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Episode 7 – Early‑Mid Season NHL Analysis and Olympic Drama
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Leo and Lando break down the biggest storylines of the NHL’s early‑mid season: Canadian teams sliding, the Avalanche dominating, and Tampa Bay roaring back. They tackle the referee controversy that has fans buzzing, debate Team Canada’s Olympic roster with rising stars like Macklin Celebrini and Jakob Chychrun, and dig into concerns over Milan’s unfinished Olympic hockey venue. From hot streaks to cold collapses, this episode has all the drama on and off the ice.
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Transcript
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Leo Ernewein
One.
Introduction to Episode 7 & Hockey Theme
00:00:10
Leo Ernewein
Hello, hello, welcome back to the Leo and Lando show.
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Lando
Thank
00:00:12
Leo Ernewein
I'm your host, Leo Ornewein, and of course, I'm joined by co-host Landon Lando, Seminoff Episode 7 folks here. We're closing on the end of 2025, just past American Thanksgiving, and today we're talking hockey.
00:00:26
Leo Ernewein
We'll be diving into some early mid-season analysis of the NHL, the biggest surprises and disappointments, and of course, the Olympics coming up in February with all the drama around the rosters, and Maybe a little bit about the venues too. Lando, how are you?
00:00:41
Lando
Well, man, I'm doing really good. Nice nice to be back with you. um and Like I told you off off off recording, that got a little bit got a little sick over the last this last week, so yeah which is a little too bad. But I'm on the mend, which is nice. so But otherwise, but it's been good. ah Good weekend of football, good weekend of hockey. it's been It's a great time in the year to be a a football fan and a hockey fan.
00:01:11
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, just an overall good time year for the sports, that's for sure. And yeah, as you mentioned during our pregame pep talk there that you weren't feeling well, but glad to hear that it tell you're the back end of that, right?
00:01:22
Leo Ernewein
So at least.
00:01:24
Lando
Yep. No, it it it it isn't. There's lots of funny things going around. So that's which is too bad, but it is what it is. at least I'm not sick over Christmas. That's the main thing.
00:01:35
Leo Ernewein
Exactly. Exactly.
NHL Officiating Controversies
00:01:38
Leo Ernewein
wellll We'll jump into segment number one here. It consists of and NHL officiating drama. Let's start with the refs. They've been under the microscope this season, a little bit of missed calls, endless amounts of reviews.
00:01:49
Leo Ernewein
You know, is the refs just managing relationships with players or does it cross a line? Like there was that instance there with the Leafs and Capitals game where Kelly Sutherland told Trevor Van Riemsdyk that he owed him one after a blown call, right?
00:02:03
Leo Ernewein
Fans went kind of nuts after that.
00:02:03
Lando
yeah
00:02:04
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Do you think officiating is catching so much heat right now for good for a valid reason there, Lando?
00:02:12
Lando
I think it is. Yeah, I think what's – I know we talked about this in the a little bit in our first episode. And one of the things that I've i've noticed as ah as a referee is – is And it's also driving me nuts at the same time is that they're trying to game manage instead of calling the calling the game and calling the rule book. And when when i when I've been watching, oh I've watched a lot of hockey. And what i'm what I'm seeing in the NHL is they're calling these dinky hooks, trips, slashes, and, you know,
00:02:56
Lando
minor little roughs or whatever, right? And what they're they're not calling is an example was when Mikko Rantanen hit Matt Coronado from behind.
00:03:07
Lando
i don't know i don't know what what that... I forget what referee that was, but I don't know what he was looking at. I mean, the puck is right by where Coronado is.
00:03:18
Lando
Rantanen comes from the center ice or from the middle of the ice into... Coronado from behind and just throws him into the glass from behind and not one arm is up. And I'm thinking to myself, what are you guys doing? What are you looking at? And so, oh, we got to go back into review.
00:03:34
Lando
Well, why do you have to review it? The only thing you should be reviewing is, is it violent enough to warrant a five minute? It should have been a two for sure, but it's that type of stuff that is driving me nuts in the NHL. And the other thing that's... is really frustrating me is that these guys are supposed to be the best of the best in North America.
00:04:00
Lando
and And I get, you know, they're getting pressure from their employer, which is the NHL. And, and I get that, you know, they, that, you know, the NHL calls the shots, but at the same time, the referee,
00:04:15
Lando
association and their union needs to step up and say no we need to call the rules a little bit more than what you want and so what the and nhl wants is that like i said on the top they want them to gain managed so they want you to you know a minimum three four penalties a period well you can't you can't call rule you can't call the game like that like it's it's it's just it's very frustrating as a fan And I know, Leo, you're frustrated when you watch some of the games too. And you can see it on the players and the coaches. Like, they're they're they're not sure what's being called. So, to your question, Leo, I i don't know what the answer is to that. Other than i i just – I think they're trying to do their best with what they're what the cards that they're dealt with. But they're not even doing that right.
00:05:07
Lando
What do you think? Like, am I off base?
Impact of Gambling on NHL Transparency
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Lando
Am i wrong?
00:05:12
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, I don't know, man. I think with the and NHL and all the sports leagues being tied so closely to gambling, I think now that gambling's involved, they the league should be way more strict about what refs say, even if it's just banter between players and and refs, right? Like, they it's, you know, it's they're they're walking a fine line ever since they introduced gambling into sports and officiating is has taken a the brunt of people's criticism because of because of that stuff. and I don't know, man. I'm not sure if there is an answer right now out there right now, but I think some fans are comparing it to like the Tim Peel situation back in 2021 was...
00:05:54
Lando
yeah
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Leo Ernewein
when he was a admitted to he wanted to call a penalty against Nashville just to get one in early, quote unquote. And that sort of ended his career as a ref. um You think Sutherland's comments was anywhere near that level?
00:06:09
Lando
No.
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Leo Ernewein
No. Okay. Right.
00:06:11
Lando
No, I don't. No, the only thing is, is i with Tim Peel though, he He had his mic on where Kelly Sutherland, he didn't.
00:06:22
Lando
At least I don't think he did, right?
00:06:23
Leo Ernewein
Right.
00:06:24
Lando
So that's the only difference.
00:06:25
Leo Ernewein
No, I think Kelly's cellulence was picked up by a hot mic somewhere else, whereas Tim Peel's was a hot mic on Tim Peel.
00:06:29
Lando
Yeah, around the rink, yeah.
00:06:32
Leo Ernewein
yes Yeah, so I don't know.
00:06:33
Lando
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:06:36
Leo Ernewein
Do you think this is something that happens every night and it only kind of is getting noticed because it got recorded?
00:06:43
Lando
I don't know. i I hope this is only a one-off. That's what I think. i I really do. um i think it was just, you know, just it got caught on ah on on the mic, and it wasn't the stadium microphone, thankfully, but it was like the inside-the-glass microphones that they do for their, you know, whether it's like an HBO thing or whatever, right?
00:07:10
Lando
But... um
00:07:11
Leo Ernewein
yeah
00:07:12
Lando
I hope this is a one-off thing. And I'll be honest with you. I like Kelly Southern. I like how he calls the calls games and stuff. I like how you can you can hear him on broadcast calling guys to get out of the crease and move the puck.
00:07:26
Lando
I like him. I think he's a good referee. i also like i
00:07:29
Leo Ernewein
Me too. and like
00:07:31
Lando
I'm a huge fan of Wes McCauley, too.
00:07:31
Leo Ernewein
What?
00:07:34
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, well, Wes McCauley's one of my favorites. and you know i Mostly because of the the viral clips, I can't say I judge officiating nearly on the same level as someone like you would watching the game, right?
00:07:47
Leo Ernewein
Because you've been in their shoes.
00:07:48
Lando
right
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Leo Ernewein
I haven't. It's, it's a, it's a different level. So I, that's high praise coming from you to say that Kelly Sutherland is, has earned his stripes,
00:08:01
Lando
He has.
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Leo Ernewein
um
00:08:02
Lando
Yeah.
00:08:02
Leo Ernewein
which which is a good thing. So yeah. Do you want to jump into segment two here before or something you want to,
00:08:06
Lando
Yeah, man. Yeah.
00:08:08
Leo Ernewein
You want to touch base on notes?
00:08:09
Lando
No.
00:08:09
Leo Ernewein
that We'll jump into segment two. Okay.
00:08:11
Lando
Yeah. I like I i just wanted to jump in into segment two. I just.
00:08:17
Leo Ernewein
Yep.
00:08:18
Lando
i just it just It drives me nuts when I see guys like... And and I don't think Mikko ranted him had to do what he did. i think I think he did two stupid checking from behinds, and I don't think he'll ever do that again.
00:08:31
Lando
um But it just frustrates me when I see guys getting absolutely paced into the wall or where the guys are going get hurt and no penalties are called, but yet they call these little dinky high sticks.
00:08:39
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, didn't Rantanen get suspended for that because of the game misconduct, not because of NHL disciplinary reasons for the hit?
00:08:43
Lando
And it's like, why? Right? So...
00:08:48
Leo Ernewein
It was because it was like a certain amount of game misconducts within a certain amount of games or something like that.
00:08:57
Lando
He should have gotten three games. I think he should have gotten suspended in three games. That was Kelly Selleron.
00:09:01
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:09:03
Lando
Or, sorry, Mikko Ranton. My apologies.
00:09:05
Leo Ernewein
At least send a little bit of ah a message, right?
00:09:07
Lando
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:08
Leo Ernewein
And not just, well, whoops, whatever.
