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From the Archives: The 1904 Olympics and the Story of Jyoti Singh
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In this special bonus episode, Jeff and Sam revisit two unforgettable stories from past episodes. Jeff shares the chaotic and unbelievable events of the 1904 St. Louis Olympic Marathon, widely considered the most absurd Olympic race in history. Sam brings back the heartbreaking and powerful story of Jyoti Singh, whose tragic death sparked outrage and led to nationwide protests and legal reform in India.
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Jeff’s Story – The 1904 Olympics:
- Smithsonian Magazine – The 1904 Olympic Marathon May Have Been the Strangest Ever
- Olympics.com – Chaos and Cheating at the 1904 Marathon
- Wikipedia – 1904 Summer Olympics
Sam’s Story – The Story of Jyoti Singh (also known as Nirbhaya):
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Transcript
Introduction and Show Promotion
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Well, hello, Sam. ah jeffrey
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Oh, thank God that didn't play a again. and didn't know if I had the infinity thing on it for it to keep playing that damn song over and over. don't envy your possession. Right. Hi, and welcome to The Jeff and Sam Show.
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In an easy way. There you go. um So this just something we thought about doing because we have such a good catalog of past shows that are just kind of sitting there. So we thought why not bring them back out again, right?
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Why not do something with them because they are just kind of hanging out there and yeah they're all stories worth telling, right?
Revisiting Past Stories
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So for this beautiful Monday, this magic Monday, we're going to do... i mean, it could be a terrible Monday.
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You know, if you're having a terrible Monday, we're sorry. We want to apologize. But then, you know, we're here to help you with that. The first one that we're going to do for you today, a and this is going to cause Alan to have to work a little bit.
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yes We're going to mix and match. These are not from the same show, so it'll sound a little weird, a little different, but that's part of it because we're just telling you the ones that we're going play and then the show will finish out with those two episodes.
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Jeff picked two of mine and I picked two of his that we wanted to re-hear,
Jyoti Singh Case Overview
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re-share. And so for me, ah the one that I wanted Sam, i wanted to play that one again, is the Jodi Singh case from India.
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It is a horrific story. It's not for the faint of heart. But it is a story worth. telling Yes. As we say, it's all, they're all stories worth telling, especially the story of Jodi scene.
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So what was that one? Can you kind of recap that one for us? No, I feel like we should just let them, let them listen. the The most important thing is it is, I guess the trigger warning. so you can go through it's, it is if there's violence.
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There is rape. It's just very traumatic. Yes, it is. And then the one that Sam, what did you pick for me?
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i don't Oh, the 1904 Olympics. The 1904 Summer Olympics. Because we just needed to kind of provide a little levity. Yes. hear this So the 1904 Olympics will go last just to bring brighten up your day a little bit because it is an absolute fun story.
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it was in St. Louis, Missouri. um it was our very first Olympics in the United States. And it made both of us laugh. Yes. It is a great story. So anyway, there's that.
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ah We will let you hear them. we hope you enjoy them again. And have a good Monday. Don't forget to rate and review us. Enjoy the show. ah This is Sam's trigger warning.
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um There are a lot of things that I tell in this story that are very sensitive to
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people who have experienced um rape trauma and it's not an easy one to listen to. So if that's you, take a step back and just stop here.
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Join us next time. Next time. ah
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Nebha means fearless one.
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Amanat means treasure. Jagruti means awareness. And Damini means lightning. These are all names that were used to describe the woman in my story.
Details of the Attack
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Jyoti Singh was born 10th of May in 1990. The oldest of three children, she was the only daughter in a lower middle class family living in a small village outside Delhi, India.
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Her mother was a homemaker and her father worked double shifts to support the family and send the kids to school. He didn't have the opportunity or resources to go to school when he was younger and he never wanted that faith for his own children.
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Recalling about Jyoti, he once said, it was impossible to refuse a little girl who loved going to school. So he worked as hard as he could to get her there. In December of 2012, Jyoti had just started an internship for physiotherapy at St. Stephen's Hospital after graduating from Psy Institute of Paramedical and Allied Sciences.
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On December 16th, she and her friend, Owindra, went to see Life of Pi at the theater in Saket. After the movie, they took a rickshaw to the Munrika bus stand.
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At about 9.30, the two boarded a private bus, which was not abnormal for the area, bound for Dwarka. There were six other individuals already on board, including a driver and a teenage male.
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After a short while on the bus, a windrow became suspicious when the bus deviated from the normal route. When he objected, the other passengers and the driver began taunting the pair and asking why they were out so late.
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An argument ensued and it turned into a physical altercation. Owindra was badly beaten, gagged, and knocked unconscious with an iron rod. The six men then turned their attentions onto Jyoti.
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They attacked her, dragged her to the back of the bus, and proceeded to violently assault her. They beat her with a rod, tortured her, and took turns raping her.
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Medical reports later said that she suffered serious injuries to her abdomen, intestines, and genitals during the assault. It was noted that the damage indicated that a blunt object had been repeatedly used for penetration.
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The police later described the object as a rusted, L-shaped wheel jack handle. During the attack, she fought for her life. She bit three of her attackers and left perfect bite impressions on their arms.
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After nearly an hour of brutal rape and heinous violence, the assailants threw both victims from the moving bus. The two were found partially clothed and barely alive on the side of the road by a passerby at proxi approximately 11 p.m.
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The police were immediately called and the victims were transported to Safdarjung Hospital, where Jyoti received immediate medical stabilization and was placed on mechanical ventilation.
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A special investigation team was formed for the case. using CCTV footage and the description of the bus, some white charter bus with a name written on it, the assistance from Awindra, who provided details for sketches, and tracing the cell phone that was that had been stolen from one of the victims during the
Investigation and Arrests
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assault.
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Within 24 hours, the police found and arrested some of the suspects and found the bus and impounded it. It had been scrubbed completely clean.
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They were able to retrieve two blood-stained metal rods, which medical staff confirmed were the cause of, quote, massive damage to Jodi's genitals, uterus, and intestines.
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Damn. One of the accused attackers later reported having seen a quote, rope-like object being pulled out of the woman's body by one of the other assailants.
