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Speaker: Thank you for listening above Ruby's podcast, created by a mom for every mom and parents for that matter, embracing parenthood and sanity. Here to help you get by through weekly discussions and parenting, relationships, home and faith as you juggle daily in life.
Speaker: Welcome back to Above Ruby's podcast, where we talk about working from home, faith, parenting, relationship, and sanity. I am your host, Lynn, and with me today are two very great people. A few years, my junior. How are you guys?
Speaker: So very good. Doing great in one form. Doing great in one form. Okay, that's good to know. Ayaan, thriving is a good thing. Thriving is good. Ayaan, Sila Pastor Ken and Pastor Jonathanis, we have, our common denominator is AGBI Bataan. Pastor Ken, I don't know how to say it, but he's a Bible scholar. I don't know how to say it. Second year, first year, Pastor Ken.
Speaker: But we are all working ministers, so that means we are working alongside the ministry. How long have you been working alongside the ministry? I've been working alongside the ministry. I've been working alongside the ministry. I've been working alongside the ministry. I've been working alongside the ministry. I've been working alongside the ministry. I've been working alongside the ministry.
Speaker: My memory is not serving me right.
Speaker: As I said earlier, when I was driving, when I was in the car, I was like, what are you doing? I was like, no. Currently, I've experienced a lot of challenges, but still continuing to go back to the Lord, to search more of my heart, and to appreciate more the purpose, come back, and the interest of the field. So, yeah.
Speaker: Oh no, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker: physically, emotionally, mentally, and most special spiritually. I'm very happy with God's grace. Yes. And Pastor Jonathan just recovered. I'm very happy with Pastor. I've physically challenged the past few months. Yeah. Oh, yes. I'm very happy that you've held God's grace recently. I've had God's grace since then.
Speaker: Okay, I have a question and this is something that is really related to what we are doing for you. What is a part -time and a full -time pastor? Because there's always been a never -ending debate about these terms.
Speaker: But for you, what is a part -time and what is a full -time pastor? Or should we label the ministers as full -time and part -time pastors?
Speaker: All this, all that. All this, all that. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it. Anyway... I don't know how to say it, but I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it, but anyway. Anyway, I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something.
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Speaker: If you go to Pakistan full -time, you know that traditionally some workers, some pastors, depend on resources, some members of the church. So if you go to one of the workers in the church, it's simply to say that there are secular jobs. They don't do business, they're not employed outside of the church. So you can work with them.
Speaker: While in part -time, it's not traditionally my secular jobs outside the church and then in ministry during weekends. I'm not really sure, I'm not sure about the research, but I'm not sure about the reference or categorization of a city or a town. I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure about that, but for me, I'm not sure about that, but for me,
Speaker: Okay, to say, if, or to categorize the work of a young worker, who is not a young person or a young purpose, why he works or she works, right? Because for me, for me, I don't know if I'm a young worker or if I'm a young person,
Speaker: is to fulfill your duty. Number one is a family. And at the same time, Hindi is dependent on the resources that are available in the church. Even in the Apostle Paul, even if you look at the Corinthians, if you look at the Bible,
Speaker: But he refused. One of the reasons why he refused is because of the reason that there is no material involved. In this case, it is healthy.
Speaker: I think that's the reason why I'm here. I'm a part -time worker, or full -time worker. I think that's why I'm here in terms of the description of my work. I'm a full -time worker, I'm a part -time worker, but I'm not a part -time worker, I'm an eagerness to minister,
Speaker: to help the ministry, I don't think that it's healthy to categorize workers as such. So, inland. Pastor... Oh, no, no. Pastor John. Um, but, um, I second that inland. Well, yeah, as a guru, I don't know how to say it. Usually, when we say a full -time worker,
Speaker: These are the workers or these are the pastors and Bible women. They are going to spend from Monday to Sunday in the ministry. So they don't have job or they don't have a secular job and they focus.
Speaker: I'm going to involve some ministry from Monday to Sunday, 24 -7, let's say. I say, there's a lot of things now covered in a full -time worker. On the other hand, part -time worker, they're still engaged in the ministry, but there's a lot of activities now.
Speaker: When it comes to their personal life as well. So they are working from Monday to Friday, Monday to Saturday. And I would agree with Pastor Ken. You cannot define, just because she's working.
Speaker: And you are working as a full -time worker. And sadly they are doing it for the sake of job or for the sake of responsibility.
Speaker: Yeah, they feel obligated. It's really the heart of the workers. I agree. And that is really true. Because these terms, they create division. They create division and...
Speaker: judgment on people and on the members. It's been going on for a very long time. Technically, the three of us, we are part -time ministers because that's who we are. Pastor Jonathan and I are freelancers and online workers.