00:09:09
Lando
Yeah.
00:09:11
Lando
yeah
00:09:12
Leo Ernewein
um But yeah, I guess we'll jump into segment two now as a as we record this here. Montreal, the only Canadian team sitting in a
Challenges Facing the Vancouver Canucks
00:09:20
Leo Ernewein
playoff spot. What's going on with those Canadian squads across the NHL? Is it pressure? Is it bad luck? Or are they just not as strong as they used to be?
00:09:28
Leo Ernewein
We'll start with the Vancouver Canucks there. Orlando, what's your take?
00:09:31
Lando
well for vancouver therere are a they're in a big big mass aren't they like they i I know when when you you and I did our season preview, we thought that they would be kind of, you know, they wouldn't be, you know, great or outstanding, but they'd be, you know, they'd they'd hold their own and they'd challenge a playoff spot. But what's happened with the Vancouver Canucks, and this is years of of, you know, not very smart management, is they've tried to get players...
00:10:05
Lando
Into their organization to challenge for a playoff spot and they have not nothing in behind them. I mean yesterday when the cult their Abbotsford Canucks win the Calder trophy last year. Yeah, they did.
00:10:19
Lando
um why That was the American Hockey League. I mean, some of the guys that are playing on the Canucks this year played on that Coler Cup team. So, I mean, i get I get what they're trying to do. But at the same time, this has been years of fans and, you know, radio show hosts um saying that Vancouver needs to rebuild.
00:10:41
Lando
like they really need to redo things they need to get better draft picks they need to do a whole bunch of things and so what's happening to vancouver it's just very very bad mismanagement of players and they've let miller go they've let a couple other guys go um over over the last couple couple years and now they're being paid for it and now Rumor has it that Kiefer or ah yeah, Kiefer Sherwood is being possibly being dealt to the, to again traded.
00:11:16
Lando
So for Vancouver, it's just, it started, it started with, you know, Demko being hurt. And then a number of other guys got hurt. Like a Filipino has got another concussion.
00:11:28
Lando
And so he's like for Vancouver, they're in, they're in a lot of trouble and, What's sad is they've got one of the best players on on the team and in the league, and Quinn Hughes, and he may not even be there anymore.
00:11:42
Lando
And so he does.
00:11:43
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, he looks miserable, doesn't he?
00:11:46
Lando
Like, he looks frustrated. I mean, I would be frustrated. I mean, I like the Canucks. But they they are a very frustrating team. And ah and are one of our guests, Kyle Bacni, is a big fan of Vancouver. And boy, oh boy, do I i hear it from him all the time that about this organization. like he just He says, I have no hope in this organization. I'm like, you know what? I am actually starting to believe you. Because it's just they're they're not showing the results. and And the guys I feel for who have signed long term is DeBrusque and Pedersen.
00:12:21
Lando
And they may be their careers, you know, their prime of their careers may be washed away because the poor mismanagement of Vancouver and, you know, of not drafting well and not getting players through the system and and all that stuff. It's just now it's showing. And.
00:12:44
Lando
You know, the ownership also let Trevor Linden go. And Trevor Linden, a number of years ago, and you probably recall this, Leo, that Linden says we got it developed through the draft. Well, the ownership didn't like that, and they punted him.
00:12:58
Lando
and And then so this Patrick Alvind says, well, I can turn this organization around, and we don't need to do that. Well, enough yeah, you do, because now it's showing that you don't have anything underneath to fill in those spots.
00:13:13
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, it's just kind of like a revolving door of organizational turnover and not good player development. And yeah it is a shame to see. And, you know, it it for me, when Thatcher Demko still on the injury reserve, like your starting goaltender is out.
00:13:34
Leo Ernewein
And then you're having backup goaltender problems with Kevin Lankanen, you know, having some off ice stuff that he, some personal reasons that he had to step away for. and You know, they got Yuri Pitarra in that again, who was like the Abbotsford starter for a couple years.
00:13:51
Leo Ernewein
i You know, it's, it's hard to expect to win games when you're kind of constantly patching stuff over on the, on the goaltending side and, And yeah, your offense isn't great.
00:14:02
Leo Ernewein
Brock Besser also, he's he's playing well, but the the team just can't get consistent center play to play alongside Besser. And, you know, he I think Besser has like seven assists recently over a certain amount of games.
00:14:17
Leo Ernewein
And and all the centers that he's playing with had zero or something like that.
00:14:21
Lando
Yeah.
00:14:22
Leo Ernewein
So it wasn't great. And then you were mentioning um sure Sherwood getting a lot of interest on the trade market, right? There was an article... I think posted today or yesterday about like Gino Retta and Pierre Lebrun talking about, you know, which teams would give up, uh, what for, key for, uh, Kiefer Sherwood, you know, whether it be one of the Minnesota wild or Montreal Canadians, uh, you know, stuff like that.
00:14:48
Leo Ernewein
Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's looking pretty gloomy out there for Vancouver and, It's kind of dark. Most of the Canadian team has been sliding hard though. The Maple Leafs dipped their playoff percentage, dropped 30 points in playoff odds. Winnipeg 24, Vancouver 20, Edmonton 16.
00:15:08
Leo Ernewein
Calgary's their playoff odds are basically
Oilers' Goaltending & Playoff Concerns
00:15:10
Leo Ernewein
cooked. Well, the recent play has kind of got them above 500, but um we'll move on to the Oilers here. Their situation looks pretty dire as well. Embarrassed by the stars on national TV.
00:15:22
Leo Ernewein
Goaltending and defense looking pretty un and untenable. you think they'll wait too long to fix it and miss the playoffs, wasting another year of McDavid, or what's going to happen here?
00:15:31
Lando
I think, yeah. I can mean, right? I mean, good for Stuart Skitter. He got a shout-out over weekend. uh,
00:15:41
Lando
But, I mean, is he part to blame in this situation? Yes, he is. Because, he I mean, he he has been so inconsistent. It's been painful to watch, like, as far as goaltending. But they're also not helping him out very much either, right? then And their defense has been horrendous. Like, i I don't know what what they see in Nurse and Bouchard. like I don't understand what what they see in those two.
00:16:13
Lando
And and they you know the problem is now Bouchard signed a three-year $25 million dollars contract. He's not worth that amount of money.
00:16:24
Lando
like it's Yeah.
00:16:25
Leo Ernewein
No, but it's a bridge deal. that I mean, somebody was going probably pay him higher if he went to the open market just based off his potential, based off his rookie year, based off...
00:16:27
Lando
yeah.
00:16:33
Lando
yeah
00:16:38
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, I don' i don't know, man. I agree that I don't think he's worth that, but the the the market for right-shot D-men is thin, man.
00:16:43
Lando
But, I mean,
00:16:47
Lando
oh, it is. that's
00:16:47
Leo Ernewein
Even if they are in a defensive liability at the defensive positions.
00:16:52
Lando
Yeah, no, it's true. And so, you know, and and so they've got a lot of money tied in. And like we talked about in our in our pre-gate in our pre-season show, you know, the the Oilers have lost – a lot of players since their two Stanley Cup runs. I mean, I'll list them off real quick. Like Kane is gone.
00:17:16
Lando
Perry is gone. McLeod is gone. um Holloway and Broberg are gone. Brown is gone. Like, I mean, those are a lot of, and know why and now Troy Stetcher is gone. That's a lot of your grit gone.
00:17:34
Lando
And, and so, And those were the players that helped you get to the Stanley Cup finals. And they're gone.
00:17:43
Leo Ernewein
And Corey Perry leaving.
00:17:43
Lando
And so...
00:17:44
Leo Ernewein
Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
00:17:46
Lando
um Yeah, with Corey Perry leaving, like that's a big void. Kane is gone. That's a big void. So they've lost a lot of... um A lot of grit and a lot of speed. And it's showing. Now, I know they have Jack Groslick who got hurt.
00:18:01
Lando
Andrew Maggiapane has been okay. um but And now they got Zach Hyman back. But they don't have a lot of depth. and and And I think what's happening in Edmonton, too, is I think McDavid and Dreisaitl are getting tired.
00:18:15
Lando
Like, i've they've played a lot of hockey. the last couple of years and McDavid's got more hockey coming up here with the Olympics. Right. So I don't know.
00:18:23
Leo Ernewein
yeah
00:18:23
Lando
with Ed, with Edmonton, I think their time to shine the last couple of years is, I think it's calling her quits basically.
00:18:33
Leo Ernewein
the the doors the window is shutting eh so with Corey Perry leaving to me that should have been the glaring you know because didn't he have that statistic where he made like the finals like six years in a row or something like that and so if if I was a betting man I saw him out the door I'd be like oh I guess uh
00:18:35
Lando
Yeah.
00:18:46
Lando
Yep, yeah, yeah.
00:18:54
Leo Ernewein
no longer betting on the Oilers to make the cup final or,
Maple Leafs' Leadership and Defense Issues
00:18:58
Leo Ernewein
or something. Do you know where he went?
00:19:00
Lando
Los Angeles Kings.
00:19:02
Leo Ernewein
The Kings. Okay. Yeah. um Yeah. I mean, the it' it's tough, tough go for the, for the Oilers and other Canadian teams and, You know, Stuart Skinner with the consistency issues doesn't help either.
00:19:15
Leo Ernewein
And speaking of, you know, somebody who's usually pretty consistent, Winnipeg without Connor Hellebuck, they look pretty lost, right? Is this a goalie problem for the team or are they is it roster issue?
