Introduction to 'What Makes You Tick?' with Jack Henry
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Hello and welcome to What Makes You Tick, a conversation podcast where Ryan Watson, talk to North East artists, that's actors, writers, directors, filmmakers, or anything else that piques my curiosity about what they do, how they make it work, and the media that inspires them to do that work.
Jack's Acting Career and The Actors Forge
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Today, i have Jack Henry. Jack is an actor, a writer, Sometimes he's a dancer and a singer. He's been in films such as With It Old, A Malevolent World, which we've both been in. He also does his own post-apocalyptic YouTube series called My New Life. On the YouTube ah ah youtube youtube channel, That Much I'll End. And you've written two novellas, and you're also going to be scaring people in The Psychopath.
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And, of course, we both do The Actors Forge. And we've both been in for just over a year. It was last July we started. Yeah, was July 14th, I think. So, yeah, thank you for being on my show. Have missed anything? have Have you been in anything else that I've missed?
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It wasn't extra, but that's not really worth noting. That counts. What were you an extra in? A film called Night and Timothy Spall and Jennifer Saunders. It counts if Timothy Spall and Jennifer Saunders are in it.
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So this is the first recorded episode of my show. I'm going to talk to a lot of people from the Actors Forge, so I'm hoping to have Dan as my first actual episode, because I feel like he'll give a lot of them a lot of context about the Actors Forge. But thank you for but being on. I think I'm quite glad to talk to you first, really, because I feel like we started we started the Forge at the same time. Yeah, same day. We did that boxing scene where I think we were... I still got the notes on my phone.
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Oh, have you? Yeah. did we have We had a line each, didn't we? That we had to work into it oh yeah. I remember the first exercise we did, well given a sort of famous quote or line from a film, when I say it three different ways, didn't we?
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Yeah. And then... It seemed like had somehow fit all, both the lines in. Can you remember what yours was? I think my line was, I'm mad as hell, I'm not going to take it anymore. Oh yeah, and I think mine were a, something about dropping a, not dress size, a sickness bug making me weight or something.
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I think, like I said, I'm glad to talk to you because I feel like you've come a very long way since then. have you. Like, I legit sort see you do your acting and I'm like, Jack, Jack seems like he's actually fearless now.
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So, my first question is, do you feel do you feel fearless? Because sometimes I'm just like, Jack can do anything. Nah. so but Obviously, I'm a lot more relaxed now. feel more relaxed when I'm acting. I act as Forge. like Yesterday, I had a rehearsal for Psychopath Scare Acting, and now is just I sort of reverted back to sort of...
Jack's Writing and Early Interests
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self. I feel like you're really good at just kind of pushing pushing past that. I think that's why ah i ah joked about your singing and your dancing, but I think that's something that always really impressed me where you were you seemed like you really wanted to push yourself past that comfort zone.
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Yeah. I don't do dancing anymore, though. Yeah, I think that's what I mean. I sort joked about it, but but um I think it's like the fact that you've always like really tried to do all those things. The the thing I wanted to matt you know when we were doing Malevolent World? You and Balder, I think, were doing a scene and none of us could see you. There were trees. There were trees in the way.
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But we could hear you, and it was like the most amazing thing ever, and everyone just burst out into applause, even though you were in the next. scene Like, we couldn't even see you. So I guess we'll go back to the start. Before the Actors Forge, did you have any kind of performance experience? So you never did any kind of drama at school or anything like that. So what brought you to to doing in the Actors Forge? Basically, I was writing my first novella, and at the time I didn't want to tell anyone that I was writing one until it was done. People asking me why I wasn't doing anything, because I was quite busy.
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I couldn't tell people what I was doing, obviously. So I kept on guessing as to what I was doing, and one of the guesses was acting class. I said, no, that sounds interesting. So that's when I joined up. It's literally as simple as that. like You'd not considered but doing anything like this before or anything.