Speaker: Pastor Ken is focused on, he is also working in the school, who used to be an online admin, a freelancer. So I guess the question is, should ministers be tent makers, or should ministers or pastors and Bible women work? Should they be dedicating all of their time?
Speaker: in the ministry.
Speaker: It all depends on the need. Right now, I don't just feed myself, I also feed three other souls spiritually and physically. If that question will be asked, I think my answer is it depends on the need.
Speaker: Because what if the church where you're working is capable of giving you the need? So why not, Diba? Why not do full time and not necessarily spend time on a part time or in a secular work? Say, provide them a new need.
Speaker: The problem we do have right now, because of these ideas among Christian churches, I think this is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we are involved, this is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where we grew up. This is where
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Speaker: profiling. But then again, if the church is able to provide the need, if the church can provide, why not? But I don't think the church or any Christian believer should stop a worker from working if the need is not provided or is not met. So it is necessary. Let's help each other provide you need. As a minister,
Speaker: Actually, I'm a worker. Generally speaking, I'm not saying all, but generally speaking, to the point I'm not taking normally along with the panel, I'm a placard,
Speaker: Yes, exactly
Speaker: We are worthy of double honor, but it is possible that we will be able to do this in the future.
Speaker: Should workers be doing a part time or a secular job?
Speaker: If need, if needed, why not? I'll pass it on to you. It really depends on the need. Mr. Kolang, after I graduated, I served as a breadwinner of the family. Financially, my family is stable. And my mother and I are still my mom and dad.
Speaker: And I remember during the, during my internships, a local church and I signed and called before. They're also struggling financially to support me as a worker. And I would agree with Pastor Kenneth. If the church were able to support the needs of the workers or of the pastors, definitely you can be as a full -time worker.
Speaker: But let's not deny the fact that there is no church in the country, no needs, no work. So after I graduated, I decided to work with Munna to be a part -time worker. It really depends on family and ministry.
Speaker: Well, I encourage a band of workers or pastors. It depends on its family, it depends on its church, it depends on the situation. But he is also a tentmaker. He works night and day. And I have that kind of burden when I was in the ministry.
Speaker: And I can be part of the ministry and at the same time, I can support the ministry. So being a part -time worker, at least I was able to engage parents and ministers at the same time. You saw the needs and you're able to help. So
Speaker: It really depends on the needs. I don't know how long it will be. That's true. And I totally agree with you both. We grew up in a full -time pastor and Bible woman, like an apatkame. And at that time, I think my parents were just... Young support was only 1 ,000.
Speaker: to 1 ,500 per month. And this is not to degrade the full -time workers also. We really appreciate and we can see the heart because Meronsilang option to work as well, but then they decided to give that up.
Speaker: to work full -time. So it's not a fully sustained life. It was a very challenging financially and sacrificial for the parents. Sometimes
Speaker: I'm not providing enough for the family. I feel bad. So there's a sacrifice that comes along with it also when doing full -time. So I agree that it really depends and if the church is able to sustain the need of the worker by all means.
Speaker: That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true.
Speaker: That's one of the things part of the ministry.
Speaker: That is one of the idea. That's part of the ministry.
Speaker: That is really one of the things that I don't want to talk about in this term. I don't want to talk about this term, but I want to talk about some of the churches, which is really something that I don't want to talk about. As much as possible, the church has to provide if they don't want their worker to work a secular job.
Speaker: That is true, Vastor. That is so good. I really like that. Because it's true, and this should be a wake -up call to everyone.
Speaker: But I'm not going to add to that anymore.
Speaker: All right, we are back still with Pastor Ken and Pastor Jonathan. We're still talking about tent making on full -time, part -time because technically this is something that hits home. This is something that's very relevant to the three of us. Where does the word tent making come from?
Speaker: is found in the New Testament and this was based on the life of Apostle Paul because the term tent making was his job. If you're working alongside the ministry, then you are called tent making. Okay, now we have another question. What is the most challenging part in being a tent maker?
Speaker: challenging part. Yeah, before I worked in a corporate world and challenging part of the company, especially when I work in a call center before. Even Sunday, as a pastor,
Speaker: So that's one of the challenges. Seguro is a part -time worker or a tank maker. It's really the schedule. Even if it's a work mode. Seguro and Pinaka are challenges in being a tank maker.
Speaker: So physically, I'll be very honest, physically, my time is very exhausted. And it's just like, for example, Sunday or Saturday.
Speaker: It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day. It's just your rest day.
Speaker: What else? It's a good preparation when it comes to speaking engagement. When you're a full -time worker, you also have time to prepare. You have a lot of time to prepare your messages, to prepare your sermons. But when you're working in other
Speaker: field or in a secular world, I am sometimes exhausted. So it's one of the challenges of being a filmmaker. I agree with you, Pastor Jonathan. Just so I can do the work,
Speaker: I can minister while working.