00:19:24
Lando
Oh, yeah. Well, they got both. They have goaltending issues and a roster issue. So i was the I was watching Craig Button on...
00:19:39
Lando
um the Jay Onright on SportsCenter Jay Onright. And one of the things that Craig Button brought up, and I didn't think about this, but he said the biggest problem in Winnipeg is, yeah, Connor Hellebuck not being there, but then he says their second line has been a no-show, Perfetti, Taze, and Nemestikoff.
00:19:49
Leo Ernewein
Thank you.
00:20:02
Lando
And he he said that they've had Very little goals and very little production from them. And so what he says, what's happening, and I agree with,
00:20:15
Lando
um it puts a lot of pressure on Shifley, Velarde and Connor to score a lot of the goals.
00:20:22
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:20:22
Lando
And so when, when you don't have your consistent lines producing, it's really, really hard for Winnipeg to be consistent. And that's, what's happening to them is they just, they don't have, they're another team that just doesn't have the depth anymore. And, and it's showing and the guys that were,
00:20:44
Lando
having career years last year, are not having it this year. And so there they better hope Carter Hellebuck's injury isn't ah you know as serious as it is because I think he's supposed to be back maybe a little after Christmas.
00:21:00
Lando
But by then, they could be out of the playoffs by then, right? Or not even be able to catch up to the playoffs, right?
00:21:03
Leo Ernewein
yeah
00:21:06
Lando
So I don't know. And Comrie and that Milich guy, he's they're not the answers, at least not right now.
00:21:15
Leo Ernewein
No, Comrie's save percentage below 900, 3.3 goals against average. um His five-on-five record is just it's just masking how bad his play has been, and You know, Millich isn't doing much better either, right?
00:21:32
Leo Ernewein
But Millich is only 22, so there's hope for Thomas.
00:21:34
Lando
Yeah.
00:21:35
Leo Ernewein
And I think Thomas Millich, was he not the Canadian goalie at the World Juniors couple years ago?
00:21:40
Lando
He was. Yep.
00:21:41
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, that's Millich, okay.
00:21:41
Lando
Yep. Yep.
00:21:43
Leo Ernewein
yeah um Yeah, I mean, it's a tough goal. The Jets, you know, they just got embarrassed on Monday night against the Sabres. And before that, they just snapped a four-game losing streak with a 5-2 win over the Nashville Preds.
00:21:58
Leo Ernewein
But, yeah you know, they they're lacking some consistency too, right? So it's it's a tough go for them. Anything else you want to add in in on the Jets there?
00:22:08
Lando
No, that's it, man. i i'd be ah If I'm a Jets fan, I'd be a little worried about them. I really would.
00:22:15
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Well, what about the Maple Leafs? Anything you want to touch base on them? They're playing right now, I believe. I think they were. Up 2-0 last time I checked on the Panthers. Yeah, 2-0. And I also saw in the media today that Brad Marchand said that, you know, you need to find a new job if you think the Maple Leafs' playoff chances are out the window or something something along those lines, which he he thinks they are done and dusted. And, you know, it's still way too early to judge. so And that's an NHL vet that usually, wouldn't say he hates that team, but he loves to kind of antagonize or instigate some stuff in the Toronto media, don't you think?
00:22:53
Leo Ernewein
So,
00:22:54
Lando
Yeah, he does. I like the guy. i I've become ah more and more of a fan of as years have gone on.
00:22:56
Leo Ernewein
Yeah?
00:23:01
Lando
that now that
00:23:01
Leo Ernewein
Ever since he left Boston.
00:23:03
Lando
yeah well
00:23:03
Leo Ernewein
so
00:23:04
Lando
Not so much with Boston. When he was with Boston, he was fine. i mean He had his stupid antics with the licking. and i mean We won't get into that.
00:23:13
Lando
but Yeah. liked you know i i i like you know Brad Marchand sticking up with with a couple the guys there. That's good. i mean Good on him. He's being honest. and you know He considers them still ah a tough team to play. That's great. I think that's good on him. That just shows you how much growing up he's done. and He's my age too, which is kind of funny.
00:23:13
Leo Ernewein
The Canadians fans hate him.
00:23:39
Lando
but but As far as the Toronto Maple Leafs go, i mean now that they've won three in a row, four in a row, it's not looking as bad, but The biggest problem in Toronto, and we talked about this again in our in our season preview episode, is the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs is the last nine years, they've tried to go at it and go at it and go at it, and they've just bounced out of the first round or the second round. and Mostly the first round. And they've had goaltending issues, they've had player personnel issues. They've gone through a number of coaches.
00:24:17
Lando
And so at what point do you say our roster is not the roster that is going to get us over the hump? And it just shows you how much Mitch Marner is missed on the team, right?
00:24:29
Lando
how much and And he was the scapegoat in Toronto for a number of years. And now it's showing that he's not the problem.
00:24:34
Leo Ernewein
Oh yeah.
00:24:38
Lando
or he wasn't the problem. And if I had a chance to actually go up to him and say, Mitch, I was one of those people on the outside that said that you were a problem. I am so sorry.
00:24:51
Lando
Because he's not the problem. The problem...
00:24:53
Leo Ernewein
I think Mitch would asked you what city you live in.
00:24:53
Lando
the
00:24:55
Leo Ernewein
you said Banff or Calgary or something, he wouldn't have cared with a slight.
00:24:55
Lando
Yeah, that's true.
00:25:00
Leo Ernewein
You know what I mean? Like, you're not the problem either, bud. That's what his response would have been.
00:25:04
Lando
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:06
Lando
ah ah Yeah, so...
00:25:08
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, the Toronto media, man, they thieved that guy for sure.
00:25:13
Lando
Oh, they threw him... They pretty much threw him in a garbage bag, tied him up, and tossed him out the door, out the door down the garbage chute, into the dump.
00:25:24
Lando
That's basically what they did.
00:25:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, and they lit him on fire before they tossed him out the door, too.
00:25:27
Lando
Yeah, that too. They added that too. But the prominent the other problem in Toronto, Leo... They've never had a Norris Trophy winning defenseman since Thomas Cabriolet and Brian McCabe.
00:25:39
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. I love Thomas Caverly.
00:25:41
Lando
Right? I did too.
00:25:42
Leo Ernewein
Brian McKee, yeah.
00:25:44
Lando
Yeah. They've never had, they haven't had a Norris Trophy winner since.
00:25:47
Leo Ernewein
And I thought Morgan Riley was going to be that guy.
00:25:52
Lando
I don't know what they were looking at.
00:25:52
Leo Ernewein
i really thought he was, man. And, like, he's not not bad, but he's just not on the level that I thought they were going to get.
00:25:55
Lando
Well, you know what?
00:26:01
Leo Ernewein
I think he was a top five pick. I think he went fourth overall to the team.
00:26:04
Lando
Yeah.
00:26:05
Leo Ernewein
and And for a while there, he was looking like it. He yeah he was looking like he was going to fulfill that potential. And right now, like, I think he he's a good defender, but I don't think he'd be a top two defender on on some playoff-making teams right now.
00:26:22
Lando
No.
00:26:23
Lando
And and i i think he's a big, hit I think he's a little bit of a liability there too. Like I i remember watching him this was a couple years ago when Colin i Kyle Bakney and I went on that trip.
00:26:23
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:26:36
Lando
And I remember watching him against the New York Islanders when we went and saw the Toronto Maple Leafs.
00:26:36
Leo Ernewein
Oh, yeah.
00:26:41
Lando
And I was just like, my goodness. I mean, he can pass the puck, no problem, but he's just like, he's a defensive liability. He's offense, but he has no defensive of liabilities.
00:26:52
Lando
Like, Like he just, yeah, it's, he he's a problem on this team. and and And also I think with Morgan Riley too, it's between the years too. And it's it's the same it's the same with William Nylander.
00:27:06
Lando
William Nylander is the same problem. Definitely Austin Matthews. Like i ah how how they how the team picked him to be captain, he he's not a leader.
00:27:17
Lando
He's never had, he's never been a leader.
00:27:20
Leo Ernewein
No, he has like three boys and then there it's just he's like a clique group game kind of guy.
00:27:20
Lando
So you're asking him to, yeah, yeah.
00:27:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:27:25
Lando
Yeah. So when, when you have him as captain, he has no leadership skills.
00:27:33
Leo Ernewein
No, because half the room don't respect him.
00:27:33
Lando
And so, yeah.
00:27:36
Leo Ernewein
Or doesn't, yeah.
00:27:37
Lando
Yeah. So it's, it's, it's a mess in Toronto. And I, I, I feel for Craig Brubay because I i mean, i if I was him, I, I can't believe he hasn't lost all of his hair with these guys.
00:27:49
Lando
Cause it's like, it's, it's,
00:27:51
Leo Ernewein
Apparently at practice, somebody crashed into him today and he almost got hurt.
00:27:54
Lando
Yeah, Morgan Riley did.
00:27:56
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, that's what it was.
00:27:56
Lando
Morgan Riley.
00:27:57
Leo Ernewein
Right, yeah.
00:27:57
Lando
Yeah. So I don't know, man. Toronto, they're in trouble too. Although, know what? Maybe they might turn a corner. Maybe they just just, you know, bad luck to start with. But I just know that when Anthony Stoller has called out William Leylander at the start, I thought, uh-oh, they're they're They've got room issues.
00:28:20
Lando
If Stolarz is doing this, uh-oh, they're in trouble.