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It's amazing. and Like, had you never, when you were younger or anything like that, had you never been like, maybe I'll be an actor one day? No, I don't think so. Had you ever done any writing before your novella? ah Yeah, I used to write quite a bit when I was sort like 14, 15.
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Never finished a project though until the novella I wrote, Dead Planet. So you did the writing in when you were a lot younger. were it like ah Did it kind of fall away and you decided to come back with Dead Planet? or Sort of off and on type of interest.
Embracing Acting and Unconventional Roles
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That's how I've sort of always been.
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I'm moving from one thing to another. like i I used to sort of play a guitar a little bit and write in lot of sports, things like that. And so a Dead Planet, did you just kind of sit and think this is a project you're going finish? No, sit down and complete Okay. And you've ended up doing, is it two of those you've done now?
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ah Yeah. So you've definitely managed to so complete complete something. Yeah. So yeah, so then because of that, because of you keeping secrets from people, then you ended up doing the Actors Forge.
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So I kind of, I was quite curious about like sort of what your first term there were like, because obviously, as I say, I feel like it's amazing like how far you've come, but I... I sort of remember you saying a lot around that time, especially towards the end of that first term, about how you genuinely enjoyed it, not just tried to to get through it or something. Yeah, I remember I put that in the group chat.
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like Before that, wanted to fight. wanted to Thai boxing and have a fight. But it's like every Saturday i used to wake up, that was sparring day. And then I just sort of remember saying, just get this over, let's stay over with. Whereas when it comes to the Actors Forge, I genuinely you've enjoyed the process and things like that. Ah, okay. So it's you've been into the boxing and an kind of just doing it almost out of a habit.
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Yeah. During that first term of the Actors Forge, were you expecting that you'd be coming back? Yeah, wasn't really sure. I think also the Actors Forge, it's the people there as well. I didn't really have many too too many friends.
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I wasn't really a talker of things like that. Yeah, I think i've I've definitely found something quite similar where... i don't know about you, but I find that I've learned this like a amazing lesson from it where it's like I've always been a bit scared pushing... It's almost like I'd rather be safer not talk to anyone than risk someone being like what's he on about do you know what mean and and i feel like what's really good with the forges the whole time you're kind of pushing against that that's the whole trick with it really isn't it yeah so then you're where after the first term you started doing twice so yeah what was that like did that sort of help push you towards
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think so, because obviously I'm exposed to it twice a week now. ah definitely sort of lowered me, yeah, not sure what the word is. Basically it made us more outgoing. remember there was a scene where Dan made one you meet one of the the women in the class pretend to have a shit. there I remember thinking and like I wouldn't be able to do that, but now I would. yeah Yeah.
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That's such a good, um ah important moment. Are there any things you've done in scenes like that? that Any examples that you have done um that you might have thought you wouldn't have been able to do in the past?
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Probably but scene that I did last term from The Fifth Element. and was supposed be playing Gary Oldman's character. But the twist that I added on the end is that I was sort of turned on by destruction and death and things like that. And the scene where he chokes on the the cherry, when I did it, I pretended to sort of enjoy it almost. That sometimes can be Dan's feedback, is a pretend joke. Pretend you turned on or pretend you want to have sex with this person.
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But no, that was that was one that I was thinking because, yeah, it was. I just remember you sort of went from sort playing it relatively straight to even the way you stood. Have you got any, like, favourite scenes that you've done?
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On a Wednesday class, I did scene from Big Lebowski. There was a scene ah where Walter shouts all over the line and I played Walter. Is that where wa took the belt off? Yeah, where I took the belt off. Rather than get the gun out and point to the person playing Smokey, I'd say I'd take my belt off and threaten him with it. I don't think I would do in the Wednesday class then. You were better class, weren't you? Yeah, but I came in for that one session and before I went you were like, I'm getting the belt.
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Is that part of the actual scene or is that something you just... In the scene he pulls out the gun. Oh, okay, right. That, yeah, that makes sense. But yeah, I think, I don't know, like I say, I feel like you're just always very good at doing these creative choices that really add a lot.