Speaker: There's joy in the ministry, there's joy in the ministry. But when it comes to times, it becomes very, very challenging and sometimes not guilty on our part. Sometimes we feel like
Speaker: We are not doing enough. Although the heart is not in question. But the soul is always there. The passion is always there. But because you are not able to do or you are not able to commit 100 % of your time. How do you feel? How do you feel?
Speaker: now you can do more you can do better but it's just that the time it's just it's just that the needs i indeed that's true
Speaker: Among our ministers, should we be taken negatively for choosing not to be a full -time pastor? We kind of don't know. We don't know what to do. We don't have to look down on full -time pastors because they are full -time pastors.
Speaker: We are the church, we provide all your needs. And on our part as tent makers, should we also be locked down because we
Speaker: are only part -time ministers. What can you say about that pastor?
Speaker: They think that they can provide the needs of their past or their workers. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't know if this is true or not. I don't know if this is true or not.
Speaker: which is very sad. As a supporter and as a church member, it really depends on the church. They really look up their pastor with double honor.
Speaker: It's really the pastor and also consulting the members. They are controlling their workers or they're controlling their pastors, which is very sad.
Speaker: Bilaang is a member, Bilaang is a supporter. That's why we have a mindset. Because we have the money, we have the resources, we can control the other's lives. When you support a pastor, when you support a worker,
Speaker: You're not giving something just because you're expecting him to do these things or something. You're not expecting him to do this, to do that, to do that. You're supporting because that's your heart. You're supporting because that's your heart. That's your passion and you saw the needs.
Speaker: And that's your gift being a supporter. Yes. So you should never look down your full time pastor. You should never control your full time pastors when it comes to decision making.
Speaker: And it's very degrading. Just because.
Speaker: And yeah, Billang is some workers and Billang is some pastors. I've been at it, but we're not in a better process. And I believe in a mindset now, Namanga pastor. Now we're not only following these people, but we follow Christ. So we should never look down with our full -time pastors. So part -time Namang, it's a part -time worker or it's a part -time pastor, not them. I think
Speaker: We don't have that right.
Speaker: So we should never look down. I believe most of our part -time workers, these are faithful supporters in church.
Speaker: All right, so Pastor Ken, the question was, should ministers be taken negatively for choosing, for not choosing to be a full -time pastor and vice versa? Should part -time pastors be taken negatively? Did I just ask the same question? But yeah, you get the, the part -time, the part -time, the part -time, the part -time, the part -time.
Speaker: Basically, primarily the indie dub at Kasei. First reason for me is that we really cannot tell what's in the heart of that worker.
Speaker: So, it is really best to be just an accountability partner to that worker, to be a support to that worker, whether it be emotionally, whether it be if you have the ministry to become an advisor, then advise, or someone who can minister financially, then just support financially if there is any need materially for that non -worker. So, no, he did not put a judge. Actually, like I said,
Speaker: In the bottom line we are instructed not to judge by the Lord as instructed in the Bible and in that matter.
Speaker: In fact, it has to be a wake -up call.
Speaker: kung saisang, part -time worker, part -time in the sense, nahi nisha, full -time Monday through Sunday nag, as a pastor lang, nag, who works secularly. So you'll wake up call you on saisang church. Are we providing enough for that worker? Saisang among full -time pastor. It's also a wake -up call. kung na, dignan nagisaang church, kung enough pata laga inna re -receive nagisaang.
Speaker: I'm a worker, because I'm a worker, and I'm grabbing something from a sacrificial to the point of a church, and I'm a personality wise. I'm a personality worker, and I'm a worker.
Speaker: As a church, we have to be sensitive about that.
Speaker: How do you feel about your past? How do you feel about your personality? How do you feel about your personality? How do you feel about your personality?
Speaker: I can see it from our families later on.
Speaker: There's more opportunity for you to disciple children. There's more opportunity for you. I mean, there's more of you. That's one of the hindrances.
Speaker: This is my family. It's my life and it's my life. For me, it was a big opportunity to fulfill the God -given duty. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply. Multiply.
Speaker: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker: on both sides, a worker, some kind of church, the priest may be sensitive, but there is no worker, and there is no church. So, yeah. That's good. And the last question is, what do you love the most about being a minister?
Speaker: Oh, okay. I love that question. I love that question. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker. I appreciate being a worker.