00:28:21
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:28:26
Lando
So that's my take on Toronto. I i think the Leafs are in big trouble. i I do. Even though that they're on a kind of a little mini game mini winning streak, but they've got more problems on that team than... like theyve they They're another one who needs to look at what they're doing and rebuild too because...
00:28:48
Lando
it it's It's not working there anymore. The guys they have there, it's just not working.
00:28:54
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, it's um it's it's sad to see as a Leafs fan for sure. But I did expect, you know, an overall offensive hit with Marner leaving because obviously his talents, he's he's a talented player. There's no denying that. I mean, I spoke to a lot of Leafs fans and they said they won't miss the turnovers.
00:29:15
Leo Ernewein
And speaking of, I did see one where the Vegas was playing against Flyers and in overtime.
Canadian Teams' Playoff Odds
00:29:22
Leo Ernewein
Marner picked it up behind the net and just stick handle dropped, like basically left it on a platter for one of the Flyers players that picked it up and scored. And I just thought, oh, geez. It's a tough go. is there Is there anything you want to touch about on the Senators at all there, Landon?
00:29:40
Lando
Um, not much with them. i i mean, I, I don't think there is, they're in a bad with Ottawa. I don't think they're as bad of at like, they're in the mix.
00:29:53
Lando
I think now that Matthew or Matthew Brady could truck is back. I think that's going to help. Um, they just, they've had a lot of inconsistent play and they've had a lot of bad luck.
00:29:59
Leo Ernewein
Mm-hmm.
00:30:04
Lando
And, and I think, On paper, they're not a bad team. I really don't. I don't think Ottawa is, you know, very far off from a playoff spot. But I think they just they've had bad luck. But I think, you know, like they're they're holding their own like they're they're a very competitive team.
00:30:23
Lando
And i think they've got ah as far as all the Canadian teams go, they've got a lot of upside still. and And that's just my take with Ottawa. um But again, i do, too.
00:30:34
Leo Ernewein
I like their roster. i I agree. I think, you know, they're good.
00:30:37
Lando
Yeah.
00:30:39
Leo Ernewein
They've got room to improve, but they're still, they're young.
00:30:44
Lando
Yeah.
00:30:45
Leo Ernewein
um You know, and I think I read an article earlier where their that their head coach, Travis Green, was guiding them to like lots of top five percentages and in defensive metrics.
00:30:56
Leo Ernewein
They're playing sound defensive hockey, which I think that's, you know, that's hard to beat.
00:30:56
Lando
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:31:03
Leo Ernewein
even with lucky bounces and stuff like that, you sort of limit your mistakes, right? You, you make the other team outwork you if they want to win the game, you make the other team get, you know, lucky and stuff like that.
00:31:07
Lando
Yeah.
00:31:14
Leo Ernewein
Or yeah, it's just, it's just harder to to win against the stuff like that. I'll see if I can find any statistics to back that up. And so far I'm not reading much. um
00:31:23
Lando
That's okay. Yeah, that's okay. But, I mean, with Ottawa too, what's what's not helping them right now is that Boston's playing out of their minds right now too, right? So that's kind of...
00:31:34
Leo Ernewein
I don't get how Boston's still so good.
00:31:35
Lando
Yeah.
00:31:35
Leo Ernewein
I was so used to when I saw them in the standings last year that I was like, yes, yes, the Boston sports team is sucking.
00:31:43
Lando
Yeah.
00:31:44
Leo Ernewein
And I don't care if they're going to get a top five pick and they're gonna you know, steal a pick in the draft or whatever, or get the best player, even though, you know, I don't think they did or anything, not to say that they did, but traditionally, I just think that Boston teams are really well run sports organizations, as you've probably heard in our past,
00:32:02
Leo Ernewein
podcasts, right? That, um, that even if they do bad, they're somehow going to still bounce back and do well the next year.
00:32:03
Lando
Yeah.
00:32:10
Leo Ernewein
And I think this is just case in point to that stupid.
00:32:13
Lando
There's something in the water in Boston, let me tell you.
00:32:14
Leo Ernewein
Um, you, you mentioned the Islanders previously when you said that you were watching, um, was it Matthews or the Maple Leafs play against the Islanders?
00:32:16
Lando
I don't know what it is.
00:32:24
Lando
Yeah.
00:32:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Yeah. I want to quickly talk about the the first overall pick, though, Matt Schaefer, and how a year that he's having at his age, right? Like, what was it, 18 points?
00:32:33
Lando
Yeah.
00:32:35
Leo Ernewein
and so was it eighteen points I think it was 18 points in 25 games. And I saw a statistic comparing him to Quinn Hughes at Quinn Hughes at this age, and also Kale McCarr at this age.
00:32:48
Leo Ernewein
And, like, the statistic was insane because both those players, Quinn Hughes was still playing, I think, at Michigan. and Cale McCarr was playing in the AJHL, and it showed their numbers, and one of the top comments was, hey, chat, is, you know, Cale McCarr's AJHL numbers better than, he didn't even say AJHL numbers, he just said, is Cale McCarr's statistics better than Matt Schaefer's statistics at this age, and somebody pointed out, hey, man, Cale McCarr was playing in the AJHL, Matt Schaefer's in this show right now, like,
00:33:23
Leo Ernewein
you can't compare them. but What do you think about Matt Schaefer so far? Like, he's looking incredible, isn't he
00:33:29
Lando
he is man i matthew schaefer is is so much fun to watch like he really is um he reminds me of so much of kale mccarr and you know it's a really neat story because he lost his mom before i think it was before his draft before he got drafted and
00:33:52
Lando
He was bawling his eyes out at the draft. And it it really touched my heart because when I see stuff like that, it's really neat to um see guys make it to the and NHL bit and against all the odds. And so he's playing like a first-round draft pick, and he's really turned the New York Islanders around.
00:34:16
Lando
He really has. like it theyve they're playing They're playing really, really well right now.
00:34:23
Leo Ernewein
They are, man, and it's it's it's nice to see, and yeah, it was kind of a heart-wrenching story to to see during the draft. ah Real quick, I'm just going to jump ship to the to the Flames here, because even though I know you didn't have much on them in the and the breakdown, but I think their recent stretch of play deserve deserves at least a little bit of talking about, right?
00:34:44
Lando
Yeah.
00:34:44
Leo Ernewein
They were 1-1 in their last six. They've got points in five out of their last six games, and You know, there are two games ahead of of most teams right now when it comes to games played.
00:34:56
Leo Ernewein
So it might show a little bit of ah a head in the current NHL standings because I think they're ahead of the Predators, but the Predators are just playing abysmal. um
00:35:05
Lando
Yeah.
00:35:06
Leo Ernewein
You know, they're path like do you think the Flames have a ah decent path to the playoffs if they can keep this up or...
00:35:12
Lando
No, they don't.
00:35:12
Leo Ernewein
you know, is it sort of going to be playing with not house money, but above what their expectations are.
00:35:13
Lando
No.
00:35:20
Leo Ernewein
And, and then you get a higher pick in the draft and and you kind of, you're, you play in middle of the pack and you're going nowhere.
00:35:20
Lando
Yeah.
00:35:23
Lando
Yeah.
00:35:27
Leo Ernewein
Right. So, yeah, I, I kind of agree with that as well.
00:35:27
Lando
Yeah. Well.
00:35:31
Leo Ernewein
I, I don't know. I don't think that they should be making a playoff push, but at the same time, you got to sell tickets and, uh,
00:35:39
Lando
Yeah.
00:35:42
Leo Ernewein
You know, it's it's a tough go. Like, I'll give you an example. There was there was something in basketball last week where in Sacramento, ah a guy named Zach Levine was playing and a fan cussed him out who was like courtside.
00:35:55
Leo Ernewein
And he said, hey, we don't watch you we don't pay money to watch you not play defense. And the guy told the NBA player, told the fan to go home because he didn't plan on playing defense.
00:36:06
Leo Ernewein
And I was just like, come on, man. Like, You can't, it's it's a tough walk, it's a tough balance to want to, as an organization, to want to get a top pick and rebuild and retool and all that sort of stuff while still being, while still looking competitive at least.
00:36:24
Leo Ernewein
And, you know, like, I just, I felt for that fan when he said that because he later voiced on social so media that, you know, hey, we're in the fourth quarter. of The player I was calling out had eight points, and, you know, he was three for 15 from the field goal, or from three-point line, like, just shooting terribly.
00:36:42
Leo Ernewein
And so I know it's not really hockey-related, but i just I just thought it was hilarious to to kind of bring that up, that the guy told him to go home because he wasn't planning on playing any defense.
00:36:54
Leo Ernewein
Oh, that's great.
00:36:55
Lando
Oh, man, that's that just shows you that you're, um what's the word I'm looking for, that you're you're too big for your bridges.
00:37:05
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, <unk>ve I've lost... I shouldn't say I was a fan of Zach Lafine when he was in Chicago as a basketball player, but he he made one dunk contest and he could jump. He was a decent scorer kind of guy, but to see that he's basically stealing money from the Sacramento Kings because he's not playing well at all, at you know it could be it could be tough. He could be getting messages from the organization saying, hey, man, we won a top three pick this year. We're tanking and like immediately...
00:37:34
Leo Ernewein
I think the the Sacramento Kings are going to move to Las Vegas, but that's a story for another day. um
00:37:38
Lando
Yes. But, yeah, but anyways, really quick on the Flames.