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You sort of got into doing two classes and then somewhere along the way you started auditioning for basically every everything that got sent out. Yeah, anything that gets sent out, I'll audition for basically.
Acting Opportunities and Development
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Can just tell us a bit about...
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A bit about the process of like pushing yourself to that next step? In terms of like applying for auditions, things like that. I suppose I just obviously up send the audition. You send the audition out and you get sent a script.
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I thought I'd may as well just try my best at it. I think Out With It All was the first one that i applied for and I got it. Then the next short film I did was about four or five months later. because Dan will send out things that you can audition for and stuff and it took me ages to even be like almost like consider this applies to me like I could be someone who applied for that like did you ever have any feeling like that? I think just quite early I thought you may as well give it a shot Filming out of the old that's sort of the first thing you'd done outside of the forge How was that? It was a good experience. ah It was in Hartlepool.
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I decided to stay in a hotel just rather than travel back and all that. I think in hindsight, should have just got the train back and got train back over at Hartlepool in the morning. But it was a good experience.
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ah from Everyone was brilliant on set. And the person I was starring opposite, Jed Purvis, brilliant actor, quite well known in Feast as well. What was the role in the film? I was supposed to be like an up-and-coming actor, and Jed's character was this person who used to be a big star, but now he's bit over a hill.
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and think my character wo and sort of inspires him to keep on trying. Someone relatively well-known, such as Jed Purvis, and then you're in your position. Seems like quite ah quite a fitting role, do you think?
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Well, I'm not sure if I'm up and coming. Oh, you're definitely up and coming, Jack. You're definitely up and coming. You're going to be... you're gonna be a Your name's going to be in lights one day. Jed's definitely not over the hill, though. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah. I guess like where do you see yourself in terms of the types of roles you're suited to, either in terms of things you might audition for or in terms of scenes at the Forge? Because I think something I think is really interesting with you is sometimes I feel like you play...
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Like a gangster, you're visually suited to that. yeah In some ways, I've occasionally told you you look like Arthur from Peaky Blinders. Yeah, I get that. but but But then also, I think what's really interesting is as well is that you you seem to do a lot of sci-fi and just some like proper out there stuff as well. And I think that's like really interesting about about what you do because think a lot of people kind of stay away from that stuff, especially in the Actors Forge where you don't necessarily have time to establish the context. So I guess, back to the question, um how...
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Where do you see yourself in terms of the types of roles and scenes you're suited for? I get told a lot that suit a sort of period drama sort of thing, like early things like that.
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That's when Night and Day was set. Obviously, we didn't have to put any fake moustache or fake VR on this, because I've already got one. was a bit awkward when they asked us to take it off, but Yeah, ah like I said, I'll apply for anything basically.
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But in terms of, like I said, in terms of roles I'm suited for, definitely period period drama, maybe gangster sort of stuff. Dan does this thing, I think, sort of hot seat thing where someone sits in a chair and people shout out roles that they could play.
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And one of the roles that i got was a ah Russian oligarch. Is that something you feel like you could but you could do If I learn the accent, I suppose. Can you? Do you think you know any of the accent? you think you can do a preview? No. No, now is not the time. no it's not the time.
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but or I get Nazi a lot as well. People actually say that. know you've done... I'm doing the jailhunter scene from for my Inglorious Bastards in a couple of weeks on Wednesday. Is that something you've looked at because people have said that to you?
Improvisation and Character Exploration
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Dan also said that I'm suited for it in the way that I act because last term I played Homelander and the sort of stillness and eye contact, he said that he really wanted to sort of drive that role.
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Okay, so it's not just... also said I look like a Nazi. That's mean. enough I feel like I won't say that. Like I said, I kind of you were telling us that you were doing the ah Inglorious Bastards scene and I think I was just like, yeah, this just this just seems like something you do really well at because it's just I don't know. It's that thing. Like I say, i guess what I was saying about you seeming fearless, like it it seems to really fit with that approach.