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It was her intestines.
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The bus was registered to Ram Singh. He was a 30-year-old, and he was the original bus driver the night of the attack. He matched one of the sketches. In addition to Ram Singh, five others were arrested in connection with the attack.
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Mukesh Singh, Ram's 26-year-old brother, Vijay Sharma, a 20-year-old assistant gym instructor, Pawan Gupta, a 19-year-old fruit seller,
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Mohamed Efroz, a 17-year-old who had just met the others on that same day, and Akshay Takur, a 28-year-old who was in that area looking for employment with a son and a wife at home waiting for him.
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Reports claim that the group had been having a party earlier in the day and decided to go joyriding in Rahm's bus. The bus was not licensed for public passengers, and it was illegal in Delhi because of the window tinting.
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Before picking up Jyoti and Awindra, the group had lured a 35-year-old carpenter onto the bus and then beaten and robbed him. The victim, Ramadhar Singh, was dumped after the beating.
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He reported it to three police constables that were passing by. However, they refused to take action, claiming that it was outside their jurisdiction.
Legal Proceedings and Outcome
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So the bus went on. Was that her friend?
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That was... Earlier in the night. Oh. Oh. Whoa. What the fuck? So the night went on.
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On December 18th, 2012, Ram Singh went before the Metropolitan Magistrate. The investigation surrounding him revealed that he had a drinking problem that frequently resulted in a, quote, bad temper and, quote, blinding rage, for which his friends called him absolutely mental.
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On December 19th, 2012, Owindra Pratapandi testified for the courts from a hospital because he was plagued with guilt and trauma over the incident.
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At this date, Jodi had already undergone her fifth surgery. She had had them almost all of her intestines were removed at this point.
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She was listed as stable and critical.
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I just have to pause there because stable and critical coming from the nurse side of things, I don't think I ever see.
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Well, that's, that's very rare. It's like post-surgery jargon that people use. Well, we cut them wide open and, and they're alive and their vitals look fine, but they could die at any moment. That's basically what that means. Yeah.
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On December 21st, the government appointed a committee of doctors to ensure that Jodi had the best medical care. By December 25th, she was still intubated, on life support, and in critical condition.
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She had developed fevers and sepsis, which had developed into multi-system organ failure. However, the internal be bleeding was, quote, somewhat controlled.
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And the doctors reported that she was, again, quote, stable, conscious, and meaning meaningfully communicative.
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I would like you, Jeff, to explain to me what that means for someone who has gone through so much trauma and so many surgeries. How is that possible?
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yeah Super hard to believe. Meaningfully communicative.
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Intubated, on life support, just after surgery, surgery, surgery, and full organ failure from sepsis. Like, come on. Yeah. On December 26th, a cabinet meeting chaired by the prime minister made the decision to fly her to Mount Elizabeth in Singapore for further care.
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The decision was highly controversial and possibly politically motivated. Just hours before her departure, it had been stated that she was not in any condition to be moved. And yet they did.
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The flight was 36 hours, during which this stably unstable, critical, septic, dying woman, surprisingly, sarcasm, went into cardiac arrest.
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She remained without a pulse or blood pressure for a full three minutes. She never regained consciousness. By 11 a.m. m on December 28th, she was listed as extremely critical.
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She had suffered brain damage, pneumonia, multiple abdominal infections, and was, quote, fighting for her life. At 4.45 in the morning on December 29th, 22-year-old Jodi Singh was pronounced dead.
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On January 3rd, 2013, police filed charges against the five adult men for rape, murder, kidnapping, destruction of evidence, and attempted murder. Mukesh, Fiji, Akshay, and Pawan all denied the charges.
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The few men that had previously confessed hadher had their lawyers claim that they had been tortured and the keve confessions had been coerced. On January 10th, one of the lawyers actually had the fucking audacity to blame the victims.
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stating that they just shouldn't have been using public transportation. Shut the fuck up. And as an unmarried pair, they shouldn't have been out at night. He said, and again, another quote, until today, i have not seen a single incident or example of rape with a respected lady.
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He claimed that Awindra was wholly responsible because he failed in his duty to protect the woman he was with.
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Yeah. are you That's for real. He really said that. Uh-huh. Wow. Wow. What a horrible human being. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Oh. On January 28th, 2013, Muhammad Afro's was tried in juvenile court. Not for lack of trying for him to be tried in his adult.
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The police and Janata Party president sought prosecut and prosecution as an adult because of the violent nature of the crime, understandably. However, they failed in their attempts and he was prosecuted in juvenile court.
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On March 11th, Ram Singh was found hanging in his jail cell. Authorities are still unclear or maybe justifiably unconcerned about whether it was yeah suicide or murder. They didn't care. They found him dead. That was it. It was over. um On August 31st, was...
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he was ah Muhammad Afro, the 17-year-old, was convicted of rape and murder and given the maximum sentence, a whopping three years in a reform facility, not in jail, in a reform facility.
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That three years included the eight months that he had already spent waiting for his sentence. So he basically had two and a couple months left. All right.
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Reportedly, Jody's younger brother attempted to attack Afros when the sentencing was announced, but he was stopped and restrained by the courtroom crowd.
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Afros was released on December 20th, 2015. two thousand and fifteen Per the rehabilitation guidance, he was given a new identity and pretty significant funds to start a new life using skills that he had demonstrated in the reform facility.
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And that shows the value of a woman's life
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for these people that allowed him to get out after three years, that blamed it on the victims, that said it doesn't happen to respectable women.
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Man, get fucked. it gets worse. It gets so much worse. Oh, this makes me angry.
Public Reaction and Impact
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On September 10th, 2013, in the fast track court of Delhi, which had been created after this event, by the way, this this concept of fast track courts, the four remaining adult defendants were found guilty of rape, murder, unnatural offenses, and destruction of evidence.
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The death penalty was on the table and the demonstrators and the victim's father called for hanging. September 13th, All four were sentenced to death by hanging.
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The judge stated, the case has shocked the collective conscience of any India.
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You might be a little excited here because, you know, it's September the following year, and you know. Okay. Yeah, no, it's not that great.