00:37:40
Leo Ernewein
We'll jump out to... Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Linda.
00:37:45
Lando
um I think the big the biggest problem with Calgary is the lack of goal scoring is starting to show.
00:37:45
Leo Ernewein
Yep.
00:37:54
Leo Ernewein
Mm-hmm.
00:37:54
Lando
i mean, guys last year were playing, i mean, we mentioned this in our in our season opener, that guys were playing ah way above their heads last year, and they're not doing that this year.
00:38:06
Lando
um and they're putting all their eggs in a basket into a young goalie in Wolf, and he's playing horrible. And so the they're dealt with their with what they're dealt. And, you know, the other thing too is they've never been able to replace Matthew Goudreau, or Johnny Goudreau, sorry, and Matthew Kachuk. They haven't been able to replace that.
00:38:30
Lando
And they scored a lot of goals. that that And so when you don't... when you can't replace those guys and you trade them away and you're hoping that Huberto could continue with with what he was doing, but he has not been the same player since he got his 50 goals.
00:38:47
Lando
So, I mean, in in Calgary, I think the biggest problem is, is they they don't have any guys, any finishers. And so they have to work so darn hard to, um,
00:38:59
Lando
to try to score that it's, yeah, it's try to create offense.
00:38:59
Leo Ernewein
to create that offense. Yeah.
00:39:03
Lando
But, I mean, Calgary's got some, you know, they're, they've got some upsides. So, at least, at least i think.
00:39:10
Leo Ernewein
Hey, man, Devin Cooley's been playing better than Dustin Wolf.
00:39:12
Lando
Anyways.
00:39:13
Leo Ernewein
It doesn't doesn't help that you get no shine by your backup.
00:39:13
Lando
Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah, not good.
00:39:19
Leo Ernewein
No, but Joel Faraby's been playing pretty well. he's been He's been picking up some of the offensive flack.
00:39:22
Lando
Yep. Frost as well. Yep.
00:39:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:39:24
Lando
Yep.
00:39:25
Leo Ernewein
And then Huberto with that 50 goal season, I feel like he's so far from that that I forgot it happened. You know, like it's.
00:39:32
Lando
When it's shocking to actually see him actually that he actually did that with the Florida Panthers, like, ah right. But yeah, it bizarre. and And, you know, the other thing too, is I'm glad Craig Conroy, Don Maloney, Dave Nones, and I forgot the other guy's name, but anyways, they, ah they all got contract extensions.
00:39:42
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:54
Lando
The ownership thinks that what they're doing is the right path, which is great. I mean, that's good. But I, one of the things going back to Huberdo, is when tree living was there is the prob what how as an owner would you be would you be willing to pay around a 30 year old forward almost 10 million dollars how could you even allow
00:40:18
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, it's insane. And now now that guy's running the Maple Leafs and we're wondering what's happening there.
00:40:23
Lando
yeah exactly yeah yeah so anyways just yeah so
00:40:24
Leo Ernewein
It's hell of a Brad true living, isn't it?
00:40:28
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:40:31
Lando
Flame fans, be patient. That's all I got to say.
00:40:35
Leo Ernewein
Be patient. And what does the slogan go? Garbage for Gavin.
00:40:41
Lando
Yep.
00:40:42
Lando
Former medicine at Tiger, man. Let me tell you.
00:40:42
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:40:45
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:40:45
Lando
That's exciting.
00:40:46
Leo Ernewein
All right, well, let's zoom out of the league as a whole, and we'll do some early midseason analysis time, who's hot and who's not.
Avalanche's Strong Season Start
00:40:53
Leo Ernewein
Most of the central division, and I say most, is ice cold. Predators, Blues, Blackhawks, Mammoth, Jets, all fall under 500 in their last 10 games.
00:41:03
Leo Ernewein
Is this the weakest division in hockey right now, Landon?
00:41:07
Lando
Well, I thought it was the strongest and not anymore. i i mean, colorado Colorado and Dallas are by far the best two teams in the league right now.
00:41:12
Leo Ernewein
I thought so, too.
00:41:20
Leo Ernewein
yeah Yeah, definitely.
00:41:21
Lando
There's not not even close. And, i mean, Colorado right now, as of tonight, or when we're recording this on Tuesday, December second They are 18-1-6.
00:41:35
Lando
and six So Colorado has only lost once in regulation. The other seven six losses, they've lost either in overtime or a shootout.
00:41:47
Lando
And they've won 10 in a row. Last game they played against Montreal at home, they wore the Nordique jerseys. They smoked Montreal 7-2.
00:41:59
Lando
And, like, it's amazing in Colorado how Landis Cog and Burns and the leadership on that team is showing.
00:42:11
Lando
And how much Landis Cog was missed on the team.
00:42:13
Leo Ernewein
Hello?
00:42:14
Lando
Like, I agree with a lot of analysts and a lot of other guys are on podcasts.
00:42:17
Leo Ernewein
Hello?
00:42:18
Lando
They said if Landis Cog was healthy, just imagine if Colorado probably could have won another cup already.
00:42:20
Leo Ernewein
Landon?
00:42:24
Leo Ernewein
You cut out right there, bud. It's amazing if Landeskog and
00:42:27
Lando
Oh, I'll re-say it. not sure what's going on here. Oh, there we go. um Sorry, I'll re-say this again. It's amazing what happens when Landis Cog and Burns and the leadership group on that team is, you know, they are, they're helping the team win. And it's amazing how much Landis Cog was missed on the team the last couple years for the Colorado Avalanche.
00:42:59
Lando
And, the they could have won another Stanley Cup again very easily. so I mean, Colorado is definitely a class of the league right now. And they're doing it with a pretty good duo in Netton, Wedgwood, and Blackwood.
00:43:17
Lando
I mean, as a fan of the Colorado Avalanche, as you know, Leo and all of our fans who are listening to me, or us, sorry, that are fans of our podcast, they know I'm an Avalanche fan. I am over the moon with how good they are this year. But I don't want them to win the President's Trophy because that trophy is a curse.
00:43:38
Leo Ernewein
Why do you think it's a curse there, Landon?
00:43:40
Lando
Because nobody, every single team who's won this thing has either bounced out of the first round or second round and they've never won the Stanley Cup. The only team that did that, it was the 2013 winners.
00:43:58
Lando
It was the Chicago Blackhawks. They're the only team so far that have won that won the present trophy that have won the Stanley Cup.
00:44:00
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:44:05
Lando
And um so i I don't want them to win the President's Trophy because it it'll it's just like too much pressure on them to to win. But the Dallas Stars, man, my goodness, they're good too.
00:44:18
Leo Ernewein
well
00:44:19
Lando
oh
00:44:20
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, they've been playing some good hockey too.
00:44:22
Lando
Oh, white wyatt johnston should Wyatt Johnston should be on Team Canada.
00:44:23
Leo Ernewein
I think... Oh, sorry, go ahead.
00:44:28
Lando
I know in our one of our segments, we are going to be talking about um who should be in and who shouldn't be. But Wyatt Johnston should be on Team Canada.
00:44:36
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:44:37
Lando
My goodness.
00:44:38
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, I agree.
00:44:39
Lando
Like, unreal. And unfortunately,
00:44:42
Leo Ernewein
i love the Stars. They've just got a good good overall roster, good locker room culture.
00:44:48
Lando
they do.
00:44:48
Leo Ernewein
Well, besides that DeBoer and DeBrusque thing, but now that DeBoer's gone, or not DeBoer and DeBrusque, DeBoer and Ottinger thing, and now that DeBoer's gone, they won't they won't have to worry about that.
00:44:56
Lando
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:00
Leo Ernewein
Or at least hopefully we'll see when playoff time comes and if Jake gets yanked again.
00:45:00
Lando
No, an an
00:45:03
Lando
and they've got a good yeah yeah and they've got they've got a good mix of veterans and
00:45:10
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:45:10
Lando
young players on their team i mean
00:45:12
Leo Ernewein
If the Avalanche and Stars aren't the Western Conference Final, I'm going to rage on.
00:45:18
Lando
Well, here's the problem. They're probably going to run into each other at least once before the Western Conference Final.
00:45:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, I think so.
00:45:24
Lando
That's that that's the unfortunate part. And and again...
00:45:27
Leo Ernewein
i think that is being in the same division. I think you're right.
00:45:30
Lando
Oh, and it's – and I like both teams. I'm a big fan of both teams. I like the Dallas Stars too. and ah And the reason why I like the Dallas Stars is because they trounced the Oilers number of times in the 90s.
00:45:44
Lando
And that's why I like them is because they beat the Edmonton Oilers every year they played each other. So, sorry to all the fans.
00:45:52
Leo Ernewein
Well, no youre fit we'll jump over to the Capitals here. They've right in the ship with a 7-2-1 stretch in their last 10. Ovechkin and Jacob Chitrin leading the way. Are the Caps back at it as legit contenders?
00:46:07
Lando
Yep, I do. And they've got a goalie, Loken Thompson. I mean, and Tom Wilson.
00:46:12
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:46:14
Lando
He is a tank. oh
00:46:17
Leo Ernewein
Tom Wilson might even make that roster too, and we or we'll
00:46:19
Lando
He should. Oh, I hope he does.
00:46:20
Leo Ernewein
Canada roster, we'll be talking about that in a bit.
00:46:21
Lando
Yeah, they, yeah, they, I hope he makes the team too.
00:46:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:46:26
Lando
And he should.