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Did you do Hannibal Lecter? Oh yeah, it was from Manhunter. Yeah, the Brian Cox. Yeah, Brian Cox version. think that was quite a good good example of you seeming really still and kind of terrifying. Obviously, the scene that we did from air Torchwood with 4-5-6.
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Yeah, I think that's why we're getting at with the sci-fi stuff as well. I think that's one where it's like, I don't think anyone else would have even thought to play 456 because it's... Yeah, the three-headed alien. Alien that's disgusting looking that they can't properly even show it. That's what I mean. This is what I mean about you seeming fearless. You do all these amazing things.
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A malevolent world, I feel like, you know, I'm talking to a few people who's worked on that. i feel like that's going to come up quite a bit. Yeah, I think half the people from the forge are in this. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's it. I'm ah doing a podcast where I'm messaging everyone from the forge and everyone who were in that film to talk to me. So I feel like it's like a drinking game. It's like anytime, if somebody actually listens to to whole podcast um and they're going to be smashed.
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they going to be sma But can you tell us a bit about the character you're playing? And then I'll ask the thing I'm going to ask. So the character that I auditioned for was called Moses. And all that was put on the sort of character sheet was he's insane, he's bitter, and he's power hungry.
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He's also supposed to alter the infected in order to create basically a smarter variant. Yeah, so in the film, he's messing around with Baldur's character, who... Ricky. Yeah, Ricky, who is pretty much pretty much the main character of the film, and he's already infected, but you're messing with him?
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Yeah, not sure how he gets infected. First of all, you had this really sort of... Well, I mentioned it before, this sort of really big big performance that we could... Like I said, I... I'm sure it'll be even better viewing it, but it was sort of like we got an amazing performance even just hearing Yeah.
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I mean, Balder got it point blank. He couldn't cover ears or anything. Obviously with the A world as well, that's scripted, but also kind of improvised.
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Obviously we had some stuff prepared, but a lot of it was just sort of improv, how feel on the moment sort of thing. Yeah, so scenes were outlined, but specifics were improvised. So you obviously played quite a big role in and actually developing the character as well.
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And you also learnt to suture, to sew wounds. Unfortunately, I didn't couldn't use it in the film. Oh, it didn't get used. Nah. Okay.
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It was a good experience to learn how to so do such as and things like that, hold the scalpel properly and all that. So what else went into and into developing the character then? Obviously, since ah so but when I saw that he was all as infected, had this idea for him obviously some sort of surgeon or neurosurgeon.
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That's what basically what I wore on the audition tape. I decided to shout Bible quotes. I wanted to something like called Dano, I think he's called from There Will Be Blood, sort of his type character from There Will Be Blood where he screams and preaches.
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That big scene where I'm screaming and things like that, those Bible quotes I've just sort of stitched together. That wasn't really improv, I had those Bible quotes written down and
Balancing Acting with University Life
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I learnt them. I feel like we've all been calling it improv, but I feel like we've all also been doing a lot of planning for actually going to say. So that's interesting. So the the sort of idea for the Bible quotes came from Paul Dano in There Will Be Blood.
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Did you pick the Bible quotes yourself? Yeah, well, I typed in the chat GPT Bible quotes which they've got to do with resurrection and destruction.
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Because obviously I'm supposed to create a new variant of infected, so I thought that'll be something we do with resurrection and rising. Do you feel happy with how it went? I like the shouting part, things like that, but I tried going for a sort of monotone voice when was just speaking normally.
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I'm not sure it really come out very good, unfortunately. sure actually came out amazing. The next part is, I kind of just wanted to ask a few questions about how you fit acting and other sort of creative things alongside your other sort of commitments. Basically, I was at university only twice a week, so I could easily fit acting class in.
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that I did have to miss a couple of lectures ah to film things. like Out of the old, I missed Dave Eyre. Right, okay. but So it was relatively easy to fit in alongside other things. And then, now you've finished uni, I guess. So I've graduated. I went to meet graduation ceremony.