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One of the defendants got extremely dramatic after the sentencing, threw himself to the floor, begging the judge and then turning to the crowd and pleading save me brother save me
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okay i just i hear i want to say this is the only words that come to my mind are fuck you get fucked like don't have any other words that i want to say you know what i mean so i keep coming back to those words to these horrible human beings yeah but
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You have to put yourself in that place as a man at that time, especially. When was this? 2012, 2013. pleading to his brothers and everything um was 2013, but.
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Mukesh showed his complete and total horrendous soul when he blamed Jodi for being raped and murdered. he made horrible and not altogether his own personal comments about the inequality between men and women. few of those few of those statements are, a decent girl wouldn't roam around at nine o'clock at night.
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And a girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy.
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My favorite. When being raped, she shouldn't have fought back. She should have just stayed silent and allowed the rape. We would have let her live.
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Gah. On March 13th, 2014. two thousand and fourteen So we're now in the next year. The Delhi High Court found them all guilty again and confirmed the death sentences.
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On March 15th, the Supreme Court of India stayed the edge execution of two out of the four, Mukesh and Pawan, to allow them to make their appeals on March 31st.
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It was then extended to the second week of July. On June 2nd, 2014, the other two convicts asked for a stay of execution for appeals.
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On July 14th, this stay was granted.
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August 27th, 2015, three of the four were given 10 years imprisonment for the conviction in the case of robbing Ramadir Singh, the carpenter.
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The officers involved in that case, the ones who failed to report the crime, were placed on disciplinary assignments for neglecting to do their duties. Okay.
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couple years later, in May of 2017, the Supreme Court rejected all of the appeals, stating that they had committed a barbaric crime.
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The death sentence was upheld for the four remaining convicts. The lawyers, as lawyers do, continued to fight the sentencing and convictions. They used every legal precedent to appeal or petition whenever they could.
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On July nine 2018, the Supreme Court rejected one such review petition that had been filed by three out of the four.
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In November 2019, the why this is insane the Supreme Court rejected Akshay's review petition pleading for mercy.
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In January 2020, petitions
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petitions Vrgvinjai and Mukesh were also rejected. Finally, on February 7th of 2020, a death warrant was issued for the Nirbhaya rapists.
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An execution date was set for January twenty second twenty second
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Government authorities and the victim's mother pointed out that the strategically staggered pleas, petitions, appeals, and reviews were schemed and done intentionally to delay justice.
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And it worked for years. But it wasn't over yet. In January of 2020, Mukesh continued the delays by filing a mercy plea, which in India...
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requires any additional in individuals involved who were also sentenced to the death penalty to but be delayed as well. On the 17th of January 2020, the President of India rejected the mercy plea.
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Just hours after the rejection, a judge issued a second death warrant for all four convicts to be hanged on February 1st, 2020, after the mandatory fourteen day gap,
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because that's required to recover after a mercy plea is rejected. But the fuckery continued, Jeffrey. On January 31st, a Delhi court stayed the death warrant for Pawan.
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One of the scumbag lawyers cited some rule that claimed that in a case in which more than one person was sentenced to death, the executions cannot take place until all of the convicts had exhausted all of their legal options.
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I mean, they- Just for clarification, where are we now? We're 2020. It's fine. Everything's fine.
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bye ah really so so Jodi. And this is the story about Jodi and how her murderers and rapists avoided.
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Yeah. Oh, this is horrible. So here we are um days before they were supposed to get executed, um trying to exhaust all legal options. So all four of these assholes were saved again because of legal crap.
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On February 17th, 2020, a third death warrant was issued with an execution date of March 3rd.
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March 4th. A fourth warrant was issued with an execution date of March 20th.
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The convicts and their families and their lawyers attempted to make pleas and appeals, but the execution date stuck.
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On March 20th of 2020, just a few years ago, eight years after the heinous crimes, Mukesh Singh, Vinay Sharma, Akshay Thakur, and Pawan Gupta were finally executed by hanging on specially designed gallows.
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All four of them had refused offers for their last meals or new clothes. They were blindfolded and none resisted. until the last moments before his execution when Vinay Sharma reportedly suffered a breakdown and was pleading with the guards.
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30 minutes after they were dropped, all four convicts were pronounced dead.
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Mukesh, who had already shown his true colors, wanted maybe to redeem himself and requested to donate his organs.
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Awindra Pratapandi suffered broken limbs, but survived the attacks with, quote, only the trauma and guilt of a survivor.
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During the investigation and trial, her name was withheld pursuant to Indian law. Her father gave permission for it to be released with the understanding that her name would be memorialized in laws that would prevent such atrocities from happening in the future.
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Following the attack during Jodi's hospitalization and throughout the trials, protests broke out throughout the country and around the world. Many turned violent and dangerous.
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Famous individuals, actors, athletes, politicians, all became very involved.
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Concerns about government mismanagement and then police brutality ran rampant. People in India, throughout South Asia and around the world wanted change and reform, reform the horrors of what Jodi Singh endured could have served as the impetus for an overhaul of attitudes and policies policies towards women.
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New Delhi has the highest number of sex crimes among India's major cities. On average, one rate is reported every 18 hours.
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Not that one rape occurs, it's that one is reported. in Between 2007 and 2011, rape cases rose by the rape cases filed in delhi in two thousand and twelve only one had successful conviction against the attacker In less than a month between mid-December and early January, there were 501 harassment calls, 64 rape calls, and only four had inquiries that followed up.
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In 2013, Nirbaya was posthumously awarded one of the International Women of Courage Awards from the U.S. State Department. Following the Jodi attack,
00:28:13
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Rape became a capital offense in India. Although another shitbag politician opposed the change and stated, boys will be boys. Oh, no Boys commit mistakes.
00:28:25
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What? It took two years for that statement to really sink in and for people to finally speak out against the catchy phrase and express their disgust. Ugh. Tourism dropped precipitously the first few years following the attack and protests.
00:28:42
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Travel warnings were issued against females traveling alone or even in small groups. In 2014, the finance minister stated, quote, one small incident of rape in Delhi advertised world over is enough to cost us billions of dollars in terms of lower terror tourism.