00:46:26
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:46:27
Lando
He's having an unbelievable
Capitals' Performance Boost
00:46:28
Lando
year. But, you know, Alex Ovechkin is very lucky because I think, Washington managed to um retool their roster on the fly.
00:46:40
Leo Ernewein
On the fly. Yeah.
00:46:42
Lando
And they've got some good draft picks. And it also helps when when you have the Hershey Bears as your farm team, right?
00:46:53
Lando
Because Hershey's always in it for the Calder Cup. But they're they're...
00:46:56
Leo Ernewein
Yes, you've been dominant the last couple of years.
00:46:59
Lando
Yeah. And so they... um they they They draft well, they develop well, they scout well, and it's showing. in washington and And I think whenever Alex Ovechkin retires, Washington, I think, is still going to be A-OK.
00:47:20
Leo Ernewein
So are you surprised that Washington's kind of right in the ship lately?
00:47:23
Lando
No, I'm not.
00:47:24
Leo Ernewein
Or are you sort of, yeah, you think it's
00:47:24
Lando
No.
00:47:26
Leo Ernewein
It's only a matter of time.
00:47:28
Lando
Yeah, no.
00:47:28
Leo Ernewein
What about Philly? They've been kind of a surprise to me. They've been growing up wins and stout defense. Trevor Zegers thriving after that trade from the Ducks. Are you buying Flyer stock as a real playoff team this year?
00:47:40
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, Luke.
00:47:40
Lando
Yeah, I am. I think they're they're taking a big step. And I think Rick Tockett being on the team too, I think that's really helped too. i think I think they've made some good roster moves and they've got some good players. I think they're doing everything right. um I think Danny Breer has, you know, assembled a good roster and a annna an created a nice culture in Philadelphia. I think they're going to be...
00:48:08
Lando
Just fine, man. And they've got goaltenders like Erickson and... or erison and um Oh, I've lost his name now. Vladar, sorry.
00:48:18
Lando
and
00:48:19
Leo Ernewein
Oh, Dan Rodar, the former Flame, yeah.
00:48:20
Lando
Yeah.
00:48:21
Leo Ernewein
He's been playing on top of his head
00:48:22
Lando
Yeah. Yeah. So when you have those two guys um as your goalies and they're playing really, really well, it's it's showing and it's it's nice because I, again, i like Philadelphia.
00:48:24
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:48:36
Lando
i've I've always kind of had a a little soft spot for the Philadelphia Flyers and I kind of became a little bit of a fan of theirs when they had Mike Richards and Jeff Carter there and Simone Gagné.
00:48:47
Leo Ernewein
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, Simone Gagnon was awesome.
00:48:52
Lando
Yeah, so...
00:48:53
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:48:54
Lando
Boy, that's bringing you back a little bit, huh?
00:48:56
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, it is, isn't it? I remember watching guys like Mike Ricci.
00:48:58
Lando
So...
00:49:02
Leo Ernewein
I'm pretty sure Ricci played for the Flyers.
00:49:03
Lando
Oh, Mark Reckie, you mean.
00:49:04
Leo Ernewein
Wayne Primo, Mark Recky, that's it. Mark Recky and Wayne Primo. And I think Chris Pronger was on that team too.
00:49:11
Lando
Keith Primo.
00:49:15
Lando
Yep. Yeah, keith pre Keith...
00:49:16
Leo Ernewein
Pretty sure he was.
00:49:17
Lando
Well, they... I mean, you look at Philadelphia, their history...
00:49:18
Leo Ernewein
Was it Keith Primo and not Wayne? Wayne's his son then, right?
00:49:22
Lando
Wayne, no, Wayne Primo is a brother.
00:49:26
Leo Ernewein
His, his brother. Okay. And then Caden was one of the sons.
00:49:27
Lando
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:29
Leo Ernewein
I don't know, man. I am getting confused.
00:49:30
Lando
Yeah. Well, it was Keith Primo who played for Philly.
00:49:33
Leo Ernewein
It was Keith Primo that was the centerman.
00:49:34
Lando
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:35
Leo Ernewein
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:37
Lando
So,
00:49:37
Leo Ernewein
yeah There was some, some, some fun big teams to watch, but, uh,
00:49:40
Lando
yeah. But, but yeah, to to answer your question, um I'm not worried about Philly. I think though they're going to be in the mix for sure.
00:49:48
Leo Ernewein
Okay, um one more hot team before I jump into the cold ones. Tampa Bay, they've been rebounding big time. Vash Goleski back in form, Kucherov rolling.
00:49:58
Leo Ernewein
And the guys that they're playing with on defense, you know, without Victor Hedman and stuff like that, and no Braden Point either on offense, everybody's stepping up for them well. it Credit to John Cooper and his coaching staff.
00:50:12
Leo Ernewein
Are they the scariest team in the East again?
00:50:14
Lando
Yes, they are. And I like the Lightning.
00:50:15
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:17
Lando
I think, I mean, they've had so many injuries too, the Lightning, and yet they keep rolling. And they had an awful start. Like I thought, i thought oh man, because in my hockey pool I have Hagel, I have Kucherov, and I have Point.
00:50:37
Lando
And they start, all three of them, started absolutely horrendous. And I'm like, oh this is going long year for me.
00:50:43
Leo Ernewein
Mm-hmm.
00:50:46
Lando
Wrong picks. But anyways, they've they've turned it around. But um John Cooper, I think, he credit to his coaching abilities, it just shows you in Tampa Bay how much they like playing for him, right?
00:50:59
Lando
How much they they play they play hard for him.
00:50:59
Leo Ernewein
a
00:51:02
Lando
they They like him. You can tell. they all at All four lines, sixty they play hard for him. it's And it's really it really shows. and And what's what's really interesting with the Lightning this year is Braden Point is excuse me is having ah an off year, and yet he's still managing – to theyre or the The team is still managing to win, and that's amazing. and and you know They were missing Nick Paul. He's back. so It's really interesting to see how Tampa Bay has really come come um come up. and It's kind of funny because I think the tide the tide has shifted north from Sunrise, which is Miami, to now Tampa. and It's flip-flopped, basically.
00:51:55
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, it's, some you know, they just continue to impress that that organization from the top down seems to be the epitome, in my opinion, of of what to strive for when you're setting up your organization kind of thing. Like, yeah, just just class acts all around and and really good hockey, next man up mentality when players are getting hurt.
00:52:20
Leo Ernewein
Some of the teams that have kind of... Disappointed me this year, though, Lando, I guess, well, basically most of the Canadian teams that we already talked about. um any Any teams that you are surprised off their record so far this year that aren't Canadian?
00:52:37
Lando
Well, I'm surprised about Nashville. i am
00:52:40
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:42
Lando
Nashville is... i get what Barry Trotz was doing. i get I get what he was trying to do. He thought, okay, we have a good good enough roster.
00:52:53
Lando
All I need is two or three players to get me over the hump, and that's all I need. Well, the guys that they got, I think, were a little bit past their prime. Like Stamkos, he's never been the same since he left Tampa. Marcia So has never been the same since he left Vegas.
00:53:10
Lando
And Brady...
00:53:13
Leo Ernewein
I'd argue Tamler's Stamkos hasn't been the same since he broke his leg.
00:53:13
Lando
and brady
00:53:17
Lando
That too. And so i think Nashville is another organization that I think, I hate saying it, but they need to rebuild and retool what they're doing too.
00:53:30
Lando
But I think at the same time though too, i think... I think the guys that they have on their team isn't working under Andrew Burnett. And I i actually am surprised Andrew Burnett still has a job.
00:53:43
Lando
Because i I...
00:53:44
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, me too.
00:53:45
Lando
Right? I don't know. I get what Barry Trotz is doing because he was a former coach. He doesn't want to...
00:53:50
Leo Ernewein
Barry Trotz was awesome.
00:53:52
Lando
He was good. I mean, he... he i mean, he made... they he may
00:53:55
Leo Ernewein
He kept the team there for years, didn't he?
00:53:58
Lando
For many years, yeah.
00:53:59
Lando
So i get I get he doesn't want to fire somebody because he used to be a coach, but I think as an organization, I think you need to try to turn this ship around a little bit. So...
00:53:59
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:54:10
Lando
um
00:54:10
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, for me, um my roommate once told me that the Predators are a hockey graveyard for um players on the tail end of their career. It's like an early retirement home.
00:54:25
Leo Ernewein
And he's he's like, oh, it's been like that for the last five to ten years, is what he said. And after seeing Stanco's move there and seeing his performance and Marcia Sow too after...
00:54:36
Leo Ernewein
After Vegas and then Florida. Or sorry, Florida then Vegas. Yeah. just Was it Florida then Vegas?
00:54:45
Lando
Yeah.
00:54:45
Leo Ernewein
think it was. Yeah. um Just, a you know, kind of staples that into my mind a little bit. um Yeah, do you want to jump onto the Team in Canada Olympic roster here as we're probably approaching the 55th minute of the episode?
00:54:59
Lando
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. no
00:55:03
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:55:03
Lando
Time is flying by when you start having fun, right?
00:55:04
Leo Ernewein
yeah
00:55:06
Leo Ernewein
I know, right? Last topic of the day, Team Canada with the Milano-Cortino Olympics coming up.
Team Canada Olympic Roster Politics
00:55:13
Leo Ernewein
Rosters have to be finalized by the end of the month here of December. Canada's brass has some tough calls to make.
00:55:19
Leo Ernewein
Landon, who would be on your roster?
00:55:23
Lando
Well, we have six...
