me in jail or prison?
00:59:11
Speaker
Nah, yeah. It's the idea that I can't get off the boat. That's what messes with my head. Like when we're at sea and everybody's like, but the boat's so big, there's so much to do. But I can't get out if I want to get out. why You can never live on an island then.
00:59:27
Speaker
No, because I can get out. I can get on a plane. i can get on a boat. can get out. ah When I want to. Sort of, kind of. If you want a ship in the middle of... so That's why I always, when I would plan the cruises, there was all we were at port every day.
00:59:43
Speaker
Because i have to get off the boat. I have to be able to get off the boat. What do you mean can't get off the boat? The days of sea is my favorite days. Because I ain't got to get off the i ain't got get off the ship. I have to do no excursions. Because I like getting up in the morning and doing excursions anyway. And you know what else I really don't like doing?
01:00:02
Speaker
thinking about having to go to prison and that's the reason I would snitch no um I tell all the people there that that are in my orbit I'm like hey man if you do something wrong Don't think I'm hold water for you because as soon as they put me in the box, I'm going get me a two piece and tell all.
01:00:19
Speaker
Yeah. You're going need two tapes. gone and Go on and hit record. Well, here's the thing. It's like you said earlier. If I'm in conspiracy with somebody, like if I'm guilty and I'm going down anyway, I probably will not give up my co-conspirators because I'm already good i'm like i'm already going to like i did it.
01:00:39
Speaker
I got caught and I'm going down for it. I'm not going to give up my co-conspirators for what? For a few years less maybe, but it's still going to be a long time. I'm still probably going to life. What if you were facing 25 years and they said they was going to cut it down to five?
01:00:58
Speaker
Mm. Yeah, and that changed everything, don't it? Also, there's a couple people that snitched to get revenge. Sammy the Bull snitched on John Gotti because John Gotti was talking ill about him on them tapes. It was John Gotti was the reason why they got arrested.
01:01:16
Speaker
And also John Gotti was thinking about killing him. So Sammy was like, no, I'm going to tell. Um, Nicky Barnes. Mm-hmm. Initially told because the people out there stopped sending him the money,
01:01:30
Speaker
right, wasn't taking care of his family, matter of fact, was having sex with his wife and was talking bad about him. So he was like, oh, no, no, no, no. I'm in here holding water. Y'all supposed be holding me down and you not.
01:01:42
Speaker
I'm telling. Now, those situations, I understand. But that don't mean that when you make an agreement with the government that you got to start telling about everything and just get back at the people that you need to get back at and yeah leave it it alone.
01:01:56
Speaker
Yeah. I don't mind getting even. Yeah. but Yeah. I don't know if it. don't know. I got to take case by case. and Hopefully this is never a situation that I'm ever involved in. That's that's my only I hope I'm never, ever involved in the situation like this.
01:02:14
Speaker
I don't know nobody that would ever put me in this position. Thank God. So like. ah hopefully this is never a bridge I have to cross, but it it will ah will I tell?
01:02:26
Speaker
It depends. ah Well, will I tell? Only two people will stop me from not.
01:02:35
Speaker
That's pretty much it. yeah Most of the time, I'm going to talk. Jay, what do you want leave people with? I feel good about the kind of points I brought up today. You made a lot of good points. Yeah, I feel a lot of good points about that. Just think about your response to certain things, especially when other people, and this is not just related to Mr. Byron Black, but just to anybody in general in any situation when you see something cruel happening,
01:03:09
Speaker
and your initial response isn't discussed regardless of who the person is, but but because of who the person is, your response is not discussed, like that you need to start interrogating.
01:03:22
Speaker
Like if you see police brutality, but it's against black folks who you don't care, that you need to start interrogating. if you see If you see ah people not caring about making buildings accessible for the disabled, if you see women being overlooked in the workplace for promotions, if you see if you see these things and you're like, it's way it is, you you need you have to start questioning your own morality and your own sense of ethics.
01:03:56
Speaker
because there's lot of Christians out here that call them fake Christians because they they don't question their own morality and ethics. either They want to question everybody else. But on that note. People on glass houses.
01:04:09
Speaker
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