00:29:07
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Oh, you're missing the point there, budd I'm so sorry Jesus. Just.
00:29:19
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couple of points you had asked me as I was doing, as I was researching the story, you know, did things really change? That's something that I'll touch on in a few seconds, but.
00:29:29
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um I really struggled with this story for so many reasons. um And this. Maybe is an unpopular opinion for someone like me, but I don't necessarily consider myself a vocal feminist, which might actually be a stupid thing to say because, you know, it just destroys the whole point of feminism nowadays, I guess.
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I'm not really outspoken about my views. I fully accept that different cultures have different views of women.
00:30:05
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But shit, Jeff.
00:30:11
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this story was so hard to research and stay objective. And initially tried to not judge the culture. Yeah, mean, yeah. But it's
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impossible. As a woman who is so lucky to have the rights that I have um and to have...
00:30:40
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lived through obviously not something this bad, but something similar. um It's reading this and and, and, and hearing the political leaders from their country, you expect the rapists to say bad things, right? Like they're bad people, but when you're,
00:31:08
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leaders are saying things about how.
00:31:14
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damn. Boys will be boys. Boys will be boys. can't change this law. Like, that's that's silly. Let's not do that. um It's.
00:31:27
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It's wild, you know, ah unfortunately, although they created so many laws or they changed so many laws after Jodi endured what she did. the depth of belief in certain citizens and their leaders in India and around the world ah could not be altered at at all.
00:31:47
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um And as great as it would be to say that what happened to her was monumental enough to change the culture surrounding ah treatment and status of women, not only in India, but around the world. Because again, this was publicized worldwide.
00:32:01
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um That's not how it went. Some things are so difficult too deeply ingrained in certain people to change, regardless of whatever significant events that shake the world around them.
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And this shakes many people to their core, but it has not changed.
00:32:23
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So, you know, my friend Nikki, who Neeraj is his name, he was the our tour person while we were in India. And, you know, India is this most spectacular things I've ever seen in my life are in India.
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And there's some pretty horrific things that you see in India. It just is what it is. You can't change it as part of who India is. And he would always say, and I appreciated this, there's something simpler or something similar in your own country too.
00:33:02
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And that is the truth. This happens in every country. There is a version of this in every country But there's also a real problem with this in India, I think, because in Delhi when I was there this year, there was a gang rape that was on the news.
00:33:24
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And this is 2024. Yeah. 12 years later. Yeah. It's a good point. yeah it's ah yeah it's it's an ah you you mean ah good point This story was specifically- It's own backyard. this ah it's in you know It's everywhere.
00:33:40
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and this is- It's not just India. And that's why a lot of this, a lot of the media attention, the worldwide media coverage, and you know
00:33:55
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it's everywhere. And it happens to everyone, not just unrespectable ladies.
Reflections on Safety
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And I'm going to tell you since the day that we were recording- couple of months ago and i got up and answered the door and you were just like gobsmacked that I just got up and without even thinking about it answered the door. have thought about that a lot.
00:34:17
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And the other night that rabbit, that was a good job on that story, by the way, that story was about Jodi Singh, not about the horrific people and the stupid ass lawmakers that didn't said what they said, but that was about Jodi Singh who did not deserve To be murdered.
00:34:35
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To be raped. Her father had fought yeah to get her to school. He had worked so hard. She did. And she went and she was doing her internship as a physiotherapy intern. And she had done it. yeah And she was 22 years young.
00:34:49
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And... 22 years old is a... is a It's young. But she just went out with a movie or with a friend to go see a movie.
00:35:02
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Like... what we do and nobody thinks about it again we we we see this from a distance where even every everyone can think of it as oh well that's not going to happen to me and this poor girl who had her whole life opening up before her because of what her family had done for her It was taken away.
00:35:31
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And then her parents had to suffer through her parents, her brothers had to suffer through years and years of litigation and
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political and legal bullshit.
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to get her the only semblance of justice. And I emphasize that because you know how I feel about revenge and um'm I'm all about it. You know, I would have loved to have seen something way worse happen to them.
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um
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And they finally got, I guess the only version of that that they would ever get. um But then you think about the 17 year old who he's 17, not child.
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In many places, he's a grown ass man who is now living a totally new life. And if he's in a city of Delhi that has 30 million people, 30 million people, he's weaving in and out Nobody knows who he is.
00:36:34
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And they actually found later that he was the one who lured the carpenter onto the bus. So there were a lot of things that unfolded um outside of Jody's story.
00:36:48
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um Specifically, there was, you know, quote, who was at fault, right? You know, the police officers who didn't report the the assault and the robbery, you know, if they had stepped up,
00:37:06
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would this bus have even been around to pick up Jodi? Like there's so many what ifs, there's so many things and that got missed. Jodi's dead, yeah.
00:37:16
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That's the bottom. She is, but she bit three attackers. The bite marks were used to to match yeah their impressions. Like she didn't give up.
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She didn't. And she I mean, she fought for days afterwards. Yeah. The things that were described about her injuries and the the fact that they they
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used the metal rods from the bus, the wheel jacks, like...
00:37:52
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And then you think about what the the one convict said about, you know, if she had just stayed quiet. Fuck off. Sir, you were. No.
00:38:02
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Yeah. There were six of you. And so there is a documentary about this on Prime, on Amazon Prime. It's called India's Daughter.
00:38:13
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it's not easy yeah to watch. Yeah. um Good job. Okay. So in the spirit of the Olympics, I'm going to give you a story today that is from America's first Olympic game or the first Olympic game that was held in America.
1904 St. Louis Olympics Marathon
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Okay. and Do tell.
00:38:35
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Pray tell. So where do you even start with one of the strangest Olympic stories of them all? It was 1904. Imagine this. 1904, St. Louis, Missouri.
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It's not a tale about the athletes per se, although it kind of is. It's a culmination of a jaw-dropping mishmash of events that produced one of the most bizarre races ever run.
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it tells a story of poison, medical malfeasance, and cheating so unbelievable you can't make it up. And I actually got this story from olympics.com. So this is like an ah official story on their website.