Speaker: You have more opportunity to be clear and intentional when you help. You have more opportunity to become more zealous if you are a worker. If you are not a worker, you are not a worker. If you are not a worker, you are not a worker. If you are not a worker, you are not a worker. If you are not a worker,
Speaker: I don't know what to do with this, but I think it's important to know that this is a good place, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live, a good place to live,
Speaker: I didn't realize recently that there was a war in the middle of June. I didn't realize that there was a war in the middle of June. I didn't realize that there was a war in the middle of June. I didn't realize that there was a war in the middle
Speaker: I don't mean bad. I don't mean bad. I don't mean bad. I don't mean bad. I don't mean bad. I don't mean bad. I don't mean bad.
Speaker: because it's part of your purpose in life.
Speaker: So, there is no risk. Of course, there is no risk. As much as we can talk about it, etc., etc. But, I think it's a good idea, I think it's a good idea. There has been a risk, several times, at least twice or three times. When I was a member of the company,
Speaker: I have a lot of young people in Portland. Young people in the church, not in the local church. Young people in the church, not in the discretion. But I have a lot of people in the community. I have a lot of people in the worker. I have a lot of people in the church. I have a lot of people in the church. I have a lot of family. I have a type of risk with all of this. How do you feel about yourself?
Speaker: But as a worker, because what you felt is the grace, is the blessing coming from the Lord. But it's a blessing. So yeah.
Speaker: That is a really good backstory. Who else can understand you except your Anadeva?
Speaker: better than the fellow worker who shares the same passion and interest when it comes to the ministry. So there's always joy in serving the Lord. And before we end, let's take this opportunity to whoever is going to listen to this podcast or vidcast.
Speaker: To encourage them, especially now that many years now it's a pandemic, please share a word or two of encouragement to our fellow believers. Thank you both. To those who are listening, to those who are watching this video podcast,
Speaker: Sigurro, we are not on the same feet given we are workers. We have the title and we have that background as a worker. But you have to understand that we are all the same. As a believer, as a Christian, we are all the same in the sight of the Lord. Whatever we are facing right now, whatever challenges and struggles you are facing right now, what really matters most is that God is prepping you for something bigger.
Speaker: And God is honing you to become a better person. Just don't give up. I just want to share this. I'm a life -first person. I'm a life -first person. But I don't have a phone. I don't have a reminder. I don't have a life -first person. So I really put this on my phone. Even I, me myself and I, I don't have a life -first person.
Speaker: that all things work together for good. Instead of klaklang, the verse Romans 8 .28, all things work together for good. Even though we have these struggles, personal struggles, there may be times, but we really have to keep
Speaker: to let God keep on searching our hearts. There are a lot of times that struggle spiritually, emotionally, intellectually, mentally. What we just have to really do is to rely on His promises.
Speaker: I am a hero. I am struggling. I am in a state where I can not fulfill my own faith. I can not practice my own hope. I am in a state where I can not fulfill my own faith.
Speaker: We have to go back to the idea now, what's the point of exercising faith? And that's what faith is all about. Really trusting on something that you haven't seen yet, you haven't experienced yet. And we have to
Speaker: just hold on. When the storms, and I have some lyrics, even though... Until the storm is over. So one thing Naka 'elanga Nangatink Pangawanga and her, his promise is
Speaker: Sometimes they will never give up on those promises. So just keep on holding on.
Speaker: If you are encountering any mental health, especially during this pandemic, especially the anxieties, the fear of going outside,
Speaker: In my mind, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know how to contain, I don't know
Speaker: I just wanted to share. God said three times with Joshua, do not fear and be of good courage.
Speaker: Do not fear and be of good courage. Whatever you are encountering right now, whether physically, emotionally, mental or even spiritually, do not fear. God is always there for us and He never leaves us nor forsake us. And it's a matter of trusting His promises. We may not feel
Speaker: nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi nahi
Speaker: your weapon, especially when it comes in times of this pandemic. Good thing is we have got
Speaker: If you're experiencing this anxiety attack and your mental health, I think God is teaching you and God is reaching out to you.
Speaker: That whatever happens in your life, all things work together for good, especially to those people who love God. Whatever happens, whether it is good or bad, when you're in God, it's always in good, or it's always in the
Speaker: It always aligns with your plan. So, if you want mental health, which is my personal experience in the past few months, just always ask God, pray and kneel, and I can assure you that the peace of God will rule your heart. If you want peace of mind, your Holy Spirit will begin peace of mind.
Speaker: And for this opportunity to talk to you about this, something that not many people are talking about.
Speaker: which is something we should be talking about. So I really appreciate it. Thank you for sharing your insights. And of course, we will see each other when we see each other.
Speaker: Hope you enjoyed today's episode. Sign up to my newsletter so you're notified of my next podcast at www .abovepreciousroobies .com or follow me via Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Podcast, and other podcast streaming platforms. If you have comments, questions, or suggestions, email me at n -i -l -y -n at abovepreciousroobies .com. I look forward to talking to you.