00:55:24
Leo Ernewein
You don't to look like all oh guys. Just give me some names that you might think would make it
00:55:29
Lando
Okay, well, the six guys that are... So for people who don't know, the Hockey Canada has already sent to the WAHF that these six players, unless they get hurt from now till Olympic time, they' they are a lock in on Team Canada, and that is Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid,
00:55:40
Leo Ernewein
Right.
00:55:53
Lando
Nathan McKinnon, Kael McCarr, <unk>s Sam Reinhardt, and am I missing... Oh, Braden Point. And so those are the the... Yeah, so those are the six guys that are locks.
00:56:07
Lando
Now they have to pick the rest of them. And then so my three goalies are Biddington, Thompson, and Scott Wedgwood.
00:56:20
Lando
Those are my three. And I know...
00:56:21
Leo Ernewein
Okay, let's let's stop here on the goalies first because I want to ask you this.
00:56:24
Lando
okay okay
00:56:25
Leo Ernewein
I've read somewhere that Logan Thompson, you know, he's one of the best Canadian goalies out there right now, but some reports say he might be blacklisted by Hockey Canada because of his past with Vegas with coaches like Bruce Cassidy and and Pete DeBoer who are now assistants on the team.
00:56:42
Leo Ernewein
Do you think politics are keeping him off the roster at all or you have him on there?
00:56:45
Lando
i well The thing is, i after seeing what Pete DeBoer does with Jake Ottinger, don't believe him. hu
00:56:55
Leo Ernewein
You don't take his with the great assault kind of thing.
00:56:56
Lando
No. No.
00:56:58
Leo Ernewein
Take his recommendations at least for goalies.
00:56:58
Lando
i After what he just yeah after what you just did with Jake Ottinger last year, I'm starting to believe that he just doesn't understand goaltending.
00:57:00
Leo Ernewein
A
00:57:07
Lando
But, yeah.
00:57:07
Leo Ernewein
ah goalie killer.
00:57:09
Lando
But, I mean, Aiden Hill has been injured for most of the season, so you can't even go to him. I guess you could say if you really wanted to, Darcy Kemper could be in there, maybe.
00:57:16
Leo Ernewein
Right.
00:57:22
Lando
i don't know. um
00:57:25
Lando
like it's that i to answer your question, i i don't i think I think he got blacklisted because i don't think that that he got along with Bruce and... and And his other coach, but I think, I think you got to put the politics aside and you got to assemble what is the best goaltender that goaltending that you can take to um Italy with. And, and right now Logan Thompson's it.
00:57:56
Leo Ernewein
So who's your starter? Is that Thompson or is that Bennington?
00:57:59
Lando
I would say Bennington for right now because I think he's earned it from Four Nations.
00:58:02
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:58:03
Lando
But I think Thompson is the backup. And then it's going to be either Kemper or Wedgwood. One of those two.
00:58:10
Leo Ernewein
Don't you think his, uh, his place since four nations has kind of dipped though a little bit.
00:58:14
Lando
It has. But it also is the team in front of him with the St.
00:58:19
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:58:19
Lando
Louis Blues. They're also horrible too.
00:58:21
Leo Ernewein
That's true. It doesn't help. when Yeah.
00:58:24
Lando
yeah
00:58:24
Leo Ernewein
When your team's kind of on the bottom half the scoreboard most of the time. Okay, well, let's jump to defensemen here then. Jacob Chitrin leading all defensemen in goals. Playing like an elite two-way hockey player right now.
00:58:35
Leo Ernewein
Is he a lock on side alongside Cale McCart?
00:58:38
Lando
Yep. I think the other guys that are locks, um, are Devontae's, Shea Theodore.
00:58:45
Leo Ernewein
Okay.
00:58:47
Lando
Um, I think Thomas Harley as well.
00:58:48
Leo Ernewein
Yep.
00:58:50
Lando
Um,
00:58:51
Leo Ernewein
Taves will probably play alongside Makara, I guess, right? Like being the third teammates stuff like that.
00:58:54
Lando
yeah, yeah. Devontae's. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:56
Leo Ernewein
So Jay Theodore, who was the second one that you mentioned, sorry?
00:59:00
Lando
Uh, Thomas Harley.
00:59:01
Leo Ernewein
Thomas Harley, yeah.
00:59:03
Lando
And you said Jacob Chikorin. um
00:59:05
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
00:59:07
Lando
i I don't believe Evan Bouchard has played good enough to be on the team either. So I think, I think I still think Travis Sanheim deserves to be on the roster again.
00:59:18
Lando
And I think Colton Franco still too.
00:59:21
Leo Ernewein
What about um matt Matthew Schaefer? Too early?
00:59:26
Lando
um I think he would be lock on the next Olympics. I think he's a little too young, even though.
00:59:31
Leo Ernewein
Okay. um
00:59:34
Lando
even though it's a it's a thought Even though it's a thought, but yeah, it's too young.
00:59:34
Leo Ernewein
Sorry, you go
00:59:40
Leo Ernewein
ahead. Real quick, just back to goalies here, because I'm just reading this. You mentioned Mackenzie Blackwood and Scott Wedgwood. Do you think any of them would crack your lineup based off their play so far this year?
00:59:49
Lando
Wedgwood would.
00:59:51
Leo Ernewein
Yeah?
00:59:52
Lando
Hmm.
00:59:52
Leo Ernewein
Okay, cool. um Now I'm going to jump to some forwards here. Macklin Celebrini, probably a lock, 40 points, second in the and NHL, just behind McKinnon.
01:00:04
Leo Ernewein
He's obviously forced his way over Conor Bedard, but do you take both?
01:00:09
Lando
Oh, man. See, you know, I've been thinking about that the last little bit about who you would take. I would actually take both. They're both playing really well.
01:00:18
Leo Ernewein
Me too. And and with for me, Olympic-sized ice, I want both. And we'll talk a little bit about the ice after because, you know, it might not be exactly Olympic-sized, but we'll get to that here.
01:00:32
Lando
Yeah.
01:00:33
Leo Ernewein
um But that was my argument going into it before I read that was like, oh I love Olympic hockey for the size of the ice. and And for me, when I build a team, I want guys some guys at least – some high end guys that are fast and can play at that level because I feel like the physicality is less because of that open ice. And it allows for those guys to, to play a bit more of their brand of hockey and shine. And I really like to see it.
01:01:03
Lando
Agreed.
01:01:04
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. So we'll jump over to Tom Wilson here.
01:01:05
Lando
I absolutely agreed.
01:01:07
Leo Ernewein
He's averaging just over a point per game on pace for 50 goals. Is he more than just a grit pick now?
01:01:15
Lando
he's he's a lock in my opinion. and I mean, he's the reason why Washington's doing really well too, right?
01:01:18
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:21
Lando
I mean, the guy's a beast. He can skate, he can score, he can kill penalties, he can rough it up when you need to. Like, when you when you have to play against teams like, um I can't remember who Canada's division, and who they have in their division, but when you have...
01:01:40
Lando
When you have to go up against some gritty teams like maybe Slovakia or the Czech Republic or even Germany, you need guys like him. You do. And he can and he's not going to kill you. he He can hold his own out there. So I i think he's on the team.
01:01:58
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, 65 days, 17 hours, four minutes and six seconds out as of the Olympic website right now.
01:02:03
Lando
but
01:02:05
Leo Ernewein
I'm just trying to find Canada's grouping to see if I can answer that question, but I'm not having much luck. um
01:02:14
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, that's, I guess we'll move on. um Yeah, what about other players? You know, guys like, ah obviously, Wyatt Johnson you have in. John Tavares, is he going to be in?
01:02:23
Lando
Yep.
01:02:25
Leo Ernewein
Bo Horvat?
01:02:25
Lando
No.
01:02:25
Leo Ernewein
Any of those guys?
01:02:27
Lando
um No.
01:02:29
Leo Ernewein
No, eh?
01:02:30
Lando
No.
01:02:30
Leo Ernewein
What about diamond any other surprises that you put in on the roster?
01:02:33
Lando
i Well, I think Brandon Hagel's in.
01:02:36
Leo Ernewein
Okay.
01:02:36
Lando
um I think – who else was I going to say that should be in? um Gosh, there's so many players. Ha, ha, ha.
01:02:49
Lando
Oh, the other the other guy that I thought of, too, um as a defenseman possibility, too, is Drew Dowdy, as well. I forgot about him.
01:02:57
Leo Ernewein
Oh, I love Drew Gowdy on team game.
01:02:58
Lando
Yeah, I forgot.
01:02:59
Leo Ernewein
He's just going to staple as part of that.
01:02:59
Lando
I think he should... Oh.
01:03:02
Leo Ernewein
Even if it's just for locker room presence and he's constantly a scratch, I don't care.
01:03:05
Lando
Yes. Why? But he...
01:03:07
Leo Ernewein
want him on my team in the locker room.
01:03:09
Lando
He is such a steady Eddie. like And when he played with Harley, my goodness, that they look good.
01:03:12
Leo Ernewein
looking
01:03:15
Lando
But I think Mark Shifley should be on the team this time.
01:03:23
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, he's good.
01:03:23
Lando
um I think also Sam Bennett still should be on the team.
01:03:28
Leo Ernewein
You think Sam Bennett, cause I was gonna say he's been struggling, especially early in the year and...
01:03:33
Lando
Well, but Florida's struggled too, right? They've they haven't they've they've they've definitely got this the double Stanley Cup hangover.