00:39:17
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Well, you know, they don't want to hide the dirty secrets. Right, they don't. Well, some of it came from Wikipedia as well because some of the juicy stuff wasn't quite on there for reasons. um But we're going to find out.
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The World Fair was also in St. Louis that year to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Louisiana Purchase. Louisiana. Um, and running in fact was not the only means of transport used in this 28 point, I'm sorry, 24.85 mile race, but more on those shenanigans to come.
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Uh, perhaps the background to the race should have given people an inkling of the strange events to come as St. Louis, The St. Louis Olympics were not conventional conventional in any sense of the word.
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ah The USA's first ever games were tied to that year's World's Fair and as such were missing the unique grandeur that had been witnessed at the turn of the century games in Paris. are the ah And were there again.
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Are the inaugural modern Olympics that had taken place in Athens four years before Paris. Of the runners who stood on the marathon starting line, a handful had run previous Boston Marathon, but mainly the field was comprised of a hodgepodge collection of middle distance specialists or distance running novices who had never attempted anything like a marathon before.
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ha. It's just kind of like starting off great random people. ah Two of the competitors, Lynn Toyain and Jan Mashiani, I'm going with those pronunciations, were members of the South African Swana tribe who were in St. Louis because of the World Fair.
00:40:52
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The historic import, they weren't even there for the Olympics. They were there for the World Fair. But they ended up running in the Olympics. The historic importance of their participation was probably unknown at the time as they became the first black Africans to compete in the modern Olympics.
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The race began in sweltering heat on an unpaved course that threw up clusters of dust into the thick air, making it impossible for the athletes to breathe as they made their way across the Missouri Plains.
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It was a brutally hot August day. The roads snaked up and down with steep inclines passing through the center of town where runners had to dodge lanes of traffic and pedestrians.
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Also, the organizers of... Excuse me, I'm running a race here. Dodging cars, pedestrians, dogs, horses. Dust storms? Dust. Massive dust storm.
00:41:48
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um going through the center of towns also the organizer organizers of the race thought it would be a good idea to drive two cars ahead of the runners so you've got the runners and ahead of them you have two cars guess what they're doing blowing up dust exactly creating and an asphyxiating cloud of dust that would be incredibly dangerous to the runners even causing one of them to drop out of the race To add to the fun, there was only one water stop available the whole race, a roadside well at 12 miles.
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So at the 12-mile mark, you get a little water. From a roadside well. I'll take it. None i these water cup tables. Right? The 32 entrants began the race that afternoon, but by the end of the day, mere 14 would finish the race, the lowest number in Olympic history.
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It was no surprise the winning athlete would later say that the terrific hills simply tear him into pieces. The first athlete to cross the finish line was Fred Lors, an American distance runner who would go on to win the Boston Marathon a year later.
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He was a bricklayer by day and he trained by night. But not all was what it seemed with Lore's Olympic marathon victory. Just as he was about to be presented with the winner's trophy by Alice Roosevelt, the daughter of the then-president Roosevelt, and a member of the public shouted, quote, This is... ah He... um Let me rephrase that.
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A member of the public said, quote... that Loris was an imposter. So he like stopped the whole thing and said, wait, wait, wait, baby wait. This man is lying. It later came to light that at the nine mile mark, Loris had begun suffering from leg cramps and hitched a ride in a car for the next 11 miles.
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He then proceeded to jump out of the vehicle and run to the finish line where he would bask in the spoils of victory. Loris would go on to claim that he had only finished as a joke and had never intended to keep up the charade.
00:43:44
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In the Olympics, dude. Right. like This isn't just your neighborhood race. Right. It's the Olympics. And he took a ride in a car. 11 miles yeah out of 24. And then is given a medal by Alice Roosevelt.
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So of the other runners, Felix Carvajal, a mailman from Cuba, dreamed of competing in the Olympics during the marathon. And during his mail rounds in Cuba, he raised enough money and sponsors to set out on his way.
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And just as a side note, this man's going to be one of my next stories because he's phenomenal. And what really happens is he's running around Cuba. He runs the length of the island a couple of times. He goes to the mayor of Havana, and he's like,
00:44:27
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hey, I really want to go to the Olympics. Can you sponsor me? And the mayor's like, no, sorry. And then Felix is like, well, I'm going to run around this courthouse over and over and over again until you say yes. And so he starts doing that. And then spectators start watching this. And then the mayor is finally like, crap.
00:44:44
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Jeez, okay. He goes outside and said, stop, please. I'll so um sponsor you. Please, by all means, you're going to go to St. Louis. Right? So he got the sponsor. He set out for New Orleans. um But while in New Orleans, he gambled and drank all of his money away.
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Every single penny. So then he hitchhiked and trekked all the way to St. Louis. He showed up at the race in a long sleeve, white shirt, and trousers. Another runner took a little pity on it pity on him and got some scissors and cut his trousers off at the knees to make it more comfortable for him.
00:45:20
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The first pair of shorts ever worn. Exactly. ah That's good point. Throughout the race, he repeatedly stopped just to chat with spectators because Felix is a people. He's a mailman. people's person, right? He's a mailman. He loves loves to chat with people. So he would stop and talk to people.
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Then he would continue running at a reasonable pace until hunger caused him to stop at an orchard to snack on some apples. Unfortunately for Felix, the apples were rotten and his stomach began to cramp.
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And that caused him to lie down at the side of the road where he proceeded to take a nap. Felix, in all of his greatness, still finished fourth in the race.
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I love Felix. He's just a person. i love this. He shines in this story so much so that I've got a whole thing going for him. ah William Garcia of California was another to succumb to the extraordinary conditions.
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Initially leading, Garcia gulped down as much dust from the country roads that when he started to cough, blood was coming up because the dust had also gotten into his lungs and hurt his lungs, but it also got into his stomach lining and destroyed the stomach lining. So he suffered a nearly fatal stomach hemorrhage because of the dust.
00:46:36
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What kind of freaking dust does Louisiana have? It's 1904 car pollution mixed with the dust. So he was almost the first modern Olympic death. oh South Africa's Thuyan, on the other hand, had proved to be ah be a very able runner and was well positioned until a pack of wild dogs chased him a mile off the course, leaving him to finish ninth of the 14 finishers.