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I've also got resits. I'm not sure how it works. Graduated, but I haven't graduated at the same time. But I guess how do you see acting going forward now you've finished uni? Are you aiming to find a job related to uni and do acting on the side? Is acting something you want to really make your main thing? I would like to make...
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acting my main job but before that then outside acting class my projects will have to be sort of relegated to weekends once I start working full-time with my degrees in mechanical engineering I'll obviously try and get a job in that sector I would eventually like to make a transition over acting full-time and I guess things like this the psychopath that that's on a Friday Saturday and Sunday starts late September finishes on 1st of November do you have a full-time job lined up? nah Right, it's kind of if you do get some kind of full-time job, it still should fit nicely. But also, it's a good thing to be doing until then.
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I guess, can you tell us a bit more about the psychopath as well? We've not really we've not really talked so about it. Well, it's just Skerak. And basically, I haven't been given me character yet. We'll be given characters, and then there might certain lines which they'll want what to say and things like that. Different mazes. I can't go into too much detail yet, I don't think. I'm not sure what maze I'll be in. Are you looking forward to the moment when a you jump out on someone and they scream?
00:18:22
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Yeah, I enjoy scaring my mum all the time. Okay, so you've had practice. We're going talk about Baki in a minute. Yeah, Baki the Rapper. But first, just a little bit about your YouTube series. How many episodes do you have now? Is it six?
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Six. So, the world's ended. and This is my new life. ah Has the world ended? has The world seems to have ended. Yeah, we'll see. Why don't you describe it?
YouTube Series and Creative Inspirations
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Basically, so my new life is based it's basically a comedy horror in sort of like kind of mockumentary way. Basically, a character that play survived the nuclear holocaust, but he's sort of blogging.
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that he's recording himself, talking on camera and things like that. I'm getting too much spoilers. Not everything's dead, basically. Because you've made all sorts of costumes and everything for this, haven't Yeah, I had to change the first costume I wore. was too clunky, took too long to get on and take off, and it was really hot. So the second one, the newer one's more practical. Yeah, definitely. More comfortable to wear. Sometimes in the first couple of episodes, you can hear us sort go like...
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like that's not me acting i just genuinely can't breathe ah okay you know this is commitment jack this is commitment you've learned to saw and you stopped breathing yeah where did you sort of learn to make the costume you just went for it or is there something you followed for the costume you i just sort of well i sort of went for what would sort of look cool obviously i don't think it's really practical Obviously it's not a real gas mask.
00:19:54
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that's for I wanted to do something that just would look sort of cool, also scary at the same time. I've got a sort of fascination with like so costumes. I like the World War I type aesthetic. Obviously but it's not World War I type, but that sort of military cause costume. Do you feel like it'll in anywhere help you when the apocalypse comes in the real world? Nah, the tubes don't go anywhere, they just go into a backpack. okay Right. Damn. It doesn't form a seal or anything. Just the last little phil last little section. I'm asking people just about, I guess, the sort of the things that and inspire um sort of a either it can be like a formative piece of media. it can be a favorite. um And you told me.
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28 Days Later is your favourite film, but you want to talk about Baki the Grappler. Yeah, Baki the Grappler. So, I've watched far less Baki the Grappler than I intended, but I've started watching I've started watching it. It seems like a lot of fun. I loved the opening, because he's just like, I want to fight 100 dudes, and then he's disappointed himself because he only beat 37.
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and So I guess, very briefly, what is Baki the Grappler about? Basically, Baki is the son of the strongest creature on Earth. he ah He's called the strongest creature on Earth because he's beat animals with his bare hands.
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He kills a polar bear his bare hands. Things like that. he's the strongest creature on Earth. And Baki was basically born to give him a good fight. His dad's the favourite character pretty much in all of fiction. In all of fiction. Okay. What is your relationship to reading or watching of us?