01:03:36
Leo Ernewein
That's true.
01:03:42
Lando
the other guy that i the other guy that i think The other guy that I think should be on the team still, and he's still a gamer, and we talked about him, was Brad Marchand.
01:03:42
Leo Ernewein
What about... Yeah, go ahead.
01:03:54
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, yeah, Marchand has to make the lineup. Does that leave room?
01:03:57
Lando
And Nick Suzuki too from Montreal.
01:04:00
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, and well, Nick Suzuki's been carrying the Canadiens right now for sure.
01:04:03
Lando
Yeah.
01:04:04
Leo Ernewein
Does that leave room for a guy like Travis Konechny, though?
01:04:09
Lando
Unfortunately, no. um The other guy that I just thought of, too, was Seth Jarvis, too.
01:04:15
Leo Ernewein
Seth Jarvis just had, a like, what, three or four goals in a Canes 5-1 win over who they beat?
01:04:20
Lando
Yep. Like, he's just phenomenal hockey player.
01:04:22
Leo Ernewein
I think it was Montreal. No, it was Winnipeg.
01:04:24
Lando
But, boy, oh, boy, do they they have some tough, tough picks to pick from this year, right? I mean...
01:04:32
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, even the goalies part is tough, right?
01:04:32
Lando
They've got – well, mean, it it it's shocking to see a country like ours having such goaltending issues now, right?
01:04:35
Leo Ernewein
Like.
01:04:43
Lando
Who would have thought? where Where we look at our neighbors to the south, I mean, they could probably have eight goalies in their roster and they would all be fine.
01:04:44
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
01:04:52
Leo Ernewein
I know that they would start over on over ours. Yeah.
01:04:56
Lando
Yeah, so –
01:04:56
Leo Ernewein
It's a total flip of the script, right?
01:04:58
Lando
Yeah, same with Sweden.
01:04:59
Leo Ernewein
um
01:05:00
Lando
it's same with sweden They're the same in the same boat.
01:05:03
Leo Ernewein
Oh, with Jesper Weldstadt, man. Like, oh, God.
01:05:06
Lando
Oh, I know. and And Markstrom is still doing well.
01:05:09
Leo Ernewein
Yeah.
01:05:09
Lando
All Mark, like, man, oh, man. Yeah.
01:05:12
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, I'm jelly. Jelly for sure. But before we wrap up the Olympic talk, I just want to mention the elephant in the room, the Santa Julia Ice Hockey Arena in Milan.
Milan Olympic Venue Concerns
01:05:22
Leo Ernewein
It's supposed to be the primary venue for both the women's and women's tournaments, but it's not even finished yet. And as we mentioned, 65 days out, a test event scheduled for January had to be canceled, and the organizers admitted there is no plan B if that arena isn't ready.
01:05:38
Leo Ernewein
What are your thoughts on that there, Landon?
01:05:40
Lando
They've had four years me Four plus years to figure this out. And in in my opinion, I talked about this with a few people. I said to them, how is it possible that when you got picked by the IIHF or the Olympic Committee, sorry, to be the Olympic hosts, this should have been the first building besides the opening it opening and closing ceremonies building. This should have been the first building should have been built.
01:06:12
Lando
not the last. And, and it is, it is shocking to hear that, you know, the Olympic community so badly wanted NHL players at the Olympics so bad because it's to grow the sport and yet they can't get their billing correct.
01:06:14
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, it's insane. Well,
01:06:32
Lando
Like it's, it's unreal. And I understand
01:06:34
Leo Ernewein
nobody watches Olympic hockey without NHL players, right? Like it's it's a far watered down product compared.
01:06:37
Lando
exactly. And, and so, Yeah, and and i get I get Italy isn't the quote-unquote quotation marks, the hockey nation.
01:06:41
Leo Ernewein
so
01:06:49
Leo Ernewein
hockey mecca yeah
01:06:53
Lando
It's mostly soccer. But at the same time, you're an Olympic host. You should get this right.
01:07:01
Leo Ernewein
it's funny because in soccer they can't even qualify their national team for like the last three world cups so ah somebody said in the comments when i was reading the article they're like oh no
01:07:04
Lando
I know. That's another story.
01:07:11
Leo Ernewein
surprise an Italian federation is behind on scheduling and having engineering issues who would have guessed like this is just I thought that was kind of funny um the women's tournament tournament starts on February 6th or 5th sorry six days before the men's they're gonna feel the brunt of any issues before it though um in the past Olympic test events were held you know almost a year or more in advance and now they're scrambling just weeks before the puck drops so almost two months I guess but
01:07:11
Lando
you
01:07:41
Leo Ernewein
Still, that does rain raise some alarm bells for both me and you, I guess. It's not just about the ice surface, though. Sometimes it can be about washrooms, concessions, basic infrastructure.
01:07:52
Leo Ernewein
you think the NHL and PWHL players who are used to pro-level standards will struggle with this, Landon?
01:07:58
Lando
I think they will. Yeah. But then I think it's only, i think, excuse me.
01:08:01
Leo Ernewein
And then, go ahead.
01:08:04
Lando
I think, I think it's also going to be, um i think they'll also just look at it. Okay. It's just a week and a half. Let's just get it. Not necessarily get it over with, but let's just, we're here.
01:08:20
Lando
Where in the Olympics, I think we can bear the brunt of not having quote unquote the best facility for a week and a half.
01:08:29
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, and I mean, there's also the athletic village or the athlete village, 400 mobile home trailers, two athletes per room.
01:08:34
Lando
Yeah.
01:08:38
Leo Ernewein
Canada's athletes were only already told to expect a different dorm experience and that everything is not going to be perfect. Obviously, that'll impact their performance. some But yeah I guess that's just part of the Olympic grind nowadays.
01:08:51
Leo Ernewein
Organizers insist the arena will be ready, but time is slipping away. I'm not sure if I trust them. Do you think we could see chaos when the puck drops there, Landon?
01:09:00
Lando
I think so. I think there might be a little chaos with the Olympics, period. But I want to i want to throw this at you.
01:09:04
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, I don't think so too.
01:09:09
Leo Ernewein
Okay.
01:09:10
Lando
Italy italy has knew about this six years ago that they were going to be the Olympic hosts. So do you think that Italy will ever get the olympic Winter Olympics after this? Ever. Ever.
01:09:27
Leo Ernewein
Probably not. But ah and then again, money talks and there's lots of corruption in the Olympic Committee. So look, you know, I could say yes.
01:09:33
Lando
Yeah.
01:09:35
Leo Ernewein
And then something just completely baffles us that happens. But you know, like I even heard reports today that the ice surface might be smaller.
01:09:47
Leo Ernewein
And I was like, oh no, that's my favorite part about Olympic hockey is the large ice. And then as I was talking about it with my roommate, they mentioned that the ice surface might be smaller than NHL ice surfaces.
01:09:58
Leo Ernewein
And i was like, what are we doing here, guys? Like, come on.
01:10:01
Lando
yeah
01:10:03
Leo Ernewein
Just awful. Anything else you want to wrap up about the to the venue there, the Santa Julia arena?
01:10:10
Lando
Well, let's just hope that these are just rumors and that people are just doing the normal human thing and panicking before they actually see it. let's just Let's just hope.
01:10:21
Leo Ernewein
Yeah. Cross our fingers and pray, man.
Episode Conclusion & Acknowledgments
01:10:24
Leo Ernewein
That's going to do it for episode seven of the Leo and Lando show. We covered it all today from the early mid-season NHL surprises, Canadian teams struggling, refs controversies, and Olympic roster debates, and even the drama around the Milan venue. But hockey never sleeps, neither do the storylines. Big thanks to everyone for tuning in. Whether you're listening on your commute or at the gym or just hanging out at home, we appreciate you riding along with us each week.
01:10:49
Leo Ernewein
Landell will let you take it away from here. Drop your final words for the fans and a shout out.
01:10:54
Lando
All right. Well, I want to echo what what you just said, Leo. Thank you very much, everybody, for listening to us. I know we've got a pretty good fan base and we, I know i speak for Leo. We thank you so, so much for listening to us.
01:11:10
Lando
um We, we, Leo and I have fun doing this. We want to do it for all our friends and family. And we really appreciate you guys listening to us. But in my, my shout out today is going to be somebody who actually encouraged Leo and I to start this to begin with. And she not necessarily begged and pleaded, but she, uh,
01:11:36
Lando
She basically said, you two need to start something. So I want to shout out to Michelle LeFroy, Leo's mom today.
01:11:45
Leo Ernewein
ah That's cool. She'll love that one.
01:11:47
Lando
She will.
01:11:48
Leo Ernewein
That's awesome. Oh, Landon.
01:11:50
Lando
But, but yeah, oh, I'm still here. So, but anyways, yeah, no, I'm still here.
01:11:53
Leo Ernewein
Oh, okay.
01:11:56
Lando
Anyways, guys, thank you so much for listening and take care. Well, ah we got a couple of special episodes coming up here. So stay tuned.
01:12:06
Leo Ernewein
Yeah, definitely some special stuff planned and we hope you guys enjoy. the listen here we'll just kind of ramble on for about 20 more seconds while the music gets a little bit louder because it's uh well pre-timed out like this and I thought Landon might be going in a little bit longer so I cut the music and now I brought it back thanks for listening everyone
01:12:25
Lando
Nice. And take care, everybody.
01:12:33
Leo Ernewein
ah guess uh there we go let episode 7 baby That's a wrap.