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The race was eventually won by USA's Tom Hicks in a time that is still the slowest in Olympic history. Three hours, 28 minutes, and 53 seconds. But even Hicks, Hicks' race was far from conventional.
00:47:17
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Now Hicks had a little unconventional help along the way. He was very dehydrated. At the 10 mile mark, Hicks was exhausted and begging for water. But he wasn't quite at the place where they had the water, the 12 mile mark.
00:47:32
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Water was so limited because James Sullivan, the event organizer, was secretly using the race as an experiment on the effects of forced dehydration. of my God. And that's the reason he allowed only one water stop.
00:47:45
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He also knew that the route was going to be hot and dusty. So he had this plan to see how well it was. Because he I think he thought that you could do better when you were dehydrated and he was going to test that.
00:47:57
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He would have been held responsible for that guy's death had that runner actually died. guess there's the crime, right? Murder. Um, Hicks was refused water, but instead had a single gauze of warm water placed in his mouth. We're going to give you a gauze with some water on it. Warm water.
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It gets worse because you could have handlers back then. So Hicks's handlers made him drink egg whites and a little bit of strychnine. Now, while it is a poison, it was commonly believed in 1904 that it acted as a performance enhancer in very small doses.
00:48:40
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Like a little bit of speed to pick you up. But bad news, it's a poison that shuts down your muscles. Not really sure why you'd want to give it to an Olympic marathoner. But they did. and toward the end of the race, they did it again.
00:48:54
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You get a little more strychnine, but this time wash it down with brandy. So they gave him strychnine and brandy. yeah So having been helped by his trainers at various points along the route, Hicks fondly forced himself towards the finish line.
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Charles Lucas, a racial race official, said that this of the last two miles of the race for him. His eyes were dull, lusterless, an ashen color of his face, and his skin had deepened.
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His arms appeared as weights well tied down. He could scarcely lift his legs while his knees were almost stiff. mean, they poisoned him. Eventually exhausted and he's now hallucinating.
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so this dude is hallucinating now that he has 20 more miles to go because of the strychnine and the brandy. Hicks was carried over the line by his trainers. His legs were moving back and forth to make it look like he was actually running, but he was almost dead.
00:49:48
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But he won. It was a fitting end to erase the likes of which we're unlikely to ever see again. The marathon event at St. Louis was so controversial that the event was almost struck from the Olympic program for the following games.
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The director of the 1904 Olympics, James Sullivan, stated that a run of that distance was, quote, indefensible on any ground but historic. Also, you starved them of water, James.
00:50:18
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For science. Lors, who had hitched hitched his way to victory in St. Louis, was banned for life for his fraudulent behavior, a punishment that was overturned in time for him to win the Boston Marathon a year later.
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Cuba's Carvajal gained sponsorship from the Greek government to run a marathon in Athens in 1906. But he never arrived at the race, and newspapers in his home country proclaimed that he was dead.
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A year later, he arrived back in Havana, But his whereabouts for the previous year were unknown.
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Felix. I love Felix. Where'd you go, man? Right? The race winner Hicks, for his part, continued to run marathons for the next five years before he moved to Winnipeg, Canada but to be with his two brothers.
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But none of these runners would ever again experience an event as preposterously strange as the 1904 St. Louis olympicon Olympic Marathon. There's your story. There's your Olympic story to celebrate the Olympics.
00:51:18
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What the hell, man? just It just kept getting weirder and weirder. Right. and How did Hicks recover from the poisoning? like I mean, he went to run- Two doses seems like maybe it'll kill you.
00:51:31
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Right. But I guess they were- so i don't I got no answers for you on that. Medicine in 1904, ladies and gentlemen. Strychnine and- Brandy. Brandy.
00:51:42
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And we're going to drag you. hey but move your legs like you're actually running. And we're going to drag you across the finish line. Because you could have two people hold you up in the Olympics back then. That was a thing. They were called handlers.
00:51:54
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That's amazing. Yeah. That is the only way that I could ever finish a marathon. Absolutely. So, you know. 24.8 miles. That's not even a it's not even a marathon. That's insane.
00:52:07
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Yeah. And I love that Carvajal was like, you know what? I'm going to stop and chat with people. I'm going to eat some fruit. And it's going to make me sick, so going to lay down and take a nap.
00:52:19
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And hey, I'm still going to come in fourth. He sounds like my kind of man. He is our kind of people, Sam. She's going to take a little nap real quick. You're going to love his story. I can't wait. Oh, my goodness.
00:52:31
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Hey, it's your turn. What a man. ah Well, mine's. as As per usual, mine's not quite as hilarious or uplifting. are you taking a left turn or a right turn?
00:52:45
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Not quite the last house on the left, but maybe their neighbor. Okay.
00:52:51
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I mean, it's not the worst one I've ever written. This one is no body, no murder. How do you feel about that sentence? it. love the name. I love the sentence.
00:53:05
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All right. So. I'm going to butcher these names, by the way. I don't know if you guys realize it. Butchered it. I don't even speak English very well. Apparently, I don't either. So here's the deal. Let's go.
John George Haigh: The Acid Bath Killer
00:53:20
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We're going to just go down in the Hall of Flame here. ah born 1909 in Stamfordshire, Lincolnshire, near Yorkshire. oh my God, that's a lot of shires. So many shires.
00:53:32
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You'd think you were in The Hobbit, right? when You get it? yeah Yes. I like what you did with that. You see? So many shires. Yes, England. ah John George Haig was raised by his strict Plymouth Brethren parents in a home that was far from welcoming.
00:53:49
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His parents built a 10-foot wall around their property to prevent, quote, contamination from the outside world. ah kind of support that.
00:54:02
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So many things. Not anything you say in the future do I support, but kind of like a wall around me. For clarification. Okay, I'm just saying.
00:54:13
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So although Haig...
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only, i guess if that's the correct way to say this, killed six people. His methods were inventive and creative.