00:21:19
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I first watched it when I was about 17 and for some reason sort of became obsessed with it because I obviously used to love training a martial arts back then it's been about 5 years since I did Jiu Jitsu but did Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for about a year did MMA and obviously as I said before acting I was doing Thai boxing and all that I think it's just sort of inspired us to train harder there was a character which I really liked and even in sparring I sort of I tried to imitate his style a little bit it didn't go too well the character's called Hanayama sort of tried to be a bit like him but like I said didn't go too well you know that I need to know more about how did it not go too well basically his style of fighting and he doesn't really block he just sort of takes it and also it winds up a punch and throws it remember I remember took an uppercut and nearly turned us into a giraffe so it's very don't try this at all I think that's the feeling you get from watching a good shonen anime would Baki come on the shonen I'm not really sure no I played a Dragon Balls e-game a few years ago And then I ended up taking a karate class for a year. of people sort of are inspired by Goku and Vegeta things like that. Although I've kind of kind of moved past that stage. Now just go to the gym. That's my ah my fitness now.
00:22:28
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Because something with Baki the Grappler. It's a little bit confusing what to watch. a Yeah, basically, if you the one that's on Netflix, thats it says season one on Netflix, but that's actually season three. The real sort of season one and two came out in 2001. You can get on YouTube for free, basically. But it's actually, the Netflix one's actually a continuation. It's not like a... Yeah, no, Netflix one starts off immediately after season two ends of a YouTube series. Because I guess it's... I've been watching Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and that actually is a re remake...
00:22:58
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You're not supposed to watch... I mean, you can watch, but you know so it's not like you have to watch the original version before this one. So it's a different situation to that. I mean, you don't need to watch the season one, season two of Baki.
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ah So, I mean, Netflix does a pretty good job at getting you up to speed of the characters and the things like that. But obviously watching season one two, you will get more an in-depth understanding of the
Influences and Social Media Presence
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characters. And...
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Are there any particular highlights highlights of the show that either mean a lot to you or are just particularly exciting? From theni series the series, one of my favourite fights is Yujiro versus Kaku Kyle, where he sort of does his thing where he punches the ground and the ground shatters and the music comes on.
00:23:39
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It's like sort of final boss music. think that's a really cool moment. and Yeah. Yeah, Baki's got a brilliant soundtrack. And manga or anime? I'm up to date with the recent manga, which is called Baki Rahen. Oh, so there's multiple there's multiple manga as well. Yeah, there's the Baki the Grappler, there's Baki Do, there's Baki Son of Ogre, and Baki Rahen. Okay, and what are they sort of spin-offs or continuations? or air Continuations. It's bit like Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, Dragon Ball GT.
00:24:10
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Okay, do you have a ah preference between the anime or manga, or are you just there for all of it? I think I prefer the season one, season two, just because of the story and things like that. I think that's all the questions out for you. Do you have anything you'd like to add, either about backy or acting or helpful advice in life i don't think i'm really qualified to give acting advice just yet uh yeah i think you are but also it can be life advice it can be life advice i'm only 23 years old i don't have much life for advice either okay i'm sure you do but i won't push you for it thank you for talking to me
00:24:44
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Could you t just tell us where we can find you, your YouTube series, any of the things you've
Conclusion and Future Episodes
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been in? Like I said, me my YouTube channel is called The Amateur Lens. And as far as where can find is, I've got obviously Instagram account, Jack Henry Actor. Facebook account, Jack Henry Actor. And we can see you at the psychopath in October. You might be able to. Depends if I'm wearing a mask or not. Okay. Well, you might be scared by Jack at the psychopath and you might not know it.
00:25:08
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Great. Well, thank you for talking to me. your but has been This has been a lot of fun. Thank you. What Makes You Tick is hosted, produced and edited by me, Brian Watson. Thank you to Craig Pearson for designing the show logo.
00:25:21
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The theme music is Silent Movie 91 by Sasha End. Thank you once again to Jack for speaking to me for this episode. Join me next week for my conversation with writer and director Robert Carr and keep an eye on at Makes You Tick Pod on TikTok or Instagram for a sneak preview early next week.
00:25:36
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Thanks for listening.