00:54:28
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Have you ever heard of him? Not once. Okay. No. He was the first known killer to use acid to dissolve his victims, thus branding himself the acid bath killer.
00:54:40
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Okay, I know zero details about this, but I've heard of it before. i don't know anything about this, though. It was actually on my list of ones to do. oh But we'll strike that. It's too dark for you. It's strikeable.
00:54:54
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With a relatively unimpressive childhood and young adult life, he started his shenanigans shortly after his marriage in 1934. He started a company forging vehicle documents. He was caught and spent 15 months in jail.
00:55:07
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While in jail, his wife divorced him, which I have to make a side note here because so many of the stories that I have done, these people go to jail ah and so of the stories that we hear about so-and-so kill so-and-so or does something bad and their partner stays with them through their thing. They're just so loving and so supporting. This woman, she's like, nah, and the buzz off. I'm over this. I'm over this.
00:55:29
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Upon his release, he started a legitimate dry cleaning company with a friend. The company and Haig did surprisingly well until the sudden death of his partner in a motorcycle crash. You know, in our world, we call them donor cycles.
00:55:42
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um But i mean, saying that I love motorcycles. I think that if you respect the machine and you respect the road, then they are perfectly safe. But people do dumb things.
00:55:54
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the coum The company collapsed after that. Haig fell right into his comfort zone, starting to work more scams. His first job after the company failed was as a chauffeur chauffeur for the McSwan family.
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During this time, he was arrested again, this time for theft and fraud. he said He was sent to prison until 1940. Upon his release, he continued his scams and ended up back in prison shortly after.
00:56:19
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This sentence was only 21 months. In 1944, Haig bumped into William Donald McSwan, and the two went out to a bar. After drinking for a bit, Haig invited McSwan to his workshop at 79 Gloucester Road, where he smashed his head in and put his body in a, quote, water butt.
00:56:38
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Do you know what a water butt is, Jeff? Not clue. Okay. just hotel It's just a really fancy, stupid name for a big bucket that collects rainwater. He filled the bucket with sulfuric acid.
00:56:51
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Just where does this come from? Like it never, I tried to find where this came from, like, you know, and it it never explains where Haig Got these ideas, but it' yeah it's like, hey, I'm just going to kill this guy and and put him in a bucket full of acid.
00:57:11
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So we did. But as with many weird, crazy killers, Haig then went to visit the older McSwans who he had previously worked for as a chauffeur.
00:57:23
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It turns out that William was their son. He became close with the parents again, and then he informed them that William had run away to avoid being called up for military service in the war. 1944, 1945, you know, same things.
00:57:35
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He forged letters from William for over a year. Another really, like... recurrent theme is that these creeps forge letters from the people that they have killed or kidnapped. And like, it works for a relatively long period of time. Like if you ever start getting letters from me. Well, no, it was in the forties, right?
00:57:56
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Yeah. This one was, but think about the Fritzl, like yeah all the stories that I've told. I think there's, If I get a letter from you, I think I will immediately know whether or whether whether or whether or not it's from you. We're going to make a code so that if I ever do write a letter, I'm going like put a very normal sentence in there that my killer or kidnapper won't realize is actually a secret message to you saying I'm dead or dying or kidnapped. You put I hate potato chips.
00:58:26
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Oh, don't you say that?
00:58:29
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Anyway. In 1945, when the elder McSwans became suspicious, Haig ended the charade and killed both the McSwan elders. He bashed their skulls in as well, and then also shoved them in large drums full of acid.
00:58:45
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After he murdered them, he pretended to be William and gained legal control over their expansive estate and all their possessions. He sold everything and earned over 4,000 euros.
00:58:57
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At the time, that's a huge sum of money. He began his luxurious and glamorous lifestyle. He lived on their money for a few years after that, living in fancy hotels, wearing the finest clothing, and making himself well-known and liked in high society.
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In 1947, he met the Hendersons. He smoothly talked his way into a friendship with them and found out all he needed to know about their finances. Under the guise of being an inventor and businessman, he lured them one at a time to 79 Gloucester Road Workshop, where he used Mr. Henderson's own gun to shoot them each in the back of the head and again dispose of their bodies in acid-filled drums.
00:59:39
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He returned to his hotel, gained possession of all their valuables, sold them off, paid for his own hotel bill, and then lived on their wealth for a few more years. yeah This man is insane.
00:59:51
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The best part is that the way that people were describing him all like in interviews and everything, he was so well-liked. It's just he was a charmer.
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feel they always are. That's part of it, right? They either are charmers or they are like far other side of the spectrum where you know. You know that so-and-so is killing people and hiding bodies in their fridge. you know Have you ever met somebody and you think,
01:00:19
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h In 20 years, we're going to look back and say, yeah. I knew them before they were a serial killer. we thought that. Yeah. I got a couple people on that list. Thank you. In 1949, while living in yet another swanky hotel, Haig met the woman who would turn out to be his downfall.
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He met and befriended Olive, Henrietta, Olivia, Robert, Duran, Deacon, Can you say that one more time? Olive, Henrietta, Olivia, Robert, Duran, Deacon.
01:00:56
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What name. i love it. Just so classy. Yeah. I love it. Miss Olive was a 69-year-old widow who was also living in the hotel. They gradually became friends through mealtimes and passing interactions.
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On February 18th, 1949, he lured Sweet Olive to his workshop, shot her in the back of the head. He then stripped her of all her valuables, but left her close because that'd be creepy. like Yeah, nothing else is. I'm just picturing stripping a 69-year-old woman. That's creepy. Don't do that, John.
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Anyway, he took all her valuables, okay? um This included her fancy jewelry and her very well-known fur coat. He dumped her body in a 45-gallon corrosion-resistant drum and filled it with sulfuric acid. I was so hoping she would be the one that beat his ass. Wouldn't that have been lovely? Olive, just kicking ass. Yeah. No, unfortunately, she's dead. um He then returned to their hotel and enjoyed a full three-course dinner The next day, other hotel guests and residents started expressing concern at the obvious absence of Olive.
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On the second day after her sudden vanishing, Haig actually had the balls to drive Olive's friend to the police station and report the concerns. While at the station, he was interviewed by a detective sergeant, Lambourne.
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He was cool as a cucumber and wove his lie perfectly. Or so he thought. According to his story, he and Olive had had an appointment to meet and go over a project she was asking him to work on, but she never showed.
01:02:31
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That was the story that he stuck to. However, as Lamborn reported it, she did not like his demeanor and was immediately suspicious of him and his behavior, but she let him go.
01:02:43
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Haig left the police station, completely unaware that the police were currently pulling all of his records. He went back to his workshop to take part in his routine of emptying the sludge, as he called it, a.k.a.
01:02:54
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melted human flesh and remains, out of his acid drum. o He took Olive's belongings and went to get estimates on their value. Two days after his initial interaction with the police, they returned to his hotel slash home to question him again.
01:03:11
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He reiterated his story, almost verbatim, and claimed that he knew nothing of her whereabouts. The police left him again. And again, Haig was confident that he was untouchable. Two days later, on February 26th, they raided his workshop In the workshop, they found corrosive-resistant rubber gloves, an apron, a recently fired.38 caliber revolver, a dry-cleaning ticket for a black Persian lamb coat, and a gas mask.
01:03:43
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dut den That is like what detectives, I mean, can you imagine being the one to walk in on that? You just now know. You just know. Nothing good comes of that. Shit. It is like the movie Seven.
01:03:56
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oh Some of those crime scenes. What's in the box? Ay, ay, ay. What a great movie. Yeah. Fantastic. So good. Oh, so messed up. I love it. Like how we just, out we cringed and then we're like, oh, what a great movie. but We cringed. Yeah, we did.
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um On February 28th, he was invited to the police station to assist with their investigation. Isn't he lovely? Because he is one of the dumbest or most arrogant killers, he truly believed that he was just going there to help. He had no idea that they had raided his workshop, that that they knew all of this stuff.
01:04:34
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Then the ego got the best of him. He actually confessed to the murder of Olive and the Hendersons and the McSwans. During his confession, he stated, how can you even prove it's murder if there is no body?
01:04:49
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He also managed to confess to vampirism, which has been unsubstantiated, but there were tales that he told that he liked to drink the victim's blood before he acidized them.
01:05:05
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I love that word, acidity. I don't even think that's a word. I think I made it up. I mean, you got the point, didn't you? Got it. Thank you. His confession allowed the police to do a more thorough search of the workshop and to have a pathologist on site during the search.
01:05:19
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The pathologist immediately recognized a few gallstones on the ground outside the shed and then found a full set of dentures and a hat pin.
01:05:33
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He recognized gallstones. So this is where we need to take a minute to pause because gallstones, they did not dissolve in the sulfuric acid.
01:05:45
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Shut the fuck up. Those little suckers are fucking, whoa. I mean, just... Every patient I have from now on. Respect.
01:05:57
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Yeah. Respect, right? I'll be sure to tell them those motherfuckers are going to dissolve no matter what you do. No matter what you do. Sulfuric acid. in Just soaking in a vat. Anyway, by March 2nd,
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Haig, to his own disappointment, was charged and taken to jail, utterly bewildered at having been charged with all the murders that he had confessed to. Because again, no body, no murder.
01:06:24
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His trial started on July 18th, and the jury took 17 whole minutes to find him guilty on all charges. Boom. On August 10th, 1949, John Haig, the original acid bath killer, was hanged for his crimes.
01:06:38
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What date? August 10th, 1949.
01:06:43
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So thank goodness for the arrogance of men and the durability of gallstones. Amen. And Olivia's for a coat. Olive. Her name is Olive. Oh, sorry. Olive. I mean, her name is.
01:06:56
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What was her name again?
01:07:00
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Olive Henrietta, Olivia, Robert, Duran, Deacon. Fantastic. Right? I knew you'd like that one. know. He just killed all those people just for brutality and just money. Just for money.
01:07:13
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Instead of getting a ah normal job. And I just, I wish that there had been some explanation of how he got on. Like, cause there was no really background on him. You know, um, a lot of these people that I talk about, they, they tell the horrible stories of their childhood and all of the warning signs are, of course they're torturing little animals or, you know, their dad beat them or whatever.
01:07:34
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There wasn't any of that. It was just their family was strict and they didn't let him interact with the outside world. and then he turned into a acid bath killer. Okay. I take it back about the wall. i mean, if you do it, just yeah don't melt people.
01:07:48
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God, that's horrible. Good job. Thank you. I applaud you. Yes. What else do we have? Um, you know, I have to say something.
Acknowledgments and Podcast Reflections
01:08:00
Speaker
I, I had somebody that I wanted to give a shout out to, but I can't for the life of me remember who it is right now.
01:08:06
Speaker
Uh, so whoever I was thinking about, just know that I was thinking about you. I'm not currently cause I can't remember who you are, but. Came in with that fast, huh?
01:08:17
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Okay. But you know who we want to thank? Cause I know they're going to help us with this. Our dear sweet friend, Alan and Ashley. Yes. We love you. thank you for helping us.
01:08:30
Speaker
but Actually, that did come up. um Someone was asking, you know, as as more and more people find out about this podcast, um they always ask, you know, how do you make this work? And the truth is maybe, maybe in a distant future, Jeff and I could have figured this out.
01:08:46
Speaker
ah We probably would have had to pay someone to to help us with this process. But Alan, you... have made this possible. And you know, he, he does it because he really is just such a good person, but he also knows that I don't want to have anything to do with knowing how many people listen or anything like that. Like, I just want to put this out there, show people who we are ah invite people to come along with us and enjoy this little thing because
01:09:18
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you know We don't watch the news because there's so much. It only shows the horrible stuff in the world. And this is why we do this. Because because my stories are so not horrible. Well, there are stories from the past, right? The news is bad shit in your face all the time. And so come along with us for this little brief moment of distraction destructionion and two friends, chairs, queersing it and flipping a coin and telling a story. And yeah, so that's it.
01:09:45
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But follow the show. um Thanks for listening, guys. Thank you for listening. And we'll meet again next time. And I just butchered that last. We'll meet again next time. Down the Hall of Flame.